| 00:04:03 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: hmm... I don't see it. |
| 00:04:17 | Hiraghm | huh? |
| 00:04:32 | BZFlag | http://www.concentric.net/~Wkiernan/UUencode/uuencode.html |
| 00:04:56 | Hiraghm | as soon as I start tera term transmitting the tuxscreen-kernel, it tells me timeout exceeded, aborting, and that the uudecode failed |
| 00:05:36 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Did you do 'file/send file...'? And you sent a uuencoded file right? |
| 00:05:45 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 00:06:09 | Hiraghm | sorry, since you recommended tera term and I saw no obvious option for uuencoding... |
| 00:06:16 | Hiraghm | grins sheepishly |
| 00:07:01 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: ah well teraterm cant uuencode. |
| 00:10:40 | GPSFan | RedBaron: back, unfreezing my fingers, now I can type again (such as it is) ;>) |
| 00:10:49 | RedBaron | GPSFan: *chuckle* |
| 00:11:06 | Hiraghm | RedBaron, okay, now I have uuencode/uudecode.. so how do I uuencode the files to the tux? |
| 00:11:15 | GPSFan | RedBaron: it's 16 and falling fast outside. |
| 00:11:31 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Toasty. :) Where are you? |
| 00:11:47 | GPSFan | RedBaron: western Colorado. |
| 00:12:20 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: You need to uuencode the file. Then use teraterm, 'File/Send File...' and have it send the uuencoded file. It'll take a while |
| 00:12:33 | Hiraghm | uuencode tuxscreen-kernel foo > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 00:12:33 | Hiraghm | that's what I thought |
| 00:12:43 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ah. Yeah I'm sure its mighty nippy up in the mountains there. |
| 00:12:51 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: You doing this in windows or linux? |
| 00:13:13 | Hiraghm | I switched to windows from my O2. I don't have linux installed on a machine atm |
| 00:13:19 | Hiraghm | (got too much else going on <sigh>) |
| 00:13:40 | Hiraghm | foo is what? the name I wish to give the encoded version of tuxscreen? |
| 00:13:45 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I used to live in Denver. It was always amazing the tempurature difference that 20 minutes of driving into the mountains makes. Just over the first hogback or two. |
| 00:14:17 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: uuencode needs a name to call the file its encoding. It doesnt matter. So therefore foo works fine. Dont worry about it |
| 00:14:32 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: I battled with win98 trying to upgrade Inferno, waste of time, switched to Linux, win98 is fast losing what little apeal it had. |
| 00:14:50 | GoRK | you can use 'uuenpipe' if you'd rather not type a bogus filename |
| 00:14:57 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: So yeah, uuencode <file> foo > /dev/<serial device for O2> |
| 00:15:38 | GoRK | uuenpipe consists of the following if you don't have it: |
| 00:15:44 | GoRK | #!/bin/sh -e |
| 00:15:48 | GoRK | cat ${1-"-"} | uuencode `basename ${1-UUPIPEOUT}` |
| 00:15:48 | GPSFan | RedBaron: we are at 6200' and it's really clear tonight, 16 or so at dusk I'm sure it will be below zero later. |
| 00:16:00 | Hiraghm | it made 486 thousand files! |
| 00:16:11 | Hiraghm | using NT actually |
| 00:16:23 | RedBaron | GPSFan: *nod* |
| 00:16:43 | GPSFan | RedBaron: how did you make out with your powersupply? |
| 00:16:48 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ok. So I tried out applying my almost 2.2V to the PFI pin. It didnt seem to help out the DSP |
| 00:16:56 | Hiraghm | let me guess, I have to use the option to keep it from splitting it into multiple files? |
| 00:17:01 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Same behavior as with PFI unconnected. |
| 00:17:58 | GPSFan | RedBaron: well maybe PFI in the wall wart is more complex than just a resistive divider off +5. I wish I had a scrap wall wart to trace out. |
| 00:18:52 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I have a scrap one that doesnt work. It was completely dead on arrival. I canablized the connector on the end to make it easier to connect my battery power supply for testing. |
| 00:19:12 | RedBaron | GPSFan: BZFlag was kind enough to send me another power supply. |
| 00:19:28 | GPSFan | RedBaron: nice, where are you? |
| 00:19:37 | RedBaron | GPSFan: New Hampshire :) |
| 00:20:10 | GPSFan | RedBaron: kind of far to drop over for a beer. ;>) |
| 00:20:40 | RedBaron | GPSFan: hehehe. Yeah. Like I said, I used to live in Denver. :) Wouldnt mind going back actualy. More technical jobs there in than in New Hampshire |
| 00:21:10 | Hiraghm | yes? |
| 00:21:20 | Hiraghm | what does flash kernel do? |
| 00:21:33 | Hiraghm | what I think it does? |
| 00:21:53 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: It takes the kernel that was downloaded into RAM and writes it to flash |
| 00:22:09 | Hiraghm | and this is a good thing |
| 00:22:16 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: So dont do it unless it successfully downloaded. :) |
| 00:22:30 | Hiraghm | how will I know it's not corrupt? |
| 00:23:08 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: If blob didnt complaign when you sent it, then it should be fine |
| 00:23:09 | Hiraghm | received character out of range, aborting |
| 00:23:12 | Hiraghm | cries |
| 00:23:20 | Hiraghm | it complained when I sent it |
| 00:23:53 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: I assume it went for a while and then failed? If so, try again. the serial line has corrupted data on me once or twice |
| 00:24:29 | Hiraghm | serial lines suck |
| 00:24:35 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: what baud rate are you at? |
| 00:24:47 | Hiraghm | 115200 like it tells me to |
| 00:24:48 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Yeah, but everything uses them. |
| 00:25:24 | Hiraghm | oh, everything will suck until I get linux on this thing and can start trying to write apps for it |
| 00:25:26 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: flow controll off |
| 00:25:47 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: put Linux on your O2 ;>) |
| 00:25:53 | Hiraghm | panics and screams |
| 00:26:14 | RedBaron | GPSFan: *grin* |
| 00:26:38 | Hiraghm | why have an O2 if I'm going to do that? |
| 00:26:42 | GPSFan | RedBaron: according to SGI that's an oprion. |
| 00:27:22 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Hmm. Well, just about anything is better than SGI's unix. Except for AIX. :) |
| 00:27:24 | Hiraghm | received 881088 bytes |
| 00:27:27 | Hiraghm | is this anywhere near right? |
| 00:27:33 | Hiraghm | kicks RedBaron |
| 00:27:35 | Hiraghm | I like Irix |
| 00:27:45 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: think that's right |
| 00:28:00 | Hiraghm | How come I don't have a blob prompt? |
| 00:28:03 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Yeah...and SGI gave up on selling their own Unix and doesnt make their own hardware anymore and just sells linux....which is free....so I dont know what there buisness is based on anymore..but hey. What ever works. |
| 00:28:25 | Hiraghm | cross your fingers... going to flash kernel |
| 00:28:30 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Good luck |
| 00:28:48 | Hiraghm | prays that he hasn't created a brick |
| 00:28:48 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: good luck. |
| 00:28:53 | Hiraghm | it's done |
| 00:29:16 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: even if the kernel is bad, blob will save you. |
| 00:29:26 | Hiraghm | sending the ramdisk now |
| 00:29:34 | Hiraghm | Oh, really? kay. just so long as I didn't make a brick |
| 00:29:36 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Nah. Your cool if blob is loaded. You can flash the kernel and the ramdisk all you want. You wont effect blob. Just dont accidently flash blob itself. |
| 00:30:14 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: and even if you blow up blob, you can still use the JTAG interface to install blob again. It just takes a bit of hardware hacking to get that to work. |
| 00:30:30 | GPSFan | RedBaron: SGI made some really great hardware, actually reasonably priced, but the software!!! mucho $$$$ |
| 00:31:28 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I agree. They do make good hardware. But I thought they had announced a while ago that they were giving up making their workstations. And they sold of Cray right? |
| 00:31:33 | Hiraghm | received 867928 bytez |
| 00:31:57 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: That seems a little small |
| 00:32:03 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: for the ramdisk |
| 00:32:24 | Hiraghm | flashing ramdisk now you tell me 8c( |
| 00:32:59 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: that's larger than some of mine, it's probably fine. |
| 00:33:11 | Hiraghm | this doesn't include any form of X, does it? |
| 00:33:21 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Actualy yeah. that should be fine. I use the microwindows ramdisk. which is bigger. |
| 00:33:41 | Hiraghm | microwindows.. sounds like what I'm talking about |
| 00:33:43 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Nope. No GUI in that ramdisk image. |
| 00:34:13 | Hiraghm | should it still be flashing? |
| 00:34:26 | GPSFan | yes |
| 00:34:35 | Hiraghm | mkay |
| 00:34:47 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Yup. Flash memory is slow. |
| 00:34:49 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: ramdisk sometimes takes longer than a smaller kernel |
| 00:35:04 | GPSFan | s/smaller/larger ;>P |
| 00:35:22 | RedBaron | GPSFan: So could you and would you make use of this dead power supply if I send it to you? I'll never use it. |
| 00:35:43 | Hiraghm | hey, could the tuxscreen run off of a battery? |
| 00:36:04 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Why...yes. :) |
| 00:36:38 | Hiraghm | why you say it that way? |
| 00:36:38 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: If you make the electronics to make it work |
| 00:36:42 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I would trace out the PFI signal to figure out what it really does. I might be able to fix it if it's something simple. |
| 00:36:54 | Hiraghm | well duh |
| 00:37:07 | Hiraghm | I meant w/o having to do much of a hardware hack 8c) |
| 00:37:35 | Hiraghm | I was thinking of making a nice case for it. then having a semiportable tux. add a pentax printer, and you have a mobile office |
| 00:37:47 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: hehe. Its not too bad. I've done it. Takes 4 caps and two voltage regulators. |
| 00:38:10 | Hiraghm | snaps his fingers |
| 00:38:12 | Hiraghm | trivial! |
| 00:38:14 | Hiraghm | grins |
| 00:38:23 | Hiraghm | I dont' even have a soldering iron anymore |
| 00:38:51 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: I'm making mine (or rather I will once I have a job and money to afford a few things like say....good batteries) into a webpad setup. |
| 00:39:10 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: *chuckle* You might need one of those. :) |
| 00:39:22 | Hiraghm | I might. okay, ram flashed |
| 00:39:23 | Hiraghm | boot? |
| 00:39:33 | RedBaron | yes |
| 00:39:45 | Hiraghm | terminal window full of garbage |
| 00:39:47 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: tux is a great hacking project, both for software and hareware. but mostly it is a learning tool. |
| 00:39:48 | RedBaron | GPSFan: well...I wish I could find that old power supply. Hrm |
| 00:40:03 | Hiraghm | tuxscreen login! |
| 00:40:05 | Hiraghm | oh oh |
| 00:40:08 | Hiraghm | who do I login as? |
| 00:40:11 | Hiraghm | root? |
| 00:40:33 | Hiraghm | how'd they do the tux logo? |
| 00:40:44 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: fm |
| 00:41:33 | Hiraghm | fm? |
| 00:41:41 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Damn. I hope I didnt throw it out. well...even if I did, I know BZFlag has a pile of extra power supplies. You might be able to get one from him. |
| 00:41:42 | GPSFan | fm== framebuffer magic |
| 00:41:58 | Hiraghm | oh well let's be cryptic and keep secrets from me 8c( |
| 00:42:11 | Hiraghm | anyway... do I log in as root? what would the password be? |
| 00:42:17 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I know that BZFlag has an open one, from the pix on the wiki. |
| 00:42:22 | Hiraghm | is excited now |
| 00:42:47 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: try logging in as root, and see |
| 00:43:04 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Yeah. When I had my problems with the power supply that came in the box with my tux, he told me he has a ton of extras that apparently came with the who supply of tuxscreens. |
| 00:43:50 | RedBaron | GPSFan: 'who' == 'whole' |
| 00:44:28 | Hiraghm | kay, I'm in |
| 00:44:29 | Hiraghm | now |
| 00:44:31 | Hiraghm | sighs |
| 00:44:37 | Hiraghm | how do I get a gui on it? |
| 00:44:47 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: now the real fun begins. ;>) |
| 00:44:53 | Hiraghm | I know I'm a pest but it's going to pay off in the end |
| 00:45:02 | Hiraghm | oh oh. what? |
| 00:45:53 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: either download picogui, microwindows, or make them from CVS. |
| 00:46:00 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: You get to download the CVS repository for the tuxscreen linux and then crosscompile it yourself. But you'll need a linux box for that. |
| 00:46:00 | Hiraghm | okay |
| 00:46:07 | Hiraghm | where can I find them,a nd which is better and why? 8c) |
| 00:46:21 | Hiraghm | no binaries? |
| 00:46:34 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: read the wiki, there is a ton of info there about all sorts of good stuff. |
| 00:46:40 | Hiraghm | hey, I've got gcc on my O2... |
| 00:46:43 | GPSFan | there are bin's. |
| 00:48:12 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: for example: http://tuxscreen.net/download/microwin/0.2/ |
| 00:48:34 | Hiraghm | links to the clear prototype models are broken 8c( |
| 00:48:44 | RedBaron | Yeah...I guess there are bins..I just went for CVS immediately. hehe. |
| 00:48:50 | Hiraghm | which is better? |
| 00:48:57 | Hiraghm | pico or micro? |
| 00:49:07 | scanline | is back (gone 00:58:54) |
| 00:49:15 | Hiraghm | RedBaron, apparently one of my first projects will be to port gcc to the tux |
| 00:50:11 | Hiraghm | do I install it the same way? |
| 00:50:40 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/WindowsTools <- please add to it. ;-) |
| 00:51:12 | Hiraghm | wishes you guys would be more voluble |
| 00:51:18 | Hiraghm | add what? about what? |
| 00:51:51 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: both pico & micro are developmental, both need work. work in progress so to speak. |
| 00:52:19 | Hiraghm | yeah I figured that |
| 00:52:23 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: I posted a link to a wiki page. The wiki is editable by anyone. just hit edit on the top of a page and login or create a login. |
| 00:52:53 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Just about everything for the tuxscreen is in developement |
| 00:53:04 | Hiraghm | yeah, I figured that too 8c) |
| 00:53:15 | Hiraghm | BZ, but what should I had? you said to add to it. 8c) |
| 00:53:16 | GPSFan | BZFlag: do you have that old wall wart you opened up for the pic's? I would like to ring out the PFI circuits, without tearing open a working powersupply. |
| 00:53:28 | Hiraghm | okay so... |
| 00:53:32 | BZFlag | GPSFan: where you located? |
| 00:53:45 | GPSFan | BZFlag: paonia, CO |
| 00:53:47 | Hiraghm | this nanox zimage thing replaces my kernel? |
| 00:54:04 | BZFlag | shipping to CO should be cheap. I'll send it if you send it back? |
| 00:54:15 | BZFlag | oh, and post your findings. ;-) |
| 00:54:32 | BZFlag | it works, I just opened it cause so many overseas folk were asking. |
| 00:54:57 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: yes, zimage == kernel. |
| 00:55:01 | GPSFan | BZFlag: sounds good to me. |
| 00:55:23 | BZFlag | k, email me your shipping address and I'll drop it in the mail tomorrow. |
| 00:55:30 | GPSFan | k |
| 00:55:58 | Hiraghm | so I uuencode that file, interrupt the boot again, download kernel, send the file... then type boot? |
| 00:56:17 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: dont forget to flash it |
| 00:57:09 | Hiraghm | oh yeah. but I don't have to do the ramdisk again? |
| 00:57:52 | GPSFan | BZFlag: email on the way... |
| 00:58:25 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: You'll need a root image as well for nanox. |
| 00:58:50 | Hiraghm | and I do download ramdisk for that? |
| 00:58:53 | GPSFan | off to food mmmm! |
| 00:59:00 | Hiraghm | I'm downloading the root image atm |
| 00:59:01 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Mmm...food |
| 00:59:10 | Hiraghm | is waiting for beanie weenies |
| 01:00:34 | Hiraghm | so how do I send the root image? |
| 01:00:38 | Hiraghm | download ramdisk again? |
| 01:00:52 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Whatcha think? How'd you do it before? |
| 01:01:07 | Hiraghm | root == ramdisk, then? |
| 01:01:15 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: yup |
| 01:01:21 | Hiraghm | okay. |
| 01:10:21 | Hiraghm | ping! |
| 01:10:41 | puppy | ping what |
| 01:11:04 | Hiraghm | anything! |
| 01:11:17 | puppy | hehe |
| 01:11:19 | puppy | nada |
| 01:20:08 | Hiraghm | panics and screams |
| 01:20:12 | Hiraghm | halp halp halp! |
| 01:20:20 | Hiraghm | runs in circles, whining and crying |
| 01:20:41 | Hiraghm | RedBaron halp halp |
| 01:21:30 | Hiraghm | I downloaded the kernel, I flashed the kernel, i downloaded the rootimage, I flashed the rootimage... I booted... I rebooted.... |
| 01:21:40 | Hiraghm | Starting kernle ... |
| 01:21:44 | Hiraghm | then a blank line |
| 01:21:52 | Hiraghm | then my cursor.. and the tux's screen remains blank |
| 01:24:09 | Hiraghm | halp? |
| 01:24:25 | Hiraghm | shakes the channel hoping someone wakes up |
| 01:30:44 | BZFlag | GPSFan: back... did not see an email yet. Tim@Rikers.org? |
| 01:31:37 | Hiraghm | BZ!! |
| 01:31:44 | Hiraghm | squeals like a little girl |
| 01:31:49 | Hiraghm | halp halp halp |
| 01:31:55 | Hiraghm | runs in circles, whining and crying |
| 01:32:20 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: what happens on serial? |
| 01:32:21 | Hiraghm | oh, btw, gpsfan went to eat something |
| 01:32:27 | Hiraghm | nothing |
| 01:32:36 | Hiraghm | that Starting kernel ... |
| 01:32:39 | Hiraghm | and then a blank line |
| 01:32:43 | Hiraghm | and the the line the cursor is on |
| 01:32:46 | BZFlag | nothing? ah, ok. |
| 01:32:50 | Hiraghm | the tuxscreen display doesn't even come on |
| 01:32:56 | Hiraghm | and that's it |
| 01:32:57 | BZFlag | that's a lot more that nothing. ;-) |
| 01:33:08 | BZFlag | download and flash the kernel again. |
| 01:33:11 | Hiraghm | I am |
| 01:33:17 | Hiraghm | whatcha spose happened? |
| 01:33:42 | Hiraghm | btw, I'm not all that panic stricken, it's just that I get bored easy and silly helps pass the time |
| 01:34:19 | BZFlag | a whole mess of kernel output on serial and screen. starting with "decompressing" on serial. |
| 01:34:23 | Hiraghm | hey, did I need to download and flash the ramdisk again? (cause I'm in the middle of doin that) |
| 01:34:33 | Hiraghm | yeah, that's what happened before |
| 01:34:34 | BZFlag | try just the kernel first. |
| 01:34:41 | Hiraghm | ack |
| 01:34:53 | Hiraghm | well, it'll be done with the ramdisk in a sec. |
| 01:35:59 | Hiraghm | okay, I just redownloaded the ramdisk but haven't flashed it yet.. should I try booting to see if redownloading the kernel fixed things? |
| 01:36:09 | Hiraghm | or should I go ahead and flash the ramdisk again? |
| 01:36:36 | Hiraghm | oh oh |
| 01:36:43 | Hiraghm | my blob prompt is garbage text |
| 01:39:22 | Hiraghm | downloading the colonel yet again |
| 01:43:43 | BZFlag | if blob shows up as garbage, it's likely a term app problem. |
| 01:43:53 | Hiraghm | wee |
| 01:43:54 | BZFlag | exit and restart the app. then reboot the phone. |
| 01:43:58 | Hiraghm | hokay |
| 01:44:12 | Hiraghm | let's all join hands and hate Windows |
| 01:44:46 | BZFlag | the rootfs we use is a jffs2 image. it must be in flash to work. |
| 01:44:57 | BZFlag | you can build ramdisks for the tux, but we don't |
| 01:45:36 | scanline | Hiraghm: do we get to form a circle around a pile of burning Windows XP licence certificates? |
| 01:47:54 | Hiraghm | uhm |
| 01:47:54 | Hiraghm | yeah |
| 01:47:57 | Hiraghm | that too |
| 01:48:03 | RedBaron | scanline: I'm game. Where do we meet up for the party? |
| 01:48:21 | scanline | RedBaron: Bill Gates' front lawn |
| 01:48:45 | scanline | Problem is, we'd actually have to have enough XP certificates to make a good fire, and i don't think anyone wants to buy that many |
| 01:49:06 | RedBaron | scanline: hehe. Cool. I got a copy of Windows 2.0 to add to the pile. I dont know why I keep it. It must be out of morbid curiosity that I do |
| 01:49:18 | scanline | bwahahaha |
| 01:49:32 | scanline | Oldest i have is windows 3.1 on 5 1/4" disks |
| 01:49:42 | scanline | though i do have a DOS 3.0 floppy around here somewhere... |
| 01:49:58 | Hiraghm | hm. when I uuencode the kernel file, it's half again as big as the original |
| 01:50:11 | Hiraghm | original is 887320... uuencoded is 1222722 |
| 01:50:20 | scanline | See, the logic is, microsoft can never hope to retalliate against such an attack, since you don't need license certificates for linux :) |
| 01:50:24 | scanline | morning sammy |
| 01:50:43 | Hiraghm | I think I've got dos 3 on 3.5 somewhere |
| 01:50:47 | Sammy | morning scanline :) |
| 01:50:59 | Hiraghm | anyway, is this normal? |
| 01:52:13 | RedBaron | scanline: hehe. True. But you have to shell out money for those certificates. And as long as Microsoft is getting the money, what do they care? Besides, after you burn it they could probably sue you if you had any copy of the software (Assuming that wasnt torched as well). |
| 01:52:37 | scanline | Hiraghm: yes, it's taking an 8-bit binary file and re-coding it using ASCII |
| 01:52:52 | scanline | RedBaron: hehe. Ok, maybe we burn photocopies of windows CDs... |
| 01:53:01 | Hiraghm | how bout we just burn MS execs instead? |
| 01:53:07 | scanline | haha |
| 01:53:11 | RedBaron | hehe. Okay. |
| 01:53:21 | Hiraghm | oh wait |
| 01:53:24 | scanline | Anyone here unfortunate enough to have seen Ballmer's "developers" speech? |
| 01:53:31 | Hiraghm | then we'd get the ecology types on us for pollution |
| 01:53:37 | RedBaron | scanline: Nope. |
| 01:53:42 | scanline | haha, yeah... |
| 01:53:54 | RedBaron | Okay...so toss them onto the fire as well. The more the merrier |
| 01:54:09 | scanline | RedBaron: It's truly frightening. Ballmer gets up on stage and starts chanting "Developers, developers, developers, developers" |
| 01:54:20 | scanline | almost looks like he could keel over any minute... |
| 01:54:21 | Hiraghm | see, that's the problem.. there's always some ecology types that don't use computers, so there'd always be some who couldn't understand that it's short term damage for long term good 8c) |
| 01:54:22 | scanline | very scary |
| 01:54:31 | Hiraghm | Oh! I've seen that! |
| 01:54:36 | Hiraghm | on video |
| 01:54:40 | RedBaron | Then we'd get the police...Not for burning the MS execs, but the eco-freaks. So...continue with my formula of 'fire+=*person_pointer' |
| 01:54:43 | scanline | Yeah, a Mac geek i know showed me |
| 01:55:04 | Hiraghm | rofl |
| 01:55:05 | RedBaron | scanline: Are you serious? |
| 01:55:26 | Hiraghm | redbaron, he is |
| 01:55:36 | scanline | RedBaron: yes. Ballmer did this at some M$ conference. What's even more scary is that people have done techno remixes of it |
| 01:55:44 | RedBaron | laugh! |
| 01:57:24 | Hiraghm | does a techno remix of Ballmer's rant |
| 01:57:54 | Hiraghm | if you uuencode that rant of his and play it backwards, does it say, "Bill Gates is the Devil"? |
| 01:58:22 | Hiraghm | (just wondering) |
| 01:58:33 | scanline | hmm, i'll need to check |
| 01:58:36 | scanline | looks for it on the 'net |
| 01:59:20 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: hehe |
| 01:59:33 | GPSFan | BZFlag: back, did you get the e-mail yet? it hasn't bounced back yet and that's where I sent it. |
| 02:00:10 | BZFlag | GPSFan: nope, not here. |
| 02:00:15 | scanline | Here's a kuro5hin article about it: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/29/152925/123 |
| 02:00:23 | BZFlag | sure it was rikers.org and not riker.org? |
| 02:00:29 | GPSFan | BZFlag: hmmm??? |
| 02:01:09 | Hiraghm | so |
| 02:01:12 | GPSFan | ah, sent it to tim@ riker.org vs rikers.org... |
| 02:01:22 | Hiraghm | need a way to strap the phone down and protect the screen |
| 02:01:23 | BZFlag | ah, should be tim@rikers.org |
| 02:01:37 | Hiraghm | then add battery power and voila |
| 02:01:45 | Hiraghm | well, battery power and a case |
| 02:01:50 | Hiraghm | with extendable legs |
| 02:03:10 | GPSFan | BZFlag: That's probably why you never answered my original e-mail several months ago ;>) |
| 02:03:24 | BZFlag | could be. ;-) |
| 02:03:49 | BZFlag | wonders... if a domain is expired at nsi, when does it become available? |
| 02:04:17 | GPSFan | BZFlag: hopefully you got the second one by now. |
| 02:04:59 | Hiraghm | is busy watching an AYBBTU video |
| 02:05:06 | Hiraghm | err, AYBABTU |
| 02:05:41 | Hiraghm | http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/AYB2.swf |
| 02:06:07 | scanline | Hiraghm: Hehe. I've seen that. Have you played Zero Wing on a Sega emulator yet? |
| 02:06:15 | Hiraghm | nope |
| 02:06:23 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:06:29 | scanline | it's actually not a bad game |
| 02:06:40 | scanline | side-scrolling space shooter kinda thing |
| 02:06:40 | Hiraghm | I came across it earlier today, and it occurred to me what a nifty flash anim could be made for it slamming Osama |
| 02:06:56 | Hiraghm | I've seen it before several times |
| 02:07:00 | RedBaron | scanline: Gotta love bad japanese translations for those console games. |
| 02:07:07 | scanline | yep |
| 02:08:49 | BZFlag | GPSFan: yep. |
| 02:09:00 | Hiraghm | YES! got the uncompress message and a whole lot more text |
| 02:09:06 | Hiraghm | now the tuxscreen screen is alive |
| 02:09:28 | scanline | Hiraghm: cool, do you get a shell? |
| 02:09:35 | Hiraghm | it's actually echoing everything on the screen to the terminal window |
| 02:09:53 | Hiraghm | no, it's sitting at "ucb1200 generic module installed |
| 02:09:59 | Hiraghm | no, it's sitting at "ucb1200 generic module installed" |
| 02:10:54 | Hiraghm | same thing 8c( |
| 02:10:59 | Hiraghm | (rebooted) |
| 02:11:32 | Hiraghm | halp again I guess |
| 02:11:54 | Hiraghm | why does it hang there? |
| 02:12:55 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: this is the microwindows kernel? cause it still had that bug in it. |
| 02:14:02 | Hiraghm | wot bug is that? |
| 02:14:10 | Hiraghm | yeah, this is microwindows |
| 02:14:19 | Hiraghm | points at GPSFan |
| 02:14:23 | Hiraghm | He told me where to get it |
| 02:14:41 | BZFlag | the early kernels including the mw one would not init the touch screen on some phones. |
| 02:14:47 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 02:14:48 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: yes, but I said it was a work in progress, downloader beware! |
| 02:14:57 | Hiraghm | sure, make excuses now |
| 02:15:01 | BZFlag | the mw version includes the backlight code which would actually hand on some phones. |
| 02:15:07 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 02:15:14 | Hiraghm | so where can I find pico? |
| 02:15:22 | Hiraghm | (in binary I hope) |
| 02:15:24 | scanline | http://picogui.org |
| 02:15:31 | scanline | well, no binaries there yet |
| 02:15:38 | BZFlag | well, its in buildroot, but you need a linux box to build it. |
| 02:15:52 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: hint if miceo is here: http://tuxscreen.net/download/microwin/0.2/ where might pico be? |
| 02:16:00 | scanline | GoRK also has a picogui jffs image on tuxscreen.net but it's old |
| 02:16:26 | BZFlag | likes GPSFan's logic. ;-) |
| 02:16:31 | Hiraghm | GPSFan uhm... http://picogui.org? |
| 02:16:46 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: check the wiki. |
| 02:16:48 | Hiraghm | Look, I'm not one of those people who, given A can assume B. |
| 02:17:10 | GPSFan | ok: http://tuxscreen.net/download/picogui/0.1/ |
| 02:17:13 | Hiraghm | nods firmly |
| 02:17:27 | scanline | Well, if you want anything recent you should get the CVS version of picogui and compile it, but the jffs images work if you just want to try it out |
| 02:17:59 | BZFlag | scanline: buildroot is broken cause of ts no? |
| 02:18:19 | Hiraghm | how soon is the bug in MW likely to be fixed? |
| 02:18:28 | scanline | BZFlag: I dunno, i haven't tried it yet... |
| 02:18:45 | scanline | BZFlag: GoRK has been doing all the buildroot stuff for picogui |
| 02:19:06 | jacques | hi ppl |
| 02:19:25 | | GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 3 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: cat ${1-"-"} | uuencode `basename ${1-UUPIPEOUT}` [Mon Dec 17 00:15:48 2001] |
| 02:19:25 | jacques | ibot: seen GoRK |
| 02:19:32 | | SpaceCoaster was last seen on #tuxscreen 7 hours, 29 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: RedBaron: try buzby, it's easier to control. [Sun Dec 16 18:50:10 2001] |
| 02:19:32 | jacques | ibot: seen SpaceCoaster |
| 02:19:46 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 18 hours, 3 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: I'm watching a re-run os Buffy... [Sun Dec 16 08:16:45 2001] |
| 02:19:46 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 02:21:21 | | jacques was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen andersee [Mon Dec 17 02:19:46 2001] |
| 02:21:21 | GPSFan | ibot: seen jacques |
| 02:21:26 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: if you fix it today, then today. else who knows. ;-) |
| 02:21:30 | jacques | hi GPSFan :-) |
| 02:21:42 | GPSFan | howdy jacques: |
| 02:22:29 | Hiraghm | Ow |
| 02:22:30 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: if you fix it today, then today. else who knows. ;-) |
| 02:23:53 | jacques | does microwindows work with recent kernels? (ts I mean) |
| 02:25:31 | Hiraghm | gee, would mw 0.1 work? |
| 02:26:13 | Hiraghm | waves near jacques |
| 02:26:29 | RedBaron | jacques: The current CVS microwindows does not work with the current TS driver. |
| 02:26:45 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: i flashed the .1 microwin stuff on my tux, and it worket to the extent that it has been developed to. tha later stuff is broke, but downloading the CVS stuff and building it is a good excercise in tuxing. |
| 02:26:46 | jacques | RedBaron: ok, thanks. X is in same boat |
| 02:26:50 | Hiraghm | nor does the 0.2 binary |
| 02:27:21 | Hiraghm | GPS, but at the moment I don't have CVS or a linux box to cross compile on either one, so that'll have to wait |
| 02:27:33 | RedBaron | jacques: No prob. I loaded it yesterday and was wondering why nanox was spewing out lots of error messages...constantly. *chuckle* I didnt know there was a kernel change |
| 02:28:07 | jacques | RedBaron: yeah, the kernel api change has stopped a lot of projects cold it seems |
| 02:28:36 | Hiraghm | my next related project, probably, will be to set my O2 up for cross-compiling (I may have CVS on it, now that I t hink about it... |
| 02:29:02 | Hiraghm | bounces up and down impatiently |
| 02:29:15 | scanline | Hiraghm: take a look at http://www.enemy.org/gallery/movies.shtml |
| 02:30:12 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: ah, now the fun begins. setting up a linux sytem is part of the fun of tuxscreens. esp. if you haven't done it before. finding a toolchain that you like and works for you is also important. onde you've done that you have a system that you can use to port other stuff as you like. you can do the same with your O2 and be the first to around here to have an SGI xcompile envoironment. |
| 02:30:45 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: that would really be cool! |
| 02:31:28 | Hiraghm | oh, I used to run RH 5.2, 6.0 and Mandrake 7.0 |
| 02:31:58 | Hiraghm | what would be cool, O2 cross-dev environment? |
| 02:32:34 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: great place to start, untill 3 weeks ago, my last experience with free unix-like os's was netBSD. |
| 02:33:07 | Hiraghm | FreeBSD was on sale the other night at compusa for 50 bucks. How's it differ from linux? |
| 02:34:03 | RedBaron | Heh. Sweet. Finaly got around to getting networking running on my tux. |
| 02:34:19 | Hiraghm | oooh |
| 02:34:46 | Hiraghm | pokes GPSFan |
| 02:34:50 | GPSFan | RedBaron: great! 3.3V ethernet card of 5V hack? |
| 02:35:04 | Morn | peeks in again. |
| 02:35:07 | Morn | How is everyone? |
| 02:35:12 | Hiraghm | waves near Morn |
| 02:35:18 | Hiraghm | dunno yet |
| 02:35:22 | Hiraghm | will know in a minuet |
| 02:35:42 | RedBaron | GPSFan: The Kingston 3.3V that BZFlag likes to sell. |
| 02:35:59 | RedBaron | Morn: Heyas. doing fine. How about you? |
| 02:36:00 | Morn | I got a LinkSys PCM100 to work with the tux |
| 02:36:12 | Morn | it's a 5v card though, had to do the hack |
| 02:36:18 | GPSFan | Morn: got my trusty old MHz ethernet card going, with nfs, but haven't figured out pivot_root yet. |
| 02:36:29 | Morn | RedBaron: I'm ok, trying to find a bug in transcode |
| 02:36:49 | Morn | GPSFan: mount the nfs partion somewhere say /mnt/root |
| 02:36:54 | GPSFan | RedBaron: ah no hack neccessary. |
| 02:37:04 | Morn | then pivot_root /mnt/root /mnt/root/old/root |
| 02:37:34 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Nope. No hack. I'll get around to doing the 5V and the sound hack sometime soon. |
| 02:37:39 | GPSFan | Morn: what should the remote file system look like, now I just have an empty directory. |
| 02:38:02 | Morn | GPSFan: I got the familiar boot filesystem and used that to start |
| 02:38:08 | Morn | then installed a bunch of other stuff |
| 02:38:17 | Hiraghm | yez! |
| 02:38:23 | Hiraghm | Can I have a "yes you didit!" |
| 02:38:26 | Morn | thinks she should write this up. |
| 02:38:32 | GPSFan | Morn: gotcha, |
| 02:38:53 | BZFlag | RedBaron: sold all the cio10t's I'm going to. ;-) |
| 02:39:25 | Morn | beats her head against the desk. |
| 02:39:25 | RedBaron | Ah. Okay. The Kingston cards that BZFlag *used* to like to sell. :) |
| 02:39:32 | BZFlag | grins |
| 02:39:34 | Morn | why would the program hang on exit(0); |
| 02:39:49 | GPSFan | BZFlag: i used an ancient MHz CC10BT and it works fine with my 5V hack and one software mod. |
| 02:40:50 | RedBaron | goes back to work on the ancient 486 laptop he got for free from a friend. |
| 02:42:04 | Hiraghm | uhm |
| 02:42:07 | Hiraghm | I got picogui working |
| 02:42:15 | Hiraghm | does that count for anything? |
| 02:42:18 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: cool |
| 02:42:26 | Hiraghm | cheerz |
| 02:42:28 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: congrat's |
| 02:44:50 | Hiraghm | uhm |
| 02:44:51 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 02:44:58 | Hiraghm | I was just looking at some themes at the picogui page |
| 02:45:06 | Hiraghm | I don't spose the binaries of them would work on a tux, huh? |
| 02:46:21 | scanline | Hiraghm: Actually, yes. the theme binaries are cross-platform |
| 02:46:39 | Hiraghm | coo |
| 02:46:53 | scanline | However, beware that yesterday (i think) i had to change the request packet format, so older pgservers will not load the new themes |
| 02:48:27 | Hiraghm | sokay, the nifty one that interested me is dated dec 15 |
| 02:49:29 | Hiraghm | now if I had a clue where to put it |
| 02:49:30 | Hiraghm | grins |
| 03:00:57 | scanline | nifty theme or pgserver? |
| 03:01:31 | Hiraghm | ponders |
| 03:01:43 | Hiraghm | well, since picogui is running, I figure pgserver is already there? |
| 03:01:51 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:01:59 | Hiraghm | in any event, I meant the nifty3d.th theme |
| 03:01:59 | scanline | you're using GoRK's jffs images? |
| 03:02:08 | Hiraghm | I guess |
| 03:02:24 | Hiraghm | the 0.1 image in tuxscreen/downloads/picogui etc |
| 03:02:30 | scanline | Well, nifty3d doesn't look great in 8 bit color |
| 03:02:52 | Hiraghm | okay |
| 03:03:39 | scanline | By default those jffs2 images load pseudo3d.th and bg_tuxscreen.th |
| 03:05:22 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 03:05:56 | scanline | oh yeah, and it also uses term_fogstreaks.th |
| 03:06:20 | scanline | GoRK stuck some extra themes in there that it doesn't use by default, you can configure it by editing /etc/pgserver.conf |
| 03:06:40 | Hiraghm | kay |
| 03:06:59 | Hiraghm | so can the tuxscreen dial out yet? |
| 03:07:06 | Hiraghm | connect via modem to the internet? |
| 03:07:09 | scanline | The 'omnibar' launcher used in the jffs image is an outdated hack though. The new PicoGUI Launcher (PGL) is almost ready for prime time |
| 03:07:19 | scanline | No, there aren't any modem drivers yet |
| 03:07:25 | scanline | but you can use ethernet |
| 03:07:26 | Hiraghm | yea! |
| 03:07:37 | Hiraghm | no I can't I don't have a pc-card ethernet adapter yet |
| 03:08:31 | scanline | Well, no web browser yet |
| 03:08:47 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 03:08:49 | Hiraghm | Opera |
| 03:08:50 | Hiraghm | Mozilla |
| 03:08:51 | scanline | PicoGUI's browser is still early on in development, and Microwindows' ViewML doesn't work on the tuxscreen yet |
| 03:08:56 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 03:09:07 | scanline | However, X-Chat works on PicoGUI now |
| 03:09:13 | Hiraghm | yeah, I saw that |
| 03:09:24 | scanline | i haven't tried it on tuxscreen yet |
| 03:12:40 | GPSFan | scanline: where is X-chat for picogui? it's not in th apps section of the CVS? |
| 03:13:35 | scanline | GPSFan: The source tree is pretty big, so we started a new 'ports' section and put it in there |
| 03:14:08 | GPSFan | scanline: found it, thanks |
| 03:14:15 | scanline | Also makes sense, since all the 'apps' programs were written specifically for picogui |
| 03:19:04 | Hiraghm | brb |
| 03:19:28 | Hiraghm | back |
| 03:21:43 | Hiraghm | hello? |
| 03:22:07 | scanline | hi |
| 03:37:44 | Hiraghm | so.. games |
| 03:38:15 | scanline | not many games yet |
| 03:38:27 | scanline | mainly microwindows has Snake and picogui has Blackout |
| 03:38:36 | Hiraghm | grins evilly |
| 03:38:51 | Hiraghm | y'know, there was this site I came across awhile back |
| 03:38:56 | scanline | we also have Battleship for picogui but the version in CVS runs very slowly |
| 03:39:09 | Hiraghm | had C++ sourcecode examples of simple 2d games including networking |
| 03:39:15 | Hiraghm | nods thoughtfully |
| 03:39:30 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: no FPU no bzflag would be dog slow. I get like 6fps on an ipaq for a 256x192 window. ;-) |
| 03:39:47 | Hiraghm | but that's BZFlag |
| 03:39:56 | Hiraghm | isn't BZFlag 3d? or at least pseudo 3D? |
| 03:40:04 | BZFlag | heh. what did you expect? yeah. it's opengl |
| 03:40:05 | scanline | Hehe. and BZFlag says "what, there are other games?" |
| 03:40:08 | Hiraghm | doesn't think there's a port of BZFlag for irix |
| 03:40:19 | BZFlag | whacks scanline ;-) |
| 03:40:29 | scanline | ow :) |
| 03:40:32 | Hiraghm | BZ, do you ever visit the NeHe site? |
| 03:40:36 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: huh? it started on irix. of course it works there. |
| 03:40:51 | Hiraghm | blink |
| 03:40:56 | Hiraghm | blinks again |
| 03:41:01 | Hiraghm | I'll have to go searching |
| 03:41:31 | BZFlag | I fixes doom for the ipaq, so it should run well on the tux. I did the X version though, would have to add fb support perhaps. |
| 03:41:34 | Hiraghm | there's a new version of glut on the freeware site I think I need to DL |
| 03:41:37 | BZFlag | er fixed. |
| 03:41:48 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: NeHe? |
| 03:42:13 | Hiraghm | Neon Helium? The OpenGL tutorial site? |
| 03:42:50 | Hiraghm | http://nehe.gamedev.net/ |
| 03:43:25 | GPSFan | scanline: any tips on configuring xchat? I got the sources from cvs. will it build if I make for picogui? or do I have to do it by hand? |
| 03:43:59 | scanline | GPSFan: "./configure; make" should work fine. the binary will end up in src/fe-picogui/xchat-picogui |
| 03:44:08 | GPSFan | ok. |
| 03:45:50 | BZFlag | is back from his first ever nehe visit. |
| 03:46:02 | BZFlag | wonders if the site is funded my microsoft |
| 03:46:32 | BZFlag | how to program in Microsoft's distorted view of OpenGL |
| 03:47:02 | Hiraghm | nope, not funded by MS |
| 03:47:09 | Hiraghm | whatcha mean by that, though? |
| 03:47:22 | BZFlag | step one: insure that you are never going to be portable to any other opengl platform by using the Direct3d "extensions" |
| 03:47:52 | Hiraghm | eep |
| 03:48:03 | Hiraghm | what D3D extensions, though? the wgl functions? |
| 03:48:07 | BZFlag | step 2: make sure you explicitly open the M$ dlls by name (which won't exist anywhere else) |
| 03:48:24 | Hiraghm | hehe. you must have looked at his base code 8c) |
| 03:48:45 | scanline | I know someone ported the HeNe tutorials to SDL |
| 03:48:57 | BZFlag | step 3: all you input should be through directx and all audio and music output as well. |
| 03:48:59 | scanline | likes SDL |
| 03:49:04 | GPSFan | scanline: it got to making all in fe-picogui and barfed on something in fe-picogui.h |
| 03:49:13 | Hiraghm | yeah, some of them have been ported to all kinds of systems |
| 03:49:24 | scanline | GPSFan: What exactly did it barf on? |
| 03:50:07 | scanline | GPSFan: It uses some pretty new features of PicoGUI so you may need to update the client lib |
| 03:50:07 | BZFlag | the point is that even though there seems to be a lot of good content there, it is teaching M$ bastardized opengl, NOT OpenGL. |
| 03:50:34 | BZFlag | wonders if he should say what he really thinks.... ;-) |
| 03:50:41 | Hiraghm | nods at BZFlag |
| 03:50:50 | GPSFan | scanline: the first error message is fe-picogui.c:35: picogui.h: no such file or directory |
| 03:50:53 | scanline | Right, it sounds like what M$ is trying to do with Java |
| 03:51:08 | Hiraghm | BZ, please do. I don't have anything to do with the site and I'd rather an honest opinion. |
| 03:51:20 | scanline | GPSFan: Oh, that would be a big error :) You need to install the PIcoGUI client library |
| 03:51:51 | GPSFan | scanline: ah makes sense. is it in the pico cvs too? |
| 03:52:25 | scanline | GPSFan: Yeah, it's the 'cli_c' module |
| 03:52:35 | BZFlag | scanline: exactly. add a checkmark for the "standard", "extend" it so code written to our view will not work anywhere else. avoid use of some common portion and then provide a broken implementation of that so code written elsewhere will not work here. |
| 03:52:42 | BZFlag | it's worked for M$ so far. |
| 03:53:26 | GPSFan | scanline: that got installed when I made picogui from buildroot, maybe a path problem? |
| 03:53:34 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: I was kidding. I am saying what I think ;-) |
| 03:54:40 | BZFlag | actually, The site can be very useful from what I see and I will spend some more time there. I just sense that the authors have been drawn unknowingly to the dark side. |
| 03:56:41 | scanline | GPSFan: Prolly... I guess buildroot installed cli_c in staging_dir? |
| 03:57:39 | GPSFan | scanline: it is installed in the buildroot-tux/picogui/cli_c directory. |
| 03:58:22 | scanline | GPSFan: is that the source code or the finished libpgui.so? |
| 03:59:08 | scanline | GPSFan: BTW, are you compiling this for your desktop machine or the tuxscreen? |
| 03:59:14 | GPSFan | scanline: source |
| 03:59:20 | Hiraghm | BZ, entirely likely. doubt he even knows another os |
| 04:01:06 | BZFlag | there are "tutorial" for installing on mac and solaris at least. |
| 04:02:37 | Hiraghm | yop |
| 04:02:44 | Hiraghm | and ports to irix and other oses too. some |
| 04:03:16 | GPSFan | scanline: the picogui.h that it is looking for appears to be in /buildroot-tux/picogui/cli_c/include |
| 04:04:32 | scanline | GPSFan: Are you cross-compiling for tuxscreen or just trying to test it on your desktop box? |
| 04:04:55 | GPSFan | scanline: x compiling it for tux |
| 04:06:06 | scanline | GPSFan: There should be an option to ./configure to look for libraries and headers in some other directory |
| 04:06:24 | GPSFan | scanline: ok, I'll look there |
| 04:06:39 | scanline | GPSFan: What ./configure options did you use to build it for the Tux? |
| 04:08:04 | GPSFan | scanline: uhh I just typed ./configure; make like you said, I guess I needed to edit configure and do some stuff first. ;>0 |
| 04:09:41 | scanline | GPSFan: Yeah, i assumed you were building natively. Cross-compiling requires some command line options and environment vars for configure |
| 04:10:28 | scanline | I actually haven't done much with buildroot, i usually just copy over individual binaries for testing. Maybe someone else here has good advice about cross-compiling with buildroot? |
| 04:10:56 | scanline | For the header files, just installing the cli_c natively should get you a picogui.h in /usr/local/include |
| 04:11:02 | GPSFan | scanline: I was trying to xcompile it since I couldn't find any binaries. |
| 04:11:21 | scanline | Right, i don't think anyone's tested X-Chat on the tuxscreen yet |
| 04:11:25 | GPSFan | scanline: I've built picogui and it runs on the tux. |
| 04:13:05 | GPSFan | scanline: from sources that is. so I thought that x-chat would build too if it was in the right directory structure. I guess that's true only if buildroot does the building. |
| 04:14:02 | GPSFan | scanline: I thought that Tangent had a IRC program working on his tux. |
| 04:14:35 | scanline | He was running X off a microdrive |
| 04:14:48 | GPSFan | scanline: ah |
| 04:23:52 | scanline | should probably try X-Chat on his tuxscreen soon... |
| 04:28:29 | GPSFan | scanline: x-chat would make tux an IRC appliance, it could sit there in the kitchen letting you chat with the world while on the phone. |
| 04:28:48 | Hiraghm | or while waiting for the fudge to boil |
| 04:29:00 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: or burn. |
| 04:29:41 | scanline | heh. Yeah, an IRC client would be a pretty cool app. Add PicoGUI + X-Chat + a graphical network setup proggie + LPP and you'd have a sweet system |
| 04:30:53 | GPSFan | scanline: could all that fit in the 4M flash? |
| 04:31:02 | bbeattie | 'lo |
| 04:31:09 | bbeattie | is tim around?? |
| 04:31:10 | Hiraghm | waves near bbeattie |
| 04:31:14 | scanline | GPSFan: definitely |
| 04:31:18 | Hiraghm | I've heard he's kinda round |
| 04:31:25 | GPSFan | scanline: ;>)) |
| 04:31:32 | bbeattie | Hiraghm: are you tim? |
| 04:31:51 | scanline | GPSFan: Though in its current state X-Chat is about as big as pgserver... it would be nice if we could trim it down some |
| 04:31:55 | bbeattie | isn't sure which nick he goes by... |
| 04:32:12 | GPSFan | scanline: does it do uclibc? |
| 04:32:16 | scanline | Either that, or apply the frontend code we write for X-Chat to another IRC backend |
| 04:32:20 | scanline | GPSFan: I don't know yet |
| 04:32:41 | scanline | If it doesn't do uClibc, we'll hack it up so it does :) |
| 04:33:03 | scanline | bbeattie: Tim Riker == BZFlag |
| 04:33:13 | bbeattie | ahh,ok. |
| 04:33:29 | GPSFan | scanline: pgserver is only 350k. that's not bad. |
| 04:34:00 | scanline | GPSFan: Well, it could be better. Used to be only 60k or so... |
| 04:34:12 | scanline | Then again, back when pgserver was 60k it didn't run much |
| 04:34:21 | GPSFan | scanline: oooo! that's a big difference. |
| 04:34:29 | scanline | well, 60k on x86 |
| 04:34:32 | bbeattie | I'm looking into a tux screen for the purpose of a fun hack, and also is looking to build a in-car navigation with gpsdrive, mp3 player, and dvd player, and needs a good small box, what is the tuxscreen capible of? I havn't seen any info about anyone getting sound working on it, and a 206mhz sa chip isn't enough for dvd, but what about being able to get mp3's working, and gpsdrive? |
| 04:34:40 | scanline | A minimally configured recent pgserver is about 150k |
| 04:34:46 | scanline | (on x86) |
| 04:35:18 | GPSFan | scanline: ok |
| 04:35:53 | scanline | bbeattie: With a small hardware modification it can do sound. It has a ucb1200 chip that can do audio playback, and MP3 players work fine on the CPU. However, as-is the outputs of the ucb1200 aren't connected |
| 04:36:10 | GPSFan | bbeattie: sound works with a hardware hack, gpsdrive runs on an ipaq so should be ok on a tux with a bit of work. |
| 04:36:29 | GPSFan | bbeattie: flite runs ok on a tux. |
| 04:36:44 | bbeattie | flite? |
| 04:36:50 | bbeattie | GPSFan: is that what you use? |
| 04:37:12 | GPSFan | bbeattie: flite : http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/ |
| 04:37:57 | GPSFan | bbeattie: I want to get gpsdrive going, but a tux's screen won't be visable in a car, too dim. |
| 04:38:39 | bbeattie | GPSFan: do dim? how so? nost lcd's are visible just fine, is tuxscreen not a normal lcd? |
| 04:41:13 | GPSFan | bbeattie: tux's LCD is a color DSTN, with a 1 tube backlight. there are circumstances where you might be able to see it outside (in a car) but under most daytime conditions it is too dim. I used to build sunlight readable displays, and we had 30Watts of backlight. |
| 04:41:15 | Hiraghm | oh, sorry was on other screen. No, I'm not Tim. Tim usually knows what he's talking about 8c) |
| 04:42:17 | bbeattie | how "good" of an lcd is the LM8V31 screen? it's too dim for car use? |
| 04:44:22 | bbeattie | ok, got the message after I sent mine, :-) irc lag, |
| 04:44:24 | Russ | bbeattie: you know how to adjust the brightness and contrast, right? |
| 04:44:50 | bbeattie | Russ: I don't have one yet, but I'm picking one up *if I can get tim* before the next SLLUG meeting this next wed. |
| 04:45:14 | GPSFan | bbeattie: first off, a the sharp LCD in the tux is DSTN, compared to active matrix it is poor at best. but much cheaper. any incident light on it will usually wash it out. there just isn't enough light comming out of the backlight to overcome the incident sunlight. |
| 04:46:29 | scanline | wonders if there's a way to rig a CRT up to the Tuxscreen... |
| 04:46:39 | Russ | could always put a sheild around it |
| 04:46:40 | bbeattie | GPSFan: even if it's down in the center console of the car, infront of the gear shifter? |
| 04:47:12 | bbeattie | how many colors does the screen do? just 256, or more? |
| 04:47:38 | scanline | I've done it before with the Dragonball EZ- you can tweak the LCD controller timing, generate Hsync and Vsync in software, and use some logic gates to interface it with VGA |
| 04:48:20 | Russ | 256 iirc |
| 04:48:32 | GPSFan | bbeattie: I'm sure there would be conditions where you would be able to see it just fine, but not all. a real sunlight readable display is readable in full direct sun. It's not just the backlight either, but the anti-reflection coatings on the display as well. |
| 04:48:34 | bbeattie | iirc? |
| 04:49:03 | Hiraghm | if I recall correctly |
| 04:49:05 | bbeattie | GPSFan: ok, |
| 04:49:14 | scanline | bbeattie: It has a 256 color pallete and a 12-bit DAC |
| 04:49:53 | bbeattie | scanline: so for dvd watching, pretty bad color? :-) |
| 04:50:15 | GPSFan | scanline: the way tux is setup, the timing isn't crt compatible. but the SA1100 can support an active matrix display which has crt-like timing. so one could re-do the fb driver, and combine the digital outputs into analog RGB's and possibly drive a CRT. |
| 04:51:56 | Hiraghm | hey, BZ |
| 04:52:00 | Russ | the main problem is I don't think you are going to get DVD quality mpeg decoding out of the sa1100 |
| 04:52:09 | scanline | GPSFan: Yup. Did you see my ez328vga driver for PicoGUI? The comment block at the top has a description and schematic |
| 04:52:14 | Hiraghm | could a 3d graphics library be built for the tux et al using a fixed-point library since they have no fpu? |
| 04:53:05 | bbeattie | can the lcd/touchscreen on the tuxscreen be disconnected, and hooked up to a linux box? for touchscreen and everything? |
| 04:53:36 | Hiraghm | blinks |
| 04:53:48 | Hiraghm | if you install linux on the tuxscreen it will be a linux box, yes? |
| 04:54:16 | GPSFan | scanline: no, i didn't , but I'lllook at it. |
| 04:54:46 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/video/ez328vga.c?rev=1.4&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 04:55:12 | GPSFan | scanline: uhh, thanks |
| 04:55:19 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:58:25 | GPSFan | scanline: that's a realhack, cool though. in the SA1100 version the sync's would be done in hardware the only analog part would be the D/A for each color. it would probably look nice on the screen too, you could do 800 x 600 i think. |
| 04:59:32 | Hiraghm | hey, could you install a GeForce3 Ti500 in the tux? |
| 05:00:37 | GPSFan | bbeattie: yes, the display can be easily detached, but the interface is the raw sharp DSTN LCD interface, so your linux box would have to have a LCD graphics comtroller card set up for that display. |
| 05:02:00 | Hiraghm | no GeForce3, then? |
| 05:02:06 | Hiraghm | looks around innocently |
| 05:02:11 | bbeattie | GPSFan: would say a laptop with a broken screen work? simply by hooking the tuxscreen lcd up to a standard laptop lcd connection? |
| 05:03:07 | scanline | standard laptop lcd? such a thing exists? |
| 05:04:15 | bbeattie | scanline: dunno much about lcd's :-) |
| 05:04:29 | GPSFan | bbeattie: an older low end laptop that had a 640 x 480 DSTN screen might have the same timings. there are several "standard" DSTN timing schemes, whereas most (new) active matrix displays have very similar timings. |
| 05:05:09 | bbeattie | is it possible at all to hook up a harddrive to a tuxscreen? |
| 05:05:35 | bbeattie | ie, not through the pcmcia slots? |
| 05:06:36 | GPSFan | bbeattie: yep several folks have ibm microdrives, and various size CF's, I have a 170MB PCMCIA disk. there is an unused interface which could in theory have an IDEtype HDD connected to it. it is 8 bits wide though. |
| 05:07:54 | bbeattie | GPSFan: I'm not familiar with 8 bit wide, what does that translate as? old HD's, or low throughput?> |
| 05:08:41 | GPSFan | bbeattie: i said ide type, I meant to say ide like interface. the ide interface we all know and love is 16 bits wide. |
| 05:10:53 | bbeattie | GPSFan: have you heard of anyone hooking up say a 10gig drive to a tuxscreen? |
| 05:12:24 | GPSFan | bbeattie: nope, I believe the toshiba 5G type 2 PCMCIA would work, and with a PCMCIA - IDE extender you might get one to work outside the box. be careful, the tux doesn't have much in the way of extra power in its wall wart. |
| 05:13:05 | bbeattie | GPSFan: any idea the cost of the 5G drive? |
| 05:14:01 | GPSFan | bbeattie: saw a prod announcement in Mobile Computing, about $500. |
| 05:14:38 | bbeattie | acks, |
| 05:14:51 | andersee | andersee fins |
| 05:15:04 | GPSFan | bbeattie: it's brand new, and that was MSRP, and it has no competition. |
| 05:15:55 | bbeattie | GPSFan: hrm, ok. what about an idea on the cost of a touchscreen lcd, that would be visible in car? |
| 05:16:43 | Morn | hey, I just tried it, my pcmcia ide card is seen by the tux screen |
| 05:16:58 | Hiraghm | why shouldn't it be? |
| 05:17:02 | Morn | now to see if I can format/mount the drive |
| 05:18:18 | GPSFan | bbeattie: this one might be a good choice, the FB driver may need tweaking to get the timing just right, but I've used the 800 x 600 version of this panel and it is very readable in sunlight. http://www.kyocera.com/lcd/graphichtml/h72waj80.html |
| 05:18:49 | Hiraghm | cost? |
| 05:19:31 | bbeattie | GPSFan: hooked up to the tuxscreen, or a computer? |
| 05:19:58 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: depends on volume, they don't want to sell one-offs so expect to pay about $2-400. which is a guess based on what I paid for a smple of their 800 x 600 panel. |
| 05:20:41 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 05:20:48 | GPSFan | bbeattie: that panelcould be hooked to a tux in place of the current panel. |
| 05:20:54 | Hiraghm | would cost a fortune, but then mebbe I could build my own subnotebook |
| 05:21:55 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: that panel would look like an ipaq's panel, except bigger. |
| 05:22:40 | Hiraghm | yeah |
| 05:22:44 | Hiraghm | exactly |
| 05:22:46 | Hiraghm | subnotebook |
| 05:22:51 | Hiraghm | beams a smile at GPSFan |
| 05:23:02 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: building one of anything from new current generation parts is expensive. |
| 05:23:07 | Hiraghm | yeah |
| 05:23:12 | Hiraghm | ever see the IBM PC110? |
| 05:23:40 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: especially if you are a little guy. the big guys get the stuff given to them for free. |
| 05:23:55 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: nno. |
| 05:23:58 | Hiraghm | of couse. |
| 05:24:23 | Hiraghm | oh. well, it's a 486 notebook pc that's about the size of a soda can |
| 05:24:55 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: ah, yes, it was only available in japan, wasnt' it? |
| 05:25:10 | Hiraghm | yeah, but some got over here |
| 05:25:35 | Hiraghm | I want a PC capable of OpenGL 3d graphics that's that big. |
| 05:25:56 | bbeattie | saw some 6x6x2 pc's at linux-works.com or linuxworks.com, that have up to gigahertz p3's in them, and dvd, for ~$900 |
| 05:26:08 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: wait 2-3 years and you will have one in your phone. |
| 05:26:23 | Hiraghm | gah |
| 05:26:37 | Hiraghm | I've seen the current crop of pdas and cell phones |
| 05:26:44 | Hiraghm | they all have the portrait form factor |
| 05:26:55 | Hiraghm | hey |
| 05:27:22 | Hiraghm | I wonder if I could stuff a current notebook's guts into a radio shack model 100 case and replace the display with one like you just showed |
| 05:27:25 | Hiraghm | ponders |
| 05:27:35 | bbeattie | do all touchscreens need special lcd inputs, or are some able to hookup to a normal computer, through 15pin video ports, or s-video, and take a ps-2 input for the touchscreen? |
| 05:27:36 | Hiraghm | I'd like that. |
| 05:29:34 | GPSFan | bbeattie: the tux lcd and screen are electrically seperate, the LCD has a 34 pin connector, the touch screen has only 4 pins. |
| 05:32:41 | bbeattie | GPSFan: ok, but what about other (non tuxscreens, that are availible? by others, sharp or whoever) |
| 05:33:42 | bbeattie | what are some good ones, or cost of low-end ones? |
| 05:34:13 | GPSFan | bbeattie: other what, LCD's touch screens? most oem displays don't have 15pin analog VGA interfaces. |
| 05:34:28 | BZFlag | many lcds have similar signal requirements that makes them somewhat interchangeable. the connectors or almost always different, the clock rates are different etc |
| 05:35:11 | GPSFan | bbeattie: these guys have some nice displays, not cheap though. http://www.shoreline-electronics.com/ |
| 05:35:18 | BZFlag | but the sa1100 can drive quite a few different panels, it should be possible to conver the tus to another panel, even one with different resolution |
| 05:35:51 | BZFlag | but it may require changing voltage levels on the outout which would require board work. |
| 05:35:59 | GPSFan | bbeattie: these guys sell surplus displays, you might check them out. http://earthlcd.com/video.htm |
| 05:36:07 | BZFlag | and it woulde definitely require kernel changes. |
| 05:37:10 | BZFlag | the tux does not have vga analog signaling. most laptops do, but most laptop displays are run off the digital signal which is then also converted to vga output. |
| 05:38:02 | BZFlag | GPSFan, bbeattie: heh, and see how much they would pay for the panel in the tux. ;-) I bet it's close if not more than $99 |
| 05:39:47 | GPSFan | BZFlag: OEM cost for the tux display in 10k quantities is probably in the order of $125US |
| 05:42:06 | BZFlag | there's a business plan for me. ;-) not one I'll take, but nice to have as a fallback. |
| 05:42:26 | BZFlag | still have 600 of em |
| 05:43:59 | GPSFan | I'm off to Zzzzzz land, night all. |
| 05:44:10 | andersee | night |
| 05:46:59 | BZFlag | andersee: what that your fin ? |
| 05:47:10 | BZFlag | s/what/was/ |
| 05:47:23 | andersee | heh |
| 05:47:46 | BZFlag | syns |
| 05:47:47 | andersee | bbeattie had acked, so I gave a fin |
| 05:48:56 | andersee | So are they giving you some time off from work? |
| 05:49:29 | BZFlag | heh. how was the trip? oh, and how's work? I know a local company looking for tcp/scsi optimization for thier hardware under linux. |
| 05:49:55 | BZFlag | yeah, I've been out all week, and probably some of this week. |
| 05:50:20 | BZFlag | which is not to say I've actually taken that time off, just that I have not done work at the office. |
| 05:50:31 | andersee | heh |
| 05:50:34 | BZFlag | I have my latest board sitting here on the table. |
| 05:50:38 | andersee | that kindof bites |
| 05:50:40 | BZFlag | got blob on it yesterday. |
| 05:51:01 | Russ | snickers at BZFlag |
| 05:51:12 | BZFlag | it's been ok, I figure the days I work are my choice and they are vacation days I can keep. |
| 05:51:33 | BZFlag | whacks Russ, ok, so it does not flash anything yet. ;-) |
| 05:51:57 | Russ | I'm just laughing at the sa1111 setup via jtag thing |
| 05:52:00 | andersee | As long as you don't ming getting divorced.... I think my wife would kill me... :) |
| 05:52:29 | Russ | BZFlag: so contracts like what you are working on now, are they easy to get? |
| 05:52:43 | bbeattie | andersee: sorry, was in another window, that's you erik, right? |
| 05:53:12 | BZFlag | Russ: this is Lineo stuff. they have been talking for months and not they want it done in a month. par for the course. |
| 05:54:19 | Russ | ah, wanted to figure out if I want to do perm or contract |
| 05:57:14 | bbeattie | BZFlag: I guess the question for the tuxscreen is that there is only an 8 bit ide-like connection, and the sound needs some hardware modification, |
| 05:57:59 | andersee | bbeattie: yup |
| 05:58:26 | BZFlag | bbeattie: a ide/pcmcia card should be fast enough for mp3 playback. |
| 05:58:51 | BZFlag | the shanip mods that are floating around should have line out from the sound hardware. |
| 05:59:35 | BZFlag | not sure if the quality would be high enough from the chip, but the madplay should handle high enough quality conversion. |
| 05:59:53 | bbeattie | BZFlag: how tough are the mods? something that requires some good EE knowledge, or basic soldering skills? |
| 06:01:22 | BZFlag | bbeattie: see the wiki. the solder points are small, but not micro. |
| 06:05:13 | andersee | bbeattie: GoRK has some nice PCB schematics all ready to go |
| 06:05:22 | bbeattie | BZFlag: would a tuxscreen be a good choice to do this, or would grabbing a junked p-90 and just adding a touchscreen lcd be a cheapre option? |
| 06:05:54 | bbeattie | andersee: yeah, I've pulled the schematics, |
| 06:07:50 | BZFlag | bbeattie: you will likely pay more for the touchscreen than for the tux |
| 06:08:12 | BZFlag | now perhaps a tux networked to a p90 might work. ;-) |
| 06:09:39 | bbeattie | BZFlag: the future of my project includes getting dvd into car system, but the tuxscreen doesn't have enough processing power to do dvd, is it possible at all to connect the tuxscreen lcd to a desktop system. |
| 06:14:36 | bbeattie | BZFlag: will you be at SLLUG this wednesday? |
| 06:19:30 | BZFlag | bbeattie: http://Cameron.Rikers.org/ - nope not likely. |
| 06:20:05 | BZFlag | hmm.. dvd playback on the tux screen.... |
| 06:20:18 | BZFlag | can't think of a cheap way to do that. |
| 06:20:44 | BZFlag | there are cards around that will drive the panel in the tux off a vga signal, but they are $$ |
| 06:20:49 | bbeattie | possible if I run a xclient remotly, and just have the tuxscreen to output? have a p2-800 running the dvd and just send video through the network to the tuxscreen? |
| 06:21:08 | BZFlag | if you are going to spend that kind of $$ then you should get a brighter panel for your trouble. |
| 06:21:15 | andersee | BZFlag: easy. But a flat panel to VGA adaptor. wire it up with a toggle switch or something to your desktop... ;) |
| 06:21:22 | andersee | s/But/Buy/ |
| 06:21:30 | BZFlag | dvd over X is no fun. |
| 06:21:52 | andersee | I expect that videolan might be able to do it |
| 06:21:58 | BZFlag | andersee: know of any for cheap? |
| 06:21:59 | bbeattie | BZFlag: have you heard of someone trying? |
| 06:22:20 | andersee | BZFlag: nah. the adaptors are all kindof pricey |
| 06:22:33 | BZFlag | andersee: I'm not convinced. 16 bit pcmcia interface, no FPU, 8 bit display. they all add up. |
| 06:22:48 | bbeattie | how much am I looking at to get a lcd touchscreen? |
| 06:23:14 | BZFlag | 1k ? |
| 06:23:40 | bbeattie | I could always get a 15 inch lcd for $170 @ costo, but touchscreen is a nice feature for a in-car system, with mp3, or gpsdrive, |
| 06:24:26 | bbeattie | bzflags: 1k for a touchscreen lcd? what size? |
| 06:25:08 | BZFlag | bbeattie: I'd have to look around, but I've seen some point of sale system displays in that range. |
| 06:26:54 | bbeattie | bzflags: ok, I tested a unit, can't remember who back at Lineo, the dev kit for the system was about $600, and it was a pc104, touchscreen lcd (5 inch) with ide and strongarm chips |
| 06:27:14 | bbeattie | bzflags: I can't remember who the unit was from,... |
| 06:29:41 | BZFlag | bbeattie: but you are in the same processing power camp as the tux |
| 06:30:06 | BZFlag | a vga/mouse display would work on a x86 system |
| 06:30:25 | BZFlag | of course there might be x86 bases kiosk systems that would work better. |
| 06:30:29 | bbeattie | BZFlag: vga/mouse display? |
| 06:31:01 | BZFlag | Some panel displays are setup for vga input and have a mouse connector from the touchscreen. |
| 06:31:13 | BZFlag | all to make them support a windows pc I'd say. |
| 06:31:38 | bbeattie | BZFlag: and those are the ones that run 1k? |
| 06:32:04 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 06:33:08 | bbeattie | BZFlag: hmm, my budget I'd like to keep closer to $300-$500, so maybe if I can't find a cheap touchscreen lcd, I'll go with a simple lcd, ($150) and then grab a graphics table, and put some decals on it for where things are possitioned. :-) |
| 06:33:42 | bbeattie | s/graphics table/graphic tablet |
| 06:34:55 | BZFlag | yep. keep me posted. I'm curious. ;-) you won't beat the price on a tux + shanip mod. ;-) |
| 06:36:58 | bbeattie | BZFlag: yes, the price is good, it's a switchoff between having just mp3, or trying to get dvd working too... I'll keep you posted, if you see a cheap touchscreen lcd with mouse and vga 15pin connection, save the url. |
| 06:38:05 | BZFlag | will do |
| 06:38:31 | bbeattie | BZFlag: the lcd/touchscreen lcd doesn't detach and work well with standard vga/mouse correct? |
| 06:39:20 | jacques | andersee: hi! |
| 06:39:44 | BZFlag | bbeattie: on the tux? no. there is no vga/mouse hardware. |
| 06:40:09 | andersee | jacques: hi! |
| 06:40:10 | BZFlag | you mean the 1k panel? yes it is a drop in replacement for a standard display/mouse |
| 06:40:10 | bbeattie | ok, |
| 06:40:21 | andersee | jacques: nice work getting that FAQ put together |
| 06:40:34 | bbeattie | BZFlag: thanks for in the info, it's late, so I'm off to bed. *wave* |
| 06:40:49 | jacques | andersee: thanks - I was expecting to get feedback - I know I forgot some stuff - I wonder if anyone has actually tried it |
| 06:40:58 | BZFlag | faq? |
| 06:41:17 | jacques | howto |
| 06:42:14 | jacques | i wish i had the talent to get the touchscreen working |
| 06:43:38 | jacques | xfree with 2.4.16 would be sweet |
| 06:43:43 | andersee | BZFlag: howto build X with uClibc.... http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//BuildingTinyX |
| 06:47:34 | BZFlag | gets sick of having 5 simultanouos conversations. this muct be what a cpu feels like task swapping all the time. |
| 06:48:01 | BZFlag | andersee: ahh, and I was looking for a wiki page called "FAQ" ;-) |
| 06:48:27 | jacques | heh |
| 06:48:35 | jacques | if i get feedback i will make a faq :-D |
| 06:48:39 | andersee | BZFlag: buy more registers |
| 06:48:49 | jacques | but so far i have gotten no Q |
| 06:48:56 | jacques | andersee: that's what I was going to say |
| 06:52:59 | BZFlag | jacques: can the .cf files be moved to the TuxScreen site? |
| 06:53:20 | jacques | BZFlag: please move whatever you like |
| 06:53:52 | jacques | BZFlag: actually I'm not sure how handhelds.org would feel about the fact that I have that stuff there anyway |
| 06:54:08 | jacques | tho the x source is useful for ipaq too |
| 06:54:15 | jacques | and the config files take almost no room |
| 06:54:22 | jacques | and the xtoolchain works for ipaq too |
| 06:54:42 | jacques | but i am a believer in having things in multiple places |
| 06:54:50 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzz |
| 06:55:38 | jacques | my new xtoolchain compiles X even with ITSYCOMPILERBUG undefined! |
| 06:58:19 | BZFlag | jacques: you have a SF account with TuxScreen rights right? |
| 06:59:35 | jacques | BZFlag: hmm, I have a sf account but noth sure about the rights part |
| 07:00:40 | jacques | my sf account is djf |
| 07:00:55 | jacques | i've never used it for much |
| 07:18:30 | andersee | night all |
| 07:21:16 | Russ | heh, predator on southpark |
| 07:21:53 | jacques | sigh |
| 07:21:56 | jacques | i miss having cable |
| 07:22:47 | jacques | my tivo used to record southpark for me |
| 07:22:58 | jacques | now it just records static |
| 10:08:38 | | 64 |
| 10:08:38 | Russ | ibot: 3840 / 60 |
| 10:56:22 | | jacques: what? |
| 10:56:22 | jacques | ibot: 1 / 0 |
| 10:56:51 | | jacques: excuse me? |
| 10:56:51 | jacques | ibot: 1 / (1 - 1) |
| 11:15:30 | | 9999999999999 |
| 11:15:30 | Russ | ibot: 1 / (1 / 9999999999999) |
| 11:15:42 | | 1e-21 |
| 11:15:42 | Russ | ibot: 1 / 999999999999999999999 |
| 11:15:49 | | Russ: what? |
| 11:15:49 | Russ | ibot: 1 / 1e-35 |
| 11:15:55 | | Russ: huh? |
| 11:15:55 | Russ | ibot: 1 / 1e55 |
| 11:16:02 | | 1e-52 |
| 11:16:02 | Russ | ibot: 1 / 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 11:16:06 | | 1e-98 |
| 11:16:06 | Russ | ibot: 1 / 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 11:16:10 | | 1e-100 |
| 11:16:10 | Russ | ibot: 1 / 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 11:16:13 | Russ | heh |
| 11:16:24 | | 1.49167115786172e-230 |
| 11:16:24 | Russ | ibot: 1 / 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 11:16:32 | Russ | g-dam |
| 11:16:42 | | Russ: what? |
| 11:16:42 | Russ | ibot: 1.49167115786172e-230 + 1 |
| 11:17:05 | | 1 |
| 11:17:05 | Russ | ibot: 1 + (1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 9999999999999999) |
| 11:17:13 | | 1e+16 |
| 11:17:13 | Russ | ibot: 1 / (1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 9999999999999999) |
| 11:17:48 | | Russ: huh? |
| 11:17:48 | Russ | ibot: 1 / (1 + ( 1 / 999999999999999999999999) - 1) |
| 11:17:54 | Russ | damn |
| 11:18:16 | | Russ: sorry... |
| 11:18:16 | Russ | ibot: sqrt(4) |
| 13:18:10 | Morn | are you tormenting the poor bot? |
| 13:35:04 | Russ | sorry |
| 13:49:59 | Morn | tis ok |
| 13:50:17 | Morn | debates trying some more today to track down this bug in transcode... |
| 14:41:41 | signal11 | is the tux screen memory expansion working with linux? |
| 15:17:57 | signal11 | is there another split? |
| 16:07:54 | RedBaron | Good morning |
| 16:09:01 | signal11 | mornin |
| 16:09:05 | scanline | is back (gone 09:14:15) |
| 16:24:20 | Morn | ugh! |
| 16:24:27 | Morn | beats her head against the wall. |
| 16:34:41 | Morn | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 16:34:47 | Morn | how are you this fine morning? |
| 16:35:58 | prpplague | 's coffee cup vibrates with the impact of Morn's head on the wall |
| 16:36:08 | Morn | giggle... |
| 16:36:14 | Morn | It's one of those mornings... |
| 16:36:39 | Morn | 2 bugs and 1 idealogical(sp?) argument |
| 16:36:42 | prpplague | ya mine as well, not that i'm back from barbados, i have about 10meg things to do |
| 16:36:51 | prpplague | s/not/now |
| 16:37:25 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Good..... I'm still having keyboard problems, but thats nothing I can't live with |
| 16:37:58 | Morn | Sometimes I hate writing web based stuff (frames drive me nuts) |
| 16:39:35 | Morn | it takes a little while to open a folder with 70k+ messages via imap for the first time |
| 16:42:10 | CosmicPenguin | Woohoo - They just killed the project that would never die.... |
| 16:42:48 | Morn | kill -9 projectthatwontdie |
| 16:52:03 | scanline | is away: circuits final |
| 17:26:22 | kernelwork | checks for a pulse in #tuxscreen and finds nothing... |
| 17:36:14 | AlHazWork | boo |
| 17:37:34 | Morn | boo hoo? |
| 17:39:51 | Morn | hi Tim |
| 17:40:03 | BZFlag | morn. ;-) |
| 17:41:29 | AlHazWork | mornin tim |
| 17:48:22 | kernelwork | Anything new around? |
| 17:58:23 | AlHazWork | just Cameron, iirc |
| 18:20:26 | bbeattie | has anyone here done the hardware modifications to get the tuxscreen to play mp3's, or sound out of a 3.5mm audio jack? |
| 18:22:05 | AlHazWork | might be neat to have mp3 music-on-hold, since i have ~10gb of mp3s . . . . |
| 18:22:49 | AlHazWork | http://www.hal-9000.net/wwwboard/images/calvin.jpg |
| 18:25:34 | bbeattie | I'm wondering how good of audio quality I would get out of the tuxscreen with the audio modification for the soiund-out on a 3.5mm audio jack, if it's as good as "standard" soundcards, or if it's going to be lower quality. |
| 18:28:28 | AlHazWork | it's going to be monaural, iirc |
| 18:28:35 | AlHazWork | I've not personally tried it |
| 18:28:51 | AlHazWork | mp3 decoding would be with libmad, which uses only fixed point math |
| 18:28:55 | bbeattie | there is no wa to get stereo sound out of the tuxscreen? |
| 18:29:08 | AlHazWork | libmad works, and i don't think it's sound quality is bad, but the authors say it's not as good as it could be |
| 18:29:31 | AlHazWork | I think the ucb1200 doesn't support it, you could concievably add a dac to the board somewhere |
| 18:29:40 | bbeattie | would it be possible to something like xmms working, or is that a long-shot? |
| 18:29:42 | AlHazWork | the ucb1200 is technically a modem front-end, iirc |
| 18:29:45 | AlHazWork | hell no |
| 18:29:54 | AlHazWork | well, maybe if xmms can decode through libmad |
| 18:30:08 | AlHazWork | most (almost all) mp3 decoders depend heavily on floating point math |
| 18:30:14 | AlHazWork | there's no floating point on arm |
| 18:30:15 | bbeattie | nope, I havn't seen anythign with xmms being able to do that |
| 18:30:45 | bbeattie | strong arms have no FPU at all? |
| 18:31:09 | AlHazWork | there is an xmms plugin for mad |
| 18:31:16 | AlHazWork | so it could concievably be done |
| 18:31:25 | AlHazWork | arms have no fpu at all, including strongarms |
| 18:31:26 | bbeattie | oh wait, someone did write an output for libmad from xmms |
| 18:31:44 | AlHazWork | the only arm floating point unit ever made was for a cirrus logic 7500 part, and it was slow anyway |
| 18:31:50 | AlHazWork | and it was end-of-lifed years ago |
| 18:32:26 | bbeattie | so with xmms using libmad, the tuxscreen could run xmms, correct? |
| 18:32:27 | AlHazWork | you'd have to use a cf card or something to run that off of, tho, I imagine. I can't picture gtk+, etc, fitting in 4 megs of flash |
| 18:32:53 | AlHazWork | yeah, probably. I don't know if the visualization bits would work very well, I'm not sure what they require in terms of cpu power |
| 18:33:23 | bbeattie | I'm planning on putting a pcmcia ide card into the system, and having the tuxscreen boot until it loads the drivers for pcmcia, then mount and run root off of the external harddrive, which will be 10 gig, |
| 18:33:47 | AlHazWork | you'll prolly need the 5v pcmcia hack |
| 18:33:58 | bbeattie | possibly, |
| 18:35:11 | AlHazWork | pcmcia sound cards exist, but none of them are supported on linux |
| 18:35:21 | AlHazWork | hey andersee, long time no see |
| 18:35:46 | andersee | heh, yeah, I've been pretty busy.... |
| 18:37:17 | andersee | AlHazWork: so hows it going? |
| 18:38:06 | AlHazWork | andersee: Oh, pretty alright. You see the pics of BZFlag's new kid? |
| 18:38:45 | andersee | yup |
| 18:39:23 | AlHazWork | how's stuff going for you? |
| 18:40:03 | andersee | Not too bad. I |
| 18:40:12 | andersee | Not too bad. I've been terribly busy of late |
| 18:40:53 | AlHazWork | yeah, that's what i heard. and traveling too, right? |
| 18:41:25 | andersee | yup, and travelling. Just got back from a week in finland and sweden |
| 18:42:18 | andersee | time to reboot into 2.4.17-rc1... |
| 18:56:30 | tomdacat | can someone tell me how to get into the bios of an older phone, bootloader v0.71?? |
| 18:58:32 | travis_143cw | just a general question for anyone, what is a good alternative to openAL for sound? |
| 19:15:48 | scanline | is back (gone 02:23:45) |
| 21:08:06 | Russ|werk | andersee: |
| 21:08:22 | Russ|werk | I've boiled down my serial console problem |
| 21:08:43 | Russ|werk | in static void new_initAction(initActionEnum action, char *process, char *cons) |
| 21:09:02 | Morn | Russ: you here? |
| 21:09:15 | Russ|werk | if (secondConsole == NULL && strcmp(cons, console) |
| 21:09:15 | Russ|werk | && strcmp(cons, "/dev/null")) |
| 21:09:26 | Russ|werk | this test is true, and the entry is ignorned |
| 21:09:27 | Russ|werk | Morn: ya? |
| 21:09:49 | Morn | any idea what this means... I'm trying to get a pcmcia controller working with the tux screen |
| 21:09:51 | Morn | and I get this |
| 21:10:13 | Morn | ide_cs: ide_register() at 0xf70000000 & 0xf700000000c, irq 48 failed |
| 21:13:33 | Russ|werk | is it a 5V card? |
| 21:13:37 | Russ|werk | andersee....? |
| 21:13:40 | Morn | I don't think so |
| 21:14:02 | Morn | hold on let me try it in the slot I did the 5v hack on |
| 21:14:32 | Russ|werk | don't kill it |
| 21:16:14 | Morn | I guess it is 5v |
| 21:16:19 | Morn | it sees the partitions now |
| 21:16:24 | Morn | not that it helps much |
| 21:16:30 | Morn | since I can't format them |
| 21:17:12 | andersee | Russ|werk: I'm here.... |
| 21:17:19 | andersee | Russ|werk: reading.... |
| 21:18:45 | Morn | well, I see the old windows files on this drive (it's out of my old laptop) |
| 21:18:49 | Morn | I guess it works |
| 21:19:08 | Russ|werk | coo' |
| 21:19:16 | Morn | now if I can repartition it and reformat I could have a 6 gig drive in the tux screen :-) |
| 21:19:30 | Morn | I'm gonna have to do the 5v hack on the other slot now |
| 21:20:00 | andersee | Russ|werk: Hmm... |
| 21:20:19 | andersee | Russ|werk: What exactly is the serial console problem you are having again? |
| 21:20:33 | Russ|werk | andersee: I have no second console (just ttySA0), cons = /dev/ttySA0, console=/dev/console |
| 21:20:48 | Russ|werk | andersee: it ignores the ttySA0::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 9600 vt100 entry |
| 21:20:50 | Russ|werk | it drops it |
| 21:21:07 | andersee | Russ|werk: Ahh, ok. I think I may know what the deal is. |
| 21:21:20 | Russ|werk | /* If BusyBox detects that a serial console is in use, |
| 21:21:20 | Russ|werk | * then entries not refering to the console or null devices will _not_ be run. |
| 21:21:20 | Russ|werk | * The exception to this rule is the null device. |
| 21:21:21 | Russ|werk | */ |
| 21:21:21 | Russ|werk | |
| 21:21:43 | Russ|werk | should I change the line to "console::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 9600 vt100 entry |
| 21:21:45 | andersee | right |
| 21:21:52 | Russ|werk | er, "console::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 9600 vt100" |
| 21:22:02 | andersee | ::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 9600 vt100 |
| 21:22:15 | Russ|werk | o |
| 21:22:21 | andersee | I think that should do it. |
| 21:23:16 | Russ|werk | also, when doing an exec() form init, the kernel thinks I'm killing init |
| 21:25:45 | andersee | Hmm. That sounds wrong. I _know_ init can do an exec, since sysvinit does that all the time. Are you sure the exec is not failing? |
| 21:26:41 | Russ|werk | right, but this is without a fork |
| 21:28:45 | andersee | Russ|werk: right. Just an exec so pid 1 restarts. That _should_ work. |
| 21:28:47 | Russ|werk | er.. |
| 21:28:50 | Russ|werk | hmm |
| 21:31:08 | andersee | Russ|werk: Are you sure that all file descriptors are closed before the exec? |
| 21:31:53 | Russ|werk | one sec... |
| 21:33:11 | Russ|werk | hmm...it looks like its working |
| 22:23:47 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 22:24:10 | Hiraghm | Hey, guys. |
| 22:24:22 | Hiraghm | I noticed that my tux thinks it's Jan 1, 1970 |
| 22:24:24 | Hiraghm | chuckles |
| 22:27:04 | Russ|werk | no clock |
| 22:27:15 | Russ|werk | it can get the info from the phone line though |
| 22:27:45 | Russ|werk | er, I think there is some kind of RTC somewhere |
| 22:28:25 | Russ|werk | andersee: ok, its working |
| 22:28:42 | Russ|werk | andersee: at somepoint, I'll have to replicate what you did for jffs2 for cramfs |
| 22:35:40 | andersee | Russ|werk: could you send that again -- was upstairs talking for a bit... |
| 22:40:42 | andersee | Russ|werk: that would be cool (fixing mkcramfs). I've already adjusted genext2fs. I hope that eventually all the mkfs's will support that type of thing. |
| 22:43:31 | Hiraghm | sighs disgustedly |
| 22:44:39 | Hiraghm | A few weeks ago I bought Lightwave 3D from Newtek... $2500 |
| 22:44:51 | Hiraghm | I just now found out about a December only offer of $995 |
| 22:45:08 | Hiraghm | kicks himself |
| 22:45:11 | Hiraghm | kicks Newtek |
| 22:45:41 | andersee | Hiraghm: can you still return it? |
| 22:45:46 | Hiraghm | I dunno. |
| 22:46:01 | Hiraghm | Hell, I'd settle for a credit for another Newtek product, even. |
| 22:46:33 | AlHazWork | ouch |
| 22:47:07 | AlHazWork | worst I've done is pay $95 for a cd-rom drive the day before the bottom fell out of the cd-rom drive market and faster ones started selling for $30 |
| 22:47:52 | Russ|werk | <insert hooker story here> |
| 22:49:12 | Hiraghm | heh |
| 22:49:18 | AlHazWork | <insert obligatory "I hardly knew 'er!" joke here> |
| 22:49:36 | signal11 | rectum? it nearly killed him |
| 22:50:04 | signal11 | i have no idea what that means |
| 22:54:49 | | My life is a patio of fun! |
| 22:54:49 | Russ|werk | ibot: yow |
| 22:55:26 | | AlHazWork: excuse me? |
| 22:55:26 | AlHazWork | ibot: doh |
| 22:55:33 | AlHazWork | hmm, no homerisms database in ibot |
| 22:55:48 | AlHazWork | <AlHazWork> doh! |
| 22:55:48 | AlHazWork | <Quipu> Oh, I love your magazine. My favorite section is 'How to Increase Your Word Power.' That thing is really, really, really...good. |
| 23:05:18 | Russ|werk | andersee: thats pretty handy for my board |
| 23:05:43 | Russ|werk | andersee: I do "make ftp" in my build, it makes a jffs2 image, uploads it, the board burns it, and reboots |
| 23:16:58 | andersee | sweet |
| 23:25:06 | Russ|werk | hmm...how do I get bb tar to make a tar on stdout |
| 23:25:21 | Russ|werk | I always get "tar: Creation of compressed tarfile not internally support by tar, pipe to busybox gunzip" |
| 23:25:30 | andersee | -O or -F - |
| 23:25:48 | andersee | oh. Don't give it the -z flag |
| 23:26:08 | Russ|werk | I don't |
| 23:26:26 | Russ|werk | # tar -c /etc/configs/* |
| 23:26:26 | Russ|werk | tar: Creation of compressed tarfile not internally support by tar, pipe to busybox gunzip |
| 23:28:55 | Russ|werk | arggghhh |
| 23:29:21 | | hmmm... i_bot is trying to take over the world. |
| 23:29:21 | Keyser | ibot: i_bot? |
| 23:30:53 | andersee | Russ|werk: tar -cO /etc/configs/* |
| 23:31:22 | Russ|werk | # tar -cO /etc/configs/* |
| 23:31:23 | Russ|werk | tar: Creation of compressed tarfile not internally support by tar, pipe to busybox gunzip |
| 23:31:23 | Russ|werk | - |
| 23:32:09 | Russ|werk | if I add a v, it hangs |
| 23:34:41 | Russ|werk | maybe I should add the gzip option to make it "happy" |
| 23:35:26 | Russ|werk | or disable it |
| 23:38:12 | Russ|werk | # tar -c /etc/configs/* |
| 23:38:12 | Russ|werk | Segmentation fault |
| 23:38:55 | andersee | Mind sending me your config? |
| 23:38:59 | CosmicPenguin | Ack - Perl.com uses Flash.... evil * evil! |
| 23:39:48 | Russ|werk | which file is that? |
| 23:40:01 | AlHazWork | flash isn't so evil, if they'd just have a static imagemap for the non-flash version of the site |
| 23:40:12 | AlHazWork | but nearly all the time it's flash or go the hell away |
| 23:40:36 | CosmicPenguin | Flash is evil because the current version of the Mozilla flash plugin blocks until /dev/dsp is unused.... |
| 23:40:58 | AlHazWork | that's pretty evil alright |
| 23:41:04 | CosmicPenguin | So I need to stop my MP3 stream to load flash enabed pages... |
| 23:41:23 | Russ|werk | andersee: which file is that? |
| 23:41:28 | CosmicPenguin | It is less evil in Galeon, because it doesn't load the flash plugin until it needs it..... |
| 23:41:28 | AlHazWork | I've been using the dac on my h+ dvd card for mp3 lately |
| 23:41:37 | AlHazWork | seems to have better filters than the old sbawe32 |
| 23:41:40 | CosmicPenguin | Mozilla blocks on startup.... |
| 23:42:08 | Russ|werk | $ tar -cf /tmp/tarball.tar /usr/local <- example on doc page |
| 23:42:36 | Russ|werk | # tar -cf /tmp/foo.tar /etc/configs |
| 23:42:36 | Russ|werk | tar: Removing leading '/' from member names |
| 23:43:27 | Russ|werk | tar -cf /tmp/foo.tar -C /etc/configs * <- works |
| 23:43:40 | Russ|werk | # tar -cf - -C /etc/configs * |
| 23:43:50 | Russ|werk | Segmentation fault |
