| 00:02:02 | kernelwork | SteevD: go to cosmic.censoft.com and find out |
| 00:02:33 | kernelwork | er sorry, cosmic.linuxhost.cc |
| 00:03:46 | kernelwork | It's a non-tuxscreen thing |
| 00:04:05 | CosmicPenguin | Ack! HTTPD! |
| 00:04:10 | SteevD | boggles. Homer running linux... |
| 00:04:20 | SteevD | sorry - run by linux |
| 00:05:24 | kernelwork | Both cosmic and I have homers |
| 00:06:07 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: What other contact lists do you have in mind? |
| 00:06:22 | kernelwork | goes home and takes homer with him. |
| 00:06:32 | SteevD | MAIL FROM: <steve@...> RCPT: <santa@...> .... |
| 00:06:32 | Morn | like from my Palm device or Outlook or anything for that matter |
| 00:06:36 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: could you get the homer thing updated within an hour or so? |
| 00:07:13 | CosmicPenguin | Ack... probably not... you want the tarball? |
| 00:07:25 | Morn | I'm also trying to get it to do PPP between the iPAQ and the linux desktop |
| 00:07:27 | kernelwork | Could you scp it to lb? |
| 00:07:33 | kernelwork | on /tmp? |
| 00:07:35 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: hehhe... I was hoping that you would say Gnome.... that would be easier.... |
| 00:07:43 | Morn | Gnome would be fine |
| 00:07:54 | CosmicPenguin | Outlook will come here soon enough, and Palm is a bit further out.... |
| 00:07:55 | Morn | I have tools to go from the Palm to Gnome |
| 00:08:45 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I'll have to download the palm and gnome stuff and see what is involved... |
| 00:09:04 | Morn | 'k let me know if I can help in any way |
| 00:10:30 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, no time like the present.... |
| 00:12:36 | CosmicPenguin | I've been spending the last couple of days writing games, this will be a good swtich.... |
| 00:12:43 | Morn | joy |
| 00:24:15 | CosmicPenguin | Alrighty then.... I just started a Konqueor build, so that means my machine will be tied up for the new few hours... so I am gonna bail... |
| 00:24:19 | CosmicPenguin | see you all later |
| 00:56:43 | pattieja | is away: MOSLUG meeting :) |
| 01:11:13 | scanline | is back (gone 01:25:47) |
| 01:53:10 | Sammy | howdy |
| 03:03:18 | BZFlag | nite |
| 03:04:43 | GPSFan | prpplague: howdy, got a few minutes to give me some good words on setting up my cross compile environment? |
| 03:05:23 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm no expert, but i'll give you a thimble full |
| 03:05:57 | prpplague | GPSFan: problems? |
| 03:06:00 | GPSFan | thanks, I'm a hardware guy and this is my first time setting up Linux to do anything really complicated. |
| 03:06:46 | GPSFan | I've read the wiki about tool chains and downloaded the emdebian one, I noticed it is much smaller than the Compaq or Lart ones. |
| 03:08:47 | prpplague | GPSFan: your just needing to setup a cross-compiler to do arm compiles? |
| 03:08:54 | GPSFan | I installed the rpm, and got the buildroot stuff from the cvs. but when I try and build blob, I get an error from arm-linux-gcc saying that i386 is an invalid cpu type. it looks like I don't have the environment set up properly for the cross compilers, bue I'm lost as to where to start. |
| 03:09:21 | GPSFan | s/bue/but |
| 03:10:05 | prpplague | GPSFan: sound like the CC enviroment is not set properly |
| 03:10:51 | GPSFan | that's what I thought, I've looked through all the Makefiles, and all sorts of stuff gets done automagically. |
| 03:11:01 | prpplague | GPSFan: you need to set the CC variable by doing #export CC=arm-linux-gcc |
| 03:13:38 | GPSFan | just did that and get the same error. arm-linux-gcc is what is running, but its CFLAGS has -mcpu=i386. which couldn't be correct. |
| 03:17:45 | prpplague | ohh, sounds like a configure got run improperly |
| 03:17:51 | prpplague | brb |
| 03:17:56 | GPSFan | k |
| 03:23:15 | jacques | Russ: any new kernel patches? ;-) |
| 03:25:49 | prpplague | GPSFan: you are using the build root right? |
| 03:26:52 | GPSFan | prpplague: maybe not? |
| 03:27:30 | GPSFan | prpplague: how does one get the initial bunch of software off CVS onto one's system? |
| 03:27:43 | jacques | prpplague: did I mention that I got X working? |
| 03:29:11 | GPSFan | prpplague: maybe I should start from scratch? |
| 03:30:11 | prpplague | GPSFan: once you download the buildroot tarball, all you should have to do is do a make |
| 03:30:34 | prpplague | this does the configure and downloads the source files via a wget |
| 03:31:07 | prpplague | GPSFan: it also uses the correct makefiles for the sub builds like blob |
| 03:31:52 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's what I thought I did, it downloaded a lot of sources. 30Mb or so, so I thought I was on the right track. I typed make and it did all sorts of stuff terminating with the error I mentioned before. |
| 03:32:35 | jacques | hmmm |
| 03:32:49 | prpplague | hmm, did you type the make in the blob dir or in the buildroot dir? |
| 03:32:59 | GPSFan | buildroot. |
| 03:33:01 | jacques | i could help you better if you were using the compaq beta toolchain or the jzcques toolchain |
| 03:33:39 | jacques | um, jacques toolchain |
| 03:33:50 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm that sounds odd maybe like the makefile for blob was not correct |
| 03:34:14 | jacques | GPSFan: do you have any environment variables which could be doing it? |
| 03:34:22 | GPSFan | jacques: sorry, I downloaded emdebian & thge compaq chains, but couldn't figure out how to install the compaq one properly ( apparently the emdebian one too ;>)) |
| 03:34:40 | jacques | GPSFan: the old compaq chain is too old ofr my taste |
| 03:34:56 | jacques | GPSFan: the beta and jacques toolchains are simple - untar them in /usr/local |
| 03:35:04 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux under binaries is a toolchain build by erikm, very easy to install |
| 03:35:14 | jacques | GPSFan: then add /usr/local/arm/bin to your path |
| 03:35:14 | GPSFan | jacques: yea, the emdebian one seemed to have newer rev's |
| 03:35:33 | prpplague | jacques: same with the one erikm built |
| 03:35:43 | jacques | prpplague: same what? |
| 03:35:58 | prpplague | jacques: /usr/local type install |
| 03:36:59 | GPSFan | ok, I'll get the erikm one uninstall the emdebian one and install that one. |
| 03:37:27 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats what i use with all of my arm builds |
| 03:37:41 | prpplague | GPSFan: buildroot seems to work fine with it |
| 03:37:47 | jacques | :-( |
| 03:37:53 | jacques | nobody ever uses me toolchain |
| 03:37:57 | jacques | fine |
| 03:38:01 | jacques | see if i care |
| 03:38:04 | prpplague | jacques: where is it? |
| 03:38:17 | prpplague | jacques: i'll pull it down to my page |
| 03:38:25 | GPSFan | yea jacques: I'd try it if I knew where it was. |
| 03:38:34 | jacques | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/toolchain/jacques/ |
| 03:38:55 | jacques | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/toolchain/jacques/xchain2-i386.tgz to be exact |
| 03:39:00 | prpplague | eeewww your one of those "handhelds.org" ppl? |
| 03:39:16 | jacques | notes are here: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/toolchain/jacques/README.xchain2-i386 |
| 03:39:28 | jacques | prpplague: heh. |
| 03:39:49 | jacques | prpplague: you dont like handhelds.org? |
| 03:39:49 | GPSFan | prpplague: downloading the erikm one now, it's 40Mbytes. the emdebian one was only about 5. why so large a difference? |
| 03:40:16 | jacques | maybe full install of glibc |
| 03:40:20 | prpplague | GPSFan: a lot more complete. does builds for a wide range of arm platforms |
| 03:40:24 | jacques | which admittedly is not needed in this case |
| 03:40:33 | prpplague | jacques: true |
| 03:41:20 | prpplague | jacques: but sometimes its easier to work back from a large scale operation to a smaller more concise setup |
| 03:41:23 | GPSFan | prpplague: it will be a bit while I have a broadband connection, ti isn't as fast as ccable or DSL. |
| 03:41:46 | jacques | prpplague: mine is huge too - I wasn't coplaining |
| 03:42:01 | prpplague | jacques: np |
| 03:42:15 | prpplague | jacques: are you an ipaq guru? |
| 03:42:53 | jacques | prpplague: not a guru, I just have one and helped tangent build the intimate dist - intimate.handhelds.org |
| 03:43:06 | prpplague | cool |
| 03:43:22 | GPSFan | jacques: you should put together a "lite" version with uClibc and only the required compilers. I read that this one has f77. |
| 03:45:41 | prpplague | i'm out of here for tonight got along day of pcmcia digging tommorrow |
| 03:45:59 | jacques | GPSFan: hmg mine only has C and C++ |
| 03:46:02 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks for the help... |
| 03:46:04 | prpplague | happy hacking |
| 03:46:05 | prpplague | np |
| 03:46:19 | prpplague | drop me an email with your results |
| 03:46:23 | jacques | GPSFan: that souns like fun tho - a uClibc version |
| 03:46:29 | prpplague | dave123@abcsinc.com |
| 03:47:32 | jacques | heh I guess C++ doesn't make any sense with current uClibc |
| 03:48:38 | GPSFan | jacques: about 1/2 downloaded so far, when I get it, I'll un-install the emdebian chain, and nuke my old buildroot stuff. then re--get the buildroot tarball. |
| 03:49:03 | jacques | GPSFan: you should check youe env vars too |
| 03:49:15 | jacques | GPSFan: make sure there isn't one overriding the arch |
| 03:49:51 | GPSFan | jacques: ok how do I tell that? I'm a hardware guy just starting off in Linux compiling. |
| 03:51:19 | jacques | GPSFan: you are new to unix? |
| 03:52:25 | jacques | GPSFan: try 'env' |
| 03:52:26 | GPSFan | jacques: been around it a loong time but never as a software developer. |
| 03:53:11 | jacques | env | grep CC |
| 03:54:06 | GPSFan | nothing.. |
| 03:54:44 | GPSFan | but there is a CFLAGS that has -mcpu=i386, which is where the error I got vbefore was showing. |
| 03:55:59 | jacques | ugh |
| 03:56:22 | jacques | that was probably the whole problem |
| 03:58:50 | GPSFan | ok, how do those variables get set, and which ones need changing for the cross environment? I thought that installing the cross emdebian package would take care of all that. |
| 03:59:54 | jacques | well I really have no idea what the cros embedian package install does |
| 04:00:13 | jacques | usually they get set by a shell script |
| 04:00:25 | jacques | of the shell startup script |
| 04:01:15 | GPSFan | ok, the toolchain is downloaded, |
| 04:01:32 | jacques | you can unset it with unset CFLAGS |
| 04:01:55 | jacques | did you already blow away the embedian toolchain? |
| 04:02:03 | GPSFan | not yet... |
| 04:02:10 | jacques | if not just try unsetting the CFLAGS and trying again |
| 04:04:13 | GPSFan | I just did, and get the same error. env | grep CFLAGS still has the -mcpu=i386 in it. |
| 04:04:47 | jacques | you did unset CFLAGS ? |
| 04:05:00 | jacques | try unsetenv CFLAGS |
| 04:05:00 | GPSFan | yes |
| 04:05:11 | jacques | it's hard without knowing which shell etc you are using |
| 04:05:21 | GPSFan | bash |
| 04:05:38 | jacques | try unsetenv CFLAGS |
| 04:05:42 | GPSFan | no unsetenv |
| 04:06:12 | jacques | hmmm I guess it's a shell builtin |
| 04:06:37 | jacques | try export CFLAGS= |
| 04:07:25 | GPSFan | ok, now CFLAGS = (nothing) |
| 04:07:35 | jacques | hmm, I am using bash and unset works for me |
| 04:07:53 | jacques | export FOO=bar |
| 04:07:56 | jacques | unset FOO |
| 04:08:39 | GPSFan | unset works, but unsetenv doesn't exist. |
| 04:08:53 | jacques | but you said you did unset and the var was still set |
| 04:09:05 | jacques | i think you need the var totally unset rather than set to nothing |
| 04:09:06 | GPSFan | correct |
| 04:09:10 | jacques | you dont want it overriding anything |
| 04:09:20 | jacques | I was just saying that unset properly unsets for me |
| 04:09:28 | jacques | I dont know why it's not working for you |
| 04:09:59 | GPSFan | ok, I redid the make and now lots of new things happen., the i386 error isn't there anymore. |
| 04:10:56 | jacques | did it error out? |
| 04:11:05 | jacques | different problem? |
| 04:11:30 | GPSFan | yes, but a different problem, something to do with _REG |
| 04:11:49 | jacques | that sounds familiar |
| 04:12:34 | GPSFan | in the clock.c moduls function SET_CLOCK |
| 04:12:38 | jacques | you might have screwed it up before - you need to backup your sources/dl dir, do a 'make distclean' restore sources/dl and try again |
| 04:12:55 | jacques | which package is failing? |
| 04:12:59 | jacques | kernel? blob? |
| 04:13:09 | GPSFan | blob |
| 04:14:22 | jacques | i would try what I said above |
| 04:14:31 | GPSFan | jacques: what other environment variables might be lurking around set to the wrong values? |
| 04:14:42 | jacques | remember to mv sources/dl to a different name so it's not deleted in the distclean |
| 04:14:52 | jacques | GPSFan: I fdont know off the top of my head |
| 04:14:54 | GPSFan | ok,\ |
| 04:15:11 | jacques | GPSFan: I dont use them for this |
| 04:15:21 | jacques | not in a long time anyway |
| 04:17:07 | GPSFan | ok, backed up the /dl directory, now I should remove the old /dl? |
| 04:17:48 | jacques | do make distclean |
| 04:18:01 | jacques | that will clean all generated files and the downloaded source |
| 04:18:20 | jacques | after that, put the dl dir back and do make |
| 04:18:20 | GPSFan | making... |
| 04:19:18 | GPSFan | ok, put the /dl back |
| 04:19:37 | GPSFan | running make. |
| 04:20:19 | GPSFan | all sorts of stuff scrolling by. |
| 04:22:09 | jacques | that's usually a good sign |
| 04:22:38 | GPSFan | I mean tons of stuff, no errors yet... |
| 04:23:16 | jacques | yes it should be tons of stuff |
| 04:23:30 | jacques | the kernel alone scrolls 1000's of lines |
| 04:23:40 | jacques | how fast is your machine? |
| 04:23:51 | GPSFan | 300 P2 |
| 04:24:43 | GPSFan | lots of warnings. |
| 04:24:43 | jacques | hm, which image are you building? normal, picogui, microwindows? |
| 04:24:58 | GPSFan | normal |
| 04:26:36 | jacques | build will probably take 15-20 minutes |
| 04:26:39 | jacques | just guessing |
| 04:27:01 | GPSFan | oops, errored out in mem.c |
| 04:27:24 | jacques | :-\ |
| 04:27:43 | jacques | mem.c os what? kernel? |
| 04:28:14 | GPSFan | looks like another environment thing there is stuff about X86_FEATURE.... |
| 04:28:26 | GPSFan | yep kernel. |
| 04:29:32 | GPSFan | lots of "regparm attribute directive ignored" messages. |
| 04:30:47 | jacques | what dist are you using??? |
| 04:31:01 | jacques | what's setting all those variables? |
| 04:31:08 | jacques | Ive never seen that before |
| 04:31:19 | jacques | some package you installed or something is setting those variables |
| 04:31:21 | jacques | I think |
| 04:32:39 | GPSFan | I'm using a redhad derivative "peanut Linux" 2.4.16kernel. I installed gcc, and the arm-linux emdebian chain. |
| 04:33:15 | jacques | hmmm I havent heard of tat dst |
| 04:33:36 | GPSFan | http://www.ibiblio.org/peanut/ |
| 04:33:41 | jacques | I cant say what's setting them - I would only be guessing |
| 04:34:32 | GPSFan | I'll look through the things I've installed, un-install them and see what happens. should I do a make distclean again? |
| 04:34:41 | jacques | it wouldnt make too much sense for the embedian chain to set them since it's a cross compiler too |
| 04:35:09 | jacques | if you type 'env' how many variables are there about? |
| 04:35:42 | jacques | env|wc -l |
| 04:36:09 | GPSFan | 64 |
| 04:37:24 | jacques | hmm |
| 04:37:30 | jacques | too many to paste I guess |
| 04:37:59 | jacques | can you email them to me? |
| 04:38:01 | jacques | hmm |
| 04:38:28 | GPSFan | I could. |
| 04:40:20 | GPSFan | if I had an e-mail address |
| 04:41:09 | jacques | i just msg'ed you |
| 04:58:17 | david | Micah, just wanted to say that Picogui is some nice work |
| 05:33:53 | GoRK | hmm reminds me i need to fix the pgui input driver :-/ and omnibar for buildroot-tux |
| 05:34:48 | GoRK | evil SOAP |
| 05:44:33 | jacques | GoRK: jitter correction? :-) |
| 05:47:11 | GoRK | well there's some braindead jitter correction in it already but i was thinking more along the lines of it shouldnt think the pen has come up every three movements of the cursor :) |
| 05:48:24 | jacques | heh |
| 07:32:55 | jacquesZzZz | i have rxvt |
| 07:48:39 | jacquesZzZz | why only one pty in the current image? |
| 08:23:50 | GoRK | Boy, the E in perl really made its mark for me tonight |
| 08:25:05 | GoRK | Extraction -> request data using SOAP which returns a URL where a .ZIP file containing .CSV's is downloaded, and i'm supposed to get that data into a data structure. all without using temporary files. what a mess!!!!! |
| 08:25:31 | GoRK | at last it is done! |
| 11:33:23 | devil | Hello? |
| 14:43:56 | pattieja | is back (gone 13:47:10) |
| 14:47:59 | Morn | is away: cleaning up... |
| 15:08:50 | Morn | is back (gone 00:20:50) |
| 15:10:04 | prpplague | howdy Morn |
| 15:10:11 | Morn | re's |
| 15:16:55 | Morn | yikes! |
| 15:17:09 | Morn | http://click.idg.email-publisher.com/maaaeGtaaQHYAa9LRibb/ |
| 15:17:16 | Morn | that's a little expensive! |
| 15:37:23 | prpplague | Morn: whats expensive? |
| 15:41:27 | Morn | that internet service on the plane |
| 15:41:33 | Morn | 56k for 10-20 an hour |
| 15:42:34 | prpplague | Morn: i didn't get that adds i guess |
| 15:42:47 | Morn | the link I posted |
| 15:43:34 | prpplague | Morn: ya i too me to the home page for idg.bet |
| 15:43:39 | prpplague | s/too/took |
| 15:44:20 | prpplague | argh...not enough coffee this morning - idg.net |
| 15:44:22 | Morn | I'm going to get some tea, be right back |
| 15:44:33 | prpplague | Morn: get some for me... |
| 16:07:13 | Morn | If silence was truely golden, then no one would speak... |
| 16:08:07 | prpplague | Morn: didya get me some tea as well? |
| 16:08:21 | Morn | dccs prpplague some tea. |
| 16:08:38 | prpplague | mmmm, yummy |
| 16:09:16 | prpplague | Morn: can you dcc $50,000, a red sports card, and a super model? |
| 16:09:36 | Morn | I don't think that is in the near future. |
| 16:10:55 | Niddix | prpplague: I tried but your firewall blocked it ;) |
| 16:11:45 | Niddix | prpplague: Ok maybe it was my firewall that blocked it. |
| 16:12:38 | prpplague | Niddix: darn, has to talk to the sysadm |
| 16:15:50 | Morn | sometimes I use the /speechon script in xchat and my roommate gets frightened :-) |
| 16:18:05 | prpplague | i had to sound un-educated, but what is the /speechon script, text to speech? |
| 16:18:26 | Morn | yeah, it sends all the text on the channel to the sound card |
| 16:18:29 | Morn | very cute |
| 16:18:41 | Morn | I was using it with the festival speech synthesis program |
| 16:19:57 | Morn | really fun when you alwo have a mp3 playing at the same tiem |
| 16:20:04 | prpplague | so how do the sounds: doh , argh, hmmm turn out on the player? |
| 16:20:37 | Morn | wow, I'm getting 1.5Mb downloads from this ftp site... |
| 16:21:04 | Morn | the voices sound fine, I just wish I could assign different 'voices' for each person |
| 16:21:10 | Morn | to distinguish between speakers |
| 16:28:48 | Morn | hmmm, snort shows 8070 alerts from a single host in the last 24 hours... think something weird is going on? no.... not at all |
| 16:56:01 | prpplague | Morn: we've been hit hard with gone.scr ( actually i should say the sales dep. since they're they only one that us m$) |
| 16:56:44 | Morn | Yeah, I've gotten a bunch of those emails. |
| 16:56:53 | Morn | I'm trying to alert everyone to NOT open them |
| 17:02:37 | kernelwork | doble checks the virus avoidance settings on his linux box... |
| 17:02:48 | kernelwork | Wait a minute, I don't have virus avoidance settings |
| 17:03:01 | kernelwork | Viruses don't propegate through pine :) |
| 17:07:06 | Morn | hey, is it possible to create a ppp connection between the tux screen and the desktop? should be... |
| 17:09:47 | prpplague | Morn: ya seems that CosmicPenguin or SpaceCoaster created a ppp patch for the buildroot |
| 17:09:55 | prpplague | Morn: i've got it archived somewhere |
| 17:11:19 | Morn | I should update my copy of buildroot |
| 17:21:46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: It was SpaceCoaster that did it.... it lives somewhere... I might have it in my mail archives if you want it... |
| 17:22:04 | Morn | I was asking... I would like it if it isn't much trouble |
| 17:22:45 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: DCC ok? |
| 17:22:51 | Morn | fine, thanks |
| 17:23:44 | CosmicPenguin | Enjoy |
| 17:23:49 | Morn | :-) |
| 18:17:18 | Morn | hmm, I think we need to change the wget commands in buildroot-tux to include the -c flag |
| 18:17:40 | Morn | I'm having trouble getting lrzsz from the site in Germany and it keeps starting over fresh each time |
| 18:44:05 | prpplague | Morn: i've had problems with that site using non-standard ftp ports |
| 18:44:47 | Morn | prpplague: I added the -c and things are ok now |
| 18:44:55 | prpplague | Morn: cool |
| 18:45:08 | Morn | I'm making some changes to the Makefile for buildroot-tux and I'll submit them tonight |
| 18:54:21 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:11:19 | | SpaceCoaster was last seen on #tuxscreen 12 days, 3 hours, 46 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: thekernel: where are you at? [Fri Nov 23 15:24:23 2001] |
| 19:11:19 | Tangent | ibot seen SpaceCoaster |
| 19:11:38 | CosmicPenguin | Geez.... He disappeared off the map... :) |
| 19:12:49 | GoRK | the great spacecoaster derailed |
| 19:18:17 | Morn | GoRK: should I send you some diff's for the Makefile in buildroot-tux? |
| 19:18:38 | GoRK | sure go ahead |
| 19:28:44 | AeroSpace | I'm looking to put Linux on the TuxScreen. On the unlock procedure there is a note to protect the first flash block. I assume that is the first 32K and the boot critical section and the partition, all, daemon, logo, and config sections. My question is the new code to be flashed the same? Or will I have to flash this section later to get the updates? |
| 19:30:33 | prpplague | AeroSpace: i think what they mean is "unprotect" the flash is normally write protected to prevent the bootload from being overwriten |
| 19:36:49 | AeroSpace | prpplague: I know they want to unprotect most of the flash, but the instructions to protect just the first block was so if it screws up you might be able to recover. I was just trying to figure out if that means I'll have to re-protect that first flash block later or if the new code is the same as what is in there and it is just a matter of a little more safety. |
| 19:39:54 | prpplague | AeroSpace: i'd didn't re-protect mine, but i can see that someone might want to protect the bootload to prevent accidental erasing of the bootload |
| 19:40:21 | GoRK | AeroSpace: those instructions are for performing an inferno update. After you flash blob, you will be unable to reprotect the flash since blob does not have the commands to do so (sboot does, and we are overwriting it) |
| 19:42:02 | AeroSpace | GoRK: They were under the installing linux page instructions. Are you saying I shouldn't re-protect it? Is the protection something coded into sboot or is it hardware? |
| 19:44:09 | GoRK | depends on if you feel like hooking up 12V everytime you want to flash something or not |
| 19:44:33 | GoRK | imo that is a total pain |
| 19:45:39 | AeroSpace | The kernel wouldn't be in that first block, how often would you want to change that code? |
| 19:45:59 | GoRK | that is blob and ive reflashed it several times myself |
| 19:46:54 | GoRK | besides you can always hook up jtag to recover |
| 19:47:57 | AeroSpace | GoRK: I see, but if it is the blob, and it is left protected, you can't boot linux then right? I don't see why they would put that in there if it wouldn't work. Which means making/getting one. |
| 19:48:32 | GoRK | the only way to unlock the flash permanately after you overwrite sboot is with jtag or by reinstalling inferno |
| 19:49:14 | GoRK | it will work only if you ever need to rewrite blob you'll have to keep 12V applied to the pads under the sodimm socket for the entire write |
| 19:50:03 | GoRK | plus, you'll have to have 12V applied during the initial flash of blob. |
| 19:50:09 | GoRK | (from sboot) |
| 19:50:10 | AeroSpace | GoRK: Sounds like a pain. |
| 19:50:53 | AeroSpace | GoRK: I see your point. I'm downloading the v0.4 directory now. |
| 19:51:04 | GoRK | the installing linux instructions assume totally unprotected flash. i would recommend that since if you slip for a split second witht the 12v during a blob write, some bits wont get written and you'll have to do jtag anyway |
| 19:51:50 | GoRK | otherwise, the worst that happens is that your flash doesnt get completely unlocked and you have to do the steps over again |
| 19:52:50 | AeroSpace | GoRK: Which should I use, microwin-image.jffs2 or the tuxscreen-image? |
| 19:53:16 | GoRK | doesnt really matter. all the binary images up there are pretty out of date right now anyway |
| 19:53:41 | AeroSpace | As long as they boot so I can change them I guess. |
| 19:58:34 | GoRK | what's in between the if and fi lines? you ahve to end each comand with ; and have a backslash |
| 20:00:43 | AeroSpace | GoRK: Um, where did that come from? |
| 20:00:51 | Morn | he was talking to me |
| 20:01:08 | AeroSpace | Just checking my sanity. |
| 20:01:18 | Morn | it worked! |
| 20:01:20 | Morn | bounces! |
| 20:01:23 | GoRK | sorry yeah i did an /oops i thought it was supposed to say 'oops' out to whoever/whatever i sent the message to incorrectly |
| 20:01:59 | Morn | aparently the make file format doesn't like empty if fi combinations |
| 20:02:55 | GoRK | well that's probably bash that doesnt like it |
| 20:03:47 | Morn | GoRK: I've made wget a define (so it was easier to make it wget -c incase of a failed connection it would continue) |
| 20:03:58 | Morn | and I'm adding tuxphone daemon to the build |
| 20:04:06 | Morn | and I'm going to try to get the ppp stuff working right |
| 20:04:24 | GoRK | where are you wgetting tuxphone from? there is no tarball (yet?) |
| 20:04:37 | Morn | I got it out of cvs |
| 20:04:46 | Morn | I put the cvs commands in the Makefile |
| 20:04:52 | GoRK | oh ok |
| 20:05:21 | GoRK | do you have problems with tuxphone ringing? |
| 20:05:24 | Morn | it's just convient to actually be able to answer a call with the phone |
| 20:05:30 | Morn | no, it rings fine |
| 20:05:39 | GoRK | sounds like a normal phone and all? |
| 20:05:56 | Morn | it would be nice though if the line status light came on when another phone on the line was off hook (it did that with inferno) |
| 20:06:00 | Morn | GoRK: yeah |
| 20:06:45 | GoRK | ok well it's supposed to.. i have funny phone problems in this house anyway, so it wasnt exactly a suprise when it didnt work right for me, but anyway |
| 20:07:24 | Morn | it's just nice to know my roommate is on the phone before I pickup |
| 20:07:55 | GoRK | yeah i know what needs to go in there just havent had time to do it.. also the hold function doesnt work if you've tried to use it :) |
| 20:08:21 | GoRK | line status blinks when calls are on hold then goes on solid when an extension picks up |
| 20:08:50 | GoRK | i wonder if my ringing problems are the result of shanip2 |
| 20:58:01 | MicroChip32 | g'mornin BZFlag |
| 20:59:57 | BZFlag | heh, afternoon. |
| 20:59:57 | kernelwork | Hey, MicroChip32. Long time no see |
| 21:00:12 | MicroChip32 | mornin kernelwork, i been playing with my kernel driver ;) |
| 21:00:41 | GoRK | what does this kernel driver do |
| 21:01:02 | kernelwork | Isn't it obvious? It drives thekernel :) |
| 21:01:31 | kernelwork | I guess that's less funny seeing as thekernel is only in #ppclinux and not in here right now |
| 21:01:40 | MicroChip32 | GoRK: kernel DEVICE driver <G> i got my hands on a 16x4 character lcd display and decided to write a driver for it rather than have to code it all into a user prog |
| 21:02:04 | GoRK | ah cool. is it serial? |
| 21:02:14 | MicroChip32 | GoRK: parallel port |
| 21:02:24 | kernelwork | *gasp* doing things in the kernel where they should be done... |
| 21:02:34 | GoRK | i have some of the matrix orbital displays. they are pretty good |
| 21:02:41 | MicroChip32 | correction: parallel interface, i use the parallel port to access (rather than a direct data bus) |
| 21:03:50 | MicroChip32 | this one is from Point Six, ordered from jameco <$20 |
| 21:11:30 | AeroSpace | MicroChip32: shipping or does that include the LCD? |
| 21:12:09 | MicroChip32 | AeroSpace: the 20 is just the lcd |
| 21:15:52 | AeroSpace | Back to installing Linux on the TuxScreen after having my fun with keyboard repeate rates. It isn't often that X manages to surprise and impress me. |
| 21:16:50 | CosmicPenguin | AeroSpace: How often does it frustrate you? |
| 21:17:04 | MicroChip32 | bah! |
| 21:18:07 | MicroChip32 | anything since my last comment i lost, friggin pc locked up again |
| 21:18:38 | AeroSpace | I'm running 4.1.0-7 (release 7 for debian). Try this `xset r rate 1 255` |
| 21:19:38 | GoRK | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww tttttttttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttt iiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssss aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fffffffffffffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssttttttttttttttttt rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeppppppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttt |
| 21:19:58 | MicroChip32 | rotfl |
| 21:20:01 | AeroSpace | have fun getting rid of it! |
| 21:20:12 | AeroSpace | JJJJJJJJJJJJuuuuuuuuuuuussssstttttttttt sssssssssssooooooommmmmmmmeeeeeeeetttttttthhhhhhhhiiiiiiinnnnnggggggggnnnnnn IIIIIIII ffffffffooooooouuuuuuuuuunnnnnnndddddd bbbbbbbyyyy aaaaaaacccccccccccccccciiiiiiiidddddddeeeeeeennnnnttttttt........ |
| 21:20:12 | CosmicPenguin | Wow.. that was odd... I just got all this noise on my screen.... must have been a server glitch.... :-) |
| 21:20:35 | MicroChip32 | same here CosmicPenguin |
| 21:20:52 | MicroChip32 | must be ms users |
| 21:20:53 | AeroSpace | CosmicPenguin: nnoott aannyy gglliittcchh oonn tthhiiss ssiiddee ooff tthhiinnggss.. |
| 21:21:18 | GoRK | yyyeeessss iiiittt''''ssss hhaaarrrrddd tttoooo ggggeeettt ttooooo gggoooo aaawwwaaaayy |
| 21:21:22 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, I see.... you need to to turn local echo off.....:-) |
| 21:21:23 | AeroSpace | I run Linux! Try that from Windows it doesn't have xset! |
| 21:21:39 | AeroSpace | GoRK: use cut and paste with your mouse. |
| 21:22:07 | GoRK | hheehhee tthhaatt''ss wwhhaatt iimm ddooiinngg bbuutt ii ddoonntt kknnooww wwhhaatt tthhee nnuummbbeerrss ddoo!!!! |
| 21:22:12 | AeroSpace | CosmicPenguin: `xset r rate 1 255` |
| 21:22:28 | AeroSpace | GoRK; xset r rate 250 30 |
| 21:22:35 | CosmicPenguin | AeroSpace: I know..... |
| 21:22:44 | CosmicPenguin | Just having some fun..... |
| 21:22:51 | MicroChip32 | the first would be the delay before start repeat, the second would be how fast to repeat |
| 21:22:55 | AeroSpace | CosmicPenguin: So you tried it already? |
| 21:23:06 | GoRK | ok better now :) heh i had a keyboard poop the other day and i had to unplug it and plug it back in which killed my repeat rates |
| 21:23:12 | GoRK | i see how it works now thugh |
| 21:23:21 | AeroSpace | Except in practice it only repeated about 110 characters per second. |
| 21:23:53 | CosmicPenguin | AeroSpace: My laptop loses its repeat rate about once every 3 times that I suspend and restart... I know xset well.... |
| 21:24:46 | AeroSpace | CosmicPenguin: So do I, except today I got the numbers reversed and found out I can set the delay low and repeate rate high. I didn't know it was possible. |
| 21:25:12 | GoRK | hehehe i discovered that if i keep my repeat rate as high as i want it, i no longer have the ability to guess how long to hold down the backspace or arrow keys! |
| 21:25:50 | MicroChip32 | ive had my repeat rate at max and delay at min since the dos days |
| 21:25:51 | AeroSpace | I mean I thought it was always a hardware limitation, but I guess someone decided to code around that. I'm glad. |
| 21:26:08 | GoRK | brain timings i guess are pretty hard wired to 250ms,30/s |
| 21:26:59 | AeroSpace | GoRK: I know, but it is nice to know it is a choise, not an imposed limit. |
| 21:27:04 | GoRK | i always wanted about 200ms,45/s and now that i have it i hate it |
| 21:27:13 | GoRK | i shall force myself to conform |
| 21:27:26 | GoRK | i will code faster! |
| 21:27:32 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 21:28:10 | GoRK | i must deploy this company-wide. it will improve our customer response time by 20% and increase our capacity by 50%! |
| 21:28:26 | GoRK | yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssss! |
| 21:28:27 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: At least you can delete much faster..... |
| 21:28:34 | MicroChip32 | is rotfl |
| 21:29:31 | GoRK | ok i gotta run. we'll see how this all works out in the end later |
| 21:31:44 | MicroChip32 | l8r |
| 21:32:01 | AeroSpace | Interesting day... |
| 21:45:43 | CosmicPenguin | My life needs a kick in the butt... I just spent 20 minutes crafting an e-mail reviewing the Simpsons episode from last week.... *sigh* |
| 21:47:01 | prpplague | doh |
| 21:47:35 | prpplague | howdy andersee |
| 21:47:45 | prpplague | andersee: how did the trip go? |
| 21:49:43 | andersee | not too bad, but tiring |
| 21:50:01 | andersee | prpplague: any progress fighting X? |
| 21:54:09 | prpplague | andersee: which X problem?? |
| 21:54:38 | prpplague | andersee: you talking about the tinyx build? |
| 21:56:50 | andersee | yeah |
| 22:02:14 | prpplague | andersee: i wasn't sure how the other guys build went, but i was able to finish a tinyx for my yopy and my other project with no problems |
| 22:04:03 | andersee | using uClibc? |
| 22:04:56 | prpplague | andersee: no standard libc |
| 22:05:18 | andersee | Ahh. |
| 22:05:23 | prpplague | andersee: thats this weekend |
| 22:07:56 | prpplague | andersee: the other guy was compaining about some math libs that weren't compilied into uclibc, but he said that they appeared to be available when configured properly |
| 22:09:42 | prpplague | andersee: i'll probably find out what he was talking about this weekend |
| 22:16:29 | AlHazWork | I'd still like to see a typical size handheld with a 480x640 lcd on it. not for the detail, for the antialiasing. |
| 22:18:35 | prpplague | AlHazWork: thats what i'm working on |
| 22:19:11 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Thought you were working on something tablet sized |
| 22:19:21 | AlHazWork | Imean ipaq sized, but with 4x the dpi |
| 22:20:10 | prpplague | AlHazWork: well its a 50% bigger than an ipaq |
| 22:20:19 | AlHazWork | ah, that's not all that much larger |
| 22:20:29 | AlHazWork | not exactly something to shove in a pocket tho |
| 22:20:38 | AlHazWork | still, sounds cool |
| 22:21:05 | prpplague | AlHazWork: definitely no for a shirt pocket, but a lot better than a full sized laptop |
| 22:21:37 | prpplague | s/no/not |
| 22:22:36 | prpplague | AlHazWork: our final product will be just a little smaller than this - http://www.symbol.com/products/mobile_computers/mobile_pen_touch_ptc-2134.html |
| 22:28:49 | Tangent | BZFlag : What's the url for ibot's logs again? |
| 22:29:37 | jacquesZzZz | hi all |
| 22:29:50 | jacquesZzZz | andersee: !! |
| 22:29:56 | jacquesZzZz | hi Tangent :-D |
| 22:30:21 | Tangent | jacques_gone : Hi |
| 22:30:33 | jacquesZzZz | andersee: I got X to link |
| 22:30:46 | AlHazWork | cool |
| 22:30:53 | jacquesZzZz | andersee: I worked through some library problems and even am getting apps to link against the xlibs now |
| 22:31:51 | jacquesZzZz | andersee: main problems with libs/apps - cbrt hypot (easy to fix) and the harder ones - wctombs and buddies |
| 22:32:31 | jacquesZzZz | andersee: X has internal versions of the wctombs (multibyte char funcs) but if I tell it to use them, the protos collide with the ones in uClibc |
| 22:32:40 | jacquesZzZz | uClibc claims it has the funcs but doesn't |
| 22:32:49 | jacquesZzZz | so I had to hack a bit |
| 22:33:11 | jacquesZzZz | also - last night I got rxvt to compile/link against uclibc |
| 22:33:24 | jacquesZzZz | so now I have an x server and a terminal |
| 22:33:45 | jacquesZzZz | I tried swm but it's having some problem - probably related to fonts - my problem |
| 22:33:58 | jacquesZzZz | swm just exits immediately silently |
| 22:34:15 | jacquesZzZz | anyway - soon I will have X server, terminal, and a wm |
| 22:34:42 | jacquesZzZz | too bad uClibc doesn't do c++ - I would love to have fltk/flwm |
| 22:35:04 | jacquesZzZz | pauses to take a breath. |
| 22:35:44 | prpplague | jacquesZzZz: i've saving my beer money to bribe andersee on the C++ support |
| 22:35:57 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: I'll pitch in on that :-D |
| 22:36:20 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I tried to rebuild GCC like we talked, but it didn't like the headers still..... |
| 22:36:21 | prpplague | jacquesZzZz: i think andersee has a donation button on the uclibc page |
| 22:36:21 | jacquesZzZz | heard the announcer in his head "How much would *you* pay?" |
| 22:36:52 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: he needs one of those termometers - when the donations get to a certain point he does X |
| 22:37:02 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:37:04 | CosmicPenguin | Lots of nasty symbols with containing '_'s..... :( |
| 22:37:07 | jacquesZzZz | where X is c++ etc |
| 22:37:51 | jacquesZzZz | hmm, i gotta head to work |
| 22:37:59 | prpplague | jacquesZzZz: or a cow poop that rises up to andersee eyes? |
| 22:37:59 | jacquesZzZz | be on from there |
| 22:38:19 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: heh, strange image :-) |
| 22:38:43 | prpplague | jacquesZzZz: i.e. up to his eyes in sh@# |
| 22:39:14 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: I am realizing how many things want c++ :-( |
| 22:39:20 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: I prefer straight C myself |
| 22:39:38 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: IMHO fltk on the tuxscreen would rock |
| 22:39:59 | prpplague | jacquesZzZz: thats what i want as well |
| 22:40:37 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: I need to come up with a way to get my X stuff out for ppl to play with |
| 22:41:02 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: I am using an old (august) source tree because the later ones are broken in ccs |
| 22:41:25 | jacquesZzZz | prpplague: and the compressed source is 60MB so that's a little bit to distribute |
| 22:42:03 | jacquesZzZz | anyway, time to get dressed and go to work |
| 22:42:27 | CosmicPenguin | jacquesZzZz: I pray everyday for FLTK on the tuxscreen..... :) |
| 22:42:56 | jacquesZzZz | CosmicPenguin: sounds like there is enough interest - once uClilc can do c++, it's pretty much a slam dunk |
| 22:43:51 | jacquesZzZz | goes to take a shower. |
| 22:44:38 | prpplague | andersee: hope your happy, i'm going to either go without beer, or drink cheap just for c++ support! |
| 22:46:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Thats alot of cases of PBR..... |
| 22:46:05 | Morn | hi again |
| 22:46:22 | CosmicPenguin | See, if we had uclibc C++ support, I could fit Pixil in 4MB for Morn..... |
| 22:46:37 | Morn | smiles to see her name. |
| 22:47:30 | Morn | I'm afraid to open this one folder in Evolution over IMAP (it has 75k messages in it) |
| 22:48:30 | signal11 | go for it!! outlook 98 can only handle like 32766 messages per folder. i'm curious how evolution will do |
| 22:49:12 | Morn | 32767 sounds like the right number for Outlook |
| 22:49:26 | Morn | the folder is my PHP folder |
| 22:49:38 | Morn | I tend to read it on the mail server and not remotely |
| 22:50:39 | Morn | alright just for signal11 I opened the folder, I'll get back to you after it processes |
| 22:53:31 | andersee | I'm back. Was on the phone with the IRS |
| 22:53:41 | Morn | shudders. |
| 22:54:02 | Morn | still remembers when she was paying like $60k a year in taxes. |
| 22:54:06 | Morn | sighs. |
| 22:54:23 | andersee | Morn: fortunately, the IRS is a client. I'm writing some code for them. :) |
| 22:54:57 | andersee | jacquesZzZz: Wow! You got X to link! Excellent! |
| 22:56:35 | prpplague | andersee: hope your charging them double |
| 22:57:11 | andersee | heh. Well, the support contract will take care of that. :) |
| 22:57:46 | andersee | Too bad I still have to pay taxes on income earned from the IRS.... |
| 22:57:53 | andersee | That seems wrong |
| 22:57:55 | andersee | :) |
| 22:58:47 | signal11 | 60k in taxes? ouch |
| 22:58:57 | signal11 | were you an independent consultant or something? |
| 22:59:02 | Morn | yes |
| 22:59:09 | Morn | making $80 an hour |
| 22:59:12 | signal11 | they really stick it to you don't they. |
| 22:59:27 | signal11 | are you able to do your own withholding, or is that more of a pain than its worth |
| 22:59:45 | Morn | I paid quarterly on the taxes |
| 22:59:57 | Morn | now I'm not paying ANY taxes :-) |
| 23:00:13 | signal11 | out of work? |
| 23:00:20 | prpplague | Morn: ?? what living outside the country or something? |
| 23:00:23 | Morn | been on disability for the last 3 years |
| 23:00:40 | signal11 | oh that's unfortunate |
| 23:00:43 | Morn | hoping to get off it soon and back to working |
| 23:00:44 | prpplague | Morn: programmers elbow? |
| 23:00:44 | andersee | signal11: When you are an independent consultant, you have to make quarterly "estimated tax payments" and if you were off in your estimestes by more then 10%, you get extra fees... |
| 23:00:51 | Morn | prpplague: I wish |
| 23:01:23 | signal11 | andersee i see. they don't want to lose their interest; or risk having you blow your taxes on crack or something eh |
| 23:01:35 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Hell, if you misestimate your employer withholdings, you get hit with extra fees.... |
| 23:02:02 | signal11 | only if it's in your favor... if you overestimate they get the extra interest but don't penalize you, right? |
| 23:02:06 | signal11 | ianaa |
| 23:02:11 | andersee | taxes suck. But at leaks we don't live the the UK, where you pay about 80% or so... |
| 23:02:26 | Morn | this solaris box is gonna be the death of me |
| 23:02:59 | prpplague | andersee: and in the uk you can get a perscription for cocaine and other drinks at governement expense,lol |
| 23:03:03 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: If that one doesn't do it, I've got one here that will definately finish you off.... :) |
| 23:03:17 | Morn | giggles. |
| 23:03:30 | Morn | I wish I could get a decent linux distro for ultra sparc |
| 23:03:42 | Morn | but the gcc compiler just doesn't do 64bit sparc well |
| 23:03:48 | prpplague | Morn: solaris, argh, i've already had all the slow-arse i can stand |
| 23:03:57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sweet! Gimme a martini and two kamakazi's, and send the bill to the queen.... :) |
| 23:04:10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 23:04:56 | prpplague | whoa what a deal - http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1306178979 |
| 23:05:22 | Morn | for some reason after I edited /etc/power.conf and ran pmconfig the changes aren't taking affect |
| 23:05:32 | Morn | and I'm tired of turning the damn thing back on after it powers down |
| 23:06:10 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Yeah, but they're ia32 multias |
| 23:06:19 | AlHazWork | socket5 pentiums |
| 23:06:36 | AlHazWork | faster than the alpha version, sadly enough |
| 23:07:03 | prpplague | AlHazWork: doh, did read right, thought they were the alphas |
| 23:07:15 | prpplague | s/did/didn't |
| 23:07:43 | AlHazWork | the 233mhz alpha multia aint too bad. I have a 166mhz at home that's, well, I don't want it anymore. |
| 23:07:51 | CosmicPenguin | Thats funny.... NO OS, but then it says that it boots to a C:\ prompt..... |
| 23:08:02 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I saw that too |
| 23:08:06 | Morn | thought it was a little odd |
| 23:08:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i see that alot on ebay |
| 23:08:22 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe they think it's the BIOS? |
| 23:08:48 | prpplague | they would make nice thin clients |
| 23:09:04 | Morn | anyone here use Xnest? |
| 23:09:25 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Not a bad deal, if you have a use for it . . . |
| 23:09:27 | Morn | I want to make a thin client out of my SparcStation II |
| 23:09:44 | AlHazWork | well, them |
| 23:09:48 | prpplague | Morn: checkout www.ltsp.org |
| 23:10:04 | Morn | prpplague: I've seen that... not sure it runs on sparc though |
| 23:10:42 | prpplague | Morn: seems like i saw a build for the sparc a few months back |
| 23:10:42 | Morn | and the SSII has a hard drive... |
| 23:10:47 | BZFlag | Tangent: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ they are still not channel split, and I don't have an easy way to process the new logs only. |
| 23:10:53 | AlHazWork | on sun4c boxes, openbsd will give you a quicker userland & xserver |
| 23:10:59 | AlHazWork | than linux, I mean |
| 23:11:08 | BZFlag | Tangent: so no cron job yet either. |
| 23:11:14 | AlHazWork | it's just more mature, plus linux hackers don't give a damn about sun4c |
| 23:11:27 | Morn | this is a sun4u sparc (UltarSparc AXi) |
| 23:11:37 | AlHazWork | Morn: Thought you said sparc 2 |
| 23:11:46 | Morn | I have a SS 2 also |
| 23:11:55 | Morn | it needs a nvram chip as well |
| 23:11:57 | Morn | sorry... |
| 23:12:01 | AlHazWork | ah |
| 23:12:05 | prpplague | anyone here have experience with external radi cabinets? |
| 23:12:05 | Morn | I'm talking in too many directions |
| 23:12:34 | Morn | AlHazWork: Yeah, I heard that BSD runs better on the older sparc machines |
| 23:12:54 | Morn | I tried OpenBSD on this box, but had trouble with the ports compiles |
| 23:13:08 | Morn | and gave up and went back to Solaris 8 |
| 23:13:08 | AlHazWork | i have a sparc 2 with 64 megs of ram doing nothing |
| 23:13:13 | AlHazWork | anybody want it? I'll throw in a cgsix |
| 23:13:16 | Morn | but I hate Solaris |
| 23:13:20 | AlHazWork | and a 1gb scsi drive |
| 23:13:22 | Morn | raises her hand. |
| 23:13:37 | AlHazWork | Morn: make me an offer |
| 23:13:48 | Morn | AlHazWork: let me get dinner and we'll talk |
| 23:13:56 | AlHazWork | ok |
| 23:14:21 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: I'll take it. ;-) |
| 23:14:44 | AlHazWork | hehe |
| 23:14:47 | BZFlag | don't suppose you have the sun monitor that came with it? ;-) |
| 23:14:53 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: Yes i do |
| 23:15:04 | BZFlag | but not part of the offer? |
| 23:15:10 | AlHazWork | sony gdb1662b or somesuch |
| 23:15:24 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: Sure, but shipping will be a PITA for anyone out of the state |
| 23:15:28 | prpplague | BZFlag: seems like i have some sun monitors in storage, are they worth anything? |
| 23:15:56 | AlHazWork | I think i even have a type 4 keyboard & mouse & mousepad to go with it too |
| 23:16:00 | BZFlag | I like sun monitors, and I think I can walk over to AlHazWork's cube to pick one up. |
| 23:16:08 | BZFlag | the shipping would be a lot though. |
| 23:16:17 | AlHazWork | they weigh a ton |
| 23:16:20 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 23:16:21 | AlHazWork | and are quite bulky |
| 23:17:03 | AlHazWork | I also have a newer 17" sun monitor that's a bit on the green side. I've been told that the red gun is prolly failing |
| 23:17:23 | BZFlag | that happens. |
| 23:17:28 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 23:17:31 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Don't we need a new sun box? |
| 23:17:36 | EGg0 | BZFlag: Just got my laptop back from Dell with a new motherboard. Wanted to confirm to you that it wasn't anything to do with the Tux, but was my laptop's serial port. |
| 23:17:48 | EGg0 | THanks for your help trying to troubleshoot. |
| 23:17:59 | EGg0 | (Now I start to play :-) |
| 23:18:03 | BZFlag | working now? |
| 23:18:30 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: I need to count sparcstations I think i might have two ss10's that aren't doing anything, and i only need one as a spare for my server |
| 23:18:38 | AlHazWork | if i have two, I wanna get rid of the other |
| 23:18:44 | signal11 | cosmicpenguin we need sun, AIX, and an AS/400 |
| 23:18:48 | BZFlag | anyone know the pinout names for the holly jtag dongle? |
| 23:19:06 | AlHazWork | would come with one slow sorry cpu, tho |
| 23:19:06 | EGg0 | I'm plugging it in to install linux tomarrow, but the serial port works now with iPAQ. |
| 23:19:19 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: free hardware always welcome. cheap hardware sometime welcome. ;-) |
| 23:19:25 | AlHazWork | hehe |
| 23:19:26 | BZFlag | EGg0: nice. |
| 23:19:59 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: I'm trying to figure out how many cubic feet of hadware i can unload on my older brother for xmas without getting on his wife's bad side |
| 23:22:16 | scanline | is back (gone 04:27:55) |
| 23:23:15 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: heh, try a garage full of phones sometime. ;-) |
| 23:23:39 | andersee | heh |
| 23:27:05 | CosmicPenguin | Those boxes on Ebay would be nice for home multimedia.. XMMS and such... |
| 23:28:33 | AlHazWork | p100 is barely fast enough tho |
| 23:28:58 | AlHazWork | maybe if you crammed in one of those upgrade cpus . . . . |
| 23:29:20 | CosmicPenguin | It would be more expensive to buy the upgrade CPU.... :) |
| 23:29:27 | AlHazWork | yes |
| 23:33:05 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: which boxes on ebay? |
| 23:33:19 | prpplague | whoa what a deal - http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1306178979 |
| 23:33:31 | prpplague | andersee: those |
| 23:35:24 | andersee | I'll pass. |
| 23:35:52 | andersee | I've got at least 8 Linux running computers in my office at the moment -- last thing I need is 5 more... |
| 23:35:55 | andersee | :) |
| 23:36:26 | jacques_gone | I have 6 or 7 |
| 23:36:35 | jacques | hi andersee |
| 23:36:47 | andersee | howdy |
| 23:37:04 | andersee | jacques! You got X to link, I see! Excellent! |
| 23:37:21 | jacques | andersee: yep |
| 23:37:32 | jacques | andersee: I'm not sure you want to know how I did it |
| 23:39:14 | andersee | Well, I do actually. |
| 23:39:26 | andersee | I want things to work -- out of the box, so to speak |
| 23:40:05 | jacques | andersee: well ok |
| 23:40:25 | jacques | andersee: remember how the complaint was "undefined reference to main()" ? |
| 23:40:47 | andersee | yep |
| 23:41:35 | jacques | andersee: there is a file main.o which has the main() func - the way X builds is that it makes lots of libs (.a) from .o files and then tries to link all the .a's at the end |
| 23:42:07 | jacques | andersee: so main.o was in a .a file in something like dix/xfuncs.a |
| 23:42:37 | jacques | andersee: all I did to get around that problem was add dix/main.o before dix/xfuncs.a in the link line |
| 23:43:00 | jacques | andersee: so techincally I guess main is in there twice, but it doesn't complain |
| 23:43:19 | jacques | andersee: so - would uclibc have a problem when the main() is in a .a ? |
| 23:45:55 | andersee | shouldn't... |
| 23:46:12 | jacques | andersee: well that worked |
| 23:46:43 | andersee | Very cool. I assume this was the tiny X version? How big is it? |
| 23:47:14 | jacques | andersee: also, the libm in the buildroot image does not include cbrt or hypot |
| 23:47:27 | jacques | andersee: I just built the C99 libm and that solved that |
| 23:47:44 | jacques | andersee: the wctombs funcs are a ibgger problem |
| 23:47:50 | andersee | Ahh. We should enable that in the default build. |
| 23:48:07 | jacques | libm goes from 21kB to 55kB |
| 23:48:23 | jacques | theoretically we could just add hypot - X can build with an internal cbrt |
| 23:48:24 | andersee | Right. I think we can deal with the increase. |
| 23:48:54 | andersee | true |
| 23:49:29 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 714976 Dec 4 06:34 Xfbdev* |
| 23:49:32 | andersee | Tell me about wctombs. Like what is it? |
| 23:49:48 | andersee | not too bad at all. |
| 23:49:59 | andersee | esp when compressed on jffs2 |
| 23:50:04 | prpplague | jacques: nice |
| 23:50:06 | jacques | it's one of the multi-byte char funcs - for use in internationalization |
| 23:50:21 | andersee | ahh |
| 23:50:26 | andersee | wide char stuff |
| 23:50:31 | jacques | X has internal versions |
| 23:50:56 | jacques | I finally got X to use the internal versions and hacked a .h file in uclibc to comment out the protos |
| 23:51:11 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 925678 Dec 4 06:24 libX11.so.6.2* |
| 23:51:11 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 62174 Dec 4 06:48 libXext.so.6.4* |
| 23:51:11 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 31689 Dec 4 06:50 libXi.so.6.0* |
| 23:51:11 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 11752 Dec 4 07:14 libXmuu.so.1.0* |
| 23:51:11 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 8626 Dec 4 07:00 libXrandr.so.1.0* |
| 23:51:11 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 16186 Dec 4 06:50 libXrender.so.1.0* |
| 23:51:13 | jacques | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fontenot fontenot 20050 Dec 4 06:50 libXtst.so.6.1* |
| 23:51:20 | jacques | for the curious |
| 23:51:44 | jacques | I dont think thse are stripped - not sure if/how to strip .so's |
| 23:51:51 | andersee | Try also doing a 'du -ch libX*' |
| 23:51:57 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: strip --notused |
| 23:52:39 | andersee | jacques: Also add --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment |
| 23:53:49 | andersee | jacques: So the command will be 'strip -x --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment <FILE>' |
| 23:54:09 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: --notused doesn't get the .note and .comment sections? |
| 23:54:17 | andersee | nope |
| 23:54:29 | CosmicPenguin | Damn... good to know.... |
| 23:54:32 | andersee | Not unless they've changed it recently |
| 23:54:33 | Morn | signal11: evolution opens larger folders just fine :-) |
| 23:54:47 | andersee | So it leaves in all those tedious GNU strings |
| 23:54:52 | signal11 | excellent! |
| 23:55:13 | signal11 | how does it compare to kmail? i have become quite a kmail fanatic since they added imap |
| 23:55:27 | signal11 | it's speedy |
| 23:55:29 | Morn | I haven't used kmail |
| 23:55:41 | Morn | I was a mutt fanatic before finding evolution |
| 23:55:59 | andersee | Morn: Hows Evoluton compare to mutt? |
| 23:56:12 | andersee | Morn: Does it use libmutt? |
| 23:56:14 | Morn | it's hard to compare a cli client to a gui one |
| 23:56:30 | Morn | mutt is very nice for ssh sessions |
| 23:56:44 | Morn | but if you have X running then Evolution is nice |
| 23:56:51 | Morn | mutt is more configurable though |
| 23:56:58 | Morn | but some of the evolution stuff is nice |
| 23:57:14 | andersee | Morn: can you drive evolution without the mouse? |
| 23:57:24 | andersee | Morn: i hate having to mouse around |
| 23:57:38 | Morn | andersee: like most graphics apps for the most part, but some things don't have shortcuts |
| 23:59:03 | Morn | I love etherape, but it can be a real resource hog (using 99% of one cpu) |