| 01:55:29 | cworth | later all. |
| 06:25:50 | andersee | BZFlag: hows the new little one? |
| 07:42:33 | Russ | havin some trouble tim? |
| 07:42:50 | BZFlag | keri and cameron came home today. the usual. eat, sleep, poop. lather, rinse, repeat. |
| 07:43:31 | BZFlag | Russ: hey. flash trouble, yeah. blob port was fine. |
| 07:43:34 | Russ | I meant with the idr |
| 07:43:35 | Russ | ya |
| 07:43:47 | BZFlag | trying to use intel16 but erase fails |
| 07:43:54 | BZFlag | does it work on clart? |
| 07:44:30 | BZFlag | Russ: the comment cameron comment was to andersee |
| 07:44:36 | BZFlag | pokes andersee |
| 07:45:06 | BZFlag | must be tired... s/comment cameron/cameron/ |
| 07:47:26 | BZFlag | Russ: you still there? thoughts? |
| 07:51:43 | BZFlag | whacks Russ |
| 07:52:22 | BZFlag | andersee: so, you back in town? |
| 08:00:10 | BZFlag | Russ: ugh data_to_flash. how can the possibly work on lart? /me ponders |
| 08:01:13 | BZFlag | so the memory mapping is altered. flash does not care, but commands come in jumbled? so you need to alter the commands to get the flash to respond? |
| 08:01:51 | BZFlag | this also means that data preprogrammed onto flash that will be installed into a lart needs to be bitmangled as well? |
| 08:02:42 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzz |
| 08:02:52 | BZFlag | well, I'm programming my flash with an external burner (EMP-30). moving the flash chip back and forth for each test. (ugh) |
| 08:02:56 | Russ | what are you trying te figure out? |
| 08:03:03 | BZFlag | also noticed that reblob does not. |
| 08:03:13 | BZFlag | why it won't flash anything. |
| 08:03:22 | Russ | the external burner would probably have to mangle in some way |
| 08:03:30 | Russ | do you have schematics? |
| 08:03:40 | BZFlag | for the idr? yeah. |
| 08:04:08 | BZFlag | I am not mangling on the burner and the flashed blob works just fine so I don't think I've got the lart issue. |
| 08:04:35 | Russ | but you need to know how many bits to shift addresses and all that |
| 08:04:43 | Russ | ie, A0 probably isn't hooked up |
| 08:05:11 | Russ | but in 2x configuration, A0 and A1 aren't hooked up |
| 08:06:13 | BZFlag | it has one 28F128J3A at the lower 16M |
| 08:07:43 | BZFlag | yes, A0 goes to ground. |
| 08:09:11 | Russ | so realize the difference from 2x when A1 isn't connected either |
| 08:10:50 | GoRK | BZFlag: congrats, man |
| 08:11:04 | Russ | maybe if you make a blob diag function to read the CFI id in umpteen different ways ala mtd |
| 08:11:15 | GoRK | BZFlag: i had not yet heard about your new release |
| 08:11:43 | andersee | BZFlag: hey , I'm back |
| 08:11:57 | andersee | was watching tv for a change... been a few months |
| 08:12:13 | GoRK | andersee: i could have saved you the trouble. it's still the same crap |
| 08:12:18 | andersee | heh |
| 08:12:26 | andersee | yeah, so I've noticed... |
| 08:13:49 | BZFlag | GoRK: thanks. as always available for download on the net. ;-) http://cameron.rikers.org/ |
| 08:14:05 | Russ | there in *nothing* on tv atm |
| 08:14:47 | Russ | BZFlag: what are you doing behind a crappy box? |
| 08:15:32 | BZFlag | heh. avoiding lame root shell script kiddies I presume. |
| 08:16:11 | GoRK | i have a tivo so im not too bad off with the tube, but i think i unplugged it from the phone line when i was rearranging all my phones a couple months ago so it's run out of guide data |
| 08:16:34 | GoRK | im gonna have to take it apart again soon anyway to get the ethernet working again after it upgrades |
| 08:16:37 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/idr-flash.gif |
| 08:16:45 | andersee | I'm watching a re-run os Buffy... |
| 08:16:56 | Russ | bah, I have a nice 2.4 sid box |
| 08:17:23 | Russ | FLASH_PROG_EN? |
| 08:17:49 | BZFlag | hmm looking.... |
| 08:19:09 | BZFlag | ah! I assumed it was always enabled... but no. GPIO_A2 on the sa1111 =( |
| 08:19:32 | Russ | hmm....tnn has "robot wars" now |
| 08:19:45 | Russ | so you need sa1111 support in blob? |
| 08:20:01 | BZFlag | yep. at least enough to wake up the gpio pin. |
| 08:20:01 | Russ | who designed this board? obviously some EE |
| 08:20:28 | BZFlag | heh ;-) can't say till january. a large MB manufacturer. |
| 08:21:00 | Russ | EE's are never too in tune with software consequences |
| 08:21:23 | BZFlag | I think I'll email em and ask for a mod. |
| 08:21:39 | BZFlag | at least map it to a GPIO on the sa1110 |
| 08:22:06 | BZFlag | but since they want jffs2 on it, might as well enable it all the time. |
| 08:22:15 | BZFlag | can still do a flash block lock on blob. |
| 08:22:52 | BZFlag | thanx for the help! |
| 08:23:13 | Russ | I would think they would use jtag for flash |
| 08:23:32 | Russ | at least they didn't plan on jtag, and then to that thing with the FLASH_PROG_EN |
| 08:23:46 | Russ | ouch....getting the sa1111 up with jtag |
| 08:25:13 | BZFlag | I don't think the sa1111 is on the jtag loop. |
| 08:25:37 | BZFlag | I do have jtag pins, but there are 3 devices and I had not gotten around to setting up the software. |
| 08:26:18 | Russ | I mean, using jtag to control the sa1111 from the sa1110 |
| 08:26:37 | Russ | oh, wait, you do have thet to contend with...I'm sorry |
| 08:26:48 | Russ | hopefully the timing won't make it impossible |
| 08:31:43 | BZFlag | I hear ya. emailing now... |
| 08:43:35 | Russ | bummer |
| 08:43:54 | BZFlag | me or "robot wars" ? |
| 08:44:04 | Russ | you |
| 08:44:12 | Russ | robot wars is pretty lame |
| 08:44:22 | Russ | less annoying than all the B movies on right now |
| 08:44:54 | BZFlag | I like wathing it, but I wish they didn't sound like WWF. |
| 08:45:35 | BZFlag | in this corner, wearing teflon, the number one contender in a ... |
| 08:46:34 | BZFlag | Russ: what do you think of the addr output in PrintStatus? |
| 08:46:44 | Russ | oob, standup on comedy central |
| 08:47:01 | BZFlag | blob version 2.0.5-pre2 for Vercel UD-1 (IDR) |
| 08:47:01 | Russ | ? |
| 08:47:01 | BZFlag | Download speed : 115200 baud |
| 08:47:01 | BZFlag | Terminal speed : 115200 baud |
| 08:47:01 | BZFlag | blob 00000000: downloaded at c0100000 33380 bytes |
| 08:47:01 | BZFlag | param : Not available |
| 08:47:02 | BZFlag | kernel 00080000: downloaded at c0008000 33380 bytes |
| 08:47:06 | BZFlag | ramdisk 00180000: downloaded at c0400000 33380 bytes |
| 08:47:19 | | so is, like, tuxbox development team located in US |
| 08:47:20 | Russ | so....? |
| 08:47:27 | BZFlag | obviously not al valid downloads on that display... |
| 08:47:38 | | BZFlag: I forgot so |
| 08:47:38 | BZFlag | ibot: forget so |
| 08:47:45 | Russ | maybe you need to reset the values |
| 08:48:03 | BZFlag | no, I just uploaded blob 3 times to test the display. |
| 08:48:24 | BZFlag | it's the message formatting changes I'm asking your opinion on. |
| 08:48:38 | Russ | oh, yah, thats nice I suppose |
| 08:48:40 | BZFlag | I added the address displays |
| 08:48:45 | Russ | maybe a comma |
| 08:48:54 | Russ | downloaded at c0100000, 33380 bytes |
| 08:49:24 | BZFlag | hmm, that would be nice, yes. |
| 08:49:32 | BZFlag | does gcc strip dupe strings? |
| 08:49:37 | Russ | yes |
| 08:49:44 | BZFlag | runs strings on blob to check.. |
| 08:50:09 | Russ | I've been stripping bytes off of udhcp in CVS |
| 08:50:38 | Russ | who is that guy? |
| 08:50:40 | BZFlag | yep. it works, so the ',' would truly only add a byte. coo. |
| 08:50:44 | BZFlag | er cool. |
| 08:50:51 | BZFlag | which guy? |
| 08:50:56 | Russ | on robot wars |
| 08:51:12 | BZFlag | heh, no clue. I'm not watching now. |
| 08:53:18 | BZFlag | oops.... I just blamed them on erik |
| 08:53:39 | BZFlag | heh. ah well, that's what I get for being cute late at night. |
| 08:54:37 | Russ | ? |
| 08:55:35 | BZFlag | check your email. |
| 08:57:08 | Russ | ah |
| 08:57:10 | BZFlag | have you grabbed the modified jffs2 patch I did? have you tested it anywhere? |
| 08:58:04 | BZFlag | I tried the test app, but then the flash hardware I was waiting on came in, so I have not actually flashed and tested it. |
| 08:58:44 | BZFlag | I'd like to make the default kernel something like /boot/linux instead of /linux. details.... ;-) |
| 08:58:45 | Russ | hmm...need to be carefull when translating to english... |
| 08:59:02 | BZFlag | ibot x sp en hola |
| 08:59:07 | Russ | then ln -s /boot/linux /linux |
| 08:59:08 | | BZFlag: hello |
| 08:59:17 | Russ | "I intend to console the victims of this terrorist accident with my film," |
| 08:59:30 | BZFlag | heh, yep. |
| 08:59:53 | BZFlag | the point was to not have the kernel (and soon param file) in / |
| 08:59:53 | Russ | http://sg.news.yahoo.com/011216/1/24fyi.html |
| 09:00:32 | BZFlag | I should get an ipaq and upgrade to the new bootldr and see what they call it and what the formatting of the param file is. |
| 09:02:53 | Russ | I don't think blob should parse anything |
| 09:02:53 | Russ | the param file should be used to generate param data |
| 09:02:54 | BZFlag | well, must sleep. thanx for the 2nd pair of eyes. I could have been beating my head against the wall for a while before I noticed the flash enable issue. =-/ |
| 09:02:54 | BZFlag | nite |
| 09:02:54 | Russ | and param data would likely be structured similarly to ATG |
| 09:02:54 | Russ | er. |
| 09:02:54 | Russ | ok |
| 09:02:54 | Russ | must be the wife |
| 09:03:04 | GoRK | heh |
| 11:35:47 | | jacques: San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: Dec 16, 2001 05:53 AM EST; Dew Point: 33.1 F (0.6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.28 in. Hg (1025 hPa); Relative Humidity: 76%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 39.9 F (4.4 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 4 MPH (4 KT) |
| 11:35:47 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 11:36:40 | | i haven't a clue, jacques |
| 11:36:40 | jacques | ibot: what's new? |
| 16:09:37 | vietyen | hi |
| 16:09:56 | | rmk was last seen on #handhelds.org 75 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: GoRK: iirc glibc's libm uses longs [Tue Oct 2 09:23:18 2001] |
| 16:09:56 | vietyen | ibot: seen rmk |
| 16:10:01 | vietyen | great |
| 16:10:07 | | erikm was last seen on #blob 1 days, 17 hours, 24 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: goes zzz [Fri Dec 14 22:45:32 2001] |
| 16:10:07 | vietyen | ibot: seen erikm |
| 17:07:34 | GPSFan | RedBaron: were you asking about a 170MB PCMCIA hard disk a while ago? |
| 17:08:57 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Nope...But I will now, because you asked. :) What about it? |
| 17:10:23 | GPSFan | RedBaron: well someone wanted to know if it would work in the tux, I have one and just plugged it in to the bottom slot. the tux finds it, but can't find a valid filesystem on it. it has DOS on it now. |
| 17:13:51 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ah. weird |
| 17:15:09 | RedBaron | GPSFan: do you know what the 4 AA's power in the tux? Does it power the DSP so it can do DTMF dialing when the main power is off? |
| 17:15:30 | GPSFan | RedBaron: yep, I though that the tux kernel was set up to handle vfat filesystems. maybe it's my lack of linux/unix knowledge. and I haven't set up fstab or something similar. |
| 17:17:03 | RedBaron | GPSFan: If you do 'mount -t msdos /dev/<dev> /mnt/tmp' it will complaign about the lack of file system driver before it complaigns about the device not working or what ever. |
| 17:17:31 | GPSFan | RedBaron: the 4 AA's are connectea as shown in: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/ucb1200c.pdf |
| 17:19:17 | GPSFan | RedBaron: when I do that with <dev>=hda it complains about no such device. |
| 17:19:45 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Does the /dev/hda file exist? I'd look at my own, but I'm currently loading the new ramdisk onto it. |
| 17:20:37 | GPSFan | RedBaron: both hda, and hda1 appear in /dev |
| 17:21:25 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. That sounds like support is not compiled into the kernel. Is there any 'ide' or 'IDE' in the kernel messages? |
| 17:22:03 | GPSFan | RedBaron: and when I cat /dev/hda, I get all sorts of trash on the screen, as if it was reading a binary file . |
| 17:23:01 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Yeah. Its a device file. If it was working correctly and you did a cat /dev/hda cat would be spewing out the bytes on the harddrive. Starting from the very first one. |
| 17:23:53 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I'm checking the configfile for the kernel. to see whats enabled. |
| 17:24:14 | GPSFan | RedBaron: so if the device were not working, I would get an error from cat. |
| 17:25:16 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Do 'dmesg' and look for 'ide' or 'IDE'. |
| 17:27:44 | GPSFan | RedBaron: got several: ide assuming 50MHz system bus....., ide0 at 0xf700000...., ide_cs: hda: Vcc=5V Vpp=0.0, VFS: Cant find ext2 file system on device ide0(3,1) |
| 17:27:59 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. Yeah, support is compiled in. |
| 17:28:15 | GPSFan | RedBaron: ;>) |
| 17:28:38 | SpaceCoaster | hi guys |
| 17:28:47 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I havent done anything with the PCMCIA hard drives yet. So I'm muddling through this. :) |
| 17:28:48 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: hi |
| 17:28:52 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Heays |
| 17:28:55 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Heyas even |
| 17:29:48 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: how would I put a ext2 file system on a pcmcia HDD on the tux? |
| 17:31:07 | RedBaron | GPSFan: In /proc/ide, is there any hda or hdb any other files along those lines? They should be softlinks. |
| 17:32:24 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: hmm, not sure, I just have a compact flash and it came formated with vfat so I left it alone. |
| 17:33:09 | GPSFan | RedBaron: there is a directory /proc/ide, and inside is hda -> ide0/hda |
| 17:33:34 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay...the kernel saw the first hard drive then |
| 17:34:31 | RedBaron | Wowsa ... Just updated my tux to the latest in CVS and the microwindows server cant connect to the touchscreen. The start script is just continously trying to start it |
| 17:35:05 | RedBaron | Nevermind...I guess thats init running it constantly |
| 17:35:22 | GPSFan | RedBaron: that happened to me too when I built microwindows off the buildroot, I installed one of the pre compiled older bins and it owrked ok. |
| 17:35:46 | RedBaron | GPSFan: *nod* Ok |
| 17:38:53 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ok...so that UCB schematic that you pointed me at, whats it mean? I see the battery in, but I'm not sure what its all connected to. |
| 17:40:28 | GPSFan | RedBaron: ah, the bat goes through a switch, Q404 which is under control of the DSP there is also a test circuit, Q400 &401 also under control of the DSP. |
| 17:41:48 | GPSFan | RedBaron: the 5VA is always supposed to be there, and is provided by either the wall wart via CR402, or the batts, via CR400 & Q404. |
| 17:42:37 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ah. Okay. So it does power the dsp then. |
| 17:42:53 | GPSFan | RedBaron: 5VA powers the DSP, so as long as the batt tests ok, the DSP should be able to provide it's normal functions. |
| 17:43:41 | RedBaron | GPSFan: And that includes the numeric keypad on the phone itself, and the couple of phone related controls...right? |
| 17:44:47 | GPSFan | RedBaron: other things 5VA powers is the handset microphone, the line SSR, the voice/data analog switch U501 & Q500 |
| 17:45:25 | GPSFan | RedBaron: the keypad is just a set of switches that the DSP reads, so yes the keypad should function. |
| 17:45:52 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. wasnt sure if that was tied into the DSP. cool. thanks. |
| 17:46:20 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: thanks from me too, now where did i put those batteries... |
| 17:47:04 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: all that being said, I don't know whether it all works or not, that's just where all the signals go. ;>) |
| 17:47:56 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: true, I think a lot of the functions need CPU intervention aka tuxphone |
| 17:48:37 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: the DSP is in control of the Q404 switch, so it could be real stupid and turn it self off when there is no power from the wall wart. |
| 17:49:43 | SpaceCoaster | I suspect it does, hence the problems with power down status from the DSP when people have run it from 5V + 3.3V and not the kosher power supply. |
| 17:49:44 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: maybe that's what the PFI signal is for. so that the DSP can enable the batt before the wall wart completely shuts down. |
| 17:50:35 | SpaceCoaster | The mysteries of the DSP, will we ever uncover the magic... |
| 17:51:29 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: indeed! |
| 17:51:58 | RedBaron | GPSFan: That would make sense. How could I test to see if the DSP is powered down? I have a power supply that runs from battery. Which runs the main board fine. But I dont know about the DSP. |
| 17:54:02 | GPSFan | RedBaron: well the DSP looks at the PFI pin with an A/D input (AI5+) so it looks like it is watching the voltage level of PFI, so a +5 or gnd on PFI will not be the correct level to make the DSP think it has a good wall wart. |
| 17:55:01 | RedBaron | GPSFan: So what does it want on the PFI? +3.3 |
| 17:57:06 | GPSFan | RedBaron: it aslo looks like they went to great lengths to minimise the drain on BT1 (the 4 AA's) by the use of Q404, and Q401/Q400. there is little or no current drain till the batt-test line is enabled, then the 10k/12k divider is connected so the DSP can measure the batt voltage. |
| 17:57:44 | GPSFan | RedBaron: let's measure PFI on aworking tux, then make a voltage divider from your +5 supply to make the same voltage. |
| 17:58:07 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. |
| 17:58:58 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Do we have any software on the buildroot root image to dink around with the DSP? |
| 17:59:28 | GPSFan | RedBaron: my PFI pin measures 2.2 volts. |
| 17:59:41 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Hmm. okay. |
| 18:00:00 | SpaceCoaster | The only prog that I wrote is buzby and it is in a subdirectory of tuxphone, not in buildroot. |
| 18:00:17 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: ok |
| 18:01:07 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Its in the root image in /sbin |
| 18:01:20 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: if you take buzby and use the -poll option you should start seeing status bytes telling you when the DSP loses power. |
| 18:02:21 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Okay. |
| 18:03:09 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Oops. I was mistaken about that. Apparently my brain is still off. I saw the tuxphone app. not buzby |
| 18:03:59 | SpaceCoaster | you might have to hack buzby to print out bytes read in the poll routine. |
| 18:04:12 | GPSFan | RedBaron: a voltage divider of 5V---12.7k---PFI---10K---gnd should produce 2.2 volts. 12.7k isn't a standard value, so you may have to fudge it a bit. |
| 18:05:12 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Cool. How about driving it off the 3.3V? Would that make prettier numbers for the resistors? |
| 18:06:54 | GPSFan | RedBaron: the numbers are pretty nice off 5V, that's the divider that the DSP uses to look at the battery level which should be 5V. they use a 12k. the smt resistors are usually 1 or 2% parts. I would use 12K and 10 K and see if it worked. |
| 18:07:19 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. I'll have to try that out. |
| 18:08:34 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Now...if I wanted to have the DSP draw from the 4 AA's and not my batteries which I hacked into the main power input, would it work to just leave the PFI unconnected? |
| 18:11:18 | GPSFan | RedBaron: don't leave PFI unconnected, because you would have a floating analog input which might drive the DSP nuts. ground it if you want. but with PFI grounded, or not at 2.2 volts, the dsp will think that the SA1100 is off since there will be no 3.3V from the wall wart. |
| 18:11:41 | GPSFan | s/will/would |
| 18:13:50 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Hrm... |
| 18:14:32 | GPSFan | RedBaron: why would you want the DSP to draw from it's 4 AA's rather than your main battery supply? |
| 18:15:30 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Just looking at ways to improve battery life. |
| 18:17:35 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I believe that the 4 AA's are meant to allow the DSP to power the handset and dial the phone when there is a mains outage. so you can call 911 when your house (tux) is on fire and burns through the 110Vac lines. |
| 18:19:24 | RedBaron | GPSFan: *nod* Well, I have run my Tux without PFI connected. Just the 5V, the 3.3V lines and the ground lines. I dont know if my DSP was working then, but it didnt appear to physicaly harm it. |
| 18:19:33 | GPSFan | RedBaron: hense the extent to which Phillips went to minimise (sp?) the current drain on the 4 AA's. so they won't be dead when you need them. |
| 18:20:54 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ah. okay. Was just an idea :) |
| 18:21:53 | GPSFan | RedBaron: when my tux #2 is unplugged (with good AA's) the phone part doesn't work. |
| 18:22:02 | RedBaron | GPSFan: So...if PFI is grounded and the 4 AA's arent connected, would that turn off the DSP? |
| 18:22:47 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Thats assuming that there is 5V and 3.3V to the main power. |
| 18:23:36 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I believe you are correct. |
| 18:24:09 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. In a bit, once my batteries are charged again, I'll test it out. |
| 18:24:41 | GPSFan | RedBaron: wait, that's not quite right, beacuse of CR402 which will power 5VA from the wall wart. |
| 18:25:14 | GPSFan | RedBaron: sorry. but if you wanted no DSP, you could pull CR402. |
| 18:28:58 | GPSFan | RedBaron: when I have my #1 tux unplugged from the power line there is 5V at the cathode of CR402, which says that the DSP has turned on the battery. |
| 18:29:45 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay.. |
| 18:32:19 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay... So if PFI is not 2.2V, and the AA's are not in, but the main 5V and 3.3V is powered, will the DSP be powered but refuse to work because the PFI signal is not what it should be? in otherwords, its not what the wall wart power supply would be doing. |
| 18:34:44 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I think that the DSP would think that: 1) the power has failed because there is no 2.2V at PFI, and 2) the internal batts are dead, because they are missing. I don't know what the DSP code would do in that case. |
| 18:35:25 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. Sounds likes its safe to say its likely it wouldnt work correctly. |
| 18:35:43 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I'd agree. |
| 18:37:25 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Just a minute and I'll find out. |
| 18:37:48 | GPSFan | RedBaron: mu tux #1 however, when unplugged the phone part works and I get pulse dialing. |
| 18:37:56 | GPSFan | s/mu/my |
| 18:38:05 | RedBaron | GPSFan: So whats different between #1 and #2? |
| 18:39:41 | GPSFan | RedBaron# #1 went through the reverse engineering process to develop the schematics, #2 is right out of the box with Linux installed. Maybe there is a bad connection inside #2. I found a bad solder joint in #1 when I was doing the schematics. |
| 18:40:05 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Huh. okay |
| 18:41:24 | GPSFan | RedBaron: my #2 also crashes when power is first applied, lots of messages on the screen, followed by a kernel panic. when I push the reset button all is well. so something isn't quite right in #2. |
| 18:42:48 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Oi. My tux just did that. When I applied my battery powered supply. Reset and its fine. Tahts never happened before. |
| 18:43:27 | GPSFan | RedBaron: maybe there is a clue here. all we have to do is find it. ;>) |
| 18:43:48 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Interesting. PFI is unconnected right now. I run tuxphone, the light on the phone blinks, but I get no sound. When I had it running off the wall, it would play a couple of sounds. |
| 18:43:53 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Maybe :) |
| 18:44:09 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster? You around? |
| 18:44:42 | GPSFan | RedBaron: try the divider on PF1. and your power supply. |
| 18:44:47 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: yup |
| 18:45:04 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I would if I had the resitors. :) |
| 18:45:39 | GPSFan | RedBaron: ;>( do you have any pots (not pot ;>P) |
| 18:46:05 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Whats it mean to you that the DSP flashed its light when I ran tuxphone, but did not play any sounds. I got: TONE 04 DEST 01 .. BUTTON: 00 .. BUTTON: 88 .. VOLUME: 01 .. LEDS: 00 0f BLINK: 14 |
| 18:46:28 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Mmm... I'm sure I can scanvange a couple from something. |
| 18:47:17 | GPSFan | RedBaron: a 10k pot would work just fine, as would anything between 1k and 50k. |
| 18:47:40 | GPSFan | RedBaron: just adjust the wiper for 2.2V |
| 18:49:32 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: not sure, the normal failure mode is DSP poweroff. I think tuxphone resets it so I would expect the light to flash occasionally. |
| 18:50:10 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: try buzby, it's easier to control. |
| 18:50:28 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Okay. Give me a min to get it over onto the tux |
| 18:52:29 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Canabalizing and old phone. |
| 18:52:34 | RedBaron | GPSFan: and == an |
| 18:54:06 | scanline | is back (gone 10:51:24) |
| 18:54:15 | GPSFan | RedBaron: just measured the current drain from the AA's it's 25ma or so with no handset connected. |
| 18:54:59 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. Doesnt sound like much. |
| 18:55:32 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Huh. No POT in this old phone. But it does have two lead blocks. hehehe. Just for weight. |
| 18:57:01 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Do you know off hand what the color codes are for a 10K and 12K resistor? |
| 18:57:08 | GPSFan | RedBaron: yea, it isn't much till you consider it would be 24/7 if the phone wasn't plugged in. that would kill off the AA's in a while. let's see AA's are about 1700mah... that would be about 68 hours. |
| 18:57:47 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ah. I didnt know what AA's were rated at. Yeah, thats not too long |
| 18:57:49 | GPSFan | 10k is brn/blk/orn 12k is brn/red/orn |
| 18:58:32 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I think I'm in luck. |
| 18:59:34 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I bet my #2' AA's are dead. let me measure them.... oops ;>) not dead, but not installed right either. |
| 19:00:13 | RedBaron | GPSFan: hehe. Its always the minor details...:) I had put my keyboard back together and it wasnt working. It took me a couple of minutes to realize I had put the batteries in wrong. |
| 19:01:50 | GPSFan | RedBaron: hehe!! now with the batts in right, the phone works when unplugged, and no more panic on power up !!! ;>) |
| 19:02:30 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Realy? Huh. So the AA's help keep it from panicing. |
| 19:03:24 | GPSFan | RedBaron: apparently so. I guess the moral is don't leave your batts in with the phone unplugged, you'll have about 3 days . |
| 19:04:16 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I guess so. |
| 19:04:55 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Are you sure that 10k is brown/black/orange? I just pulled one (I'm rather sure its brown/black/orange) and its 20K. |
| 19:06:08 | GPSFan | RedBaron: brown is 1 black is 0 orn is 10^3 |
| 19:06:43 | RedBaron | GPSFan: My mistake. Its a red/black/orange. I sometimes have problems distinguishing the colors. |
| 19:06:55 | RedBaron | GPSFan: and I pulled the wrong one anyways. hehe |
| 19:11:40 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I dont have anything for the 12K. |
| 19:13:07 | GPSFan | RedBaron: what do you have, maybe a series/parallel combination of some of those will work. |
| 19:16:22 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I got a red/brn/orn, red/red/orn, a brown/green/yellow (I think its yellow. The band is almost nonexistant. Measures out to be 153K.), and a red/black/yellow. |
| 19:17:02 | GPSFan | RedBaron: that would be 200k by color code. |
| 19:17:47 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. Thats a bit of an error there. |
| 19:18:35 | GPSFan | RedBaron: sorry the 200k is the red/blk/yel, the brown/green/yel is 150k |
| 19:19:11 | GPSFan | RedBaron: and a 10k? |
| 19:19:50 | GPSFan | RedBaron: what does the red/brn/orn measure? |
| 19:19:55 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ok...by measurement I got a 21.6K, 153K, and 203K |
| 19:20:06 | RedBaron | GPSFan: And a 20K |
| 19:20:14 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Plus the 10K |
| 19:20:56 | RedBaron | looks for more old worthless electronics |
| 19:22:56 | GPSFan | RedBaron: try 5V--- 21k | 22K --- PFI--- 10K | 150k--- gnd |
| 19:24:10 | GPSFan | RedBaron: connect it up and measure where PFI would go and see what it is. |
| 19:24:19 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I dont have a 22K, unless you want to count the 21.6K as 22K. Do you mean 21.6K and 20K in parrallel? |
| 19:24:29 | GPSFan | yep. |
| 19:24:32 | RedBaron | ok |
| 19:24:47 | RedBaron | Trying that. |
| 19:25:25 | GPSFan | if the voltage is <2.2 take off the 150k, if >2.2 add the 200k in parallel. |
| 19:25:58 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I also found a couple of 4.6K |
| 19:26:21 | GPSFan | RedBaron: ok see what that measures first. |
| 19:28:05 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Hrm...okay. this may take a while. I have a real lack of good tools at home for doing this type of stuff. |
| 19:29:15 | GPSFan | RedBaron: if the 4.6k's are more eaisly available try 5V--4.6k | 4.6k--- 21k | 22K --- PFI --- 10k--- gnd. |
| 19:30:01 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Ok. I'll try that first. |
| 19:30:49 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I thought you had the others out, so that's why I said try that first. the one with th 4.6k's should be real close. |
| 19:31:42 | RedBaron | GPSFan: The 4.6K's are close enough to being out. they are from a previous hack that isnt being used. So I dont have to sacrifice anything that works. :) |
| 19:31:57 | GPSFan | RedBaron: good. |
| 19:32:25 | GPSFan | BZFlag: ever have a pcmcia HDD running on a tux? |
| 20:03:34 | RedBaron | <GPSFan> RedBaron: if the 4.6k's are more eaisly available try 5V--4.6k | |
| 20:03:42 | RedBaron | doh |
| 20:04:12 | GPSFan | mmmm beer! |
| 20:04:50 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. I've put the two 4.6K in parrallel and its not 2.3K. The 21K and 20K are now at 10.4K |
| 20:05:19 | RedBaron | GPSFan: And I had to do it the hard way. Solder each end of each resistor onto a short piece of wire and then combine them all. Wheeee. |
| 20:05:29 | GPSFan | 4.6k isn't a standard value, did you measure them? |
| 20:06:12 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Yes. Thats the measured value. In parrallel they come out to be 2.3K, which makes sense. the 'not' was supposed to be a 'now' |
| 20:06:44 | RedBaron | They are yellow/purple/red. |
| 20:07:15 | GPSFan | RedBaron: ah, well the values when paralled look good, 4.7k is what the color code says. |
| 20:08:44 | RedBaron | GPSFan: And all that in series comes out to be 12.75K |
| 20:09:04 | GPSFan | RedBaron: so the 2 4.7k's in parallel, then seriesed with the 21k's make about 12k. and your 10k . looks like you are good to go. |
| 20:09:27 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Cool. Let me finish hooking the rest up and see what the voltage comes out to be |
| 20:09:42 | Hiraghm | waves near everyone |
| 20:10:05 | Hiraghm | I think I'm going to install Linux on my tux today |
| 20:10:13 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: hello. |
| 20:10:21 | Hiraghm | knows this is a big deal to everyone here... |
| 20:10:28 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: good luck, have you blob'd it yet? |
| 20:10:33 | Hiraghm | nope |
| 20:10:34 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: *chuckle* Well, good luck. |
| 20:10:36 | Hiraghm | points at BZFlag |
| 20:10:37 | Hiraghm | he did |
| 20:10:57 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: then your job is easier! |
| 20:11:04 | Hiraghm | much I hope |
| 20:11:17 | Hiraghm | going to be doing the install from an O2 though, not a Linux box 8c/ |
| 20:11:26 | Hiraghm | hi ibot |
| 20:11:33 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: all you need is a good Linux install, and a null modem cable. |
| 20:11:52 | Hiraghm | paid 20 bucks for the cable last night |
| 20:11:55 | Hiraghm | it better be good |
| 20:12:12 | Hiraghm | remembers the days when he'd have made his own, even if it cost more... |
| 20:12:26 | BZFlag | has used a 1g ibm microdrive in a tux. that's a CF drive. |
| 20:12:47 | Hiraghm | Hey, they got them there things for sale at that Best Buy place |
| 20:12:50 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: refer to http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//InstallationReminders for a good outline. |
| 20:13:01 | Hiraghm | oh dear. I just realised. I haven't expanded the memory yet 8c( |
| 20:13:41 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: expanded? the 32M code is still not ready for prime time so 16M is just fine. |
| 20:14:21 | Hiraghm | I thought the stock machine had 4M? |
| 20:14:56 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: 8M DRAM + 8M SODIMM + 4M flash. |
| 20:15:53 | Hiraghm | way of topic, but it just popped into my mind.. my Win2k box has about 1/2 the internet speed of all my other machines (hooked via router to DSL modem). anyone else experience this with Win2k? |
| 20:16:01 | Hiraghm | Ohh.. good. |
| 20:16:51 | BZFlag | is glad to not have any win2k machines. |
| 20:17:45 | GPSFan | BZFlag: did the tux recognise the microdrive right away, or did you have to put a file system on it? |
| 20:20:06 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: It could be the MTU setting on the tcp/ip stack for the ethernet card. Windows in general (dont know about win2k) tends to set the MTU to be low for an analog modem. Which effects better network hardware. |
| 20:24:43 | BZFlag | GPSFan: I tried with vfat, ext2 and reiserfs. all worked. I formatted on my pc though. |
| 20:25:09 | BZFlag | http://www.gmate.com/english/products/pop_overview.htm $399 - new (odd?) yopy |
| 20:26:11 | GPSFan | BZFlag: ah, I have a 170Mb PCMCIA drive, with DOS on it, Tux finds it but doesn't find a valid filesystem. There seems to be no way on tux to mkfs. ;>( |
| 20:26:36 | BZFlag | mkfs.minix should be there. |
| 20:27:21 | GPSFan | BZFlag: tried it but it didn't find the device.? |
| 20:30:18 | BZFlag | cat you "dd count=1 if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/null" ? |
| 20:30:46 | BZFlag | and there is no fdisk in buildroot ... |
| 20:32:08 | GPSFan | BZFlag: it says 1+0 records in; 1+0 records out. |
| 20:35:12 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. I got 2.16V off the middle. |
| 20:35:44 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Yegawds thats an ugly hack |
| 20:36:05 | GPSFan | RedBaronyou could add the 150k | 10k to get a wee bit more. |
| 20:36:30 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Do you think I should? |
| 20:36:48 | GPSFan | RedBaron: ugly only counts with the lights on. yes add the 150k |
| 20:37:19 | RedBaron | GPSFan: *sigh* Okay. :) I'll get back to you in another half hour |
| 20:37:49 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Well..there is ugly, then there is down right unsafe. :) And this qualifies for both. |
| 20:38:17 | GPSFan | RedBaron: try it now if you want, the 150k will only make it closer to 2.2V. it depends on what the tolerance is in the DSP . |
| 20:38:36 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Do you think it'll hurt it? |
| 20:38:52 | GPSFan | RedBaron: no it shouldn't hurt anything. |
| 20:39:24 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Okay. I'll try it as is then. I've already taken enough chances with my tux. |
| 20:39:31 | GPSFan | RedBaron: if you had it connected to 5v and that didn't hurt it, this won't |
| 20:40:15 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I've never had it connected to 5V. I've only had it unconnected |
| 20:40:31 | GPSFan | RedBaron: I thought someone did. |
| 20:41:10 | RedBaron | GPSFan: I havent heard of any dinking around with the power supply except for me. |
| 20:41:12 | GPSFan | RedBaron: anyway there is a 1k series resistor between the PFI pin and the A/D input as protection. |
| 20:41:37 | RedBaron | GPSFan: ok |
| 20:42:57 | GPSFan | I thought I had bricked my #1 when it had an intermittent display cable, and while trying to get Inferno remote working, the screen flashed "flashing bootloader......." |
| 20:43:23 | Russ | BZFlag: you disapeared rather abrubtly last night |
| 20:44:02 | GPSFan | RedBaron: which it did with garbage. and so I got to build a jtag. ftp://www.desertweyr.com/pub/Image13.jpg |
| 20:44:19 | RedBaron | GPSFan: whoops. |
| 20:44:37 | GPSFan | gotta go for a while... |
| 20:44:51 | RedBaron | GPSFan: okay. I'll let you know how it goes. |
| 20:46:45 | RedBaron | Crap. broke a solder joint |
| 20:48:44 | BZFlag | Russ: needed sleep. |
| 20:54:33 | BZFlag | Russ: newborn and sick 2 1/2 yr old. I sleep when I can. ;-) |
| 20:55:01 | BZFlag | GPSFan: that sounds good. you need to fdisk if you want other systems to be able to read it. |
| 20:55:13 | BZFlag | GPSFan: and there is no fdisk in buildroot at present. |
| 20:55:51 | BZFlag | GPSFan: so fdisk and format on another box or add an fdisk to buildroot. ;-) |
| 20:56:21 | Hiraghm | Do I want a Yopy? |
| 20:56:51 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: for free, sure. for $400? probably a zaurus would be a better choice. |
| 20:57:06 | Hiraghm | Zaurus runs linux? |
| 20:57:09 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 20:57:13 | Hiraghm | cool |
| 20:57:19 | Hiraghm | color like this new Yopy? |
| 20:57:24 | BZFlag | and has a thumb keyboard. |
| 20:57:36 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: Why a Zaurus? |
| 20:57:42 | BZFlag | yes. qvga sa1110 206mhz |
| 20:57:45 | RedBaron | BZFlag: erm...Why a Zaurus. :) |
| 20:58:09 | BZFlag | RedBaron: cheaper than an ipaq, runs linux by default, includes a keyboard. |
| 20:58:30 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Ah. does it have pcmcia and all that good stuff? |
| 20:58:42 | BZFlag | (disclaimer: /me just registered as the Zaurus kernel maintainer) |
| 20:58:54 | BZFlag | no pcmcia. built in CF. |
| 20:58:54 | Hiraghm | wonders where he can get more info on this zaurus thingy |
| 20:59:06 | RedBaron | BZFlag: hehe. I see. |
| 20:59:20 | BZFlag | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp or #Zaurus |
| 20:59:43 | Hiraghm | Oh THAT! |
| 20:59:59 | Hiraghm | That's a Sharp. If you'd said Sharp, I'd have caught on. yeah, that's the thingy i want. |
| 21:01:38 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Oh yeah. Thats the one with the pulldown keyboard. Do you have one? |
| 21:02:03 | Hiraghm | Ewwww... it uses QT |
| 21:02:21 | RedBaron | Hiraghm: That can be changed :) |
| 21:02:42 | Hiraghm | ain't payin no $2300 dollars for a development license |
| 21:03:00 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: yeah, nobody has done it yet, but the kernel source is now available, so it should be soon. I know a7r has one and is hacking on it. |
| 21:03:31 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: yeah, somebody needs to get qpe on x11/qt then it'll be free |
| 21:03:45 | BZFlag | well, for GPLed apps anyway. |
| 21:04:23 | GPSFan | BZFlag: back now, ok I'll see if I can convince on of my other systems to fdisk & format it. |
| 21:04:29 | Hiraghm | why do people write free software using a development kit that costs $2300? |
| 21:04:32 | GPSFan | BZFlag: thanks! |
| 21:04:33 | BZFlag | RedBaron: I have 3, but 2 are prototype models. (ser# 46 on one ;-) |
| 21:04:47 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Hows the keyboard? |
| 21:04:52 | RedBaron | BZFlag: How usable? |
| 21:05:05 | Hiraghm | fears to ask what qpe is |
| 21:05:08 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: it's not free software even. you will note that the buildroot for the zaurus does not include qpe |
| 21:05:50 | BZFlag | RedBaron: I have my issues with it, but it it useable, yeah. thumb mode. |
| 21:05:55 | RedBaron | GPSFan: Well...I booted my tux with 2.16V on the PFI pin. It didnt seem to help. The DSP blinks, but it wont play sounds. Just like when the PFI was unconnected |
| 21:05:56 | | qpe is at http://qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 21:05:56 | BZFlag | ibot qpe |
| 21:06:21 | Hiraghm | BZ, I meant that QT has become very popular for freeware apps. I don't see how when they want M$ prices for their dev kits |
| 21:07:17 | BZFlag | qpe is gpled, but Qt/E is not. |
| 21:07:51 | Hiraghm | when will people realise that for using the pen you want it portrait, but if you're going to enter text, you want landscape |
| 21:08:01 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: you don't need to buy a dev kit for Qt/X11 if your app is GPLed |
| 21:08:07 | Hiraghm | ah. |
| 21:09:10 | BZFlag | but you do need a dev kit and royalties to sell a product that uses Qt/E =( |
| 21:09:26 | BZFlag | hence my desire to see qpe on Qt/X11 |
| 21:10:05 | RedBaron | BZFlag: So when are these things selling? |
| 21:10:31 | BZFlag | now. |
| 21:11:02 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Oh. I must have misunderstood something Hiraghm said. I thought it was devel models only |
| 21:11:33 | Hiraghm | Okay, guess I better get started if I'm going to do this... BZ, can you tell me again which files I need to download? (obviously I don't need the blob stuff...) |
| 21:12:34 | BZFlag | http://developer.sharpsec.com/ |
| 21:12:46 | BZFlag | yeah, that just means the software is not complete yet. |
| 21:14:32 | BZFlag | irda palm syncing is still planned etc. |
| 21:15:15 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Cool. |
| 21:15:17 | Hiraghm | So where's the pricing info? |
| 21:15:25 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Yeah...was just going to ask the same |
| 21:15:28 | BZFlag | http://www.sharpplace.com/zaurus.asp |
| 21:15:28 | Hiraghm | shakes his head sharply |
| 21:15:34 | Hiraghm | back to Tux... |
| 21:15:36 | Hiraghm | BZ? |
| 21:16:05 | BZFlag | yepper? |
| 21:16:22 | Hiraghm | which files do I need to download for the tux? |
| 21:16:35 | BZFlag | to build? or to install binaries? |
| 21:16:35 | Hiraghm | You gave me the link a couple weeks back but I can't find it. |
| 21:16:39 | Hiraghm | install binaries |
| 21:17:03 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.5/ and get blob from v0.4 |
| 21:18:26 | RedBaron | BZFlag: That link: http://www.sharpplace.com/zaurus.asp doesnt work. Goes to the mainpage, which doesnt have anything on the zaurus. |
| 21:18:30 | BZFlag | though I think I've got read-from-jffs2 support in blob working. Soon we will repartition and convert the kernel over to use modules. |
| 21:18:36 | Hiraghm | I thought you blobbed mine already? |
| 21:19:30 | Hiraghm | I need everything in that directory, huh? |
| 21:19:30 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: yep, so skip that part. ;-) |
| 21:19:44 | BZFlag | the .md5sum files are just to verify the DL. |
| 21:19:45 | Hiraghm | including the buildroot stuff? |
| 21:20:02 | BZFlag | oh, nope skip the buildroot too. just kernel and jffs2 |
| 21:20:07 | Hiraghm | thanks |
| 21:20:35 | BZFlag | RedBaron: bummer. I guess you might need to sign up on http://developer.sharpsec.com/ first. |
| 21:20:46 | BZFlag | lame cluster of web servers in my book. |
| 21:21:01 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Okay. Oh well, I cant afford things like that until I get a job anyways. :/ |
| 21:21:11 | Hiraghm | so what's the retail going to be? |
| 21:22:08 | Hiraghm | OMFG... IE wants to save the kernel as a text file 8c( |
| 21:22:12 | BZFlag | not announce afaik |
| 21:22:26 | Hiraghm | less than an Ipaq, though 8c) |
| 21:22:43 | BZFlag | I'd expect they try to sell at more than $399 (dev cost) and then realize that won;t work and drop back to $399 |
| 21:23:56 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: that's ok, just re-name it same thing happened to me. |
| 21:25:01 | Hiraghm | I'd buy one at the $300-$400 mark. But only if this qpe works out. |
| 21:27:11 | GPSFan | BZFlag: well I fdisk'd it and mkfs'd it on another system and viola! a 170 MB drive on my tux!! ;>) |
| 21:27:29 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: but do you know of a better price/performance option? |
| 21:27:40 | BZFlag | GPSFan: sweet! |
| 21:28:01 | BZFlag | of course I know of ones that have not shipped yet... ;-) |
| 21:28:06 | Hiraghm | 170mb? |
| 21:28:38 | Hiraghm | BZ, I've always been fond of the Psions. I still think a color 3MX would be the perfect formfactor |
| 21:28:55 | GPSFan | BZFlag: if it only wasn't a type 3 card ;>( but I'm not complaining, 170MB is better than nothing, and swap will work on it with out wearing it out. |
| 21:29:19 | Hiraghm | it's a 340mb microdrive? |
| 21:29:31 | BZFlag | GPSFan: $150 or so will get you a 340M udrive on ebay |
| 21:29:43 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: it's an Integral 170MB PCMCIA drive. |
| 21:29:49 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 21:30:15 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: ibm microdrives are cooler, but this is what I have. |
| 21:30:15 | Hiraghm | on a stock 16mb Tux, can you install X? |
| 21:30:55 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: not internally, but I've run wmaker over nfs mount to debian-arm |
| 21:30:59 | Hiraghm | wants to play Everquest on his Tuxscreen |
| 21:31:40 | Hiraghm | Hey, I have one of those infra-red keyboards on one of my desktops.. I wonder if the tux keyboard would affect it |
| 21:31:42 | Hiraghm | grins |
| 21:32:43 | Hiraghm | waves near ctr |
| 21:34:27 | Hiraghm | okay.. stalled long enough... |
| 21:35:28 | Hiraghm | geez.. I love this keyboard. anybody know where I can find one like this for a PC? |
| 21:36:12 | ctr | look for happy hackers keyboard |
| 21:36:32 | Hiraghm | where? |
| 21:37:53 | Hiraghm | it's over $200.. 8c( |
| 21:38:27 | Hiraghm | I popped the windows key off my keyboard the other night because I kept hitting it while playing Everquest and crashing the game |
| 21:40:10 | ctr | heh |
| 21:42:05 | Hiraghm | I wonder if I get an old subnotebook computer if I could put the motherboard in the Tux and make it work... |
| 21:42:30 | Hiraghm | (no point, just thinking as I try to find out which serial port is tty0 on the O2) |
| 21:42:32 | GPSFan | BZFlag: the 170MB drive was more of an excercise to see if I could get it running, it's 5V, and no one had done it yet. I've used microdrives in embedded apps before, and found that they seem to go to sleep a lot, not suprising, as they were intended fot the digital camera market. |
| 21:44:41 | Hiraghm | the cable tween the pc/tux is sposed to be a normal null-modem, right? |
| 21:44:44 | Hiraghm | (just making sure) |
| 21:46:55 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: yep, as long as you already have blob on it and you dont "flash blob" by mistake the tux is very forgiving. paly around with blob via minicom for a while, ther are lots of commands to try, like reblob, lets you run another version of blob from ram without flashing it. |
| 22:38:22 | Hiraghm | gah |
| 22:43:26 | Hiraghm | halp |
| 22:43:43 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: w'sup? |
| 22:44:15 | Hiraghm | I got knocked out of irc and rebooted and did some other stuff, and now I can't find the install instructions page 8c( |
| 22:45:08 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: in brief: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//InstallationReminders |
| 22:46:35 | Hiraghm | ah, much in the way of thanks |
| 22:46:51 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: np |
| 22:49:40 | Hiraghm | ack! there's no minicom on my O2 8c( |
| 22:50:24 | Hiraghm | tries to figure out if there's a term program he can use... |
| 22:52:29 | Hiraghm | hm |
| 22:52:58 | Hiraghm | I can't just telnet onto the tux, can I? |
| 22:55:06 | Russ | only if you put telnetd on there |
| 22:55:57 | Hiraghm | scratches his head |
| 22:56:06 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: telnet won't talk to blob, blob wants a terminal, maybe uucp? |
| 22:56:09 | Hiraghm | I don't think I have a telcom program on the O2 |
| 22:56:43 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: how about a c compiler? download minicom sources and have at it! |
| 22:56:53 | Hiraghm | groans |
| 22:57:12 | Russ | oh, I thought you meant linux on tux |
| 22:57:13 | Russ | not just blob |
| 22:57:17 | Russ | that'd be a trick |
| 22:57:37 | Hiraghm | I've got blob on the tux |
| 22:57:51 | Hiraghm | I'm trying to install linux binaries now |
| 23:05:46 | Hiraghm | ? |
| 23:08:54 | Hiraghm | well, the tuxscreen keyboard makes my infra-red receiver flash, but doesn't seem to match the codes for the main unit 8c) |
| 23:09:04 | Hiraghm | oh well |
| 23:09:30 | Hiraghm | (trying to talk to desktop pc with keyboard that is) |
| 23:11:35 | Hiraghm | scuse me another stupid question |
| 23:12:22 | Hiraghm | nm fixed it |
| 23:28:44 | Hiraghm | darn it |
| 23:29:15 | Hiraghm | I can't install linux from a windows box, can I? |
| 23:31:01 | RedBaron | Sure you can |
| 23:31:11 | RedBaron | You just need a decent serial program. |
| 23:31:27 | Hiraghm | suggestions? |
| 23:31:32 | Hiraghm | hyperterminal is out I take it. |
| 23:32:00 | RedBaron | Yup. Hyperterminal cant send a file byte for byte. It only does things like zmodem. |
| 23:33:14 | RedBaron | http://www.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html |
| 23:34:38 | RedBaron | I use my windows box to download the kernel and ramdisk all the time. because my linux box is hidden back in my closet. |
| 23:36:38 | Hiraghm | well, I'll do that then |
| 23:36:49 | Hiraghm | geez, I didn't want to endanger my O2 anyways. 8c) |
| 23:37:01 | RedBaron | *chuckle* |
| 23:37:56 | BZFlag | or someone could add zmodem to blob. ;-) |
| 23:39:14 | RedBaron | True. I suppose that wouldnt be too hard. How much memory is left over for blob? Like a lot or very little? |
| 23:39:21 | BZFlag | lots |
| 23:39:54 | BZFlag | we have 128k to mess with if the params stuff get's stored on the jffs2 partition. |
| 23:40:25 | BZFlag | and current blob is only 14k |
| 23:40:35 | RedBaron | Ah. cool. |
| 23:40:54 | BZFlag | course jffs2 blob is larger... but still. |
| 23:42:06 | BZFlag | blob with all the debug stuff in cvs now is like 32k |
| 23:42:21 | RedBaron | Not bad at all |
| 23:42:38 | BZFlag | yes indeed. |
| 23:43:21 | GoRK | so do you have the jffs2 stuff working now bzflag? |
| 23:43:28 | RedBaron | GPSFan: You around? |
| 23:43:32 | BZFlag | we expect to add CF ne2k support with tftp code soon. |
| 23:43:44 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Sweet. That would be nice |
| 23:44:06 | BZFlag | GoRK: have not gotten back to testing it on a device, but I did get Russ' code ported to the latest CVS. |
| 23:44:39 | BZFlag | RedBaron: read-from-cf-vfat support is also planned. |
| 23:44:53 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Cool. |
| 23:44:57 | Hiraghm | this is getting REALLY not worth it really fast now |
| 23:45:04 | BZFlag | the box I'm working on now has that listed in the work order, so the tux will get it when I finish it for the IDR. |
| 23:45:09 | Hiraghm | install software to install software to install software |
| 23:45:35 | Morn | Tim: do you know how I can tell what version of gcc was used to make a binary? |
| 23:45:36 | Hiraghm | and the tools to install the software are bugged, of course |
| 23:45:38 | RedBaron | Does anyone know why the microwindows server in CVS right now refuses to startup? It says it cant talk to the touchscreen. |
| 23:47:26 | Morn | microwindows doesn't talk to the current touchscreen driver |
| 23:47:48 | BZFlag | Morn: hmmm. one sec.. |
| 23:47:55 | RedBaron | Morn: was the touchscreen driver changed? |
| 23:48:34 | RedBaron | has been out of touch lately on tuxscreen stuff. |
| 23:49:13 | BZFlag | Morn: nope. don't see any obvious way. |
| 23:50:02 | BZFlag | RedBaron: yes. ts driver rewrite in like 2.4.9 or so? |
| 23:50:12 | scanline | is away: food |
| 23:50:21 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Ah. ok |
| 23:50:52 | RedBaron | Morn: ..oh...nevermind your gone...no your back. :P |
| 23:51:07 | Morn | what did you say? |
| 23:51:13 | Morn | I kinda got disconnected |
| 23:51:24 | RedBaron | Morn: Look at the binary with your program of choice. GCC embedes its version string in it |
| 23:51:38 | RedBaron | Morn: right in the first few bytes |
| 23:51:50 | BZFlag | I think we need a gpm that groks the new tx interface, and hands out oldstyle interface. ;-) |
| 23:52:07 | BZFlag | Morn: gcc ver: nope. don't see any obvious way. |
| 23:52:34 | BZFlag | RedBaron: not if it's stripped. ;-) |
| 23:52:50 | Morn | this isn't stripped |
| 23:53:01 | RedBaron | Huh. If its not stripped, strings does NOT pick up the version string. |
| 23:53:04 | Morn | I'm just trying to verify that the right compiler compiled it |
| 23:54:22 | Morn | I'm just getting weird seg faults in an app, and using gdb it seems to seg fault at different places each time I run it |
| 23:54:35 | Hiraghm | YES |
| 23:54:41 | Hiraghm | (plus a lot of yeahs) |
| 23:54:51 | BZFlag | I know that libs like glibc add a ver string, but I can't find from the compiler. |
| 23:54:54 | Hiraghm | waiting for kernel to fail |
| 23:55:15 | Morn | bangs her head against the desk harder. |
| 23:55:18 | Hiraghm | so if I have a 10 meg CF card with pcmcia adapter, can I use it for storage on the Tux? |
| 23:55:23 | Hiraghm | comforts Morn |
| 23:55:37 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Found this in the buzby program which I compiled. For ARM of course ---> GCC: (GNU) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) |
| 23:56:10 | BZFlag | hmm. |
| 23:56:34 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: yes. |
| 23:56:51 | Hiraghm | how do I do the directory path? |
| 23:57:01 | Hiraghm | for copying the image |
| 23:57:09 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: it'll likely be useful with a minix fs and mounted someplace like /usr/local |
| 23:57:37 | Hiraghm | holds his head in pain |
| 23:57:40 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Weird ... the init built from buildroot does not have that GCC string. But the 'root/sbin/probe' program does. |
| 23:58:07 | BZFlag | RedBaron: init is busybox, and it does as much stipping as it can (as does blob) |
| 23:58:13 | Hiraghm | I can't uuencode from an NT box, can I? |
| 23:58:14 | BZFlag | er stripping. |
| 23:58:17 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Okay. That makes sense |
| 23:58:28 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: yes. grep the wiki |
