irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.11.20

irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.11.20 00:06:10 SpaceCoaster Russ: having a hard time building 2.4.13...tux2, I don't get a login. 00:17:21 Russ does it hang at "Mounting local file systems:" 00:18:15 Russ btw, the new shannon.c will do the GPDR adjustments in kernels > 2.4.15-pre6-rmk1-tux1, so those should get droped from spi/wheaties/serialflash at some point (reduncy is ok for now) 00:18:37 Russ GPDR modifications can cause races without locking 00:19:30 SpaceCoaster Russ: it hangs just after intialising the ramdisk. I don't get any output on the serial port either. 00:20:05 Russ RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize 00:20:05 Russ SA1100 flash: probing 32-bit flash bus 00:20:18 Russ hold on, lemme release 2.4.15-pre6-rmk1-tux2 00:23:36 Russ SpaceCoaster: can you do a sysrq? 00:25:16 SpaceCoaster no 00:28:25 Russ what if you take out the console=tty1 part, and then try via the serial port 00:29:00 SpaceCoaster is that the CONFIG_CMDLINE? 00:29:06 SpaceCoaster CONFIG_CMDLINE="console=ttySA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mtdblock2 init=/linuxrc" 00:29:35 Russ right 00:29:42 Russ take out console=tty1 00:29:45 Russ er 00:29:59 Russ just do boot console=ttySA0,115200 root=/dev/mtdblock2 init=/linuxrc 00:30:02 Russ from blob 00:30:43 SpaceCoaster ok, output on serial port, stops t same place 00:30:47 SpaceCoaster RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize 00:32:28 Russ can you send a break, then a t? 00:33:44 SpaceCoaster Using minicom Ctrl-a z f t doesn't produce any additional output 00:34:55 Russ hmm 00:35:16 SpaceCoaster gonna try it with SPI and wheaties disabled 00:35:48 SpaceCoaster Russ: should the serial port speeds be 115200 in the default config? 00:36:10 Russ thats the speed it uses if it doesn't get a console= 00:43:43 SpaceCoaster Russ: no SPI, no wheaties, no serial flash, still hangs. 00:49:17 Russ ? 00:49:46 SpaceCoaster the DCC stuff still doesn't work, pop it onto your web site. 00:50:30 Russ http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.15-pre6-rmk1-tux2.gz 00:52:10 SpaceCoaster got it, compiling... 01:08:16 SpaceCoaster Russ: better, hangs at "Mounting local file systems:" 01:11:25 Russ good, thats where its "supposed" to hang 01:11:30 Russ edit you buildroot 01:11:49 Russ and in the /etc/fstab, comment out the /dev/mtdblock2 / line 01:18:04 SpaceCoaster Russ: woohoo, got a login 01:19:35 SpaceCoaster the second mount problem for MTD is being reported for other systems too. 01:23:39 SpaceCoaster Russ: even does a pivot_root when I compile in NFS3 client support. 01:23:54 EGg0 is back (gone 07:45:52) 01:26:40 EGg0 <sigh> I just got my second Tux, the day before I leave for 5 days. Suddenly, going to see my family for the holiday seems like a drag. :-) 01:28:49 boodle got wrong mem from crucial @)#(@ 01:35:37 toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains 01:35:37 Niddix ibot: toolchain 01:45:27 SpaceCoaster Russ: how do we get the touchscreen compiled into the 2.4.15 kernel 02:16:37 Sammy hi all 02:18:20 scanline morning sammy 02:19:00 Sammy howdy scanline : ) 02:20:56 dither ok, stupid question: 02:21:17 dither how do I add my PCMCIA ethernet card to the routing table? 02:21:55 dither NetGear FA411 02:32:30 EGg0 route 192.168.10.3 eth0 ? 02:33:13 EGg0 Assuming the driver has picked it up, it seems like whatever your next network device is free should just be able to have an ip address added. 02:33:20 EGg0 s/?/up ? 02:33:45 EGg0 sorry, have to give the up at the end, like 'route eth0 up' 02:35:01 dither it can't find eth0 02:35:27 EGg0 I'd guess that PCMCIA is not loading the correct driver then. 02:35:45 EGg0 It seems like it's not a routing table problem, but a driver one. 02:35:53 EGg0 See anything with 'lsmod' 02:35:55 EGg0 ? 02:39:19 dither no 02:39:19 dither I agree it seems to be a driver problem 02:39:25 dither it also seems to hang if I reboot with the card in 02:40:19 dither ok, another stupid question 02:40:37 dither does the tuxscreen distro come with the driver 02:40:49 dither and if not, how do I get it on there? 02:42:13 EGg0 dither: Actually, I don't know anything about the 'tuxscreen distro,' like the fact that there even is one. Mine are new still in the boxes, and I was going to install essentially the same system I have on my iPAQ (same hardware). 02:42:31 EGg0 I'd look on debian's site if it's not in the kernel source. 02:43:08 EGg0 Seems like the driver for a netgear PC card should be included in the kernel source though. 02:43:29 EGg0 You might just have to check your PCMCIA configs, I don't know. 02:43:51 dither I'll take a look. thanks 02:54:29 sjm The FA411 uses an NE2000 driver 02:55:46 dither do I need to install that? 02:56:12 sjm If you didn't compile it into the kernel, you'll need to load it as a module 02:56:31 dither I didn't compile the kernel 02:56:56 dither it's just the stock one out of the downloads/v0.4 dir 02:57:33 dither if I boot with the card inserted, insmod is failing 02:58:33 sjm On what? 02:59:04 dither cannot access /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux 02:59:13 dither No such file or directory 03:01:39 BZFlag that's a warning. modules are linked statically into the kernel at present. 03:02:19 dither ok 03:02:26 dither I have it kind of working now 03:02:51 dither it found the card, but I have not link light 03:03:34 dither ejected and inserted 03:05:13 dither I'll have to come back tomorrow and keep trying. thanks guys. 03:05:52 i guess PI is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519 03:05:52 BZFlag ibot: PI 03:07:35 Tangent Now that's useful :) 03:09:58 EGg0 So can I attach an ibot instance to another channel? 03:10:38 scanline eats chicken pot PI 03:12:02 Tangent EGg0 : ibot can be on many different channels, yet... I can attach him to another channel, you cannot 03:12:25 EGg0 Ahh, thought it was a public thing. 03:12:33 EGg0 THat's cool. 03:12:42 rumour has it i am dumb or useless 03:12:42 scanline ibot: who are you? 03:13:03 scanline hmm... used to be he would say "i'm an infobot owned by Tangent and BZFlag" or something like that 03:13:06 Tangent I am ibot's neglectful father.. BZFlag is ibot's caring foster parent. 03:13:12 EGg0 I should probably get around to writing a python module to do what I want to do anyway. 03:13:30 Tangent EGg0 : What is it that you want to do? 03:14:38 EGg0 Tangent: Just thought it would be nice to use on #Edu-Robotics, a channel I'm maintaining for my students and other early robotics/computer kids I teach. 03:15:29 Tangent EGg0 : ibot can be quite rude sometimes :) 03:15:32 EGg0 It's a nice feature for communication, but I don't need all of what ibot can do anyway, so can probably use a simpler bot. 03:15:50 ibot is nothing but a currish heap of dread-bolted entrails. 03:15:50 scanline ibot: insult ibot 03:16:04 Tangent EGg0 : ibot is written in perl.. he's an infobot 03:16:21 Tangent EGg0 : You could easily set up one for your channel too... 03:16:35 Tangent EGg0 : That way, you have control over his information 03:16:44 scanline and his insults 03:16:51 EGg0 Tangent: Once again, I was being lazy :-) 03:20:51 i heard i was dumb or useless. 03:20:51 BZFlag ibot who are you? 03:20:54 rumour has it i am dumb or useless 03:20:54 BZFlag ibot who are you? 03:21:08 i heard i was dumb or useless. 03:21:08 BZFlag ibot ibot? 03:21:15 BZFlag: I forgot ibot 03:21:15 BZFlag ibot forget ibot 03:21:29 i guess EGg0 is a blithering idiot or at mailto:jwpennin@bellsouth.net 03:21:29 EGg0 ibot EGg0 03:21:36 OK, BZFlag. 03:21:36 BZFlag ibot you are an infobot owned by Tangent and BZFlag 03:21:56 EGg0 Yeah, maybe having a bit of control would be a good idea :-) 03:22:52 BZFlag Tangent: I took some of the rude remarks out. ;-) 03:23:24 Tangent BZFlag : Yeah.. probably wise.. I notice that you got the database tools working and can dump_db now too :D 03:23:33 BZFlag I suppose insults could be considered rude. I like em though. ;-) 03:24:01 Tangent BZFlag : It'd be nice to restore the logging that ircbot used to do when #ipaq was on gimp.net 03:24:05 BZFlag yep. bit by bit. I need to fix the monetary functions. 03:24:26 Tangent BZFlag : The insults are cool.. they have to stay 03:24:27 BZFlag what was that like? I could cron a daily log pretty easily. 03:24:40 BZFlag could even split it by channel. 03:25:02 Tangent BZFlag : http://www.handhelds.org/z/irclog/20010111 03:25:43 Tangent Yeah.. we'd want to split by channel 03:26:01 BZFlag heh, was just reading that page. ;-) 03:26:18 Tangent Ah.. fond memories :) 03:27:13 Tangent BZFlag : Also.. the index.. http://www.handhelds.org/z/irclog/ 03:27:49 BZFlag so what happened to ircbot? and who ran that? 03:27:57 BZFlag I'm wondering what software they used. 03:29:20 Tangent BZFlag : It was a channelbot that edwardam hacked to to the logging 03:29:40 BZFlag is there a web server on i.s.o.u ? 03:29:56 BZFlag and do I have user web space? 03:30:23 Tangent BZFlag : There should be space, and if not, it can be arranged.. 03:30:26 Tangent looks 03:31:17 BZFlag http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ - yep. 03:31:28 BZFlag cool. I'll do it sometime. 03:31:53 Tangent BZFlag : We'll give them a better URL than that 03:32:13 Tangent BZFlag : Could even have them mirrored to hh.org too :) 03:33:24 Tangent BZFlag : There's currently 700MB free on /home.. enough to last for a while 03:33:55 BZFlag cool 03:35:24 Tangent Cool.. and of all the space that's being used on the machine.. only 59MB is not my junk :) 05:12:01 Tangent goes to bed.. Night all 05:21:21 EGg0 is away: echo $USER > /dev/neverland 05:36:04 Russ can someone pass me a buildroot image with the diagnostic shell line un-commented? 05:36:50 BZFlag Russ: init=/bin/sh ? 05:44:26 Russ doesn't work with busy box 05:44:37 Russ edit /linuxrc, there is a line there commented out 05:45:03 dirkx BZFlag: /linuxrc - put /bin/sh at the top - or just before the end. 05:45:18 Russ there is already a line, it just needs to be commented out 05:45:22 Russ er 05:45:25 Russ uncommented 05:45:47 Sammy is like this #!/bin/sh ? 05:47:17 dirkx Russ: - you still need a build image with /bin/sh - I;ve got one here ? 05:48:47 Russ ya 05:48:57 Russ Sammy: that's a magic header 05:49:08 Russ Sammy: tells the kernel that its a shell script 05:49:59 dirkx Aye - scp-ing it now to the web site. Hold on. 05:50:44 Sammy :) 05:52:33 dirkx Russ: what is the /dcc command I need to type /dcc send russ filename ? 05:53:39 Russ you being one of those neato cisco dsl thingies 05:53:46 Russ er, behind 05:53:59 Russ where you get a 10.x.x.x address? 05:54:21 dirkx Russ: arg - I see what you mean - actually it is a openbsd firewall followed by a dmz followed by another firewall. I get the point. Copying to a better place. 05:55:33 dirkx http://www.apache.org/~dirkx/tuxscreen-image.jffs 05:55:46 dirkx Noo stop: http:/www.webweaving.org/tuxscreen-image.jffs 05:56:18 dirkx should be the right one. If you wait another 5 minutes then I'll have a version there which does not have things like the wireless and pico/microwindows there- i.e. a stripped down one. 05:56:41 dirkx (THis version is what i am using for testing right now). 05:57:17 dirkx I'll ping you when the other stripped version is there too. 06:00:06 EGg0 is back (gone 00:38:43) 06:00:18 EGg0 is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? 06:01:26 dirkx http://www.webweaving.org/tuxscreen-image-simple.jffs2 is the simpler version. It is htere now. 06:01:33 dirkx bin/echo Mounting ramfs on /var 06:01:33 dirkx echo Diagnostic shell, type 'exit' to continue booting 06:01:39 dirkx exec /sbin/init 06:01:50 Russ 23:03:18 ERROR 404: Not Found. 06:02:19 Russ there we go 06:02:41 dirkx Eh You sure ? I thoughd I new how this apache thing worked :-) 06:03:23 dirkx - you got it ? 06:05:44 raybass mmm... pizza 06:06:59 Russ ya 06:07:24 Russ but "Bummer, could not run '/sbin/getty': Exec format error 06:09:22 Russ # /sbin/getty 06:09:23 Russ Out of Memory: Killed process 25 (sh). 06:09:23 Russ Terminated 06:09:24 Russ hmmm 06:13:11 Russ whats up with your image? 06:25:46 dirkx Russ: sorry back from away - no idea - simple 'make clean; make' - let me download it here to double check if it works. 06:26:49 dirkx The only thing recently changed is a make update on tinlylogin - which I think is the getty ? 06:29:35 dirkx Did a rollback to yesterdays version of tinylogin; make clean && rm root/bin/tinlylogin; make 06:29:47 dirkx is now on http://www.webweaving.org/tuxscreen-image-simple.jffs2 06:30:05 dirkx file root/bin/tinylogin 06:30:08 dirkx root/bin/tinylogin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Advanced RISC Machines ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped 06:30:15 dirkx hmm still the same. Downloading to tux. 06:31:22 dirkx The version which sits on file root/bin/tinylogin 06:31:48 dirkx The version which sits on http://www.webweaving.org/tuxscreen-image-simple.jffs2 when downloaded seems ok. I get a # prompt. 06:33:01 dirkx MD5(tuxscreen-image.jffs2)= 797a90b862db6f718e2a941838c8b510 06:38:12 dirkx Russ: - sorry - but the above one works on two tuxscreens for me. Does the md5 match ? The only thing I can think of is that you fetched the version while some write to it still went on. 06:54:21 Russ type exit now 06:54:29 Russ so it continues its boot 07:02:52 dirkx eh - yes -I just uncommented the # in front of /bin/sh. I.e. it then goes through. You want an exec /bin/sh instead ? 07:04:33 dirkx http://www.webweaving.org/tuxscreen-image-3.jffs2 is what that is (31 seconds of uploading togo). 07:04:45 Russ cool 07:04:46 dirkx I.e. this one has 07:04:46 dirkx echo Diagnostic shell, type 'exit' to continue booting 07:04:46 dirkx exec /bin/sh 07:04:47 dirkx # exec /sbin/init 07:04:52 dirkx And it is there now. 07:05:02 dirkx So the delta is 'exec' or not to 'exec'. 07:05:04 Russ er 07:05:05 dirkx Does that help ? 07:05:09 Russ it should be: 07:05:13 Russ echo Diagnostic shell, type 'exit' to continue booting 07:05:15 Russ /bin/sh 07:05:19 Russ exec /sbin/init 07:05:32 Russ so that you do diagnosing, then type exit, and it continues 07:05:42 dirkx Righty - that was tuxscreen-image-simlpe.jffs2. 07:05:57 Russ probably why it had problems thetn 07:06:12 dirkx Not sure I get it. I am confused now. 07:06:16 Russ er 07:06:24 Russ wait, what I wrote was corret 07:06:27 Russ er, correct 07:06:42 Russ the exec /bin/sh and commentinng out exec /sbin/init is bad 07:07:11 dirkx Ok so you want echo ... ;/sbin/sh; exec /sbin/init ? 07:07:55 dirkx --> echo Diagnostic shell, type 'exit' to continue booting 07:08:01 dirkx --> /bin/sh 07:08:09 dirkx --> exec /sbin/init 07:08:16 dirkx ???? is this what you need ;-) ? 07:08:55 dirkx uploading as http://www.webweaving.org/tuxscreen-image-4.jffs2 (and done in 9 seconds). 07:09:21 dirkx Is there was a way to see what was on the boot command line you could do 07:09:47 dirkx if [ "x$BOOTARGS" = 'x-s' ]; then echo single user; /bin/sh; fi 07:09:57 dirkx :-) ok so number 4 is there too. 07:09:58 Russ right 07:10:24 dirkx Actually that obviously should be '$1' or a loop over $1 .. $# of course. 07:14:09 dirkx MacOS X rocks. Been buring CD's at 16x all evening - and not a single one of them failed out of the 31 sofar. That certainly is a new experience. 07:15:43 dirkx Actually -what I've been doing mostly is making them pivot_root right away to NFS and then taking *everything* from there. 07:16:05 dirkx no trouble. 07:17:01 dirkx One thing which does worry me is that after 3-4 hours NFS starts to fail and one needs to reboot :-) seems very kernal-y. 08:01:35 dirkx Good night, gentle people. 08:06:51 Russ -tux3 uploaded 09:24:03 Sammy Russ : ? 09:24:12 Russ yes? 09:24:42 Sammy Russ: is that you stuck at "Try passing init= option to kernel" ? 09:25:00 Russ ? 09:26:39 Sammy oh, because I boot kernel get stuck at there :( 09:28:16 Russ could be a number of things 09:28:20 Russ what is your rootfs? 09:49:00 Russ hey andersee 09:50:25 andersee hey Russ 09:50:49 Russ are you on linux-mtd? 09:50:51 andersee I saw you got some more patches in rmk's latest 09:50:56 andersee nope 09:51:05 Russ can I get your email? 09:51:12 andersee I just have CVS privs... 09:51:24 andersee Russ: sure andersen at codepoet dot org 09:52:21 Russ wery of the channel spam collecting bots? 09:52:31 andersee btw, busybox 0.60.2 is going out tonight 09:52:33 andersee heh 09:52:42 andersee I'm tired of all spam 09:52:55 andersee I get far too much of it -- some even past my filters... 09:54:36 Russ any insight with that email? 09:55:57 Russ ok, busybox shows this problem when mount -a is performed 09:56:22 Russ "mount -o remount,rw /dev/mtdblock2 /" is ok, "mount /dev/mtdblock2 /" hangs (busybox mount) 09:56:38 Russ it aparently used to be that both were ok 09:57:21 Russ it seems broken, because duplicate mounts also hang 09:57:32 Russ ie, mount /dev/mtdblock2 /mnt 09:58:24 andersee Ugh. Looks like I do the mount syscall in bb, and the kenel is taking its time trying to read the superblock. Then kupdate run and is trying to flush things before the read has finished... 09:59:02 andersee So presumably kupdate is trying to flush with invalid fs metadata.... 09:59:49 Russ lemme see if dwmw2 is around 10:00:00 andersee k 10:00:17 andersee Guess is about 10am there 10:00:42 dwmw2 was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 days, 15 hours, 37 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: Tangent? [Sun Nov 18 18:23:09 2001] 10:00:42 Russ ibot: seen dwmw2 10:01:38 andersee is rereading the trace and the kernel code 10:01:50 andersee ponders 10:03:39 andersee Still pondering -- bear with me 10:03:56 Russ andersee: join #handhelds.org 10:05:06 andersee Russ: done. First analysis was wrong 10:26:03 andersee I'll stick around for a while. Wanna give that a try? 10:36:40 Russ it works 10:37:02 andersee wohoo! 10:37:58 andersee I guess I really should have given it more attention before, rather then just pointing my finger at the kernel folks. Wasn't that bad to figure out (even if I'm not a VFS guru) 10:38:18 andersee That backtrace you got me was _perfect_ 10:38:26 andersee Couldn't have asked for better 10:46:10 Russ I just with I had a cross ksymoops 10:46:37 andersee heh. 10:47:12 andersee Hmm. Is ksymoops x86 only? 10:47:24 andersee Can't you just point it to any symbols file? 10:51:34 Russ right, but when it tries to look at passed values, and tries to decode the exact location of the oops 10:51:39 Russ it gets confused 10:51:56 andersee ahh 10:52:11 andersee sysreq works much better 10:52:24 andersee Can't catch an oops though 11:39:06 scanline is away: sleep 13:35:06 Tangent looks around 13:38:45 Russ yes? 13:50:33 Tangent Just got my net connection back... It's very quiet on IRC today... not just this channel 13:51:06 Russ thats because it 7am-10pm in the US 13:51:11 Russ er, 7am-10am 13:53:08 EGg0 is back (gone 07:52:52) 14:03:22 Tangent Russ : Noramlly seems that around 50% of people here are in the UK... at least seems that way when I'm awake 14:03:40 Tangent got out of bed too early today 14:23:35 EGg0 is away: Hrm.. I reckon I should eat breakfast at some point. 14:37:09 jacquesZzZz ugh 14:37:18 jacques what a day 14:40:26 Tangent jacques : Hi 14:40:31 Tangent BIAB.. in search of food 14:41:14 jacques hi Tangent 14:43:19 EGg0 is back (gone 00:19:43) 16:02:39 MacAtack ok i'm a dumbass... does anyone know how to make the RH 6.2 CD boot the linux install on my HD and not whats on the CD (i didn't make a regular boot disk, and just blew my MBR away) 16:04:37 Tangent MacAtack : Can't you just switch to a different VT when the isntaller starts? 16:04:48 Tangent MacAtack : Or is that some other linux distro 16:05:35 MacAtack never tried changing to a different VT.. then what do i do? mount my hd and run lilo? 16:05:42 Tangent MacAtack : Yep 16:05:47 MacAtack ok 16:06:36 MacAtack here we go... thanks 16:06:37 Tangent MacAtack : Failing that, you could download Slackware boot and root floppies... they're generally very helpful for debugging mbr problems 16:06:47 Tangent Cool... NP 16:07:06 MacAtack i'm gonna try loadlin right now (since i just booted into dos with a floppy) 16:08:52 CosmicPenguin MacAtack: You can go into rescue mode with RH6.2 and get a shell prompt 16:15:47 MacAtack CosmicPenguin: been there.. can't figure out what to do 16:16:19 MacAtack DOUGHT!!! don't hit alt-f4 in a windows box 16:16:52 CosmicPenguin One time I accidently replaced the libc on my system with a MIPS version..... :) 16:17:00 CosmicPenguin The RedHat CD really was my savior that time.... 16:17:09 signal11 i remember that 16:17:12 Niddix CosmicPenguin: Heh.. 16:17:17 signal11 how painful 16:17:29 CosmicPenguin signal11: The best part is that I did it twice.... :) 16:17:32 Niddix CosmicPenguin: The RH 7.2 install puts busybox on now to save you ;) 16:17:37 signal11 it will be much nicer once everything goes to x86 16:17:50 CosmicPenguin Niddix: Thats good..... 16:18:08 MacAtack CosmicPenguin: ok i'm in rescue mode what do i do? i cannot mount my / (i can mount /boot but not / where everything useful lives) 16:18:15 CosmicPenguin Heck, these days I spend more time at a busybox shell prompt than I do at a full blown bash prompt... 16:18:21 Niddix CosmicPenguin: At least you might be able to fix it. 16:18:39 CosmicPenguin MacAtack: Do you know what your various partition names are? 16:18:48 MacAtack i believe so 16:19:06 CosmicPenguin MacAtack: Then you should be able to mount whichever partition you need.... 16:19:16 CosmicPenguin just mkdir a new directory in /mnt and go to town 16:20:23 MacAtack only one i can mount is /dev/hda1... /dev/hda5 is / but when i mount it nothing shows up in my /mnt/hd directory (and just typing mount doesn't show it mounted) 16:20:44 Tangent MacAtack : cat /proc/mounts 16:20:48 MacAtack nope 16:22:05 Tangent MacAtack : You're not using some weird filesystem are you? 16:23:43 Niddix MacAtack: Do you have access to dd in rescue mode? 16:23:54 MacAtack Tangent: nope ext2 16:24:13 MacAtack Niddix: yeah dd is there ... can i make a boot floppy from bzImage ? 16:24:36 Niddix MacAtack: I don't know about that.. But I can dcc you a dd image of my boot floopy. 16:24:45 Niddix s/floopy/floppy 16:25:04 Tangent MacAtack : Download a slackward boot floppy, and use root=/dev/hda5 16:25:12 Tangent s/slackward/slackware 16:25:14 Niddix ln -s floopy floppy 16:25:27 CosmicPenguin Why couldn't the RH rescue kernel mount a ext2 filesystem? 16:25:40 Niddix CosmicPenguin: It should. 16:26:05 MacAtack CosmicPenguin: i've been trying.. boot: linux rescue root=/dev/hda5 ro and it boots into the bash# (rescue mode) 16:26:56 CosmicPenguin MacAtack: But not on your partition? 16:27:32 MacAtack Strange?!?! this time it let me mount my HD (in the rescue mode) 16:27:59 MacAtack CosmicPenguin: no it booted the linux rescue image 16:28:31 Tangent MacAtack : So you can now chroot bash, and then lilo 16:28:43 CosmicPenguin MacAtack: The important thing is that you can get on... 16:28:57 CosmicPenguin Tangent: Or lilo -r <directory> (save a step... :-) ) 16:29:19 Tangent CosmicPenguin : Cool.. didn't know that one 16:29:37 Niddix What are the feelings regarding lilo as opposed to grub? 16:29:44 MacAtack ok got it !! thanks 16:33:38 Tangent Niddix : Hrm.. bootloader versus baby insect larvae... yeah.. sounds like a fair fight :) 16:34:29 Niddix Tangent: Grub is a new bootloader that RedHat 7.2 installs instead of lilo. 16:34:55 Tangent Niddix : Yeah.. i figured it would be some bootloader that i'd never seen :) 16:35:21 Niddix ;) 16:36:55 EGg0 is away: My cat is freaking out! 16:41:27 jacques grub is not bad 16:41:34 jacques it's a lot more modern than lilo 16:41:53 jacques but i found it nearly incomprehensible when trying to read the docs 16:42:40 jacques i'm using it with redhat 7.2 not and it's fine - it knows how to read the file system, kinda like hh.org bootldr, so no more problems with forgetting to run lilo after updating the kernel 17:52:13 prpplague greetings from the bahamas! 18:11:07 Niddix Ok.. this is nuts.. Why is it that I can use hyperterminal in windows to flash my tux.. but in linux it dies? 18:11:08 EGg0 is back (gone 01:34:11) 19:45:47 jaxp hi 19:46:00 MacAtack hi 19:46:20 jaxp got a problem with the familiar X server on the tuxscreen: the pointer of the touchscreen suffer "mirror" effect 19:46:26 jaxp hi macattack 19:46:40 andersee BZFlag: howdy 19:46:42 jaxp s/suffer/suffers 19:47:14 MacAtack unfortunatly i know next to nothing about the tuxscreens... haven't had much time to play with it yet 19:47:39 Niddix jaxp: So what your saying is when you touch the upper lefthand corner it thinks your touching the lower right? 19:47:49 jaxp niddix, right 19:48:01 Niddix jaxp: From what I understand some of them do that. 19:48:16 andersee yup 19:48:17 Niddix jaxp: Have you gotten the latest buildroot from CVS? 19:48:18 andersee some do 19:48:36 jaxp niddix, nope, last time i got it was two weeks ago 19:48:36 andersee need to calibrate the touchscreen and all will be well 19:48:45 jaxp andersee, ok 19:49:06 jaxp so, no need to rebuild? 19:49:13 jaxp just calibrate? 19:50:11 andersee That should do it 19:50:18 jaxp andersee, thanks 19:50:20 andersee It should notice the swapped cood system 19:52:28 BZFlag headed to work. 19:58:12 MacAtack ot.. ne1 know where lynx puts its 'temp' downloaded files? and how i can redirect it to somewhere else 20:05:07 EGg0 is away: off to try a windows computer 20:11:25 EGg0 is back (gone 00:06:15) 21:11:17 BZFlag hacks up the build-root 21:12:08 andersee BZFlag: add something like http://codepoet.org/kernel.patch 21:12:29 andersee Needs some slight updating for Russ' latest 21:12:53 andersee BZFlag: BTW, did Russ tell you we found the kernel mount deadlock 21:13:01 BZFlag no. our issue? 21:13:10 SteveD EGg0: so how was the windows computer? Remember to wash your hands... 21:13:27 andersee BZFlag: Nope. Was in mtd. 21:13:31 EGg0 I just took a shower to be safe. 21:13:35 BZFlag ah 21:13:53 BZFlag what do you mean about: <andersee> BZFlag: add something like http://codepoet.org/kernel.patch ? 21:14:17 SteveD Can anyone point me at some "getting started" info on how to get an autoconf build system successfully cross-compiling? 21:14:21 BZFlag you man to add that patch? or convert the various SOURCE lines to urls? 21:14:55 andersee BZFlag: mtd was calling read_super, which took a while and got scheduled out holding a spinlock 21:14:59 BZFlag SteveD: often you can just "./configure linux-arm" or some such. 21:15:15 BZFlag ah. fixed now? 21:15:17 andersee BZFlag: then kupdated came along and hit read_super, and deadlocked 21:15:24 andersee yup 21:15:28 BZFlag cool. 21:15:50 BZFlag in current buildroot? or with that patch you posted? 21:15:58 andersee dwmw2 checked the fix into CVS about 3am ish 21:16:17 andersee mtd CVS. Not yet in buildroot unless Russ cut a new patch 21:16:27 BZFlag ok 21:16:39 BZFlag I'm starting on some blob work here. 21:16:45 andersee BTW, that patch I posted was just to update us to the new kernel from Russ 21:16:54 Niddix BZFlag: Just something I noticed.. 21:16:56 BZFlag So I'll start updating buildroot ;-) 21:17:09 Niddix BZFlag: If you do a 'make distclean' 21:17:36 BZFlag Niddix: yep, it didn't delete the rz and blob trees, and it does nuke all of sources. 21:17:38 Niddix BZFlag: It rm's the CVS buildroot-tux stuff from sources. 21:18:01 BZFlag I'm moving DLed stuff to sources/dl at the moment. 21:18:21 BZFlag I'll CVS commit it when the rebuild finishes. 21:18:27 Niddix BZFlag: Ah.. ok.. any idea why doing a CVS up won't get them again? 21:18:36 BZFlag cvs up -PdA will 21:19:58 Niddix BZFlag: Ahh. Thats been driving me crazy for the past few days.. 21:20:54 SteveD BZFlag: tx for the ./configure tip - gets me on the way at least 21:21:26 EGg0 is away: soldering 21:24:28 BZFlag np 21:27:48 BZFlag ok, all you base belong to us 21:28:27 BZFlag I'm committing to CVS, you will need to move all the DLed stuff to sources/dl/ if you don't want to suck em all down again. 21:29:38 BZFlag cat sources/.cvsignore to get a list of things to move. (before doing a cvs update as I'm changing that file too) 21:32:11 Niddix Now if I could just figure out why linux doens't like my serial port I'll be all set. 21:32:30 AlHazWork Niddix: "doesn't like"? 21:32:39 Niddix Serialport on my laptop that is. 21:32:43 AlHazWork 115k isn't reliable on my athlon box, but works fine on my notebook. 21:32:48 Niddix AlHazWork: Well it just craps out. 21:33:07 Niddix AlHazWork: I can go up to 115k using Hyperterm in Windows.. 21:33:18 Niddix AlHazWorkL I can't even get 9600 in Linux. 21:33:28 AlHazWork Niddix: interesting 21:33:52 Niddix AlHazWork: I'm assuming its a driver issue. But I can't find anything similar when searching. 21:35:12 Niddix AlHazWork: It's rather annoying to have to reboot into windows to flash my tux. 21:38:20 BZFlag patch in cvs... move your sources, or dl again. distclean should work now. 21:43:02 Niddix Cool explore2fs works on ext3 filesystems. 21:53:32 BZFlag eep. mw needed patching too. committed 21:54:21 Russ hey Niddix 21:54:55 Niddix Russ: Hey Russ.. You mentioned you wanted me to get you some debug info with udhcp? I can finally build and all now. 21:57:01 Russ just edit the Makefile, and umcomment the DEBUG thing 21:57:10 BZFlag Niddix: I'll be fixing udhcpc linuxrc in a sec... 21:57:48 Niddix BZFlag: Actually having a problem with udhcp accepting the forked up packets being sent out by Novell. 21:58:29 BZFlag ah. good luck fixing it. ;-) 21:58:33 Russ BZFlag: would it be easier if when supplied with -n -q, it returned TRUE/FALSE based on success/failure? or do you want to determine that in the scripts 21:58:43 BZFlag have you tcpdump'ed it? 21:58:51 Russ BZFlag: its a weird tcpdubp 21:58:53 Russ er, dump 21:59:07 Russ the packets from the novell server have garbage at the end 21:59:17 BZFlag Russ: where does it put name and path now? 21:59:37 Russ its all in the env vars 21:59:45 BZFlag that's easy enough. 22:00:03 Russ check udhcp-0.9.6/READEM 22:00:08 Russ er, README 22:01:26 Russ siaddr, boot_file, sname 22:01:31 Niddix bbiaf 22:01:32 BZFlag will do. flashing current buildroot with microwindows now to make sure I didn't break anything. 22:09:17 andersee Russ: So I helped figure out the mount problem for you... Wanna add fixed ip support to udhcpd for me? 22:11:35 BZFlag are you running udhcpd on winder? 22:12:14 andersee yup 22:12:24 andersee figured I'd try it out 22:12:39 andersee Can't assign fixed ips to a MAC addr 22:13:02 andersee So my laptop's IP just comes out of the pool 22:13:08 EGg0 Damn, it's pretty much confirmed. Trying to use my TuxScreen with that windows cable seems to have burnt out my serial port. 22:13:54 EGg0 I can't write to it with my robotics hardware, or GPS reciever as well as my iPAQ now. 22:15:35 BZFlag Russ: did you convert the normal udhcpc script to the unified one I wrote for tux? 22:15:57 BZFlag andersee: hexedit the leases file? ;-) 22:16:01 EGg0 is away: running to the store to buy a sledgehammer. 22:16:15 andersee no good.... 22:16:46 BZFlag EGg0: your are sure you have the correct baud rate and handshaking? 22:17:06 SteveD EGg0: I'd say its unlikely your serial port is damaged 22:19:01 EGg0 is back (gone 00:02:59) 22:19:18 EGg0 Damn, thought RatShack would have at least one part I need. 22:20:27 EGg0 BZFlag: With my GPS reciever and my robotics controller, I'm talking to the serial port through Python. With my iPAQ, everything is as it always is, checked and rechecked. Nothing works. 22:22:49 scanline is back (gone 10:43:43) 22:23:35 Russ BZFlag: yah, it just calls one script now 22:23:49 Russ andersee: I've been meaning to do it, but haven't had a chance to 22:24:05 andersee Russ: I know all about that.... 22:28:41 Niddix BZFlag: I should move everything listed in the old .cvsignore to sources/dl? 22:29:05 Niddix BZFlag: Wait nevermind. 22:32:34 Niddix BZFlag: .cvsignore has jpeg-* but in my sources I have jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz, that the same thing? 22:34:44 Niddix Russ: There is no DEBUG commented out in the Makefile. 22:35:36 BZFlag who did tinytoe? 22:36:06 BZFlag whoever it was, please remove the files you are overwriting. 22:36:30 BZFlag /linuxrc for example. (oh, and it's MY script, not erik's ;-) 22:37:06 BZFlag Niddix: udhcp*/Makefile 22:37:20 EGg0 Nope, booted my laptop into windows and used the same settings as on my wife's windows computer- same thing. I think I have a dead serial port. 22:37:50 BZFlag Niddix: jpeg* is not in .cvsignore anymore. I just removed it. 22:38:00 Niddix slaps his head. 22:38:04 BZFlag EGg0: and the machine is alive? 22:38:17 BZFlag or you reboot it and get nothing from blob? but it does boot? 22:39:53 EGg0 The TuxScreen? Seems to be, although I can't connect via Inferno because I used that damn windows "real" null-modem cable instead of building on myself. 22:40:12 EGg0 The TuxScreen works with the system that's on it though. 22:40:16 BZFlag Russ: exec /usr/share/udhcpc/default.$1 <- from included sample script. 22:41:43 BZFlag Russ: so the answer is no, you still include all the different scripts, but tux has it's one integrated script. right? 22:42:18 Russ BZFlag: the one script just calls different scripts 22:42:29 Russ BZFlag: you probably want to replace the scripts anyway 22:42:46 BZFlag EGg0: you are booting the tux, hitting esc, then ctrl-a to get to the debugger? 22:43:17 BZFlag Russ: we do. I just thought you might want to include the tux script instead of the different ones that are in the distro. 22:43:45 EGg0 Yeah, but I had a cable that was made for micro$oft with all kinds of wires crossed. I haven't tried it again with a homemade cable, because I can't do anything with my serial port. 22:43:45 BZFlag I'll be hacking that one for nfs pivot_root support shortly. 22:44:14 BZFlag EGg0: I doubt you actually have a bad port. 22:44:35 BZFlag I suspect instead that you are not running anything on the tux that will do anything on the port. 22:44:55 Niddix is rebooting into windows to load the debug udhcp 22:45:20 BZFlag is confused my Niddix's words. 22:45:30 BZFlag er by 22:45:56 BZFlag wonders why Niddix would need windows to load a linux binary onto a linux phone. 22:46:01 EGg0 BZFlag: I doubted it too. But everything I connect to it does not work. All the stuff that I have used repeatedly with these same settings, and I get the same outcome from windows. There's not much else I see that it can be. 22:46:28 BZFlag EGg0: what were you running on the tux to talk to the serial port? 22:47:07 BZFlag ie: define what you expect to happen when it "work"s 22:48:24 EGg0 BZFlag: I wasn't running anything yet, I was trying to get Inferno working to communicate so that I could install the bootldr, and consistantly got that non-recoverable loop that I told you about. 22:49:42 EGg0 <0?><terminal mode> \n <sending reset> then loop. the <0?><terminal mode> came when everyone else was seeing <bps=9600> or something. 22:51:07 BZFlag EGg0: and what is now on the tux display? 22:53:33 EGg0 BZFlag: It's not on now, this was 2 days ago when I tried to install Linux. I returned the windows cable and haven't tried with the TuxScreen again. I'm in the process of making a new cable, but wanted to check my serial port with my GPS reciever and other known working items to troubleshoot my ipaq problem before I tried with the TuxScreen again. 22:55:25 BZFlag huh? so what do you suspect has the bad serial port? 22:57:36 EGg0 My laptop. 22:58:28 EGg0 That's what I've been trying to make work with my ipaq/GPS/etc. THat's what I booted into windows and still couldn't make work. 22:58:44 BZFlag ah. 22:59:04 BZFlag iyou checked to see if it was off in the bios for some reason? 22:59:22 EGg0 Yeah, I swapped ports in the BIOS to no avail. 22:59:39 BZFlag bummer. 22:59:58 BZFlag thought EGg0 was saying he had a bad port on the tux 23:00:27 EGg0 What I think is that when I connected the TuxScreen with that stupid windows-based null modem cable, something got screwed up. Didn't seem likely to me at first, but it seems increasingly the cake. 23:00:35 EGg0 No, no, the tux seems fine. 23:03:28 BZFlag I still highly doubt that a miswired serial cable can do any harm to either side. 23:04:01 BZFlag wonders why Niddix needs windows to install a linux binary on a linux phone. 23:05:29 Niddix wonders why his serial port won't transfer a file larger than 4k in linux but works just fine in windows. 23:05:53 Russ using minicom? 23:06:03 Niddix Russ: Yep 23:07:07 Niddix Russ: It starts the transfer and almost immediatly blob says somethig about invalid data. 23:07:17 Niddix Russ: Inferno remote didn't work either. 23:07:31 AlHazWork Niddix: The issue i have, I don't seem to have trouble piping uuencoded files to blob, but minicom loses big chunks of data just using it as a serial terminal 23:07:53 bhima had no luck with infernoremote under win98. Under FreeBSD it seemed to work perfectly. 23:08:06 Russ Niddix: what are you ding to transfer it, expain the steps from download kernel<CR> 23:08:06 Niddix AlHazWork: Mine seems to work fine as a terminal.. its just when I try to dump lots of data it dies. 23:09:30 BZFlag Niddix: you have inferno on your tux?? InfernoRemote will not talk to blob, just inferno (well, sboot) 23:10:02 Niddix BZFlag: I was refering to before I got blob on it. 23:10:08 BZFlag ah 23:10:29 Niddix Russ: Open xterm.. then type uuencode tuxscreen-kernel foo > /dev/ttyS0 23:10:39 Niddix Russ: minicomm is still connect. 23:11:00 Russ Niddix: do you have flow control on in minicom? 23:11:29 Niddix Russ: Umm.. can't tell you for sure at the moment. 23:11:40 BZFlag Niddix: you could try uuencode to another file and then ascii upload that file. 23:12:00 Niddix BZFlag: I'm in windows at the moment :) 23:12:10 Russ ah 23:12:12 Niddix Russ: If it is on by default on a new install then yes. 23:12:23 Russ Niddix: try turning it off 23:12:27 Niddix Russ: I just finsihed flashing ramdisk with my new image.. 23:12:28 BZFlag did you find a uuencode for windows then? can you add a link to the wiki someplace? 23:13:34 Niddix BZFlag: Its right on the bottem of InstallingLinux (28http://www.bastet.com/software/software.html) Notes added by Robert Brown. 23:13:43 Niddix s/bottem/bottom 23:13:55 BZFlag cool. 23:14:06 Niddix BZFlag: Thats how I found it ;) 23:14:23 Niddix BZFlag: I just opted to use Hyperterminal instead of downloading TeraTerm. 23:16:08 Niddix rebooting in linux to check minicom. 23:24:11 Niddix Russ: If I turn flow control off I just get garbage. 23:25:38 BZFlag Niddix: flow control should be off. 23:25:55 BZFlag depending on the blob release you should either be at 9600 or 115200 23:27:10 Niddix BZFlag: If I turn flowcontrol off. I get garbage.. if I turn it on I can at least connect.. but can't download. 23:30:36 Niddix BZFlag: The error I get is... received character out of range. Aborting. 23:30:41 BZFlag tinylogin is broken. CC=cc 23:31:05 BZFlag Niddix: which release? and which baud? 23:31:48 andersee BZFlag: it is? 23:32:00 andersee BZFlag: done a 'cvs up' to double check? 23:32:31 andersee BZFlag: or a 'rm -rf tinylogin sources/tinylogin'? 23:32:36 Niddix BZFlag: Ok.. its letting me connect now at 115200 with no flow control. 23:32:53 BZFlag andersee: both. 23:33:12 Niddix BZFlag: blob version 2.0.4 23:33:12 BZFlag andersee: it has "#CC=$(CROSS)gcc" 23:33:53 BZFlag Niddix: 2.0.4 from the buildroot? that should be 115200, yes. 23:34:11 andersee BZFlag: oops. 23:34:25 BZFlag andersee: heh 23:34:33 andersee BZFlag: fixed 23:34:42 BZFlag cool. 23:34:51 andersee BZFlag: I just updated the daily snapshot for you too (a bit early) 23:34:59 Niddix BZFlag: Nod.. but it still dies almost immediatly when I start to trasfer. 23:35:43 BZFlag cool, reverting my makefile hack and testing. 23:36:34 BZFlag andersee: seems to be working again. thanx. 23:36:45 andersee no problem. 23:36:49 andersee Glad to help 23:42:15 Niddix Russ: Ok.. 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