| 00:04:02 | AeroSpace | SteveD: Do you have a JTag device? |
| 00:06:23 | AeroSpace | SteveD: because if you don't have the blob doesn't work your tuxscreen is toast. Having said that blob is the boot loader and I'm sticking with something that is safe. |
| 00:27:42 | jacques | 'lo |
| 00:38:04 | jacques | The ARM tree now has the dubious distinction of having the most |
| 00:38:04 | jacques | undocumented configuration symbols of any port: 35 out of 96. |
| 00:38:08 | jacques | heh. |
| 00:41:56 | Russ | ouch, a knock from ESR |
| 00:43:36 | jacques | yepper and a pet peeve of my own |
| 00:44:03 | jacques | i hate having to blindly guess when configuring a kernel |
| 06:45:59 | bhima | yawns |
| 06:46:30 | bhima | I've just about finished the DIN enclosure for my tuxscreen. gonna have it in my car tomorrow :) |
| 07:47:25 | | spacecoaster was last seen on #tuxscreen 15 days, 16 hours, 23 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: thekernel: where are you at? [Fri Nov 23 15:24:23 2001] |
| 07:47:25 | jacques | ibot: seen spacecoaster |
| 07:53:41 | jacques | does anyone know how tscal is supposed to work? |
| 07:56:11 | scanline | jacques: which tscal? |
| 07:57:31 | jacques | scanline: the kernel module in cvs |
| 07:57:49 | jacques | scanline: I think it's supposed to make the new ts driver compatible with the old |
| 07:57:57 | jacques | scanline: but I cant get it to work |
| 07:58:01 | scanline | yes, that's what it's supposed to do... |
| 07:58:15 | scanline | i haven't used it myself |
| 07:58:18 | jacques | scanline: do you know how to use it? |
| 07:58:20 | jacques | ah |
| 07:58:28 | jacques | I actually cant find anyone who has |
| 07:58:34 | scanline | (still haven't updated my Tux to the new kernel...) |
| 07:58:39 | jacques | GoRK said it never worked for him |
| 07:59:27 | scanline | Maybe that's why he started writing userspace drivers for all the GUIs :) |
| 08:00:19 | jacques | yeah, I think it is |
| 08:05:27 | scanline | Also, he was saying that it doesn't do pen-up detection, just coordinate transformation, so you'd still have to modify the userspace some... |
| 08:05:33 | scanline | i think |
| 08:05:51 | jacques | yeah this is a major pain |
| 08:06:00 | jacques | i looked at forward-porting the old driver |
| 08:06:07 | jacques | but everything has been changed |
| 08:06:27 | jacques | all the stuff the old driver depends on is no longer there |
| 08:06:49 | scanline | Well, the main problem is that if someone forward ported the old driver, it would never get accepted into rmk's ARM tree |
| 08:07:48 | jacques | i dont care |
| 08:08:17 | jacques | IMHO rmk's driver will not be around for long |
| 08:08:20 | scanline | Well, what we really need is a standard touchscreen interface for the kernel |
| 08:08:29 | jacques | yes |
| 08:08:33 | scanline | something that works with the new input subsystem |
| 08:08:34 | jacques | that's what everyone wants |
| 08:08:50 | jacques | but why break everything before we have that? |
| 08:09:00 | jacques | rmk's driver is not that |
| 08:09:06 | scanline | i agree |
| 08:09:15 | jacques | logically it's going to be short-lived |
| 08:09:23 | jacques | therefore I dont give a shit about it |
| 08:09:24 | scanline | but right now it's easier to change the userspace code than please the kernel hackers |
| 08:09:34 | jacques | also it sounds like it's not well thought-out |
| 08:09:52 | jacques | i just want my x server to work dammit |
| 08:10:01 | jacques | it's unstable on 2.4.7 but fine on 2.4.16 |
| 08:10:04 | jacques | just ts does not work |
| 08:10:42 | scanline | You don't feel like poking around inside X's source? ;) |
| 08:11:08 | jacques | that will alienate jg, which I do not want to do |
| 08:11:38 | jacques | and I have been poking around in X's source a lot lately |
| 08:12:06 | jacques | it was so broken that the ts stuff wont even compile |
| 08:12:16 | scanline | GoRK already wrote a PicoGUI driver for the new touchscreen, maybe you could take some code from that |
| 08:12:30 | jacques | yeah, that's what I'm thinking now |
| 08:12:34 | scanline | Hehe. X's source tree is rather weird |
| 08:12:41 | jacques | you're telling me |
| 08:14:27 | scanline | When I was beginning to work on PicoGUI's client-server code, i took a look at X to see how they do it |
| 08:14:33 | scanline | i had trouble just finding the networking code |
| 08:17:23 | jacques | do you know where I can get GoRK's input driver? |
| 08:18:33 | scanline | I can get you a URL to the right place in PicoGUI's CVS... |
| 08:18:46 | jacques | cool :-) |
| 08:19:40 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/ucb1x00.c?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 08:20:21 | scanline | It might help to understand how picogui's input drivers work also |
| 08:21:07 | scanline | pgserver calls ucb1x00_regfunc() to have the driver register it's functions- this driver defines 'init', 'close', 'fd_activate', and 'fd_init' |
| 08:21:07 | jacques | dammit it looks like the fix keithp committed to make the ts stuff compile does not work |
| 08:21:15 | scanline | darn |
| 08:21:20 | scanline | the ts stuff in X? |
| 08:21:26 | jacques | back to the august source I guess |
| 08:21:34 | jacques | this is so discouraging |
| 08:21:43 | jacques | I've been banging on this for weeks |
| 08:21:56 | jacques | I cant get X stable where ts works |
| 08:22:06 | jacques | stable X no ts, unstable X with ts |
| 08:22:23 | scanline | This is X with uClibc or glibc? |
| 08:23:13 | jacques | uclibc |
| 08:23:21 | scanline | neat. How big is it? |
| 08:23:55 | jacques | the server is about 730k - about same as with glibc - it's dynamically linked |
| 08:24:20 | jacques | the space savings comes from not having to have glibc |
| 08:30:15 | scanline | yep |
| 08:30:21 | scanline | well, i'm off to bed... |
| 08:30:22 | scanline | good night |
| 08:30:29 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzZzzzz |
| 15:59:38 | scanline | is back (gone 07:29:09) |
| 17:27:04 | Morn | morning |
| 17:27:20 | MicroChip32 | ohhhhh someone is alibe |
| 17:27:22 | MicroChip32 | alive even |
| 17:27:32 | Morn | kinad |
| 17:27:33 | Morn | kinda |
| 17:27:41 | Morn | I nuked my system last night :-( |
| 17:27:57 | MicroChip32 | yikes, i didnt see any mushroom cloud |
| 17:28:08 | Morn | you should have, it was a big one |
| 17:29:03 | MicroChip32 | prolly was too busy crashing my own kernel :) |
| 17:29:35 | Morn | I had some filesystem corruption (reiserfs, no surprise) and decided to re-install and accidently reformated /home along with the rest |
| 17:29:41 | Morn | I can't believe I did that |
| 17:29:43 | MicroChip32 | ouch |
| 17:30:15 | Morn | luckily everything important (data) was backed up |
| 17:30:22 | Morn | but a lot of downloaded source got lost |
| 17:30:57 | MicroChip32 | if i gotta redo this [linux server] system its gonna take me 2 days minium to put it back in order, even WITH backups. |
| 17:31:24 | MicroChip32 | too many packages to reinstall |
| 17:31:31 | Morn | if I have to redo my production server it would take more than week... |
| 17:32:01 | Morn | it's the culmination of work since '93... |
| 17:32:16 | MicroChip32 | heheh well it take that long to get this one back the way it is now, but it'd be up and running with the critical stuff in a couple days |
| 17:32:23 | MicroChip32 | ewwww |
| 17:32:36 | Morn | there is more custom code on it than you can imagine |
| 17:33:21 | Morn | I need to get a remote backup method in place though (at least for user data and critical system conf files) |
| 17:33:25 | Morn | something configurable |
| 17:33:44 | Morn | since it is co-located on the opposite side of the country I can't just use a tape drive |
| 17:33:58 | MicroChip32 | and how many tapes do you use for backup ? |
| 17:33:58 | MicroChip32 | test |
| 17:33:58 | MicroChip32 | hmmm |
| 17:33:58 | MicroChip32 | am i still here ? |
| 17:34:20 | Morn | still here |
| 17:34:50 | Morn | re's |
| 17:36:13 | MicroChip32 | aaarrgggggggghhhhhhhh. friggin isp |
| 17:36:15 | MicroChip32 | friggin isp did it again, twice in a row |
| 17:36:52 | MicroChip32 | WTF? |
| 17:37:00 | Morn | looks like your having fun |
| 17:37:20 | MicroChip32 | 's head starts spinning |
| 17:38:08 | MicroChip32 | is glad his server auto-redials |
| 17:52:24 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm scary, that test didnt blow up my kernel =) |
| 17:54:17 | SteveD | does anyone know what source the blob-2.0.5-pre2-timr is based on? I can only find 2.0.5-pre1 around, and buildroot-tux makes 2.0.4. |
| 17:56:12 | Morn | Didn't you ask this before? |
| 17:56:23 | Morn | If I was you I'd stick with 2.0.4 |
| 17:56:24 | SteveD | sure. nobody seems to know...? |
| 17:56:26 | Morn | it's well tested |
| 17:56:44 | Morn | a bad blob can brick your machine |
| 17:57:08 | MicroChip32 | Morn: not if you have a jtag |
| 17:57:19 | Morn | right, but few people have those |
| 17:57:32 | MicroChip32 | has materials for several, just aint built em yet |
| 17:57:40 | SteveD | sure - I know that. its not obvious what the blob-2.0.5-pre2-timr is for in the v0.5 directory |
| 17:58:06 | SteveD | I would have expected the binaries in there to be the output of the buildroot-tux script in there, but it aint so |
| 17:59:10 | Morn | email tim and ask |
| 17:59:14 | Morn | are you on the mailing list? |
| 17:59:37 | SteveD | Morn: I'm on the tuxscreen devel list, but nobody every posts there |
| 17:59:50 | Morn | have you? |
| 17:59:53 | SteveD | or, hardly ever, anyhow. Is there some other list? |
| 18:00:03 | SteveD | Morn: in the past, sure |
| 18:00:15 | Morn | well I didn't see your question there |
| 18:00:18 | Morn | so I asked... |
| 18:00:26 | Morn | It would be the best place to ask |
| 18:00:34 | SteveD | Fair point. I'll query it there |
| 18:00:57 | Morn | is not being difficult, she is just offering alternatives. |
| 18:01:35 | MicroChip32 | nods, yep, definitely being difficult <G> |
| 18:01:53 | SteveD | notices BZFlag logged in here, so didn't think it unreasonable to ask the question here in IRC again |
| 18:02:06 | Morn | Tim isn't around much |
| 19:28:21 | Niddix | Hrmm.. TigerDirect has got Ipaq IA-1 on sale for $99. |
| 19:47:19 | Russ | morn' Morn |
| 19:49:09 | Morn | hey |
| 19:49:11 | Morn | brb |
| 20:11:36 | Morn | Russ: I got the USB port on the cable modem to work under linux :-) |
| 20:12:24 | Russ | ya? DHCP? or just hooked up through USB |
| 20:12:30 | Morn | DHCP |
| 20:12:37 | Russ | what changed? |
| 20:12:48 | Morn | I reformated the linux box :-) |
| 20:13:02 | Morn | and then I did a few hacks to the CDCEther.c file |
| 20:13:07 | Morn | and tried it again |
| 20:13:07 | Russ | does it work with ethernet too? |
| 20:13:15 | Morn | I haven't tried with ethernet yet |
| 20:13:19 | Morn | let me do that |
| 20:17:06 | Morn | no, doesn't work with ethernet |
| 21:08:11 | Russ | Morn: hmm |
| 21:08:26 | Russ | Morn: maybe you aren't sending packets? |
| 21:17:09 | Morn | well, if it works with usb under linux I won't argue |
| 21:17:16 | Morn | I need to finish the firewall |
| 21:22:01 | Morn | I'm getting faster speeds under linux than I did with XP too |
| 21:22:06 | Morn | and a LOT more control |
| 21:23:34 | Morn | I can get nearly 200KB/sec now |
| 23:11:54 | Morn | re's |
| 23:19:35 | MicroChip32 | curls up in a corner and falls asleep snoring |
| 23:23:30 | Morn | not so loud! |
| 23:31:15 | MicroChip32 | hooks up the amplifyier to drown out the complaints ;) |
| 23:35:22 | Morn | oh my |