| 00:53:01 | jacques | is there any such thing as a 3.3 volt wireless card? |
| 00:55:39 | RussGWC | most likely |
| 00:55:46 | RussGWC | all CF cards are 3.3V |
| 00:56:01 | RussGWC | so find a CF wireless card, and you are set |
| 00:57:55 | prpplague | the dlink seems to work well |
| 00:58:02 | prpplague | i've not used it on the tux yet |
| 00:58:07 | jacques | really? I never thought of that |
| 00:58:08 | prpplague | but it works fine on my yopy |
| 00:58:20 | jacques | prpplague: dlink is 3.3V ? |
| 00:58:27 | jacques | prpplague: it's CF? |
| 00:58:31 | RussGWC | I got a 10 baset CF card and sleeve for < $20 |
| 00:58:35 | prpplague | dcf-650w |
| 00:58:56 | prpplague | dlink |
| 00:58:56 | jacques | my netgear MA401 cards say 5V on the back |
| 00:59:24 | jacques | but then so do my FA411's and they work fine at 3.3V |
| 01:01:31 | jacques | WOW |
| 01:01:35 | jacques | I just stuc a MA401 in my tux and it found it |
| 01:01:41 | jacques | and ID's it |
| 01:01:49 | jacques | maybe it will actuially work |
| 01:01:55 | jacques | without the 5V hack |
| 01:01:58 | prpplague | jacques: is it smoking yet? |
| 01:07:22 | prpplague | howdy Tangent |
| 01:07:42 | prpplague | Tangent: hows the weather in UK today? |
| 01:43:24 | Sammy | hello |
| 01:50:22 | prpplague | howdy sammy |
| 02:31:21 | WarWizard | Can anyone point me in the direction to start compiling programs that can run on the TuxScreen. Is there a flag for gcc to do cross compiling (i'm on a x86 machine) or do I need to use a differnt compiler? |
| 02:31:58 | prpplague | WarWizard: stand by i'll give you a link |
| 02:32:57 | WarWizard | Ok, thanks |
| 02:33:14 | prpplague | WarWizard: http://www.armlinux.org/docs/toolchain/toolchHOWTO/t1.html |
| 02:33:31 | WarWizard | Thanks |
| 02:33:47 | prpplague | WarWizard: i have a pre-built toolchain from erikm at http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux under binaries |
| 02:34:31 | WarWizard | Ok, thanks again |
| 04:33:36 | scanline | hi everybody |
| 04:35:04 | Russ|tux | hey Morn |
| 04:35:15 | Morn | hi |
| 04:35:19 | Morn | just got back from NYC |
| 04:38:45 | Russ|tux | ok, on udhcp, I think the server might be chocking on packets that are smaller than 308 bytes |
| 04:39:19 | Morn | that seems odd |
| 04:39:26 | Morn | do we need to pad the packets? |
| 04:39:39 | Russ|tux | Its pretty easy to do |
| 04:40:00 | Russ|tux | in packet.c, calc_length( ... ); |
| 04:40:24 | Russ|tux | add a return 308; after int payload_length; |
| 04:40:24 | Morn | let me check my email and get something to drink then I'll try it |
| 05:01:00 | WarWizard | Anyone know of a mirror for BusyBox and TinyLogin. I can't seen to get to any Lineo site right now |
| 05:01:27 | Russ|tux | opensource.lineo.com |
| 05:01:48 | WarWizard | I can't get their |
| 05:01:50 | WarWizard | there |
| 05:02:30 | Russ|tux | I can |
| 05:02:49 | Russ|tux | opensource.lineo.comA204.246.147.130 |
| 05:03:37 | WarWizard | My traceroutes die at a router in salt lake city |
| 05:04:08 | Russ|tux | sounds about where icmp would start being dropped |
| 05:04:25 | Russ|tux | so no biggie |
| 05:04:54 | WarWizard | I can't get to oss.lineo.com, opensource.lineo.com or www.lineo.com |
| 05:04:56 | Russ|tux | maybe oss.lineo.com is ECN enabled and there is broken hardware at your end |
| 05:05:17 | WarWizard | Probably haha. I'm part of the AT&T/@Home thing |
| 05:05:28 | WarWizard | I know the DNS here is broke |
| 05:05:48 | Russ|tux | oh, I can traceroute it just fine |
| 05:06:00 | Russ|tux | (doorbell.lineo.com |
| 05:06:18 | Russ|tux | AT&T was ok'd for shutdown |
| 05:06:35 | WarWizard | ya, I'm on AT&T's network now. |
| 05:06:37 | WarWizard | attbi.com |
| 05:06:45 | Russ|tux | good luck |
| 05:07:17 | WarWizard | when I went to bed I was on Excite, when I woke up I was on AT&T. I never had any problems with the switch over |
| 06:36:58 | Russ|tux | hello Morn |
| 06:42:25 | Russ|tux | ... (_|_) |
| 06:42:34 | Russ|tux | thats my butt! |
| 06:43:31 | GoRK | haha |
| 06:45:01 | Russ | ray |
| 06:45:03 | Russ | er |
| 06:45:05 | Russ | that was ray |
| 06:46:47 | jacques | hmm |
| 06:54:47 | GoRK | i just kicked my computers ass at checkers hahahahahahahha |
| 07:32:07 | GoRK | attaches another 8 ports to the network to make room for all this crap he's plugged in now :) |
| 07:43:58 | jacques | andersee: are you awake? |
| 07:45:11 | andersee | yup |
| 07:46:14 | jacques | andersee: I am trying to build a tinyx server linked against uclibc |
| 07:46:20 | andersee | cool |
| 07:46:26 | jacques | andersee: it works until the final link step |
| 07:46:32 | jacques | and I get a strange error |
| 07:46:33 | andersee | What sort of trouble? |
| 07:46:47 | jacques | /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `main' |
| 07:47:00 | jacques | yet there is a main function in one of the source libs |
| 07:47:28 | jacques | /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -o Xfbdev -O2 -L../../exports/lib dix/libdix.a os/libos.a ../../lib/Xau/libXau.a ../../lib/Xdmcp/libXdmcp.a hw/kdrive/fbdev/libfbdev.a miext/layer/liblayer.a hw/kdrive/libkdrive.a hw/kdrive/linux/liblinux.a miext/shadow/libshadow.a render/librender.a randr/librandr.a fb/libfb.a dix/libxpstubs.a mi/libmi.a Xext/libext.a ren |
| 07:47:28 | jacques | a randr/librandr.a -L/usr/local/arm/lib ../../lib/font/libXfont.a dix/libxpstubs.a -lz -lm |
| 07:47:43 | jacques | the main() is in dix/libdix.a |
| 07:48:17 | andersee | Hmm. Odd. |
| 07:48:53 | jacques | yeah - how should I approach debugging it? |
| 08:00:53 | andersee | sorry -- was on the phone for a bit there |
| 08:01:00 | jacques | np |
| 08:02:08 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 08:03:26 | andersee | I assume you have compiled zlib vs uClibc already, and installed that in /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib, right? |
| 08:03:54 | andersee | What is in /usr/local/arm/lib? |
| 08:04:49 | jacques | checking |
| 08:05:05 | jacques | jacques% l /usr/local/arm/lib |
| 08:05:05 | jacques | gcc-lib/ libbfd.a libbfd.la* libiberty.a libopcodes.a libopcodes.la* |
| 08:05:30 | andersee | ok, that is your cross compiler's libs. Thats fine. |
| 08:06:00 | jacques | I think xfree builds zlib |
| 08:06:14 | andersee | It has its own private version? |
| 08:06:15 | jacques | because I never build it into my toolchains and they compile xfree fine |
| 08:06:26 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 08:06:28 | jacques | i believe so |
| 08:07:27 | jacques | yes - it does |
| 08:07:42 | jacques | it's in -L../../exports/lib |
| 08:08:10 | andersee | ok, good |
| 08:10:01 | andersee | What does 'nm -D dix/libdix.a | grep main' show? |
| 08:12:20 | jacques | jacques% /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-nm -D dix/libdix.a | grep main |
| 08:12:20 | jacques | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-nm: atom.o: Invalid operation |
| 08:12:27 | jacques | what's the -D ? |
| 08:12:55 | jacques | without -D it shows this: |
| 08:12:58 | jacques | jacques% /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-nm dix/libdix.a | grep main |
| 08:12:58 | jacques | main.o: |
| 08:12:58 | jacques | 00000038 T main |
| 08:13:38 | andersee | Try adjusting the link order by hand. |
| 08:13:53 | andersee | Try putting dix/libdix.a last, for example |
| 08:15:26 | jacques | ok |
| 08:16:13 | jacques | gives same error with it last |
| 08:18:27 | jacques | BTW I have used the same toolchain to build same source against glibc in the past |
| 08:19:25 | andersee | Try putting dix/libdix.a first in the link order then... |
| 08:19:34 | andersee | just thrashing aorund here |
| 08:21:00 | jacques | heh - I'm ahead of you - already tried it |
| 08:21:22 | jacques | it is a strange error isn't it |
| 08:28:18 | jacques | I don't know where to go from here |
| 08:30:19 | jacques | even this line gives same erros: |
| 08:30:22 | jacques | /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -o Xfbdev dix/libdix.a |
| 08:30:34 | jacques | /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/libc.so: undefined reference to `main' |
| 08:33:20 | GoRK | is there a possible commandline to test that last command with arm-linux-gcc (but still compile against uclibc) ? |
| 08:33:34 | GoRK | maybe it is a bug in the wrapper? |
| 08:33:59 | jacques | hmm |
| 08:34:13 | jacques | yeah I would like to know that |
| 08:35:41 | GoRK | i think it is 'arm-linux-gcc <your arguments here> -nostdinc -I/path/to/ucblibc/headers -I/path/to/standard/headers |
| 08:42:42 | andersee | gcc -Wall -fno-builtin -nostdinc -Wl,-warn-common -I/path/to/ucblibc/headers -L/path/to/ucblibc/libs <OBJS> crt0.o -nostdlib -lc -gcc |
| 08:43:03 | andersee | jacques: try something like that using the cross compiler directly |
| 08:43:10 | jacques | holy crap |
| 08:43:30 | jacques | :-D |
| 08:43:35 | jacques | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc -o Xfbdev -L../../exports/lib dix/libdix.a os/libos.a ../../lib/Xau/libXau.a ../../lib/Xdmcp/libXdmcp.a hw/kdrive/fbdev/libfbdev.a miext/layer/liblayer.a hw/kdrive/libkdrive.a hw/kdrive/linux/liblinux.a miext/shadow/libshadow.a render/librender.a randr/librandr.a fb/libfb.a dix/libxpstubs.a mi/libmi.a Xext/libext.a render/librender.a randr/librandr.a -L/usr/local/arm/lib ../../lib/font/libXfont. |
| 08:43:35 | jacques | bs.a -lm -lz -nostdinc -I/thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include/ |
| 08:43:40 | jacques | that worked |
| 08:43:43 | andersee | heh |
| 08:44:00 | andersee | Cool. I need to go to sleep. |
| 08:44:09 | jacques | hmm - I did the GoRK one |
| 08:44:17 | jacques | let me try yours andersee |
| 08:44:24 | andersee | I would _very_ much like a bug report to the uClibc mailing list.... |
| 08:44:40 | andersee | Showing the link line, what didnt work, and what did. |
| 08:45:17 | jacques | hmm I hope I didnt just link it with glibc |
| 08:45:26 | jacques | i have no working cross-ldd |
| 08:45:38 | andersee | uClibc builds an ldd |
| 08:46:04 | andersee | Try /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin/ldd |
| 08:46:38 | jacques | tried it - gives me strange error |
| 08:46:52 | jacques | jacques% /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin/ldd Xfbdev |
| 08:46:52 | jacques | jacques% file Xfbdev |
| 08:46:52 | jacques | Xfbdev: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Advanced RISC Machines ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 08:47:01 | jacques | damit |
| 08:47:05 | andersee | What error? You can also use 'readelf' |
| 08:47:06 | jacques | / |
| 08:47:07 | jacques | / / / / |
| 08:47:13 | jacques | jacques% /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin/ldd Xfbdev |
| 08:47:21 | jacques | /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/bin/ldd: Exec format error. Binary file not executable. |
| 08:47:27 | jacques | jacques% file Xfbdev |
| 08:47:32 | jacques | Xfbdev: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Advanced RISC Machines ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 08:47:50 | andersee | try 'readelf -a <file>' |
| 08:48:11 | jacques | oh the ldd is an arm bin |
| 08:48:33 | andersee | heh |
| 08:48:53 | jacques | ok what am I looking for in the readelf? |
| 08:49:16 | jacques | oh it looks like that command did link against glibc |
| 08:49:23 | jacques | I see lots of this: |
| 08:49:28 | jacques | 050: 3 (GLIBC_2.0) 2 (GLIBC_2.0) 2 (GLIBC_2.0) 2 (GLIBC_2.0) |
| 08:49:38 | jacques | I'll try your command andersee |
| 08:51:55 | jacques | andersee: where is the crt.o ? |
| 08:52:05 | jacques | crt0.o |
| 08:52:57 | andersee | Should be in <path/to/uclibc>/lib |
| 08:53:46 | jacques | ok I am gettig this now: |
| 08:53:57 | jacques | /usr/local/arm/arm-linux/bin/ld: warning: ld-uClibc.so.0, needed by /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib//libc.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) |
| 08:53:57 | jacques | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 08:54:12 | jacques | sigh |
| 08:54:18 | andersee | Hmm. Try moving the -nostdlib to the beginning |
| 08:54:21 | jacques | the / thing keeps screwing up my paete |
| 08:54:25 | jacques | pastes |
| 08:55:04 | jacques | same |
| 08:55:21 | jacques | line currently looks like this: |
| 08:55:23 | jacques | jacques% /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc -Wall -fno-builtin -nostdlib -nostdinc -Wl,-warn-common -I/thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/include/ -L/thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/ -o Xfbdev -L../../exports/lib dix/libdix.a os/libos.a ../../lib/Xau/libXau.a ../../lib/Xdmcp/libXdmcp.a hw/kdrive/fbdev/libfbdev.a miext/layer/liblayer.a hw/kdrive/libkdrive.a hw/kdrive/linux/liblinux.a miext/shadow/libshadow. |
| 08:55:23 | jacques | nder.a randr/librandr.a fb/libfb.a dix/libxpstubs.a mi/libmi.a Xext/libext.a render/librender.a randr/librandr.a -L/usr/local/arm/lib ../../lib/font/libXfont.a dix/libxpstubs.a -lm -lz /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/crt0.o -lc -gcc |
| 08:56:50 | andersee | ok |
| 08:56:54 | andersee | Ohh |
| 08:56:58 | andersee | -lgcc |
| 08:57:50 | jacques | same |
| 08:58:02 | jacques | might be a problem but not the main problem |
| 08:58:12 | jacques | what does rpath do? |
| 08:58:25 | andersee | same, as in ld-uClibc.so.0 not found |
| 08:58:26 | andersee | ? |
| 08:59:20 | jacques | ok, I added /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 right before /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib/crt0.o |
| 08:59:28 | jacques | and now I am back to the original error |
| 08:59:44 | jacques | /thunder/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/staging_dir/lib//libc.so: undefined reference to `main' |
| 09:00:18 | andersee | You could use -Wl,--dynamic-linker,ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 09:01:33 | jacques | well we should try this when we are both more awake |
| 09:01:45 | jacques | I dont want to frustrate you with constant - "no change" |
| 09:01:54 | andersee | No, no problem. |
| 09:02:10 | andersee | I would like to know what the deal is. |
| 09:02:23 | andersee | I think making X compile and work is an important target |
| 09:03:14 | jacques | yeah me too - I know a lot of ppl who want it |
| 09:03:34 | jacques | we could make an X server image that fit into the onboard flash |
| 09:04:01 | andersee | Thats exactly what I want on my tuxscreens, personally. |
| 09:04:32 | jacques | and me and several of my co-workers |
| 09:06:21 | andersee | I think we will want to examine your object files for glibc and/or i386 contamination.... |
| 09:06:31 | andersee | but first... sleep... |
| 09:06:45 | jacques | ok, later |
| 09:07:03 | andersee | night |
| 14:08:38 | Morn | is away: cleaning and refreshing... |
| 15:08:04 | Morn | is back (gone 00:59:25) |
| 15:32:00 | Morn | is away: feeding my face... |
| 15:36:04 | Morn | Hi Russ |
| 15:52:28 | CosmicPenguin | Morning all..... whats the good word? |
| 16:29:01 | EGg0 | is away: kitchen duty |
| 16:44:44 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: It would appear noone is interested in talking this morning. |
| 16:45:07 | boodle | BZFlag: Greetings, ot but.. have you gotten the audio to work on the ia-1 yet? |
| 17:12:19 | BZFlag | boodle: nope |