| 00:01:10 | Tangent | BZFlag : Thanks... (for the logs) |
| 00:01:12 | CosmicPenguin | Last time I put on evolution, it took me a day and a half to clean out all the crap that it needed..... |
| 00:01:26 | CosmicPenguin | Talk about dependancies.... |
| 00:01:47 | signal11 | hopefully it will be released as part of ximian in the future |
| 00:01:56 | Morn | it is part of ximian |
| 00:02:05 | Morn | it's ximian that has all the dependencies |
| 00:02:09 | Morn | but I like it |
| 00:02:38 | Morn | 2199 root 19 0 244M 100M 9412 S 10.3 10.0 56:23 X |
| 00:02:41 | Morn | yikes! |
| 00:02:51 | Russ | eww...ximian |
| 00:03:17 | Russ | I really hated some of the debs they released |
| 00:03:25 | Russ | Morn: the 244M is mostly memory mappings |
| 00:03:31 | Russ | (AGP, video, MTRR, etc) |
| 00:03:44 | Morn | ah, it's a 64M video card |
| 00:04:01 | Russ | and that 64M gets mapped in more than one way |
| 00:04:08 | Russ | look at X with qps |
| 00:04:18 | Russ | ls |
| 00:04:21 | Russ | oops |
| 00:05:10 | Morn | is there a way to cut and paste from a Xnest session to the main X session? |
| 00:06:59 | BZFlag | qps? |
| 00:07:46 | andersee | jacques: Could you post an email describing your success with X to the uclibc mailing list (uclibc at oss.lineo.com)? |
| 00:08:07 | BZFlag | and/or a tuxscreen wiki page? ;-) |
| 00:08:10 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Its doing it again |
| 00:08:40 | signal11 | dave matthews or violent femmes |
| 00:08:47 | signal11 | ww probably 8^) |
| 00:09:13 | andersee | signal11: huh? |
| 00:09:39 | signal11 | ww = wrong window |
| 00:09:43 | andersee | oh |
| 00:09:46 | andersee | heh |
| 00:09:47 | signal11 | our local icecast server is flaking out |
| 00:26:59 | jacques | andersee: definitely - sorry work was intruding on my ircing |
| 00:27:44 | jacques | meccano% du -ch libX* |
| 00:27:44 | jacques | 909k libX11.so.6.2 |
| 00:27:44 | jacques | 62k libXext.so.6.4 |
| 00:27:44 | jacques | 32k libXi.so.6.0 |
| 00:27:45 | jacques | 12k libXmuu.so.1.0 |
| 00:27:45 | jacques | 9.0k libXrandr.so.1.0 |
| 00:27:49 | jacques | 17k libXrender.so.1.0 |
| 00:27:51 | jacques | 21k libXtst.so.6.1 |
| 00:27:53 | jacques | 1.1M total |
| 00:27:57 | CosmicPenguin | gotsta bolt... andersee still waiting for a e-mail.... :) |
| 00:31:14 | Tangent | BZFlag : How do I make the logs up-to-date for ibot? |
| 00:31:34 | Tangent | BZFlag : There's been a heated discussion on #kiss that's too good too miss |
| 00:33:11 | BZFlag | Tangent: it only handles regening the entire set at present. |
| 00:33:31 | scanline | is away: food |
| 00:33:32 | Tangent | BZFlag : That'd do |
| 00:35:39 | BZFlag | cd ~timr/web ../i<whatever> ibot& takes a _long_ time. |
| 00:36:31 | BZFlag | there is an infobot log rotation patch up on infobot.org |
| 00:36:44 | jacques | jacques% /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux.0/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-strip -x --strip-unneeded --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment * |
| 00:36:45 | jacques | jacques% !du |
| 00:36:45 | jacques | du -ch * |
| 00:36:45 | jacques | 800k libX11.so.6.2 |
| 00:36:45 | jacques | 244k libXaw.so.6.1 |
| 00:36:46 | jacques | 348k libXaw.so.7.0 |
| 00:36:48 | jacques | 56k libXext.so.6.4 |
| 00:36:52 | jacques | 96k libXft.so.1.1 |
| 00:36:53 | BZFlag | might make sense to patch ibot and then cron off the daily log file |
| 00:36:54 | jacques | 28k libXi.so.6.0 |
| 00:36:56 | jacques | 92k libXmu.so.6.2 |
| 00:36:58 | jacques | 12k libXmuu.so.1.0 |
| 00:37:00 | jacques | 60k libXpm.so.4.11 |
| 00:37:02 | jacques | 8.0k libXrandr.so.1.0 |
| 00:37:04 | jacques | 16k libXrender.so.1.0 |
| 00:37:06 | jacques | 8.0k libXss.so.1.0 |
| 00:37:08 | jacques | 300k libXt.so.6.0 |
| 00:37:10 | jacques | 20k libXtst.so.6.1 |
| 00:37:17 | jacques | NOTE that the Xaw's and Xt are evil and should not be used by any right-thinking X app |
| 00:40:51 | andersee | jacques: very cool. |
| 00:41:14 | andersee | jacques: So eliminating those, what's the total size after stripping things? |
| 00:41:47 | andersee | Just a touch over a meg, right? |
| 00:55:26 | jacques | andersee: not including Xfbdev |
| 00:57:26 | jacques | jacques% du -ch libX* Xfbdev |
| 00:57:26 | jacques | 800k libX11.so.6.2 |
| 00:57:26 | jacques | 56k libXext.so.6.4 |
| 00:57:27 | jacques | 96k libXft.so.1.1 |
| 00:57:27 | jacques | 28k libXi.so.6.0 |
| 00:57:27 | jacques | 92k libXmu.so.6.2 |
| 00:57:29 | jacques | 12k libXmuu.so.1.0 |
| 00:57:31 | jacques | 60k libXpm.so.4.11 |
| 00:57:33 | jacques | 8.0k libXrandr.so.1.0 |
| 00:57:35 | jacques | 16k libXrender.so.1.0 |
| 00:57:37 | jacques | 8.0k libXss.so.1.0 |
| 00:57:39 | jacques | 20k libXtst.so.6.1 |
| 00:57:41 | jacques | 704k Xfbdev |
| 00:57:43 | jacques | 1.9M total |
| 00:58:10 | jacques | some of those libs are not widely usde |
| 00:59:08 | Russ | gzip it |
| 00:59:25 | andersee | 2 Megs. I wonder how much jffs2 can compress them? Still, That is small enough I'm sure we can get them into the 4 Meg of phone flash |
| 00:59:42 | Russ | gzip gives you a good idea |
| 01:00:28 | andersee | True. gzip and jffs2's zlib compression are the same routine.. |
| 01:02:53 | Morn | what is the sso-service? |
| 01:02:59 | Morn | in /etc/services |
| 01:03:50 | jacques | jacques% du -ch * |
| 01:03:50 | jacques | 444k libX11.so.6.2.gz |
| 01:03:50 | jacques | 20k libXext.so.6.4.gz |
| 01:03:51 | jacques | 44k libXft.so.1.1.gz |
| 01:03:51 | jacques | 12k libXi.so.6.0.gz |
| 01:03:51 | jacques | 40k libXmu.so.6.2.gz |
| 01:03:53 | jacques | 8.0k libXmuu.so.1.0.gz |
| 01:03:55 | jacques | 28k libXpm.so.4.11.gz |
| 01:03:59 | jacques | 4.0k libXrandr.so.1.0.gz |
| 01:04:01 | jacques | 8.0k libXrender.so.1.0.gz |
| 01:04:03 | jacques | 4.0k libXss.so.1.0.gz |
| 01:04:05 | jacques | 8.0k libXtst.so.6.1.gz |
| 01:04:07 | jacques | 348k Xfbdev.gz |
| 01:04:09 | jacques | 968k total |
| 01:05:44 | andersee | Cool. |
| 01:06:22 | jacques | 36k rxvt.gz |
| 01:06:23 | jacques | :-D |
| 01:07:21 | jacques | also, I didn't rabidly optimize the extensions built into Xfbdev - it can probably get smaller - this is just the build I use for the ipaq |
| 01:07:33 | jacques | config for the ipaq I meant |
| 01:07:48 | andersee | very nice. |
| 01:08:01 | jacques | thanks :-) |
| 01:08:15 | andersee | how painful would it be to merge this into the tuxscreen buildroot? |
| 01:08:33 | jacques | well main problem I see is the size of the X source |
| 01:08:55 | jacques | about 60MB compressed - tho there is probably unneeded stuff in there |
| 01:09:18 | jacques | also, current xfree cvs is broken for tinyx + ts |
| 01:09:25 | signal11 | how broken? |
| 01:09:29 | jacques | I am using an old (august) source |
| 01:09:40 | andersee | Couldn't the source tarball be downloaded then patched up, same as we do for the kernel and everything else? |
| 01:09:44 | jacques | keithp added an arg to a func and didnt cange all the code |
| 01:09:54 | signal11 | ah, so it won't even compile |
| 01:10:00 | jacques | signal11: correct |
| 01:10:14 | jacques | it's one of those nasty args that has to get passed all the way down the call chain |
| 01:10:34 | jacques | I wasnt about to trace it through all the source files |
| 01:10:41 | jacques | tho maybe I should :-\ |
| 01:10:45 | signal11 | i'm using an older one too. does yours lock up randomly? i am thinking that 16mb isn't enough |
| 01:11:02 | signal11 | jacques a couple of hours with grep builds character |
| 01:11:18 | jacques | signal11: I am having a bit of nustability, but it could be because I forgot to move the bigger libm to the tuxscreen |
| 01:11:27 | jacques | signal11: heh, I have already spent that time and more |
| 01:11:45 | jacques | signal11: 16MB should be plenty for tinyx |
| 01:11:49 | signal11 | what kind of instability, lock ups or general weird things? mine occasionally will just lock solid |
| 01:12:04 | jacques | mine tends to exit |
| 01:12:11 | signal11 | jacques I thought so too but who knows with both linux & X |
| 01:12:27 | jacques | but only after a couple of hours of running xscreensaver remotely :-D |
| 01:12:32 | jacques | heh |
| 01:12:45 | signal11 | i linked X statically |
| 01:12:52 | jacques | i was going to build xscreensaver for fun but it uses Xt and I refuse |
| 01:14:03 | jacques | current policy of jg et al is to not use Xt anymore |
| 01:14:34 | jacques | signal11: you mean you have a tinyx statically linked with glibc? |
| 01:14:48 | signal11 | yes |
| 01:14:53 | jacques | nod |
| 01:15:05 | signal11 | since thats all my tux screen does, I can get away with it |
| 01:15:16 | signal11 | at some point I'll have to be a man and do it the right way |
| 01:15:17 | jacques | signal11: how big is it? |
| 01:15:30 | signal11 | 1 meg or so, stripped |
| 01:15:44 | jacques | not bad |
| 01:16:00 | signal11 | tolerable, definitely, especially with jffs |
| 01:16:05 | jacques | andersee: yes, we just need the patch :-) |
| 01:16:06 | signal11 | do you want to try it? |
| 01:16:13 | signal11 | i can dcc you a copy |
| 01:16:18 | signal11 | if I can find it |
| 01:16:27 | Morn | signal11: you have X for the tux? |
| 01:16:39 | signal11 | yes |
| 01:16:44 | Morn | cool |
| 01:16:53 | jacques | signal11: I probably wont get around to it too soon - I want to get this X + uClibc thing more complete |
| 01:16:55 | signal11 | with xdmcp so I can use it as an x terminal |
| 01:17:07 | signal11 | that was the most painful part... |
| 01:17:20 | signal11 | since tinyx doesn't build with xdm the way the X folks have it set up |
| 01:17:38 | signal11 | understandably |
| 01:18:02 | jacques | signal11: my main 2 uses are going to be X+uClibc on onboard flash and full glibc based dist on CF/microdrive |
| 01:18:09 | Morn | signal11: can I see it? |
| 01:18:29 | signal11 | morn let me see if I can dig up a copy here. i must have saved the binary somewhere |
| 01:18:41 | jacques | andersee: I need to talk to keithp and get the cvs fixed up, then things will be much easier |
| 01:19:10 | | keithp was last seen on #handhelds.org 70 days, 22 hours, 51 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: remebers boot loader racing on a PDP-11... [Wed Sep 26 03:27:14 2001] |
| 01:19:10 | jacques | ibot: seen keithp |
| 01:20:47 | jacques | andersee: ALSO, I am using 2.4.7 kernel - something needs done to get X working with new ts driver in 2.4.16 etc |
| 01:21:24 | signal11 | morn ouch, I didn't save it on my development machine... I need to back it up off my tux screen |
| 01:21:34 | Morn | rut roh |
| 01:21:38 | signal11 | will you be online for another hour? |
| 01:21:50 | Morn | my cable modem is maxed out at 1.5Mb right now anyway |
| 01:21:54 | Morn | yeah, I'll be around |
| 01:22:12 | signal11 | ok, i'll log on when I get home |
| 01:22:16 | Morn | thanks |
| 01:24:58 | BZFlag | GoRK: you or anyone know the names of the pins on the jtag header yet? I added the ones I know to the JTAG wiki page. |
| 01:25:35 | andersee | jacques: yeah, all those interface changes during a stable kernel release are a real pain |
| 01:26:10 | jacques | andersee: yeah, I am not sure the new ts driver is so great |
| 01:26:25 | jacques | andersee: the handhelds ppl are forward-porting their old ts driver |
| 01:29:03 | jacques | andersee: it's too bad because 2.4.16 is a great kernel otherwise AFAICT |
| 01:29:19 | jacques | andersee: is there an online archive of the uclibc mailing list anywhere? |
| 01:30:13 | jacques | andersee: I havent seen the mailing list mentioned on the uclibc.org page |
| 01:31:51 | andersee | jacques: http://uclibc.org/ mentions it as the third heading "Mailing List". http://oss.lineo.com/lists/uclibc/ |
| 01:32:04 | GPSFan | BZFlag: check out http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/jtag2.pdf this is a JTAG dongle I'm going to prototype sometime soon, it has signal names for Tux & Latr. |
| 01:32:26 | jacques | andersee: oops, thanks |
| 01:32:26 | GPSFan | s/Latr/LART |
| 01:33:22 | BZFlag | GPSFan: thanx! pin 7 on the lart is nTRST you have is disconnected. |
| 01:34:48 | GPSFan | BZFlag: as I said I'm going to prototype it RSN ;>) haven't debugged the schematic yet. |
| 01:35:17 | BZFlag | no prob. thanx again. |
| 01:35:34 | jacques | BZFlag: you are in charge of buildroot-tux ? |
| 01:37:04 | BZFlag | jacques: andersee or I. I suppose. |
| 01:37:17 | jacques | BZFlag: the current buildroot produces an image with only one ptyp device |
| 01:38:05 | jacques | BZFlag and andersee: each terminal (rxvt) needs its own ptyp |
| 01:38:38 | BZFlag | should use /dev/pts/ no? |
| 01:38:58 | jacques | well maybe I need to change the way I'm building rxvt |
| 01:39:10 | jacques | let me look at it then - sorry |
| 01:39:45 | andersee | rxvt on my Debian system uses /dev/pts |
| 01:39:53 | BZFlag | that would be best, but feel free to send on a patch for sources/device_table.txt if you like. |
| 01:40:13 | BZFlag | probably a Good Thing to have at least 16 or so. |
| 01:40:44 | BZFlag | andersee: remember he's building all this on uClibc though. |
| 01:41:31 | andersee | BZFlag: Hmm. But it should still use /dev/pts -- I assume it is enabled on the phone |
| 01:41:59 | jacques | I built rxvt with everything turned off - maybe there is a /dev/pts config |
| 01:42:33 | GPSFan | BZFlag: pin 7 is nTRST on the LART board, but is unconnected on http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/jtag-lart_schematic.pdf. Which is how I developed the schematic. |
| 01:44:47 | jacques | hmmm, I'm not finding anything in the config files about dev/pts |
| 01:45:15 | Russ | GPSFan: do you want a pcb layout? |
| 01:45:28 | Russ | btw, what schematic cap did you use? |
| 01:45:30 | jacques | hmmm: |
| 01:45:33 | jacques | ptytty.c: char tty_name[sizeof "/dev/pts/????\0"]; |
| 01:46:02 | Russ | jacques: so? |
| 01:46:28 | Russ | the \0 is a waste |
| 01:46:36 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 01:46:38 | jacques | looks like I need to define PTYS_ARE_OPENPTY |
| 01:46:43 | GPSFan | Russ: I use Orcad Caprure 7.01, and I did a trial PCB in ExpressPCB. I'm going to haywire one up, to see if it works. the schematic was an excercise to learn about the JTAG hardware |
| 01:47:01 | Russ | GPSFan: get geda-gschem |
| 01:47:14 | Russ | and harry eaton's pcb |
| 01:47:20 | andersee | Looking at the tuxscreen phone, it does not appear the we are mounting /dev/pts, even though the devpts filesystem in enabled in the kernel. |
| 01:47:43 | andersee | We need add mounting /dev/pts to the build system.... |
| 01:48:13 | andersee | Actually, we can just add it to /etc/fstab |
| 01:48:19 | jacques | maybe that's my problem - maybe it's checking for dev/pts and not finding it and reverting to ptyp |
| 01:49:33 | andersee | probably so. |
| 01:49:47 | BZFlag | GPSFan: ahh. perhaps it's not really connected on any of them then. |
| 01:50:08 | BZFlag | any idea what happens when nTRST and nRESET are connected as on the tux cable? |
| 01:50:16 | jacques | I'll try manually mounting /dev/pts hen I get home |
| 01:50:24 | GPSFan | Russ: geda-gschem looks cool, I've used Orcad for years and know it inside out. Once I completely convert to Linux, I'll start learning it. ;>) |
| 01:50:37 | BZFlag | adds the names from GPSFan to http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/JTAG ;-) |
| 01:51:00 | andersee | Something like 'mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts -o gid=5,mode=620' should work |
| 01:51:09 | jacques | thanks |
| 01:51:36 | Russ | GPSFan: pcb needs some work though |
| 01:53:06 | GPSFan | Russ: i have Orcad PCB too, and although a little old it does a great job. for a DOS app. ;>) |
| 01:54:19 | GPSFan | BZFlag: Where did the connection from nTRST to nRESET as in the Tux wiki come from if not from LART? I'll review the Intel Brutus app notes. |
| 01:55:52 | GPSFan | Russ: that's cool. |
| 01:56:14 | GPSFan | Russ: is that something you are working on? |
| 01:56:42 | Russ | yup |
| 01:57:24 | GPSFan | Russ: and a real board too! |
| 01:58:10 | Russ | there's a dual ethernet board to go with it |
| 01:58:17 | GPSFan | Russ:nice... |
| 01:59:27 | andersee | Russ: pictures? |
| 01:59:54 | Russ | andersee: yup |
| 02:02:01 | BZFlag | GPSFan: I got a few known working jtag cables from moberg and that's the way they were wired. not docs were included. |
| 02:02:11 | BZFlag | s/not/no/ |
| 02:03:08 | GPSFan | BZFlag: ok, as long as they work, the connection from nTRST to nRESET seems logical from reading the JTAG part of the SA1100 docs. |
| 02:03:33 | Russ | it is |
| 02:05:33 | andersee | Russ: cool. Reminds me a bit of the nanoEngine. http://www.brightstareng.com/arm/nanoeng.htm |
| 02:06:09 | Russ | actually, its a lot more like a lart |
| 02:06:31 | andersee | what sortof specs? |
| 02:06:39 | Russ | I initially planed on just doing a dual ethernet board for the lart board and then building the lart board |
| 02:06:58 | BZFlag | jacques: yep. need to "mkdir /dev/pts;mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts/" |
| 02:07:13 | Russ | but the flash for the lart board is not possible to obtian in quantities less than a reel and lead times less than a year |
| 02:07:27 | Russ | so I designed a board that would work with my dual ethernet board |
| 02:07:49 | andersee | How much flash does this have? |
| 02:07:58 | Russ | 4M, but it can have much more |
| 02:08:07 | andersee | Ram? |
| 02:08:24 | Russ | it only differs in the lart in that there are no low speed connectors, it uses TSOP flash, and everything is SMT |
| 02:08:27 | Russ | 32M |
| 02:08:38 | Russ | http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/gallery/hand.jpg |
| 02:09:03 | andersee | Ahh. Very similar indeed |
| 02:10:00 | andersee | Device support? |
| 02:10:18 | Russ | ? |
| 02:10:56 | andersee | You mentioned dual ethernet, but there are no ethernet chips on your pic |
| 02:11:04 | Russ | right, its a daughterboard |
| 02:11:14 | Russ | (the dual ethernet board is) |
| 02:12:04 | Russ | I want to redo the design in BGA because SA1100/DRAM is getting more and more expensive |
| 02:12:23 | andersee | Add a SODIMM connector. :-) |
| 02:12:37 | BZFlag | andersee: does device_table create dirs or just chmod them? |
| 02:12:49 | BZFlag | looks at adding /boot/var/dev/pts |
| 02:12:51 | andersee | BZFlag: It will create dirs |
| 02:12:54 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 02:13:21 | Russ | andersee: thats not cheap... |
| 02:13:39 | Russ | but sa1110, I'd have to learn a little BGA, but more learn 100MHz |
| 02:13:59 | andersee | Russ: how expensive is making one of these devices currently? |
| 02:14:16 | jacques | larts are not cheap |
| 02:14:19 | jacques | :-( |
| 02:14:20 | Russ | in quantities of 25, the board is $297 |
| 02:14:30 | Russ | in quantaties of 1000, the board is $137 |
| 02:16:03 | andersee | Hmm... |
| 02:16:15 | andersee | Pretty nice |
| 02:16:23 | BZFlag | jacques: I just added devpts to the buildroot it should mount on boot now. |
| 02:19:37 | jacques | BZFlag: cool :-D |
| 02:20:41 | jacques | nice looking board |
| 02:22:42 | markl_ts | morn are you still here? |
| 02:26:49 | DrXenon | some of you may have been entertained by my whining about static in the handset speaker. turned out i forgot to put the low pass filter on the telephone line, so the static was the sound of castle wolfenstein downloading. :-) |
| 02:27:31 | markl_ts | heh |
| 02:30:31 | jacques | DrXenon: D'Oh! |
| 02:33:03 | Morn | markl_ts: kinda |
| 02:33:54 | markl_ts | i'm trying to figure out how to grab this X binary |
| 02:34:33 | Morn | signal11? |
| 02:34:42 | markl_ts | yeah |
| 02:34:50 | markl_ts | sorry for the confusing nick |
| 02:34:55 | Morn | ok, the nick change threw me |
| 02:35:00 | Morn | is the tux networked? |
| 02:35:03 | Morn | I assume yes |
| 02:35:07 | markl_ts | yeah |
| 02:35:14 | markl_ts | i have mount on it |
| 02:35:21 | markl_ts | but not ftp |
| 02:35:28 | Morn | no ftp or sftp |
| 02:35:30 | Morn | hmmm |
| 02:35:35 | markl_ts | nope |
| 02:35:37 | markl_ts | mount is it |
| 02:35:52 | Morn | do you have a copy of the jffs image? |
| 02:36:21 | markl_ts | well it's time for a kernel upgrade anyway, i can get nfs going on my Real computer |
| 02:36:30 | Morn | 'k |
| 02:36:38 | Morn | I'm trying to get the mtd modules working here |
| 02:36:56 | Morn | when I added it to the 2.4.13 kernel all of a sudden reiserfs didn't work any more |
| 02:37:22 | markl_ts | hmm |
| 02:37:55 | Morn | and 2.4.16 didn't even boot stopped at 2416.............. |
| 02:38:00 | Morn | I'm not having a good day |
| 02:38:10 | Morn | without mtd modules they both work fine |
| 02:44:45 | markl_ts | does it make a difference if you compile them in or not? |
| 02:45:08 | Morn | I need them to do work with the images |
| 02:45:21 | Morn | to get stuff out of an existing image |
| 02:45:29 | Russ | Morn: make the mtd stuff as modules |
| 02:45:36 | Russ | Morn: especially mtdram |
| 02:45:37 | Morn | Russ: that's what I did |
| 02:45:46 | Russ | so why did you rebuild your kernel? |
| 02:45:53 | Morn | and when I did that I couldn't mount my reiserfs system |
| 02:46:11 | Morn | Russ: when I change the modules I rebuild a kernel... |
| 02:46:31 | Morn | I tried just compiling the modules in the mtd distribution but when ever I tried to use them they crashed |
| 02:46:38 | Russ | there is no need to rebuild your kernel when you build modules...but it shouldn't break reiser |
| 02:46:45 | Russ | umm... |
| 02:46:54 | Russ | just compile the modules that are in the kernel source |
| 02:49:24 | Russ | just because its in the kernel source, doesn't mean it has to go into the kernel |
| 02:49:57 | Morn | Russ: I've been compiling kernels for years... |
| 02:50:08 | Morn | but when I do anything with the main kernel source I redo the whole thing |
| 02:55:45 | Morn | 25 minutes left on a iso download... |
| 02:55:53 | Morn | I love this cable modem |
| 02:56:22 | andersee | Morn: bet your cable modem owning neighbors hate you though. |
| 02:56:25 | andersee | Morn: :-) |
| 02:56:41 | Morn | I'm sure, I bought the best package and I abuse the heck out of it |
| 02:56:52 | Morn | I keep it maxed out at 1.5Mb a lot of the time |
| 02:57:20 | markl_ts | high speed internet at home is nice |
| 02:57:38 | Morn | was used to 28.8 for a long time :-) |
| 02:57:54 | Morn | I was surprised we could get cable modems here |
| 02:58:00 | markl_ts | i went from 14.4 to the initial, uncapped road runner |
| 02:58:00 | Morn | (I just moved here in October) |
| 02:58:12 | andersee | where is here? |
| 02:58:25 | markl_ts | 400KB/sec before they wised up |
| 02:58:26 | Morn | Conneticut (I was living in Manhattan before) |
| 02:59:13 | Morn | big change to go from Manhattan to a very small town in CT |
| 02:59:30 | Morn | sometimes I miss the city |
| 02:59:49 | andersee | Morn: the part about being blown up by airplanes? |
| 03:00:12 | Morn | I was 30 blocks or so away from the Wolrd Trade Center when it happened |
| 03:00:18 | Morn | I lived on 33rd and 2nd Ave |
| 03:00:34 | Morn | 2nd Ave was the main fire lane during the crisis |
| 03:00:39 | Morn | the sirens never stopped |
| 03:01:57 | markl_ts | that will be an unforgettable experience |
| 03:02:06 | Morn | very |
| 03:02:07 | markl_ts | i had a dream about the wtc bombing |
| 03:02:12 | markl_ts | the other night |
| 03:02:35 | markl_ts | i dreamed that I was that guy in the photoshop-hacked picture from the top of the wtc |
| 03:02:40 | Morn | I need to find the song a guy from DC wrote about it |
| 03:02:52 | markl_ts | and i had to figure out how to get down as the plane was coming towards me |
| 03:03:24 | markl_ts | that was a strange dream |
| 03:03:51 | aaronl | looks around |
| 03:05:09 | markl_ts | what are you looking for? |
| 03:05:41 | aaronl | just watching |
| 03:06:54 | Morn | I'm looking forward to the Linux Expo in NYC the end of January |
| 03:07:55 | markl_ts | ok, rebooting under 2.4.16. bbiaf |
| 03:09:11 | andersee | night all |
| 03:38:32 | Sammy | hello RussGWC |
| 04:01:44 | markl_afu | word to the wise: on red hat 7.2, make sure to add packet/socket, kernel/user, and RTNETLINK |
| 04:01:48 | markl_afu | to the kernel |
| 04:01:58 | markl_afu | otherwise, ifup doesn't work |
| 04:02:22 | markl_afu | and when will nvidia get their kernel driver into the standard kernel? |
| 04:02:27 | markl_afu | </gripe session> |
| 04:03:20 | jacques | markl_afu: never as long as it's binary-only |
| 04:03:35 | markl_afu | the kernel driver isn't binary only, just the XFree86 driver |
| 04:04:37 | jacques | markl_afu: ah, which driver are you referring to? |
| 04:04:41 | markl_afu | waah. |
| 04:04:44 | markl_afu | at least they have a driver |
| 04:04:56 | EGg0 | is away: bedtime for Bonzo. |
| 04:05:04 | jacques | markl_afu: I have about 7 nvidia cards |
| 04:05:22 | markl_afu | NVIDIA_kernel. it's a geforce2 mx |
| 04:31:54 | GoRK | the nvidia driver will never be put into the standard kernel source as long as the only purpose it serves it to serve a proprietary xfree driver. |
| 04:33:07 | GoRK | plus, it doesnt really do anything different than agpgart is supposed to do. if their xfree dirver were opensource, i'm sure someone would extend agpgart to support nvidia hardware more effectively and make the userspace driver use it |
| 04:39:28 | markl_ts | more advice: don't skip the "make dep" step |
| 04:43:59 | markl_ts | morn did you get the dcc? |
| 04:44:57 | Morn | yes, thanks |
| 04:45:04 | Morn | I just looked at the xchat again |
| 04:45:08 | Morn | I was working on a web site |
| 04:45:44 | jacques | hi GoRK, where's my shanip3 kit? :-D |
| 04:58:33 | GoRK | i think the shanip really retards the dsp's ability to detect ringing on the line |
| 05:03:17 | jacques | but I just want my phones to be able to play sounds :-( |
| 05:17:15 | Morn | shanip? |
| 05:17:46 | | jacques: excuse me? |
| 05:17:46 | jacques | ibot: shanip |
| 05:17:50 | | jacques: excuse me? |
| 05:17:50 | jacques | ibot: shanip2 |
| 05:18:03 | | thanks jacques :) |
| 05:18:03 | jacques | ibot: no botsnack for you |
| 05:18:29 | GoRK | Morn: the add-on circut that lets you do audio i/o in software for stuff like VoIP, mp3 player, etc |
| 05:18:49 | | OK, jacques. |
| 05:18:49 | jacques | ibot: shanip is at http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/shanip |
| 05:18:52 | Morn | cool, I thought that the speaker would let you do that. |
| 05:19:04 | GoRK | hmm why am i getting like 5.3KB/s from debian mirrors |
| 05:19:12 | jacques | an un-modded phone cannot make sounds from the speaker under linux |
| 05:19:38 | GoRK | Morn: no you can't do any kind of audio stuff with an unmodified phone |
| 05:19:51 | GPSFan | jacques: hi, I installed your toolchain, and got an internal compiler error, trying to compile pty.c |
| 05:20:00 | GoRK | i suppose i should correct that since you *may* be able to use the ucb1200 telecom codec, but i still can't make it work |
| 05:20:15 | GoRK | GPSFan! Did you see my question earlier about the phone ringing? |
| 05:21:00 | GPSFan | GoRK: no, let me scroll back and look. I'm trying to get a cross toolchain working and having less than success. ;>( |
| 05:21:26 | GoRK | shoulda installed debian :) |
| 05:21:52 | GPSFan | GoRK: I did that first, |
| 05:22:12 | GPSFan | GoRK: how long ago was your question? |
| 05:22:30 | jacques | GPSFan: DOH!!! sorry abot that |
| 05:23:24 | GoRK | a while... i asked if you knew any possible way the shanip circut might be affecting the phone's ability to detect rings... ie the capacitors soak up the ring voltage for long enough that the dsp debounces it and doesnt detect ring? |
| 05:23:28 | jacques | GPSFan: hmmm, I should try it to be sure, but I have never had a compiler error while building the kernel |
| 05:23:43 | jacques | GPSFan: I'm going to try it right now |
| 05:23:53 | GoRK | i keep thinking maybe it is a software problem and maybe it is a hardware problem |
| 05:24:25 | GoRK | my phone rings when tuxphone isnt running, but when it is, it is very sporadic about ringing... but others say ringing works fine |
| 05:24:27 | GPSFan | GoRK: wait while I look. |
| 05:25:03 | GoRK | i cant find a bug in the software either ... unless my static variable isn't really being statiic |
| 05:25:59 | GPSFan | GoRK: the ring detect signal goes right from the tel line to AI1+ and AI1-, shanip shouldn't have an effect. |
| 05:26:41 | GPSFan | GoRK: since it does, did you try it with and without C1? |
| 05:47:44 | jacques | GPSFan: hmmm, I just downloaded my toolchain and an building buildroot |
| 05:47:51 | jacques | GPSFan: I'm not getting any compiler errors |
| 05:47:57 | BZFlag | hopes devpts works. ;-) |
| 05:48:00 | jacques | GPSFan: what exact error did you get? |
| 05:48:33 | jacques | BZFlag: I'm still at work - just testing the toolchain this time |
| 05:48:48 | GPSFan | jacques: arm-linux-gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11. |
| 05:49:24 | jacques | GPSFan: hmmm, 11 is classic harware error |
| 05:49:31 | jacques | GPSFan: such as bad ram |
| 05:49:51 | jacques | GPSFan: does it error out in exactly the sam place every time? |
| 05:50:03 | GPSFan | jacques: ok maybe that makes sense, I upgraded my CPU to a 850Mhz |
| 05:50:49 | jacques | GPSFan: heh, it's a gcc faq - signal 11 99% == hardware problem |
| 05:51:19 | GPSFan | jacques: only ran it once , am making again, got same error in console.c this time. I'll go back to the old CPU and see if it is any better. |
| 05:51:44 | GPSFan | jacques: thanks... |
| 05:52:00 | GoRK | if gcc is segfaulting yeah heh hardware. point finger at bad ram or improperly configured bios settings for ram |
| 05:52:21 | jacques | GoRK: total agreement |
| 05:52:39 | jacques | tho I have seen other internal compiler errors wihc hare actual software errors |
| 05:52:47 | jacques | just not signal 11 |
| 05:53:02 | GoRK | GPSFan: arent you running some weird rpm-based distro? perhaps it has a funny libc |
| 05:53:11 | GoRK | that the emdebian rpm's dont like |
| 05:53:44 | jacques | GoRK: he was trying out my toolchain this time |
| 05:53:51 | GoRK | oh |
| 05:53:59 | GoRK | well maybe it doesnt like his libc either :) |
| 05:54:43 | GPSFan | GoRK: let me try the old cpu and see if the signal 11 goes away. |
| 05:55:00 | jacques | the fact that it appens in different places points to hardware too |
| 05:55:04 | GoRK | im still gonna guess ram though |
| 06:00:23 | GPSFan | jacques: still making, somewhat slower, but no errors. ;>) |
| 06:01:14 | jacques | GPSFan: can you tell how far along it is? |
| 06:01:35 | GPSFan | erase.c |
| 06:01:55 | GPSFan | still in /include |
| 06:02:03 | jacques | GPSFan: is that in the kernel? |
| 06:02:27 | GPSFan | I think so... |
| 06:04:36 | GoRK | it builds blob before the kernel |
| 06:04:49 | GPSFan | GoRK: back to your shanip ringing problem, did you try removing C1? |
| 06:06:59 | GoRK | no but ill try that |
| 06:07:38 | GoRK | i keep thinking its probably a software problem but i just cannot see it |
| 06:08:10 | GPSFan | GoRK: I just recently finished the tel line section of the comms board, and the ring detect circuit goes into a seperate A/D input of the DSP chip. |
| 06:09:41 | GoRK | did you discover anything more about how the telephone line is connected to the ucb1200 |
| 06:09:55 | GPSFan | jacques: I think the kernel is done it made a piggy, and is now getting stuff from CVS. |
| 06:11:18 | GoRK | yep if you saw tmppiggy.gz getting created your zImage made successfully |
| 06:11:35 | GPSFan | GoRK: look at: http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/ucb1200a.pdf and 1200b.pdf, on the left of both schematics is the tel line. |
| 06:12:05 | GoRK | ok cool ill check that out |
| 06:12:52 | GPSFan | GoRK: sorry I didn't update the schematics for almost a month, but the latest rev is up, and almost at 90%. |
| 06:13:05 | jacques | GPSFan: musta been hardware |
| 06:13:16 | GoRK | it's all good. everyone's been sort of out of it :) spacecoaster has been gone for like 2 weeks |
| 06:13:19 | | spacecoaster was last seen on #tuxscreen 12 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: thekernel: where are you at? [Fri Nov 23 15:24:23 2001] |
| 06:13:19 | GoRK | ibot seen spacecoaster |
| 06:13:20 | GPSFan | jacques: yea, I think so.. |
| 06:16:01 | jacques | GPSFan: is it done yet? |
| 06:16:43 | GPSFan | GoRK: I've been around, but I wanted to get a Linux system up so I could get Linux loaded on my Tux once I put it back together. I've been building machines, and trying out distributions for what seems like weeks. I finally got something set up to the point that I could try cross compiling on Sunday. |
| 06:17:19 | GPSFan | jacques: it's in TinyLogin now. |
| 06:17:43 | GoRK | GPSFan: did you put together a shanip board yet? |
| 06:18:22 | GPSFan | GoRK: not yet. I think I may just wire it up right on the comms board. |
| 06:18:40 | GoRK | scanline style? |
| 06:18:51 | GoRK | heh |
| 06:19:11 | GPSFan | GoRK: sort of but without the tape. ;>) |
| 06:19:24 | GoRK | last i did with it, i was still wrestling mic in and line in's |
| 06:19:33 | GPSFan | compile done... ;>)))))!!! |
| 06:19:44 | jacques | GPSFan: congrats :-) |
| 06:20:00 | GPSFan | thanks. |
| 06:20:12 | scanline | |
| 06:20:18 | GoRK | im just hooking them up in parallel now since it's kinda stupid to worry about mixing them -- although i guess it'd be cool to use your tux as a mobile broadcast encoder :) |
| 06:20:21 | jacques | GPSFan: I giess the real test is if it runs on your tuxscreen |
| 06:21:01 | GoRK | and you realize that it all compiled for x86! |
| 06:21:18 | GPSFan | jacques: yea, that will have to wait till it's back together, I did order another Tux, so if I hosed the first I'll have something to play with. |
| 06:22:08 | jacques | GPSFan: good plan :-) |
| 06:22:09 | GPSFan | GoRK: that was the first set of problems, the environment was hoosed and trying to make the arm-linux-gcc compile for x86. |
| 06:22:22 | jacques | GoRK: thakns a lot - I built that toolchain thankyouverymuch |
| 06:22:53 | GoRK | jacques: that doesnt mean that it was installed correctly :) |
| 06:23:00 | jacques | heh |
| 06:23:10 | jacques | or that there arent rogue env vars |
| 06:23:37 | GPSFan | jacques: no, that was the emdebian chain that was hosed. |
| 06:23:55 | jacques | GPSFan: yeah, I remember |
| 06:23:58 | GPSFan | jacques: yours is the one I'm using now and it worked great. |
| 06:24:03 | jacques | GPSFan: I'm glad |
| 06:24:27 | jacques | GPSFan: but mine would probably also fail if you still had those bad env vars |
| 06:25:10 | GPSFan | jacques: me too, but even with the beter env var's it was still thought it was x86. |
| 06:25:40 | GPSFan | jacques: not that it's done, where is all the good stuff I load into the Tux? |
| 06:26:02 | GPSFan | jacques: it must have made a bazillion dir's. |
| 06:29:29 | AeroSpace | The moment of truth, the blob claimed to be transfered ok and now to reboot and see. |
| 06:29:49 | AeroSpace | cool, whish my systems booted this fast. |
| 06:32:15 | jacques | GPSFan: |
| 06:32:17 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 14060 Dec 5 21:40 tuxscreen-blob* |
| 06:32:17 | jacques | -rw-r--r-- 1 fontenot fontenot 690480 Dec 5 21:44 tuxscreen-image.jffs2 |
| 06:32:17 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 882872 Dec 5 21:40 tuxscreen-kernel* |
| 06:32:34 | jacques | GPSFan: those are the actual files you are going to load onto the tuxscreen |
| 06:32:38 | jacques | GPSFan: HOWEVER |
| 06:33:00 | jacques | GPSFan: I would probably just download a known good blob image - from the tuxscreen site 0.4 dist |
| 06:33:20 | jacques | GPSFan: because I dont want to be responsible for my toolchain bricking your tuxscreen |
| 06:33:37 | GPSFan | jacques: I will initially only download confirmed working stuff, I don't trust anything I build yet. |
| 06:33:39 | jacques | GPSFan: if you flash a bad kernel or ramdisk, it's no big deal |
| 06:34:00 | jacques | GPSFan: no ned to flash the blob after the first time as long as we are still on 2.0.4 |
| 06:34:27 | jacques | GPSFan: blob is the only critical component - you can always easily recover as long as it's OK |
| 06:34:57 | GPSFan | jacques: Ok, still my question is where are those files? |
| 06:36:04 | jacques | GPSFan: those files are in the root level of buildroot-tux |
| 06:36:08 | GPSFan | jacques: ah, just found blob, and several other blob-.... like files. |
| 06:36:34 | jacques | GPSFan: cd buildroot-tux ; ls tuxscreen-* |
| 06:36:40 | GPSFan | jacques: like blob-rest, blob-start. what are they? |
| 06:37:13 | GPSFan | ah. again found them. ;>) |
| 06:37:33 | GPSFan | right under my newbie nose. |
| 06:37:39 | jacques | GPSFan: I use this lob image: http://tuxscreen.net/download/v0.4/tuxscreen-blob |
| 06:37:59 | jacques | it's know to work, especially if you verify the md5sum |
| 06:38:12 | jacques | always verify md5sum on a bootldr :-) |
| 06:38:35 | GPSFan | jacques: that's the one I got. and the one I'll put on when I get my new tux or this one put together. |
| 06:38:47 | jacques | GPSFan: cool |
| 06:39:16 | GPSFan | jacques: # 2 should be here tomorrow or Fri. |
| 06:39:22 | jacques | GPSFan: other than that, it's safe to flash the tuxscreen-image.jffs2 and tuxscreen-kernel you just compiled |
| 06:39:56 | AeroSpace | Does the tuxscreen-image.jffs2 have a X server? |
| 06:39:58 | GPSFan | jacques: yea, because with a known good blob, I can re-flash the others at will. |
| 06:40:21 | jacques | GPSFan: righto |
| 06:40:23 | GoRK | Morn: If you are still around, you might check out dhcping and dhcpdump to work with your dhcp problems.. |
| 06:40:34 | GoRK | Morn: i just ran across them and thought you'd be interested |
| 06:40:35 | jacques | AeroSpace: not yet |
| 06:40:53 | AeroSpace | What about the microwin-image? |
| 06:41:10 | jacques | AeroSpace: that image has microwindows - a different gui than X |
| 06:41:28 | jacques | AeroSpace: I am currently working on an image with X windows |
| 06:41:33 | GoRK | the only way to run x currently is via familiar or nfs root |
| 06:42:12 | GoRK | and you'll have touchscreen driver problems doing it on a new kernel :) |
| 06:42:33 | AeroSpace | After this gets booted I'll see if ppp works. But darn, I'll have to go and get another null modem cable for the other tux. |
| 06:42:54 | AeroSpace | GoRK: What's familiar? |
| 06:43:01 | GoRK | www.handhelds.org |
| 06:43:25 | GPSFan | nght all, GoRK: & jacques: thanks for the help!! |
| 06:43:34 | jacques | night GPSFan |
| 06:43:34 | GoRK | later |
| 06:43:48 | jacques | GoRK: did I mention that I got X built against uClibc ? |
| 06:44:47 | Russ | jacques: I'm thinking kernel/uclibc/busybox/and X will probably compress to around 2M |
| 06:44:55 | jacques | GoRK: we worked out earlier that X server and libs fit in < 1MB flash compressed |
| 06:45:01 | Russ | jacques: leaving 2M for application (compressed) |
| 06:45:32 | GoRK | yes you mentioned that |
| 06:45:42 | GoRK | i'm stoked |
| 06:45:44 | jacques | Russ: currently kernel has its own partition |
| 06:45:52 | Russ | right, it won't always |
| 06:45:55 | jacques | GoRK: sorry - I forgot who I've told :-) |
| 06:46:03 | jacques | Russ: I'm glad to hear tht :-) |
| 06:46:05 | GoRK | Russ: so how's that coming along anyway? :) heheh |
| 06:46:20 | Russ | I haven't had time to work on anything, but the code is there |
| 06:46:22 | jacques | mmmm, blob that groks jffs2 |
| 06:46:46 | GoRK | well blob already does it is the thing.. it just hasnt really been done on the tux yet :) |
| 06:47:04 | GoRK | then we can move to a modular kernel (much needed) |
| 06:47:09 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org/load_kernel.html |
| 06:47:11 | jacques | Russ: your numbers sound right esp. if the kernel doesn't have both reiserfs and ext3 compiled in like mine does :-) |
| 06:47:42 | GoRK | lpp bloats the kernell a fair amount also.. but wont so much on jffs2 |
| 06:47:49 | GoRK | well zimage, i guess, but still |
| 06:48:33 | jacques | my 2.4.16 kernel is currently right under the 917k limit on the tuxscreen |
| 06:48:37 | Russ | we can do a vmlinuz on jffs2 |
| 06:48:45 | jacques | i had to remove FAT and VFAT |
| 06:50:16 | jacques | true, why uncompress twice |
| 06:51:04 | jacques | now, if only I could have fltk... |
| 06:51:08 | jacques | I would be very happy |
| 06:56:27 | jacques | hmm every channel suddenly got totally quiet |
| 06:56:55 | | jacques: sorry... |
| 06:56:55 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 06:58:01 | Morn | GoRK: I'll check them out |
| 06:58:09 | Morn | I'm going to sleep soon |
| 08:42:56 | | bonjour, jacques |
| 08:42:56 | jacques | ibot: hello |
| 09:41:20 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZz |
| 13:49:01 | Morn | morning everyone |
| 13:54:31 | cinderella | it's 15:00 here, :) |
| 13:54:51 | Morn | almost 0800 here |
| 13:54:59 | cinderella | Oh |
| 13:55:00 | vosque | 3PM is my morning. |
| 13:55:08 | vosque | Morning is a state of mind. :) |
| 13:55:20 | cinderella | hehe right |
| 13:55:34 | Morn | of lack of state of mind. |
| 13:56:02 | vosque | hahah |
| 13:56:12 | vosque | I like it! |
| 13:56:37 | Morn | well, picogui didn't crash on me last night |
| 13:56:40 | Morn | that's a start |
| 15:14:55 | signal11 | morn any luck wiht x? |
| 15:15:18 | Morn | signal11: I'm sorry I haven't tried it yet |
| 15:15:31 | Morn | I was trying to get PHP to compile under solaris last night |
| 15:15:39 | Morn | I think the trouble is it doesn't like gcc 3.0.2 |
| 15:15:55 | signal11 | sounds painful. can you use an older gcc? |
| 15:16:53 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:17:20 | CosmicPenguin | morning.... |
| 15:17:40 | Morn | I might be able too |
| 15:17:47 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: You are real couragous trying to build all these packages with such and advanced compiler! |
| 15:17:52 | CosmicPenguin | s/and/an/ |
| 15:18:00 | Morn | :-) |
| 15:18:05 | Morn | I think I may have fixed it though |
| 15:18:30 | Morn | I think the problem is flex and c++ 3.0.x don't play well together |
| 15:19:36 | Morn | I just want php on my internal apache server for a few things |
| 15:25:43 | Morn | sunfreeware.com is VERY slow this morning |
| 15:27:11 | CosmicPenguin | Urg-- a happening 341 messages on LKML this morning |
| 15:37:13 | Morn | if you start vncviewer with no hostname it gives you a small dialog, but it doesn't have focus... and then if you enter one the password dialog doesn't have focus... |
| 15:37:14 | Morn | silly |
| 16:16:53 | CosmicPenguin | Whew.... thats better... |
| 16:24:22 | scanline | is back (gone 06:43:02) |
| 17:45:38 | Morn | argh! |
| 17:47:09 | kernelwork | argh? |
| 17:47:39 | Morn | sorry, getting frustrated with solaris |
| 17:47:49 | Morn | I got apache2 to compile and I can verify the config file |
| 17:48:02 | Morn | but when I try to run it, it just exits and never starts and servers |
| 17:48:08 | Morn | and no log entries |
| 17:57:40 | kernelwork | What advantages do you have with apache2? |
| 18:00:09 | Morn | I got it to work |
| 18:00:13 | Morn | now does php work |
| 18:00:29 | Morn | it's faster from what I understand... this is a test machine so I'll see |
| 19:23:40 | n00b | this channel about TUX Web server? |
| 19:24:28 | signal11 | no, it's about the tux screen, which is a phone + touch screen |
| 19:24:32 | signal11 | http://tuxscreen.net |
| 19:24:53 | signal11 | a discontinued philips product that can run linux |
| 19:25:07 | signal11 | though there are still some available if you want one |
| 19:25:54 | n00b | ahh |
| 19:26:14 | n00b | ithink i'm gona save up for the linux sharp PDA |
| 21:40:20 | Morn | I win! Solaris/Apache2.0.28/PHP4 |
| 21:43:39 | AeroSpace | Morn: That's cool. Did you include ssl? |
| 21:45:26 | Morn | no, it's for internal use so no ssl needed |
| 21:50:09 | Morn | I love it when a plan comes together... |
| 21:50:16 | Morn | php and mysql... my favorites |
| 21:50:50 | AeroSpace | I've been going with postgres myself. |
| 21:51:11 | Morn | I wrote most of the original ODBC driver for PostgreSQL |
| 21:51:20 | Morn | but in recent times I've gone with MySQL |
| 21:54:34 | AeroSpace | I'm trying to set the password for the v0.4 tuxscreen-image.jffs2, but it never returns after I renter the password. Any idea? Or what jffs2 image I should flash in there? |
| 21:55:00 | Morn | AeroSpace: I had the same trouble, I haven't checked into it yet |
| 21:55:47 | AeroSpace | At least I have both of my TuxScreens up and running. That means I can start playing around. After I get ppp up that is. |
| 21:56:42 | Morn | I'm working on PPP too |
| 21:57:45 | AeroSpace | What's the status? I haven't started, it just seemed like a logical step. |
| 21:58:55 | Morn | There was a patch to an older version, I'm trying to get it working with this one |
| 22:54:20 | jacques | where is everybody? |
| 22:56:01 | AeroSpace | That is like asking all those absent raise their hands. |
| 22:56:19 | jacques | good point :-) |
| 22:57:14 | AeroSpace | jacques: Any suggestions for which file system to use that has ppp? And if I'm going to use ppp I would also like to set the root password. |
| 22:57:55 | jacques | AeroSpace: you are looking for an image with ppp on it? |
| 22:58:44 | AeroSpace | That would be nice. Or do you have a suggestion on how to get it up and running. |
| 23:00:52 | jacques | AeroSpace: if it were me I would hack it into buildroot |
| 23:01:16 | jacques | AeroSpace: assuming it builds with uClibc |
| 23:01:55 | AeroSpace | jacques: I"m new to tuxscreen, so I'll start looking there. |
| 23:02:39 | jacques | AeroSpace: the working apps list says pppd will work |
| 23:03:05 | AeroSpace | Thanks, I'll start looking there. |
| 23:03:09 | jacques | cool |
| 23:35:48 | jacques | can anyone tell me how to interpret this: |
| 23:35:51 | jacques | Xfbdev: unhandled page fault at pc=0x0005e770, lr=0x400ab000 (bad address=0x400) |
| 23:36:14 | jacques | I'm trying to debug the x server |
| 23:40:11 | GoRK | jacques: hmm i dunno... you might take a look at the differences between the microwindows "regular" and "uclibc" flavors to see if there are similar issues in the tinyx server |
| 23:40:42 | GoRK | jacques: could be alignment problems but since it runs on ipaq which is also arm it's doubtful |
| 23:44:01 | jacques | GoRK: do you know wht lr=0x400ab000 refers to? |
| 23:44:29 | jacques | GoRK: I need to find out where the error is |
| 23:48:11 | jacques | for all I know it could be in uClibc |
| 23:56:35 | GoRK | you might try compiling it up on x86 or on debian where you can use gdb on it |
| 23:57:43 | jacques | but that's too different |
| 23:57:59 | jacques | maybe I will build a debug version on a microdrive |
| 23:58:16 | GoRK | debian/arm i mean |
| 23:58:18 | jacques | but i dont think I will find the bug unless it's linked with uclibc and running on the tux |
| 23:58:19 | GoRK | against uclibc |
| 23:58:53 | GoRK | i compiled perl on debian/arm/uclibc to find out about the (former) problem of uclibc's libm being hosed |
| 23:59:35 | GoRK | besides the problem would probably show up on an x86/uclibc compile of it also |
