| 01:44:15 | jacques_ | i think i just had a small break-through |
| 01:44:36 | jacques_ | anyone familiar with the functions cbtr and hypot ? |
| 01:44:59 | jacques_ | d'oh - just remembered to check man |
| 01:45:12 | jacques_ | cbrt is a GNU extension. |
| 01:45:15 | jacques_ | D'OH |
| 01:45:41 | jacques_ | now my link is only complaining about cbrt and hypot |
| 01:47:05 | jacques_ | which makes a heck of a lot moe sense |
| 02:02:38 | Sammy | ~o ~hi ~yo |
| 02:05:24 | Morn | where do I find the tuxphone daemon? |
| 02:31:41 | jacques_ | hey |
| 02:31:46 | jacques_ | that makes little sense |
| 02:32:03 | jacques_ | i bet cfree is ocmpiled with tons of differnt libcs - and not all have cbrt |
| 02:32:06 | jacques_ | hmg |
| 02:45:50 | Morn | anyone around? |
| 02:54:21 | Morn | hi prpplague |
| 02:54:47 | prpplague | howdy morn |
| 02:55:05 | prpplague | Morn: hacking picogui late into the evening? |
| 02:55:05 | Morn | can you access the cvs at sourceforge for tuxscreen? |
| 02:55:18 | Morn | is always hacking late into the evening. |
| 02:55:34 | prpplague | Morn: i'm on a friends winblows box |
| 02:55:40 | Morn | 'k |
| 02:56:05 | Morn | I'm getting a weird error... it keeps saying that I used an empty password, but I'm supposed to use an empty password |
| 02:57:16 | prpplague | Morn: hmm i'v had that problem when behind a firewall |
| 02:57:33 | Morn | I am behind a firewall, but it worked last night fine |
| 02:58:34 | jacques_ | ok, I know andersee's gone but does anyone remember what he was saying a few days ago about the new math library in uclibc? |
| 02:59:28 | prpplague | jacques: nothing specific other than some high end math functions were not supported |
| 02:59:41 | jacques_ | prpplague: do you remembre why? |
| 03:00:21 | prpplague | jacques: because those could be implement with the use of the existing math functions as inline functions |
| 03:00:29 | prpplague | IIRC |
| 03:01:20 | prpplague | Morn: you use picogui a lot? |
| 03:01:28 | jacques_ | prpplague: hmmmm ) am looking at the source I have and there are a couple of functions which X needs which are not built into the lib |
| 03:01:36 | jacques_ | prpplague: but they are there in source form |
| 03:02:27 | Morn | prpplague: no just getting started |
| 03:02:40 | BZFlag | jacques_: compile a list and send em to andersee |
| 03:02:45 | jacques_ | looks like I just need to define DO_C99_MATH |
| 03:02:55 | jacques_ | BZFlag: the list is cbrt and hypot |
| 03:03:17 | jacques_ | BZFlag: maybe buildroot is building the small version of libm for space reasons |
| 03:03:46 | BZFlag | ok, send em to andersee ;-) perhaps we are building the small version. I have not looked since andersee hacked it in. |
| 03:04:03 | jacques_ | BZFlag: will do |
| 03:04:07 | BZFlag | It would be very cool to add tinyx to the buildroot though. ;-) |
| 03:04:08 | Morn | Tim: is there a problem accessing cvs behind a firewall with sourceforge? |
| 03:04:20 | BZFlag | Morn: export CVS_RSH=ssh ? |
| 03:04:49 | BZFlag | or anonymous? anon needs port 2401 outgoing. it does not require identd or anything. |
| 03:04:50 | Morn | it said that was only for developers so I assumed I had to be listed as a developer on the project |
| 03:05:03 | jacques_ | BZFlag: I'm getting closer |
| 03:05:08 | BZFlag | yeah. a developer or anonymous. |
| 03:05:27 | BZFlag | morn got a SF account? |
| 03:05:46 | BZFlag | Morn: I can add you to SF if you just want read access over ssh |
| 03:05:49 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'd like to see a nice build of tinyx as well on the buildroot, i'm using the buildroot on two other ARM boards |
| 03:06:01 | jacques_ | I told X not tu use cbrt, but it still wants hypot - no define for that |
| 03:06:13 | Morn | tries to remember her sourceforge account... I created it like forever ago |
| 03:06:13 | BZFlag | prpplague: sweet! I'm planning a new one this week too. |
| 03:06:40 | BZFlag | er need to modularize it a bit better so that packages are easy to add etc. |
| 03:07:44 | Morn | that's funny, my sourceforge account is juliacase |
| 03:07:48 | Morn | who would have guessed |
| 03:07:51 | prpplague | BZFlag: it'll get there, buildroot is a nice item for embedded, nice tools tend to evolve into even better products |
| 03:10:08 | Morn | has anyone used PIXIL on the iPAQ? |
| 03:11:35 | prpplague | Morn: not me, i'l still playing with my yopy.... |
| 03:12:03 | BZFlag | Morn: so do you think you need ssh for SF then as juliacase ? |
| 03:12:34 | Morn | Tim: please |
| 03:14:59 | BZFlag | Morn: done. |
| 03:15:11 | GPSFan | BZFlag: Hi, will you be shipping Tuxes tomorrow? I ordered another this am. |
| 03:16:10 | Morn | thanks |
| 03:16:53 | Russ|tux | it will be so nice to be done for the semester |
| 03:17:37 | BZFlag | GPSFan: yes. tonight is a boxing night, and tomorrow morning is shipping. |
| 03:18:09 | BZFlag | cya |
| 03:18:13 | GPSFan | BZFlag: ;>) good, hope mine will be going out then, thanks. |
| 03:23:48 | Russ|tux | exit |
| 03:38:19 | jacques_ | I got tinyx to link |
| 04:03:23 | Morn | well, I have a gui and I can make and answer calls again |
| 04:03:27 | Morn | I'd say it was a good night |
| 05:03:34 | Morn | is away: laying down a bit |
| 06:38:16 | Morn | anyone here us familiar? |
| 06:49:59 | BZFlag | sometimes. try #handhelds.org or #familiar? ;-) |
| 07:05:13 | jacques | zmodem is cool |
| 07:05:15 | jacques | heh heh |
| 07:07:34 | BZFlag | that's why we include it in the buildroot. ;-) |
| 07:07:53 | BZFlag | nite all. |
| 07:12:14 | GoRK | lalala i am back |
| 07:12:59 | GoRK | Morn: the apps build but dont currently show up in the menu :) |
| 07:14:02 | GoRK | its omnibar's fault. the path to the menu dir is hard coded |
| 07:14:41 | jacques | damn just missed him |
| 07:14:49 | jacques | anyone here tell me how to use tscal? |
| 07:18:24 | GoRK | tscal the old microwindows app or tscal the kernel module? |
| 07:18:56 | jacques | sorry - the kernel module |
| 07:19:46 | GoRK | i could never get it to work so i wrote a new input driver for picogui. even if you do get it working it doesnt provide the pen up detection like the old kernel module or eliminate jitter. i just does coordinate translation |
| 07:20:03 | jacques | hmg |
| 07:20:16 | jacques | not extremely useful then - a hack |
| 07:20:17 | GoRK | you got tinyx running, right? |
| 07:20:25 | jacques | GoRK: i got it to link |
| 07:20:37 | jacques | and I can get it to start up kinda |
| 07:20:52 | jacques | I tried it on a 2.4.16 machine and it bails because it cant find the ts device |
| 07:20:56 | GoRK | well it could be made useful, but it's probably just as easy to write a new input driver that does the same coordinate translation in userspace |
| 07:20:58 | jacques | now I am going to try it on a 2.4.7 machine |
| 07:21:42 | GoRK | besides, not writing a new input driver will just prolong the problem since rmk doesnt seem keen on changing the api until there is a firm standard for touchscreens |
| 07:22:31 | jacques | hmm I get same error on 2.4.7 |
| 07:22:40 | jacques | I must have built it to look for wrong device |
| 07:24:10 | GoRK | my driver is at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/ucb1x00.c if you want to take a look |
| 07:25:54 | jacques | thanks I will |
| 07:26:12 | jacques | hmm, a couple of symlinks got it to put the initial screen up at least |
| 07:26:42 | jacques | heh, and the calibration is perfect |
| 07:26:58 | jacques | now I need to get that machine on the net and try to display some apps |
| 07:27:07 | jacques | hmmm - it needs fronts too |
| 07:27:09 | jacques | fonts |
| 07:28:04 | jacques | so how do you use your driver - is it integrated into picogui? |
| 07:28:10 | jacques | or is it a userspace daemon |
| 07:28:18 | GoRK | yes in picogui |
| 07:28:35 | jacques | nod |
| 07:59:18 | jacques | BZFlag: I have X running |
| 08:36:17 | BZFlag | jacques: on uclibc? sweet! |
| 08:36:34 | BZFlag | brb |
| 08:53:28 | jacques | BZFlag: yes |
| 08:56:30 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZz |
| 08:58:31 | BZFlag | sweet. what was the magic? just full libm? |
| 08:58:32 | jacques | BZFlag: now if I could only get libX11 to not want some multibyte char funcs... |
| 08:58:44 | BZFlag | heh. that would be nice. huh? |
| 08:59:01 | jacques | BZFlag: more than that - I made several changes to my config files - I have them but dont remember all off-hand |
| 08:59:02 | BZFlag | stub em to nothing in a .c file? |
| 08:59:16 | BZFlag | but no source changes? |
| 08:59:27 | jacques | BZFlag: right no source changes |
| 08:59:35 | BZFlag | sweet. nice job. |
| 08:59:48 | jacques | BZFlag: oh - the other big one was I had to config it to not build threaded |
| 08:59:57 | jacques | hmm - maybe that was for the libs... |
| 09:00:23 | jacques | I had a bunch of symbols not found - threads, math, and multi-byte char |
| 09:00:29 | jacques | now I am down to multi-byte |
| 09:00:31 | jacques | in the libs |
| 09:00:51 | jacques | i damn |
| 09:01:00 | BZFlag | we need to find a port as simple a pthreads package as we can find. some uclibc changes will be needed too. |
| 09:01:09 | jacques | I just remembered that I didnt move over the bigger libm |
| 09:01:16 | jacques | heh, it's still working tho |
| 09:01:41 | jacques | I am afraid the mb funcs may not be a good idea to stub out |
| 09:01:57 | jacques | I need to try to tell it not ti use them - or to use it's own versions - which I think it has |
| 09:02:03 | jacques | but the defines are so comvoluted... |
| 09:02:54 | jacques | this is what I am down to on the apps: |
| 09:02:57 | jacques | ../../exports/lib/libX11.so: undefined reference to `wctomb' |
| 09:03:00 | jacques | ../../exports/lib/libX11.so: undefined reference to `mblen' |
| 09:03:00 | jacques | ../../exports/lib/libX11.so: undefined reference to `__ctype_get_mb_cur_max' |
| 09:03:00 | jacques | ../../exports/lib/libX11.so: undefined reference to `mbtowc' |
| 09:03:28 | jacques | BTW, libm went from 21kB to 55kB when I built the full version |
| 09:03:38 | jacques | tho I really only need 2 funcs... |
| 09:05:13 | jacques | I have xscreensaver displaying over the network to my tux right now |
| 09:05:46 | jacques | BTW this is on a 2.4.7 kernel - I think something will have to be done for it to work on the new ts driver |
| 15:12:50 | | BZFlag was last seen on #blob 5 hours, 51 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: nite [Tue Dec 4 09:21:25 2001] |
| 15:12:50 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: seen BZFlag? |
| 15:13:09 | | wish i knew, cosmicpenguin |
| 15:13:09 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: see AlHazWork? |
| 15:13:14 | | AlHazWork was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 days, 15 hours, 42 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: tried gv? [Thu Nov 29 23:30:18 2001] |
| 15:13:14 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: seen AlHazWork? |
| 15:31:32 | DrXenon | anybody know what might cause white noise in the receive chain of an out-of-the-box tuxscreen? somehow, when i use the handset to speak to the other party, he can hear me fine, but the tuxscreen handset speaker is putting out white-ish noise at a level that almost drowns out the speech. |
| 15:32:17 | DrXenon | btw, i have adsl on the line i plug the tuxscreen into. |
| 15:35:54 | Morn | morning everyone |
| 15:36:42 | Morn | Hi Russ |
| 15:39:04 | Morn | is back (gone 10:35:22) |
| 15:47:32 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:49:18 | prpplague | Morn: morning, still having picoqui fun? |
| 15:49:51 | Morn | yes |
| 15:49:53 | boodle | is away: "So little to do, so much time... strike that, reverse it!" -- W. Wonka |
| 15:49:56 | Morn | I'm enjoying myself. |
| 15:50:12 | Morn | I'm also messing around with linux on the iPAQ again (did a while back but am doing it again) |
| 15:53:04 | Morn | pixil was nice though... I might put that back on |
| 15:57:09 | CosmicPenguin | Argh - Some car alarm is going off right next to the building - its been going for 15 minutes minimum..... |
| 15:58:48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: start throwing your excess AOL cds at it! |
| 15:59:44 | signal11 | headphones |
| 15:59:51 | signal11 | i can loan you mine |
| 16:02:52 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Its right by my office.... loud as hell... |
| 16:03:11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I used my AOL cds to wall paper my den..... :) |
| 16:04:02 | Morn | anyone know how hard it would be to port pixil to the tuxscreen? |
| 16:04:41 | Morn | the nice thing about working where I live is I live in the middle of no where, no car alarms to go off |
| 16:06:19 | prpplague | Morn: i'm not familiar with pixil but if it runs on the ipaq you should be able to run on the tuxscreen with maybe only changes to the screen size |
| 16:07:15 | Morn | it runs on the iPAQ and it is pretty nice |
| 16:08:14 | prpplague | Morn: i've thanks most apps i've tried are binary compatible on my ipaq, yopy, elf, and tuxscreen |
| 16:09:40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll see if I can make a tuxscreen version of Pixil.... Unfortunately, its gonna have to be binary only.... :( |
| 16:10:01 | Morn | I see the pixil sdk needs to be purchased... |
| 16:10:03 | Morn | frowns. |
| 16:10:28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why's that? is pixil a commercial product? |
| 16:11:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yes and no.... there are two layers - Pixil OE which is the underlaying infrastructure - that will be open (in fact, there is an older version available right now).... |
| 16:11:44 | CosmicPenguin | But the applications will probably only be a commercial product..... |
| 16:11:44 | signal11 | oe == operating environment |
| 16:11:47 | signal11 | ? |
| 16:12:38 | CosmicPenguin | Right... |
| 16:13:32 | CosmicPenguin | The applications being the PIM suite... the browser is already available, and a few of the games are too.... |
| 16:13:32 | signal11 | trying to find the right balance like ximian. |
| 16:13:33 | prpplague | shows his ignorance of commercial products |
| 16:14:00 | CosmicPenguin | I should definately be able to get the screentop on the tuxscreen with no problems.... Unfortunately, a few of the apps are C++ based, so I'll have to stick those on a CF.... |
| 16:15:54 | Morn | seems mozilla is supporting microwindows (the underlying window system for pixil) |
| 16:16:35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we you say the apps are C# based, you mean that you have to create them static, or link them with libc insteas of uclibc? |
| 16:23:38 | prpplague | i know you guys probably do use it, but yahoo messenger for windows newest version is totally down, the linux version works fine |
| 16:27:27 | Morn | it appears that the tuxphone daemon doesn't show when another extension has the phone off the hook, like the old OS did |
| 16:29:39 | signal11 | prpplague i believe its' the linking with libc |
| 16:32:26 | prpplague | signal11: i'm hoping we can get andersee to finish the c# support soon |
| 16:32:37 | prpplague | signal11: on uclibc that is |
| 16:33:35 | Morn | I just realized why my bedroom seems so crowded... I have 2 desktops, a laptop, 4 handhelds and a tuxscreen all scattered around my desk... |
| 16:33:55 | prpplague | Morn: which handhelds do you have? |
| 16:34:14 | Morn | Palm Pilot Pro, Visor Prism, LinuxDA, iPAQ 3635 |
| 16:34:22 | kernelwork | Morning all |
| 16:34:31 | Morn | hi KernelWork |
| 16:34:39 | prpplague | Morn: hmm can you run linux on the visor prism? |
| 16:34:49 | Morn | prpplague: no, the rom is not flashable |
| 16:35:06 | Morn | I like the Prism though as a Palm device |
| 16:35:11 | Morn | nice color |
| 16:35:19 | prpplague | Morn: thats what i thought |
| 16:35:38 | prpplague | Morn: i just see the use of a handheld unless you can put custom apps on it |
| 16:35:58 | Morn | I have a lot of custom apps for the Prism |
| 16:36:10 | Morn | and I have a wireless modem for it (but it's really slow) |
| 16:36:27 | Morn | it's more usefull to use the iPAQ with the cell phone attachment I have |
| 16:36:49 | Morn | with WinCE and PocketIE my roommate was searching the web while we sat in a coffee house in Portland, OR |
| 16:36:54 | signal11 | prpplague c#? not c++? |
| 16:36:56 | Morn | she was like "I could get used to this" |
| 16:37:14 | prpplague | signal11: sorry, typo i ment c++ |
| 16:37:21 | signal11 | ok, just checking |
| 16:37:24 | prpplague | signal11: brain isn't mounted this morning |
| 16:37:51 | signal11 | heh. |
| 16:38:10 | signal11 | i can't really get used to touch screens. i'm seriously considering hooking up a serial track ball to the tux screen |
| 16:38:25 | Morn | pixil oe doesn't like to compile under gcc 3.0.2 (like a lot of C++ stuff) |
| 16:38:26 | signal11 | it's good for small amounts of use, but bad for vegetating on the couch & surfing |
| 16:38:56 | prpplague | signal11: are you going to build a second com port? |
| 16:39:04 | Morn | I guess being a long time user of handhelds I'm used to it |
| 16:39:13 | Morn | I got the Palm Pilot Pro when it first came out |
| 16:39:51 | signal11 | prpplague i'll have to sacrifice the console. i suppose i'll want to mount / from a cf card. |
| 16:40:03 | signal11 | so I can have a version that still has a console |
| 16:40:15 | signal11 | it's just a thought at this point |
| 16:40:16 | prpplague | signal11: ohh come on, be a brave soul and make yourself a com2 |
| 16:40:30 | signal11 | is it possible? |
| 16:41:16 | signal11 | is there a such thing as a 3v pcmcia serial port? sounds ludicrous |
| 16:41:36 | prpplague | signal11: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//ShanIP232 |
| 16:42:47 | signal11 | col |
| 16:42:49 | signal11 | cool |
| 16:43:42 | Morn | all those rainbow colored wires... |
| 16:44:38 | signal11 | i'm not cool enough to perform that hack |
| 16:45:03 | signal11 | better to just mount / from a cf card |
| 16:47:00 | CosmicPenguin | stupid meetings... what a waste of time |
| 16:47:32 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Do you have a utility that makes a .m3u from a directory? |
| 16:47:57 | signal11 | no, but they are just plain text; it should be easy to create one |
| 16:48:33 | signal11 | stop working and give me a status report on why you're behind schedule! |
| 16:48:54 | signal11 | in power point! |
| 16:48:59 | prpplague | doh |
| 16:49:33 | Morn | When I was working for big companies I regularly avoided meetings so I could get real work done |
| 16:49:38 | Morn | got me in trouble more than once |
| 16:50:04 | prpplague | Morn: sometimes i come in and don't even clockin, and forward all my calls to someone else |
| 16:50:33 | Morn | I found I got more work done on the weekends than I did during the week... |
| 16:50:51 | Morn | A few times I worked the whole weekend (straight) just to get a project done |
| 16:51:01 | Morn | nothing like 80+ hour coding sessions |
| 16:55:03 | Morn | I'm going in search of lunch, bbl |
| 16:55:07 | Morn | is away: foraging for food... |
| 17:17:54 | Morn | I think I would like to consildate my gui development to the pixil system, so if we can get it working on the tux screen that would be great |
| 17:19:03 | AlHazWork | pixil? |
| 17:19:26 | Morn | it's a embedded development system |
| 17:19:31 | Morn | http://www.censoft.com |
| 17:19:38 | Morn | I'm running it on my iPAQ now |
| 17:20:11 | Morn | and CosmicPenguin said it shouldn't be hard to get it working on the TuxScreen |
| 17:20:40 | prpplague | Morn: find anyhting good to eat? |
| 17:21:03 | Morn | prpplague: just had leftover turkey soup I made the other night |
| 17:21:26 | Morn | one of these days I'm gonna make PA Dutch style Chicken Pot Pie (I roll the noodles by hand) |
| 17:23:47 | kernelwork | has some pixil bugs to fix. |
| 17:24:16 | prpplague | Morn: sounds good |
| 17:25:00 | Morn | I trained as a cook when I was younger (Neils the guy I trained under, was heart broken when I told him I was gonna program computers instead of cook) |
| 17:25:27 | prpplague | Morn: lol |
| 17:25:40 | kernelwork | I can cook, I'm just too lazy to... |
| 17:26:14 | prpplague | Morn: strange enough, i find a lot of computer ppl either are into music or into cooking |
| 17:27:21 | Morn | I kinda burned out on it though... cooking professionaly for 5 years while I struggled to get into computers full time |
| 17:27:35 | Morn | It's hard being female and having no degree to get jobs as a programmer |
| 17:29:38 | prpplague | Morn: i can understand that |
| 17:29:56 | Morn | so in '92 I started my own company and did it myself |
| 17:30:01 | Morn | it got me in the door |
| 17:30:37 | prpplague | cool |
| 17:31:10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Thats so true... I love to cook.... |
| 17:31:12 | kernelwork | Morn: any particular specialty? |
| 17:31:28 | Morn | cooking or programming :-) |
| 17:31:38 | kernelwork | D) All of the above :) |
| 17:31:42 | Morn | I tend to cook old style stuff (PA Dutch cooking) |
| 17:32:15 | Morn | and my original training was in a 4 star Danish resturant |
| 17:32:26 | Morn | I'm pretty mean with a knife in the kitchen |
| 17:32:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm into cooking like my computers: try to make something great out of unconvetional items |
| 17:32:56 | Morn | and programming, I like to do it all... |
| 17:33:17 | Morn | though I'm spending a lot of time doing handheld work these days |
| 17:33:46 | Morn | I may not be able to make the SyncUP conference in Boston on Thursday... no money in the bank account :-( |
| 17:34:08 | kernelwork | What languages and API's do you use? |
| 17:34:48 | Morn | kernelwork: I use c/c++/pascal/asm/perl/php/vb/modula 2 |
| 17:35:44 | Morn | my very first program was written by putting hex code directly into the monitor in an old apple computer |
| 17:35:57 | Morn | I figured it out by reading the disassembly of the roms in the back of the manual |
| 17:35:59 | kernelwork | Cool |
| 17:36:14 | kernelwork | My first program was hello.c :) |
| 17:36:45 | kernelwork | I only do C/C++/php |
| 17:36:52 | kernelwork | I did VB once, but never again... |
| 17:36:57 | Morn | I managed to re-write a lot of the disk os on the apple to avoid the built in copy stuff... |
| 17:37:08 | Morn | kernelwork: I did vb for a while because it helped pay the bills |
| 17:37:19 | Morn | vb/vc++ stuff was paying me $80 an hour |
| 17:38:01 | kernelwork | Wow, all that easy to use stuff sure costs companies alot of money :) |
| 17:38:34 | kernelwork | Morn: Do you have an iPAQ with pixil handy? |
| 17:38:39 | Morn | some of what I did wasn't so easy... it was a compilcated project... and this was '94-96 and the NT API wasn't very well done yet... |
| 17:38:56 | Morn | kernelwork: I'm re-installing pixil on it right now... I was messing with some different stuff last night |
| 17:39:05 | kernelwork | Ok |
| 17:39:28 | kernelwork | Some of the guys here thought they already fixed a bug for the most recent release that I'm fixing again. |
| 17:39:38 | Morn | which bug is that? |
| 17:40:05 | Morn | I'm trying to figure out why pixil_oe won't compile for x with gcc 3.0.2 for me |
| 17:41:03 | kernelwork | It's a stupid one. In address book when editing a record "State/Province" is too big for the screen |
| 17:41:31 | kernelwork | gcc 3.0.2 could be the problem. Have you tried a 2.95? |
| 17:41:54 | kernelwork | Last I checked none of us have even tried with gcc 3 |
| 17:42:01 | Morn | I have 2.96 also, but it is also a problem |
| 17:42:13 | kernelwork | Try 2.95 |
| 17:42:26 | Morn | setting CC=gcc-2.96 didn't seem to convince it to use 2.96 though |
| 17:42:37 | AlHazWork | 2.96 is an unstable snapshot |
| 17:42:38 | kernelwork | I understood 2.96 to be one of the development branches leading to 3 |
| 17:42:44 | AlHazWork | only redhat knows why they use it |
| 17:42:51 | Morn | Mandrake uses it too |
| 17:42:57 | Morn | which is a RedHat derivative |
| 17:43:04 | AlHazWork | it's an unstable unofficial snapshot that's forked from the gcc tree, actually |
| 17:43:10 | kernelwork | debian still uses 2.95 and gcc 3 is a special option. |
| 17:43:30 | AlHazWork | redhat used to have just one lousy compiler, now they have two. Who knows why. |
| 17:43:48 | Morn | I really should install 2.95.3 as well |
| 17:44:01 | Morn | though for most stuff 3.0.2 has been working fine |
| 17:44:12 | Morn | though some modules in the kernel cause interal compiler errors |
| 17:44:51 | kernelwork | probably has 4 compilers installed... |
| 17:45:39 | Morn | I have 2 for x86 and 2 for m68k and one for arm |
| 17:45:56 | kernelwork | 2 for x86 one for ppc and one for arm |
| 17:49:46 | Morn | the only good thing is compiles are super fast on this new computer |
| 17:51:49 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Please feel free to send gripes and/or bug reports to either kernelwork or myself..... its nice to have an outside perspective... |
| 17:54:02 | Morn | I'll do what I can |
| 17:57:17 | Morn | kernelwork/cosmicpenguin do you guys work for censoft? |
| 17:57:25 | kernelwork | Yes |
| 17:57:30 | Morn | neat |
| 17:57:58 | signal11 | me too |
| 17:58:05 | Morn | I just found the PIXIL stuff recently |
| 17:58:08 | Morn | it's quite nice |
| 17:58:18 | Morn | sorry signal11, didn't mean to miss you |
| 17:58:31 | kernelwork | You should see what we compile out of our CVS |
| 17:58:45 | kernelwork | Our next release will not have the gnome icons |
| 17:59:03 | Morn | cool |
| 17:59:10 | Morn | what is the expected release of that? |
| 17:59:21 | kernelwork | In about a month I think |
| 17:59:45 | kernelwork | We are busy getting sync and the desktop app running. |
| 18:00:40 | kernelwork | I just gotta keep the builds going and fix bugs |
| 18:01:01 | Morn | the desktop side is very important for end users |
| 18:01:11 | signal11 | definitely |
| 18:01:48 | CosmicPenguin | <-- Is busy at work breaking the sync right now.... :) |
| 18:01:52 | kernelwork | The desktop app works in Linux and Windows. |
| 18:01:55 | Morn | getting more tea, be right back |
| 18:02:03 | Morn | the desktop works in linux? wonderful |
| 18:02:11 | kernelwork | It's written in FLTK |
| 18:02:18 | Morn | too many people focus on the windows users |
| 18:02:37 | kernelwork | I think it would be great if we could sync with Outlook and Evolution :) |
| 18:04:29 | signal11 | morn there are a lot of linux advocates here, a windows-only desktop wouldn't be too popular |
| 18:04:33 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: those are the words of a man who is sure he won't have to implement his crazy idea.... |
| 18:05:04 | kernelwork | Ok, so it's easier said than done :) |
| 18:07:46 | Morn | Evolution would be cool |
| 18:07:56 | Morn | I love evolution :-) |
| 18:08:08 | kernelwork | Yeah, but it's only a theory :) |
| 18:08:48 | Morn | I was a mutt user for a long time |
| 18:08:55 | Morn | but evolution is great for desktops |
| 18:09:04 | kernelwork | I use pine for home and kmail for work |
| 18:09:23 | Morn | I still use mutt when ssh'd into my co-lo server |
| 18:09:27 | Morn | but evolution at home |
| 18:09:43 | kernelwork | If I could get pine and Kmail to coexists that would be great. |
| 18:10:05 | Morn | can't you just use the imap stuff? |
| 18:10:19 | Morn | that's what I do with evolution and it works fine with the settings with mutt |
| 18:10:32 | Morn | I don't use kmail so I don't know |
| 18:10:55 | Morn | and I haven't used pine since I was a wee lass... |
| 18:11:00 | kernelwork | I need to find something that uses my mbox file and also the files in ~/mail/ |
| 18:11:39 | Morn | I need to simplify my .procmailrc it's insane |
| 18:11:44 | Morn | too many mailing lists |
| 18:11:59 | Morn | and I have over a gig of email stored on the server |
| 18:12:00 | kernelwork | I need to figure out how to write a .procmailrc file... |
| 18:12:31 | kernelwork | Next week I'm going to get another 5 years of domain registration... |
| 18:13:05 | Morn | btw, the pixil install doesn't work well with the newere bootldr's |
| 18:14:01 | Morn | I tried with 2.16.24 and it refused to load the / partition |
| 18:14:53 | Morn | and it seems the newer bootldr's don't like installing an older bootldr over top |
| 18:15:31 | Morn | 2.14.8 seems to have worked though |
| 18:16:59 | Morn | alright I have pixil installed again on the iPAQ |
| 18:18:59 | scanline | is back (gone 03:30:59) |
| 18:19:28 | Morn | now to setup ppp on it |
| 18:23:08 | Morn | is it me or is there no text editor on this install? |
| 18:23:15 | Morn | not even vi |
| 18:24:09 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: <sheepishly>no editor.... </sheepishly> |
| 18:24:24 | Morn | that makes it a little difficult to make some changes... |
| 18:24:37 | Morn | like the ppp/options references ttyS0 not ttySA0 |
| 18:24:54 | Morn | and I want to mount my CF card |
| 18:28:28 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: You getting these? |
| 18:29:32 | kernelwork | Can't that be a busybox option? |
| 18:30:07 | Morn | hmmm... ide_cs.o is not there |
| 18:30:22 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Yeah.... what we really need is to adapt buildroot for the pixil environment.... |
| 18:30:26 | Morn | can I upgrade the kernel or do you folks use a special one? |
| 18:30:54 | kernelwork | 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1 or something like that right out of the handhelds.org CVS |
| 18:31:13 | Morn | ok, so a pretty standard kernel... |
| 18:31:43 | Morn | just for some reason there is no support for ide_cs |
| 18:31:43 | kernelwork | We just have one fix for alarms to work... |
| 18:31:53 | kernelwork | But you can make all the module changes you need if you like |
| 18:32:13 | Russ | busybox has vi |
| 18:32:26 | Morn | I will, but can I build a new pixil.root image? |
| 18:32:45 | Morn | or can I just mount the image as a cramfs and modify it then reflash? |
| 18:33:02 | Morn | am I voilating any licenses? |
| 18:33:12 | kernelwork | Using the handhelds.org cvs you will want to do a 'cvs co -r K2_4_7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1 linux/kernel' |
| 18:33:57 | kernelwork | You can rz files onto the device. It's a jffs2 image so it is writable |
| 18:34:18 | Morn | ok |
| 18:34:51 | Morn | when I did this with familiar I had to play games to get the cf card to mount as /usr on boot and not crash |
| 18:38:07 | Russ | you can't modify a cramfs image |
| 18:38:16 | Russ | only extract everything, modify, make a new one |
| 18:38:53 | Morn | ah, I thought you could mount it with loopback and modify it |
| 18:39:17 | Russ | no, its crammed in there pretty good |
| 19:05:13 | Morn | vnc sure generates a lot of network traffic |
| 19:05:34 | Morn | at least when connected to a windows host |
| 19:16:08 | kernelwork | I'm sure Microsoft is watching P2P stuff with interest... NT servers at ISPs collecting data from end user systems and slowly making it's way to msn.com... It's perfect! spyware that doesn't lead directly to Microsoft, but is hidden in the netowrk layer |
| 19:19:41 | Morn | building the new kernel, took a while to get the cvs code down |
| 19:20:51 | kernelwork | Morn: C'mon, it's only 100 MB :) |
| 19:21:35 | Morn | well I have a cable modem, but handhelds.org seems a little slow |
| 19:21:45 | kernelwork | Did you do an -z options? |
| 19:21:53 | Morn | it kept rejecting it |
| 19:22:00 | kernelwork | I once did a -z9 |
| 19:22:07 | kernelwork | poor server... |
| 19:22:17 | Morn | that will bring the server to it's knees in a hurry |
| 19:22:35 | Morn | rut roh, some assembly errors in the kernel compile |
| 19:23:01 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: save off the .config file, make mrproper, and start over from scratch.... |
| 19:23:10 | CosmicPenguin | this time making sure that your cross compiler is in the PATH... |
| 19:23:19 | Morn | it is |
| 19:23:29 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know why it does what it does, but every time that happens to me, I just clean and start over... |
| 19:24:00 | CosmicPenguin | I think that the kernel must use cpp or as or something (with out the arm-linux qualifer), which freaks it out |
| 19:25:36 | Morn | seems to be working now |
| 19:25:38 | Morn | thanks |
| 19:39:50 | Morn | hmmm, it loads the ide-cs driver, but I can't access the card/drive |
| 19:55:20 | Morn | hmmm, fixed the module stuff so that ide-cs and ide-probe-mod get loaded |
| 19:55:26 | Morn | but still can't access the cf card |
| 20:26:44 | Morn | ge dev info on socket 0 failed there is the problem (during ide_info) |
| 20:31:06 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Ah, fiddlesticks..... that means it couldn't figure out the card..... |
| 20:31:25 | kernelwork | considers getting an Athlon XP 1600 to replace his Duron 700... |
| 20:31:28 | Morn | it worked back in August with familiar |
| 20:31:31 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: Unfortunately, between 2.2 and 2.4, ide_cs turned into ide-cs.... |
| 20:31:40 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: That doesn't mean that we aren't idiots.... :( |
| 20:31:55 | GoRK | is this on the tux or on an ipaq? |
| 20:31:58 | Morn | kernelwork: I just built a dual athlon machine |
| 20:32:01 | AlHazWork | I thought "get dev info failed" was more of a socket problem |
| 20:32:04 | Morn | GoRK: ipaq |
| 20:32:19 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: You plug in a card that isn't in CS, you see the same thing.... |
| 20:32:24 | kernelwork | Morn: I just priced what it would take to put one together :) |
| 20:32:26 | CosmicPenguin | dump_cis should still show the CIS..... |
| 20:32:49 | kernelwork | Morn: The MB I saw had 4 64bit pci and 2 32bit pci slots |
| 20:33:00 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: unsupported cards still show up tho |
| 20:33:05 | Morn | kernelwork: I used the Tyan Tiger board |
| 20:33:06 | AlHazWork | they just don't get a driver |
| 20:33:09 | kernelwork | I never expected an X86 to have 64bit PCI |
| 20:33:20 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: True, but I am pretty sure she's getting the ide-cs vs ide_cs problem.... |
| 20:33:30 | Morn | the cardctrl shows the right info |
| 20:33:44 | kernelwork | The board I looked at was a Tyan board |
| 20:33:47 | AlHazWork | I get "get dev info failed" on my notebook when i screw up the socket configuration and let it try to use io ports that aren't really available |
| 20:33:56 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: could very well be |
| 20:34:00 | Morn | I'm just a little worried about installing this new kernel I built |
| 20:34:23 | Morn | since there is no really automated way to collect the modules and put them into an image |
| 20:34:26 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Thats a easy bug - Add it to your list... we have a little sed script that can fix that problem.... |
| 20:34:37 | kernelwork | Morn: anyway, when I put my system together last spring I got the cheapes components for MB/processor I could. |
| 20:34:43 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=<mypath> modules_install |
| 20:34:46 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: I've seen plenty of x86 boards with 64 bit pci |
| 20:34:54 | CosmicPenguin | And ignore the depmod errors.... |
| 20:34:58 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: most of them were IBM Netfinity boxes or Proliant servers, tho |
| 20:35:00 | Morn | kernelwork: I spent about $1300 on this new system |
| 20:35:05 | kernelwork | AlHazWork: perhaps I just don't look in the right places |
| 20:35:10 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: let me try that |
| 20:35:16 | AlHazWork | I used to have a Netfinity 7k that had like half a dozen of 'em |
| 20:35:43 | Morn | I guess I should extract the contents of the default pixil.root image first |
| 20:35:48 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: So, you're looking at the Tyan Tiger MP as well? |
| 20:36:01 | AlHazWork | I even have a 64 bit scsi-u2w card I'd like to plug into one |
| 20:36:09 | Morn | CosmicPenguin and the kernel image is just vmlinuz right? |
| 20:36:30 | kernelwork | Morn: I should just stick with my Duron 700, it does fine (10 minute 2.4 kernel compiles) |
| 20:36:42 | CosmicPenguin | morn: arch/arm/boot/zImage... |
| 20:36:50 | Morn | kernelwork: this is a dual 1.4 it flies (2 gig of ram) |
| 20:36:51 | kernelwork | AlHazWork: Well, I wouldn't say I'm looking too closely. It's on the "Gee that'd be nice" list |
| 20:36:54 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: 'k |
| 20:36:56 | Morn | trying it |
| 20:37:13 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: I'm looking at buying one in say may 2002 :) |
| 20:37:19 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: When they're a tad cheaper |
| 20:37:23 | kernelwork | AlHazWork: I'd get a Sun Blade 100 first :) |
| 20:37:33 | AlHazWork | why? |
| 20:37:39 | Morn | I have a UltraSparc AXi here |
| 20:37:43 | Morn | it is nice |
| 20:37:57 | kernelwork | I'd like a Sparc based machine, besides they are only $1000 |
| 20:38:28 | AlHazWork | 2.4 isn't working properly on sparc yet, at least that's what i glean from the sparclinux mailing list |
| 20:38:37 | kernelwork | AlHazWork: then I could have Linux on 4 platforms, 5 if I get a dreamcast :) |
| 20:39:19 | kernelwork | I wonder if 2.5 will be any better... |
| 20:39:28 | AlHazWork | lemme see, right now I've got a sparc32 web server, an alpha firewall . . . |
| 20:39:39 | kernelwork | My Alpha is a brick |
| 20:39:59 | AlHazWork | so's mine, but it's also a reliable firewall |
| 20:40:28 | kernelwork | I can't get the boot console up :( Very bricked |
| 20:40:41 | prpplague | i use my old multia box as a mail server |
| 20:41:00 | AlHazWork | [root@thinmint alhaz]# uptime |
| 20:41:00 | AlHazWork | 1:42pm up 373 days, 3:47, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 20:41:10 | prpplague | cool |
| 20:41:24 | AlHazWork | it's on a big ups :) |
| 20:41:32 | kernelwork | My RS/6000 is going to be my mail server, name server, and anything else I can put on it and take off of my Dev system |
| 20:41:34 | AlHazWork | it's run on battery power for as long as three or four hours |
| 20:41:56 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: no boot console? yeah, that's pretty bricked |
| 20:42:10 | AlHazWork | but if it's just a multia it's no big deal |
| 20:42:16 | AlHazWork | I'm currently trying to unload mine |
| 20:42:24 | prpplague | AlHazWork: you know the old story about the multia's? rumor has it that compaq had homeless ppl removing the ram and harddrives before dumping them on the used market |
| 20:42:33 | AlHazWork | oughta replace it with a secureedge, which would run even longer on battery power . . . |
| 20:42:46 | kernelwork | I used to get it, but no more. I don't know if it's my ram or if its something else. I can't check the ram very easily either. 72MB FP ram isn't very common/cheap |
| 20:42:51 | AlHazWork | prpplague: most of them prolly never had harddrives |
| 20:42:56 | kernelwork | er, 72pin FP ram |
| 20:43:03 | AlHazWork | prpplague: but i could see compaq doing that |
| 20:43:08 | kernelwork | I only need 32MB to boot into the console though. |
| 20:43:33 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: They are depressingly picky about ram |
| 20:43:52 | AlHazWork | mine has four kingston 36-chip 60ns gold-pinned simms |
| 20:44:06 | kernelwork | Either way, when it did work it would get 5 minutes into a debian install and coredump itself to death. |
| 20:44:10 | AlHazWork | the three-chip ones i tried didn't work |
| 20:44:47 | kernelwork | I have some 8 sticks of FP ram available to me and none of them work |
| 20:44:59 | AlHazWork | bummer |
| 20:45:04 | kernelwork | I'll just throw them in the RS/6000 since it is much more friendly |
| 20:45:12 | AlHazWork | it |
| 20:45:26 | kernelwork | it? |
| 20:45:33 | AlHazWork | it's concievable that it's just ram, and I have more 72 pin fast page parity simms than i have any idea what to do with, but it's just a multia |
| 20:45:38 | prpplague | kernelwork: how do you like the rs/6000 box? |
| 20:45:57 | kernelwork | prpplague: I'd like it more if the debian installer would boot better :) |
| 20:46:04 | prpplague | ohh |
| 20:46:18 | AlHazWork | example: I picked up an sgi indigo2 that had 128 megs of ram, mostly in 8 meg simms |
| 20:46:34 | kernelwork | I won't have a root FS on it until I untar the base2_2.tgz from the debian install onto my disk |
| 20:47:16 | kernelwork | It's good that filesystems work between architectures... |
| 20:48:03 | kernelwork | I have given up making a set of boot floppies and installing using dbootstrap |
| 20:48:34 | kernelwork | I have a kernel configured for the machine and I'm just going to throw a FS on it even if it kills me |
| 20:55:56 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:55:57 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 20:56:18 | prpplague | scanline: wb |
| 20:56:31 | scanline | hiya prpplague |
| 20:56:43 | scanline | wonders why "/back" in Xchat makes you away if you aren't |
| 20:57:00 | prpplague | scanline: did i read somewhere that your the guru for picogui? |
| 20:57:09 | scanline | prpplague: yep |
| 21:00:14 | prpplague | scanline: i'm still on the shell level right now, but when i get the lcd functioning on my project, i'll give picogui a try |
| 21:00:41 | scanline | cool |
| 21:02:25 | scanline | what kind of project is it? |
| 21:03:23 | prpplague | scanline: oversized pda |
| 21:03:35 | scanline | based on tuxscreen? |
| 21:06:54 | prpplague | on the ELF from inhand electronics |
| 21:07:09 | prpplague | but the tuxscreen development platform |
| 21:07:17 | scanline | nifty |
| 21:08:21 | prpplague | i've been thinking about putting my tuxscreen guts into a toshiba libretto |
| 21:08:55 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:13:28 | DrXenon | anybody know what might cause white noise in the receive chain of an out-of-the-box tuxscreen? somehow, when i use the handset to speak to the other party, he can hear me fine, but the tuxscreen handset speaker is putting out white-ish noise at a level that almost drowns out the speech. |
| 21:15:08 | Morn | are you using the default os or linux? |
| 21:33:50 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: you around? |
| 21:41:05 | GoRK | DrXenon: if it's on inferno, could be that youre hearing some feedback off the software modem so if that were the case, the other end would hear it too.. more likely there is some dsp problem.. have you tried another telephone's handset on the tux? |
| 21:42:52 | AlHazWork | DrXenon: haven't heard that |
| 21:51:42 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: I am here.... |
| 21:51:45 | CosmicPenguin | I come and go |
| 21:53:41 | Morn | 'k |
| 21:53:49 | Morn | I'm trying to mount the pixil.root file |
| 21:54:13 | Morn | mount -t jffs2 -o loop /home/julie/pixil-dist/pixil.root /mnt/pixil |
| 21:54:20 | Morn | but I keep getting wrong fs errors |
| 21:55:11 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: are you using the MTD to block layer? |
| 21:56:12 | GoRK | woah you cant loopback mount jffs2 |
| 21:56:29 | GoRK | it's absolutely impossible |
| 21:57:19 | Morn | according to howtos you can |
| 21:57:34 | Morn | i've got mtd module loaded |
| 21:58:15 | GoRK | hrm you shouldnt be able to unless you have an mtd emulation layer running though |
| 21:59:12 | GoRK | that's why the jffs2read utility exists |
| 21:59:15 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Which the latest MTD stuff *should* have.... |
| 21:59:54 | GoRK | yeah but does it set it up automatically when you try to do a loopback mount? i thought you had to set up the emulation then install the jffs2 image onto the virtual device |
| 22:01:18 | CosmicPenguin | ?? I dunno... russ or andersee is the expert there.... |
| 22:01:21 | Morn | a search on jffs2read doesn' show anything up |
| 22:01:58 | GoRK | it's in mtd cvs. a copy should get built with buildroot-tux actually... check in the buildroot-tux/mtd tree for it |
| 22:14:54 | prpplague | holy cow, a vender just sent me the pcmcia specs in pdf |
| 22:20:36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Why is that surprising? |
| 22:20:38 | Tangent | prpplague : Wicked :) |
| 22:20:59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've not been able to find it anywhere, everyone wants big $$$ for it |
| 22:21:09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ahh.... |
| 22:22:16 | prpplague | Tangent: need a copy? |
| 22:22:37 | Tangent | prpplague : Wouldn't say no... jim@secret.org.uk ... Thanks :D |
| 22:23:17 | prpplague | i wonder if i'd get in trouble if i put up a link |
| 22:23:43 | Tangent | prpplague : I expect so... but not if you shared it out on some p2p filesharing thing |
| 22:24:04 | CosmicPenguin | <OT> Does anyone else have trouble with the flash plugin in mozilla .94? My mozilla blocks until the audio port is free..... |
| 22:24:12 | CosmicPenguin | Very annoying.... |
| 22:26:15 | GoRK | i have a sblive so i can deal with multiple readers/writers on /dev/dsp so i havent noticed. i have tons of problems with flash 5 on windows SMP machines though :) |
| 22:27:04 | prpplague | Tangent: on the way |
| 22:36:10 | CosmicPenguin | Also, I can't log onto Yahoo with the current mozilla.... also very annoying.... |
| 22:36:29 | Russ | lemme try.. |
| 22:37:33 | Russ | o, oops, I have a cookie |
| 22:37:55 | CosmicPenguin | When in doubt, upgrade.... :) |
| 22:38:14 | Morn | grumbles. |
| 22:38:29 | Russ | works fine for me |
| 22:38:52 | Russ | Package: galeon, Version: 1.0-1 |
| 22:39:15 | Russ | Package: mozilla-browser, Version: 2:0.9.6-5 |
| 22:39:44 | Morn | it's not good when I have to read the source code to figure out how to use a utility |
| 22:39:46 | Russ | GoRK: you want to mount jffs2 loopback? |
| 22:39:48 | CosmicPenguin | Damnit.... |
| 22:39:49 | Morn | not very user friendly |
| 22:39:55 | Morn | Russ: I wanted to |
| 22:39:57 | Russ | Morn: you talking to me? |
| 22:40:09 | Russ | you load the mtdram module |
| 22:40:15 | Morn | I'm just complaining about the lack of documentation for the jffs2reader utility |
| 22:40:16 | Russ | it emulates flash with system ram |
| 22:40:33 | Russ | then you put the image in the device, and mount it |
| 22:40:43 | Russ | (erasesize specified during insmod) |
| 22:40:56 | Russ | wonder if jffs2reader uses any of my code |
| 22:41:15 | Morn | I don't think mtdram is built into my kernel |
| 22:41:17 | Morn | looking |
| 22:41:27 | Russ | its really only usefull as a module |
| 22:41:35 | Morn | that's what I meant |
| 22:41:43 | Morn | the module isn't compiled in |
| 22:42:29 | Morn | and here we go again with the kernel compile :-) |
| 22:42:32 | Russ | good |
| 22:42:35 | Russ | wait |
| 22:42:41 | Russ | you don't need to compile a kernel |
| 22:42:42 | Morn | freezes. |
| 22:42:43 | Russ | just the module |
| 22:43:10 | Russ | its not paticularly usefull compiled into the kernel, as you can only spegify erase size at boot |
| 22:45:16 | Morn | ok, I got the module ready |
| 22:46:12 | Russ | modinfo -p it |
| 22:46:39 | Morn | Using /lib/modules/2.4.16/kernel/drivers/mtd/mtdram.o |
| 22:47:06 | Russ | the erase size you want is 0x20000 |
| 22:51:50 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Downloading galeon right now... :) |
| 22:52:07 | Morn | Russ: what is the total_size? |
| 22:53:34 | Morn | hmmm, mtdram segfaulted on install and is left in a (initialzing) state |
| 22:54:11 | prpplague | Morn: that sounds like a date i had once... |
| 22:54:27 | Morn | don't complain, I can't remember my last date |
| 22:55:13 | AlHazWork | it's more gratifying when you get to know someone well enough that you don't consider it a date |
| 22:55:46 | AlHazWork | I remember all the dates I've been on. 'course, I don't think i need two hands to count 'em. wouldn't want to repeat any of them. |
| 22:55:58 | kernelwork | date? I thought that was just a kind of fruit... |
| 22:56:10 | Morn | giggles |
| 22:56:52 | Morn | I think I'm gonna have to reboot to get control of that module back |
| 22:56:57 | AlHazWork | I was much happier when i realized that the concept of dating is bullshit - this i did sitting around at denny's while someone was busy standing me up, observing the two most pretensious people I've ever encountered assuring eachother how non-pretensious they both are |
| 22:57:06 | kernelwork | has a friend who is going out with some nice jail bait |
| 22:57:15 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:57:42 | prpplague | i tried the jail bait dist, not too bad, ohh wait your talking about something else!lol |
| 22:58:00 | kernelwork | I'm not sure she's jail bait. It depends on utah law. They are 3 years apart one one is over 18 |
| 22:58:39 | kernelwork | In my opinion, if she's jail bait, she's not an option |
| 23:00:26 | kernelwork | has a brother who doesn't want to date, he just wants to get married and sort of skip that part. |
| 23:00:28 | AlHazWork | I tried the jail bait dist, found it . . . . immature |
| 23:00:50 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya the install and setup were a little difficult |
| 23:00:55 | kernelwork | good grief, you didn't go there... |
| 23:01:06 | prpplague | AlHazWork: lol |
| 23:01:07 | AlHazWork | prpplague: That part was fine |
| 23:01:07 | jacquesZzZz | sigh |
| 23:01:18 | jacquesZzZz | BZFlag: I have xlibs now |
| 23:01:28 | AlHazWork | prpplague: it was what i got when it finished that disappointed me |
| 23:01:43 | prpplague | AlHazWork: really, i didn't think it was very flexiable |
| 23:02:36 | prpplague | http://jailbait.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:02:36 | AlHazWork | Well, pretty much all sex is illegal in utah. I think it's only statuatory rape if one of them is under 16 |
| 23:03:12 | signal11 | utah has the highest birth rate in the country. |
| 23:03:17 | signal11 | it's pornography that is illegal. |
| 23:03:24 | signal11 | we have a porn czar here, can you believe it |
| 23:03:34 | kernelwork | No, they try and make it illegal because of the birth rate :) |
| 23:03:56 | kernelwork | wonders if the state flag should be changed to depict a rabit |
| 23:04:05 | signal11 | heh. |
| 23:04:12 | Morn | ok, take 2 |
| 23:04:40 | AlHazWork | Anyway, the point is, these two tanned, polished, & gelled individuals eventually got finished telling eachother all the bald-faced lies they felt they needed to, and finally got around to clearing up the major point they had been dancing around, specifically that they were both interested in getting laid, and they left |
| 23:05:58 | AlHazWork | then came the epiphany: I realized "oh, so this is what people do to get laid. I wasn't interested in getting laid. THAT's why this is all so foreign to me." |
| 23:06:07 | kernelwork | Well, they would have to dance around that point. I have a friend who lives in vegas and apparently the people she knows don't usually dance around that point. She is quite sick of it. |
| 23:06:31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Though I like Galeon, it too cannot handle yahoo.... |
| 23:06:45 | CosmicPenguin | I am trying to login as a user... |
| 23:07:05 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, well... |
| 23:07:14 | BZFlag | jacquesZzZz: sweet. |
| 23:07:47 | kernelwork | Vegas can be a really sick place... My uncle was representing a guy who was fired from Carl's Junior because he was unhappy about the fact that this Carl's Junior was also a brothel |
| 23:08:01 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: My younger sister has spent some time in france as an exchange student. She tells me that french guys would regularly come up to her, chat with her for a little while, and then say "So, do you want to go to bed?" |
| 23:08:03 | Morn | I spent one night in Vegas... |
| 23:08:15 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: she says she'd look them up and down, think for a moment, and say "No, not with you, sorry" |
| 23:08:18 | Morn | and I was so sick all I did was crash in the hotel room |
| 23:08:32 | CosmicPenguin | Vegas rules! (sorry)... |
| 23:08:42 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: Then they'd get all sad and sulk away |
| 23:08:52 | kernelwork | My aunt and uncle are both lawyers. My uncle has too much business and he stopped advertising |
| 23:10:23 | kernelwork | I know that feeling |
| 23:10:48 | kernelwork | That was supposed to be a /msg |
| 23:11:19 | kernelwork | It could take on about 4 meanings given the last 7 lines of context |
| 23:11:27 | Morn | yes you could |
| 23:18:44 | Morn | /lib/modules/2.4.16/kernel/drivers/mtd/mtdram.o: init_module: Cannot allocate memory |
| 23:18:56 | kernelwork | DOH! |
| 23:19:05 | Morn | kicks herself. |
| 23:19:07 | Morn | and again. |
| 23:20:04 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: Did you ever make that dotpal module so you don't have to patch a specific kernel? |
| 23:21:55 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: yes I did in fact.... I've got it right now... I'll trade you for the password on the web site... its new releaase time... :) |
| 23:22:39 | kernelwork | doh! It's on a sticky note at home... |
| 23:23:00 | Morn | passwords on sticky notes? |
| 23:23:07 | Morn | looks confused! |
| 23:23:24 | kernelwork | It's for hosting space I don't even use, hence why Cosmic is using it |
| 23:23:56 | kernelwork | just remembered it |
| 23:24:08 | Morn | I can provide some space on my co-lo server if needed |
| 23:24:47 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: When I leave I can host it on my mail server |
| 23:25:06 | kernelwork | Though, Morn may have a better hosting space... |
| 23:25:32 | Morn | talk to me in private about what you want to do |
| 23:25:35 | Morn | and we can set something up |
| 23:31:00 | CosmicPenguin | I can't believe how well that dotpal module works..... |
| 23:36:16 | Morn | are there any tools to import contact lists from other PIM's to pixil? |
| 23:45:27 | scanline | is away: class |
| 23:59:22 | jacques | hello all |
| 23:59:55 | SteevD | wonders what a dotpal module does. Sorry - I've been /away |