irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.12.14

irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.12.14 00:24:06 pattieja is away: home 00:34:52 jacques_gone hi ppl 00:42:39 scanline hi jacques 00:43:21 jacques :-) 00:43:42 andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 days, 16 hours, 13 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: ngiht [Sat Dec 8 08:30:33 2001] 00:43:42 jacques ibot: seen andersee 00:44:02 jacques hmm, I was hoping to get xfree on to the supported apps page 00:52:51 BZFlag jacques: email him. he's out of town at present. 00:52:59 BZFlag andersee@debian.org 00:53:16 BZFlag he should be on email from time to time 01:15:43 jacques BZFlag: thanks 01:15:53 Morn hey everyone 01:20:58 jacques just emailed him 01:21:35 gork was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 3 hours, 35 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: i am some kind of crazy freak. i have never had an nvidia problem on this machine [Wed Dec 12 21:46:11 2001] 01:21:35 jacques ibot: seen gork 01:22:18 scanline is away: food 01:32:56 jacques hi prpplague_away 01:33:07 prpplague howdy jacques 01:37:04 jacques sure is quiet here today 01:40:49 scanline is back (gone 00:18:30) 01:46:39 Szilu re 01:49:08 jacques hi Szilu 02:08:04 prpplague just started read the flame war over the bootldr partions on the linux-kernel-arm list 02:08:08 prpplague pretty funny stuff 02:13:37 BZFlag heh, I just added myself to that battle. 02:14:42 BZFlag did you catch the irc war erikm and I had? ;-) 02:15:52 jacques when was that? 02:17:42 prpplague BZFlag: i've been a little busy the last few days, so no, this raid array is killing me 02:19:07 prpplague BZFlag: was it pretty fun as well? 02:21:40 jacques "That's how blob works (no that code is not yet in CVS)." 02:21:41 jacques arg 02:24:20 prpplague BZFlag: i agree with you about reusable code, and with erikm about not screwing with the kernel just fix someones hardware mistake 02:28:05 Sammy BZFlag: watch this _I want to order * 8 * tux toy next week_ this is the preordain . 02:29:19 BZFlag Sammy: the record order is 32 phones to one address 02:30:48 prpplague feels small with his order of 4 pending 02:32:21 jacques 32? wow 02:35:53 prpplague anyone heard from andersee lately? 02:36:40 jacques he stopped by a couple days ago 02:36:44 jacques but i missed him 02:36:55 Sammy BZFlag: |(O)| 02:37:26 BZFlag prpplague: he's out of town. I've talked to him. 02:41:59 prpplague BZFlag: ahh, just checking, i've got to get with him next week on c++ support in uclibc 02:44:07 prpplague BZFlag: my company has agreed to pay him for the support (assuming its reasonable) 02:44:39 BZFlag prpplague: sweet! for arm? it should be easy, he's just been waiting for some $$ (== time) to work on it. 02:44:51 BZFlag include threads support so he'll do that too. ;-) 02:45:32 prpplague i'll see what i can do 02:45:39 jacques whooo!! 02:45:44 jacques then we get fltk 02:46:03 jacques cant wait 02:48:14 BZFlag I know he emailed the dietlibc about using that threads package. they are GPL, and uClibc is LGPL. 02:48:49 BZFlag if they agree to LGPL license threads will be fairly easy 02:50:30 prpplague i should get the go ahead on the 20th, no road blocks so far 02:52:50 ctr hey all? 02:52:54 ctr -? 02:54:58 prpplague howdy ctr 02:55:08 ctr is a drunk 02:55:09 ctr sorry 02:55:10 ctr ;) 02:56:51 prpplague ctr: beer? 02:57:44 ctr been out this evening 02:57:54 ctr drinking a lot of bottles of various concotions 02:58:32 as_ Evnin all. 03:11:01 prpplague Morn: you alive? 03:11:06 Morn no 03:11:39 prpplague Morn: i need some geekette advice 03:11:46 Morn I'll try 03:12:15 prpplague Morn: what do you think would be a better christmas present - 03:12:27 prpplague 1. dimond ring 03:12:29 prpplague or 03:12:46 prpplague 2. c++ support for uclibc 03:12:58 Morn 2 03:13:01 Morn giggles. 03:14:25 prpplague Morn: cool, i guess i put uclibc on a floppy and wrapit 03:14:30 prpplague lol 03:14:49 prpplague though Morn might like that 03:14:56 prpplague s/though/thought 03:15:08 prpplague really can type most of the time 03:15:24 Morn I need to find out why I don't have any touch screen support in X with the familar isntall on the tux screen 03:17:08 prpplague hmm, is your version of familiar patched with the ts fix? i know some of the tuxscreens had a reset issue on the ucb IIRC 03:17:32 Morn patched? 03:17:38 Morn I just got the default distro 03:18:00 prpplague Morn: hmm, let me see about the page on the wiki 03:18:46 Morn I'm afraid I may have messed up the touch screen when I took it apart 03:18:56 Morn I should try the pico gui stuff again just to test it 03:22:06 prpplague morn: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//TouchScreen 03:23:39 prpplague you'll probably have to fix the default kernel of familiar 03:23:56 Morn I'm using the tuxscreen kernel 03:24:26 prpplague hmm 03:25:49 prpplague Morn: well i guess your on the right track then by testing with picogui, but you probably don't need me to tell you that 03:27:07 prpplague is occasionaly of some assistance 03:28:25 Morn yes you are 03:34:15 prpplague Morn: did you see the review i got on my tcsx-1?? 03:34:35 Morn no 03:35:42 prpplague http://www.linuxdevices.com check out the headlines about tcsx-1 03:35:49 prpplague brags 03:36:10 jacques Morn: let me guess 03:36:16 jacques Morn: you are using a 2.4.16 kernel 03:36:51 prpplague jacques: doh, the api changed didn't it 03:37:01 jacques prpplague: yep 03:37:32 jacques we should bug gork 03:37:51 jacques he said if I posted instructions on how to build xfree he would write the ts driver 03:39:30 jacques BTW, my latest and greatest xtoolchain is at http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/xchain6-i386.tar.bz2 03:40:44 prpplague jacques: so give me a jacques-toolchain 101, what makes your toolchain special? 03:41:42 jacques prpplague: latest cvs gcc 2.95, glibc 2.2.4, latest (usable) binutils, and the magic Phil Blundell patch to gcc 03:42:10 jacques this is my best one yet - compiles xfree at -O2 without erroring on any files 03:43:24 Morn prpplague: nice article 03:44:05 prpplague jacques: easy to install? 03:46:29 jacques prpplague: yeah, just untar in /usr/local 03:46:30 prpplague jacques: i'll try it out, care if dl and post on my page, or would you rather i link? 03:46:47 jacques prpplague: and add /usr/local/arm/bin to your path 03:47:13 jacques prpplague: sure, do what you like. I should make a README tho 03:47:28 jacques prpplague: gonna make one now, give me a few 03:47:52 prpplague it'll be monday before i can get to it, i'll still stuck in barbados 03:48:04 Morn 250-300KB/s that's not bad is it? 03:50:51 prpplague for what? 03:51:05 Morn the download speeds I'm getting 03:51:36 prpplague no, i'd be happy with that unless your paying for t-3 03:51:39 prpplague lol 03:51:50 Morn no, it's a cable modem 03:53:45 Morn That's over 2Mb/s 03:53:47 Morn yikes! 03:54:09 Morn Someone is gonna shoot me 03:54:54 jacques prpplague: OK, readme file is there now 03:55:05 prpplague thanks 03:55:16 prpplague i'll get it posted monday after i try it out 03:55:26 prpplague jacques: http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux 03:55:48 jacques prpplague: let me know if you have any problems with it 03:56:39 jacques prpplague: cool - bookmarked nd looking 03:57:06 Morn I'm gonna lay down for a while 03:57:07 Morn bbl 03:57:10 Morn is away: resting... 03:58:18 prpplague jacques: my links page got over writen( i.e. fat fingered ) but when i get back i'll fix it 03:59:20 Morn hmmm... 03:59:32 Morn with picogui I get Error 2 opening touch panel 03:59:39 Morn I think something is messed up 04:01:13 jacques Morn: i think gork's ts driver for picogui is only in cvs 04:01:23 jacques Morn: are you using 2.4.16 kernel? 04:02:47 Morn yes 04:02:54 Morn that is what the buildroot downloaded 04:03:31 Morn error 2 means no file 04:03:40 Morn maybe I'm just missing an entry in /dev? 04:04:38 Morn error 2 means no file 04:04:47 Morn could I just be missing an entry in /dev ? 04:05:05 jacques possible i suppose 04:05:34 jacques i dont know if the new picogui driver is built by buildroot yet 04:05:41 Morn ok 04:05:49 Morn I'm gonna lay down for a little... I'm beat 04:07:27 jacques im gonna update my nvidia binary drivers 04:07:33 jacques gotta kill x to do it 04:07:39 jacques biaw 04:21:47 prpplague well i'm going to take a nap while this data xfer goes 04:21:50 prpplague bbiaf 04:57:17 scanline is away: playing starcraft 05:25:01 [57th]cneal hi 05:25:50 jacques hi 05:26:08 [57th]cneal whatzup 05:26:18 jacques not much today 05:26:46 [57th]cneal tuxscreen? 05:26:55 jacques huh? 05:38:18 scanline is back (gone 00:41:00) 05:39:03 [57th]cneal wb 05:43:45 jacques [57th]cneal: are you on every channel? 05:44:36 [57th]cneal every channel? 05:44:51 [57th]cneal A few channels :) 05:45:15 jacques [57th]cneal: heh i think you are on every channel I am on 05:45:23 jacques well except #sdl 05:45:43 [57th]cneal I followed ibot here 05:45:51 hi 05:45:51 [57th]cneal ibot, say hi 05:45:58 [57th]cneal see :) 05:46:07 jacques ah 05:46:20 no idea, jacques 05:46:20 jacques ibot: [57th]cneal? 05:46:31 jacques: San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: Dec 13, 2001 11:53 PM EST; Dew Point: 44.1 F (6.7 C); Precipitation last hour: 0.08 inches; Pressure (altimeter): 30.11 in. Hg (1019 hPa); Relative Humidity: 76%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 51.1 F (10.6 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Rain; Wind: from the S (180 degrees) at 8 MPH (7 KT) gusting to 17 MPH (15 KT) 05:46:31 jacques ibot: weather ksjc 05:46:47 [57th]cneal Do you know who owns ibot? 05:47:06 jacques BZFlag i think 05:47:12 [57th]cneal oh 05:47:17 cpenguin_home or cworth... 05:48:11 Keyser[a]: Grand Rapids, Gerald R. Ford International Airport, MI, United States; (KGRR) 42-52-51N 085-31-22W 239M; last updated: Dec 13, 2001 11:56 PM EST; Dew Point: 33.1 F (0.6 C); Precipitation last hour: 0.08 inches; Pressure (altimeter): 30.01 in. Hg (1016 hPa); Relative Humidity: 85%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 37.0 F (2.8 C); Visibility: 8 mile(s); Weather: Rain; Wind: Calm 05:48:11 Keyser[a] ibot: weather kgrr 05:48:34 Keyser[a] that's pretty cool 05:48:42 cpenguin_home: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake City International Airport, UT, United States; (KSLC) 40-46-41N 111-58-10W 1286M; last updated: Dec 13, 2001 11:56 PM EST; Dew Point: 18.0 F (-7.8 C); Precipitation last hour: 0.08 inches; Pressure (altimeter): 29.92 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 55%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 32.0 F (0.0 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Rain; Wind: from the SSE (160 degrees) at 12 MPH (11 KT); Windchill: 23 F (-5 C) 05:48:42 cpenguin_home ibot: weather kslc 05:48:57 cpenguin_home mmm.... 21 degrees.... 05:49:16 Keyser[a] holy crap. utah is colder than michigan? 05:49:40 Keyser[a] i guess you guys loose all the heat at night. 05:49:42 cpenguin_home Sure... 05:49:59 cpenguin_home: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. 05:49:59 cpenguin_home ibot: weather kfoo 05:50:03 cpenguin_home: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. 05:50:03 cpenguin_home ibot: weather kfoo 05:50:13 cpenguin_home: sorry... 05:50:13 cpenguin_home Damnit.. just give me the URL, ibot... 05:51:39 keyser: bugger all, i dunno 05:51:39 Keyser ibot: do you know the way to san jose? 05:51:45 jacques cpenguin_home: maybe help weather 05:52:31 cpenguin_home doesn't work... some times if you piss him off enough he tells you 05:52:37 cpenguin_home: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) 05:52:37 cpenguin_home ibot: weather foo 05:52:40 cpenguin_home bingo 05:52:45 jacques damn randomness 05:53:07 jacques damn you ibot!! 05:54:37 cpenguin_home: Jackson Hole Automatic Weather Observing / Reporting System, WY, United States; (KJAC) 43-36N 110-44W; last updated: Dec 14, 2001 12:35 AM EST; Dew Point: 19 F (-7 C); Precipitation last hour: 0.08 inches; Pressure (altimeter): 29.73 in. Hg (1006 hPa); Relative Humidity: 85%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 23 F (-5 C); Visibility: 3 mile(s); Weather: Rain; Wind: from the WSW (240 degrees) at 13 MPH (12 KT); Windchill: 12 F (-11 C) 05:54:37 cpenguin_home ibot: weather kjac 05:54:49 cpenguin_home mmmm.... cold in the home land 05:54:56 jacques: Houston, Houston Hobby Airport, TX, United States; (KHOU) 29-38-15N 095-16-57W 36M; last updated: Dec 13, 2001 11:53 PM EST; Dew Point: 44.1 F (6.7 C); Precipitation last hour: 0.08 inches; Pressure (altimeter): 30.05 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 79%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 50.0 F (10.0 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Rain; Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT); Windchill: 12 F (-11 C) 05:54:56 jacques ibot: weather khou 05:55:32 cpenguin_home Wow... I had no idea it got that cold down there 05:55:52 jacques occasionally it does 05:55:57 cpenguin_home Wait... thats the windchill from the last one.... 05:56:21 Keyser hobby airport? i think i'd prefer to fly out of the ones who do it for a living. 05:56:33 jacques Keyser: heh :-) 05:56:42 jacques yeah I think that windchill is wrong 05:56:43 cpenguin_home looks for his cymbols 05:57:06 jacques: McConnell Air Force Base, KS, United States; (KIAB) 37-37N 097-16W; last updated: Dec 13, 2001 11:55 PM EST; Dew Point: 33 F (1 C); Precipitation last hour: 0.08 inches; Pressure (altimeter): 29.94 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 93%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 35 F (2 C); Visibility: 5 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: from the WSW (240 degrees) at 4 MPH (4 KT); Windchill: 12 F (-11 C) 05:57:06 jacques ibot: weather kiab 05:57:15 jacques nope, that's now what I meant 05:57:25 jacques: Houston, Houston Intercontinental Airport, TX, United States; (KIAH) 29-59-33N 095-21-50W 36M; last updated: Dec 13, 2001 11:53 PM EST; Dew Point: 45.0 F (7.2 C); Precipitation last hour: 0.08 inches; Pressure (altimeter): 30.06 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 92%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 46.9 F (8.3 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: from the WNW (290 degrees) at 4 MPH (4 KT); Windchill: 12 F (-11 C) 05:57:25 jacques ibot: weather kiah 05:58:00 cpenguin_home fun with ibots... 05:58:08 jacques Keyser: hobby is closer to houston and smaller and friendlier 05:59:28 Keyser and 3.1 degrees warmer 05:59:46 jacques heh 06:00:00 cpenguin_home ibot: help 06:02:14 cpenguin_home Bad ass.... you can do "metar airport" to get the codes... 06:02:20 cpenguin_home ibot: metar SLC 06:02:21 cpenguin_home: KSLC 140456Z 16011KT 10SM FEW070 OVC110 00/M08 A2992 RMK AO2 SLP146 T00001078 06:10:42 keyser: bugger all, i dunno 06:10:42 Keyser ibot: since you know so much about the weather, when are we going to get snow in michigan? 06:11:06 Keyser: huh? 06:11:06 Keyser ibot: yeah, well screw you too, buddy 06:11:15 Keyser: what? 06:11:15 Keyser ibot: you heard me. 06:11:28 bugger all, i dunno, keyser 06:11:28 Keyser ibot: are you talking to me? 06:11:41 cpenguin_home First time I ever saw someone get angry at a bot.... 06:11:56 Keyser don't blame me. 06:12:00 Keyser what's a bot? 06:12:02 I'm just an idiot. :-( 06:12:02 jacques ibot: what is your major malfunction? 06:12:08 Keyser :) 06:12:15 jacques :-D 06:12:56 jacques time to head home 06:13:02 jacques i'll be on from there later 06:15:45 Keyser is nothing but a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste. 06:15:45 BZFlag ibot: insult Keyser 06:16:43 cpenguin_home BZFlag: Hows the young un 06:16:48 OK, Keyser. 06:16:48 Keyser ibot: ou contraire. i am that and so much more. 06:17:29 OK, cpenguin_home. 06:17:29 cpenguin_home ibot: keyser is more than a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste 06:17:40 Keyser damn straight 06:18:01 i heard keyser was more than a crook-pated coagulation of plume-plucked toxic waste 06:18:01 cpenguin_home ibot: keyser? 06:18:13 Keyser LOL 06:18:22 BZFlag cpenguin_home: ok, still not coming home. my wife got released, but she's staying with the kid (cameron) till he's released as long as they let her. 06:18:45 cpenguin_home BZFlag: he has gotten better, I hope? 06:19:02 BZFlag yep. it's just a question of how many days really. 06:19:37 cpenguin_home Cool.. now you just have to sell some more tuxphones to make room for more baby stuff 06:19:42 BZFlag on the otherhand I'm here with my 2 1/2 year old who has a temp of 103.2 now. 06:21:16 cpenguin_home BZFlag: Bad news 06:21:33 cpenguin_home BZFlag: Hope (he? she?) gets better 06:24:00 BZFlag he. yeah. me too. thanx. 06:26:52 I_bot is becoming sentient and evil 06:26:52 Keyser ibot: I_bot? 06:29:08 Yow! Am I in Milwaukee? 06:29:08 BZFlag ibot: yow 06:29:18 Now I'm concentrating on a specific tank battle toward the end of World War II! 06:29:18 BZFlag ibot: yow 06:29:33 Keyser vonnegut? 06:29:40 BZFlag wishes for an eliza mode. 06:29:40 keyser: wish i knew 06:29:40 Keyser ibot: vonnegut? 06:30:51 ...but i_bot is trying to take over the world.... 06:30:51 Keyser ibot: I_bot is basically good. 06:32:58 I love ROCK 'N ROLL! I memorized the all WORDS to "WIPE-OUT" in 1965!! 06:32:58 Keyser ibot: yow 06:33:06 Kids, the seven basic food groups are GUM, PUFF PASTRY, PIZZA, PESTICIDES, ANTIBIOTICS, NUTRA-SWEET and MILK DUDS!! 06:33:06 Keyser ibot: yow 06:33:10 Gibble, Gobble, we ACCEPT YOU ... 06:33:10 Keyser ibot: yow 06:33:13 Did you move a lot of KOREAN STEAK KNIVES this trip, Dingy? 06:33:13 Keyser ibot: yow 06:33:18 It don't mean a THING if you ain't got that SWING!! 06:33:18 Keyser ibot: yow 06:33:24 If I am elected no one will ever have to do their laundry again! 06:33:24 Keyser ibot: yow 06:36:25 i_bot is, like, trying to take over the world 06:36:25 Keyser ibot: i_bot? 06:36:53 Keyser the freaky thing is, i tried to change ibot's mind, but he keeps sticking with "trying to take over the world" 06:37:00 Keyser coincidence, or something more? 06:37:30 keyser: wish i knew 06:37:30 Keyser ibot: coincidence, or something more? 06:37:35 i_bot is trying to take over the world. 06:37:35 Keyser ibot: i_bot? 06:51:50 scanline is away: fun and games 08:35:42 i am god 08:35:42 [57th]cneal ibot, who is ibot? 08:35:44 [57th]cneal lol! 08:37:14 I want a VEGETARIAN BURRITO to go ... with EXTRA MSG!! 08:37:14 Russ ibot: yow 08:39:10 BZFlag Russ: I updated your jffs2 patch for blob cvs and put it on SF. 08:39:25 Russ I saw 08:39:26 Russ thanks 08:39:40 Russ I'll have to make the paramater block stuff workable over break 08:40:05 BZFlag I'll get to that soon if you don't. 08:40:22 BZFlag erikm says rmk resolved the licensing issues with his net code. 08:40:30 BZFlag I'm eager to dig into that too. 08:47:51 BZFlag wonders if this silly emp-30 can grok programming only part of a flash chip 09:01:23 jacquesZzZz im hungry 10:27:53 ctr is away: shower 10:51:46 ctr is away: shopping 14:56:36 RedBaron morning 14:58:04 SpaceCoaster hi 14:58:48 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: hi, welcom back 14:59:04 GPSFan RedBaron: morning. 14:59:46 SpaceCoaster GPSFan: yeah, been doing other stuff, missed the fun stuff here, wotz been happening in the last month! 15:01:09 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: biggest news, I guess, is BZflag's new son. lots of other stuff, like jacques got xfree running. 15:02:16 Morn morning... 15:02:24 Morn tries to be conherent. 15:02:33 Morn and gets out her auto speller... 15:04:45 SpaceCoaster A new son, excellent, that's the hardware side of things but the software is what takes the time and as for getting it debugged! 15:05:35 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: got a second Tux, got my #1 back together, and Inferno blew itself away, had to build a jtag & reflash it. got Linux on both running, & just last night got my old trusty Mhz ethernet card working. 15:07:19 SpaceCoaster Wow I never though #1 was going to work again after your sterling efforts. JTAG does make life easier. 15:09:57 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: yep, it does, I got a new design for a simplified jtag, breadboarded it on a piede of pre-preg I'll post a pic sometime. #1 had it's trials, had a bad display cable, and when trying to get Infernal remote running, it wrote all over it's own sboot loader. that prompted the building of the jtag. 15:11:56 SpaceCoaster Simplified, how, it only had one chip and a handful of caps, tho' I guess after your 5V PCMCIA mod we should expect minimalism. 15:12:46 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: simplified in that the chip is a 14 pin 74LVX125 and only 2 caps needed. 15:13:46 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: I've got an experimental design for a hardware only auto 3-5V switch too, have the parts, haven't tested it yet. 15:14:27 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: I needed to get a working linux-ethernet Tux befor doing any thing else. 15:15:22 SpaceCoaster That would be cool. We've been developing a QT based phone application as we plan on giving a couple of TuxScreens as Xmas presents. 15:16:20 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: cool. tuxphone got included in build-root, and the kernel upgraded to 2.4.16-rmk2-tux1 15:19:04 SpaceCoaster Hmm, I tried the 2.4.16-rmk1-tux2 but found problems, I lost my jffs2 partition several times, that never happened with 2.4.7, I have moved back for the time being. 15:19:33 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: here is a pic of the jtag I built, it's missing one of the caps in this pic though. ftp://www.desertweyr.com/pub/Image13.jpg 15:22:30 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: there were some problems with rmk1, but rmk2 seems better. I'm running 2.5.1 on my dev system, with ext3, no ploblems so far. ;>) 15:26:24 SpaceCoaster GPSFan: ok I give it another go, I can't download busybox.tar.gz, the http://www.busybox.net just has a smiling face, guess it's the duff DNS issue. 15:27:23 GPSFan SpaceCoaster: hmmm, that url works from here. 15:33:49 CosmicPenguin Morning all..... 15:33:55 CosmicPenguin SpaceCoaster! Long time no see 15:36:39 SpaceCoaster CosmicPenguin: hi, been doing stuff, glad to be back, been fighting any wars while I've been away? 15:49:10 i_bot is trying to take over the world. 15:49:10 Keyser ibot: i_bot? 15:49:14 Keyser still? 16:10:49 kernelwork is ibot getting megalomanic again? 16:13:11 CosmicPenguin SpaceCoaster: You know what? I got kind of discouraged about the touchscreen thing, and I have been concentrating on other stuff lately..... 16:13:43 CosmicPenguin kernelwork: Keyser has been tormenting the bot since late last night 16:14:37 Morn Morning all 16:14:48 SpaceCoaster CosmicPenguin: I understand completely that was one of my reasons for moving to other stuff, I was hoping that it would be resolved in a sensible fashion. 16:15:21 SpaceCoaster CosmicPenguin: GoRK seems to have been pushing stuff along. 16:15:37 CosmicPenguin SpaceCoaster: Yeah, GoRK has been doing some good stuff.... 16:16:18 SpaceCoaster CosmicPenguin: I saw some VOIP, using Asterix, but I haven't been able to track it down, any news? 16:16:40 CosmicPenguin SpaceCoaster: I haven't heard a thing 16:16:45 Morn VOIP with the tuxscreen? 16:17:00 CosmicPenguin The biggest news lately was tiny-X running with uclibc... 16:17:23 SpaceCoaster CosmicPenguin: I think it was in a tuxscreen-devel posting from GoRK a while ago. 16:18:41 CosmicPenguin hhhm.... nothing in *my* archives.... We'll have to bother him if he shows up 16:19:13 Morn would it be possible to 'record' a conversation on the tuxscreen? 16:20:07 CosmicPenguin I don't believe that we have that part working yet, though I wonder if the shanip could help in that regard.... 16:22:36 SpaceCoaster GoRK mentions VOIP here on 11/27 http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//JohnLaur 16:26:04 Morn I hate it when that happens 16:26:40 Morn X seems to kinda lock up... the mouse works and stuff on the screen is moving, but I can't click on anything and the ctrl-alt-F? keys don't work 16:30:50 CosmicPenguin Morn: Are you using a USB keyboard by chance? 16:30:56 Morn no, ps2 16:31:01 CosmicPenguin Wireless? 16:31:17 Morn no 16:31:26 Morn the mouse moves but I can't click on anything 16:31:28 Morn it's weird 16:31:33 CosmicPenguin Very weird... 16:31:49 CosmicPenguin I have a wireles keyboard and mouse (USB, but it can also be ps2) 16:32:01 Morn but the images in gkrellm still move and the real player is still playing 16:32:13 CosmicPenguin every once in a while, the keyboard kind of locks up... Its like it has a stroke... the left side stops working and some keys repeat themselves 16:32:51 CosmicPenguin So I reset the wireless connection, and run 'xset r' again, and all is well 16:33:37 Morn oh no 16:34:52 Morn the other strange thing is right after I reboot the first time I log into X (Gnome) the panel and all the gmc process show in the task bar, and even tool tips... 16:34:58 Morn if I log out and back in they go away 16:37:42 signal11 that's weird 16:39:15 Morn any way... 16:39:36 Morn Listening to Niel Young's song about the Sept 11th plane that went down in PA 16:39:55 CosmicPenguin Morn: Any good? 16:40:21 CosmicPenguin I dig the Boss's song, City In Ruins... it was written a while ago, but it fits... 16:40:22 Morn yeah... it's called "Let's roll" which was the last thing they heard over the phone from one of the passangers 16:40:46 Morn Have you heard Cletus Kennely's song about it? you can get the mp3 online 16:42:12 Morn www.cletuskennely.com 16:42:24 Morn the title is looking up 16:43:52 SpaceCoaster or maybe www.cletuskennelly.com 16:44:03 Morn sorry missed an l 16:44:05 Morn my bad 16:49:14 CosmicPenguin Poor guy.... If my first name was Cletus, I would probably think about changing it 16:49:22 Morn giggle 16:49:25 Morn he's a nice guy 16:49:31 Morn I've talked to him via email a bit 16:49:40 Morn the other songs are good too 16:52:31 CosmicPenguin I have no doubt he's a good singer..... 16:52:47 CosmicPenguin Its just that every time I see that name, I think of the Simpsons.... 16:53:19 CosmicPenguin "Some folks will never eat a skunk, but then again some folks 'll... Like Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel" 16:58:05 Morn Teaching my business partner how to add a domain and setup sendmail to use it... 16:58:10 Morn this is fun... 16:59:09 Morn she's not a unix person so I have to explain EVERYTHING 17:01:30 Morn try explaining the rules that sendmail uses to decide where to deliver email and what order they are processed in... 17:01:33 Morn sighs. 17:02:52 signal11 cletus was the good cop from the dukes of hazzard 17:19:31 SpaceCoaster woohoo managed to connect my palmpilot to the TuxScreen serial and xfer databases. BooHoo delays in wheaties driver trash the serial data. 17:24:10 SpaceCoaster ho hum, time to make the wheaties driver less of a hack. 19:33:24 Russ SpaceCoaster: how's the dehacking going? 19:34:36 SpaceCoaster Russ: hi, not started yet, I was just pondering out loud 19:41:55 SpaceCoaster Russ: I was having some problems with 2.4.16-rmk1-tux2, it was trashing my root JFFS2 filesystem quite frequently has this been fixed/seen? 19:42:10 Russ not seen 19:43:38 SpaceCoaster It seemed to be associated with resetting the tuxscreen without syncing. Never had a problem with 2.4.7. 20:00:36 Russ umm....you might catch jffs2 in the middle of doing something, but its fault tolernt 20:00:43 Russ might give you a few crc errors on reboot 20:01:30 SpaceCoaster It gave hundreds of errors and never recovered, happened 3 or 4 times, then I gave up. 20:01:53 Russ don't think it has happened to me 20:02:07 Russ and haven't seen anything on the mtd lists 20:03:09 SpaceCoaster Russ: thanks, I'll try again, must be something broken here, probably me :-) 20:03:31 Russ don't be too shure 20:05:04 scanline is back (gone 13:13:14) 20:11:01 RedBaron Howdy Tangent 20:11:11 Tangent RedBaron : hi 20:11:43 RedBaron Tangent: How goes? 20:11:54 Tangent RedBaron : Pretty good... just made it home from my new job 20:12:18 Tangent More of an achievement when you realise that home is 200miles from job 20:12:51 RedBaron Tangent: Congratz on the job. 20:12:59 Tangent RedBaron : Thanks 20:13:02 RedBaron Tangent: Thats hell of a trek. 20:13:20 Tangent RedBaron : Nod... but it's only a 9 week contract... I'm staying in hotels during the week 20:13:35 RedBaron Tangent: ah. thats not so bad. 20:13:53 Tangent RedBaron : That's what I figured... and it's a good rate of pay, so I'm happy 20:14:08 RedBaron Tangent: cool. 20:14:28 RedBaron Tangent: I'm still jobless. But at least my girlfriend now has a job. 20:15:04 Tangent RedBaron : How long have you been jobless for? 20:16:46 RedBaron Tangent: Lets see...A month and half now 20:17:47 Tangent RedBaron : Ah.. not so bad then... How're you finding the job market in the states? (and are you contract or permy?) 20:18:36 RedBaron Tangent: I'm looking at both contract and perm. Here in new hampsire, its pure shit. 20:18:52 Tangent RedBaron : Nod.. I think it's a worldwide thing... 20:19:15 RedBaron Tangent: The rest of the country seems to be less than pure shit, but still high grade shit. Its not like NH is a technological center or anything 20:19:48 RedBaron Tangent: Yup. I agree. When I was in Denmark a month ago, they were having lots of the same problems. 20:19:51 Tangent RedBaron : I only managed to get this contract because a.) I got my CV into the agency within 10 mins b.) In spite of them putting the wrong email address on their advert.. I got my CV in... c.) I phoned them immediately, and kept on pestering at least twice a day 20:20:06 Tangent s/10mins/10 mins of the job advert being posted 20:20:21 RedBaron Tangent: *chuckle* sheesh 20:20:30 Tangent Last job I managed to get my CV in for had 27 applicants 20:23:28 RedBaron That reminded me that I needed to call in to the contracting agency. They said what they have been saying for the last 1.5 months. 'It should be getting better. Just call back next week' 20:23:40 RedBaron frolics about in joy and happiness. 20:23:57 Tangent RedBaron : Thay have something? 20:24:24 RedBaron Tangent: Supposidly they have some big contracts being negotiated. And nothing is happening on it till after the holidays. 20:24:51 Tangent RedBaron : Yeah.. that's the same everywhere... I think every corporate is waiting for their new budgets 20:25:08 RedBaron Tangent: Yup. Thats what they said. 20:25:20 Tangent RedBaron : I think they stopped spending in Sep... and haven't had the nerve to start again yet... 20:25:34 Tangent RedBaron : But at least they've started posting 4th qtr profits now :) 20:25:39 RedBaron Tangent: *nod* 20:25:40 Tangent well.. some of them have 20:26:18 Tangent RedBaron : And they all just got rid of loads of staff... so they'll be needing new people for their new projects next year :) 20:31:06 RedBaron Tangent: Ayup. But there will be tons of people around wanting those jobs back. 20:32:10 Tangent RedBaron : yeah.. but you're a contractor... so you'll win 20:32:58 RedBaron Tangent: Hopefully. :) 20:33:55 RedBaron Whee...that was fun 20:37:12 Tangent RedBaron : What happened? X die? 20:41:21 RedBaron Tangent: hehe. Nope. I hit 'enter' on a blank line. And because of how I'm running BitchX, it causes BitchX to exit. 20:42:34 RedBaron Tangent: I'm not sure why, but it does. I'm using a MUD client (TinyFugue) to telnet to localhost, login and run BitchX in dumb terminal mode. Somehow a return with a blank line makes bitchx happily exit (it even says that its happily quiting) 20:42:55 Tangent It said 'EOF from stdin; 20:43:05 Tangent s/\;/\'/ 20:43:16 RedBaron Yup. It did. 20:57:16 AlHazWork interesting 20:57:24 AlHazWork I never saw the appeal of bitchx 20:57:31 SpaceCoaster RedBaron: NH, whereabouts, I'm near Concord 20:57:38 AlHazWork but i had bad first impressions 20:58:25 Tangent AlHazWork : That was what I thought of bitchx too... 20:58:50 RedBaron SpaceCoaster: Manchester. I used to work in Peterborough. 20:58:52 AlHazWork the first time i tried to use it was on a sparc ipc, came with the distribution. cgthree frame buffer runs at 1024x840 or some weird rez, with a 132x50 text console 20:59:28 RedBaron AlHazWork: I just used BitchX because I could run it underneath this MUD client. So I have just one window for all the place I talk on. And I knew about bitchx and it worked. more or less. :) 20:59:31 AlHazWork Fired up bitchx, and it was wrapping text at collumn 80 20:59:42 AlHazWork and had a blue status bar at line 24 21:00:20 AlHazWork Now, I don't profess to be a coder, but in the C class I dropped out of, they did teach us how to use curses 21:01:09 RedBaron AlHazWork: *chuckle* 21:01:11 AlHazWork and not being able to make your text app dynamically recognize the aspect ratio of the terminal is a horribly amateurish error 21:01:38 AlHazWork and only the really stupid kid in that class, who flunked, made that mistake, and even he fixed it within a half hour 21:02:45 AlHazWork this was when bitchx was new and all the k-rad hax0rz on efnet were screaming how kewl it was 21:03:04 AlHazWork so i had limited respect for it to begin with 21:03:22 AlHazWork but i lost that instantly 21:03:55 Tangent AlHazWork : I was already using Pirch98 on a windows box for IRC before I tried bitchX... my response was... 'What.. no gui'... and that was about it 21:04:05 RedBaron AlHazWork: Yeah well...In experience if someone claims to be 37337 and cant spell English words are horrible application programmers. Maybe they can hack. But they cant make a well made program to save their lives. 21:04:30 AlHazWork Tangent: I'd been using ircII 2.8 for quite a while 21:05:10 AlHazWork Tangent: So i was used to grey on black, and all the pretty ansi nonsense in bitchx looked purely like distraction to me 21:06:05 RedBaron AlHazWork: Is ircII graphical or text based? 21:06:09 AlHazWork i used to use gargoyle w/ ircII, on solaris. it worked just fine for me. 21:06:13 AlHazWork RedBaron: text 21:06:27 AlHazWork can do multi-window within the terminal or multiple terminals on X 21:06:30 RedBaron AlHazWork: Can it run without doing any screen control? In a dumb terminal mode? 21:06:39 AlHazWork RedBaron: I don't think so 21:07:01 AlHazWork actually, I think it could, but it sucked so i didn't do it that way 21:07:01 RedBaron AlHazWork: *nod* okay. 21:07:46 RedBaron AlHazWork: I run bitchx underneath another text client program. and I have it run in dumbed down mode. So it doesnt interfer with TinyFugue's terminal control. 21:08:10 cworth I don't like typing unless I'm in emacs, so that's where I IRC, (although I could probably find a better client than this one). 21:09:27 RedBaron cworth: hehe. EMACS, the only text editor that rivals operating systems in complexity. :) Dont get me wrong, I use emacs for all my coding. Its just a bit insane. 21:10:06 cworth RedBaron: ridiculously insane. I love it. (And I know and use vi everyday too). 21:10:39 cworth RedBaron: portable, huh? slick. Did you find a good way to align the two stupid boards? 21:10:46 RedBaron cworth: Yeah. I love it too. Except for when I have to modify its configuration. Then I curse it...A lot. 21:12:10 RedBaron cworth: Well....No. :( I have not. I was pondering soldering on a wire for each pin and running the wires through the feromagnet blocks. But I'm not sure if I should realy do that. 21:12:19 BZFlag anyone on a windows box? try this: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/20010508-ibot.html.gz 21:12:50 cworth RedBaron: ah. That misalignment is sure annoying for things like you're trying. 21:14:01 RedBaron cworth: Oh yeah. It is annoying. But I'm trying to make a webpad like thing out of my tux. So just the innards and the touchscreen. And the two boards offset like normal just fit inside the footprint of the screen (with a little border around its edges) 21:14:41 cworth RedBaron: ah, very nice then. 21:16:08 RedBaron cworth: I had considered mashing it into a standard laptop formation, but that requires more tools than I have access to. For doing metal milling to make a real case. And in that layout the offset boards would matter less. 21:16:50 GPSFan BZFlag: it looks like an ibot log.. I'm using win98 21:17:21 BZFlag GPSFan: sweet. I just wanted to make sure it handles the .gz files ok. 21:18:24 Tangent BZFlag : It's trying to save it to disk... not uncompress it on the fly 21:18:40 GPSFan BZFlag: looks like it works, would be nice if the timestamp included the date, or inserted a date line when the day cahnged. 21:18:41 Tangent BZFlag : Heh... Now you're talking to me on another channel 21:19:33 Tangent BZFlag : If I change the mime-types on the server.. then all the other .tar.gz files will be downloaded uncompressed.. which would suck rather 21:20:59 GPSFan BZFlag: I have no end to problems on my win98 with .gz since it always wants to uncompress them. I guess sometime it's a feature, sometimes a bug... 21:21:13 Tangent GPSFan : It's the server's fault 21:21:20 Tangent GPSFan : It's all down to mime-types 21:21:31 BZFlag GPSFan: one file per day. date at the top 21:21:39 Tangent GPSFan : I get the same problem with nutscrape on linux 21:22:11 GPSFan Tangent: yea, lets blame the server. ;>) 21:22:11 BZFlag GPSFan: so your's auto decompresses? 21:22:18 BZFlag Tangent: and your's does not? 21:22:23 GPSFan BZFlag: that makes good sense.. 21:22:26 Tangent BZFlag : Correct.. mine does now 21:22:37 GPSFan BZFlag: yes. 21:22:50 Tangent s/now/not 21:23:25 BZFlag bummer. 21:23:55 BZFlag then I guess I'll have to decompress them all. ugh 21:24:14 BZFlag they compress well, and that cuts the load time down a lot. 21:24:33 Tangent BZFlag : I wonder if we can mess with the extensions and make ourselves a new mime type? 21:25:20 BZFlag no. I do want to know why your box does not work, but GPSFan's does. 21:25:50 BZFlag what's different? browser version? os release? 21:26:01 GPSFan Tangent: are you useing IE? if so what rev? 21:26:55 GPSFan BZFlag: win98SE IE5.0 21:27:19 Tangent BZFlag : It works properly in lynx.. which is the best test 21:27:40 Tangent BZFlag : I'm using IE 6.0.2600.0000 21:27:53 SpaceCoaster My buildroot-tux can't find http://www.busybox.net/busybox.tar.gz any ideas? 21:28:08 Tangent BZFlag : In fact it works in IE when I kill off getright 21:28:20 BZFlag getright? 21:28:23 Tangent BZFlag : Dodgy download manager 21:28:32 BZFlag ah, file a bug report. ;-) 21:28:44 Tangent BZFlag : Generally useful bit of software... but not this time 21:29:02 BZFlag well I'm going to leave them compressed then. 21:29:50 GPSFan BZFlag: works fine under Netscape on Linux, but then I knew it would. 21:29:51 Tangent BZFlag : Yep.. sounds good :) 21:33:53 Tangent notices that ibot logs it's own replies before it logs the questions that it was asked 21:36:37 Tangent BZFlag : is it possible to tell ibot to return more than 5 results from a 'search for xxx' ? 21:37:20 BZFlag search for 10 xxx 21:37:49 Tangent BZFlag : Thanks 21:38:00 BZFlag I should probably strip out the ibot question lines, they are redundant. 21:39:57 Tangent BZFlag : I don't know.. some of them are quite amusing... I was reading the bit where nikos and I were teaching ibot about sex, drugs and rock&roll 21:41:37 BZFlag heh, but the irc lines are there as well, no? 21:41:53 BZFlag so each question appears twice 21:48:16 BZFlag hmm, you are correct, they are not cooked that way now. just that the answer comes before the question. 21:48:33 BZFlag that should get fixed in infobot itself 21:53:26 BZFlag I'm pleased to see I'm not cooking private bot msgs ;-) 21:55:15 BZFlag now I need a program to cook "cal 2001" into an html page. 21:55:27 BZFlag with the dates as links 22:00:46 Tangent BZFlag : http://www.mattkruse.com/scripts/calendar/ 22:01:10 Tangent BZFlag : Scrub that one... looks like serious overkill 22:15:46 BZFlag well, they are all compressed. now we just need an entry page. 22:15:56 BZFlag and a cronjob ;-) 22:16:01 BZFlag bbiab 22:31:20 RedBaron "sch...did you do the 'make check' in the ext2 tools? 22:31:35 RedBaron Whoops. Wrong window 22:59:23 Morn any networking guru's here? 23:00:28 AlHazWork yup 23:00:31 AlHazWork what's up? 23:00:53 Morn I'm experiencing troubles connecting to my co-lo server 23:01:00 Morn and I am running mtr (matt's trace route) 23:01:10 AlHazWork *nod* 23:01:14 AlHazWork I'm familiar with mtr 23:01:28 Morn and at the gateway between globix and hostcentric the pings go from 85ms to 3800ms 23:01:42 Morn and I'm losing 25-30% of the packets 23:01:59 Morn This is a continual problem that I have written them about and I get ignored... 23:02:05 Morn is it just time to find a new provider? 23:02:16 AlHazWork Sounds like it 23:02:34 AlHazWork either they have a hardware or configuration problem and don't care, or they're oversold 23:02:38 Morn what would cause that increase int ping times though? 23:02:43 Morn that seems very severe 23:03:15 Morn I used to work for Hostcentric, they have over a gigabit of connectivity coming in there 23:03:19 AlHazWork Well, I've heard of outfits that take a T1 and then run a 40mbit backbone to all their customers 23:03:23 Morn I can't imagine it's oversold 23:03:31 AlHazWork "You get a 40mbit link! (to our other customers) 23:04:13 AlHazWork well, if there's a router problem - say, a bad card or something, that could easily do it 23:04:41 Morn do you know if there is a tool that will create a nice graph of this data? kinda like take what mtr finds and graph it 23:04:41 AlHazWork or if they've got something misconfigured so it runs every packet around in circles before forwarding them, it could overload the buffer and cpu on the router 23:04:47 Morn I want to show the problem 23:05:03 Morn I've tried sending the output of mtr 23:05:07 Morn but it gets me no where 23:05:19 AlHazWork never really had a use for one, when i was in that business we had people who's job it was to argue with the upstream provider 23:05:23 AlHazWork so i dunno 23:05:47 AlHazWork Your best bet is probably to do whatever social engineering needed to get in contact with someone who actually runs their network 23:06:20 AlHazWork who will either tell you to FOAD because they can't do anything about it, or apologize that they're having trouble fixing it, or actually fix it 23:07:00 Morn When I was working there we didn't have these troubles... 23:07:08 Morn becuase I was monitoring for them before it happened... 23:07:20 Morn now they don't have anyone who knows anything or even gives a damn 23:07:21 GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 1 hours, 21 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: i am some kind of crazy freak. i have never had an nvidia problem on this machine [Wed Dec 12 21:46:11 2001] 23:07:21 scanline ibot, seen GoRK? 23:07:24 Morn it's sad 23:07:25 AlHazWork Electric Lightwave here in utah used to have a 40mbit copper link between salt lake city and orem, and they had sold over a gigabit of bandwidth on it 23:07:59 Morn I'm limited to .5Mb on the server 23:08:08 Morn but I'm lucky when I get 1/2 that in speed 23:08:11 i_bot is trying to take over the world. 23:08:11 Keyser ibot: i_bot? 23:08:16 AlHazWork it was just plain stupid. They'd sold us 6mbit but we rarely got over 2 23:08:28 AlHazWork and casual testing showed that they'd capped us at 3 anyway 23:08:42 AlHazWork but whenever we complained, they'd provision us 6 for a few days, and then cap it back down at 3 23:08:51 Morn Why do they do things like that? It's just dishonest 23:08:59 AlHazWork we finally told them to get bent and switched to Qwest 23:09:14 Morn I'm a programmer/sys admin, not a network engineer 23:09:31 Morn I'm just trying to run a small business now doing hosting for some companines... 23:09:40 Morn But, my clients complain when their sites are slow 23:09:47 Morn It's a catch 22 23:09:56 AlHazWork There's pretty much no such thing as an honest 2nd or 3rd level carrier 23:10:32 AlHazWork It's also possible that your hosting provider is using a bandwidth limiting device that's overloaded 23:11:03 Morn they use 'officers' basically freebsd boxes that control bandwidth, but that is later in the chain 23:11:07 Morn I used to set them up 23:11:19 Morn this is between globix and hostcentric gateways 23:11:37 AlHazWork hmm 23:11:53 AlHazWork so it's a peering issue between those two 23:12:00 AlHazWork you could call globix 23:12:02 Morn right 23:12:20 Morn I'd piss someone off at Hostcentric if I did that 23:12:34 AlHazWork but hostcentric isn't doing anything about it, right? 23:13:06 Morn no they aren't... I have one low level tech that agrees that there is a problem, but he can't do anything to fix it or get it fixed 23:13:14 Morn he's about to quit there because of it 23:13:33 Morn I left because they were getting rid of all the higher paid people who had a clue and hiring lower know nothing types 23:13:43 AlHazWork maybe he can tell you how to go over his head 23:13:45 Morn My co-workers begged me to come back 23:13:55 AlHazWork just don't use your real name when you call the upstream provider :) 23:14:13 Morn giggle 23:14:45 Morn I'll talk to Bob in the morning and try one more time 23:15:10 Morn Part of the trouble is I get a reduced price for the service because the old owner was my friend and gave me a break as a good employee 23:15:12 AlHazWork if he can even tell you what the actual problem is, tho he's prolly under three different NDAs on the issue 23:15:26 Morn now he has no control and people are belly aching that I don't pay enough for the service 23:17:30 AlHazWork ah, bummer 23:18:12 Morn but what they want for co-located servers is insane 23:18:17 Morn I can't see how they stay in business 23:19:22 prpplague howdy all 23:21:28 Morn considers writing a letter to the president of the company and telling him exactly how badly the network is managed and show exactly what is wrong. 23:21:39 Morn that'll get me disconnected in a hurry I'm afraid 23:22:06 Morn starts the letter off with "Dear Sirs, Your stupid and here's why..." 23:22:25 AlHazWork heh 23:23:09 Morn well, I'm gonna watch a movie, now that I have both video and sound from the computer on the TV it is nice to watch movies on it 23:32:27 signal11 how much do they want for colocated servers? 23:34:38 signal11 most prices are ridiculously high 23:43:29 kernelwork c'mon $400/month isn't too much for a 1U server with 2 GB/month :) 23:53:48 Tangent spse : Evening Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! 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