| 00:00:10 | AlHazWork | but hey, why should windows code work at all on linux? |
| 00:02:01 | AlHazWork | prolly violates a EULA for something in any case . . . |
| 00:02:22 | AlHazWork | well, I'm outa here. good luck. |
| 00:02:27 | kernelwork | It worked |
| 00:02:31 | AlHazWork | cool |
| 00:02:33 | kernelwork | I've been busy playing my avi :) |
| 00:02:37 | AlHazWork | enjoy :) |
| 00:25:51 | BZFlag | http://linuxtoday.com/ <- check it out. hacked. |
| 00:28:01 | andersee | saw it |
| 00:28:03 | andersee | hehe |
| 00:28:52 | andersee | they should fire their IT folks for not securing things.... |
| 00:29:58 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe..... |
| 01:01:54 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: still waiting for an e-mail from you.... :) |
| 01:02:46 | andersee | I'll get it out this evening. I got distracted... |
| 01:02:48 | andersee | :) |
| 01:05:07 | CosmicPenguin | ok... I'll see you all later |
| 01:09:52 | thekernel | Anyone here? |
| 01:10:01 | BZFlag | nope |
| 01:10:03 | jacques | kinda quiet today |
| 01:10:19 | thekernel | I gotta quick X font question |
| 01:10:28 | andersee | nobody here but us chickens |
| 01:10:35 | thekernel | How do I make my default font smaller |
| 01:11:10 | thekernel | I'm looking in /etc/X11/fs/config Though I'm not sure what I should change. |
| 01:12:21 | thekernel | I really gotta be more careful about how I start my questions... |
| 01:34:53 | | what's up, Sammy |
| 01:34:53 | Sammy | hi |
| 02:08:31 | EGg0 | is away: watching a movie with my lovely wife... wish it was porn :-) |
| 02:55:54 | GoRK | andersee: you actually got a changelog entry in 2.4.17-pre1 for your scsi blocksize stuff |
| 03:01:25 | andersee | heh |
| 03:01:37 | andersee | I'm just glad its fixed. |
| 03:01:50 | andersee | that bug was driving me nuts |
| 03:02:37 | GoRK | i got one of these today to play with: http://www.snomag.de/snom100_en.htm ... pretty slick little gadget |
| 03:04:25 | andersee | cool |
| 03:04:29 | andersee | how much? |
| 03:04:47 | GoRK | well someone gave me this one but afaik they cost $205 |
| 03:05:37 | GoRK | i dont think anyone sells them in the US though.. the thing doesnt have FCC or UL stamps on it and comes with a european ac adaptor (works fine on 110/60hz though) |
| 03:06:27 | GoRK | they are PPC i think 100 or 140MHz |
| 03:06:59 | BZFlag | nite |
| 03:09:13 | andersee | Can you call you are tuxscreen with it? |
| 03:09:28 | andersee | s/you are/your/ |
| 03:10:22 | GoRK | heh well i dont have any h323 stuff working with tux yet, so no... actually the reason i have the snom phone is because i was going to redo the GUI and put an IAX stack on it to work with asterisk-pbx |
| 03:10:39 | GoRK | i guess i could install ohphone and give it a whirl :) |
| 03:11:05 | GoRK | or break down and write chan_h323 for asterisk |
| 03:11:37 | GoRK | there might be a license conflict between asterisk and openh323 though.. some stuff folks were trying to work out |
| 03:13:41 | GoRK | ugh i am so lost in cvs without cvsweb :-/ |
| 03:42:18 | Sammy | andersee: may I ask something with busybox ? if my kernel run with some massage like this ...what's the problem ? |
| 03:42:24 | Sammy | Child dir "hda" (ino #76) of dir ino #74 appears to be a hard link |
| 03:42:25 | Sammy | Child dir "ramfs" (ino #75) of dir ino #74 appears to be a hard link |
| 03:42:27 | Sammy | Child dir "bin" (ino #126) of dir ino #80 appears to be a hard link |
| 03:42:55 | andersee | Sammy: thoses are jffs2 whining, not busybox |
| 03:44:49 | Sammy | oh, can you tell me how to fix that ? |
| 03:57:45 | jacques_ | i am starting to really be pissed off at redhat |
| 05:02:13 | Keyser_Soze | voila, I present the two-tone tuxscreen: |
| 05:02:18 | Keyser_Soze | http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/miles//tux_front.jpg |
| 05:02:18 | Keyser_Soze | http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/miles//tux_back.jpg |
| 05:11:14 | Russ | heh |
| 05:14:14 | andersee | Russ: got any good ideas for measuring ram application ram usage? |
| 05:16:44 | Keyser_Soze | if the app is running on a linux box, doesn't "ps" show the memory used by the process? |
| 05:18:59 | Keyser_Soze | or did you mean something else? |
| 05:20:21 | andersee | It doesn't list allocations, or track max usage, etc... |
| 05:22:03 | Russ | memstat or qps |
| 05:22:17 | Russ | or do you mean memprof |
| 05:27:27 | jacques | oooh, purdy |
| 05:28:06 | jacques | Keyser_Soze: what did you use to color it? |
| 05:28:14 | Keyser_Soze | spray paint |
| 05:28:31 | Keyser_Soze | i dissasembled it, to look at all the hardware, and then the urge came over me |
| 05:28:41 | Keyser_Soze | but i was too laze to do the bottom part today |
| 05:28:51 | jacques | heh, i was just about to ask |
| 05:28:52 | Keyser_Soze | it looks kinda neat as is |
| 05:29:07 | Keyser_Soze | maybe I'll leave it for a while |
| 05:34:38 | Keyser_Soze | does anyone here have a black tuxscreen? there was a mention on the wiki of some made in black. |
| 05:45:54 | jacques | not i |
| 06:35:13 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 14 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: It doesn't list allocations, or track max usage, etc... [Thu Nov 29 05:20:21 2001] |
| 06:35:13 | BZFlag | ibot: seen andersee |
| 08:20:58 | | what's up, GoRK |
| 08:20:58 | GoRK | hello |
| 08:21:18 | | ibot is nothing but a goatish accumulation of mangled fat-woman's stomach-bile. |
| 08:21:18 | GoRK | ibot insult ibot |
| 17:04:23 | kernelwork | prpplague: I sent an email inquiry to filanet |
| 17:06:12 | kernelwork | They are more interested in "business partners" than direct sales |
| 17:07:00 | prpplague | kernelwork: hmm |
| 17:07:18 | prpplague | kernelwork: not going to go very far are they? |
| 17:07:27 | kernelwork | Though I possed well enough as an interested business entity to maybe get a price out of them :) |
| 17:08:18 | kernelwork | prpplague: We all know how often direct marketing fails these days |
| 17:08:39 | kernelwork | Everything must be sold though 5 levels of distributors before making it to compUSA |
| 17:09:38 | kernelwork | I also wrote that an important feature for me to be really interested in the device is for it to have a swappable comm card for cable, DSL, or whatever may come down the ether next |
| 17:11:52 | kernelwork | I wonder if I'm the only person who would like a router,print server, VPN host, with an actual DSL connection not just an ethernet going out to my Cisco. I can buy that from linksys for under $250 |
| 17:14:25 | prpplague | kernelwork: ya price, flexiblity, and reliablity are a good judge of things |
| 17:14:56 | prpplague | ok some who's a pcmcia guru help me here, i'm having a brain cramp |
| 17:14:56 | kernelwork | I also asked how hackable it was if it didn't do exactly what I wanted :) |
| 17:15:07 | prpplague | kernelwork: what did they say? |
| 17:15:15 | prpplague | kernelwork: its supposed to be linux based |
| 17:15:48 | kernelwork | Nothing yet. They wanted to know why I was interested... |
| 17:15:58 | prpplague | i'm trying to get wvlan_cs.o to be compiled with my kernel but it doesn't seem to be showing up in the modules dir |
| 17:16:02 | kernelwork | Filanet develops reseller partnerships and I would like to know if this is |
| 17:16:02 | kernelwork | for your personal use or do you consider becoming a partner? How did you |
| 17:16:15 | kernelwork | hear about Filanet? (Did you search on the web?) |
| 17:16:59 | prpplague | kernelwork: they had an advertisement in linux journal |
| 17:17:15 | kernelwork | Did they? I heard about it from you :) |
| 17:17:54 | kernelwork | If I'm ever in that sort of position I wouldn't mind selling to anyone willing to throw money at me. |
| 17:20:44 | prpplague | kernelwork: no wait it wasn't an add, it was a "best of" article in linuxjournal |
| 17:24:20 | EGg0 | is back (gone 15:15:39) |
| 17:24:53 | kernelwork | "best of" - translation: It's cool, but noone can use it because they don't sell directly and can't find resellers. |
| 17:25:34 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:26:09 | prpplague | Tangent: you alive? |
| 17:26:11 | kernelwork | A linux device is useless if it can't replace that headless machine the average linux geek has setup (This includes being hackable) |
| 17:26:21 | prpplague | amen |
| 17:26:28 | kernelwork | Granted, it still has tob e usable by the general populous |
| 17:26:57 | kernelwork | We can have everything, just document the developer interface |
| 17:27:40 | prpplague | exactly |
| 17:29:15 | kernelwork | What they don't get is if someone wants to hack it they probably aren't worried about tech support for the device :) |
| 17:33:48 | prpplague | kernelwork: docs and flexiblity are very important |
| 17:37:34 | kernelwork | That's what I wish my linksys had... |
| 17:47:37 | prpplague | ya |
| 17:54:26 | Russ | afternoon |
| 17:56:46 | AlHazWork | howdy |
| 19:07:50 | jacques | hi ppl |
| 19:08:06 | kernelwork | *gasp* the silence is broken! |
| 19:08:14 | jacques | :-D |
| 19:08:26 | jacques | hi kernelwork, how's it? |
| 19:08:42 | kernelwork | it's well |
| 19:09:05 | kernelwork | and you? |
| 19:12:02 | jacques | oops sorry - got sidetracked |
| 19:12:06 | jacques | I'm fine |
| 19:12:15 | kernelwork | I know how that goes |
| 19:12:24 | prpplague | as well |
| 19:12:24 | jacques | waiting for new and exciting tuxscreen developments |
| 19:12:32 | jacques | hi prpplague |
| 19:13:10 | prpplague | jacques: i'm waiting for my tuxscreen to say "smeghead" everytime the phone rings |
| 19:13:39 | jacques | heh |
| 19:13:46 | jacques | that would be so cool |
| 19:13:59 | kernelwork | I'm waiting for a real cool product to actually hit the market. I think the real case of the death of the 'killer app' is noone is willing to add the last 10% of the features that would make it really cool... |
| 19:14:04 | jacques | i always thought one should be able to use arbitrary samples for phone rings |
| 19:14:17 | jacques | including for cell phones |
| 19:14:19 | jacques | that would rock |
| 19:14:23 | kernelwork | "not everyone needs that feature so it's not important enough to add" |
| 19:14:45 | prpplague | kernelwork: hey now, everyone needs a "smeghead" ringer |
| 19:15:11 | kernelwork | No they don't, but everyone could use a <insert.wav here> ringer ;) |
| 19:15:37 | prpplague | kernelwork: jk |
| 19:16:03 | kernelwork | I'm not, I'd love to be able to insert a wav file for my ringer... |
| 19:16:05 | jacques | yeah, that's our curse |
| 19:16:17 | prpplague | has anyone had problems with the wvlan_cs driver using a true wavelan card? |
| 19:16:22 | jacques | we are in the 1% of users |
| 19:16:23 | kernelwork | Death to the marketing department then? |
| 19:17:07 | kernelwork | jacques: we are in the 1% of users because the products aren't cool enough to get enough of us to buy to make us 5% or more of the users. |
| 19:19:11 | kernelwork | being a minority user sucks. What's worse is these things are designed by fellow minority users... |
| 19:20:18 | prpplague | kernelwork: everyone has to pay there bills |
| 19:21:05 | kernelwork | That is so true. |
| 19:21:35 | kernelwork | It's a shame this capitalism thing ran amok such that only 5% of the population has a majority of the money |
| 19:22:00 | kernelwork | But hey, they get tax breaks for it :) |
| 19:22:14 | kernelwork | Wait, that sounded wrong... |
| 19:31:08 | Niddix | Uggh.. ppp compiled yesterday.. now it bombs.. |
| 19:31:22 | kernelwork | Isn't that always the way things go? |
| 19:31:53 | Niddix | Yeah.. story of my life. |
| 19:32:28 | Niddix | Where can I change the kernel boot parameters? |
| 19:32:42 | Niddix | I don't particularly want ttySA0 as a consol. |
| 19:44:03 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: Uhh... where do you want your console to come from? |
| 19:45:05 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: Is ttySA0 not the serial port on the tux? |
| 19:45:47 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: It is.... |
| 19:46:11 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: You just want to get rid of TTYSA0 all together then? |
| 19:46:34 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: Well at the moment I would like to establish a PPP link over to my laptop. |
| 19:46:56 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: Ahh..... ok.... |
| 19:47:37 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: Get rid of the ttySA0 line in the inittab... that will ensure that nobody is using the ttySA0 line after bootup, but it also means you can't login via the serial port any more |
| 19:48:13 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: Right.. but blob will still be able to use it right? |
| 19:48:25 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: Blob *has* to use it.... no alternatives.... |
| 19:48:58 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: You will also get the inital kernel console messages on the serial port... I think that can be changed by blob, but it might be a compile time thing..... |
| 19:49:12 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: I know nothing about blob a |
| 19:49:44 | Niddix | Niddix: Right.. I still want to be able to get to blob via the serial. |
| 19:49:51 | Niddix | ack ;) |
| 19:50:23 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: I doubt I'll get the PPP link working.. my serial port on my laptop is screwy.. |
| 19:52:22 | Russ | its very easy to get the kernel to not use the serial port |
| 19:53:26 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: PPP is screwy.... |
| 19:53:33 | prpplague | amen |
| 19:53:38 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: If you want to PPP, you should get a bluetooth card instead.... :) |
| 19:54:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you gotten bt working under linux? |
| 19:55:30 | Niddix | Well if the firewall here at work didn't block IRC I could just use the LAN. |
| 19:56:19 | Niddix | Of course, I can always use a crossover cable and just connect the tux to my laptop. |
| 19:56:37 | Niddix | That would be a helluva lot faster as well. |
| 19:57:34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yes, but I can't release it yet-- the wheels of corporations move slowly.... |
| 19:57:46 | Russ | neato, the screen+/- keys work |
| 20:02:27 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: Are those bluetooth cards even going to be available anywhere? |
| 20:33:54 | jacques | I've seen bluethooth pcmcia cards in stores |
| 20:34:05 | jacques | they have a cute little fold-up antenna |
| 20:36:37 | kernelwork | I was starting to wonder if bluetooth was a myth thought up by marketers and the cards Cosmic had were just a fluke :) |
| 20:37:01 | kernelwork | has amazingly little faith in this industry at times |
| 20:37:22 | jacques | :-( |
| 20:37:28 | jacques | I accidentally delated my / partition |
| 20:37:39 | kernelwork | may I ask how? |
| 20:37:51 | jacques | kernelwork: I thought I was logged into a different machine |
| 20:38:08 | prpplague | doh |
| 20:38:36 | jacques | I deleted it, merged it with another partition, and turned the whole thing into swap |
| 20:38:39 | prpplague | i know a guy that did that on one of our customers servers, took down 12 stores |
| 20:39:03 | jacques | prpplague: amazingly, my machine is still running |
| 20:39:07 | jacques | I;m using it right now |
| 20:39:28 | prpplague | jacques: time for a root re-install |
| 21:26:21 | RedBaron_ | Howdy |
| 21:33:27 | RedBaron | Hmm |
| 21:36:37 | RedBaron | hrm |
| 21:39:08 | kernelwork | hrm? |
| 21:39:23 | RedBaron | Just using a new IRC client. Getting used to it |
| 21:42:29 | kernelwork | gotcha, what are you using? |
| 21:42:39 | BZFlag | Russ: you around? |
| 21:43:13 | RedBaron | Trillian. I got tired of all the different chat mechanisms. Some friends on ICQ, Yahoo msg, IRC, various MUDs. Now all trillian needs is a mud interface too |
| 21:47:42 | kernelwork | I like BitchX myself |
| 21:48:22 | RedBaron | *nod* I was using BitchX. But since I talk mainly on MUDs, I figured out a way to run BitchX underneath TinyFugue (a MUD client). It mostly worked. :) |
| 22:11:04 | | bonjour, Keyser_Soze |
| 22:11:04 | Keyser_Soze | hi, ibot. |
| 22:11:20 | | you know how it is |
| 22:11:20 | Keyser_Soze | how are you doing, ibot? |
| 22:12:43 | | i don't know, keyser_soze |
| 22:12:43 | Keyser_Soze | just what do you think you're doing, ibot? |
| 22:13:13 | Keyser_Soze | i'm sorry ibot, i can't allow you to do that. |
| 22:14:12 | Keyser_Soze | Look ibot, I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over. |
| 22:15:40 | Keyser_Soze | ibot... my mind is going... i can feel it. i can feel it. |
| 22:16:44 | Keyser_Soze | i apologize deeply, to everyone who had to witness that. i thought it would be amusing to recreate the conversation in 2001: A space odessey, between HAL and Dave, with me playing the part of HAL, and ibot playing the part of Dave. |
| 22:16:52 | Keyser_Soze | unfortunately, ibot was not cooperative. |
| 22:21:45 | Keyser_Soze | see, i couldn't use lines like, "Open the pod bay doors, ibot", because while easily recognizable, it was spoken by [i]Dave[/i], not HAL. |
| 22:23:58 | Keyser_Soze | and, i only wanted to use lines that contained Dave's name in them, so I could replace it with ibot, to attempt to ellicit a response. |
| 22:35:52 | signal11 | not another restart. ack |
| 22:36:14 | AlHazWork | well, you know, on most chat networks the splits and server outages are caused by malcontents and teenage miscreants |
| 22:36:26 | AlHazWork | since we don't have many of those on OPN, the ops are trying to make us feel more at home |
| 22:38:30 | boris | ehehe |
| 22:39:39 | RedBaron | heh |
| 22:43:19 | prpplague | ok i've got this crazy idea, buy an old libretto, gut it, and insert tuxscreen inards... |
| 22:45:06 | prpplague | what you guys think, portable tuxscreen? |
| 22:45:22 | RedBaron | Thats what I've been doing...sorta. |
| 22:45:44 | RedBaron | But I was going to turn it into a webpad. Keep the keyboard seperate. the IR keyboard is rather cool |
| 22:45:58 | Russ | "I have the Line uCLinux distribution CD and would like to install it under |
| 22:45:58 | Russ | Cygwin." |
| 22:45:59 | Russ | heh |
| 22:46:16 | RedBaron | Right now I just have the money to continue with the project and buy the batteries and charger for them. |
| 22:46:19 | prpplague | Russ: ya i got a kick out of that too |
| 22:46:51 | Russ | who are these people? |
| 22:47:54 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:48:51 | prpplague | i really wish there was something like the libretto, arm based, that linux was running on |
| 22:49:34 | gjg | netwinder? |
| 22:49:59 | prpplague | portable |
| 22:50:03 | gjg | hmm |
| 22:50:08 | gjg | netwinder and a car battery. |
| 22:50:12 | prpplague | gjg: haha |
| 22:50:37 | gjg | hmm...an ARM based notebook..there's an idea. |
| 22:50:54 | prpplague | gjg: my yopy does pretty well but i need a bigger screen and pcmcia |
| 22:52:19 | prpplague | gjg: seems like someone already has an arm laptop out there but i was very expensive |
| 22:52:47 | gjg | hmm |
| 22:54:05 | prpplague | gjg: i'd use a hp jornada but the screen is too small |
| 22:55:58 | prpplague | double doh |
| 23:00:10 | prpplague | hmm psion netbook looks interest, i wonder how the linux support is? |
| 23:01:27 | AlHazWork | psion have generally been arm based, cirrus 7500fe last i checked . . . |
| 23:02:21 | AlHazWork | do they ahve something new out or are you looking at the Diamond-relabled psions that are so cheap these days? |
| 23:03:12 | prpplague | AlHazWork: http://www.psionteklogix.com/main/netbook.htm |
| 23:03:46 | AlHazWork | interewting |
| 23:03:48 | AlHazWork | interesting, too |
| 23:21:21 | AlHazWork | prpplague: must be old, where'd they get sa1100's?? |
| 23:21:21 | prpplague | AlHazWork: thats what i was thinking |
| 23:21:22 | AlHazWork | intel barely admits they existed at this point |
| 23:21:22 | AlHazWork | looks like fun hardware |
| 23:21:22 | AlHazWork | prolly no reason linux couldn't boot on it |
| 23:21:22 | prpplague | AlHazWork: you looking at the netpad or the netbook? |
| 23:22:07 | AlHazWork | netbook |
| 23:26:45 | prpplague | were you able to find the specs? i kept getting the pdf for the netpad |
| 23:27:03 | pattieja | prpplague: that looks like an interesting piece of equipment |
| 23:28:16 | prpplague | hmm i think that the netbook is just a series 7 unit |
| 23:28:20 | AlHazWork | oh, good point |
| 23:28:41 | AlHazWork | yes, I have the netbook pdf |
| 23:28:56 | pattieja | is away: evening |
| 23:29:44 | AlHazWork | and it says it's a 190mhz SA1100 |
| 23:30:03 | prpplague | AlHazWork: hmm need to upgrade my xpdf, no text |
| 23:30:11 | AlHazWork | hmm |
| 23:30:18 | AlHazWork | tried gv? |
