| 01:01:06 | Russ | hey, willow is on |
| 01:02:21 | rand | the Matrix is on TNT again |
| 01:02:51 | MicroChip32 | yep i just turned on matrix |
| 01:03:10 | MicroChip32 | not like ive seen it before :) |
| 01:03:26 | rand | yeah but excellent background for doing other things |
| 01:03:37 | rand | when I get a DVD player, I'll probably get it |
| 01:04:13 | MicroChip32 | hmmm coding to the tunes of matrix eh? <G> |
| 01:05:42 | MicroChip_aka_Neo | ;) |
| 01:13:03 | Morn | has Matrix on DVD |
| 01:13:36 | MicroChip_aka_Neo | cant afford dvd's or player =( |
| 01:14:11 | Morn | my dvd rom for the computer was like $40 |
| 01:14:34 | MicroChip_aka_Neo | yep, like i said, out of my budget =( |
| 01:15:15 | rand | Morn! I got a question for you, what email client program do you use ? |
| 01:15:38 | Morn | currently evolution/mutt |
| 01:16:29 | rand | you like evolution ? |
| 01:16:36 | Morn | much |
| 01:17:39 | Morn | is away: watching tv... |
| 01:17:44 | rand | hehe |
| 01:19:02 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm |
| 01:19:59 | MicroChip32 | aaaarrggggggghhhhhhhhh, friggin ads |
| 01:22:32 | rand | yup! |
| 01:22:38 | rand | eww cheeseburger |
| 01:37:14 | MicroChip32 | ads, phone, ads, phone, i give up *sigh* |
| 01:38:27 | rand | Oddworld is a lot of fun. |
| 01:38:35 | rand | my friend got an X-Box |
| 01:38:53 | MicroChip32 | bah! microsh*t |
| 01:39:38 | rand | yeah |
| 01:40:02 | rand | well the console alternatives are PS2 and GameCube |
| 01:41:10 | MicroChip32 | anything besides microsh*t, i think id lean toward ps2 myself |
| 01:42:06 | MicroChip32 | argh, back to the movie already will ya *sigh* |
| 01:42:21 | MicroChip32 | 'bout time |
| 01:52:44 | rand | commercials are okay if you're not watching it ;) |
| 01:55:13 | MicroChip32 | yea, but theyre not long enough to get any coding done =( |
| 02:11:57 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 02:12:55 | rand | hi |
| 02:13:00 | scanline | hi |
| 03:37:18 | GPSFan | scanline: still there? |
| 04:00:38 | scanline | GPSFan: Yeah, just AFK occasionally |
| 04:05:24 | GPSFan | scanline: howdy, just compiled & installed picogui. I was wondering how to start it, but dug through the doc's and found out. ;>) seems to be cool. |
| 04:09:13 | scanline | Cool :) what docs? |
| 04:10:24 | GPSFan | wwell, the stuff in the cvs, readme's etc, Finally figured out the bin was pgserver, then found the .conf. |
| 04:10:44 | GPSFan | it doesn't seem to know where the apps are though. |
| 04:13:21 | scanline | GPSFan: Well, you have to run the app separately. It's all client-server like X |
| 04:13:37 | scanline | GPSFan: If you put the name of the app binary on the command line, pgserver will run it for you |
| 04:13:54 | GPSFan | ah, including the .app? |
| 04:14:03 | scanline | GPSFan: Closest thing to a standard launcher we have right now is omnibar, and it kinda sucks though... |
| 04:14:27 | scanline | The .app doesn't matter, that's just how omnibar distinguishes if a file is a picogui app |
| 04:14:30 | GPSFan | yep, there is an app's window, but nothing in it. |
| 04:14:45 | scanline | in omnibar? |
| 04:15:15 | scanline | The directory omnibar looks for apps in is hardcoded, i forget what the directory of the week is :) |
| 04:15:49 | scanline | Ah, GoRK set it to /usr/share/picogui/appmenu i think |
| 04:16:01 | scanline | But omnibar's just a hack anyway... |
| 04:17:03 | GPSFan | yea, there are .app's in there, but nothing in the actual menu, I'll beat on gork about it tomorrow. |
| 04:17:28 | cworth_ | greetings |
| 04:17:46 | scanline | Ok. I've been planning a pretty nifty launcher app with applets, and self-contained applications (a la Mac OS X or NeXT) but haven't got around to making it |
| 04:18:56 | GPSFan | scanline: cool, I'll look for it someday ;>) as you might have guessed I got my 2nd Tux and got Linux on it. |
| 04:19:59 | scanline | congrats! How long would it take you to put your first tux back together? :) |
| 04:20:45 | GPSFan | it is almost back, now, I doing a shanip like mod and the 5Vpcmcia |
| 04:20:58 | cworth_ | hey all. Brushing some dust off my tux tonight. Just installed v0.5. What's it take to get pulse dialing working? Also, I'm not hearing a dialtone on the phone/speakerphone. |
| 04:21:34 | scanline | GPSFan: Nice. I've been a bit out of it lately... do you know how GoRK's shanip3 PCBs are coming along? |
| 04:22:29 | GPSFan | scanline: sorry no, but once I get my #1 back together, I can do some audio testing with my simplified mod. |
| 04:22:40 | scanline | neat |
| 04:23:07 | GPSFan | scanline: gotta go ceeU... |
| 04:23:19 | scanline | cworth_: pulse dialing with tuxphone? You'd probably have to bug GoRK about that one, or take the tuxphone CVS and hack it a bit |
| 04:23:20 | GPSFan | niteall.. |
| 04:23:26 | scanline | night GPSFan |
| 04:23:36 | scanline | (darn, too late) |
| 04:24:26 | cworth_ | scanline: OK, the 0.5 announcement sounded like it was all working, but I'll look at CVS. |
| 04:25:25 | scanline | cworth_: Well, pulse dialing isn't a popular feature request :) It did pulse dialing without tuxphone |
| 04:26:22 | cworth_ | scanline: I'm sorry, I'm up too late. I meant tone dialing. ;-) |
| 04:26:41 | cworth_ | scanline: right now I'm getting pulses. |
| 04:27:56 | scanline | cworth_: Ohhhh.... Is tuxphone running? |
| 04:29:02 | cworth_ | scanline: yes, I see it in ps anyways. Does it take any command-line args. or does it just do its thing? |
| 04:29:52 | scanline | cworth_: No, tuxphone should just work |
| 04:30:13 | scanline | Do the LEDs change when you pick up the phone? |
| 04:30:18 | cworth_ | scanline: hmmm... something's not happy here then. |
| 04:30:41 | cworth_ | scanline: no nothing. |
| 04:31:49 | cworth_ | scanline: ah, tuxphone is respawned in /etc/inittab. Restarting it didn't help. :( |
| 04:32:06 | scanline | hmm... |
| 04:32:30 | scanline | ls -l |
| 04:32:33 | scanline | oops |
| 04:33:06 | scanline | Gee, when people mistake an IRC window for a shell it seems like it's always "ls" that they type |
| 04:35:17 | cworth_ | :) |
| 04:35:44 | jacques | hi |
| 04:37:42 | cworth_ | jacques: hello |
| 04:39:23 | cworth_ | well, I need some sleep. Hacking more tomorrow... |
| 04:39:26 | cworth_ | g'night all. |
| 04:48:01 | jacques | hmm, so russ_broke_ctrl-alt.diff is not yet integrated into buildroot? |
| 04:58:50 | jacques | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGG |
| 04:58:55 | jacques | this is still not fixed |
| 04:59:03 | jacques | + '[' '!' -f /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/dl/busybox.tar.gz ']' |
| 04:59:03 | jacques | + wget -P /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/dl --passive http://busybox.lineo.com/busybox.tar.gz |
| 04:59:03 | jacques | --20:59:15-- http://busybox.lineo.com/busybox.tar.gz |
| 04:59:03 | jacques | => `/thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/dl/busybox.tar.gz' |
| 04:59:03 | jacques | Connecting to busybox.lineo.com:80... connected! |
| 04:59:04 | jacques | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden |
| 04:59:06 | jacques | 20:59:15 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 04:59:09 | jacques | I thought that was fixed days ago |
| 04:59:30 | jacques | this is with latest buildroot checkout |
| 08:27:23 | GoRK | jacques: err...... my fault :) hang on |
| 08:27:36 | GoRK | andersee was going out of town. i told him i'd change it. i forgot |
| 08:29:28 | jacques | GoRK: hi |
| 08:29:40 | jacques | GoRK: sorry, was just fristrated then |
| 08:30:13 | jacques | GoRK: I've been documenting the tinyx build |
| 08:33:03 | GoRK | hrm i dont know what busybox that the one on lineo corresponds to anymore |
| 08:33:29 | jacques | GoRK: me neither - I tried a stable snap but the patch did not apply |
| 08:33:41 | jacques | GoRK: maybe 60.2 release? |
| 08:33:55 | GoRK | nm found it |
| 08:34:20 | jacques | ? |
| 08:34:42 | GoRK | ok its updated in cvs. should work now |
| 08:34:45 | jacques | I wrote a shell script that checks out the proper xfree source |
| 08:34:52 | jacques | which one was it? |
| 08:35:14 | GoRK | http://www.busybox.net/busybox.tar.gz |
| 08:35:19 | jacques | I think I may finally have built a toolchain which does not error out when building some parts of xfree |
| 08:35:52 | GoRK | there are seriously evil problems for 2.95.3 on arm |
| 08:36:02 | GoRK | in gcc |
| 08:36:15 | jacques | I have been using 2.95.4 snaps, but I have gone bacl to 2.95.3 with a phil blindell patch |
| 08:36:23 | jacques | blundell |
| 08:36:54 | GoRK | im sticking with 2.95.2 for x-compile or 2.95.3 from debian for native |
| 08:37:14 | jacques | I am using the same gcc version and patch as the arm.linux.uk toolchain now HOWEVER their toolchain does not produce v4l code by default - mine does |
| 08:37:35 | jacques | do you have reason to believe 2.95.3 with the arm patch is not good? |
| 08:38:01 | GoRK | no, i just dont have time to build my own so i use what emdebian.org uses :) |
| 08:39:18 | jacques | i thought embedian is 2.95.3 |
| 08:40:53 | jacques | i got the patch from here: ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/ |
| 08:41:40 | GoRK | ii gcc-arm 2.95.2-12e4 The GNU C compiler. |
| 08:42:43 | jacques | does it produce v4l or v3l code? |
| 08:46:45 | GoRK | well it produces v4l if you use armv4l as your system type i believe |
| 08:47:34 | GoRK | i dont really know how to tell the difference to be honest, but i specify armv4l when im doing ./configure's and things |
| 08:48:10 | jacques | hmm |
| 08:48:24 | jacques | i only know to look at the specs file and see the default |
| 08:48:31 | jacques | i dont know how to force one or the other |
| 08:48:43 | jacques | or ever how to tell for an object file |
| 08:48:51 | GoRK | it's probably a -D flag |
| 08:48:57 | GoRK | or a -f |
| 08:49:26 | GoRK | good message for an arm list :) |
| 08:50:28 | jacques | *cpp_cpu_arch_default: |
| 08:50:28 | jacques | -D__ARM_ARCH_4__ |
| 08:50:33 | jacques | maybe that's it |
| 08:50:57 | GoRK | probably... especially if you se __ARM_ARCH_3__ and __ARM_ARCH_5__ along with it |
| 08:51:25 | jacques | there's a 5 ? |
| 08:51:43 | GoRK | yeah. xscale i think |
| 08:51:50 | jacques | I know I have seen __ARM_ARCH_3__ in the specs file |
| 08:52:07 | jacques | this new toolchain I made tonight is much better |
| 08:52:11 | GoRK | rmk just added some arm v5l stuff to the kernel sources |
| 08:52:35 | jacques | at least as far as not having "internal compiler error"s |
| 08:59:05 | jacques | Tangent: hi :-) |
| 08:59:09 | Russ | hey Tangent |
| 08:59:19 | GoRK | hey Tangent, russ |
| 08:59:32 | Tangent | jacques , Russ , GoRK : Hi |
| 08:59:42 | GoRK | Russ: did you diff against 2.4.16-rmk2 yet? :) |
| 08:59:45 | prh | morning tangent |
| 08:59:47 | Tangent | How's things? Do we have a working touchscreen driver again yet? |
| 09:00:00 | jacques | Russ: with the alt-ctrl fix? :-D |
| 09:00:03 | Tangent | prh : Morning...:) |
| 09:00:09 | jacques | Tangent: nope |
| 09:00:22 | GoRK | kernel driver == no. userland drivers == in progress. |
| 09:00:25 | jacques | Tangent: I hacked on it last night but I just suck |
| 09:00:37 | Tangent | jacques : I know that feeling |
| 09:00:43 | GoRK | im gonna get one for jacques and tinyx once he gets some instructions or something to me :) |
| 09:00:51 | jacques | Tangent: all the stuff the old driver depended on has been torn out of the kernel |
| 09:00:57 | jacques | GoRK: workin on it! |
| 09:01:15 | GoRK | Tangent: i already wrote a picogui driver, so not too hard |
| 09:01:32 | jacques | Tangent: didn't your mate write the tscal.c thing? |
| 09:01:51 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster wrote that |
| 09:02:00 | jacques | ah, I thought it was spse |
| 09:02:03 | prh | is away: showertime |
| 09:02:06 | Tangent | GoRK : I'd still be happy running 2.4.7 if spse hadn't upgraded it to 2.4.16 so he could play with atmel stuff... Now X doesn't work anymore :( |
| 09:02:17 | GoRK | but.... it doesnt work either |
| 09:02:30 | GoRK | Tangent: the driver i write for tinyx will work with xfree also of course |
| 09:02:49 | prh | isnt tinyx part of xfree source? |
| 09:02:51 | Tangent | GoRK : Cool :) |
| 09:03:06 | prh | (I've just asked Branden Robisnon to build tiny-x for debian - he's short on time :O( |
| 09:03:11 | Tangent | GoRK : I'll get round to putting it on soon... but first, I have to take my car to the garage, and then get some sleep |
| 09:03:32 | GoRK | tinyx from what i gather is pretty much an alternative set of build instructions for tinyx ... that make it build only the bare essentials etc |
| 09:03:49 | jacques | prh: yes |
| 09:03:52 | GoRK | err... xfree |
| 09:04:08 | jacques | it's actually a different codebase |
| 09:04:11 | jacques | for the xserver |
| 09:04:21 | jacques | it's in the kdrive dir - keith's driver |
| 09:04:30 | jacques | #!/bin/sh |
| 09:04:30 | jacques | export CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs2.xfree86.org:/cvs |
| 09:04:30 | jacques | # password is 'anoncvs' |
| 09:04:30 | jacques | cvs login |
| 09:04:30 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/config |
| 09:04:30 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/util |
| 09:04:33 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/extras |
| 09:04:34 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/include |
| 09:04:37 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/lib |
| 09:04:39 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/programs |
| 09:04:41 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/nls |
| 09:04:43 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/Imakefile |
| 09:04:48 | jacques | cvs -z 3 co -D "October 10, 2001" xc/Makefile |
| 09:04:49 | jacques | that script will get you the source |
| 09:04:52 | jacques | minimal source you need to build the server and libs |
| 09:04:58 | prh | coo |
| 09:05:08 | prh | it's way to big and complicated for me :O) |
| 09:05:09 | jacques | has to be oct 10 because after that keith broke the ts royally |
| 09:05:31 | GoRK | how did the touchscreen break when there is no driver? |
| 09:05:34 | prh | erk - how? |
| 09:05:51 | jacques | there are 2 different ts breakages going on |
| 09:06:07 | jacques | 1) keith revamped all the input code in his server and forgot about the ts |
| 09:06:18 | GoRK | like he broke the API that a driver would use to send the server input events? |
| 09:06:21 | jacques | 2) the new kernel driver does not work with the xserver driver |
| 09:06:32 | jacques | GoRK: he broke it so that the ts code does not even compile anymore |
| 09:06:47 | prh | hmm |
| 09:06:55 | GoRK | can we presume that we'll have to rewrite our driver again when he fixes it? |
| 09:07:00 | jacques | i emailed him and he recently submitted a patch to cvs that causes it to compile again but it does not work |
| 09:07:20 | jacques | GoRK: I doubt he's going to change the api anytime soon |
| 09:07:41 | jacques | GoRK: he just got halfway through a major internal code change and didnt finish |
| 09:07:49 | jacques | GoRK: api is still the same |
| 09:07:55 | GoRK | ok im just a bit miffed by all this driver garbage. i have rewritten a ts driver for the tux 3 times now |
| 09:08:15 | GoRK | dont want to make it 5 if i dont have to yaknow? |
| 09:08:29 | jacques | GoRK: heh, I'm passed miffed to pissed |
| 09:09:03 | jacques | if my xserver was stable on 2.4.7 I would almost forget about later kernels |
| 09:09:14 | jacques | tho 2.4.16 is soo nice in other ways |
| 09:09:19 | GoRK | well there were a lot of reasons rmk pulled the old kernel interface that make *perfect* sense |
| 09:09:56 | GoRK | 1) touchscreen driver interfered with ucb1200 gpio and audio in BIG WAYS. <-- major reason |
| 09:10:17 | jacques | which is why it's not a simple forward-port |
| 09:10:53 | GoRK | 2) none of the ucb1x00 stuff was integrated with other parts. there were three seperate drivers for the different functions and plenty of stuff was missing (ie ucb1x00 telephony audio) |
| 09:11:03 | jacques | GoRK: I have config files for you to use too (xfree config) and a tiny patch for uclibc patch that causes it to build the full libm |
| 09:11:42 | Tangent | goes out for a bit |
| 09:12:07 | GoRK | 3) the drivers had so much cruft in them (did you ever read the old kernel drivers) that they were completely impossible to integrate with any common code (sa1100-audio, etc.. or the input layer) that they had to be rewritten at some point |
| 09:12:44 | GoRK | 4) there actually is a fellow working on a touchscreen api for the kernel input layer, and whenever that is done, all the ts drivers that have now been ultra-simplified will be easy to move to it |
| 09:13:04 | GoRK | jacques: you have to build the full libm to get x to work?!? |
| 09:13:16 | GoRK | ie double and long double precision?!? |
| 09:13:22 | jacques | GoRK: relax - it's 55k instead of 21k |
| 09:13:40 | jacques | GoRK: and you really only need it for hypot |
| 09:14:00 | jacques | but I didn;t want to spend the time making a patch to build small libm + hypot |
| 09:14:24 | jacques | X needs hypot and cbrt |
| 09:14:32 | jacques | tho it can be configured to use it's own cbrt |
| 09:14:49 | GoRK | yes i know i was the one who got on the warpath about uclibc libm to begin with and the cause of it being completely replaced :) which funcitons does x need anyway that we dont get with the default build? perhaps we should include those in the default libm build (no trouble, really) |
| 09:15:42 | GoRK | im compiling the full version of uclibc/libm for my uclibc/perl work anyway :) |
| 09:16:20 | GoRK | which is done and working now :) |
| 09:16:53 | jacques | X needs hypot and cbrt |
| 09:17:03 | jacques | which are not in the small libm |
| 09:17:23 | GoRK | ok ill talk to andersee about it when he gets back from his travels |
| 09:17:37 | jacques | X also needs uClibc headers to not claim they have wide char funcs |
| 09:17:51 | jacques | because I can get X to use it's own widechar funcs but the protos clash |
| 09:18:05 | jacques | sp I have to comment out the protos in the uclibc (glibc) headers |
| 09:18:14 | GoRK | well they do but the uclibc ones are just stubs |
| 09:18:34 | GoRK | which is probably why its not behaving for you |
| 09:19:10 | jacques | GoRK: it doesn't even ahve the stub funcs |
| 09:19:19 | jacques | GoRK: I looked all through the uclibc code |
| 09:19:29 | jacques | GoRK: it just claims it has the funcs but does not |
| 09:19:34 | GoRK | hmm well we'd need to look at how to do it in the tinyx sources probably.. oh hrm well i'd say that is a bug then :) have to discuss that with andersee too, i guess :) |
| 09:19:55 | GoRK | yeah he brought a fairly massive amount of headers in one day and there have been plenty of messes to clean :) |
| 09:20:05 | jacques | as long as uclibc is not clashing protos, I can get tinyx to use it's internal versions just fine |
| 09:20:13 | jacques | its |
| 09:21:59 | GoRK | well you know andersee is itching for tinyx so im sure he'll be helpful with uClibc. since he did the glibc header stuff, almost anything compiles :) i mean... perl compiles and it uses practically every libc and libm function there is |
| 09:24:47 | jacques | bet it doesn't use wctombs |
| 09:24:49 | jacques | :-) |
| 09:24:58 | GoRK | probably not :) |
| 09:28:54 | jacques | hey where did russ go? |
| 09:29:02 | jacques | I see a couple of things I need in rmk2 :-) |
| 09:30:15 | GoRK | like what? |
| 09:31:37 | jacques | like h3600 gpios available to all platforms |
| 09:31:48 | jacques | i think that might make my xfre compile a bit easier |
| 09:32:06 | jacques | since i have to copy h3600_ts.h right now from a ipaq kernel build |
| 09:32:41 | GoRK | hmm no way to not build that bit? |
| 09:32:58 | jacques | the xfree ts driver needs the include file |
| 09:36:36 | jacques | I told you the xfree code was a mess :-D |
| 09:51:32 | Tangent | comes back |
| 09:51:50 | jacques | Tangent: wb |
| 09:52:15 | jacques | i wish somebody would give me $1000 so I can build a new machine |
| 09:52:18 | Tangent | jacques : Thanks |
| 09:52:45 | Tangent | jacques : Don't look at me ;) |
| 09:55:09 | rand | nor me |
| 09:55:30 | jacques | :-( |
| 09:55:38 | jacques | but i neeeeed iiiit |
| 09:55:53 | rand | me too |
| 09:56:03 | jacques | whining never worked on my parents either |
| 09:56:18 | Tangent | I'll settle for earning the money at the moment... i don't even want a gift |
| 09:56:34 | ctr | heh |
| 09:57:37 | jacques | sorry, wasn't meaning to make light of anyone's current employment challenges |
| 09:57:44 | jacques | :-\ |
| 09:59:17 | Tangent | jacques : No offence caused |
| 09:59:26 | jacques | :-) |
| 09:59:30 | Tangent | jacques : I was meaning to make light of my employment situation |
| 10:00:43 | Tangent | Hrm... maybe if I spam 22million email addresses with my CV ;) |
| 10:01:03 | jacques | Tangent: are things bad in the UK right now? |
| 10:01:07 | jacques | Tangent: things are pretty bad here |
| 10:02:01 | Tangent | searches for firewall contracts posted today... 0 results |
| 10:02:19 | Tangent | searches for unix sysadmin contraces... 1 result |
| 10:02:36 | Tangent | Let me guess how oversubscribed that 1 job will be |
| 10:03:10 | jacques | :-( |
| 10:03:31 | Tangent | So.. anyone want to buy a shanip board ;) |
| 10:03:39 | Tangent | kidding... |
| 10:04:27 | jacques | I want to buy some kits from GoRK |
| 10:04:39 | GoRK | if i ever finish the design :-/ :) |
| 10:04:56 | jacques | I'm confident you will :-) |
| 10:05:02 | Tangent | jacques : That's fine with me.. I decided already that I can't make these things cost effectively |
| 10:05:34 | jacques | I need at least 4 and I know some ppl who might want some |
| 10:05:45 | jacques | several of the geeks in my office have ordered tuxscreens |
| 10:06:14 | Tangent | jacques : Making the PCBs isn't the problem... nor the soldering... It's drilling those 0.8mm holes that is the time killer |
| 10:06:31 | Tangent | jacques : I could happily make undrilled boards all day long... but that's not much use really |
| 10:06:44 | jacques | i never thought of that |
| 10:07:03 | Tangent | Drilling the holes takes around 30 mins per board |
| 10:07:13 | jacques | damn |
| 10:07:29 | jacques | GoRK: was talking about having a run of boards made |
| 10:07:34 | Tangent | jacques : That's why it can't be cost effective for me to make 'em :( |
| 10:07:46 | Tangent | jacques : Nod.. could get a batch of 100 run off |
| 10:08:17 | Tangent | jacques : I was happy to let GoRK do that tho'... saves me the hassle... |
| 10:08:19 | jacques | yeah that would be about right |
| 10:08:52 | Tangent | jacques : My design, layout etc are all available for download... anyone could get a batch made up if they wanted |
| 10:09:18 | Tangent | Tho' I'd do a small redesign before getting 100 made up |
| 10:10:26 | GoRK | ditto my board.. my major problem is finding folks to make one and give me feedback before i have them made up. i am about as dumb as it gets when it comes to electronics :) |
| 10:10:51 | Tangent | spots a job asking for 4 years of Window2000 support |
| 10:10:54 | GoRK | my current problem involves mic/line inputs.. i want to have a jack that lets people plug their own junk in |
| 10:11:29 | Tangent | GoRK : What's the problem with them? |
| 10:13:11 | GoRK | Tangent: well nothing yet.. other than that there is no design for it and almost no feedback on what people want.. i only got the audio input working in the kernel recently and i hadnt revisited my shanip board in a while (other than gpsfan's recent investigation into the possibility of removing C1 |
| 10:14:12 | GoRK | ie i want to know if someone has something plugged into line-out if the audio should still go to the DSP and if someone has something plugged into line in or mic in if the audio should still be connected to the DSP's mic |
| 10:14:20 | Tangent | GoRK : Well.. for me, the line and mic in would be surplus to requirements... but I have a very specific task in mind for one of my tuxes |
| 10:14:59 | GoRK | yes well you could always build the board without those pieces |
| 10:15:34 | GoRK | technically they are surplus to my requirements too but a lot of people say "well i want to build a car mp3 player" or something so ... at least it would satisfy everyone :) |
| 10:16:21 | Tangent | GoRK : Nod.. but by the same argument, you may as well put the extra serial port on there too |
| 10:16:35 | Tangent | GoRK : People can always leave off the componenets |
| 10:17:09 | GoRK | i was thinking of that but i dont think there will actually be any room for it with the audio connectors and volume pot on there |
| 10:17:29 | GoRK | not on the same board anyway |
| 10:17:35 | Tangent | GoRK : Did you identify a suitable bit of case for mounting the extra connectors on? |
| 10:18:34 | GoRK | yes the only place that looks like it will work is under the handset. i planned on including an adhesive drill template and a label with the boards |
| 10:19:33 | Tangent | GoRK : Nod.. that's the spot I used for the extra serial |
| 10:20:35 | Tangent | There might be just enough space for 2x3.5mm jack + 1xDB9 |
| 10:21:20 | Tangent | Nod.. I reckon that there is.. .http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/Shanip232-Fitted.jpg |
| 10:25:59 | GoRK | Tangent: yeah but what about 4 jacks, thumbwheel volume pot, and db9? |
| 10:26:28 | GoRK | http://www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork8.gif |
| 10:28:06 | GoRK | you can ignore the little resistor matrix on the right. those were for properly mixing mic and line levels, but it's cheap and it assumes equal levels of sound are constantly coming from the inputs at all times :) |
| 10:28:24 | Tangent | GoRK : I reckon that you've got pretty much all the space used up there |
| 10:29:16 | GoRK | except for vertical space |
| 10:29:37 | Tangent | GoRK : not all that much to go around |
| 10:29:49 | GoRK | there is plenty right under the handset |
| 10:29:58 | GoRK | i bet we could mount the serial mod under the shanip |
| 10:30:03 | Tangent | GoRK : There's a lip on the case which is where my board sits |
| 10:30:16 | Tangent | pulls the screws out for a look |
| 10:31:27 | GoRK | im talking about under the lip... less horizontal space but it could work |
| 10:31:42 | GoRK | shanip2 on top of the lip, serial board under |
| 10:32:56 | Tangent | GoRK : There's also the right hand side... above the stylus |
| 10:33:02 | Tangent | Plenty space there |
| 10:33:21 | Tangent | as long as you can get clear of the speaker on the top cover |
| 10:33:39 | Tangent | Hrm.. maybe I spoke too soon |
| 10:34:20 | Tangent | GoRK : With the board I made, the rs232 connector sticks up about 1.5mm above the lip |
| 10:34:47 | Tangent | GoRK : If I put the board upside down... i.e. solder on the top.. then it will fit |
| 10:35:27 | GoRK | above the stylus there is the speaker. no good |
| 10:35:35 | GoRK | it really takes up a lot of space |
| 10:35:58 | GoRK | above the pcmcia slots might be a better bet |
| 10:36:02 | GoRK | maybe facing the back of the phone |
| 10:36:07 | GoRK | good place for serial port too |
| 10:36:17 | Tangent | GoRK : I was just about to say that ;) |
| 10:36:44 | Tangent | GoRK : My board doesn't fit there.. but that's because it's got the shanip stuff on there too |
| 10:36:59 | GoRK | yeah but a serial-only board... no problem |
| 10:37:16 | Tangent | Yep.. and conveniently already done :) |
| 10:37:44 | GoRK | if I could get these folks to make me a board that was perforated so people could snap off part for the db9, that would be awesome |
| 10:37:48 | GoRK | i will email them and ask |
| 10:37:49 | Tangent | Just one more slice with the saw, and I have two different PCBs.. one shanip and one rs232 |
| 10:38:11 | Tangent | GoRK : Should be no problem.. just specify a lot of holes close to each other |
| 10:38:59 | GoRK | yeah but i dont want to give them something that's going to snap and wreck havock on their machine |
| 10:39:32 | GoRK | they probably cut board outlines with something other than what they use to drill holes |
| 10:40:25 | Tangent | GoRK : A lot of the board fab places use lasers for drilling and cutting etc |
| 10:41:58 | Tangent | wonders once again... what is j304 about? |
| 10:42:08 | Tangent | No.. not that one... |
| 10:42:31 | Tangent | should proably do the sleeping thing, but no longer feels tired |
| 10:49:45 | jacques | man routing is all fucked up |
| 10:50:06 | jacques | now I'm going through NY to get to our hosting facility |
| 10:53:21 | jacques | but only for part of the address space |
| 11:07:21 | Tangent | sleeps 5*3600 |
| 12:14:01 | prh | is back (gone 03:11:58) |
| 12:54:16 | prh | GoRK: can you get decent stereo sound out of the tux? |
| 12:54:40 | prh | spse: has Tangent really gone to bed or is pretending again? |
| 12:56:27 | spse | I think he has, i just tried to phone him and no answer |
| 12:59:18 | prh | got your adsl in now? |
| 12:59:30 | spse | yeah, got it friday |
| 12:59:43 | prh | happy spod eh? |
| 12:59:49 | spse | ;) |
| 13:00:13 | prh | that corner point in Tangent's "office" is going to get cold and lonely |
| 13:00:34 | prh | ooh new version of 2.4.16 on lorien feed (hh4) wonder if serial console works properly in this.. |
| 13:01:16 | spse | prh: did you do any of the other hardware hacks to your tux's? |
| 13:02:34 | prh | not had a chance yet :O( later this week is looking more promising |
| 13:02:47 | prh | need to order a max2323 or two and some otehr bits I don't already got |
| 13:05:23 | MicroChip32 | heheh someone had a sense of humor in the linux kernel .... just oops'd my kernel and got this message ... |
| 13:05:34 | MicroChip32 | "aiee ... killing interrupt handler" |
| 13:05:37 | MicroChip32 | lolol |
| 13:06:30 | MicroChip32 | considers a new nick of "colonel krash" |
| 13:12:26 | MicroChip32 | heh as i was saying *sigh* |
| 16:03:05 | MicroChip32 | pokes CosmicPenguin - did you get your dns straight yet? |
| 16:16:30 | MicroChip32 | turns on Christmas tunes to cover up all the noisy chatter |
| 16:19:32 | kernelwork | plans a trip out to Bob's VW so he can buy a new mufler... |
| 16:20:13 | kernelwork | I learned that when it's dark that is a good time to make sure there are no 2 ft walls behind you... |
| 16:20:14 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: ahhh so THATS why its so noisy in here |
| 16:20:25 | MicroChip32 | lolol |
| 16:20:35 | kernelwork | hangs head in shame |
| 16:20:45 | MicroChip32 | is the wall ok ? <G> |
| 16:20:47 | kernelwork | I even dented my fender |
| 16:20:54 | kernelwork | Yeah, it's brick |
| 16:21:04 | MicroChip32 | whew. good. ;) |
| 16:21:12 | kernelwork | I broke my left tail pipe port off |
| 16:21:23 | MicroChip32 | yuk |
| 16:21:31 | kernelwork | My bumper caved right in so it did me no good. |
| 16:21:43 | MicroChip32 | eww |
| 16:21:45 | kernelwork | I have replacements for all the parts already though :) I bought them 3 weeks ago |
| 16:21:59 | MicroChip32 | heh, just too lazy to put em on eh? <G> |
| 16:22:02 | kernelwork | I just hadn't put them on yet. |
| 16:22:13 | kernelwork | Who says being lazy doesn't pay off in the end? |
| 16:22:35 | kernelwork | Then again... The new mufler would have held up and saved me the tailpipe and fender damage anyway... |
| 16:22:43 | MicroChip32 | perhaps, but will you ever find the 'end' to find out ;) |
| 16:22:44 | kernelwork | er, not mufler, new bumper |
| 16:23:00 | kernelwork | The end? |
| 16:23:14 | kernelwork | is a little sow today |
| 16:23:18 | MicroChip32 | "...pay of in The End" |
| 16:23:23 | MicroChip32 | s/of/off |
| 16:23:34 | MicroChip32 | s/$/\// |
| 16:23:37 | kernelwork | There is no end, just a segfault |
| 16:23:59 | MicroChip32 | heh tell me about it. i put alot of radioactive waste into the atmosphere this morning *sigh* |
| 16:24:14 | kernelwork | I only burn oil while my car is warming up. |
| 16:24:41 | kernelwork | Once everything warms up and expands like it should I can go my merry way without any trouble. |
| 16:25:02 | MicroChip32 | i like the kernel error message tho ..... "aiee, killing interrupt handler" |
| 16:25:25 | kernelwork | I hate that one... My machine always stops responding after it happens :) |
| 16:26:04 | MicroChip32 | yea, mine too. and i still havent figured out, for sure, whats causing it (something in my driver obviously) |
| 16:26:27 | MicroChip32 | USB is a pain =( |
| 16:26:33 | kernelwork | I find it happens after trying to kill the idle task sometimes |
| 16:27:37 | MicroChip32 | heh, then youre lucky, after mine tries to kill the idle task its dead, totally. |
| 16:35:38 | kernelwork | umm... Mine is dead too... |
| 16:35:55 | MicroChip32 | what'd ya do, try it? *lol* |
| 16:45:05 | kernelwork | No, I just remembered from so many times before... |
| 17:19:24 | Morn | I just saw the new machine I want, can anyone lend me $30k? |
| 17:21:04 | MicroChip32 | Morn: sure, if someone will give me 60k for christmas ;) |
| 17:21:05 | Russ|werk | umm...sure |
| 17:21:15 | Morn | :-) |
| 17:21:24 | Morn | the new UltraSparc machines look very nice |
| 17:21:46 | MicroChip32 | yea, and im told they work good too :) |
| 17:21:58 | Morn | BTW under solaris don't get the ld.conf files confused for 64 and 32 bit it leads to mass confusion |
| 17:22:11 | Russ|werk | oops |
| 17:22:18 | Russ|werk | where is andersee.... |
| 17:22:22 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: ngiht [Sat Dec 8 08:30:33 2001] |
| 17:22:22 | Russ|werk | ibot: seen andersee |
| 17:22:38 | Morn | Russ: thanks for all your help with the dhcp stuff |
| 17:23:42 | Morn | with linux under load the cable modem does about 250KB/s while with Windows it only did about 175KB/s |
| 17:24:17 | MicroChip32 | Morn: does that suprise you ? |
| 17:24:24 | Morn | not even a little |
| 17:24:32 | MicroChip32 | hehe |
| 17:25:01 | Morn | I just need to remember how to write a port forwarding rule in iptables (last time I did it was with ipchains) |
| 17:25:14 | Morn | the online documentation for iptables isn't very good |
| 17:25:16 | MicroChip32 | how different is it ? |
| 17:25:22 | Morn | very |
| 17:25:34 | MicroChip32 | *sigh* thanks for the warning :) |
| 17:26:07 | AeroSpace | MicroChip32: It too me a while just to figure out how to enable masquerading. |
| 17:26:21 | Morn | that I did easily |
| 17:26:25 | Morn | and I secured it |
| 17:26:35 | MicroChip32 | i still havent figured out how to port-forward with ipchains (aka inbound to port x on linux box gets routed to port y on internal computer b |
| 17:26:36 | Morn | but now I want to forward port 8080 to the sparc web server |
| 17:27:55 | Morn | there are some gui tools for doing it with ipchains |
| 17:28:03 | Morn | but none that I can find for iptables |
| 17:28:09 | MicroChip32 | text-gui, or x-gui ? |
| 17:28:26 | Morn | x-gui |
| 17:28:32 | MicroChip32 | no x here |
| 17:28:37 | Morn | though I think there are some console tools too |
| 17:29:33 | Morn | I'm sure I really upset the neighbors when I max out the bandwidth for long periods of time |
| 17:29:44 | MicroChip32 | heheheheh awwwwww |
| 17:29:56 | MicroChip32 | wants his own t1 |
| 17:30:09 | Morn | I get T1 like speeds so I can't complain |
| 17:30:16 | Morn | but I sure pay for it |
| 17:30:34 | MicroChip32 | how much? |
| 17:30:49 | Morn | $99 a month for the cable modem (1.5Mb down 768Kb up) |
| 17:31:18 | Morn | although 250KB down right now is a little over 1.5Mb down (I think) |
| 17:31:18 | MicroChip32 | last i knew i could get a full t1 here (not shared) for like 1500/mo |
| 17:31:47 | Morn | I could get a full T1 (not shared) for $800 a month (and as soon as my business can afford it I'll do that) |
| 17:31:56 | Morn | then I'll move my servers here |
| 17:32:12 | MicroChip32 | how so little, in town? |
| 17:32:31 | Morn | I live in a small town, but they are trying to bring more business in the area... |
| 17:32:32 | MicroChip32 | im out in the boonies, no cable, no fibre, no nuffin |
| 17:32:37 | Morn | and that is with the loop fee |
| 17:32:43 | MicroChip32 | nice |
| 17:39:52 | kernelwork | Morn: ISP and loop? |
| 17:41:18 | signal11 | 768k up on a cable modem? |
| 17:41:27 | signal11 | that can't be right |
| 17:42:37 | Morn | signal11: it's the best package they offered |
| 17:42:51 | Morn | kernelwork: yeah... |
| 17:42:53 | signal11 | that's pretty good |
| 17:43:13 | signal11 | do they send nasty emails when you max out the upload bw? |
| 17:44:12 | Morn | I haven't gotten one yet, but I suspect I will (then again I don't use the email account they provided, I don't even know the password) |
| 17:45:19 | Russ|werk | the iptables docs are good |
| 17:45:49 | Russ|werk | netfilter.samba.org |
| 17:46:27 | Morn | I was looking on linuxdoc.org |
| 17:46:44 | Russ|werk | iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $EXT --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT <- get the connection through the firewall |
| 17:46:55 | Russ|werk | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 22 -i $EXT -j DNAT --to 10.10.79.12 <- do the DNAT |
| 17:47:08 | Russ|werk | depending on your rules, you might not need the first one |
| 17:47:13 | Russ|werk | EXT=eth1 |
| 17:48:25 | Morn | is --sport the source? |
| 17:48:37 | AeroSpace | Has anyone gotten the TuxScreen's serial port to communicate with a computer at 230400? 2X 115200 would be helpful. |
| 17:48:40 | MicroChip32 | source port, aka the origination port |
| 17:49:03 | Morn | right, I don't see the source port... just the destination port |
