| 00:06:55 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 00:15:20 | jacques | hi all |
| 00:21:47 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: hello.... |
| 00:26:49 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: if something is say built against ulibc can it run against glibc without recompliation? |
| 00:32:02 | jacques | ctr: I sincerely doubt that |
| 00:32:22 | ctr | ok |
| 00:32:25 | ctr | thats what i thought |
| 00:32:29 | jacques | ctr: hmmm but it's worth a try |
| 00:32:47 | jacques | ctr: I just remembered that uClibc (in general) uses the glibc header files |
| 00:32:59 | ctr | well thats what i was thinking |
| 00:33:18 | ctr | because linux does runtime symbol lookup doesn't it? |
| 00:33:18 | jacques | ctr: hmm, but there's other things involved, like crt.o |
| 00:33:37 | jacques | yeah I believe it does |
| 00:34:00 | jacques | ctr: my gut says no way, but I dont know enough to say for sure |
| 00:34:34 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 days, 16 hours, 4 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: ngiht [Sat Dec 8 08:30:33 2001] |
| 00:34:34 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 00:34:55 | jacques | hmm, he was on yesterday while ipt was off |
| 00:34:59 | | yes, jacques? |
| 00:34:59 | jacques | ibot |
| 00:35:14 | | jacques: i'm not following you... |
| 00:35:14 | jacques | ibot: don't ever leave me |
| 01:10:52 | jacques | hi Tangent |
| 01:11:08 | Tangent | jacques :Evening |
| 01:15:21 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: To answer a long past question, no... |
| 01:16:01 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: ok :) |
| 01:18:20 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Andersee was in Finland at last check |
| 01:20:07 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: heh, cool |
| 01:30:39 | Morn | I found the instructions on the web for setting the time on my watch! |
| 01:32:05 | jacques | Tangent: I built a toolchain that does not internal compiler error on xfree anymore |
| 01:32:06 | AeroSpace | Morn: Is it that hard to do? |
| 01:32:18 | Tangent | jacques : Oh well done :) |
| 01:32:40 | jacques | Tangent: heh |
| 01:32:40 | Morn | AeroSpace: takes 3 buttons used in the proper order with some buttons held for a particular length of time |
| 01:32:51 | ctr | hmm |
| 01:32:51 | Morn | the odds of figuring it out without the directions are slim |
| 01:32:54 | ctr | i need a watch |
| 01:32:59 | Tangent | jacques : I have my iPAQ booting properly again.. (finally) |
| 01:33:00 | jacques | Tangent: I cant take too much credit - I used a patch by Phil Blundell |
| 01:33:13 | Morn | I need a watch that can do ntp updates |
| 01:33:40 | jacques | Morn: there is a watch on thinkgeek that gets atomic clock updates |
| 01:33:46 | AeroSpace | Morn: Get a datalink watch from Timex. I've updated the library to work with the Ironman version. |
| 01:34:13 | Morn | Ironman? I don't think my wrist would look right with a watch with that name... |
| 01:35:15 | AeroSpace | Morn: Why wouldn't they include instructions for setting the time? What kind of a watch is that? They also have another model that is smaller. |
| 01:35:22 | jacques | heh it is a big watch - i dont know if hey have a "lady's" version |
| 01:35:44 | Morn | AeroSpace: it came with directions, but I've had the watch for years and didn't have the directions any more |
| 01:37:10 | AeroSpace | Morn: Makes sense. My watches probably average about the same length as their batteries. |
| 01:37:40 | Morn | yeah... and this one seems to be doing well, I can't remember when I got it, but it was before I went in the hospital 3 years ago |
| 01:39:12 | Morn | after a fight I got the evolution pilot conduits working with evolution 1.0 |
| 01:41:00 | jacques | Tangent: do you know if I have permission to add files to ftp.handhelds.org ? |
| 01:41:18 | Tangent | jacques : No idea... |
| 01:41:28 | Tangent | jacques : You can put stuff in intimate tho' |
| 01:43:04 | jacques | Tangent: OK, I think I am going to put my new toolchain up |
| 01:43:58 | jacques | Tangent: I also uploaded the minimal xfree source needed to build tinyx and libs |
| 01:44:16 | jacques | Tangent: it's from oct 10th - the day before keith changed all the input code and broke ts |
| 01:44:46 | Tangent | jacques : Make a dir for it, and stick something on the news page... |
| 01:44:56 | Tangent | jacques : The news page is long overdue an update |
| 01:45:20 | jacques | Tangent: okey |
| 01:52:41 | jacques | Tangent: what's the proper way to update the news page? |
| 01:52:45 | jacques | hi GoRK |
| 01:52:50 | Tangent | jacques : vi |
| 01:53:15 | jacques | heh okay |
| 01:53:23 | Tangent | jacques : Actually I used an eval copy of dreamweaver to make the pages |
| 01:54:13 | jacques | Tangent: file is not group writable |
| 01:56:26 | jacques | Tangent: heh never mind - I have write perms on the dir |
| 01:56:48 | Tangent | jacques : Nod.. you should have write perms for all of intimate stuff |
| 02:00:34 | jacques | Tangent: I had to move the file and copy it |
| 02:00:54 | Tangent | jacques : Why@ |
| 02:00:56 | Tangent | ? |
| 02:01:59 | jacques | Tangent: because file was owned by you and not group writable |
| 02:02:18 | Tangent | jacques : That's easily fixed |
| 02:02:33 | jacques | oh crap |
| 02:02:41 | jacques | i gues I could have chmod'ed the file |
| 02:02:46 | jacques | ? |
| 02:02:54 | Tangent | Well, I certainly can |
| 02:03:14 | jacques | boodle: !! |
| 02:04:14 | boodle | jacques: how do |
| 02:04:27 | jacques | ok, I cant chmod files not owned by me so I had to copy |
| 02:04:42 | jacques | boodle: how's it going? you have tuxscreen? |
| 02:05:09 | boodle | jacques: yepper. got 2 of them. I have one booting but need to catch up with all that's happening with them now.. |
| 02:05:21 | boodle | jacques: making pygtk for ipaq unstable right now |
| 02:05:56 | jacques | boodle: gool |
| 02:05:59 | jacques | cool |
| 02:05:59 | boodle | wants to pivot_root off a 2.4.16+ kernel if possible |
| 02:06:13 | boodle | and doing lots of funky stuff to scream :) |
| 02:07:04 | jacques | boodle: we have 2.4.16-rmk2 now |
| 02:07:41 | boodle | jacques: cool. now your using ulibc, correct? |
| 02:08:20 | jacques | boodle: yep |
| 02:08:55 | jacques | boodle: on tuxscreen - not ipaq |
| 02:09:43 | boodle | jacques: I'd like to use normal libc (right tux) and pivot off to udrive.. I have the 32MB installed so if it recognizes it, that's a good footprint for 'normal' operation |
| 02:11:43 | jacques | boodle: is your extra RAM recognized? |
| 02:12:00 | jacques | boodle: you maybe need a new blob ? |
| 02:13:20 | boodle | jacques: dunno :) it's been a while since I touched tuxscreen.. been fiddling with ipaq ia-1's and audrey some.. with holiday vacation coming I'll try and tackle it. |
| 02:15:24 | jacques | biab - food |
| 02:52:44 | jacques | back |
| 02:54:57 | prpplague | from the dead? |
| 02:55:11 | jacques | from carl's jr. |
| 02:55:56 | prpplague | ?? conveince store?? pub ?? |
| 02:57:17 | jacques | heh, it's a hamburger joint |
| 02:57:29 | prpplague | cool |
| 02:57:31 | jacques | like mcdonald's but better |
| 02:57:41 | prpplague | check this out - http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3193512578.html |
| 02:58:11 | prpplague | linuxdevices.com did an article on my tcs |
| 02:59:27 | jacques | cool |
| 02:59:40 | jacques | can you stick a gigaherts athlon in there? |
| 02:59:44 | jacques | hertz |
| 03:07:41 | prpplague | jacques: i'm afraid not |
| 03:07:56 | prpplague | jacques: however the tcsx-4 will have an arm core |
| 03:09:59 | Russ | Morn: if you expect firewall rules to be there on reboot, you need to save/restore them or put them in a script |
| 03:12:40 | Morn | Russ: I put it in the rc.firewall script (which has all the other rules) |
| 03:13:09 | prpplague | argh, esr and rmk are on a terror about the undocumented arm symbols |
| 03:15:33 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: arguing with each other? |
| 03:17:07 | prpplague | argh, that and on the developers to submit info |
| 03:24:17 | Russ | Morn: so its ok now? |
| 03:27:20 | Morn | no, I can't get the one rule to work |
| 03:27:42 | Morn | I just want to forward packets from port 8080 on eth2 to port 80 on the sparc |
| 03:33:53 | Russ | I thought it was working? |
| 03:34:02 | Russ | maybe its after a drop on the chain now |
| 03:35:30 | Morn | Russ: I can't even get the rule in the chain |
| 03:35:39 | Russ | ? |
| 03:35:42 | Morn | I enter the rule and it never shows up |
| 03:35:55 | Russ | try -L -v |
| 03:36:28 | Russ | 58 2944 ACCEPT tcp -- eth1 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh state NEW |
| 03:36:35 | Russ | er |
| 03:36:40 | Russ | no, thats not it |
| 03:36:44 | Russ | it doesn't show up there |
| 03:37:18 | prpplague | lousy bajan internet |
| 03:37:21 | jacques | prpplague: nice |
| 03:37:22 | Russ | iptables -t nat -L -v |
| 03:37:32 | jacques | prpplague: when can I get me one o fthe ARM ones? |
| 03:37:40 | Russ | 58 2944 DNAT tcp -- eth1 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh to:10.10.79.12 |
| 03:37:43 | prpplague | not for a while |
| 03:37:52 | prpplague | i'm still working on the prototypes |
| 03:37:53 | jacques | prpplague: xscale? |
| 03:38:10 | prpplague | jacques: i've been looking in the arm+net series |
| 03:38:19 | prpplague | jacques: www.netsilicon.com |
| 03:38:25 | Morn | 0 0 DNAT tcp -- eth2 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:http-alt to:192.168.0.10:80 |
| 03:38:36 | Morn | ok it's there, but it isn't working |
| 03:39:00 | Russ | the packets are probably getting dropped |
| 03:39:14 | Russ | what is your forward policy? |
| 03:39:37 | jacques | prpplague: includes a NIC? |
| 03:39:45 | Morn | ACCEPT all -- 192.168.0.0/24 anywhere |
| 03:39:54 | Russ | the policy |
| 03:40:09 | prpplague | jacques: yes the arm+net has ethernet on the SOC |
| 03:40:34 | prpplague | jacques: looks like we be able to get the entire cost of the unit down to around $125 |
| 03:40:41 | Morn | /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:40:45 | Russ | ...no |
| 03:40:50 | Russ | iptables -L -v |
| 03:40:56 | Russ | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) |
| 03:41:18 | Morn | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 19073 packets, 5964K bytes) |
| 03:41:18 | Morn | pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination |
| 03:41:18 | Morn | 23404 2412K ACCEPT all -- any any 192.168.0.0/24 anywhere |
| 03:41:39 | Russ | and those are you only forward rules? |
| 03:41:46 | Russ | s/you/your/ |
| 03:41:46 | Morn | right |
| 03:41:53 | jacques | prpplague: Whooo!!! |
| 03:42:13 | Russ | why the rule?, your default policy is already accept, just to count packets? |
| 03:42:18 | prpplague | jacques: still a while away from mass production |
| 03:42:39 | Morn | it was in the example :-( |
| 03:42:49 | jacques | prpplague: ah well, someday |
| 03:42:58 | Russ | Morn: what do you want the box to do, masq? |
| 03:43:16 | Morn | yes, to be the gateway for the local lan |
| 03:43:36 | Morn | which it does right now, that part works |
| 03:43:48 | Russ | lemme show you mine |
| 03:44:00 | Morn | I just can't get people to access the solaris web server from outside (via port 8080) |
| 03:45:50 | Morn | hmmm, that's interesting, doing iptables -F doesn't really flush everything |
| 03:47:08 | Morn | I think it 'almost' worked, I got a different error from the otherside |
| 03:47:14 | Russ | comments stuff |
| 03:47:15 | Morn | unexpected network error |
| 03:48:06 | Morn | nmap shows the port open now |
| 03:48:28 | cpenguin_home | ARGH! I really, really hate initrds |
| 03:48:37 | Morn | Russ: it works! |
| 03:48:40 | Morn | bounces! |
| 03:49:03 | Morn | now will it work after reboot? |
| 03:49:05 | Morn | prays. |
| 03:49:27 | Morn | Russ: try http://julie.dyn.magenet.com:8080/mp3 |
| 03:51:04 | Russ | okie |
| 03:51:20 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: whats wrong with initrds? |
| 03:51:42 | cpenguin_home | ahh, I can't get it to load.... just locks up the damn system.... |
| 03:51:52 | Russ | that should be a fairly tight ruleset |
| 03:52:02 | Russ | er |
| 03:52:03 | Russ | wait |
| 03:52:05 | cpenguin_home | I think I've been staring at it too long..... hopefully MTD will work on it, and I can toss all this away |
| 03:52:11 | Russ | take that one actually |
| 03:52:33 | Morn | ok |
| 03:52:47 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: you probably already know this, but some initrd images are damaged when stored on msdos or vfat fs |
| 03:52:50 | Morn | well, I got TV-Out working from my GeForce3 card tonight too |
| 03:52:56 | Morn | that'll be nice for watching movies |
| 03:53:26 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: its all linux..... I'm going to start ignoring it now... |
| 03:54:22 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: go drink a beer, make fun of some m$ users, and think about how to have middle-east peace.... |
| 03:54:22 | Russ | my /etc/ethers contains the arp of my gateway to try to avoid arp spoofing (at least of what I send) |
| 03:56:12 | cpenguin_home | Somethigs wrong here |
| 03:56:54 | cpenguin_home | prpplague: middle-east peace? Thats probably more frustrating than the initrd |
| 03:57:40 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: see you already are feeling better about work on the initrd instead |
| 03:58:20 | Russ | how are initcd images damaged on vfat? |
| 03:59:12 | prpplague | Russ: i'm not sure of the particulers, but it is my understanding that msdos/vfat fragments the compressed image so that it can not be uncompressed properly |
| 04:00:03 | Russ | oh, you mean if you try to load them off a vfat |
| 04:00:14 | Russ | that would be the boot loaders fault if it has trouble |
| 04:01:43 | prpplague | russ: i've had problems simply storing the image on msdos/vfat, i tried 3 different tests, linux->ftp->dos->ftp->linux , linux->smb->dos->smb->linux , and linux->dos-floppy->linux |
| 04:02:02 | prpplague | Russ: all three tests damaged the image |
| 04:02:33 | Russ | that would be a serious bug in some driver then |
| 04:02:41 | prpplague | Russ: however i was able to dl a image from the web via winblows box and then ftp back to linux |
| 04:02:41 | Russ | the md5sum no longer matches? |
| 04:03:02 | prpplague | Russ: md5sum no longer matches |
| 04:03:47 | prpplague | Russ: i'm reasonable certain it wasn't just me, however i didn't have to dig deeper, i just avoid using initrd's under msdos/vfat |
| 04:09:20 | prpplague | Russ: i'm not an expert nor a guru |
| 04:18:39 | cpenguin_home | Geez... my ISP dumped me after an hour... they're not suppost to do that... |
| 04:24:19 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: you didn't solve middle-east peace while you were away? |
| 04:26:16 | cpenguin_home | Nah.... |
| 04:26:53 | cpenguin_home | I decided to write my company's white paper response to M$ instead.... |
| 04:27:30 | cpenguin_home | http://microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp |
| 04:34:56 | jacques | hi BZFlag how goes it? |
| 04:37:43 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: ya thats a real hoot |
| 04:39:39 | BZFlag | http://Cameron.Rikers.org/ |
| 04:41:03 | jacques | * An OS foundation with proven performance and reliability |
| 04:41:06 | jacques | WTF??? |
| 04:41:15 | jacques | are they talking about windoze??? |
| 04:41:18 | GPSFan | BZFlag: congrat's, that url doesn't resolve for me (yet?) |
| 04:41:23 | GPSFan | prpplague: there is also a big article on embedded OS's in this months IEEE Spectrum. |
| 04:41:39 | jacques | BZFlag: CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:42:17 | cpenguin_home | jacques: Yeah, you know that XP has been out for what, 2 months? Thats stable for a Microsoft product... |
| 04:42:25 | cpenguin_home | BZFlag: Congrats... :) |
| 04:43:05 | jacques | Broad interoperability with Microsoft® .NET® - BWAAAHHHHH ha aha haaaaa |
| 04:44:58 | jacques | I CANT BELIEVE how microshit is trying to spin choice (multiple wm's and browsers) as a bad thing!!! |
| 04:45:18 | jacques | im stopping reading that now |
| 04:45:32 | jacques | what a POS |
| 04:45:36 | BZFlag | bows. thanx all. just checking in, back from the hospital. digging through email. ;-) |
| 04:45:48 | cpenguin_home | jacques: How about the part where Linux isn't an innovator becuase we don't support "industry leading technology like Passport... " |
| 04:45:56 | BZFlag | ok, try http://Rikers.org/cameron/ |
| 04:46:05 | jacques | BZFlag: but the important thing is - did the tuxscreens go out today? :-D :-D |
| 04:46:10 | jacques | (just kidding) |
| 04:46:38 | BZFlag | nope. the international orders shipped last night, the US orders are delayed, I hope to get to them tomorrow. ;-) |
| 04:46:59 | jacques | damn, think they have enough crap attached to the poor kid? |
| 04:47:19 | jacques | BTW, is it a boy or girl? |
| 04:47:23 | BZFlag | yeah. =( he's having a little troube breathing. |
| 04:47:38 | jacques | ah :-\ |
| 04:47:41 | BZFlag | boy. Guess I should note that with the female camerons around now. |
| 04:47:47 | jacques | nod |
| 04:48:03 | BZFlag | We don't expect anything serious, but taking precautions anyway. |
| 04:48:57 | jacques | wise |
| 04:50:02 | jacques | BZFlag: first kid? |
| 04:50:31 | BZFlag | 2nd |
| 04:50:41 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/HenryLyon/ ;-) |
| 04:50:46 | jacques | ah you should be used to all the minor complications then |
| 04:51:03 | BZFlag | yeah, henry had more complications. |
| 04:51:38 | BZFlag | a week of IVs and then antibiotics [sp?] at home for a few days. he's fine though. I expect cameron will be fine too. |
| 04:51:51 | jacques | nod |
| 04:52:44 | jacques | usually the first kid is really well behaved and the second is a hellion |
| 04:52:57 | Russ | BZFlag: would you like to tryto get rid of a few hundred on my uni? |
| 04:53:17 | prpplague | BZFlag: congrats, she looks like a winner |
| 04:53:47 | jacques | arg, not before I get to make my second order |
| 04:53:52 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll have to pick up a copy of the spectrum |
| 04:54:12 | cpenguin_home | GPSFan: What was the focus of the article? |
| 04:54:27 | BZFlag | Russ: huh? "on my uni"? |
| 04:54:32 | Russ | my university |
| 04:54:35 | Russ | ASU |
| 04:54:37 | GPSFan | prpplague: actually one of 3 good articles. first in about a year. |
| 04:55:11 | jacques | builds YAT |
| 04:55:19 | jacques | Yet Another Toolchain |
| 04:55:22 | BZFlag | ah, for teaching embedded linux, sure! But my contract with HabCom restricts the price. still, as you all know, $99 is a deal. ;-) |
| 04:55:28 | GPSFan | cpenguin_home: a battle is going on between the originbal embedded OS folks, and the new commers Linux & M$ |
| 04:55:45 | BZFlag | prpplague: he. ;-0 |
| 04:55:46 | Russ | BZFlag: embedded anything actually |
| 04:56:07 | BZFlag | Russ: sure. as long and they don't put CE on them ;-) |
| 04:56:21 | jacques | or sell them on ebay |
| 04:56:30 | BZFlag | heh, yeah, that too. |
| 04:56:36 | cpenguin_home | GPSFan: Ahhh... I guess a good chunk of that was trying to decide what "embedded" means |
| 04:56:54 | prpplague | BZFlag: doh |
| 04:57:21 | GPSFan | cpenguin_home: they talk about RTOS's and how the current & future players fit into that and non-RTOS systems. |
| 04:57:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: sorry, did n't look close enough |
| 04:57:54 | BZFlag | prpplague: no prob. I just updated the page at jacques prompting to include that info. ;-) |
| 04:59:41 | GPSFan | jacques: where is this new tool chain? and is it as good as your last one?? |
| 05:00:22 | jacques | GPSFan: the one you are using is very old - I made it in july or something |
| 05:00:43 | jacques | GPSFan: I found a new Phil Blundell patch to gcc |
| 05:00:52 | jacques | GPSFan: this one should be sweet |
| 05:01:15 | GPSFan | jacques: oooo! it works though. is the new one smaller? |
| 05:01:41 | cpenguin_home | "Embedded linux provides a standard kernel but no standard device level API" |
| 05:01:44 | jacques | GPSFan: that one has problems with about 2 files in xfree - internal compiler errors |
| 05:01:45 | prpplague | BZFlag: i got a nice review from john lombardo on linuxdevices.com - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7873624936.html |
| 05:02:00 | cpenguin_home | What the hell? Ever heard of a little thing called POSIX? |
| 05:02:11 | jacques | GPSFan: this new one should compile those files fine (at least the intemediate chain I built yestreday did) |
| 05:02:37 | jacques | cpenguin_home: yeah I had to stop reading - my blood pressure went up about 40 points |
| 05:03:23 | GPSFan | jacques: good, I've built about everything I could with the old one and I haven't had any problems since I fixed my CPU. |
| 05:04:17 | cpenguin_home | Wow... I don't even know where to start with this one... |
| 05:04:27 | jacques | GPSFan: yeah this error ony shows up very rarely - but it's been annoying me for months |
| 05:05:25 | GPSFan | jacques: did you make the new build-root rmk2-tux1? |
| 05:05:29 | jacques | GPSFan: it would not be hard to make the toolchian much smaller if one knew what it was going ot be used for - there are some huge .a files in there and lots of locales for example |
| 05:06:03 | jacques | GPSFan: yeah it built for me once I substituted an older busybox - patch didn't apply to the one it downloaded |
| 05:06:27 | prpplague | cpenguin_home: i hope you do a nice response, m$ needs to branch out into the fertilizer business, because thats the biggest load of bs i've seen in a long time |
| 05:07:14 | GPSFan | jacques: I had the same problem, but found that the busybox patch that it got was older than the one in CVS. I substituted the newer one and off it went. |
| 05:07:35 | jacques | GPSFan: aah, good to know |
| 05:08:04 | jacques | prpplague: yeah, it's notable even for MS |
| 05:08:56 | GPSFan | jacques: it also looks like there were no pcmcia ethernet drivers built. and I get 2 strange error messages from cardmgr during boot. |
| 05:10:25 | jacques | GPSFan: what were the errors? |
| 05:10:36 | jacques | GPSFan: unable to reset error is normal |
| 05:11:48 | GPSFan | jacques: cardmgr(12) cannot access /lib/modules/1.4.16-rmk2-tux1 and cardmgr(12) could not open /var/run/cardmgr.pid |
| 05:12:16 | jacques | well there are no modules so that's normal |
| 05:12:21 | jacques | not sure about the other |
| 05:12:38 | GPSFan | jacques: I know about the reset message, these were just after Freeing Memory: 68K |
| 05:13:10 | GPSFan | jacques: do I have to build all the modules seperately? |
| 05:13:32 | jacques | not sure how critical the /var/run/cardmgr.pid mesage is - only used by scripts that want to start/stop the cardmgr |
| 05:13:57 | jacques | GPSFan: right now in buildroot all the modules are built into the kernel |
| 05:14:19 | jacques | GPSFan: because it's the most efficient use of space |
| 05:14:43 | GPSFan | jacques: ok, how do I know which ones are ther, all of them? |
| 05:14:48 | jacques | GPSFan: is you want drivers not builtin you could either edit the config file in sources or build them and put them in your root |
| 05:15:40 | prpplague | goes to check raid cabinets |
| 05:16:18 | jacques | GPSFan: hmmm, dmesg is one way - as long as the driver prints something when it's initialized |
| 05:16:21 | GPSFan | jacques: I'm about to do the 5V mod, and wanted to know if my MHZ ehternet card was supported, it is on the list. |
| 05:16:37 | jacques | GPSFan: do you know which chipset it is? |
| 05:16:50 | jacques | GPSFan: best way is probably to look at the kernel config file in sources |
| 05:18:44 | GPSFan | jacques: Reading thru=ough the pcmcia stuff that got downloaded I found the card p/n and .c file. dmesg says orinoco, hermes & xirc2pc. |
| 05:20:24 | GPSFan | jacques: so I soould be able to compile that module seperately, put it in /lib/modules, and it should be ok? |
| 05:20:28 | jacques | GPSFan: which .c file is it? |
| 05:21:49 | jacques | GPSFan: it's possible the module is already builtin |
| 05:22:00 | GPSFan | jacques: I turned off my Linux development machine in prep for ZZland, and I've forgotten ;>P |
| 05:22:24 | cpenguin_home | Hey, how many SMP processors does the latest kernel support? Anyone know? |
| 05:22:38 | jacques | cpenguin_home: at least 8 |
| 05:22:57 | jacques | I think :-\ |
| 05:23:13 | GPSFan | jacques: the card is a CC10BT, and was listed in the .c as being supported. |
| 05:23:14 | jacques | i think it supports 8 but is not ideal |
| 05:23:39 | GPSFan | jacques: I'll try that tomorrow, and see how it goes. |
| 05:23:58 | prpplague_raid | cpenguin_home: we have rhat7.1 running on a 8 processor system right out of the box |
| 05:24:15 | cpenguin_home | limited number of CPUs my ass..... I've having lots of fun with this... |
| 05:24:48 | jacques | sorry sam coming |
| 05:24:50 | jacques | spam |
| 05:24:57 | jacques | GPSFan: look at this: |
| 05:24:59 | jacques | # |
| 05:24:59 | jacques | # PCMCIA network device support |
| 05:24:59 | jacques | # |
| 05:24:59 | jacques | CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA=y |
| 05:25:00 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_3C589=y |
| 05:25:01 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_3C574=y |
| 05:25:02 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_FMVJ18X=y |
| 05:25:04 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_PCNET=y |
| 05:25:06 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_NMCLAN=y |
| 05:25:08 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_SMC91C92=y |
| 05:25:10 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_XIRC2PS=y |
| 05:25:12 | jacques | # CONFIG_PCMCIA_AXNET is not set |
| 05:25:14 | jacques | # CONFIG_ARCNET_COM20020_CS is not set |
| 05:25:18 | jacques | # CONFIG_PCMCIA_IBMTR is not set |
| 05:25:20 | jacques | CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA_RADIO=y |
| 05:25:22 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_RAYCS=y |
| 05:25:24 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_NETWAVE=y |
| 05:25:26 | jacques | CONFIG_PCMCIA_WAVELAN=y |
| 05:25:28 | jacques | # CONFIG_AIRONET4500_CS is not set |
| 05:25:30 | jacques | GPSFan: all the ones =y are builtin to the kernel |
| 05:25:41 | jacques | cpenguin_home: well anything < infinity is limited |
| 05:26:02 | GPSFan | jacques: I think it was smc91c92 |
| 05:26:19 | jacques | GPSFan: then it's already in your kernel |
| 05:26:41 | jacques | GPSFan: what does "cardctl ident" say? |
| 05:26:53 | GPSFan | jacques: well when I get the 5v mi=od done it should just work. ;>) |
| 05:27:12 | GPSFan | s/mi=od/mod |
| 05:27:21 | jacques | GPSFan: are you sure you need the mod? I have 2 diff cards that claim to be 5V that work fine in 3.3V |
| 05:27:30 | GPSFan | time ofr bed, kant type animor. |
| 05:28:31 | GPSFan | jacques: I can read the card's CIS at 3.3v but get no lights, and the modprobe/insmod doesn't find it. |
| 05:29:04 | jacques | GPSFan: ah |
| 05:29:35 | GPSFan | jacques: maybe I'll just hardwire one slot for 5V. |
| 05:30:37 | jacques | GPSFan: that would work |
| 05:31:12 | GPSFan | jacques: yea, especially if I dedicate thatcard to Tux service. |
| 05:32:32 | GPSFan | jacques: I;ve got to whip up a jtag interface too, my original tux inferno'ed itself, and overwrote the sboot with trash. ;>( |
| 05:33:17 | jacques | GPSFan: :-( |
| 05:33:38 | GPSFan | indeed. |
| 05:34:42 | jacques | heh |
| 05:34:49 | jacques | xrandr works on the tuxscreen |
| 05:35:24 | jacques | I was screwing around with it the other night |
| 05:35:39 | jacques | it allows rotating the X screen on the fly |
| 05:37:38 | GPSFan | niteall ... |
| 05:47:08 | thekernel | Anyone alive? |
| 05:47:24 | cpenguin_home | great, there goes the neighborhood |
| 05:47:38 | thekernel | Yes it does... |
| 05:48:23 | thekernel | I drained my oil and took the cover to my oil pump off just to find that I didn't have the replacement cover... My car goes into day 3 of downtime... |
| 05:48:39 | cpenguin_home | So how is that different than usual? :-) |
| 05:49:08 | thekernel | My car is a good car when I don't back into things and damage the mufler so I need to replace it. (and other stuff while I'm in there) |
| 05:49:31 | cpenguin_home | I'm writing that whitepaper right now |
| 05:49:40 | thekernel | Linux vs XP? |
| 05:49:58 | cpenguin_home | Yeah... this is hilarious... check this disclaiimer out: |
| 05:50:49 | cpenguin_home | Damn, my copy is broken... but you can read it on the website... |
| 05:51:58 | thekernel | My car could have been running today had the tools I needed been available last night and if that oil pump cover come with the oil pump... I'm replacing that so I can get rid of my oil filter mod so I don't have to cut a part of my mufler off when installing it. |
| 05:52:41 | BZFlag | nite |
| 05:53:44 | thekernel | is back to having a loud car :( |
| 05:55:10 | thekernel | cpenguin_home: are you using dialup? |
| 05:55:56 | cpenguin_home | yeah, believe it or not |
| 05:56:01 | thekernel | I'm sorry |
| 06:04:21 | thekernel | 'night cosmic |
| 06:05:17 | cpenguin_home | bye |
| 06:08:35 | cpenguin_home | "Networking support in embedded Linux is simply not as comprehensive and feature-rich as that in Windows" |
| 06:08:45 | cpenguin_home | Ladies and gentlemen, that is bullshit... |
| 06:45:04 | Russ | wtf are you reading? |
| 06:48:39 | Russ | ah |
| 06:48:41 | Russ | "Why Microsoft Windows XP Embedded and Not Embedded Linux?" |
| 06:49:18 | Russ | ok...my platform is a 16M ram/2M flash SA-1100 device...lets see why I should use XP |
| 06:50:16 | Russ | wait... |
| 06:50:42 | Russ | "There are multiple implementations of other major OS components, so developers end up working with different programming environments and tools for each device" |
| 06:50:59 | Russ | do they mean, "its different from windows, so you'll have to rewrite it for linux"? |
| 06:52:11 | Russ | "* Red Hat's v7.1 has support for only four USB and zero 1394 device drivers." |
| 06:52:17 | Russ | ... riiiiggghht |
| 06:54:23 | Russ | heh hheheh |
| 06:54:36 | Russ | they include performance numbers for XP vs winME/win200 |
| 06:54:38 | Russ | er, 2000 |
| 06:54:50 | Russ | then state: "Note: Windows XP Embedded was not tested directly." |
| 06:55:02 | Russ | "Internal Microsoft testing indicates that Windows XP Embedded exhibited similar or better reliability and performance characteristics than Windows XP Professional." |
| 06:55:25 | Russ | and then they compare it to the perfromance of linux by saying "N/A" |
| 06:55:45 | Russ | " * Windows XP Embedded supports a minimal bootable image of 4.8 MB." |
| 06:56:14 | Russ | "Lineo sites a minimum footprint size of 2MB ROM / 4 MB RAM" |
| 06:56:31 | Russ | ....rigggghhttt....because a 4.8 boot image is smaller than that |
| 06:56:44 | Russ | "The Red Hat Linux kernel alone uses approximately 1.5-2MB in ROM depending on configuration." |
| 06:57:00 | Russ | I would think that you could sue for so much blantantly false info |
| 06:57:34 | Russ | " * The MP3 basic decoder costs about $0.50 per-unit." |
| 06:57:45 | Russ | " * For MP3 Pro encode and decode, costs can run an incremental $7.50 per-unit." |
| 06:59:07 | Russ | "Localizing the OS means rebuilding it in the desired language." |
| 06:59:19 | Russ | uh-huh... |
| 06:59:52 | Russ | " ..to find and fix security issues quickly." as seen on /. |
| 07:00:32 | Russ | " * Linux does not support plug and play" |
| 07:00:58 | jacques | any uclibc / buildroot experts here? |
| 07:01:18 | jacques | where can I find the actual command line that the uclibc-gcc wrapper calls? |
| 07:05:09 | Russ | I like how the example of why GPL is bad uses an example of someone developing a closed source driver, but including GPL code |
| 07:05:48 | jacques | yeah, nobody is holding a gun to their head forcing them to use GPL'ed code |
| 07:05:56 | jacques | bastaards |
| 07:19:15 | Russ | they stole code |
| 07:19:25 | Russ | you steal code from *ANYONE* and you got legal problems |
| 07:19:54 | Russ | you accidentally steal code from M$ and I bet you have serious legal problems, not a "remove it and we'll be cool attitude" like with the GPL |
| 07:20:16 | jacques | i hate ms so much |
| 07:20:24 | Russ | brb |
| 07:46:54 | | 0.12 |
| 07:46:54 | Russ | ibot: 18 / 150 |
| 07:48:04 | | 26 |
| 07:48:04 | jacques | ibot: 2^24 |
| 07:48:12 | jacques | ?? |
| 07:48:26 | | jacques: huh? |
| 07:48:26 | jacques | ibot: 10e49 |
| 07:49:10 | jacques | ibot: search google for foo |
| 07:49:13 | | jacques: Google can't find foo |
| 07:49:27 | jacques | ibot: search google for its own ass |
| 07:49:29 | | jacques: Google can't find its own ass |
| 07:49:35 | jacques | :-d |
| 07:53:02 | | Russ: excuse me? |
| 07:53:02 | Russ | ibot doesn't quite get 2^ |
| 07:53:31 | jacques | if ibot could do hex calcs he'd be truly useful |
| 07:53:39 | | jacques: i'm not following you... |
| 07:53:39 | jacques | ibot: ff - 1 |
| 07:53:41 | | Russ: i'm not following you... |
| 07:53:41 | Russ | ibot: 0x50 + 20 |
| 07:53:45 | | Russ: what? |
| 07:53:45 | Russ | ibot: #50 + 20 |
| 07:53:50 | | Russ: what? |
| 07:53:50 | Russ | ibot: 50h + 20 |
| 07:53:57 | | Russ: what? |
| 07:53:57 | Russ | ibot: go lick yourself |
| 07:54:03 | | jacques: huh? |
| 07:54:03 | jacques | ibot: 0xFF - 0x01 |
| 08:43:11 | jacques | hey, what's the email address for the tuxscreen mailing list? |
| 08:43:11 | jacques | nm, found it |
| 08:50:10 | jacques | I just emailed my xfree uclibc howto to the tuxscreen and uclibc lists |
| 08:56:08 | jacques | how long does it take for my message to show up on the tuxscreen archives? |
| 09:24:39 | jacques | still hasnt shown up |
| 09:24:40 | jacques | :-( |
| 09:25:44 | jacques | GoRK: you about? |
| 09:26:00 | jacques | GoRK: I posted the instructions for xfree compile on uclibc list |
| 09:26:07 | prh | jacques you done any irda stuff? |
| 09:26:14 | jacques | GoRK: sent to tuxscreen list too but it hasnt shown up yet |
| 09:26:20 | jacques | prh: no sorry :-\ |
| 09:26:28 | prh | bum |
| 09:28:47 | | OK, jacques. |
| 09:28:47 | jacques | ibot: tinyx uclibc instructions are at http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/uclibc_tinyx |
| 09:37:12 | jacques | ARG what does it take to get a post to the tuxscreen list??? |
| 09:37:41 | GoRK | time. remember sourceforge runs probably close to 10,000 lists |
| 09:37:45 | prh | jacques; most maillinst ling archives arn't updated very quickly - usually once/twice a day |
| 09:38:09 | GoRK | btw i read your faq from the uClibc list. i will try building that as soon as i can |
| 09:38:20 | jacques | GoRK: cool |
| 09:38:31 | jacques | GoRK: there are bound to be things I left out accidentally |
| 09:39:10 | jacques | the uclibc list picked it up right away |
| 09:39:30 | jacques | I guess I can stop sending it to tuxscreen then :-) sent it twice |
| 09:40:26 | jacques | GoRK: I left out the whole discussion of ts driver issues but that was intentional |
| 09:40:31 | prh | nah! while :; do mail -s "My faq" tuxscreen@source.... < mailfile; sleep 1; done |
| 09:40:56 | GoRK | yeah no problem |
| 09:41:22 | GoRK | anyone smart enough to get it built should already know about that |
| 09:41:31 | jacques | prh: oooh cool ;-) |
| 09:41:59 | jacques | GoRK: well let me know anything that's unclear/missing |
| 09:43:53 | jacques | prh: I tried your line but without the sleep and now sourceforge is not accepting mail from me anymore |
| 09:45:06 | jacques | (not really) |
| 09:45:30 | jacques | anyway, I had a scare today when I came home and found the screen on tux#2 dark |
| 09:45:40 | jacques | I had been running the xscreensaver remotely for a couple of days |
| 09:45:56 | jacques | the x server is really stable on 2.4.16 |
| 09:46:18 | jacques | x didn't crash but the screensaver did, and x just turned off the backlight - which is really cool |
| 09:51:00 | boris | cool |
| 09:51:17 | boris | how tricky would it be for you to create a jffs2 image with the stuff on it? |
| 09:51:27 | boris | x would be damn handy |
| 09:51:54 | GoRK | boris: you want to write a touchscreen driver for it? |
| 09:52:10 | GoRK | boris: that's the only tricky part right now |
| 09:53:07 | jacques | boris: yeah, right now we are limited to 2.4.7 kernel if you want the touchscreen to work |
| 09:54:52 | boris | hmmm |
| 09:55:00 | boris | what would it require? |
| 09:55:45 | GoRK | a new x input driver for the new touchscreen api present in newer kernels |
| 09:55:50 | jacques | boris: what? ts support on recent kernels? |
| 09:56:00 | jacques | what GoRK said |
| 09:56:02 | boris | yeah |
| 09:56:09 | boris | ahh, k |
| 09:56:13 | jacques | they changed the ts api |
| 09:56:19 | boris | i'll have a bubble and squeak at the cod |
| 09:56:30 | jacques | ? |
| 09:57:59 | boris | code that is |
| 09:58:23 | jacques | boris: :-D |
| 09:58:27 | boris | bubble and squeak = cockney rhyming slang for 'peek' |
| 09:59:17 | jacques | heh, I read about that a bit |
| 10:01:23 | boris | but yeah, i'll have a look at some code and see if i can worketh it out |
| 10:01:47 | GoRK | if you want a starting point i have written a driver for picogui that uses the new api |
| 10:02:20 | GoRK | hang on ill get you a link |
| 10:02:22 | boris | k, email teh code to me :) |
| 10:02:30 | boris | or a url |
| 10:02:42 | boris | am not at my desk so giving me info tis a bad idea :) |
| 10:03:19 | GoRK | old api: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/tuxts.c?rev=1.10&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 10:03:28 | GoRK | new api: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/ucb1x00.c |
| 10:03:34 | GoRK | err |
| 10:03:44 | GoRK | new api: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/ucb1x00.c?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 10:05:39 | jacques | ooh there's new russ patches against rmk-np |
| 10:05:53 | jacques | oops never mind |
| 10:05:56 | jacques | those are old |
| 10:07:08 | jacques | dammit |
| 10:07:36 | jacques | my post appeared on the tuxscreen list but all the email addresses in the instructions (like in cvs commands) are [PROTECTED] |
| 10:08:23 | GoRK | yeah that's geocrawler doing that. people on the list are fine. you should post it on the wiki if you want to archive it for posterity |
| 10:09:33 | jacques | GoRK: good point |
| 10:10:08 | jacques | <mean comment>until the next time the wikki gets erased</mean comment> :-D |
| 10:23:42 | jacques | GoRK: how do I start a new topic/page on the wikki? |
| 10:24:09 | GoRK | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/DoesntExist |
| 10:24:18 | GoRK | replace DoesntExist with whatever you want to call it |
| 10:24:25 | jacques | cool, thanks |
| 10:24:28 | GoRK | of course |
| 10:24:31 | GoRK | that will make an orphan |
| 10:24:39 | jacques | yeah - what do I do about that? |
| 10:25:07 | GoRK | the best way is to edit an existing page that you want to link your document from... just add yours say to the GUI page and type "CompilingTinyX" and it will make a link to the nonexistent page |
| 10:25:16 | GoRK | click on it and create the page |
| 10:25:54 | jacques | coool |
| 10:31:08 | jacques | damn I need to know how the wikki does formatting |
| 10:31:59 | GoRK | try http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/WikiFormat |
| 10:32:45 | jacques | thanks |
| 10:32:48 | jacques | i really need that |
| 10:40:11 | jacques | GoRK: is there a simple way to force a line break? like <br> ? |
| 10:41:01 | GoRK | try <br> |
| 10:41:14 | GoRK | or just enter should work |
| 10:41:23 | GoRK | err maybe not |
| 10:41:59 | GoRK | br should work |
| 10:45:20 | jacques | br was not working for me, no matter just lots of blank lines |
| 10:54:45 | jacques | GoRK: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/TinyX |
| 10:55:15 | jacques | hmm, now I really want it to be CompilingTinyX... |
| 10:55:33 | prpplague | you guys still awake? |
| 10:55:38 | GoRK | nope |
| 10:56:08 | prpplague | i've got an excuse, why are you two still up, don't you know humans must sleep.... |
| 10:56:38 | GoRK | humans? |
| 10:56:57 | prpplague | lol |
| 10:57:12 | prpplague | GoRK: are you not human? |
| 10:57:32 | jacques | crap it's almost 3am here |
| 10:57:39 | jacques | time flies when you're hacking wikki |
| 10:57:39 | GoRK | i am a turing machine. |
| 10:58:16 | jacques | GoRK: how can I change this page from TinyX to CompilingTinyX ? |
| 10:58:20 | jacques | is stupid. |
| 10:58:36 | GoRK | err i dont know... |
| 10:59:05 | jacques | I now think TinyX should be a page about tinyx instead of how to compile it |
| 11:07:59 | mallum | jacques: you awake ? |
| 11:08:03 | jacques | mallum: yep |
| 11:08:16 | mallum | jacques: respect of the x and uclibc stuff |
| 11:08:21 | mallum | s/of/on/ |
| 11:09:09 | jacques | mallum: :-D |
| 11:09:28 | jacques | I think I have the tuxscreen wikki like I want it now |
| 11:11:01 | jacques | mallum: heh that undefined main() thing stumped me for days |
| 11:11:11 | mallum | jacques: yeah thats what got me too |
| 11:11:13 | jacques | mallum: finally I just started trying random stuff |
| 11:11:43 | mallum | jacques: I was just writing a mail to keithp ( about another matter ) and mention the 'main()' thing |
| 11:11:44 | jacques | not sure why it works, but it does |
| 11:11:52 | mallum | then you mail arrived !!!! |
| 11:11:53 | mallum | wierd |
| 11:12:06 | mallum | you should forward that mail onto keithp |
| 11:12:14 | jacques | heh - I suspect it mught be a uClibc thing rather than an xfree thing, but not sure |
| 11:12:19 | mallum | yeah |
| 11:12:51 | mallum | It would be nice to get GTK compiled too, but I think that uses pthreads |
| 11:13:03 | mallum | With GTK I could switch the ipaq over to uclibc |
| 11:13:12 | prpplague | so do you guys have tinyx running yet? |
| 11:13:19 | mallum | I've got python to build against uclibc |
| 11:13:31 | mallum | prpplague: jacques does ! |
| 11:13:37 | prpplague | jacques: cool |
| 11:13:46 | GoRK | i got perl too :) |
| 11:13:55 | mallum | GoRK: cool |
| 11:13:56 | jacques | mallum: yeah - I need pthreads and uclubc c++ support |
| 11:14:11 | prpplague | i'm not to the gui level of things on my project, but its nice to know about the dev work |
| 11:14:18 | jacques | mallum: there is already some pthreads code in the uclibc source |
| 11:14:32 | mallum | jacques: cvs source ? |
| 11:14:39 | prpplague | jacques: i'm going to see about my company paying andersee to finish the c++ support in uclibc |
| 11:14:53 | mallum | prpplague: get pthreads too :) |
| 11:15:00 | prpplague | i should know something by the 20th |
| 11:15:21 | mallum | Are you guys all up really late ? |
| 11:15:35 | prpplague | i am, working on a raid cabinet all night |
| 11:16:10 | prpplague | mallum: the last store closed at 10pm we started moving data and rebuilding the raid, got finish at 6:15am |
| 11:16:19 | mallum | ouch |
| 11:16:25 | mallum | its nearly lunchtime here |
| 11:16:28 | prpplague | mallum: stores start opening in about an hour |
| 11:16:59 | jacques | mallum: not sure - it's in the source we're using in buildroot-tux - there is a pthreads dir and some code |
| 11:17:09 | prpplague | mallum: if everything is fine, i'm going to the hotel, sit on the beach, drink a beer, and pass out |
| 11:17:32 | jacques | dir is called libpthread/ |
| 11:18:28 | mallum | jacques: hmm, I gotta cvs update my buildroot stuff - I havn't played with the TUX lately , have been working on a PDA window manager |
| 11:19:09 | mallum | jacques: Now you've figured out X, I'll be able to run in and xkbd on the phone :) |
| 11:19:12 | prpplague | mallum: that sounds cool, i was going to use icewm as a starting point to decide what features i want |
| 11:19:43 | jacques | mallum: yeah only one problem right now - they changed the kernel touchscreen api between 2.4.7 and 2.4.16 |
| 11:20:00 | jacques | mallum: so tho X runs on 2.4.16, the ts does not currently work |
| 11:20:09 | jacques | mallum: works fine on 2.4.7 |
| 11:20:10 | prpplague | doh |
| 11:20:13 | mallum | jacques: ouch |
| 11:20:28 | jacques | they TOTALLY changed the kernel ts driver and api |
| 11:20:42 | mallum | prpplague: I stared with aewm , learnt its workings and then rewrote from scratch |
| 11:21:05 | mallum | prpplague: I'll sort some screenshots soon |
| 11:21:12 | prpplague | mallum: very flxible? i like a wm that i can control with a config file |
| 11:21:30 | mallum | jacques: I think I remember reading about that on one of the arms lists |
| 11:21:30 | jacques | i figure only a matter of time before someone ( GoRK ) fixed the ts problem tho :-D |
| 11:21:41 | jacques | mallum: yeah there was a flame fest about it |
| 11:21:50 | jacques | mallum: jg and rmk got into it |
| 11:21:54 | mallum | prpplague: well it sticks 2 fingers up at the ICCCM |
| 11:22:09 | jacques | kinda like the serial device wars of 2000 |
| 11:22:21 | mallum | jacques: yeah, got pretty nasty if I remember |
| 11:22:38 | prpplague | mallum: sorry didn't understand that one |
| 11:22:52 | mallum | prpplague: the ICCCM is the 'standard' for wm's |
| 11:23:01 | mallum | prpplague: see freedesktop.org |
| 11:23:07 | jacques | mallum: heh I was just thinking about trying to build aewm for the tuxscreen |
| 11:23:17 | mallum | prpplague: but it dont really work for a |
| 11:23:28 | prpplague | mallum: what does the "sticks 2 fingers up" mean? |
| 11:23:34 | mallum | prpplague: handheld small screen device |
| 11:24:05 | prpplague | #cat /proc/prpplague/brain > /dev/null |
| 11:24:28 | mallum | jacques: well I can send you the source for mine, but so much debug info is coming out of it at the mo it slows it down |
| 11:24:42 | jacques | i want xstroke and xkbd on the tux :-) |
| 11:25:06 | jacques | mallum: I can wait a bit :-) |
| 11:25:10 | mallum | jacques: build the xkbd from hh.org cvs though , its much better than the ipkg'd one |
| 11:25:35 | mallum | jacques: cool, Im working pretty heavily on it at the mo - but xlib is _hard_ work sometimes |
| 11:25:45 | mallum | one sec ... brb |
| 11:26:33 | prpplague | has been using xvkbd |
| 11:29:01 | jacques | prpplague: you should try xkbd |
| 11:29:31 | prpplague | jacques: ya i know, i hear the new version is nice |
| 11:30:28 | jacques | prpplague: I like it *much* better than xvkbd - night and day |
| 11:30:58 | jacques | im gonna watch tivo for a bit |
| 11:31:06 | jacques | been typing all day |
| 11:31:07 | prpplague | later |
| 11:31:19 | jacques | later guys :-) |
| 11:36:38 | mallum | wished he had tivo, but they as so expensive in UK |
| 11:36:53 | mallum | prpplague: yeah use xkbd unless you dont speak english |
| 11:38:20 | prpplague | mallum: don;t the uk folks think that we americans don't speak english anyway? |
| 11:38:52 | prpplague | lol |
| 11:39:45 | mallum | prpplague: heh, nor do we :) |
| 11:44:28 | prpplague | argh, the rum planet next door just started bottling, the building is infused with the smell of rum |
| 11:44:38 | prpplague | s/planet/plant |
| 11:59:20 | mallum | prpplague: take some deep breathes |
| 12:00:01 | ctr | hey aklk |
| 12:00:45 | prpplague | mallum: i'm more worried about my raid array |
| 12:04:58 | mallum | you wont be after some deap breaths |
| 13:03:21 | MicroChip32 | pokes CosmicPenguin and grins evilly |
| 14:16:27 | prh | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:16:42 | prh | is back (gone 00:00:06) |
| 17:48:52 | Russ | jacques_gone: you want new patches? |
| 18:00:27 | Morn | Russ: when I rebooted this morning the firewall worked proper, thanks |
| 18:01:02 | Russ | oi, web slow |
| 18:07:46 | Morn | this is cool now that the TVOut is working on the video card |
| 18:32:07 | Tangent | goes for long drive and starting new job... gone gone gone |
| 18:32:38 | MicroChip32 | looks like tangent went off on a tangent again :) |
| 18:34:07 | MicroChip32 | news flash: b-1b lancer long range bomber crashed in the indian ocean 30 miles north of diego garcia, crew of four, voice contact established with at least one survivor, rescue ship 1 hour out, locator beacons spoted from air |
| 18:35:49 | CosmicPenguin | Doh..... |
| 18:36:16 | Russ | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32182-2001Dec12.html |
| 18:37:58 | MicroChip32 | yep, and a dozen other sites |
| 18:39:15 | Russ | (just the drudge link) |
| 18:41:25 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 18:50:26 | MicroChip32 | update: all 4 crew rescued |
| 18:51:31 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: I wonder how long ago that truely happened..... I'd be willing to bet that they held off on announcing it until they rescued the crew... |
| 18:51:36 | MicroChip32 | nope, down time was on the website above, happened less than an hour ago |
| 18:52:53 | MicroChip32 | in fact theyre reporting no confirmation |
| 18:53:18 | Keyser | i would be pissed if i was sitting in a lifeboat in the indian ocean, and my location was broadcast around the world. |
| 18:54:14 | MicroChip32 | Keyser: what, you wouldnt wanna be rescued? |
| 18:54:31 | Keyser | hopefully by the military (my own military) |
| 18:54:36 | MicroChip32 | not that i agree with how media blitzes such things but ... |
| 18:54:52 | Keyser | what's that flick about the downed pilot in yugoslavia? |
| 18:55:08 | Keyser | it'd be a much shorter movie if the reporters told everyone exactly where he was... |
| 18:55:51 | MicroChip32 | Keyser: sure, except the only people who knew wernt about to tell anyone, including that reporter, who was not told the details. (yes i saw the movie) |
| 18:56:36 | MicroChip32 | id guess we still only get a very small taste of what info is actually known |
| 18:59:20 | Keyser | do they know why the b-1b crashed? |
| 18:59:28 | Russ | oh, hey, all four are safe |
| 19:00:04 | Keyser | do they know why the b-1b crashed? |
| 19:00:26 | Russ | dunno |
| 19:01:13 | MicroChip32 | Keyser: not reported yet |
| 19:01:13 | Keyser | well, i gotta get to work |
| 19:14:41 | Morn | sometimes I really need to leave some things alone :-) |
| 19:14:51 | Russ | whatdja do? |
| 19:15:27 | Morn | tried messing around with the emu-tools (for the EMU10K1 sound cards) |
| 19:15:34 | Morn | render my sound useless |
| 19:15:44 | Russ | how's that? |
| 19:16:02 | Morn | I didn't get any sound out of the Analog and a lot of static over the sound on the digital |
| 19:17:05 | Morn | I'm trying to get the digital output working |
| 19:18:14 | Morn | it looks from the docs that there are 2 dsp's on this card too |
| 19:18:21 | Morn | in /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 |
| 19:18:38 | Morn | that might be nice to set the second one up for the dvd's and have it go to the TV speakers |
| 19:19:06 | Russ | maybe dsp1 is the digital one |
| 19:19:27 | Morn | maybe, I'll try that later |
| 19:19:48 | Morn | I just know when I used the card under windows breifly it sounded much better with the digital out |
| 20:26:34 | GoRK | Morn: i can help you with emu10k1 |
| 20:27:07 | GoRK | Morn: are you using the driver from the kernel or a CVS checkout from opensource.creative.com? |
| 20:42:46 | Morn | GoRK: the kernel driver 2.4.16 |
| 20:43:48 | GoRK | you might want to try grabbing the one out of cvs. it's a bit more current and fixed some problems with buzzing etc some people were having... |
| 20:44:00 | GoRK | btw what kind of live do you have? value, 5.1 series, platinum, etc? |
| 20:44:08 | Morn | 5.1 |
| 20:44:15 | GoRK | do you have a livedrive? |
| 20:44:19 | Morn | no |
| 20:53:38 | MacAtack | gota std linux question for da experts: Why would i get what looks like standard kernel functions as unresolved symbols on a depmod -ae ? (stuff like kmalloc, kfree, printk, etc) |
| 20:56:07 | AlHazWork | erasing at 0x0002002c... scanning down... resume writing at 0x00020000 ?? |
| 20:56:28 | AlHazWork | I'm sure this is a helpful message from the blob - but what does it mean? |
| 20:57:33 | AlHazWork | Whee! |
| 20:57:35 | AlHazWork | Freeing init memory: 68K |
| 20:57:35 | AlHazWork | Argh. Special inode #305 had more than one node |
| 20:57:35 | AlHazWork | Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 20:58:46 | AlHazWork | v0.5 is a big bust here. |
| 20:58:56 | GoRK | macattack: either your running kernel isnt the same version as the modules you are trying to look at or you dont have the symbol files in the right place |
| 21:00:20 | GoRK | AlHazWork: hrm looks like it had a problem doing the flash.. try pulling the power cord between download/flash of kernel and download/flash of ramdisk |
| 21:00:29 | MacAtack | GoRK: i've deleted /lib/modules/2.2.20 (2.2.20 is my kernel) and did a make modules ; make modules_install and then on depmod -ae almost every module complains about lots of what looks like std kernel functions as being unresolved |
| 21:00:51 | AlHazWork | GoRK: I'm trying without the new blob |
| 21:01:19 | MacAtack | GoRK: but the crazy thing is they still work?!?! like my NIC card is workin perfecly |
| 21:01:24 | GoRK | AlHazWork: hmm i dont know it should work unless maybe it does some weird setup on the memory registers |
| 21:01:52 | AlHazWork | GoRK: I have a 32meg sodimm in there, but it didn't seem to make anything of it |
| 21:01:57 | Morn | GoRK: I got music coming out of /dev/dsp1 but I can't modify the volume |
| 21:02:33 | GoRK | Morn: yeah that /dev/dsp1 thing is a holdover from times past .. i believe it is only the rear speakers (ie the non ac97 routes) |
| 21:03:04 | GoRK | volume on those can only be controlled by the DSP.. the emu-script is supposed to load a patch for it |
| 21:03:21 | Morn | ah |
| 21:03:40 | GoRK | AlHazWork: dunno, man.. i'd try reflashing and see if you keep getting that error |
| 21:04:15 | AlHazWork | yeah, I just finished flashing the v0.5 kernel and am downloading the v0.5 ramdsk |
| 21:05:25 | AlHazWork | after i got the messages above, i reset, and didn't get any kernel messages |
| 21:09:06 | AlHazWork | so when are we gonna get tiny-x in buildroot? will it fit in the flash, anyway? |
| 21:10:14 | AlHazWork | Oh Boy! was that HAPPY_TONE? |
| 21:13:22 | AlHazWork | looks like pcmcia noworkee, or i STILL have to add a config file for the te100-pc16r |
| 21:13:38 | AlHazWork | still had to edit rc.pcmcia and set PCIC=i82365 . . . |
| 21:14:24 | GoRK | ype happy tone plays when tuxphone starts :) |
| 21:14:46 | AlHazWork | ahh, happy_tone. I am fulfilled. |
| 21:15:10 | GoRK | tiny-x will go in once 1) it works fully - 2) the touchscreen works and - 3) when someone (probably jacques, me, or andersee) writes a makefile for it :) |
| 21:15:28 | Morn | has anyone actually installed intimate on the tuxscreen? |
| 21:16:20 | GoRK | afaik, anyone who has bothered to install a big distro has just installed regular debian. but a few folks are running familiar on cf cards |
| 21:16:39 | Morn | I'd like to do something like that but with nfs |
| 21:17:07 | Morn | after I finish the 5v hack for the pcmcia card that is |
| 21:17:33 | AlHazWork | Morn: I've installed familiar, fwiw |
| 21:17:38 | AlHazWork | it's really not hard |
| 21:17:41 | GoRK | i run debian on my tux a lot of the time for development. i keep a shell chroot'ed to my buildroot-tux root. works great! |
| 21:17:49 | Morn | is there a how to on installing familiar? |
| 21:17:53 | Morn | I did it on my iPAQ |
| 21:17:59 | GoRK | RunningFamiliar on the wiki |
| 21:18:01 | Morn | but I'm sure it is a little different for the tux |
| 21:18:24 | Morn | GoRK: cool |
| 21:18:51 | AlHazWork | I was working on something at some point, maybe it's not there anymore since the vandalism . . . |
| 21:19:17 | AlHazWork | Basically, blast out a filesystem to a cf card or microdrive, or set up an nfsroot, and edit linuxrc so that it mounts and pivot_roots |
| 21:19:35 | AlHazWork | you'll have to fiddle with some stuff in /dev so that it uses the right touchscreen devices |
| 21:20:22 | AlHazWork | DebianOverNFS is the stuff i wrote on getting potato/arm to work |
| 21:20:30 | Morn | I don't think it's in wiki any more :-( |
| 21:21:11 | Morn | brb |
| 21:37:33 | Niddix | Is v0.5 blob not part of the buildroot in cvs? |
| 21:43:09 | Morn | argh! |
| 21:44:33 | Russ | arrggghh? |
| 21:44:45 | Morn | yeah, X locked up |
| 21:44:48 | GoRK | isnt the blob from the 0.5 binaries out of blob cvs? |
| 21:44:59 | Morn | so I sshed in from another box and killed X |
| 21:45:04 | Morn | and locked up the whole machine |
| 21:45:17 | GoRK | nvidia? |
| 21:45:20 | Russ | nvidia? |
| 21:45:26 | GoRK | hahahaha |
| 21:45:37 | Morn | yes |
| 21:45:39 | Morn | nvidia |
| 21:45:45 | Russ | what motherboard chipset? |
| 21:45:55 | Morn | it's a tyan dual athlon motherboard |
| 21:46:01 | Russ | 760MP? |
| 21:46:11 | GoRK | i am some kind of crazy freak. i have never had an nvidia problem on this machine |
| 21:46:13 | Morn | 1600MP's |
| 21:46:21 | Morn | dual 1.4Ghz cpus |
| 21:46:24 | Russ | Morn: using agpgart or nvagp? |
| 21:46:36 | Morn | agpgart I think |
| 21:46:52 | Russ | can I see /proc/nv/card0? |
| 21:47:06 | Morn | sure let me go to a pvt message for that |
| 21:48:40 | Russ | hmm...aparently all the SMP problems aren't yet fixed |
| 21:48:51 | Russ | try setting the rate to 2x and see if that helps |
| 21:48:55 | Morn | ok... |
| 21:49:01 | Morn | It happens about once a day |
| 21:49:03 | signal11 | was it one of the moire screen savers? |
| 21:49:12 | Morn | and no ryhme or reason as to when |
| 21:49:30 | signal11 | my nvidia smp machine only has trouble with the moire screen savers. it's weird |
| 21:49:47 | Russ | signal11: tell ripperda or yoda that |
| 21:56:51 | MacAtack | another general linux question: is there any way i can setup one linux box (RH) so that Alt-Fx is acutally on another phsyicall box? (where x = the number of other boxes I have) |
| 21:57:41 | signal11 | you could ssh into those other machines |
| 21:57:50 | signal11 | or xdmcp |
| 21:58:17 | signal11 | those kvm switches have keyboard shortcuts too |
| 21:58:19 | signal11 | some of them |
| 21:58:33 | signal11 | alt-alt-up arrow or something |
| 21:58:39 | CosmicPenguin | or just do a remote X session on another display.... |
| 21:58:57 | signal11 | macatack were you thinking gui or text moe? |
| 21:58:58 | CosmicPenguin | or not... sorry, I didn't understand the question |
| 21:58:59 | signal11 | mode? |
| 21:59:25 | MacAtack | signal11: thats what i was thinking setting up somthing so that it attempted an ssh connection to say my DNS box by doing ALT 3 on my linux box here |
| 21:59:40 | MacAtack | all text mode... don't need Gooie |
| 21:59:54 | signal11 | sounds more painful to automate than it's worth |
| 22:00:00 | MacAtack | all these are servers that don't have X |
| 22:00:01 | signal11 | just log in and ssh |
| 22:00:17 | signal11 | imho of course |
| 22:00:20 | MacAtack | yeah i was hoping someone already wrote a ssh-getty or somthigng :) |
| 22:00:51 | signal11 | you can set up rsa keys so you don't have to type the password |
| 22:00:59 | signal11 | and a one-letter script for "ssh hostname" |
| 22:02:01 | MacAtack | that could work |
| 22:02:20 | MacAtack | then i could hack somthing together to respond to the ALT-Fx keys :) |
| 22:08:15 | Morn | Russ: do you know how to tell galeon which jre to use if you have more than one? |
| 22:08:39 | Russ | umm... only have one plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins maybe? |
| 22:09:08 | Morn | I thought you could direct it at a particular jre... |
| 22:09:08 | Morn | ok |
| 22:10:00 | Russ | I dunno |
| 22:10:13 | Russ | I just installed the furst thing I found |
| 22:10:32 | Morn | when I go to the Netscape site and click on the Java 2 Linux plugin nothing happens :-( |
| 22:11:52 | Russ | I have some java2 plugin |
| 22:12:19 | Russ | http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/ |
| 22:13:23 | Morn | cool, that's 1.3.1 too |
| 23:04:16 | pattieja | is away: Bible study + dinner (mmmm :) |
| 23:23:04 | prpplague | evening everyone |
| 23:33:29 | kernelwork | Is it? |
| 23:33:38 | kernelwork | :) |
| 23:34:32 | prpplague | it is here |
| 23:35:00 | prpplague | although its more like morning for me since i slept all day and will work all night |
| 23:39:35 | RedBaron | Good evening |
| 23:39:47 | prpplague | howdy Red |
| 23:40:53 | kernelwork | I guess the sun will be going down soon |
| 23:42:32 | prpplague | already down here |
| 23:43:30 | MicroChip32 | sun? wazzat? |
| 23:43:42 | prpplague | wahoo - newsforge and lwn picked up the tcsx-1 story |
| 23:43:59 | prpplague | MicroChip32: not real sure what it is, ppl say its bright |
| 23:44:27 | MicroChip32 | must be someone's good idea then :) |