| 00:00:03 | Hiraghm | Rolls on the desktop giggling like an idiot |
| 00:00:28 | | kernelwork: sorry... |
| 00:00:28 | kernelwork | ibot Windows |
| 00:00:29 | Hiraghm | when my bard in Everquest got a lambent helm, it hat big ugly batwings on it and I had him run through town shouting, "I am Batman!" |
| 00:00:36 | | Hiraghm: excuse me? |
| 00:00:36 | Hiraghm | heh. we're sorry too, Ibot |
| 00:00:41 | | ACTION thinks the party is getting out of hand |
| 00:00:41 | signal11 | ibot crack |
| 00:00:45 | jacques | there are some crazy finns who are making a fixed point 3d game engine |
| 00:00:51 | jacques | for ipaq and other pdas |
| 00:00:56 | jacques | it would run great on the tux |
| 00:01:12 | | yes, kernelwork? |
| 00:01:12 | kernelwork | ibot? |
| 00:01:15 | Hiraghm | anyway, another bard in town and I got into a shouting match "I'm batman!" ... "no, I'm batman!"... "you can't be batman, you don't have the hat!" |
| 00:01:24 | signal11 | i'm batmanuel |
| 00:01:28 | Hiraghm | well, there ya go jacques |
| 00:01:45 | Hiraghm | jacques are you a crazy finn? |
| 00:01:54 | jacques | they were on slashdot a while back, even released demos |
| 00:01:56 | jacques | hmmm |
| 00:02:00 | | OK, Hiraghm. |
| 00:02:00 | Hiraghm | ibot jacques is a crazy finn |
| 00:02:05 | | rumour has it jacques is a crazy finn |
| 00:02:05 | Hiraghm | ibot jacques |
| 00:02:06 | kernelwork | I'm a crazy... |
| 00:02:06 | jacques | i wonder if it would work on 8bit diplay |
| 00:02:10 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: a raycast engine for bz would be great everywhere! |
| 00:02:15 | | kernelwork is cool |
| 00:02:15 | kernelwork | ibot kernelwork |
| 00:02:32 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 8 hours, 13 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: beeblebrox: as he gets to fix it if it goes wrong, I believe him implicitly :-). [Tue Dec 18 15:49:13 2001] |
| 00:02:32 | jacques | ibot: seen jg |
| 00:03:05 | | I haven't seen 'aldrin', Hiraghm |
| 00:03:05 | Hiraghm | ibot seen aldrin |
| 00:03:10 | | I haven't seen 'Aldrin', Hiraghm |
| 00:03:10 | Hiraghm | ibot seen Aldrin |
| 00:03:10 | | i think kernelwork is when i am working on the kernel |
| 00:03:10 | BZFlag | ibot: kernelwork |
| 00:03:31 | | you are Batman |
| 00:03:31 | Hiraghm | ibot hiraghm |
| 00:03:36 | | kernelwork is when i am working on the kernel |
| 00:03:36 | kernelwork | ibot kernelwork |
| 00:03:36 | Hiraghm | darn straight |
| 00:03:38 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 00:03:43 | kernelwork | doh |
| 00:03:49 | CosmicPenguin | Geez..... /msg the bot if you want to play with him..... |
| 00:03:55 | BZFlag | hehe |
| 00:04:12 | kernelwork | sulks away... |
| 00:05:49 | Morn | I'm not sure this install of QTe is working well... |
| 00:05:52 | jacques | hi BZFlag how're things? |
| 00:05:55 | Morn | on my iPAQ |
| 00:06:05 | kernelwork | goes home... |
| 00:06:32 | Morn | is there a way to see if data is actually going across the serial port? |
| 00:07:21 | BZFlag | jacques: well we were having fun wit' the bot till CosmicPenguin got annoyed. ;-) |
| 00:08:01 | jacques | heh |
| 00:08:07 | BZFlag | Morn: cut the cable and see if any bits fall out. ;-) actually there are a number of break out boxes that have tx/rx leds. |
| 00:08:31 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Stick a printf on the serial driver (ack....) |
| 00:08:32 | Morn | I meant via linux |
| 00:08:33 | Hiraghm | Morn, don't do that! BZ is kidding! |
| 00:08:48 | Hiraghm | if you cut the cable and the bits fall into the carpet, they'll ruin your vacuum next time you sweep |
| 00:08:50 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: I wasn't annoyed..... |
| 00:08:50 | Morn | I just want to see if it is really downloading the kernel |
| 00:09:17 | Hiraghm | CosmicPenguin, yes you were |
| 00:09:22 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Maybe you need to straighten the cable? Those 1s have trouble making it around tight corners.... |
| 00:09:39 | Morn | gives up. |
| 00:09:44 | Hiraghm | comforts Morn |
| 00:10:33 | jacques | Morn: just go get batteries |
| 00:10:35 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: I'm just picking on ya. |
| 00:10:46 | | No luck, BZFlag |
| 00:10:46 | BZFlag | ibot insult CosmicPenguin |
| 00:10:51 | BZFlag | grins |
| 00:11:09 | jacques | anybody know much about ext3 ? |
| 00:11:23 | BZFlag | Morn: do you get dots? |
| 00:11:28 | Morn | yes |
| 00:11:36 | | microsoft is nothing but an elf-skinned mass of mammering Sun IPC manuals. |
| 00:11:36 | jacques | ibot: insult microsoft |
| 00:11:47 | jacques | how ironical |
| 00:12:08 | Morn | jacques: I use ext3 on one machine, but I'm no expert |
| 00:12:20 | CosmicPenguin | Wow... I'm uninsultable? |
| 00:12:41 | Hiraghm | mammering? |
| 00:12:50 | Morn | Tim: I just have like 10 rows of dots just downloading the kernel |
| 00:12:54 | | You are nothing but a tepid tongueful of fen-sucked eel ooze. |
| 00:12:54 | Hiraghm | ibot insult Hiraghm |
| 00:12:54 | Morn | seems excessive |
| 00:12:56 | jacques | Morn: someone told me that ext3 had a larger file size limit than ext2 - that didn't sound right to me |
| 00:13:09 | Hiraghm | do fen suck eel ooze? |
| 00:13:12 | CosmicPenguin | Wow... and fen sucked eel ooze is the worst too..... |
| 00:13:22 | Morn | jacques: I thought the filesize limit was imposed by the kernel not the filesystem? |
| 00:13:29 | Hiraghm | ibot is harsh |
| 00:13:45 | jacques | Morn: you are probably right - or by glibc |
| 00:13:46 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Can't have a 3G FAT file.... so there must be some filesystem limitations |
| 00:13:51 | BZFlag | morn zImage or vmlinux ? ie: how big is the kernel? |
| 00:14:22 | Russ|werk | busybox tar behaves *very* strangely |
| 00:14:24 | Morn | zImage 51k |
| 00:14:30 | Russ|werk | (in CVS) |
| 00:14:32 | AlHazWork | I had a 3gb fat32 drive |
| 00:14:36 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: FAT is just weird from the start |
| 00:14:42 | AlHazWork | a 3gb windows backup file |
| 00:14:53 | AlHazWork | turned out windows backup couldn't restore past the first 2gb |
| 00:14:55 | AlHazWork | real downer |
| 00:15:17 | BZFlag | morn filesize is the max of what the fs and the kernel will allow. |
| 00:15:31 | Morn | sorry the file is 517k |
| 00:15:38 | Morn | missed a number in there |
| 00:15:41 | BZFlag | er, the min... sorry |
| 00:16:08 | BZFlag | Morn: you should get like 90 dots or so (wild estimate) |
| 00:16:19 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: explain? |
| 00:16:33 | Morn | well with 80 chars per line I think 10 lines of dots exceeds that a small bit |
| 00:16:43 | BZFlag | Morn: I'd say. |
| 00:17:09 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: misses files |
| 00:17:22 | BZFlag | yeah? never seen that and I use it alot. |
| 00:17:34 | Morn | Tim: the machine makes a bunch of tones right after I try to start the upload and says hit enter to continue |
| 00:17:36 | Morn | is that right? |
| 00:17:54 | BZFlag | morn nope. |
| 00:18:06 | BZFlag | there should not be any tones. |
| 00:18:20 | BZFlag | right baud rate? |
| 00:18:36 | Morn | should be, I can interact with the bootloader |
| 00:18:50 | Russ|werk | scratch that, it just grabs the first file you give it |
| 00:18:54 | Russ|werk | and no otheres |
| 00:18:59 | Morn | ctrl-a s to send right? tag the file with space then hit return to send |
| 00:20:51 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: that's not right. ;-) what version? cvs? if so ping andersen. try on different filesystems? |
| 00:20:59 | BZFlag | Morn: no |
| 00:21:02 | Russ|werk | hmm.. found a workaround |
| 00:21:18 | Russ|werk | he said something about how I should use stable for now |
| 00:21:29 | BZFlag | Morn: you are talking to blob, the bootloader, yes? |
| 00:21:43 | BZFlag | if so then type "download kernel" |
| 00:21:45 | Morn | Tim: Bootloader, on the iPAQ |
| 00:21:50 | Russ|werk | my command is now |
| 00:21:50 | Hiraghm | question |
| 00:21:52 | Russ|werk | "cd /etc/configs ; tar -cf /proc/self/fd/1 -C . | gzip" |
| 00:22:02 | Hiraghm | cheap eyeglass display |
| 00:22:10 | BZFlag | Morn: ah, on the ipaq. perhaps you should ask on the ipaq channel? |
| 00:22:17 | Russ|werk | (handhelds.org) |
| 00:22:24 | Russ|werk | er (#handhelds.org) |
| 00:22:31 | Morn | Tim: just seemed a lot of people had them around here... |
| 00:22:35 | Morn | apologizes. |
| 00:22:57 | Hiraghm | pokes russ |
| 00:23:02 | Hiraghm | I didn't wanna go there 8c( |
| 00:23:04 | BZFlag | heh, no problem, it's just that asking here and I assume you are having tuxscreen trouble. |
| 00:25:46 | Hiraghm | you guys were talking about lcd displays the other day |
| 00:26:46 | Hiraghm | is there an inexpensive way to make an LCD display that can be hooked up to the external vga port of a notebook? |
| 00:27:55 | Hiraghm | like maybe a head-mounted display? |
| 00:28:07 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: a way, yes. inexpesive? not so far. |
| 00:28:18 | Hiraghm | darn |
| 00:28:28 | Hiraghm | inexpensive in this case == about $200 |
| 00:29:45 | Hiraghm | well, it looks like I'm going to periodically spend periods of time trapped in a car with a chihuahua nesting in my lap, and I was hoping there was a way I could use my notebook under the circumstances |
| 00:30:20 | AlHazWork | but the display isn't high enough contrast for outdoor use? |
| 00:30:21 | BZFlag | ibm viavoice? |
| 00:31:00 | Russ|werk | hey, cool, lineo and rh responded to that M$ whitepaper |
| 00:34:58 | collord | Russ: read the zdnet talkbacks... some are depressing |
| 00:42:09 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Lineo did a pretty good job..... The ./ers tore em apart, but thats just the opinion of a 14 year old..... |
| 00:45:08 | CosmicPenguin | bye all... see you later |
| 00:45:27 | CosmicPenguin | is away: I'm, gone... gone I tell you. Gone. |
| 01:02:42 | Morn | is away: watching a movie |
| 01:11:33 | Hiraghm | heh.. sorry, was on the other machine |
| 01:11:55 | Hiraghm | Al, with a chihuahua in my lap and a steering wheel not too far away, it's difficult to use an opened laptop |
| 01:20:00 | Hiraghm | waves near jeffrey |
| 01:28:10 | | No luck, jacques |
| 01:28:10 | jacques | ibot: insult WindowsXP |
| 01:29:03 | | windows is nothing but a flap-mouthed bucket of folly-fallen urine samples. |
| 01:29:04 | Hiraghm | ibot insult windows |
| 01:29:16 | Hiraghm | folly-fallen, no less |
| 01:30:54 | | XP is nothing but a gorbellied enema-bucketful of weasel-smelling bug spit. |
| 01:30:54 | jacques | ibot: insult XP |
| 01:31:03 | jacques | whoah |
| 02:04:23 | Russ | very odd |
| 02:04:31 | | WindowsXP is nothing but an horn-beat mass of plume-plucked fish heads. |
| 02:04:31 | Russ | ibot: insult WindowsXP |
| 02:04:38 | Russ | huh, odd |
| 02:04:46 | | You are nothing but an horn-beat ass-full of puking waffle-house grits. |
| 02:04:46 | Russ | ibot: insult me |
| 02:04:59 | | Russ again is nothing but an off-color stack of it-fowling eel ooze. |
| 02:04:59 | Hiraghm | ibot insult Russ again |
| 02:10:58 | Sammy | morning all |
| 02:11:08 | Hiraghm | waves near Sammy |
| 02:17:38 | Hiraghm | so |
| 02:17:42 | Hiraghm | sews |
| 02:42:52 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 02:54:50 | | Beamishwilly is nothing but an imp-bladdereddle-headed heap of antique armadillo snouts. |
| 02:54:50 | Hiraghm | ibot insult Beamishwilly |
| 02:55:02 | | Hiraghm: bitte |
| 02:55:02 | Hiraghm | ibot thanks |
| 06:46:37 | Keyser | funny news story: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers_pr.html |
| 07:40:02 | tomdacat | can someone help me with jtag programming? |
| 07:41:01 | andersee | tomdacat: start with specific questions -- you may get better results |
| 07:41:57 | tomdacat | ok, i have a jtag connector set up on the phone, and the reset command works, but i don't know exactly how to get anything on the phone |
| 07:42:13 | tomdacat | or what order to put things on |
| 07:45:41 | tomdacat | i used the flash utility from the jflash package, but i think i paperweighted my phone |
| 07:47:39 | andersee | If your jtag is working, then you can use jflash to stuff blob back onto the phone and de-paperweight it |
| 07:47:56 | andersee | There are blob binaries in the downloads section of the website |
| 07:48:20 | tomdacat | the tuxscreen-blob file right? |
| 07:48:37 | tomdacat | do i just cat tuxscreen-blob |./flash ? |
| 07:48:59 | andersee | I forget the exact syntax, but something like that, yeah |
| 07:49:02 | tomdacat | ok |
| 07:49:20 | tomdacat | flashing now |
| 07:49:28 | tomdacat | do i need to power cycle after that? |
| 07:51:23 | tomdacat | i flashed it, but i just have a black screen on reboot |
| 07:54:40 | BZFlag | got a serial cable hooked up? |
| 07:54:55 | BZFlag | you should have a black screen if blob is there, |
| 07:55:09 | tomdacat | no serial cable, just he jtag |
| 07:57:03 | tomdacat | can i program the whole thing over the jtag? |
| 07:58:07 | andersee | yes |
| 07:58:12 | andersee | Takes a long time. |
| 07:58:22 | andersee | And is worthless if blos isn't working |
| 07:58:27 | andersee | err. blob |
| 07:58:31 | tomdacat | right |
| 07:58:44 | tomdacat | how do i test if blob is working? |
| 08:03:17 | Sammy | Amm... |
| 08:03:18 | andersee | flash it, unplug everything, reboot. |
| 08:04:03 | tomdacat | did that, still black screen |
| 08:05:52 | tomdacat | another question, do i push the tuxscreen-kernel and the tuxscreen-image.jffs2, or just one (after getting blob working) |
| 08:06:50 | Sammy | both :) |
| 08:07:05 | tomdacat | is there any particular order? |
| 08:08:03 | andersee | I just flash blob using jtag, then use blob to flash kernel and ramdisk (jtag is slow) |
| 08:08:20 | tomdacat | yeah it is |
| 08:08:54 | BZFlag | tomdacat: you need serial to see if blob is working. |
| 08:09:20 | tomdacat | ok, thx, null modem, or just regular straight through |
| 08:09:23 | Morn | yawns. |
| 08:09:44 | andersee | null |
| 08:10:34 | tomdacat | does the flash program just know where the images are supposed to go, it seems that it would just overwrite memory addresses |
| 08:11:22 | andersee | it just starts at the beginning of flash... |
| 08:12:28 | tomdacat | so wouldn't flashing the kernel overwrite blob? |
| 08:49:35 | BZFlag | flash has command line parameters to set offset and length if you need them |
| 08:49:58 | BZFlag | blob has the locations compiled in at present. |
| 08:50:14 | BZFlag | soon we will have partitioning in blob so that you can move things if you want. |
| 08:52:34 | tomdacat | the offset commands aren't documented in the Readme |
| 08:54:16 | tomdacat | are there certain memory addresses that the bootloader looks for the kernel or ramdisk? |
| 09:13:52 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 09:14:04 | BZFlag | blob/include/arch/shannon.h |
| 09:14:14 | tomdacat | nice, thanks |
| 09:14:30 | BZFlag | blob has 128k, kernel has the rest of the first 1M, root has 3M (at present) |
| 09:14:59 | tomdacat | ok, makes sense |
| 09:15:10 | tomdacat | are the memory address in that h file? |
| 09:16:01 | BZFlag | yes. though I might have the path wrong. shannon.h is what you want though. |
| 09:16:07 | tomdacat | ok |
| 09:16:56 | BZFlag | if you build 2.0.5-pre* blob from cvs you can add the read-from-jffs2 patch off SF and have 128k blob, the rest rootfs |
| 09:17:44 | tomdacat | eh, i just want to try to get this working for tomorrow |
| 09:19:38 | tomdacat | damn, where is the blob source? can't find it online |
| 09:23:41 | tomdacat | found it |
| 09:26:01 | BZFlag | blob.sourceforge.net |
| 09:26:11 | BZFlag | NOT the blob in tux cvs. |
| 09:27:49 | tomdacat | oooooh |
| 09:29:59 | tomdacat | would it be sa1100.h? |
| 09:40:03 | tomdacat | got it |
| 09:45:47 | tomdacat | grr, do you know/remember what the flash commands are for memory ranges to start at? |
| 09:52:35 | BZFlag | one sec... |
| 09:53:01 | BZFlag | --address=0x* |
| 09:53:46 | tomdacat | sweet |
| 09:53:57 | BZFlag | as I recall it only takes hex values. |
| 09:54:07 | tomdacat | thats fine, i found those |
| 09:54:12 | BZFlag | ok |
| 09:57:55 | tomdacat | didn't like that |
| 10:01:10 | tomdacat | tried "cat tuxscreen-kernel |./flash --address=0xC0008000" |
| 10:01:15 | tomdacat | does nothing, and fast |
| 10:18:59 | BZFlag | no, you want a flash address. |
| 10:19:51 | BZFlag | ./flash --address=0x20000 < tuxscreen-kernel |
| 10:22:51 | tomdacat | where did you find the flash address? |
| 12:10:59 | julien | somebody alive ? |
| 12:18:15 | julien | I receive my tuxscreen right now, I plugged it and it is not working. |
| 12:19:05 | julien | Could somebody help me ? |
| 14:14:15 | julien | Heeeeeeelp !!!! |
| 14:21:58 | julien | Nobody alive ? |
| 14:34:02 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: hi |
| 14:34:23 | SpaceCoaster | julien: whatsup? |
| 14:34:25 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: good morning, how's NH this am? |
| 14:35:31 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: bright, little bit of snow yesterday, about 3 inches, so quite pretty. |
| 14:36:28 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: cold and clear here, haven't any snow for about a week. Mts beautiful. |
| 14:36:31 | julien | hi |
| 14:36:43 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: I found that I can use the DSP as a battery backed up clock, this is a good thing for my app. |
| 14:36:45 | GPSFan | julien: hi |
| 14:37:00 | julien | I received my tuxscreen today (I live in belgium) |
| 14:37:11 | julien | and it is not even booting :-( |
| 14:37:34 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: that's good, it really has a clock able to deal with time and dates inside? |
| 14:38:09 | julien | the others that we received are working ok. |
| 14:38:47 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: we don't need no stinking time/dates, man! This is unix, seconds since the epoch rules ok. |
| 14:38:52 | GPSFan | julien: try swaping power supplies, and be sure the SODIMM is properly seated. |
| 14:39:46 | julien | GPSFan: ok, thx |
| 14:39:58 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: ;>) great, so it can then be read by the SA1100 on boot up, and we will have time, then an NTP client could run every so often to keep it accurate. |
| 14:40:35 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: it has functions to set/retrieve a 4 byte counter. This counter is incremented once per second whilst the DSP has power (mains or battery). |
| 14:41:10 | SpaceCoaster | Yes it could be read at bootup. tuxphone would be a good place to read it. |
| 14:41:33 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: nice, and to set it initially,you have some small client app, or use NTP. |
| 14:42:13 | SpaceCoaster | I have a big LCD display in my app, touch the top of the digits to increment, bottom to decrement. |
| 14:42:35 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: TuxClock ;>) |
| 14:42:57 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: or TuxTime |
| 14:43:28 | julien | the alim is ok, the pad does beep when I push on buttons |
| 14:43:47 | julien | the SODIMM is correctly inserted ... |
| 14:44:03 | SpaceCoaster | Almost, it has a Clock, Calendar, Phone App and Photo Gallery. |
| 14:44:35 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: where does it get/store the photo's |
| 14:45:11 | GPSFan | julien: does the "phone" part operate when connected to a tel line? |
| 14:45:49 | SpaceCoaster | Compact Flash, the app is written in Qt/Embedded and it is about 6MB, so I use a 64MB CF, room for a few thousand 640x480 snaps. |
| 14:46:17 | julien | it is not compatible with the phone lines we have here ... |
| 14:46:58 | julien | but with what I can see, it acts like those on working tuxscreen |
| 14:47:13 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: I have bought a couple as family presents so the photo gallery contains hundreds of family photos. |
| 14:48:00 | GPSFan | julien: oh ;>( . it could be the backlight, or the display has a bad or poor connection. my #1 tux developed a bad interface cable and I had to re-crimp it. |
| 14:48:42 | GPSFan | julien: hook a terminal program to the serial port and see in anything comes out. |
| 14:49:00 | julien | GPSFan: ok |
| 14:49:52 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: that's a nice family xmas present as time goes by you can update the pix as events evolve. |
| 14:54:13 | julien | hmm, no serial cable here ... I will be back tomorrow |
| 14:54:25 | julien | thanks to you, guys |
| 14:55:35 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: we have written it twice, once in Java and again in Qt. Java was too slow but we didn't find out until we got enough memory working for it to run. |
| 14:56:57 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: the best bit is that the phonelist and the calendar sync with a palm pilot, so they can just attach the cradle to the serial and press the hotsync button and the TuxScreen is setup. |
| 14:57:28 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: I'm not familar with Qt. URL? Does it run under Linux or is it it's own OS? |
| 14:58:40 | SpaceCoaster | www.trolltech.com runs under Linux, but writes directly to the framebuffer so no X, it is a mature toolkit and is used for KDE. |
| 15:02:34 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: ok, a bit pricey, but how are going to make $ from Linux otherwise? looks like a nice package. |
| 15:02:54 | GPSFan | s/are/are they |
| 15:03:15 | prpplague | GPSFan: did i hear $+linux ??/ |
| 15:03:49 | GPSFan | prpplague: http://www.trolltech.com/ |
| 15:04:00 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: yeah but it's free if you produce GPL software, I will put this stuff on sourceforge. |
| 15:04:47 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: it's only the Windows version that you HAVE to pay for. |
| 15:04:48 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: ooo! didn't see that part, just took a quick look at the pricing page. |
| 15:05:03 | SpaceCoaster | going to eat breakfast... |
| 15:06:12 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 15:06:39 | Morn | hi all |
| 15:07:09 | Morn | is back (gone 14:04:27) |
| 15:09:26 | prpplague | morn Morn |
| 15:09:42 | GPSFan | Morn: morn'ing |
| 15:10:28 | prpplague | begins a day of totaly boring assignments |
| 15:15:39 | CosmicPenguin | is back: [Gone 14h:30m:10s] |
| 15:15:44 | CosmicPenguin | Hello |
| 15:18:08 | prpplague | howdy CosmicPenguin |
| 15:18:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: break any good code yet today? |
| 15:24:14 | thekernel | Hey everyone |
| 15:38:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: It is still very early.... |
| 15:38:48 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Guess who has the job of making sure that FLNX works under 3.0.2??? :) |
| 15:39:11 | thekernel | CosmicPenguin: Ohhh... Fun... |
| 15:39:27 | Morn | I guess you... |
| 15:39:48 | Morn | I guess that's my fault? |
| 15:40:26 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I was just kidding around.... it has to be done.... |
| 15:41:08 | CosmicPenguin | I could say some bad things about forcing ANSI compliance, but I won't..... |
| 15:41:47 | Morn | I know, I was kidding too |
| 15:57:35 | RedBaron | Good morning |
| 16:07:19 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 16:08:42 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Were you the one who was working on microwindows? |
| 16:09:13 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Yep.... |
| 16:10:50 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Do you know whats planned with nanox and the new touchscreen driver? |
| 16:19:03 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: I've got to quit being lazy and convert it over, but I've been distracted.... |
| 16:19:24 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: GoRK has a sub driver that should do the trick, and I will probably move on to use that... |
| 16:19:27 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: *chuckle* Okay. Was just curious. |
| 16:20:28 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Huh. have you seen the article on /. about the FIC Aquapad? It looks rather good. |
| 16:21:05 | CosmicPenguin | No, hold on whilst I read it.... |
| 16:23:04 | RedBaron | Hrm...It has a 3600mA battery in it and runs from 2.8 to 3.5 hours. My tux was able to run for about 1.5 hours on 1200mA (two batteries that are old and rather worn down). But that aquapad has a 500Mhz transmeta. |
| 16:23:43 | CosmicPenguin | Only an IDE CF..... thats depressing.... |
| 16:24:00 | CosmicPenguin | But it does have a type II PCMCIA slot |
| 16:24:02 | prpplague | RedBaron: the progear frontpath has a transmeta, and we only get about 3-4 hours on the unit |
| 16:24:21 | RedBaron | prpplague: Hmm. okay. |
| 16:25:20 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Further on in the article they seem to say the limiting part of hard drives and what not is not hardware but the support compiled into the loaded kernel |
| 16:25:33 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: support for pcmcia devices also |
| 16:25:35 | CosmicPenguin | no build in networking, and bluetooth support seems like an after thought..... |
| 16:25:49 | CosmicPenguin | It does have an USB port, thats always a plus. |
| 16:25:51 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Its supposed to have wireless of some type |
| 16:26:11 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Not according to the review.... You would have to plug in a 802.11B card.... |
| 16:26:20 | RedBaron | They tested standardish USB mouse and keyboard and it worked fine. |
| 16:26:34 | CosmicPenguin | Which is OK, because now marketeers can call any PCMCIA enabled device "wireless" these days.... |
| 16:26:45 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: ah. ok. must have been just the poster on /. talking about it then |
| 16:27:23 | CosmicPenguin | Now the big question - price? |
| 16:27:28 | RedBaron | Ayup |
| 16:27:43 | RedBaron | It will not compare to $99. hehe |
| 16:27:44 | prpplague | RedBaron: my point was that even with large batteries transmeta stuff still doesn't come close to the power savings on arm |
| 16:28:24 | RedBaron | prpplague: I believe it. even though transmeta may be RISC internally, it still has to emulate the full x86 instruction set. and thats a lot of transitors. |
| 16:29:06 | CosmicPenguin | Plus, the chip hasn't lived up to its expectations.... |
| 16:29:10 | RedBaron | true |
| 16:29:46 | prpplague | http://www.voix.co.kr/mo-1.html |
| 16:30:02 | RedBaron | I just wish that DEC hadnt disolved for two reasons. The Alpha and the StrongArm. Both lines have died. Though intel will probably continue making strongarms. But most deffinitely not alphas. |
| 16:30:10 | prpplague | exactly |
| 16:31:25 | prpplague | anyone interested in porting linux to that? |
| 16:31:26 | RedBaron | prpplague: whats that thing run? |
| 16:31:31 | prpplague | winblows ce |
| 16:31:37 | RedBaron | what proc? |
| 16:31:40 | RedBaron | Ah. now I see it |
| 16:32:40 | RedBaron | These small portable computers are popping up everywhere now. |
| 16:33:05 | prpplague | RedBaron: its just a matter of time before we get the right mix of things |
| 16:33:35 | Morn | I guess Tim isn't around |
| 16:33:50 | Morn | I wanted to tell him I found the reason I was having trouble with the iPAQ install |
| 16:33:54 | Morn | is an idiot |
| 16:36:00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: How big is that screen? |
| 16:38:42 | prpplague | 640x480 6.4" |
| 16:39:09 | prpplague | it looks almost identical to the unit we are designing |
| 16:39:31 | prpplague | http://www.voix.co.kr/english-mo-5.html |
| 16:39:37 | prpplague | here those are the specs in english |
| 16:39:46 | prpplague | sorry i sent the link for the korean |
| 16:40:02 | RedBaron | prpplague: I agree. its just a matter of time. |
| 16:40:42 | prpplague | RedBaron: i could do without cdma module, and add the barcode scanner option and i'd be heaven(running linux) |
| 16:41:00 | prpplague | RedBaron: assuming its a good price |
| 16:41:14 | prpplague | RedBaron: based on the price of the ipstation, i'd guess it is |
| 16:41:24 | RedBaron | prpplague: *nod* |
| 16:42:02 | prpplague | RedBaron: i've already got an ipstation, but i'm going to get a mobilestation later next week |
| 16:42:11 | RedBaron | Damn windows. It has problems with the ACPI functions in my BIOS. just reboots randomly. *grumble* The crap I put up with just to play games. |
| 16:42:41 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:43:07 | RedBaron | Oh and get this. if I disable ACPI in bios and reboot, winblows locks up very early on in the boot process. |
| 16:43:37 | prpplague | doh |
| 16:44:31 | Morn | RedBaron: win2k or XP? |
| 16:44:37 | Morn | if so that is to be expected |
| 16:44:39 | RedBaron | Morn: Both |
| 16:44:49 | Morn | they use a different kernel for acpi vs non-acpi |
| 16:45:13 | RedBaron | Morn: Ah. I was guessing it was something like that. so if I reinstall without ACPI enabled, it should work better |
| 16:45:21 | Morn | right |
| 16:45:43 | Morn | this is part of the reason that generally using a pre=installed Win2k/XP install with vmware doesn't work |
| 16:45:53 | Morn | because vmware is non-acpi |
| 16:47:31 | Morn | you can just change the kernel |
| 16:47:31 | Morn | but I forget the exact method |
| 16:47:34 | Morn | and it doesn't always work |
| 16:54:38 | Morn | wb |
| 17:07:46 | Morn | is away: lunch time |
| 17:24:02 | kernelwork | has to install windows (please no lynching) |
| 17:38:33 | Morn | is back (gone 00:30:47) |
| 17:38:49 | kernelwork | You didn't miss much :) |
| 17:38:49 | Morn | looks for her rope |
| 18:40:57 | AlHazWork | Off topic question. Why isn't there anything on ftp.us.debian.org in /debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386 ? |
| 18:41:16 | AlHazWork | er /base |
| 18:41:33 | kernelwork | Good question... |
| 18:42:03 | kernelwork | Didn't that directory hold the base.tgz file? |
| 18:42:10 | AlHazWork | You'd think so |
| 18:42:15 | AlHazWork | I sorta need it. |
| 18:42:16 | kernelwork | Then that explains it |
| 18:42:25 | kernelwork | base.tgz is depricated :) |
| 18:42:40 | AlHazWork | I'm attempting to install debian on a system that boots off of pcmcia |
| 18:42:48 | AlHazWork | ok, where do i get a base image? |
| 18:42:57 | kernelwork | In woody you use dbootstrap and it downloads everything and generates the base.tgz on the fly |
| 18:43:15 | AlHazWork | are there instructions on how to do that somewhere? |
| 18:43:37 | kernelwork | I saw them once long ago in the debian-boot mailing list... |
| 18:43:56 | kernelwork | Back when I was following the status of debian boot |
| 18:45:06 | AlHazWork | Actually |
| 18:45:11 | AlHazWork | there's nothing in any of those directories |
| 18:45:23 | AlHazWork | any of the subdirs under binary-i386 i mean |
| 18:46:17 | AlHazWork | the tree's completely barren |
| 18:50:06 | AlHazWork | sid's more empty than woody, too. |
| 19:19:37 | Russ|werk | I know |
| 19:19:40 | Russ|werk | its all in pool |
| 19:20:10 | kernelwork | sid is pool... |
| 19:20:57 | kernelwork | thinks it makes more sense for the packages for sid to be in pool |
| 19:23:37 | Russ|werk | I think sid and woody go into pool |
| 19:24:37 | kernelwork | I don't know. Is it going to integrate properly with the version of glibc? |
| 19:27:05 | Morn | hi Tim |
| 19:27:07 | Morn | don't laugh |
| 19:27:16 | Morn | I found out what my problem with the iPAQ install was |
| 19:27:17 | kernelwork | I wonder how hard it would be to setup a debian mirror... |
| 19:28:19 | Morn | kernelwork: you should be able to just rsync from another mirror |
| 19:29:55 | kernelwork | True, but that would require me to read the rsync man page. That's too hard.. Perhaps I'll write my own daemon just for debian mirror syncing and force them to put it on the debian site. That'd be alot easier :) |
| 19:30:11 | Morn | rsync isn't that hard |
| 19:30:12 | Morn | really |
| 19:30:46 | kernelwork | I hope my overkill was obvious... |
| 19:30:59 | Morn | rsync -avz rsync://h0.handhelds.org/familar-ftp /home/ftp/pub/familar |
| 19:31:11 | Morn | that's what I use for famiiar |
| 19:32:03 | kernelwork | wonders how to generate packages.gz (purely rhetorical) |
| 19:32:21 | Morn | vim and gz ? |
| 19:32:25 | Morn | giggles. |
| 19:32:44 | kernelwork | Ok, I'll start today and finish in 2 years... |
| 19:33:22 | Morn | :-) |
| 19:34:25 | AlHazWork | There doesn't appear to be anything but potato on any of the debian ftp sites today |
| 19:35:57 | AlHazWork | so there's a bunch of "stuff" in pool, but how does it become a distribution that i can actually use? |
| 19:42:15 | kernelwork | AlHazWork : You use apt and the packages.gz files from the dist directories |
| 19:42:46 | kernelwork | pool is just all the packages organized differently |
| 19:44:22 | kernelwork | debian is great. you don't have to know the package filename and location, you just need to know it's name and apt-get it. Too bad that works to our disadvantage at times as well... |
| 20:04:25 | Morn | kernelwork: with rpm there is a utility called urpmi that does the same thing, you preset the places for it to look |
| 20:04:32 | Morn | and it gets the file |
| 20:04:57 | Morn | and there is urpmf that tells you what package a filename is in if you don't know |
| 20:10:46 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here an ISA guru? |
| 20:10:58 | file | nope |
| 20:11:37 | AlHazWork | in what sense? (probably no) |
| 20:12:50 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a board that they say has a base address of 0xD0000, and this is obviously wrong... Before I go off blaming somebody, I was wondering if there was some sort of offset math (based on the slot) that I would have to do |
| 20:13:21 | AlHazWork | Not based on the slot, ISA isn't that smart |
| 20:20:51 | Russ|werk | its technically at 0xD00000 I think |
| 20:20:58 | Russ|werk | or is it 0xD000, I forget |
| 20:21:06 | Russ|werk | I have an ISA card I built |
| 20:21:57 | Russ|werk | #define JTAG_ADDRESS 0xD0000 |
| 20:22:17 | Russ|werk | thats where linux accesses it for inb/outb, I also set up that area as a shadow in CMOS |
| 20:23:54 | Russ|werk | but *physically* on the isa bus, its at 0xd000 |
| 20:24:47 | Russ|werk | (note the decoders set to D 0 0 0 |
| 20:24:54 | Russ|werk | ) |
| 20:27:20 | CosmicPenguin | It better not be at d000, because I have registers hanging out at offset 0x2000 |
| 20:27:55 | Russ|werk | lemme think... |
| 20:28:06 | Russ|werk | would that be 0xd2000, or 0x100000 |
| 20:32:08 | CosmicPenguin | Who is in charge of translating that address... does the kernel handle that, or is it the hardware? |
| 20:33:45 | Russ|werk | probably the hardware |
| 20:33:52 | Russ|werk | special io instructions |
| 20:39:42 | CosmicPenguin | So I am out here scratching around in the middle of nowhere.... |
| 20:40:03 | CosmicPenguin | And they didn't even give me a known value to probe..... |
| 20:41:09 | CosmicPenguin | Just for giggles, lemme add another zero to that..... |
| 20:42:09 | CosmicPenguin | Nope.... request_region gives me a big 'ol error.... |
| 20:46:33 | Russ|werk | maybe they mean 0x200 |
| 20:46:53 | Russ|werk | you tried 0xd2000? did you try shadowing that region in bios? |
| 21:16:57 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I haven't tried shadowing..... maybe that would be useful |
| 22:06:57 | matrix | hey all |
| 22:07:14 | kernelwork | hey matrix |
| 22:07:22 | | kernelwork? |
| 22:07:22 | kernelwork | ibot? |
| 22:10:39 | matrix | i don't think loc does, that's why he mentioned using a vacation day |
| 22:10:51 | matrix | wrong channel, sorry |
| 22:16:14 | RedBaron | matrix: howdy |
| 22:46:36 | scanline | is away: going home for christmas (need to pack computer) |
| 23:13:29 | Russ|werk | while (2) |
| 23:13:29 | Russ|werk | { |
| 23:13:33 | Russ|werk | never seen that... |
| 23:13:44 | Russ|werk | is that more robust than while(1)? |
| 23:14:00 | kernelwork | It's more interesting :) |
| 23:18:35 | AlHazWork | what about while (pi) for infinite loops? |
| 23:19:32 | kernelwork | That'd be fun... |
| 23:19:51 | kernelwork | can I cast it to (int)? |
| 23:22:07 | Russ|werk | while (sqrt(-1)) |
| 23:22:24 | Russ|werk | is i non-zero? |
| 23:22:57 | RedBaron | void recurse() {recurse();} ....... while (recurse()) {...} |
| 23:25:24 | kernelwork | Russ|werk I think you imagined it :) |
| 23:25:27 | Russ|werk | I don't know if it would ever call recurse() |
| 23:25:40 | Russ|werk | because it doesn't return a value |
| 23:26:00 | RedBaron | Russ|werk: Hrm..it may not compile...or it may just warn about it |
| 23:26:26 | kernelwork | I think it would just grow the stack to the heap |
| 23:26:52 | RedBaron | Russ|werk: Nope. it doesnt compile. becuse of the void return |
| 23:27:08 | RedBaron | kernelwork: It would do that if it compiled :) |
| 23:28:01 | kernelwork | int recurse(int n){static i; return recurse(n+i)} |
| 23:28:43 | kernelwork | that would be a function with undefined results :) |
| 23:29:15 | Russ|werk | becase of the limited size of int, it doesn't converge |
| 23:29:35 | RedBaron | It would be very defined. It would result in a segfault rather quick :) |
| 23:29:37 | Russ|werk | so once infinity was over, who knows what the return value would be |
| 23:30:02 | kernelwork | I have incremented an int to it's limit. It loops back around... |
| 23:39:36 | Russ|werk | I know |
| 23:39:44 | Russ|werk | so it doesn't converge |
| 23:55:31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I figured out my problem (thanks for your help BTW...) |
| 23:59:53 | Russ|werk | what was it? |