| 00:04:00 | jacques | GoRK: too many variables with x server - graphics hardware totally different on x86 |
| 00:04:25 | GoRK | um it's a framebuffer x server. the graphics hardware has zero to do with it |
| 00:04:26 | jacques | GoRK: I guess I have to mount an intimate dist on udrive and debug that way |
| 00:04:51 | jacques | hmm |
| 00:05:06 | GoRK | why dont you just run debian over nfs? |
| 00:06:13 | jacques | I'll just mount a udrive |
| 00:06:23 | jacques | i have it pretty much ready to go |
| 00:06:46 | BZFlag | GPSFan: you around? ??s on the jtag dongle. |
| 00:07:20 | BZFlag | GPSFan: would it not be a Good Thing to have some other pins on the out side to handle things like nTRST etc? |
| 00:07:52 | BZFlag | ie: the par bits would map to them and then the sw could turn them on and off to enable jtag on the device etc. |
| 00:15:53 | GPSFan | BZFlag: I'm here.. |
| 00:16:58 | GPSFan | BZFlag: that would be possible, but would require software diddling.. oh, I forgot this is a sfotware intensive group, np then... |
| 00:17:01 | jacques | BZFlag: do you have any suggestions for debugging a segfaulting X server on the tuxscreen? |
| 00:18:30 | jacques | the cool thing is that lr=0x400ab000 is always the case |
| 00:18:40 | jacques | so it may be a consistent bug |
| 00:18:41 | Morn | Hi signal11 |
| 00:25:09 | | spacecoaster was last seen on #tuxscreen 13 days, 9 hours, 46 seconds ago, saying: thekernel: where are you at? [Fri Nov 23 15:24:23 2001] |
| 00:25:09 | jacques | ibot: seen spacecoaster |
| 00:25:16 | jacques | :-\ |
| 00:30:43 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 00:30:43 | BZFlag | ibot: wb |
| 00:31:28 | BZFlag | jacques: strace? gdb should run if you build it. |
| 01:12:54 | Niddix | As anyone tried setting up a tux as a Dialup sharing firewall/webcache? |
| 01:18:02 | GoRK | not very good as a chache without any storage :) |
| 01:19:33 | Niddix | Thats what CF cards are for. |
| 01:20:29 | CosmicPenguin | brb |
| 01:26:06 | prpplague | howdy howdy |
| 01:27:11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: How goes it? |
| 01:29:12 | prpplague | argh, headed to barbados in the morning to clean up a raid mess.... |
| 01:30:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Too bad.... :) |
| 01:30:38 | prpplague | yep |
| 01:32:57 | CosmicPenguin | I trust the situation is grim, and the you are the only guy who can help... |
| 01:33:16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, just the only guy left in the office |
| 01:33:27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we get busy this time of the year |
| 01:34:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i like to get the overseas assignments we i can, but the keep me locked up most of the time |
| 01:35:12 | CosmicPenguin | Well, yeah, I would expect they don't send you out to see the local flora and fauna very much.... |
| 01:36:21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: barbados has lots of UK women that visit on holiday.... |
| 01:38:24 | prpplague | argh, why are open source advocated refered to as "Open Source fanatics" |
| 01:40:50 | CosmicPenguin | *shrug* Anything thats not the status quo is a fanatic... |
| 01:46:10 | Morn | I support open source, but some people are rabid about it |
| 01:46:21 | Morn | it actually hurts, not helps, when they get like that |
| 01:46:24 | Sammy | morning all |
| 01:46:29 | CosmicPenguin | Like ESR? |
| 01:46:39 | Morn | Richard Stallman comes to mind |
| 01:47:06 | CosmicPenguin | Ahha... RMS... :) |
| 01:47:17 | prpplague | lol |
| 01:47:25 | Morn | Stallman critizied Gnome because they supported the Gnome on Darwin |
| 01:47:34 | Morn | because it was a closed system |
| 01:47:47 | Morn | He said they had lost the vision |
| 01:47:55 | Morn | I think he has lost the vision |
| 01:47:58 | prpplague | why not refer to them "passionate advocates of open source" instead? |
| 01:48:05 | GoRK | rms is a total freak. i hate that guy. i hope he has an accident with one of the hundreds of guns he has |
| 01:48:20 | prpplague | or "open source enthusiasts" |
| 01:48:41 | prpplague | there has to be a more accurate phrase than "Open Source fanatics" |
| 01:49:08 | Morn | there is a valid reason for 'pay' software |
| 01:49:14 | CosmicPenguin | They are fanatics... I love open source myself, but I would never begruge anyone to make themselves a few bucks..... |
| 01:49:20 | Morn | some software would never have been created if not for profit |
| 01:49:31 | GoRK | stallman is a communist too |
| 01:49:35 | CosmicPenguin | If they make a good product, then I'll buy it... if not, I'll use a free version.... |
| 01:49:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh i agree, i just make money from open source |
| 01:49:56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i don't mind paying for a quality product |
| 01:50:02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: So do I... |
| 01:50:43 | Morn | I pay for a lot of software (especially small groups that are charging) |
| 01:50:44 | prpplague | but because i'd rather use open source whenever possible, does that make me a fanatic? |
| 01:51:36 | prpplague | got called an "open source fanatic" by his winblows sysadm in the managers meeting this morning... |
| 01:51:55 | Morn | I prefer open source not because of the cost but the source.... and the fact that you often get direct contact with the developer |
| 01:52:19 | prpplague | Morn: thats always big plus in my book |
| 01:52:44 | Morn | I've given more patches for open source software than I can count... |
| 01:53:09 | CosmicPenguin | Unfortunately, we are all in the minority... |
| 01:53:40 | Morn | but Stallmans approach is just not good... |
| 01:53:47 | Morn | he is a real nut case |
| 01:53:51 | Niddix | <sarcasm>You know all open source programs are virii</sarcasm> |
| 01:54:08 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: They really are..... |
| 01:54:09 | Morn | and the GPL is just another cage in my opinion |
| 01:54:35 | GoRK | the gpl is an awful and terrible license. you know stallman wants to do away with the LGPL entirely also |
| 01:54:41 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: The GPL is good for individual programmers... it protects them and their code... |
| 01:54:55 | CosmicPenguin | But in major productions, the GPL does nothing but cause trouble.... |
| 01:55:05 | Morn | in my opinon the GPL is too restricive |
| 01:55:13 | Morn | a lot of people aren't using it because of that |
| 01:55:20 | CosmicPenguin | I GPL all of my indivdual stuff, but everything I work on as part of a team is usually MPL (though I like LGPL too) |
| 01:55:33 | GoRK | other licenses can protect individuals and the code without causing so much stupidity. plus the gpl has never even had a court test |
| 01:56:16 | GoRK | it is conceivably likely that bits of it might be totally invalidated if it were to ever endure such a trial |
| 01:56:49 | prpplague | our core product is closed source, however all of our support applications are GPL, we sell almost as much GPL as we do close source stuff |
| 01:57:00 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Bits of it maybe, but I would expect it to hold up pretty nicely.... |
| 01:57:02 | Morn | it also seems possible that at some point the GPL could change and remove all the rights... most say something to the effect of 'license version 2 or newer' |
| 01:57:15 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: yeah of course the whole thing is not bogus :) |
| 01:57:48 | CosmicPenguin | It does a fairly good job of protecting IP.... |
| 01:58:07 | CosmicPenguin | On the other hand, with the MPL you give up all rights.... |
| 02:00:06 | Sammy | prpplague: knee how :-) |
| 02:04:34 | CosmicPenguin | Well, I wonder how long I need to wait around for my boss... |
| 02:05:42 | Morn | why in the heck is solaris using swap when there is 760M of real ram free |
| 02:07:19 | CosmicPenguin | hold on a second |
| 02:07:52 | CosmicPenguin | I'm teaching myself never to screw with my colors... I'll never get em back the way I want em now... |
| 02:08:37 | prpplague | Sammy: wo han how... |
| 02:21:41 | prpplague | bbl, got 12 36gig hd's to up grade |
| 03:41:28 | jacques | what was the scoop on using the tuxscreen IR keyboard with the ipaq? |
| 10:04:01 | GoRK | greetings! |
| 10:04:19 | Russ | 'ello |
| 10:04:40 | GoRK | what's happening? |
| 10:04:54 | GoRK | im compiling a kernel! |
| 10:04:58 | GoRK | I need a faster machine! |
| 10:12:13 | GoRK | does nico's arm patches have the preemption stuff in htem? |
| 10:12:46 | GoRK | ahh yes 2.4.12-ac6-rmk1-preempt.gz hrm |
| 10:12:54 | GoRK | 2.61kb. must not be much |
| 10:14:03 | prh | preemptive kernel eh - you doing time critical stuff? |
| 10:14:22 | Russ | dsp? |
| 10:14:50 | GoRK | naw i just compiled it up for my desktop but saw the links to nico's arm patches and wondered about it |
| 10:15:33 | GoRK | actually preemption would probably help anyone using a gui on the tux due to the ucb1200 |
| 11:42:55 | GoRK | hmm wow either 1) the preemption patch really made a *whole lot* of difference or my bios wasnt enabling SSE on my athlon |
| 11:43:15 | ctr | heh |
| 11:43:20 | ctr | that noticeable? |
| 11:43:38 | GoRK | yeah crazy. i didnt think it would be :) |
| 11:43:50 | GoRK | even at 0 load |
| 11:44:15 | ctr | heh |
| 11:44:17 | ctr | might try it out |
| 11:44:22 | ctr | does it qwork on SMP? |
| 11:45:03 | GoRK | dunno, i didnt see any glaring "DONT USE THIS ON SMP" warnings but i dont have smp here, so ... dunno |
| 11:45:29 | GoRK | i do run APIC though, and im running... |
| 11:51:00 | ctr | hmm |
| 11:51:13 | ctr | i think i might add higher performace to mod_ferite |
| 11:51:17 | ctr | like script caching |
| 11:51:23 | ctr | and what not |
| 12:54:30 | MicroChip32 | wow, no ops, no greeting? |
| 15:01:34 | Morn | is away: cleaning up (yes I was behind the ears) |
| 15:37:55 | Morn | is back (gone 00:36:21) |
| 15:38:49 | prpplague | howdy morn |
| 15:39:01 | Morn | morning |
| 15:39:24 | prpplague | Morn: break any good code today? |
| 15:39:49 | Morn | not yet, give me time |
| 15:40:00 | prpplague | cool |
| 15:41:08 | Morn | I kinda broke the internal webserver here, but it isn't my fault (not really) |
| 15:45:25 | prpplague | yaya sure |
| 15:54:57 | Morn | to make the server work properly through the firewall I had to change the ServerName to the firewall hostname |
| 15:55:05 | Morn | which broke it for internal clients |
| 15:55:11 | prpplague | soh |
| 15:55:13 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:55:49 | prpplague | has been tweaking the email server's spam filters, got lots of complaints this morning about email being refused |
| 15:56:06 | Morn | spam is a never ending war |
| 15:56:15 | Morn | spam bouncer works fine as a procmail filter |
| 15:58:57 | Morn | the thing I like is I can set it to save all spam/blocked email to a folder so that I can review it just in case something gets tagged that shouldn't have |
| 15:59:51 | prpplague | ya thats the way i'm setting things up now |
| 16:00:36 | prpplague | the thing about it is, i have to do the sysadm's job, but don't get any extra pay |
| 16:00:49 | Morn | Trust me I know the feeling |
| 16:01:29 | Morn | It's worse when you are a girl |
| 16:01:36 | Morn | you get paid less and work more |
| 16:04:55 | prpplague | well, time for my flight |
| 16:05:10 | prpplague | yall have fun today |
| 17:04:44 | MicroChip32 | Morn: look at it the other way, ppl tend to underestimate you, can give you the advantage |
| 17:06:58 | Morn | it's just frustrating |
| 17:07:20 | Morn | frustrating that so many people dont' thank a woman can be a programmer/admin |
| 17:07:27 | Morn | it's such a male dominated market |
| 17:07:29 | ctr | they can't |
| 17:07:41 | Morn | looks sternly at ctr! |
| 17:07:41 | ctr | they are only good for cleaning, irnoing and making food |
| 17:07:43 | ctr | ducks ;) |
| 17:07:50 | MicroChip32 | i hear ya morn, and i agree with ya |
| 17:07:55 | MicroChip32 | grabs the back of ctr's undies and pulls them over ctr's head! |
| 17:08:02 | ctr | hahaha |
| 17:08:05 | ctr | is joiking |
| 17:08:15 | Morn | falls off her chair laughing. |
| 17:08:27 | ctr | anyways |
| 17:08:56 | ctr | on that note |
| 17:08:56 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 17:08:56 | MicroChip32 | note? ya mean that high squeek ya made? <G> |
| 17:08:59 | ctr | i am off to do something else |
| 17:08:59 | ctr | not sure what yet |
| 17:08:59 | ctr | but maybe unlock my gf from the kitchen sink and let her do some hoovering |
| 17:09:01 | ctr | whilst i grab a beer and watch some tv |
| 17:09:09 | MicroChip32 | lolol |
| 17:09:37 | MicroChip32 | needs a gf to do his cooking so he doesnt burn the water when he gets distracted online |
| 17:09:43 | ctr | heh |
| 17:09:46 | ctr | ohwell |
| 17:09:49 | ctr | laterz |
| 17:10:17 | kernelwork | I have a friend wo seems to thing Women are for cooking (kidding of course), oddly enough he cooks better than his gf |
| 17:10:25 | Morn | MicroChip32: that happens to us all... I'm trained as a cook, and I still made a serious mistake while trying to cook and code at the same time |
| 17:10:44 | kernelwork | Code is just so much more interesting... |
| 17:10:51 | Morn | agrees. |
| 17:10:52 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe, got that right kernelwork |
| 17:11:01 | MicroChip32 | needs a terminal in the kitchen |
| 17:11:12 | Morn | put the tuxscreen in the kitchen |
| 17:11:14 | MicroChip32 | or a hotplate next to the pc |
| 17:11:21 | Morn | with a wireless pcmcia card |
| 17:11:29 | MicroChip32 | Morn: i would, but gotta get it hacked first |
| 17:11:33 | kernelwork | considers covering his kitchen walls with e-paper in 8 years once it hits market :) |
| 17:11:39 | MicroChip32 | lol kern |
| 17:12:07 | kernelwork | slashdot on the wall, with quake on the fridge! |
| 17:12:14 | MicroChip32 | shakes his head |
| 17:12:23 | kernelwork | Quake IX since that's the version we'll be up to. |
| 17:13:32 | kernelwork | Perhaps webpads will hit the market in the next 2 years. |
| 17:13:59 | kernelwork | That's the sort of thing I could see myself having a couple of. One in the kitchen, one in the car... |
| 17:14:03 | Morn | be careful what keys you hit |
| 17:14:19 | kernelwork | I hear alt-F4 is a good one in windows :) |
| 17:14:19 | Morn | I meant to hit ctrl-alt-+ and did ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 17:14:34 | kernelwork | Who needs an X server anyway? |
| 17:14:43 | Morn | giggles. |
| 17:15:22 | kernelwork | wonders how much will change in the 2 years he is away from the computer industry |
| 17:15:41 | Morn | have fun in Germany |
| 17:15:58 | kernelwork | I wonder if people will start coming up with viable dotcoms... |
| 17:16:08 | kernelwork | Though, that is still a contradiction in terms |
| 17:16:15 | kernelwork | viable dotcom that is. |
| 17:16:41 | kernelwork | I guess thinkgeek.com does alright |
| 17:17:03 | kernelwork | Then again, the have the tried and true T-Shrit business model :) |
| 17:17:34 | Morn | ebay is doing ok |
| 17:17:46 | MicroChip32 | likes his domain, managed to get a decent 6-letter one |
| 17:18:02 | kernelwork | Of course they are, the take a cut of all transactions. |
| 17:18:03 | Morn | I registered my domain in the mid-90's |
| 17:18:14 | Morn | And I lost the one domain I really wanted |
| 17:18:19 | kernelwork | I registered my domain 11 months ago |
| 17:18:22 | MicroChip32 | yuk |
| 17:18:28 | Morn | it's silly when someone takes a domain the day it expires |
| 17:18:32 | Morn | but I guess that's life |
| 17:18:35 | kernelwork | linuxhost.cc is a decent domain. |
| 17:18:44 | Morn | I had folkmusic.org registered at one time |
| 17:18:49 | MicroChip32 | i reg'd one of mine 13 mo's ago, one a couple yrs ago, and one 3 or 4 yrs ago |
| 17:19:02 | MicroChip32 | ohhh that'd be cool morn, and prolly was valuable |
| 17:19:04 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: What domains do you have? |
| 17:19:22 | Morn | Record created on 10-Feb-1996 |
| 17:19:24 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: backwoods.org (currently in use by a friend), mctech.org and pchelpers.org (run by a group) |
| 17:19:29 | Morn | that's magenet.com |
| 17:19:45 | MicroChip32 | reg'd in that order |
| 17:20:06 | Morn | I put my first co-lo'd server up in '94 |
| 17:20:10 | Morn | with linux |
| 17:20:12 | kernelwork | doesn't really feel like spending $250 on 5 more years of domain, but It's 1,2, 5 or 10 years... |
| 17:20:28 | CosmicPenguin | The fridge computer has already been done...... |
| 17:20:33 | MicroChip32 | $50/year ?? |
| 17:20:38 | kernelwork | Linux back in '94... How far have we come... |
| 17:20:43 | CosmicPenguin | <--- knack for poping in and keeping dead converstations alive... |
| 17:20:50 | Morn | I started with linux in '93 |
| 17:21:11 | Morn | seems like a world ago |
| 17:21:11 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: It would have been cheaper if I rgistered for longer in the beginning. |
| 17:21:15 | MicroChip32 | doesnt remember when he first toyed with linux, but didnt ~really~ learn it till a couple years ago |
| 17:21:21 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, well, thats back when people would fight to get on the one Sparc 20 at school... :) |
| 17:21:35 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: But has the fridge computer been done with e-paper? I think not |
| 17:22:43 | kernelwork | enic.cc raised prices in the last few months. I should have registered more domain time last summer. I would have probably saved $85 on the 5 year re-register |
| 17:22:43 | CosmicPenguin | E-paper is the ViaVoice of the year 2001..... It looks cool, but it can do nothing pratical, and it costs a ton... |
| 17:23:05 | MicroChip32 | wants a wall size screen that he can program to be subdivided and/or windowed to be operated by multiple sources (tv,pc,game,etc) |
| 17:23:21 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: yes, true... That's why I said in 8 years (speculating that that's how long it would take to make it to market if it really is viable) |
| 17:23:21 | Morn | it's weird I sometimes get strange looks because my resume is in pdf format not word |
| 17:23:34 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: bah! You won't hear about it after this year.... |
| 17:23:46 | MicroChip32 | morn: i put my res in flash a few months ago |
| 17:23:49 | CosmicPenguin | But it is not the biggest lost venture this year..... I forget about IT.... :) |
| 17:23:50 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: So you want it run by a Linux box with an X server that has all those apps... |
| 17:23:57 | Morn | flash? yikes... |
| 17:24:11 | MicroChip32 | morn: yep, gave me an excuse to learn it ;) |
| 17:24:26 | Morn | anyone here use the tv out on a geforce video card? |
| 17:24:36 | Morn | I can't get mine to work, and it would be nice for watching dvd's |
| 17:24:45 | kernelwork | Morn: I made pdf because noone does word perfect anymore... |
| 17:25:12 | Morn | kernelwork: pdf is nice because I can show it on my handheld too |
| 17:25:16 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: hey, not so fast, i still use wp6.1 |
| 17:25:36 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Why not staroffice? |
| 17:25:36 | kernelwork | Morn: I considered buying a Geforce card... Does that count? |
| 17:25:36 | MicroChip32 | doesnt have a pdf maker =( |
| 17:26:02 | Morn | MicroChip32: there is a ps -> pdf converter that is gpl |
| 17:26:05 | Morn | that is what I used |
| 17:26:16 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: I found a postscript printer driver in the default windows printer driver list on the CD and installed it. It only prints to file then I run ps2pdf in linux. |
| 17:26:19 | Morn | kernelwork: hmmm, close... |
| 17:26:34 | MicroChip32 | hehehe kern/morn nice |
| 17:27:05 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: Do you think webpads are doomed to fail? |
| 17:27:18 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Why would my mom buy one? |
| 17:27:53 | kernelwork | I don't know, but I'll bet my brother would buy one. |
| 17:28:08 | MicroChip32 | better question, could my mom AFFORD to buy one |
| 17:28:15 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: that doesn't count you have a geeky family. |
| 17:28:21 | kernelwork | Just because you can't sell them now doesn't mean you can't in 10 years |
| 17:28:37 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Why would my mom buy one in 10 years? What is going to change? |
| 17:29:04 | MicroChip32 | what will change? version numbers, the government, and the prices |
| 17:29:14 | CosmicPenguin | Just because something is technologically sound (or is just "cool") doesn't mean it will succeed.. |
| 17:29:14 | kernelwork | My mom would buy a computer, she wouldn't have 10 years ago. |
| 17:29:18 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Why? |
| 17:29:59 | kernelwork | Because they weren't common and mass marketed 10 years ago. They also became useful in those 10 years. |
| 17:30:22 | CosmicPenguin | Exactly... |
| 17:30:44 | kernelwork | I'll bet webpads could also have applications for those in the school systems so they can have more interactive type things on their desks. Get the kids hooked and you have a market in a few years. |
| 17:31:04 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: But they don't pay for those..... |
| 17:31:24 | Morn | hmmm, picogui seems to lock up after about 18hours of use |
| 17:31:36 | Morn | I can still get in via the serial port and reset it |
| 17:32:02 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: 18 hours straight? Thats not too shabby..... efence would probably track that sucker down... |
| 17:32:32 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: yeah, the last couple of days I just let it run it crashes at about 18 hours of use |
| 17:32:46 | MicroChip32 | slow memory leak? |
| 17:33:05 | kernelwork | Well, if it were a fast one it wouldn't last that long would it? |
| 17:33:07 | kernelwork | :) |
| 17:33:10 | Morn | at least the tuxphone daemon doesn't crash... |
| 17:33:18 | Morn | since I still use it as a phone |
| 17:33:35 | MicroChip32 | bah, daggone weather forcast keeps saying snow .... but only north of us *sigh* |
| 17:34:08 | Morn | plays some Merle Hagard and annoys her roommate |
| 17:34:43 | MicroChip32 | go Morn ;) |
| 17:35:10 | kernelwork | I don't have a roommate... I only have a computer... |
| 17:35:39 | Morn | this php script for doing a mp3 jukebox is very nice |
| 17:35:49 | Morn | it lets her play what she wants on her computer too |
| 17:36:05 | Morn | now can I run galeon on solaris? |
| 17:36:27 | kernelwork | Yeah, X works betwen hosts :) |
| 17:36:30 | signal11 | cosmicpenguin the key to marketing success is to convince people that they need something; even if they really don't |
| 17:36:44 | MicroChip32 | signal11: ya mean like MS does? |
| 17:36:51 | signal11 | everyone does |
| 17:36:53 | Morn | kenrel: no I need it to run on the local machine |
| 17:36:56 | signal11 | tivo for example |
| 17:36:58 | kernelwork | Hey, people need the paperclip in work |
| 17:37:04 | MicroChip32 | signal11: yea but ms is the master of it |
| 17:37:10 | kernelwork | Morn: I thought you did, it was worth a shot. |
| 17:37:14 | signal11 | post it notes |
| 17:37:16 | signal11 | etc |
| 17:37:30 | signal11 | microchip32 that's different; they force people to buy things they don't need |
| 17:37:33 | kernelwork | signal11: I actually don't know what I would do without post it notes |
| 17:37:38 | signal11 | which is an even more effective marketing method |
| 17:37:55 | Morn | mozilla runs on microwindows now doesn't it? |
| 17:37:55 | signal11 | kernelwork perhaps you weren't around before they were invented 8^) |
| 17:37:57 | kernelwork | monopoly != marketing |
| 17:38:01 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: It does..... |
| 17:38:11 | CosmicPenguin | I think .9.4 was the last version.... |
| 17:38:12 | MicroChip32 | right kernelwork |
| 17:38:13 | kernelwork | signal11: yes, but having always had them I'm addicted |
| 17:38:19 | signal11 | we used smoke signals back then |
| 17:38:25 | CosmicPenguin | But they just came out with antialiasted fonts, which is wicked cool..... |
| 17:38:35 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: so 0.9.6 won't work on microwindows? |
| 17:38:37 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I'll bet you did....:-) |
| 17:39:04 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: You can always try it.... the problem is that they have to "emulate" the X11 calls, so if the mozilla folks added any more X stuff to the code, it won't compile correctly.... |
| 17:39:15 | kernelwork | I heard once that there was once a time when phones weren't mobile ;) |
| 17:39:17 | Morn | ah |
| 17:39:42 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: yea, we still have one with a real DIAL on the face (and it works even) |
| 17:40:39 | Morn | when I was a kid the old man down the street said he had a smarts machine |
| 17:40:50 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: It also comes in at about 50MB.... not exactly portable, though they swear that they can shrink it to 4MB for just the browser... |
| 17:40:50 | Morn | that if I held these two leads it would would make me smarter |
| 17:41:03 | CosmicPenguin | I've seen it run on an Ipaq... |
| 17:41:10 | Morn | I grabbed the leads and he cranked it up... |
| 17:41:14 | kernelwork | My dad used to have 6 phones in his house. (back when you had to pay by the phone). They only had one phone's ringer enabled so ATT didn't notice the other phones on the line. |
| 17:41:17 | Morn | I got shocked real bad... |
| 17:41:21 | MicroChip32 | Morn: did ya get smarter? <G> |
| 17:41:29 | Morn | he told me I was now smarter so I wouldn't grab the leads again |
| 17:41:37 | Morn | it was an old style phone with a crank |
| 17:41:52 | CosmicPenguin | My science teacher had one of those... we all held hands and he cranked it.... |
| 17:42:01 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: lolol |
| 17:42:16 | CosmicPenguin | Nuthn' like knocking out 30 students... of course, these days he would probably be sued... |
| 17:42:35 | CosmicPenguin | And thats real sad to say, because I only graduated 8 years ago.... :) |
| 17:42:51 | MicroChip32 | hs or col CosmicPenguin |
| 17:42:53 | Morn | avoids saying when she graduated High School. |
| 17:43:02 | CosmicPenguin | High school.... |
| 17:43:11 | MicroChip32 | feels like an old fogey |
| 17:43:16 | CosmicPenguin | crazy huh? |
| 17:43:54 | MicroChip32 | morn, grad hs in the last decade? |
| 17:44:02 | kernelwork | I only graduated 18 months ago:) |
| 17:44:05 | Morn | '85 |
| 17:44:13 | MicroChip32 | Morn: ya beat me by 3 years |
| 17:44:24 | CosmicPenguin | Wow... Zilog filed for Chapter 11...... |
| 17:44:28 | CosmicPenguin | Another chapter closes..... |
| 17:44:35 | Morn | my roommate is 10 years older than me and I don't let her forget it |
| 17:44:42 | MicroChip32 | lol Morn |
| 17:45:17 | kernelwork | Good grief, my own class website has a javascript popup on load... olyclass2000.com |
| 17:45:47 | MicroChip32 | and i bet she keeps reminding you youre a 'young whippersnapper' |
| 17:45:54 | Morn | I've never gone to a class reunion |
| 17:46:04 | Morn | most of those people are people I don't want to associate with |
| 17:46:48 | kernelwork | There are probably 5-10 people in my class I'd like to see again. That's about it. |
| 17:47:13 | Morn | I email the one girl but that is it |
| 17:47:19 | MicroChip32 | ive seen like 3 people from my class since i graduated, and could care less wether i even see those again |
| 17:47:22 | kernelwork | I already see most of those on a regular basis anyway :) |
| 17:47:49 | kernelwork | I bowl with some of the guys from my senior foods class |
| 17:48:31 | MicroChip32 | has almost now real-life social life, and could care less (mostly) |
| 17:48:34 | kernelwork | We setup a grill and cooked steak and other good meats for our open cooking in foods. After the class of 2000 no one is able to do that anymore. We had fun |
| 17:48:37 | MicroChip32 | s/now/no/ |
| 17:48:43 | Morn | I was voted "Most likely to re-write Einstiens equations" by my high school class <giggle) |
| 17:48:53 | MicroChip32 | lol Morn |
| 17:49:24 | kernelwork | I forgot what my senior prediction said. |
| 17:49:26 | MicroChip32 | didnt even attend graduation |
| 17:50:14 | kernelwork | Though alot of people in highschool told me they thought I would be the next bill gates. They don't understand how bad that is... They also probably said that just because they didn't understand me when I spoke. |
| 17:50:35 | MicroChip32 | ewwww what an insult kernelwork |
| 17:51:52 | kernelwork | I can't hold it against them because they really weren't the type to appreciate the trouble caused by our man gates. |
| 17:52:32 | MicroChip32 | hehe unfortunately most people arent |
| 17:53:22 | Morn | my roommate just walked in and saw the xpenguins program running |
| 17:53:35 | Morn | she told me she's going to tell my therapist I have a penguin fixation |
| 17:54:00 | kernelwork | Morn: you should see the penguin I made in pottery |
| 17:54:06 | kernelwork | It looks pretty good. |
| 17:54:34 | Morn | I have a bunch of stuffed pengquins I sleep with |
| 17:55:11 | boodle | likes Opus the best. |
| 17:55:32 | kernelwork | Bill the cat is great |
| 17:55:40 | MicroChip32 | morn: suffed penguins = well fed men in tuxedos? |
| 17:55:42 | boodle | gack! |
| 17:55:53 | MicroChip32 | <G> |
| 17:56:01 | boodle | I still have my stuffed opert |
| 17:56:20 | Morn | xpenguins kind of reminds me of that one one game... |
| 17:57:12 | Morn | what was the name |
| 17:57:26 | Morn | you had to get all these little creatures out |
| 17:57:42 | boodle | qbert mebbe? |
| 17:57:55 | Morn | I played it on the CDTV |
| 17:58:54 | Morn | not gremlins |
| 17:58:56 | Morn | ugh |
| 18:02:58 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Lemmings |
| 18:03:02 | MicroChip32 | drops a pin and hears echos |
| 18:03:33 | CosmicPenguin | They got the xpenguins graphics from Pingus... |
| 18:03:49 | CosmicPenguin | which is a lemmings knockoff... sort of |
| 18:05:36 | Morn | that's it! |
| 18:09:27 | Morn | I loved lemmings on the cdtv |
| 18:09:42 | kernelwork | apt-gets xpenguins... |
| 18:09:54 | boodle | running it now.. cure |
| 18:09:56 | boodle | er cute |
| 18:10:12 | Morn | I put the gnome applet in so I can easily start it |
| 18:10:15 | Morn | kinda neat |
| 18:10:19 | boodle | just mind the flicker on the --all option ;) |
| 18:10:24 | kernelwork | There's a gnome applet for it? |
| 18:10:35 | Morn | yeah on the main web page |
| 18:13:40 | CosmicPenguin | Back about a year ago, I was messing around with X for the first time, and I saw that they needed a gnome applet.... I never sent mine in though... |
| 18:14:38 | kernelwork | Some of the penguins in X penguins splatter when they fall from high windows |
| 18:14:56 | CosmicPenguin | they explode when you close the app too... |
| 18:15:10 | CosmicPenguin | The first thing I did when I started at century was port Xpenguins.... :) |
| 18:15:31 | kernelwork | really? so I could have them running around on the iPAQ? |
| 18:15:37 | CosmicPenguin | Sure.... |
| 18:15:48 | CosmicPenguin | That was the old version though..... The new version is better... |
| 18:15:55 | kernelwork | I see this |
| 18:18:56 | Morn | I'm afraid I just reduced the productivity at Centrury Soft |
| 18:18:59 | CosmicPenguin | Lemme see if I can't get it cranked up again.... |
| 18:19:24 | Morn | when is the next scheduled release of Pixil? |
| 18:19:27 | Morn | for the iPAQ |
| 18:19:42 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: This is good for us...... We wouldn't have XPM support if it wasn't for porting XPenguins |
| 18:19:50 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: 1/23 is the expected web release date... |
| 18:20:03 | Morn | 'k, I'll be waiting |
| 18:20:35 | Morn | I need to learn the api so I can write some of my own apps |
| 18:20:48 | Morn | is it me or is can you really only run one app at a time? |
| 18:21:17 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Nope... its fully multitasking and such.... |
| 18:21:32 | Morn | hmmm, with the grphics apps I can't seem to start more than one |
| 18:22:01 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Complain one more time to the e-mail address on the web site and ask that we release a dev kit.... |
| 18:22:14 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Sometimes the wheels of managment need a little grease... |
| 18:22:21 | CosmicPenguin | Or a crowbar.... |
| 18:22:22 | Morn | I know the feeling |
| 18:22:51 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Hit the home button and try to start another app... doesn't work? |
| 18:23:11 | Morn | let me try again, I did that |
| 18:23:22 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: That's good, my last day will proabably be 1/24 |
| 18:23:42 | Morn | I can start another, but how do I get back to the first? |
| 18:24:01 | Morn | I can get back to home but not the first app |
| 18:24:33 | Morn | and if I close the second I get the home screen and can't get the first app at all |
| 18:26:20 | CosmicPenguin | Hit the icon again |
| 18:26:31 | CosmicPenguin | Its the palm look and feel |
| 18:27:00 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Yeah, I know! I'm buying the beer for the party! :-) |
| 18:27:16 | Morn | oh, I have to go back to the home screen, and hit the icon again and it takes to the app not run a new instance? |
| 18:27:22 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: No seriously, we're going to miss you. Especially me, since I will probably inherit your duties when you leave... |
| 18:27:33 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Thats right.... |
| 18:27:50 | Morn | thats a little clumsy (if you ask me) |
| 18:27:50 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: That bothered me at first too, but you get used to it.... |
| 18:28:04 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Like I said, its a palm knock off.... |
| 18:28:24 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I am thinking of making a little mac finderish icon so you can quickly jump to your running apps |
| 18:28:44 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: Don't be surprised if you see my resume in 2 years. Then again, I won't be surprised if century is gone (or worse, merged) when I get back. |
| 18:29:07 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Thats not a very nice thing to say |
| 18:29:13 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: we're a strong company... |
| 18:29:27 | kernelwork | Well, the merged part is what I would worry more about |
| 18:29:52 | kernelwork | Besides, I don't expect that there are any promises in this industry right now. |
| 18:30:48 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: You're scaring everyone away.... |
| 18:31:24 | kernelwork | from censoft? |
| 18:31:43 | CosmicPenguin | plus, I would hate to think that these 12 hour days are useless.... :) |
| 18:36:51 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Ever heard of coldsync? |
| 18:37:08 | Morn | yeah |
| 18:37:24 | Morn | I use the gpilot stuff with evolution with my palm |
| 18:38:20 | MicroChip32 | is there a good linux port for the palm now? 3x? |
| 18:38:23 | AlHazWork | what's coldsync? |
| 18:38:33 | AlHazWork | I've been using jpilot for a few years now, and it's worked fine |
| 18:38:45 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: uclinux, and it's not as useful as palmos |
| 18:38:45 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: According to freshmeat, its a palm sync app.... |
| 18:38:54 | AlHazWork | and you'd need a IIIxe |
| 18:38:59 | Morn | jpilot isn't bad... but having things integrated with evolution is nice |
| 18:39:07 | AlHazWork | or a III and buy an 8 meg memory card from me |
| 18:39:23 | AlHazWork | Morn: oh, so that's it |
| 18:39:24 | Morn | my Visor doesn't have a flashable rom :-( |
| 18:39:52 | Morn | and my linuxda device is going to drive me to drinking |
| 18:39:53 | AlHazWork | I don't use "Desktop Environment"s, because all the linux ones pale in comparison to what i had running on os/2 in 1997 |
| 18:40:04 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork, 3x w/4m wont do? is memory the only problem? |
| 18:40:24 | Morn | I think linuxda runs on the 3x |
| 18:40:29 | Morn | http://www.linuxda.com |
| 18:40:31 | AlHazWork | so they just make me homesick for warp 4 w/ object desktop |
| 18:40:40 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: Might get away with it on a 3x |
| 18:40:50 | AlHazWork | Morn: linuxda is just uclinux w/ the copyright notices removed |
| 18:40:52 | Morn | AlHazWork: I'm homesick for my AmigaOS enviornment |
| 18:41:04 | Morn | AlHazWork: mostly, but there is more to it. |
| 18:41:05 | MicroChip32 | Morn: that sounds like the one i tried a while back, but it was just a sample thing, no real functionality |
| 18:41:20 | Morn | We've been discussing it the uclinux development list |
| 18:41:28 | AlHazWork | Morn: Probably, but I can't support a company that rips out the copyright notices |
| 18:41:47 | Morn | I didn't realize they did that til after I ordered it |
| 18:41:56 | Morn | I pre-ordered the unit in August |
| 18:42:22 | AlHazWork | yeah, they weren't even mentioning uclinux last time i looked |
| 18:42:38 | AlHazWork | basically they have an app that runs on uclinux, but they don't give any credit for the OS |
| 18:42:47 | MicroChip32 | 1:40 to go before i get booted *sigh* i hate the wait almost as much as the boot *sigh* |
| 18:44:04 | Morn | why do you get booted? |
| 18:44:26 | MicroChip32 | isp has a hard-time-out. 8 hours, in use or not, they kick ya off *mutter* |
| 18:44:44 | MicroChip32 | usually ends up being right before the completion of a long download =( |
| 18:44:46 | Morn | ah, when I built vdot they wanted me to do that, I refused to do it |
| 18:45:02 | Morn | MicroChip32: wget -c is your friend |
| 18:45:37 | MicroChip32 | yea but only if the server on the other end supports restarts |
| 18:45:48 | Morn | for the most part I've not had trouble |
| 18:45:57 | Morn | most modern servers support it |
| 18:46:41 | MicroChip32 | well i dont have much problem any more, i have a little lcd here beside me with varius server stats including how long i have before i get kicked. so i know how long i have before i start a long download ;) |
| 18:47:02 | MicroChip32 | lcd operated by my own kernel driver ;) |
| 18:47:09 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: cool.... :) |
| 18:47:16 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: what type? |
| 18:47:43 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: it is cool, its 4 line x 16 character display from jameco, parallel interface |
| 18:48:25 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: I know the type.... I've got one in a project I'm doing, but it is serial.... |
| 18:48:34 | MicroChip32 | i built the driver to do what i call virtual paging, it supports 16 'pages' internally and displays each used 'page' on the lcd in sequence for about 5 seconds each |
| 18:48:43 | MicroChip32 | so i have different stat sets on each page |
| 18:49:16 | MicroChip32 | time, dialup, server usage, weather, football scores ... |
| 18:49:39 | MicroChip32 | the pages are accessed as normal files via /dev/file |
| 18:54:28 | MicroChip32 | sneezes, blowing out a wall and scattering users like bowling pins |
| 18:54:31 | CosmicPenguin | four out of 5 people agree... a dial tone is useful for calling out |
| 18:54:32 | Morn | can any of the linux video players play an avi file from a url? |
| 18:54:33 | MicroChip32 | bless me |
| 18:54:41 | MicroChip32 | lol cos |
| 18:55:57 | signal11 | morn whats the url? |
| 18:56:02 | signal11 | i can try xine |
| 18:56:07 | Morn | signal11: internal url |
| 18:56:32 | CosmicPenguin | XMMS avi plugin can, can't it? |
| 18:56:40 | Morn | I just thought I might be able to serve avi's up from the server |
| 18:56:46 | Morn | there is an avi plugin for xmms? |
| 18:56:48 | Morn | didn't know that |
| 18:56:59 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: what sort of project are you doing, and how far are you. my driver should be easy to mod for serial use and for different lcd packages. in fact i designed it that way. i hope to evolve it into a generic base module onto which specific modules for different lcd devices can be stacked |
| 18:57:09 | CosmicPenguin | sure.... Don't know how well it works... its based on avifile |
| 18:57:37 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Actually, not only is it serial, but it uses a BIOS port.... its a bit freaky, but it kinda sorta works.... |
| 18:58:04 | MicroChip32 | ohhhh so youre programming the serial raw, rather than using an existing serial driver eh? |
| 18:58:21 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah.... I just gotta pump out bytes.... |
| 18:58:33 | MicroChip32 | hehehe cool, <grin> thats how i did my parallel port driver ;) |
| 18:58:46 | CosmicPenguin | The project was over, but they are thinking about reviving it for CES... they had better hurry up, becuase I really want to take a xmas vacation this year... |
| 18:58:59 | signal11 | if I can get a url, I can test xine |
| 18:59:32 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin can i dcc you some pics? |
| 18:59:38 | CosmicPenguin | Sure |
| 19:00:21 | MicroChip32 | bah, stoopid firewalls, sec |
| 19:00:31 | CosmicPenguin | I just discovered gkrellm yesterday... it rules! |
| 19:01:32 | Morn | sheesh, I can get a 170Meg avi file in less than 7 seconds on the network |
| 19:01:47 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: http://home.mctech.org/pub/lcd.zip |
| 19:03:07 | CosmicPenguin | Not pingable.... |
| 19:03:53 | MicroChip32 | good, not supposed to be ;) |
| 19:04:28 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Also, not accessable... |
| 19:04:31 | CosmicPenguin | I'll try again |
| 19:04:37 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm should be. lemme try |
| 19:04:53 | MicroChip32 | werks for me |
| 19:05:22 | MicroChip32 | kicks the server, there try it now ;) |
| 19:05:42 | MicroChip32 | well someone's getting it (watching his modem lights flicker) |
| 19:10:56 | MicroChip32 | dont ya love my fast connection CosmicPenguin ? <G> |
| 19:11:30 | CosmicPenguin | my DNS doesn't like you apparently... |
| 19:11:54 | MicroChip32 | well someone just grabbed the file |
| 19:11:59 | CosmicPenguin | wasn't I... |
| 19:12:20 | MicroChip32 | ok who is 208.197.5.* ? |
| 19:12:51 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: how are you trying to access the server? |
| 19:13:06 | CosmicPenguin | browser.. |
| 19:13:27 | MicroChip32 | how are you entering the url? |
| 19:14:02 | CosmicPenguin | http://home.mctech.org |
| 19:14:10 | CosmicPenguin | Should I FTP? |
| 19:14:26 | MicroChip32 | no, what msg are you getting from the url? |
| 19:14:30 | CosmicPenguin | No such host |
| 19:14:52 | MicroChip32 | *raises eyebrows* put the / on the end |
| 19:16:49 | CosmicPenguin | Nope.... whois sees you, but I can't get a IP |
| 19:16:53 | MicroChip32 | put the whole url in, including the file name, there's no index file for that domain and dir listings are disabled |
| 19:17:17 | MicroChip32 | no ip? hmmmm wierd |
| 19:17:18 | CosmicPenguin | But it should tell me that.... I'm getting a no such host message |
| 19:17:25 | MicroChip32 | true |
| 19:17:55 | MicroChip32 | try a traceroute? hmmm no cant do that w/o an ip. and an ip wont do you any good cuz the server isnt accessable by ip |
| 19:18:10 | MicroChip32 | its virtual server'd |
| 19:18:21 | CosmicPenguin | Somebody is standing in the way, thats for damn sure... :) |
| 19:18:38 | MicroChip32 | see if you can resolve www.mctech.org/ |
| 19:18:53 | MicroChip32 | same server/ip, different directory set |
| 19:19:22 | CosmicPenguin | Nope |
| 19:19:29 | MicroChip32 | where are you? |
| 19:19:52 | CosmicPenguin | Utah |
| 19:20:18 | MicroChip32 | hmmmmmmmm interesting |
| 19:20:29 | MicroChip32 | anyone else alive here that can try accessing those urls? |
| 19:20:43 | MicroChip32 | well obviously it worked for someone, someone grabed the file |
| 19:20:45 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: I thougt you were just on the other side of the office |
| 19:21:02 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: belive it or not, we are in Utah right now... |
| 19:21:26 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: can you try accessing that original url, the zip file |
| 19:21:30 | Morn | checking for r00taxx in -lr00t... no |
| 19:21:32 | Morn | what is that? |
| 19:26:03 | Niddix | I get this is a blank index.html file from http://home.mctech.org |
| 19:26:20 | Niddix | (pardon me if the conv in my buffer is several hours old ;) |
| 19:26:24 | MicroChip32 | Niddix: for the base url thats all there is |
| 19:26:40 | MicroChip32 | try the zip file url a few lines before that |
| 19:26:46 | Niddix | Yeah.. I was just informing that the url is working for me. |
| 19:27:10 | Niddix | Yep.. working fine. |
| 19:27:13 | MicroChip32 | well, at least its not me thats the problem. guess CosmicPenguin needs to kick his dns server |
| 19:27:35 | Niddix | Funny.. I usually have DNS problems.. |
| 19:27:54 | Niddix | Why does it take so stinking long to format a CD-RW......... |
| 19:28:30 | Morn | there is a quick format function |
| 19:28:38 | Niddix | crap.. I just cut my tie.... |
| 19:28:41 | CosmicPenguin | Argh... |
| 19:28:48 | MicroChip32 | well considering this domain is on a dialup with dynamic dns i think it does very good. i set the dns server ttl is 1 minute so it shouldnt be a matter of a stale dns entry |
| 19:28:56 | MicroChip32 | lol Niddix not good |
| 19:29:01 | Morn | tie? yikes... don't those things like cut off circulation to your brain? |
| 19:29:10 | MicroChip32 | Morn: yea they do |
| 19:29:11 | Morn | hence the cluelessness of executives... |
| 19:29:16 | MicroChip32 | ype exactly |
| 19:29:16 | Niddix | Yeah they do.. but I don't use it anyway. |
| 19:29:30 | MicroChip32 | Niddix: your head, or the tie? |
| 19:29:44 | Morn | roflmao |
| 19:29:52 | Niddix | MicroChip32: My brain.. I'm a network admin.. my job is scripted. |
| 19:30:01 | MicroChip32 | hehehehehe |
| 19:30:41 | Niddix | MicroChip32: All I do is look at log files to make sure the scripts are working.. I might actually do something once a week. Then I take my tie off ;) |
| 19:31:03 | MicroChip32 | wonders why ppl pay net admins then |
| 19:31:08 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 19:31:24 | MicroChip32 | should talk, used to be one |
| 19:31:43 | Niddix | MicroChip32: Sometimes I wonder myself. |
| 19:32:57 | MicroChip32 | well on the other side of the coin, what would business do without them |
| 19:33:32 | Niddix | MicroChip32: Depends.. some of the admins I've worked with.. they'd be better off without. |
| 19:33:38 | MicroChip32 | is still wondering who is was that did manage to grab my zip file |
| 19:33:55 | MicroChip32 | hehehe ive worked with a couple of those *grumbling* |
| 19:34:35 | CosmicPenguin | Hey signal11: I think our DNS is sick... |
| 19:34:42 | MicroChip32 | aparently someone from ohio from what i can discern from my log |
| 19:35:11 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: I just tried another URL with little success.... It seems that I can only get cached IPs |
| 19:35:33 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: ut oh, time to kick YOUR network admin ;) |
| 19:35:43 | CosmicPenguin | That would be signal11.... |
| 19:35:49 | MicroChip32 | hehehe |
| 19:36:22 | MicroChip32 | sheeesh what 4 or 5 of you guys in here |
| 19:37:02 | CosmicPenguin | 4 right now... |
| 19:37:16 | CosmicPenguin | Lineo usually chances up with us when BZFlag shows up... |
| 19:38:04 | AlHazWork | right now it's just me from lineo, right? |
| 19:38:11 | AlHazWork | and andersee unfortunately isn't with lineo anymore |
| 19:38:41 | signal11 | i thought lineo closed up shop |
| 19:39:02 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: well instead of the graphics, join #mctech briefly and i'll paste examples of what some of my 'pages' look like |
| 19:39:04 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Thats not the first time that Pud was wrong.... |
| 19:39:15 | signal11 | ah, pud was mistaken |
| 19:39:41 | CosmicPenguin | Apparently, they sold their Caldera stock, and FC said that they closed.... |
| 19:40:01 | signal11 | pud isn't in a habit of posting corrections, is he |
| 19:40:14 | AlHazWork | signal11: We've not laid anyone off in at least a few months . . . |
| 19:40:41 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Word is we've been dumping our caldera stock as quickly as SEC regs allow, which is perfectly sound business sense considering caldera's stock value |
| 19:40:42 | signal11 | that's good |
| 19:41:05 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - Maybe you can get enough cash to go out to luch or something... :) |
| 19:41:28 | AlHazWork | the last comment i saw on that thread was that we've been dumping a little each month, as regs allow, and we've made 6 figures doing it |
| 19:41:41 | AlHazWork | we didn't *buy* caldera stock, remember |
| 19:41:51 | AlHazWork | we used to be part of caldera, so it was technically free |
| 19:41:58 | CosmicPenguin | Yep... even $1.00 - $0.00 is a profit... |
| 19:42:01 | AlHazWork | so any money we make by getting rid of it is gravy |
| 19:42:49 | AlHazWork | it had some funnymoney value attached to it when we split off from caldera, but that's just paperwork, not actual money |
| 19:43:45 | CosmicPenguin | Is the back like a NBA ticket ("Bring this stock certificate in for a free SCO licence") |
| 19:43:58 | AlHazWork | our execs tell us we're in better financial shape now than at any previous time this year - prolly 'cause our operating costs are a lot lower now |
| 19:44:10 | CosmicPenguin | Valid only in Lindon and Pleasant Grove... |
| 19:44:11 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 19:45:02 | Morn | some Russians were trying to sell weapons grade urananium |
| 19:45:04 | Morn | 2 lbs of it |
| 19:45:16 | CosmicPenguin | CNN? |
| 19:45:20 | Morn | AP |
| 19:45:27 | Morn | the article is on yahoo |
| 19:47:27 | CosmicPenguin | Tora Bora... That sounds made up..... |
| 19:47:56 | Morn | Caldera... I did some beta testing for them, got very angry about the whole deal |
| 19:48:57 | AlHazWork | Morn: Caldera is an exercise in wasted potential |
| 19:49:18 | CosmicPenguin | But their CEO has the coolest name in all of computing.... |
| 19:49:20 | signal11 | what exactly is weapons grade uranium? |
| 19:49:27 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Too bad he's a dipshit |
| 19:49:31 | Morn | I just felt that I was beating my head against the wall with the beta testing |
| 19:49:39 | signal11 | is that like for some kind of nuclear explosion? |
| 19:49:42 | AlHazWork | I bet if the guys had uranium, it was reactor grade |
| 19:49:42 | Morn | I wondered if they were even reading my emails. |
| 19:49:52 | AlHazWork | Morn: they weren't |
| 19:50:18 | signal11 | don't they have a type of uranium to use for tank-piercing? |
| 19:50:23 | AlHazWork | Morn: The deal is, the Caldera Linux distribution comes out of the Erlangen office, in germany |
| 19:50:32 | signal11 | like super-heavy |
| 19:50:47 | AlHazWork | signal11: yeah, depleted uranium, not very radioactive, heavier than lead, used in projectiles a lot |
| 19:50:50 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Yeah, jeffm has one on his desk.... depleted uranium |
| 19:51:05 | AlHazWork | Morn: and the Erlangen office has a NIH attitude |
| 19:51:20 | Morn | did I mention I was in the evac zone when TMI happened? |
| 19:51:21 | AlHazWork | Morn: Any idea that's Not Invented Here, is bullshit |
| 19:51:47 | Morn | AlHazWork: that's sad... |
| 19:51:56 | AlHazWork | Morn: A lot of the people at lineo are ex-caldera, said that they'd find a bug, submit a patch, and never hear about it again |
| 19:52:06 | AlHazWork | and then the next version would ship with the same bug |
| 19:52:10 | AlHazWork | so they'd submit a new patch, etc |
| 19:52:14 | AlHazWork | and it would never, ever get fixed |
| 19:52:26 | Morn | I did a lot of testing for them, and submited a lot of reports and got ignored. |
| 19:52:27 | signal11 | cosmicpenguin yeah he told me about it; why did they deplete the uranium, is it actually dangerous to handle? |
| 19:52:32 | Morn | I turned my back and never looked back. |
| 19:52:58 | AlHazWork | signal11: depleted uranium isn't more dangerous to handle than lead, prolly |
| 19:53:09 | signal11 | i imagine it's quite expensive |
| 19:53:12 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Its radioactive..... But how dangerous that is I don't know... I think it has to be concentrated |
| 19:53:26 | AlHazWork | lead is radioactive, too |
| 19:54:15 | AlHazWork | http://www.psr.org/Nuclear_Security/DU/du_vweb8.htm |
| 19:54:32 | AlHazWork | signal11: it's a waste product |
| 19:54:40 | signal11 | is there like a uranium core in the center of the earth, or is it just iron & nickel? wouldn't the heavier elements go toward the center |
| 19:54:45 | signal11 | chemistry 101 today |
| 19:55:07 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I'll bet you can't get anyone to agree exactly whats down there.... |
| 19:55:38 | signal11 | we would all agree that there is "stuff" down there |
| 19:56:00 | AlHazWork | signal11: The worry with depleted uranium is the concern that it may aerosolize on impact and people might enhale the dust |
| 19:56:01 | signal11 | sorry, that was a content-free post |
| 19:56:04 | CosmicPenguin | "There's no way to escape the lair of the Moleman!" |
| 19:56:54 | AlHazWork | signal11: A friend of mine used to freelance as an EPA inspector, got full hazmat training. He says you'd have to enhale an awful lot of DU dust - enough that just the particulate would make you ill even if it weren't radioactive - for the radiation to really make a difference |
| 19:57:11 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: "oh, except that" |
| 19:57:19 | AlHazWork | or did hans say something else? I forget |
| 19:57:27 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: No, thats it... |
| 19:57:33 | AlHazWork | ah, good |
| 19:57:48 | AlHazWork | "Eagh! Morlocks! Chuds! Molemen!" |
| 19:58:09 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: It doesn't work unless you can imitate the Moleman voice exactly.... |
| 20:02:02 | Morn | If you don't ask the question you can't get the answer... |
| 20:02:04 | Morn | I like that |
| 20:02:47 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 20:02:51 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Unless of course knowing the answer precludes knowing the question.... |
| 20:03:23 | Morn | questions everything. |
| 20:03:42 | Morn | I read a book on fuzzy logic philospy and it changed my life (am I a geek or what?) |
| 20:03:44 | MicroChip32 | too |
| 20:04:04 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Actually not.... Geeks and fuzzy logic don't get along too well..... |
| 20:04:15 | MicroChip32 | lol. sounds like something i'd do. but how'd it change your life? |
| 20:04:32 | Morn | it ruined my faith in math and science... I questioned everything I knew |
| 20:04:44 | MicroChip32 | fuzzy logic is logic thats so old that its growing moss right ? |
| 20:04:44 | Morn | I realized how restrictive binary logic is |
| 20:05:12 | MicroChip32 | Morn: next step is quantum computing ;) |
| 20:05:36 | Morn | I was able to prove the liar paradox with fuzzy logic |
| 20:05:48 | Morn | it came to me in the shower the second day I was reading the book |
| 20:06:03 | MicroChip32 | isnt gonna touch that comment |
| 20:06:06 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 20:06:32 | signal11 | the most profound thoughts always occur in the shower or on the throne |
| 20:06:52 | Morn | I'd like to get Bart Kosko's email address and let him know how profound an affect he had on my life |
| 20:06:53 | MicroChip32 | actually for me its usually 3am when i want anything but to get out of bed |
| 20:07:15 | Morn | you go to bed before 3am? |
| 20:07:18 | Morn | whimp! |
| 20:07:44 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe yep, early to bed early to rise, i get UP between 3 and 4 am regularly |
| 20:08:01 | Morn | I go to bed around 3am and get around 7am |
| 20:08:22 | MicroChip32 | s//up/ |
| 20:09:01 | Morn | sometimes I forget to go to bed... |
| 20:09:55 | MicroChip32 | ive only done that a couple times. usually my brain will just shut down and leave me wondering what this glowing thing in front of me is |
| 20:10:24 | Morn | I used to program for days... after 80 hours of straight coding you get a little funny in the head |
| 20:10:29 | Morn | you start babling in C |
| 20:10:56 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe it takes you that long to get to that point? heheh thats normal operation for me, cept its perl not c for me |
| 20:10:56 | Morn | hey, I found an email for Bart, wonder if it still works... |
| 20:11:07 | Morn | fires off an email. |
| 20:11:16 | MicroChip32 | ive only been doing c for about 3 weeks now |
| 20:14:14 | | 631 |
| 20:14:14 | BZFlag | ibot 12 * 9 * 6 - 17 |
| 20:17:33 | MicroChip32 | nuts, theyre gonna be gone before i can afford my own =( |
| 20:17:59 | CosmicPenguin | I'm waiting for one to show up at a trade show..... :) |
| 20:18:02 | Morn | wants a second one. |
| 20:19:34 | Morn | is there an easy way in vim to delete all the ^M's in a file? |
| 20:20:00 | spse | :1,$s/^V^M//g |
| 20:20:13 | spse | ^V^M = ctrl-v ctrl-m |
| 20:20:17 | CosmicPenguin | Ftp it to yourself.... |
| 20:20:27 | MicroChip32 | delete the file ;) |
| 20:20:46 | Morn | I should just compile the dos2unix utils for solaris |
| 20:20:49 | CosmicPenguin | I used to have a crlf translater utility on my system, guess I blew it away.... |
| 20:21:06 | spse | man tr |
| 20:21:28 | MicroChip32 | i have a perl script to translate the crlf to \n |
| 20:21:57 | Morn | spse: thanks that worked |
| 20:22:20 | Morn | I use vim every day, but I still only know a pitful amount about some of it |
| 20:22:23 | MicroChip32 | man tr |
| 20:22:28 | MicroChip32 | bah |
| 20:24:22 | uChip | stoopid isp |
| 20:24:30 | CosmicPenguin | Its bootn time already? |
| 20:24:53 | uChip | yep isp just booted me, God bless redial ;) |
| 20:30:44 | BZFlag | if there are always ^Ms then ":set notextmode" will convert it. |
| 20:32:24 | Morn | Tim: it was only this one file, a php script I got |
| 20:39:40 | signal11 | perl -pi -e 's/\r//g' file1 [file2 file3 ...] |
| 20:39:53 | spse | tr -d '\r' < file1 >file2 ;) |
| 20:40:08 | signal11 | nice |
| 20:40:36 | signal11 | what would happen if you did tr -d '\r' < file1 >file1 |
| 20:40:51 | spse | it deletes \r (^M) |
| 20:41:02 | spse | sorry, misread the question |
| 20:41:33 | spse | zaps the file on linux |
| 20:47:35 | Morn | oh, why does http://www.server.com/dir/ work but http://www.server.com/dir causes a 301 redirect which fails because the servername is internal not public |
| 20:49:04 | BZFlag | Morn: cause http://www.server.com/dir is not a valid URL so the server sends a redirect to http://ServerName/dir/ |
| 20:50:42 | Morn | it should redirect to the same hostname though |
| 20:50:54 | Morn | this causes a great deal of grief for virtual servers |
| 20:51:06 | BZFlag | it may not know the hostname at that point. |
| 20:51:24 | Morn | it should |
| 20:51:30 | Morn | the headers would have it |
| 20:51:48 | MicroChip32 | Morn: not all virtual servers pay attention to the host: header |
| 20:51:57 | MicroChip32 | at least not for the redirects |
| 20:52:46 | BZFlag | hmm.. works for my virtual hosts. each one gets a redirect to the correct virtual host. |
| 20:53:19 | Morn | BZFlag: this is an apache 2.0.28 server (just testing) |
| 20:53:49 | Morn | and these re-directs are driving me nuts :-) |
| 20:53:56 | BZFlag | running and old apache 1.33 here. |
| 20:54:41 | BZFlag | NameVirtualHost 192.168.250.1 |
| 20:54:49 | BZFlag | <VirtualHost 192.168.250.1> |
| 20:54:49 | BZFlag | ServerName rikers.org |
| 20:54:49 | MicroChip32 | friggin spammers *muttering* |
| 20:54:52 | BZFlag | and so on. |
| 20:54:54 | jacques | hi guys |
| 20:54:56 | Morn | it seems that in the HTTP_SERVER_VARS it isn't setting the SERVER_NAME proper either |
| 20:55:10 | Morn | it should be the virtual ServerName not the main one |
| 20:55:33 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: night all [Thu Dec 6 03:09:11 2001] |
| 20:55:33 | jacques | ibot: seen andersee |
| 20:56:16 | BZFlag | WorksForMe (tm) |
| 20:56:29 | BZFlag | to PO then to work... |
| 20:57:31 | jacques | well X is much more stable on the more recent kernel and uClibc |
| 20:57:46 | Morn | it seems to work on a 1.3.x server but 2.0.x works different |
| 20:58:03 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: sweet... |
| 20:59:13 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: did you get signal11 slapped up about the dns ? |
| 20:59:15 | GoRK | re: the fuzzy logic discussion, i think you can discount it a bit when you realize that it helps things like ELECTRIC RAZORS figure out the BEST WAY TO RIP YOU TO SHREADS |
| 20:59:28 | MicroChip32 | GoRK: lolololol |
| 20:59:39 | Morn | GoRK: oh my |
| 20:59:46 | Morn | I enjoy fuzzy logic |
| 20:59:58 | MicroChip32 | i knew there was a reason i only shave once a month |
| 21:00:03 | GoRK | I enjoy my new preemptive kernel |
| 21:00:41 | Morn | you guys have no idea how lucky you are to not have to shave your legs |
| 21:00:54 | CosmicPenguin | Who says I don't? |
| 21:01:04 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe but who said YOU had to Morn? |
| 21:01:18 | Morn | I think people would be major grossed out if I didn't |
| 21:01:22 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 21:01:24 | GoRK | i knew a girl once who didnt shave her legs.. come to think of it i new two |
| 21:01:26 | CosmicPenguin | Penguins don't even grow hair, IIIRC |
| 21:01:34 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: I have been running xscreensaver remotely for almost 15 hours now :-D |
| 21:01:55 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: Thats wicked cool..... |
| 21:02:13 | GoRK | jacques: yes but which one |
| 21:02:21 | jacques | GoRK: which what? |
| 21:02:31 | GoRK | what screensaver |
| 21:03:36 | jacques | GoRK: oh a whole bunch of them - rotating every minute |
| 21:03:42 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: on your dotpal stuff, which file is what? |
| 21:03:59 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Give me an example... |
| 21:04:10 | CosmicPenguin | XMatrix would be coolest, IMHO... |
| 21:04:41 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: you have dpald.c dpallib.c and dpplay.c , which one is the one[s] i wanna look at for usb examples? |
| 21:05:13 | CosmicPenguin | Shoot..... give me 20 seconds, and I'll stick up the new release.... |
| 21:05:17 | GoRK | MicroChip32: you were looking at the VoIP blaster, right? |
| 21:05:45 | MicroChip32 | GoRK: yep, still stuck on figuring out usb, forget the blaster part |
| 21:06:09 | MicroChip32 | altho i do have it detecting, identifying, and claiming the blaster device |
| 21:06:31 | MicroChip32 | but the usb urbs are giving me fits |
| 21:07:39 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: you tell me about a new release NOW, after i just finished printing out the old one |
| 21:07:41 | MicroChip32 | sheeesh |
| 21:08:09 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: I've had this sitting around for a few days.... nothing novel, it just |
| 21:08:23 | CosmicPenguin | builds the module outside of the kernel tree, so you can look at a real .c file, and not some patch |
| 21:08:49 | MicroChip32 | ahh |
| 21:09:08 | ctr | hey people |
| 21:10:28 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: xmatrix does look pretty cool on the tux |
| 21:10:41 | CosmicPenguin | Probably even more realistic... |
| 21:11:46 | jacques | the blurring effect of the passive display has interesting effects on some of them |
| 21:12:09 | ctr | jacques: cool |
| 21:12:16 | ctr | i have yet to do some cool stuff with my tux |
| 21:12:22 | ctr | i bought it at the wrong moment |
| 21:12:35 | ctr | just before i realised i had a fuck ton of work to do at uni |
| 21:13:11 | ctr | with a bit of luck and a fair wind i should have some bindings for microwindows for CosmicPenguin done at somepoint |
| 21:13:36 | Morn | Ok, it works now, weird... |
| 21:13:37 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: That would be really helpful |
| 21:14:03 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: i restructured the build system of ferite which should make cross compilation alot more easy |
| 21:14:26 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: it'll meant cool apps that wont need compiling with a bit of luck :) |
| 21:15:21 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Its out there...version 0.2 |
| 21:16:01 | CosmicPenguin | The funny thing is, a few folks have downoaded it, but I have only heard back from Max OS X guys... |
| 21:16:06 | MicroChip32 | WTH!!!! http://www.mslinux.org/ |
| 21:16:37 | CosmicPenguin | Its a satire.... |
| 21:16:37 | GoRK | haha youve never seen that before? |
| 21:16:59 | MicroChip32 | cos/gork, yea i figured it was satire ;) but no, never seen it b4 |
| 21:17:18 | GoRK | oh yeah, i finally got perl working 100% on the tux against uclibc. takes 1mb of flash, compressed |
| 21:17:24 | MicroChip32 | i have seen the monkey story b4 tho |
| 21:18:22 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: now if i can remember how to get it |
| 21:18:26 | jacques | I have X working except for the damn touchscreen :-9 |
| 21:18:27 | AlHazWork | yeah, but www.redmondlinux.org is real |
| 21:18:49 | GoRK | jacques: i will write a driver if you send me the code :) |
| 21:18:50 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: I guess I'll have to attack that on MW as well.... |
| 21:18:58 | CosmicPenguin | *grumble* |
| 21:19:11 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: cosmic.linuxhost.cc |
| 21:19:39 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: thanks, id written it down somewhere ... but thats the key ... somewhere <G> |
| 21:20:01 | jacques | GoRK: great :-) |
| 21:23:08 | Morn | You know it frightens me about a company when they don't post the cost of the software on the web site |
| 21:23:16 | Morn | you have to email sales to get a quote |
| 21:23:26 | Morn | and there is no price on the CenSoft.com site for Pixil |
| 21:23:26 | AlHazWork | if you have to ask, you can't afford it |
| 21:23:32 | AlHazWork | just like buying a ferrari |
| 21:23:37 | AlHazWork | :) |
| 21:23:45 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Its not a shrink wrap type item..... |
| 21:24:12 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Or at least, its not suppost to be. I would expect it to be dirt cheap if it was though.... |
| 21:24:32 | CosmicPenguin | How quickly would Compaq / MS shut us down if we sold Ipaq OS replacmentson the open market? |
| 21:24:58 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: do you guys have any decent terminal emulator stuff for linux ? as/400 or rs/6000 type stuff? |
| 21:24:58 | jacques | AlHazWork: heh |
| 21:25:00 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: about as long as it took them to call their lawyers |
| 21:25:24 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Yep... And those are shrink wrapped products... |
| 21:25:52 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I would pay for Pixil if it wasn't TOO expensive |
| 21:26:14 | ctr | whats pixil? |
| 21:26:17 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: that run *in* linux i mean |
| 21:26:30 | CosmicPenguin | GOrk: http://te.censoft.com/products/term_unix_linux.html |
| 21:26:45 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Pixil is our Microwindows based operating environment (http://embedded.censoft.com) |
| 21:27:12 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: how complete is it? |
| 21:27:22 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Whats your outsider view? |
| 21:28:12 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: cool i will definately check that out. i had to write my own access software for a customer but it really sucks. i'd rather give them a solution with something more robust |
| 21:28:16 | Morn | Of Pixil? I like it, but not being able to easily change apps is annoying |
| 21:28:31 | Morn | I need to look at the API closer before I comment on that |
| 21:28:37 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah... sync and update are the two most glaring holes.... |
| 21:28:46 | Morn | I need to find out how hard it will be to add programs |
| 21:28:53 | CosmicPenguin | And we're missing games.... |
| 21:29:00 | CosmicPenguin | but I've been writing tons lately.... |
| 21:29:03 | Morn | I noticed that almost everything is grayed out in the sync/update application for windows |
| 21:29:18 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Thats coming in V1.2 in January.... |
| 21:30:19 | Morn | I still haven't gotten the mtd kernel modules working so I haven't tried updating my kernel in pixil yet |
| 21:30:21 | Morn | but I will |
| 21:30:47 | ctr | hmm |
| 21:30:57 | Morn | brb |
| 21:31:47 | ctr | looks like pocket pc/palm hybrid |
| 21:32:02 | Morn | back |
| 21:32:10 | MicroChip32 | front |
| 21:32:15 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Yeah..... There's really not a whole lot of area for sweeping user interface innovations on a handheld |
| 21:32:27 | Morn | I just need to extract the jffs files from pixil so I can modify them and create a new image |
| 21:33:12 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: played with quatrz from symbian? |
| 21:34:03 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Yep.... |
| 21:34:33 | ctr | i really like it |
| 21:34:41 | ctr | althoughaving said that |
| 21:34:52 | ctr | i am a sucker for psion/symbian stuff |
| 21:35:03 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Its a bit slow, but the artwork is nice.... It is well adpated to the shape of the screen, especially on the Nokia |
| 21:35:12 | ctr | yup |
| 21:35:16 | ctr | i like epoc :) |
| 21:35:21 | ctr | i have a psion5 |
| 21:35:29 | ctr | awesome ui |
| 21:38:20 | MicroChip32 | *waits patiently for printer to eat a couple trees* .... |
| 21:39:09 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: My coding style doesn't lend itself well to printing |
| 21:39:11 | ctr | wh00p |
| 21:39:18 | ctr | superman just caught the helicopter |
| 21:39:21 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: i noticed that ;) |
| 21:39:58 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: id have you grab my lcd driver package to look at some of my code, but i assume your dns is still screwed up |
| 21:40:43 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: for the moment yes.... |
| 21:40:44 | ctr | http://cvs.ferite.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ferite/ferite/src/ click on the bversion numbers to see my code |
| 21:41:43 | Morn | mtdpart.c: In function `add_mtd_partitions_Rsmp_39965e1f': |
| 21:41:43 | Morn | mtdpart.c:198: structure has no member named `read_user_prot_reg' |
| 21:41:59 | Morn | I hate these mtd modules! |
| 21:42:03 | ctr | heh |
| 21:42:35 | ctr | i love this film |
| 22:05:03 | AeroSpace | in buildroot-tux the Config.h failed the patch in the build process. Looks like #define BB_TIME was added. |
| 22:20:36 | Morn | ./devices/mtdram.o: unresolved symbol _mmx_memcpy |
| 22:20:58 | CosmicPenguin | Hehehe..... MMX strikes again... or something |
| 22:21:39 | Morn | /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386/mmx.h:extern void *_mmx_memcpy(void *to, const void *from, size_t size); |
| 22:22:34 | Morn | /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib/mmx.c:void *_mmx_memcpy(void *to, const void *from, size_t len) |
| 22:24:03 | Morn | shoots herself. |
| 22:26:28 | MicroChip32 | attempts mouth-to-mouth |
| 22:26:51 | Morn | too late |
| 22:27:19 | MicroChip32 | <grin> depends on what you thought the purpose was ;) |
| 22:27:24 | MicroChip32 | ducks |
| 22:28:27 | Morn | you may not think that way if you met me... |
| 22:28:31 | Morn | I'm a fat geeky girl |
| 22:28:47 | MicroChip32 | is laughing |
| 22:28:53 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm geeky works ;) |
| 22:29:03 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Arn't we all..... (except for the girl part..) |
| 22:29:08 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 22:29:36 | CosmicPenguin | Wait a second...... |
| 22:29:48 | CosmicPenguin | No, no... I was right the first time... except for the girl part... :-) |
| 22:32:39 | jacques | jeez I go to lunch and things degenerate |
| 22:32:57 | Morn | hahahaha |
| 22:35:10 | AeroSpace | I'm missing something. I just built the buildroot-tux, but `Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.` Looks like busybox didn't build. Building now. |
| 22:35:33 | Russ | or uclibc |
| 22:35:41 | AeroSpace | wonders how long it will snow. |
| 22:35:46 | jacques | or the ramdisk flash |
| 22:36:12 | MicroChip32 | wonders WHEN it will snow here |
| 22:36:25 | MicroChip32 | crap we have crocuses which have decided its spring |
| 22:36:25 | Morn | I thought it would have snowed here by now, but it is coming soon |
| 22:36:35 | MicroChip32 | where are you Morn ? |
| 22:36:39 | Morn | Conneticut |
| 22:36:44 | AeroSpace | I know busybox didn't build. I'll have to wait and find out about the other two. |
| 22:36:45 | Morn | I just moved from Manhattan to here |
| 22:37:03 | MicroChip32 | forecast sounds like you might get some white next week late |
| 22:37:57 | AeroSpace | The forecast didn't say anthing about snow here, I looked. And that was after it was snowing. |
| 22:37:57 | Morn | nothing like moving the THE city to a small mountian with 3 houses on it |
| 22:40:22 | Morn | Considering I grew up in a town with 1200 people in it I guess I was out of place in NYC |
| 22:41:06 | MicroChip32 | Morn: you grew up in the big city then, my local town here (5 miles away) is pop 800 ppl |
| 22:41:09 | MicroChip32 | bbiab, fooooooooood |
| 22:41:27 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I grew up in a similar town.... Salt Lake City is the biggest city I have ever lived in |
| 22:41:38 | MicroChip32 | a half mile up the road is long distance phone call |
| 22:41:46 | Morn | I grew up in PA Dutch Country |
| 22:41:50 | Morn | with the Amish |
| 22:42:44 | signal11 | there were a lot of amish close to where I grew up in OH |
| 22:43:03 | Morn | Lebanon/Lancaster is the heart of Amish country |
| 22:43:15 | Morn | I grew up in Eastern Lebanon County |
| 22:43:36 | Morn | I actually was able to order Lebanon bologna over the internet |
| 22:43:39 | Morn | brought back memories |
| 22:43:56 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Amish in OH? I had no idea.... |
| 22:44:09 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, for us western types, everything east of the mississippi is one big state.... |
| 22:44:37 | Morn | I found that out from my roommate (she was born in CA and then moved to SLC to be a Mormon) |
| 22:46:46 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: The opposite works too.... I'll bet a good chunk of easterners can't unscrable the difference between Montana, idaho, wyoming, colorado and utah |
| 22:47:12 | Morn | I've been to SLC a few times, it is nice |
| 22:47:22 | Morn | except for the Mormons (just kidding) |
| 22:47:37 | signal11 | cosmicpenguin you're not kidding, I didn't know the difference. i didn't know what a mormon was before I moved out here |
| 22:48:14 | Morn | I just spent 2 weeks in Portland, OR in October |
| 22:48:19 | Morn | it was nice there too |
| 22:48:33 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: That makes me feel more comfortable.... If its hard for americans to figure out, then terrorists have no chance of finding SLC before the olympics |
| 22:48:39 | Morn | Actually the one time I was in SLC I went bungie jumping |
| 22:48:53 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: At the fun dome? |
| 22:49:05 | Morn | It was a large outside place... |
| 22:49:06 | kernelwork | I got frozen out of my car at the fun dome... |
| 22:49:10 | Morn | with a tower |
| 22:49:20 | kernelwork | Fundome has a tower |
| 22:49:21 | Morn | it was like '95 when I did that |
| 22:49:45 | kernelwork | High pressure water + cold = door no open... |
| 22:50:00 | Morn | when I had the money to just be flying around the country visiting people |
| 22:54:42 | Morn | 3 root 19 0 0 0 0 RW 15.7 0.0 5269m kapm-idled |
| 22:54:52 | Morn | why in the heck is that process using so much cpu time? |
| 22:57:30 | prh | is away: zzZZZzzzzz |
| 22:58:42 | CosmicPenguin | because it's idle? |
| 22:59:08 | AeroSpace | Morn: That is supposed to be what 'runs' when the system is idle and not use power. |
| 22:59:48 | Morn | it's a server |
| 22:59:48 | AeroSpace | 3 root 16 0 0 0 0 0 RW 32.4 0.0 2798m kapm-idled |
| 22:59:51 | Morn | a busy server |
| 23:00:42 | AeroSpace | Morn: Apparently it isn't at 100% cpu usage, or at least things are blocking on IO. What's the load? |
| 23:01:08 | Morn | 3:02pm up 8 days, 8:51, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.26, 0.30 |
| 23:01:30 | Morn | most of the usage is web/email/ftp |
| 23:01:58 | Morn | 550 users can generate a fair amount of email traffic |
| 23:03:20 | GoRK | so can 15,000. ugh |
| 23:03:27 | AeroSpace | What I find interesting is it counts the time against its process, but not the load. Or you would be above 0. |
| 23:03:58 | Morn | GoRK: well my server is a personal server |
| 23:04:52 | GoRK | yes i was just referring to a problem i was having wrestling a monster mailserver :) |
| 23:05:20 | Morn | GoRK: sounds like the ones I had at NSI |
| 23:05:29 | Morn | and they insisted on using NT for mail servers |
| 23:05:33 | Morn | I never got that |
| 23:07:38 | signal11 | lame |
| 23:07:59 | Morn | I guess because the package they used was easier to admin than sendmail |
| 23:08:04 | Morn | but I love sendmail |
| 23:08:21 | signal11 | i knew a guy at a smaller company whose entire job was care and feeding of an Exchange server. |
| 23:08:31 | Morn | that is a job |
| 23:08:34 | signal11 | what a nightmare that would be |
| 23:08:48 | Morn | backing up an exchange server is a nightmare |
| 23:08:49 | kernelwork | Get 100 or more users and you probably would need an exchange cluster :) |
| 23:09:09 | signal11 | i guess they had an option to store the messages in SQL Server, and he had to rebuilt the database from backup regularly... |
| 23:09:11 | Morn | I'd like to exchange the software (for something that works!) |
| 23:11:50 | Morn | I just realized why my home dir grew in usage on the solaris machine, it has 3gig of AVI files in it |
| 23:12:03 | AlHazWork | my favorite part about Exchange is this new version that can be configured to detect dingy plain text emails and spruce them up with multipart mime html |
| 23:12:19 | MicroChip32 | me is back ( but i prefer front ) |
| 23:12:26 | Morn | how was dinner? |
| 23:13:02 | MicroChip32 | supper (grumbling about wierd people) was good, ham sandwiches and trimmings |
| 23:13:22 | Morn | what is wrong with dinner? |
| 23:13:24 | kernelwork | AlHazWork: So those of us with pine who like to get regular text have to suffer nomatter what |
| 23:13:26 | MicroChip32 | cept i got a phone call in the middle *grumgle* |
| 23:13:32 | MicroChip32 | dinner is noon meal =) |
| 23:13:37 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: Yup |
| 23:13:41 | Morn | lunch is the noon meal! |
| 23:13:51 | MicroChip32 | dinner = lunch = noon |
| 23:14:07 | Morn | kernelwork: I had to configure w3c so I could read html messages in mutt |
| 23:14:11 | AlHazWork | supper's been obsolete since biblical times |
| 23:14:21 | AlHazWork | there's even a painting of the last supper |
| 23:14:38 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Except in Utah of course.... |
| 23:14:40 | MicroChip32 | actually i prefer to use breakfast-lunch-supper and avoid using 'dinner' completely to avoid any confusion |
| 23:14:50 | BZFlag | RussGWC: GWC? I've found flash programming hardware for my current project so I'm not going to be hacking the jtag at present |
| 23:14:56 | Morn | we're just having hamburger helper here... but for the amount of prep work it isn't bad |
| 23:15:18 | MicroChip32 | Morn: which one ? |
| 23:15:18 | AlHazWork | Morn: ah, helped hamburger. food of the gods. |
| 23:15:31 | Morn | MicroChip32: chili macoroni |
| 23:15:31 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork: heheh yea, depending on which one |
| 23:15:54 | MicroChip32 | Morn: sounds edible. as long as it aint their disgusting stroganoff |
| 23:16:14 | AlHazWork | I remember being so poor i couldn't afford real live hamburger helper, and had to settle for off-brand products that merely assist ground beef, purchased from a closeout store |
| 23:16:43 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork: oh you ate the rich guy stuff eh? did ya live on raman noodles too? |
| 23:16:51 | Morn | raman! |
| 23:16:55 | Morn | food of the gods! |
| 23:17:06 | MicroChip32 | lolol, especially for the price ;) |
| 23:17:17 | Morn | like $0.15 in bulk |
| 23:17:19 | Morn | can't beat it |
| 23:17:51 | AlHazWork | yeah, these days i can eat the good stuff - Top and Maruchan |
| 23:17:54 | MicroChip32 | yep from 15-25 depending on where and how many ya get. i like em in limited amounts, too many too frequently i get tired of em |
| 23:18:14 | AlHazWork | Not like the old days when I slaved away at Parlant and ate $0.07/ea packs of Smack Ramen |
| 23:18:21 | MicroChip32 | in college i lived on raman and box mac-n-cheese |
| 23:18:35 | Morn | they are great for programmers who can't be bothered to cook for themselves |
| 23:18:43 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Bulk spagetti was cheaper...... |
| 23:18:45 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 23:18:56 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: yea but more preparation required |
| 23:19:10 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Thats why they invented chinese.... |
| 23:19:11 | Morn | wanders off to help with dinner |
| 23:19:12 | Morn | bbl |
| 23:19:16 | Morn | is away: cooking |
| 23:19:32 | MicroChip32 | chinese: gag! |
| 23:19:56 | MicroChip32 | my other standby was homemade chili =) hot of course |
| 23:58:32 | Morn | Comsmic: watch that finger! |
| 23:59:59 | MicroChip32 | hmmm i dont think i wanna know |