| 00:07:48 | jacques | heh, now at least one guy in my ofice wants some to run linux on |
| 00:21:26 | EGg0 | is away: who am I kidding |
| 00:21:35 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:00:05) |
| 00:26:35 | jacques | hmm, keyboard seems to work pretty well to me |
| 00:27:14 | EGg0 | jacques Except that it doesn't have a cable to stop it from crashing to the floor when I knock it off the table. |
| 00:28:53 | jacques | with new batts the range is not bad at all |
| 00:29:06 | jacques | maybe the AAAa are too small to last very long and that's why ppl complain |
| 00:37:14 | jacques | is there a screensaver mode in the builtin gui? |
| 00:38:19 | EGg0 | Yeah, it blanks the screen after a couple minutes. |
| 00:38:38 | jacques | heh i havent stopped playing with it for that long |
| 00:42:30 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK, scanline: wanna try the tscal driver, it's a winner! |
| 00:43:39 | jacques | yep screen blanked |
| 00:44:27 | SpaceCoaster | jacques: so when are you going to install linux? |
| 00:45:21 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: hopefully tonight after work |
| 00:45:36 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: I dont have all the stuff I need atthe office or I would considre it :-) |
| 00:46:31 | SpaceCoaster | The 12V power DC supply and the null modem cable seem to more difficult for people than you would first think. |
| 00:47:17 | jacques | I am planning to use a small 25 watt switching supply I have - I hope that's OK |
| 00:47:52 | jacques | hmmm, I have null modems at work and home, but I need to find the box with the adaptors at home... |
| 00:48:13 | SpaceCoaster | should be tho' sometimes switching supplies do odd things under no load. Can you check it with a meter? |
| 00:48:34 | jacques | with a meter it's very close to 12V no-load |
| 00:49:36 | jacques | (you know it might not be a switching supply - i need to open it up and take a look) |
| 00:49:41 | SpaceCoaster | cool, just checking, someone here insisted for hours that the power supply was good then found it was AC, oops, egg on face. |
| 00:49:55 | jacques | heh |
| 00:50:27 | jacques | worst cast I'll rig something up with 8 AA batteries |
| 00:51:24 | jacques | hmm, with new batteries the IR keyboard is really not bad at all |
| 00:51:53 | SpaceCoaster | yeah, it has great range 15-20ft |
| 00:51:57 | jacques | i can bouce it off 2 white walls and still talk to the tux |
| 00:52:18 | jacques | yeah - believe me I cant see the screen from nearly that far away :-) |
| 00:53:56 | SpaceCoaster | jacques: the screen looks much better when the contrast/brightness is adjusted and it has a coloured background instead of the crummy grey. |
| 00:54:26 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: yeah, I already played with contrast/bright - and I strongly suspected about the gray |
| 00:54:32 | jacques | what were they thinking? :-) |
| 00:55:09 | SpaceCoaster | jacques: it is using tk for the graphics and that is just the default. |
| 00:55:37 | jacques | heh |
| 00:56:04 | jacques | I'm getting faint moving diagonal lines - it's probably all the EMF noise in this room |
| 00:56:30 | SpaceCoaster | good value for $99 eh? |
| 00:56:53 | jacques | amazing value |
| 00:57:41 | SpaceCoaster | but BZFlag isn't here so we can say this stuff :-) |
| 00:57:58 | jacques | some of the other geeks in my office are surfing tuxscreen.net this very minute |
| 01:00:28 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: I heard ibot is a spy for bzflag |
| 01:01:59 | | bugger all, i dunno, spacecoaster |
| 01:01:59 | SpaceCoaster | ibot: are you a spy for BZFlag? |
| 01:07:09 | | spying for BZflag. |
| 01:07:09 | jacques | ibot: what is your secret function? |
| 01:07:16 | jacques | aHA! |
| 01:07:21 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: thanks for the heads-up re the MCP bus, I was having trouble figuring out how the bit-banging of the DSP and serial flash would work. It was a case of RTFM ;>) I've been reading serial_flash.c, spi.h, and spi.c I don't see why the erase shouldn't work. Time for a logic analyzer on the pins ;>) |
| 01:09:43 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: pleasure to have a to and fro on that stuff, at the moment it fakes the erase by writing 0xff, sortof works. |
| 01:11:41 | jacques | now, where can one get 32MB SODIMMs ? |
| 01:11:48 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: saw that, as long as you dont want to do any of the fancy stuff that Atmel talks about, it's ok. |
| 01:11:50 | jacques | (that work in the tuxscreen) |
| 01:12:45 | SpaceCoaster | www.crucial.com see the wiki for part numbers, they like to ship the wrong parts tho' |
| 01:13:17 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: it looks like the spi_xfer_bits routine is only used successfully with a device=SPI_NODEV, could there be a problem there? |
| 01:13:19 | jacques | heh |
| 01:14:21 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: the erase routines use device= SPI_Flash. |
| 01:14:47 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: SPI_NODEV is really a hack to stop xfer_bits setting the chip enable when it has already been done. All the other routines do it outside. Hmm let me check. |
| 01:16:36 | jacques | whoa! those arent cheap |
| 01:16:41 | jacques | they should be tho |
| 01:16:44 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: I've only looked at serial_flash.c ,spi.c, spi.h, are there any other modules (routines) that use spi_xfer_bits? |
| 01:17:24 | SpaceCoaster | wheaties.c can use it but we backed out most of that stuff. |
| 01:18:18 | GPSFan | backed out because it didn't work or wrote some better code? |
| 01:20:25 | SpaceCoaster | the new code didn't have a 10ms delay, and the xfer_bits came out and the delay went in. I don't think xfer_bits was the problem but haven't checked. |
| 01:22:44 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: maybe the real problem lies in xfer_bits. So you are not doing any real erasing at all, just writing 0xff to the blocks? |
| 01:24:39 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: I'm using the write with erase command so it amounts to the same thing. The xfer_bits routine is used for flash_wait and that works when reading or writing, just not when erasing! |
| 01:26:39 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: I wrote a driver today to put back the touchscreen translation that got dropped from the new kernels. I'm quite proud of it it's neat, called tscal.c in CVS. |
| 01:28:27 | GPSFan | ah, I see now that command 0x82 really is a combination of 0x84 and 0x83. |
| 01:29:27 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: but then again write_page only uses spi_xfer_bits with device=SPI_NODEV the remander of the xfer is done inside write_page. |
| 01:30:58 | SpaceCoaster | true, so it might be the sending of commands with xfer_bits. |
| 01:31:48 | GPSFan | just looking at tscal.c now ;>) |
| 01:42:55 | SpaceCoaster | root |
| 01:43:01 | SpaceCoaster | oops |
| 01:44:20 | boodle | Greetings! typing this under linux on IA-1 |
| 01:46:14 | SpaceCoaster | boodle: cool |
| 01:46:41 | GPSFan | boodle: what sort of NIC? |
| 01:47:27 | boodle | using jailbait. now I'm tempted to hack the heck out of this.. chrooting to debian etc... |
| 01:47:36 | boodle | only wish it had a touchscreen :( |
| 01:48:44 | boodle | jailbait pretty nifty though. 16MB distro with netscape, blackbox, irc, ishmail etc.. and boots of cf-flash (need to try on jornada) |
| 01:49:09 | boodle | remembers cross-compiling it.. |
| 01:49:20 | boodle | but nice to see how they accomplish the boot sequence with shm etc.. |
| 01:50:00 | | hey, ph6 |
| 01:50:00 | ph6 | hi |
| 01:50:16 | ph6 | can a HDD be attached to the tuxscreen ? |
| 01:50:55 | GPSFan | ph6: via PCMCIA or an IBM MicroDrive. |
| 01:51:04 | RedBaron | An IBM compactflash microdrive can, |
| 01:51:43 | ph6 | GPSFan, well.. I was hoping to use the tuxscreen to be able to transfer data from a microdrive to a 2.5" disk |
| 01:52:47 | GPSFan | ph6: with the 5V PCMCIA mod and a PCMCIA-2.5" adapter it should be possible. |
| 01:53:24 | ph6 | what kind of file system does it use ? |
| 01:53:34 | ph6 | does it not have an IDE support ? |
| 01:54:09 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: have you seen the references to "answering machine" functions in shandsp.h from Inferno? |
| 01:54:24 | SpaceCoaster | no, not yet... |
| 01:55:04 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: such as: #define DSP_START_REC_CMD 0x13 |
| 01:55:04 | GPSFan | // Start recording |
| 01:55:04 | GPSFan | #define DSP_STOP_REC_CMD 0x11 |
| 01:55:04 | GPSFan | // Stop recording |
| 01:55:17 | ph6 | hmm... maybe tuxscreen is not what I need |
| 01:56:18 | EGg0 | ACK! Blasphemy! |
| 01:56:24 | ph6 | what's the cheapest SBC around that has IDE support ? |
| 01:56:30 | EGg0 | Everyone needs a TuxScreen! |
| 01:56:46 | GPSFan | or 2 or 3. ;>) |
| 01:57:07 | EGg0 | At least two |
| 01:57:56 | EGg0 | Hey, I have a question... |
| 01:58:10 | EGg0 | Could Superman beat up the Devil? |
| 01:58:27 | EGg0 | I mean, if the devil didn't have any Krytonite. |
| 01:58:29 | EGg0 | :-) |
| 01:58:36 | EGg0 | is getting tired. |
| 01:59:42 | boodle | Can someone please explain the difference (if any) between pivot_root and chroot? |
| 02:03:11 | SpaceCoaster | pivot_root swaps the root filesystem with another, chroot just constrains a single process to operate in a restricted directory. One effects the whole system, the other a single process (and it's children). |
| 02:03:46 | boodle | SpaceCoaster: Thank you |
| 02:04:39 | boodle | so.. if trying to go to another device, pivot_root provides more complete change... but I guess the new root's /lib/modules stuff still needs to be based on same kernel used for booting? |
| 02:05:46 | SpaceCoaster | yes it is still running the same kernel so that (and /dev) must be consistent. |
| 02:06:06 | boodle | nods |
| 02:06:13 | boodle | ok thanks |
| 02:06:37 | ph6 | I am trying to build a handheld device to transfer files from compact flash to a hard disk preferable 2.5" |
| 02:06:48 | ph6 | hopefully it will also have USB or TCP/IP |
| 02:06:51 | ph6 | any ideas ? |
| 02:07:10 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: those DSP commands are very interesting. |
| 02:07:50 | boodle | any other ia-1 hackers here per chance? (will put together a web page on it if enough interest) |
| 02:08:45 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: there is refderence to speech synthesys, as well as storing data on PCMCIA cards too. |
| 02:10:22 | SpaceCoaster | wow, I see compression/decompression but no synthesis |
| 02:10:46 | SpaceCoaster | the PCMCIA access is cool too. |
| 02:10:47 | RedBaron | ph6: linuxdevices.com has some pointers to various SBC linuxable machines. IIRC there is a 386 or a 486 that has an IDE controller that is very small. Like the size of a SIMM |
| 02:11:35 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: well, not really synthesys, but RCLEP coding. I haven't fonund anything in shandsp.c that uses those functions yet. |
| 02:12:35 | ph6 | redbaron, I have been there but most of the sites do not publish prices or have quotes for 1000 peices |
| 02:13:08 | ph6 | can the tuxscreen run on batteries ? |
| 02:13:38 | RedBaron | ph6: You can email them and ask. I did that for some a couple of those devices. |
| 02:13:52 | ph6 | red any ideas on prices ? |
| 02:14:04 | ph6 | which ones are cheapest ? |
| 02:14:09 | RedBaron | ph6: Yes it can, if you setup a couple of voltage regulators. I've done it. its not that hard. |
| 02:14:40 | RedBaron | ph6: I have no idea for mass quantities..I was only looking for prices for a single one. and it was all horribly expensive for my taste. all of them. |
| 02:14:41 | ph6 | would it be possible to adept the tuxscreen to do what I want ? |
| 02:15:04 | ph6 | adept = adapt |
| 02:15:07 | BZFlag | boodle: I've hacked my ia-1 |
| 02:15:25 | RedBaron | ph6: You want a device to xfer CF to a IDE drive? is that it? |
| 02:15:38 | BZFlag | boodle: I just put debian on a udrive and boot into that. |
| 02:15:50 | ph6 | red yes that's it.... |
| 02:16:44 | ph6 | would be nice if it have TCP/IP ethernet too, to d/loadn the data from the device to a PC at a later date |
| 02:17:09 | RedBaron | ph6: I guess its possible. Like GPSFan said. You can get a 5V pcmcia IDE interface. But the tuxscreen doesnt have a 5V slot. you have to hack it to make that work. The tux has two pcmcia slots though. one could have an ethernet card |
| 02:17:19 | RedBaron | ph6: why do you want to do this? |
| 02:17:41 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: have you seen my latest driver effort? |
| 02:18:03 | boodle | BZFlag: that's exactly what tried but.. dumb ? can't seem to get lilo setup right.. if you have a lilo.conf handy with relevant cmdline args for writing bootloader, I'd highly appreciate it |
| 02:18:14 | ph6 | red, basically I have a digital camera and I like to go on hikes with it |
| 02:18:21 | boodle | BZFlag: used jailbait 16mb image (per linuxhacker) |
| 02:18:26 | RedBaron | ph6: Ah. I see. |
| 02:18:38 | ph6 | and I need some way other than to but LOTS of CF cards for a week hike! |
| 02:18:50 | RedBaron | ph6: *nod* Makes sense |
| 02:19:29 | ph6 | red, so yopu reckon the tux can handle this ? I can turn it into a portable device ? |
| 02:20:11 | boodle | bzflag: got 0x04 errors, then tried adding 'linear' to it and got 0x40 errs. was trying to use potato and stable potato kernel |
| 02:20:12 | RedBaron | ph6: Oh yeah. But you'll have to do some somewhat serious hardware hacking. I'm trying to turn it into a webpad. And I've run mine off a 12V battery. |
| 02:21:11 | ph6 | and some serioud software hacking too by the sound of it |
| 02:21:49 | RedBaron | ph6: A decent amount...yeah. but I think most of the framework has been setup by the guys here already. |
| 02:21:50 | ph6 | it does not have a filesystem does it ? |
| 02:22:48 | RedBaron | ph6: what does not? the tux? It uses jffs on the onboard flashmemory. |
| 02:23:38 | jacques_food | is there a list of comatible hardware on the wiki? |
| 02:24:03 | ph6 | red, I see..... |
| 02:24:08 | jacques | I am mostly interested in network cards ATM |
| 02:24:37 | RedBaron | ph6: I'm pretty sure you can also run from an IBM microdrive. |
| 02:24:48 | ph6 | hey.. if I put in say a 3com ethernet card, does that mean the tux will immediately be able to support the TCP/IP |
| 02:24:51 | RedBaron | jacques: there are some on the wiki. |
| 02:27:03 | ph6 | tim... how much would it cost to ship one to London ? |
| 02:28:05 | jacques | BZFlag: these are so cool! :-D |
| 02:28:40 | ph6 | BZFlag .. how much would it cost to ship one to London ? |
| 02:31:41 | jacques | wonder where Tangent is - he had some shipped to London |
| 02:31:46 | jacques | i guess hes asleep |
| 02:31:57 | | bugger all, i dunno, jacques |
| 02:31:57 | jacques | ibot: wht time is it in London, UK? |
| 02:32:42 | | OK, jacques. |
| 02:32:42 | jacques | ibot: you suck - smarterchild is much smarter than you |
| 02:32:43 | boodle | you may want to try wiki.. link somewhere to usps website with orem,ut filled in. will calc rate to wherever for weight of tuxscreen (13lbs?) |
| 02:33:02 | jacques | (19:34:54) linuxjacques: time london uk |
| 02:33:02 | jacques | (19:34:54) SmarterChild: This is SmarterChild, built by ActiveBuddy, Inc. |
| 02:33:02 | jacques | The date and time in London, United Kingdom is Saturday November 17th, 2001 03:35:10 am. |
| 02:33:30 | jacques | 2 tuxscreens are 17lbs 1 oz |
| 02:33:57 | jacques | I guess one is about half that |
| 02:34:51 | jacques | Each phone is in a 15x13x5 inch box that weighs about 7 lbs 13 oz. |
| 02:36:03 | jacques | boodle: looks like UPS link on wiki is only for domestic (US) shipping |
| 02:36:41 | boodle | jacques: ah.. |
| 02:36:57 | AlHaz | usps has a different page for international calculations |
| 02:37:03 | AlHaz | www.usps.com will link to it |
| 02:37:17 | ph6 | man... these SBCs all cost like several hundred bucks...... |
| 02:37:34 | jacques | boodle: oops I misread your statement - there very wl may be another link o the wiki fo rinternational shipping |
| 02:38:16 | jacques | boodle: and the link I saw is for USPS, not UPS :-) I'm not being very helpful |
| 02:38:32 | jacques | shuts up now. |
| 02:39:15 | boodle | jacques: I meant usps but you're prolly right about only being setup for domestic calcs.. prolly somewhere to get to intl calcs (like alhaz says) |
| 02:41:25 | boodle | on ia-1 now and netscape kinda sluggish on it |
| 02:41:52 | jacques | considers running to Fry's and getting a couple of supported NICs. |
| 02:48:28 | BZFlag | ph6: there is an international postage link on the wiki. |
| 02:50:38 | ph6 | 99 for the tux,and 30 for shipping... hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:51:26 | jacques | ph6: but more than one, maybe shipping per phone will go down |
| 02:51:29 | EGg0 | is away: Sleepy time... "Put the TuxScreen away or call the Divorce lawyer" ... :-) |
| 02:51:32 | jacques | but==buy |
| 02:51:51 | jacques | is glad he's not married at times like this. |
| 02:52:13 | EGg0 | Ask me again in a week, I may not be :-) |
| 02:52:21 | jacques | lol |
| 02:52:30 | BZFlag | jacques: I don't ship UPS, that's why there is no link |
| 02:53:15 | jacques | BZFlag: yeah, I misspoke |
| 02:53:34 | BZFlag | no prob |
| 02:55:32 | jacques | biab - going to fry's |
| 02:56:27 | Niddix | Is tuxphone included in buildroot-tux? |
| 02:56:59 | SpaceCoaster | Niddix: I don't think it is |
| 02:58:16 | Niddix | Hrmm. |
| 03:02:37 | Niddix | Ah well, I'm more interested in X10 stuff anyway. |
| 03:04:37 | boodle | laptop now.. ia-1 locked up :( |
| 03:10:08 | SpaceCoaster | night all |
| 03:21:23 | GoRK | hrm |
| 03:21:27 | GoRK | hello |
| 03:21:34 | GoRK | i just missed spacecoaster i think |
| 03:59:52 | dirkx | Anyone worked with http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html -> the Linksys WPC11 (pre 2.5 rev) is a nice 3.3 volt card. |
| 04:02:54 | dirkx | Hmm - linux-wlan seems to accept cross compiling just fine - ending up with a nice prism2_cs.o kernel module. |
| 04:06:04 | sMackAtack | hey, what about orinoco? |
| 04:06:08 | dirkx | Ah- one needs to compile dynamic loading into the kernel of course :-) that's why it aint see this. |
| 04:06:44 | dirkx | sMackAtack - works for me - but requires 5v. I am now trying to make a LinkSys card specced at 3.3v to work in the non 5v slot. |
| 04:07:05 | sMackAtack | grins |
| 04:07:09 | dirkx | (LinkSys uses the Prism chipset. |
| 04:07:32 | sMackAtack | dirkx: you mean the orinoco wi-lan cards work in the tux (with 5v mod?) |
| 04:08:09 | dirkx | An older Lucent WaveLAN card does - encryption does *not* work though |
| 04:08:42 | dirkx | Same for the Farallon cards and the Bay Networks FE cards (but they are more or less the same anyway). |
| 04:09:16 | sMackAtack | dirkx: screw the encryption.. just slows thruput down |
| 04:09:49 | sMackAtack | dirkx: now i gota figure out a way to squeeze a few more hours in the day... wireless tux would rule |
| 04:12:34 | dirkx | The encryption failing might be a symthom of a wider problem - I suspect that there issomething off with the timing - as base station change messages are not taken timely out of the queue as well. |
| 04:14:53 | jacques | is back from Fry's. |
| 04:18:15 | jacques | has anyone tried to make a tuxscreen keyboard work with an ipaq? |
| 04:18:28 | jacques | hmm, IR cariers might be incompatible |
| 04:18:31 | jacques | carriers |
| 04:20:12 | sMackAtack | jacques: yeah know i was thinking about infrared in general.. like picking up a remote for a car stereo and use it to control the tux? possibly? |
| 04:21:49 | jacques | sMackAtack: I had always heard that irda and consumer IR are mostly incompatible because of the different carrier frequencies |
| 04:21:51 | sMackAtack | or like everything else not every IR systems will talk to each other? |
| 04:22:01 | sMackAtack | kinda figured |
| 04:22:11 | jacques | sMackAtack: but I don't know if the tux is more like consumer or more like irda |
| 04:22:35 | jacques | sMackAtack: I think ppl have figured out that it's not irda standard - in that it cannot talk irda, but I'm not positive. |
| 04:22:36 | sMackAtack | yeah |
| 04:22:46 | sMackAtack | ahh ok |
| 04:23:52 | sMackAtack | i have SOOO many potential uses for this wonderfull toy.. just have to continue to raise $99 for each project :) |
| 04:24:49 | sMackAtack | i think its time to go chill out on da coutch and watch "Blow" |
| 04:24:59 | jacques | sMackAtack: have fun |
| 04:25:14 | jacques | sMackAtack: BTW I found some pages about the IR kbd on the wiki |
| 04:25:40 | sMacAtack[TV] | jacques: ahh very good... when i get to a machine that has a GUI i will check it out |
| 04:27:02 | dirkx | In tuxscreen - any reason why there is ./linux/drivers/net/wireless/orinoco_cs.c AND ./pcmcia-cs-3.1.29/wireless/orinoco_cs.c |
| 04:27:02 | dirkx | ? |
| 04:31:06 | jacques | dirkx: are they differnt? |
| 04:31:22 | dirkx | A little |
| 04:33:29 | jacques | dirkx: sounds like a kernel version and a pcmci-cs version |
| 04:33:58 | jacques | dirkx: maybe only one is mentioned in modules.dep ? |
| 04:34:22 | collord | dirkx: for Real Big Diffs check out the two versions of i82365.c (sp?) |
| 04:35:11 | collord | doesn't buildroot-tux only use pcmcia-cs for the userspace tools? |
| 04:35:37 | dirkx | collord: yes - that is I think what is happening. |
| 04:39:25 | dirkx | Hmm - this *is* confusing - then there is 80% overlap between orinico_cs, wvlan_cs and wavelan_cs. What could be the idea behind that. |
| 04:40:06 | jacques | 1. Carrier frequency: 38.4 KHz |
| 04:40:06 | jacques | - so it is consumer IR |
| 04:40:31 | jacques | too bad tux can't send... |
| 04:41:32 | scanline | envisions using the TV remote control to dial the speakerphone |
| 04:41:51 | jacques | scanline: should be possible |
| 04:42:27 | scanline | Extend the linux keyboard driver to recognize codes from a universal remote :) |
| 04:42:36 | jacques | scanline: lirc would work too |
| 04:44:58 | collord | dirkx: what, you didn't know that linux is, uh, "quirky" like that? redundant implementations, each half broken in its own way, no real reason why they aren't merged. |
| 04:49:43 | GoRK | scanline: hello |
| 04:50:23 | scanline | hiya |
| 04:51:06 | dirkx | collord: not worked on the linux kernel for a little over 9 years now :-) been working on BSD most of the time. |
| 04:51:08 | scanline | I had some more thoughts about how to code pgtuxphone (I'm convinced i need to rewrite it) but right now i probably need to work on this textbox code |
| 04:54:23 | dirkx | Dependency wise- after a small edit: does a 'cd linux; make bzImage && cd .. && make && download.pl kernel tuxscreen-kernel' give me a reasoable changce that all is updated correctly - does it do too much; too little ? does it need a make clean always ? |
| 04:54:39 | collord | dirkx: so you expect sanity... i see now ;) |
| 04:57:43 | GoRK | cool |
| 05:00:49 | dirkx | Nice "Kernel panic: bad buffer aligment (0x...)" - any kind soul have a pointer how I do the usual gdb-over-serial trickery with embeded linux ? |
| 05:03:26 | GoRK | errrrrrrrrrr you using gdb to debug the kernel or to debug apps? for apps you shold probably see about compiling up gdbserver and running over the network |
| 05:04:10 | dirkx | Gork: - no just want to attach it to the kernel - i.e. kernel debugger over serial line ? |
| 05:05:14 | GoRK | hrm i dunno |
| 05:05:17 | dirkx | I.e. the linux equiv of NetBSD's http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x4485.html |
| 05:06:32 | dirkx | As I am seeing a "Kernel panic: insw: bad buffer alignment (0xd00ce945, lr=0xC0125EA4)" whilst hacking the WEP on a linksys DCW11 card and trying to get it to work. |
| 05:07:36 | collord | is there even kdb in these kernels? |
| 05:09:24 | collord | dirkx: this? http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2001-August/004497.html |
| 05:13:34 | dirkx | Hmm -perhaps -looking for that file now. My wavelan card worked - this is the linksys card with Prism2 I am working on. Not sure. |
| 05:14:12 | jacques | try wlan-ng |
| 05:14:16 | jacques | it works great |
| 05:14:46 | jacques | recent wlan-ng (with ad-hoc) + wireless-extensions patch is cool |
| 05:18:41 | dirkx | jacques - I looked at that -compiled it - but it seems to be dynamic insertion only - not static linkable. |
| 05:21:25 | jacques | dirkx: oh crap. i didn't know the kernel for the tux does not support modules |
| 05:21:31 | dirkx | Ah - if you compile somethng SysRq in you get a bit more info. But no real debugger it seems :-(. |
| 05:22:24 | jacques | dirkx: kernel debugging under linux is a can of worms. |
| 05:22:36 | GoRK | it does support modules |
| 05:22:40 | jacques | dirkx: just mention it on l-k and watch the fireworks |
| 05:23:05 | GoRK | most of the drivers are compiled in staticlly because we have 1mb flash reserved for kernel and 3mb for root+modules |
| 05:23:28 | GoRK | so it doesnt really make sense to waste precious fs space for modules when we dont have to |
| 05:24:06 | jacques | dirkx: so why do you care that wlan-ng can't be statically linked into the kernel? |
| 05:24:21 | jacques | GoRK: so when can we store the kernel in the serial flash? :-) |
| 05:26:02 | dirkx | GoRK: so what is the procedure to move a dymanic module into static linking space - just edit this Config.in file and the Makefile in drivers/net/wireless ? |
| 05:29:03 | GoRK | storing the kernel in serial flash imo is not a good idea because the blob changes will undoubtadely never be accepted upstream. |
| 05:29:33 | GoRK | ill bbiab.. have to reboot this machine im ssh'd from |
| 05:33:19 | jacques | someone sold an xbox box on ebat for $366 |
| 05:33:22 | jacques | ebay |
| 05:37:26 | dirkx | Ha! getting better |
| 05:37:35 | dirkx | eth0: Firmware ID 1F vendor 0x0 (Linksys/WPC11) version 0.08 |
| 05:37:35 | dirkx | eth0: Ad-hoc demo mode supported. |
| 05:37:36 | dirkx | eth0: MAC address 00:04:5A:CC:4E:A3 |
| 05:37:37 | dirkx | eth0: Station name "Prism I" |
| 05:37:37 | dirkx | eth0: ready |
| 05:37:38 | dirkx | eth0: index 0x01: Vcc 3.3, irq 48, io 0xf7000000-0xf700003f |
| 05:46:47 | dirkx | GorK: is there a max size limit to the kernel - i.e. should a 2.5 meg kernel work ? |
| 05:48:55 | jacques | urk! |
| 06:53:41 | dirkx | prism2_cs [0x7810] |
| 07:30:23 | dirkx | Foem - why does a make menuconfig clean dep bzImage not get rid of disabled drivers :-( |
| 07:31:01 | dirkx | That *should* remove the dirvers from linux/.config right ? |
| 07:33:16 | dirkx | Ah - sorry - it's a bug in menuconfig - if you disable the group above it (wireless pcmcia) then any settings under it are ignored - even if you disabled them ! |
| 07:49:14 | dirkx | Really simple question - how do I make sure that KERN_INFO is show - is there a boot time flag ? |
| 07:54:02 | Russ|A209 | hey ray |
| 07:54:16 | Russ|A209 | morning sammy_wm |
| 07:57:06 | dirkx | Still struggling with KERN_INFO -> what is the right way of making it show ? boot debug=<##> ?? |
| 07:57:31 | Russ|A209 | sysrq-9 |
| 07:58:06 | dirkx | lilo - did oyu just ping me ? |
| 07:59:17 | Russ|A209 | check Documentation/kernel-paramaters.txt too though |
| 08:01:12 | Russ|A209 | what are you trying to get done? |
| 08:01:45 | dirkx | Just trying to convince the kernel to change the log level at boot time from its default to KERN_DEBUG. |
| 08:47:43 | dirkx | In /etc/pcmcia/config is a 'source ./config.opts' -> which seems to never do anything - i.e. could it be that those entries are simply never added due to a PWD problem ? |
| 08:49:01 | dirkx | Ah - so that is it: card "Linksys WPC11 11Mbps 802.11b WLAN Card" |
| 08:49:01 | dirkx | version "Instant Wireless ", " Network PC CARD", "Version 01.02" |
| 08:49:01 | dirkx | bind "prism2_cs" |
| 08:49:01 | dirkx | |
| 08:49:01 | dirkx | module "prism2_cs" opts "prism2_debug=5 prism2_ignorevcc=1" |
| 08:49:11 | dirkx | Works fine when you add it to config - the source simply never works. |
| 09:09:27 | jacquesZzZz | heh |
| 09:09:49 | jacquesZzZz | funny things happen if one uses the IR keyboard with several tuxen in the room. |
| 09:09:57 | dirkx | :-) |
| 09:10:19 | dirkx | All right.... wireless on the 3.3v linksys card works now too. With WEP :-) very happy. |
| 09:10:34 | dirkx | Lets reboot and try again...\ |
| 09:13:41 | dirkx | Any one famillair with udhcpc ? it seems to send out malformed packets ? |
| 09:39:07 | raybass | dirkx: russ wrote it, ask him.. |
| 10:55:38 | Tangent | looks around here |
| 10:59:34 | ctr | hey Tangent |
| 10:59:49 | Tangent | ctr : Morning |
| 11:36:25 | | Russ|A209 was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 35 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: what are you trying to get done? [Sat Nov 17 08:01:12 2001] |
| 11:36:25 | sammy_wms | ibot: seen Russ|A209 ? |
| 13:01:45 | jacquesZzZz | hi |
| 13:02:33 | SpaceCoaster | jacquesZzZz: hi back |
| 13:02:47 | Tangent | Hi to both of you :) |
| 13:03:23 | SpaceCoaster | gonna be in and out of here today, playing with filesystems |
| 13:03:53 | Tangent | gonna be out of here all day long wehn my mate arrives with his vidoes and DVDs :) |
| 13:29:39 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: you here? |
| 13:31:36 | Tangent | jacques_gone : Yep |
| 13:32:02 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: cool. so how did you connect the 12v to unprotect your flash? |
| 13:32:23 | Tangent | jacques_gone : I just tagged on two wires with a soldering iron |
| 13:32:41 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 13:33:16 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: so the unprotect is done while talking to the phone over the serial cable? |
| 13:33:40 | Tangent | jacques_gone : The 12V is a signal that the inferno OS reads... |
| 13:34:00 | Tangent | jacques_gone : Inferno won't let you unlock the flash otherwise... It's a software thing.. not a hardware thing |
| 13:34:29 | Tangent | jacques_gone : You hook up the 12V (through a resistor if you want.. we're not powering anything) and then boot up the OS, and tell it unprotect the flash |
| 13:36:04 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: but the steps are 1) hook up 12V 2) power up phone and connect via serial port using infernoremote 3) enter the unprotect command from the PC ? |
| 13:38:46 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: or did you enter the unprotect command from the tuxscreen keyboard? |
| 13:43:04 | EGg0 | Man, That was a ride. |
| 13:43:19 | EGg0 | So Tangent, you back from the split? |
| 13:45:01 | Tangent | jacques_gone : Yep.. from the tux keyboard |
| 13:45:26 | Tangent | EGg0 : Yeah.. made it through the split... just eating breakfast so AFK |
| 13:46:02 | EGg0 | I was listening in on your conv. with Jacques. |
| 13:46:06 | Tangent | jacques_gone : Or maybe it was through the pc... can't really remember |
| 13:46:16 | EGg0 | Trying to gleen the same info. |
| 13:46:48 | Tangent | EGg0 : Did you find this? http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Users/InstallingLinux |
| 13:47:03 | EGg0 | THat's what I'm using now. |
| 13:47:06 | Tangent | EGg0 : I wrote the instructions when I did it the first time |
| 13:47:24 | EGg0 | However, it seems that that is just installing the bootldr. |
| 13:48:07 | Tangent | EGg0 : Yep.. I did write the rest too, but lost all the edits when my net connection died... Arrgh... BZFlag added the bits at the end for actually installing linux |
| 13:48:55 | EGg0 | I wanted to know if Minicom was going to be my method of communication, if so, I'll get a new null modem cable, instead of two clips uglyily hacked onto the pins. |
| 13:49:12 | EGg0 | (Didn't know if IR was an option) |
| 13:49:31 | Tangent | EGg0 : IR is not an option.. It's receive only |
| 13:49:51 | EGg0 | I see BZFlag's stuff now, I missed it before. |
| 13:50:13 | EGg0 | Well, off to the RatShack... I don't think I have the parts on hand. |
| 13:52:07 | Tangent | jacquesZzZz : Do you have inferno development environment up and running? |
| 13:55:45 | EGg0 | is away: (parts shopping...) |
| 14:00:13 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: not yet |
| 14:00:52 | Tangent | jacquesZzZz : Get that up and running before worrying about 12V signal.... I assume you're using the InstallingLinux doc on the Wiki |
| 14:01:31 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: yes, but it's not entirely clear whether the flash unprotect command is done over infernoremote or using the console sboot |
| 14:01:49 | Tangent | jacquesZzZz : It's done from infernoremote |
| 14:02:05 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: OK |
| 14:02:15 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: BTW, what did you use for your 12V source? |
| 14:02:52 | Tangent | jacques_gone : Old PC power supply.. I just shoved the wires in the HDD connector when needed (leave GND connected all the time) |
| 14:03:14 | Tangent | jacques_gone : had to plug on a HDD to get the supply to start up tho' |
| 14:03:49 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: cool, I have a 25W supply - it's perfectly happy to supply 12V under no load |
| 14:04:07 | Tangent | jacquesZzZz : That'll be fine |
| 14:04:47 | jacquesZzZz | heh, I started the touchscreen test in sboot and I don't think there's a way out of it |
| 14:05:08 | Tangent | jacquesZzZz : Click the top left corner |
| 14:05:56 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: thanks :-) |
| 14:19:55 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: do I replace the emu binary before or after the interno installation? |
| 14:32:50 | jacquesZzZz | hmmm, i net i dont really need the inferno chinese fonts to flash my tuxscreen |
| 14:33:33 | jacquesZzZz | is this normal? |
| 14:33:35 | jacquesZzZz | done |
| 14:33:35 | jacquesZzZz | installation complete |
| 14:33:36 | jacquesZzZz | /tmp/inferno/install/Linux-386.sh: line 27: 20524 Killed $CDPATH/$EMUPATH/emu -c1 -G -r$CDPATH /dis/install/install.dis -r $1 -p Linux |
| 14:38:17 | boodle | jacquesZzZz: just try to run it to see |
| 14:40:00 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:40:17 | Tangent | jacquesZzZz : I did my infernoremote stuff on windows, so I can't comment |
| 14:46:35 | boodle | YES!! finally figured out lilo.conf and got debian on ia-1 (udrive) |
| 14:46:54 | boodle | does a little jig then calms down |
| 14:47:24 | Tangent | boodle : Oh well done :) |
| 14:47:41 | prpplague | boodle: did you have to take your IA-1 apart to do the cmos reset? |
| 14:48:01 | boodle | Tangent: thank you |
| 14:48:40 | boodle | prpplague: not at all.. ia-1 is amd k6 266 (iirc).. so fairly easy to do.. I gleaned the lilo info from jailbait image around (for i-opener) |
| 14:49:19 | boodle | prpplague: though now I'd like to crack it open and see if I can upgrade cpu and replace mem with larger module (32MB) |
| 14:50:11 | Tangent | boodle : I thought they already had 32MB memory |
| 14:50:19 | prpplague | boodle: how did you get into the bios setup without using the reset jumper? |
| 14:50:22 | boodle | Tangent: yes that's what I meant.. |
| 14:50:48 | boodle | prpplague: I was lucky.. didn't need to on mine.. I just held down 'compaq' key on kb before I plugged it in and it came up |
| 14:51:29 | prpplague | boodle: hmm, i'll have to check that out |
| 14:51:32 | boodle | prpplague: looked at the msn junk for 2min and shut it off (never tried to get msn garbage working so dunno if that made any differnce) |
| 14:52:02 | boodle | unfortunately, as of yesterday it seems they are no longer available from tigerdirect (was ready to order another of course :( ) |
| 14:52:12 | prpplague | boodle: my boss has got a 400+ unit location sold on the idea of using these things at POS |
| 14:52:28 | wej | Tuxscreens, or audrays? |
| 14:52:39 | prpplague | wej: compaq IA-1 |
| 14:52:44 | wej | ah |
| 14:52:50 | wej | what's up prplppletr? |
| 14:53:13 | boodle | prpplague: certainly viable. actually the jailbait distro is pretty amazing.. 16MB (threw on a 16mb cflash) and has netscape, irc etc. (was on here last night via ia-1) |
| 14:53:27 | boodle | prefers debian :-) |
| 14:53:36 | prpplague | wej: lol, not much, seting up our POS linux dist on the nixdorf beetle unit today |
| 14:54:10 | prpplague | boodle: we already has a custom POS dist that fits on 16mb |
| 14:54:25 | boodle | prpplague: cool |
| 14:55:01 | prpplague | boodle: basically the only thing i need to do is add the support for the usb nic |
| 14:56:07 | boodle | prpplague: jailbait has that (netgear usb ea101).. the kaweth(?) driver should've worked with my 3com inet adapter but an old build.. now I'm in territory I'm familiar with and can rebuild |
| 14:56:55 | wej | has anyone gotten 802.11 working in the tuxscreen yet? |
| 14:56:59 | | rumour has it X is used because it exists, many toolkits exist for it and people know it |
| 14:56:59 | wej | or X? |
| 14:57:23 | wej | test X? |
| 14:57:25 | prpplague | boodle: there is another guy that comes in here that is using jailbait with the usb nic, patjiel or something like that |
| 14:57:42 | boodle | prpplague: I was on here last night doing the same. |
| 15:07:53 | EGg0 | is back (gone 01:12:05) |
| 15:08:30 | EGg0 | Hrm... Inferno is in some kind of loop when connecting to my tuxscreen. |
| 15:08:37 | prpplague | EGg0: get that inferno remote running? |
| 15:09:03 | EGg0 | DECa119, shanmon v1.13-a (103 MHz) |
| 15:09:03 | EGg0 | DRAM: 0x1000000 (16MB), Little endian |
| 15:09:03 | EGg0 | Flags: 0x7 0x1 |
| 15:09:03 | EGg0 | GPLR: 0xfde03a0, GPDR: 0x4403fc, GAFR: 0x0, GEDR: 0x4003 |
| 15:09:03 | EGg0 | ICIP: 0x0, ICMR: 0x0, ICLR: 0x0, ICFP: 0x0, ICPR: 0xe4008803 |
| 15:09:03 | EGg0 | R11= 0x0, R12= 0x1b3ac |
| 15:09:05 | EGg0 | R13_svc= 0x400, PC/R14_svc= 0xe59ffa38, CPSR/SPSR_svc= 0x60000010 |
| 15:09:07 | EGg0 | R13_irq= 0x500, R14_irq= 0x80683d18, SPSR_irq= 0x80000010 |
| 15:09:09 | EGg0 | R13_abt= 0x800, R14_abt= 0xe4789402, SPSR_abt= 0x60000010 |
| 15:09:11 | EGg0 | R13_und= 0x700, R14_und= 0x80683d18, SPSR_und= 0x60000010 |
| 15:09:13 | EGg0 | MMU enabled, ICache/DCache/WriteBuffer disabled. Inferno Enabled. |
| 15:09:15 | EGg0 | sboot jumpstart vector: 0x40 |
| 15:09:17 | EGg0 | <0?><terminal mode> |
| 15:09:21 | EGg0 | Again and again and again. |
| 15:10:00 | EGg0 | Anyone seen this? |
| 15:10:26 | prpplague | EGg0: i had the same, problem, but that was 3 weeks ago, and i didn't write anything down, sorry dude |
| 15:10:49 | EGg0 | You're KILLING me here! |
| 15:10:54 | EGg0 | :-) |
| 15:11:14 | prpplague | EGg0: with a spoon? |
| 15:11:17 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: all flow control off? |
| 15:11:30 | EGg0 | I'm not in minicom. |
| 15:12:07 | EGg0 | THat's just from the bind. |
| 15:12:16 | jacquesZzZz | oh |
| 15:13:51 | sMacAtack | //quit |
| 15:14:00 | sMacAtack | heh oops |
| 15:14:58 | EGg0 | Man, this sucks... Okay, |
| 15:15:22 | EGg0 | This is the bind command, correct? 'bind -a '#'t /dev ; rdp -s9600 -r' |
| 15:16:09 | wej | looks right. |
| 15:16:13 | wej | isn't that in the wiki? |
| 15:16:39 | EGg0 | wej: Yes, just making sure.. |
| 15:17:09 | EGg0 | I enter that in inferno, then reset and <esc> <Ctrl-a>. |
| 15:17:15 | EGg0 | I get a loop. |
| 15:17:41 | EGg0 | Keyboard and keypad on the tuxscreen *seems* unresponsive to commands. |
| 15:18:09 | wej | sure yer baudrate's 9600? |
| 15:18:32 | wej | on the great spacecoaster... get onboard.... with the great spacecoaster... |
| 15:18:39 | EGg0 | well, I tried it at that and high at 115200, neither work. |
| 15:18:47 | wej | whaddup, SC? you takin ass and kickin names? |
| 15:21:22 | SpaceCoaster | hi wej |
| 15:22:30 | wej | man. |
| 15:22:34 | wej | anyone here know anything about samba? |
| 15:23:00 | Tangent | wej : A little |
| 15:24:00 | prpplague | wej: here's a great starter doc - http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/samba.htm |
| 15:24:27 | wej | I had this exact same directory/config/etc on my box... |
| 15:24:54 | wej | i upgraded it from a sparc10 to a sparc20.. went from Sol 2.5.1 to 2.7, and now it doesn't work.. i used to could mount my mp3 directory without a stupid samba passwd |
| 15:25:04 | wej | noww.. i truss it, it reads the passwd file, but nothing i enter seems valid. |
| 15:25:09 | wej | before, it didn't even PROMPT for a password. |
| 15:25:13 | wej | fumes. |
| 15:26:27 | prpplague | wej: seems like i remeber something about a change from clear to encrypted passwords under samba |
| 15:27:39 | EGg0 | WTF? |
| 15:27:46 | EGg0 | ; bind -a '#'t /dev |
| 15:27:46 | EGg0 | Usage: bind [-rabc] source target |
| 15:30:24 | jacquesZzZz | why do I have no devices in the inferno /dev dir? |
| 15:30:51 | EGg0 | What is this bind command actually doing. I can't get anywhere until I troubleshoot this. |
| 15:31:28 | jacquesZzZz | [inferno@meccano inferno]$ /home/inferno/Linux/386/bin/emu -r/home/inferno |
| 15:31:29 | jacquesZzZz | Inferno Third Edition (19 Apr 2001) main (pid=20704) interp |
| 15:31:29 | jacquesZzZz | Initialize Dis: /dis/emuinit.dis |
| 15:31:29 | jacquesZzZz | ; ; bind -a '#'t /dev ; rdp -s9600 -r |
| 15:31:29 | jacquesZzZz | bind: no free devices |
| 15:31:30 | jacquesZzZz | rdp 0.17 (port=/dev/eia0, bps=9600) |
| 15:31:31 | jacquesZzZz | open /dev/eia0 failed: file does not exist |
| 15:31:51 | EGg0 | jacquesZzZz: I had the same thing... |
| 15:31:55 | prpplague | EGg0: what do you have on the screen of the tux? |
| 15:32:07 | EGg0 | Exit inferno, reset the tuxscreen, and try again. |
| 15:32:13 | EGg0 | prpplague: Nothing, blank. |
| 15:32:28 | wej | brb. |
| 15:32:42 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: do you have any device files in your inferno_root/dev ? |
| 15:32:46 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: I don't |
| 15:32:55 | EGg0 | No. |
| 15:34:33 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: what if you do a ls /dev from inside the inferno emu? |
| 15:34:45 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: does it show a serial device? |
| 15:35:18 | EGg0 | Hrm... cons, consctl.. looks like no serial devices... |
| 15:35:46 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: no eia? |
| 15:36:24 | EGg0 | prpplague: When I enter the entire command on the commandline at once, it skips the bind line and goes right to rdp, which runs, but gives me a loop. |
| 15:36:38 | EGg0 | jacquesZzZz: No. |
| 15:37:02 | EGg0 | Maybe that's why bind is failing. |
| 15:37:09 | prpplague | ecgo: sounds like the tuxscreen is in a loop, i had a problem where it kept coming up asking for a software upgrade |
| 15:37:24 | prpplague | EGg0: there was a wiki entry about it |
| 15:37:32 | prpplague | EGg0: but i can't seem to find it |
| 15:37:46 | EGg0 | I'm past that. I had that problem and solved it with the wiki. |
| 15:38:14 | Tangent | prpplague : That's what happens when you select the other rom image.. inferno has two different images it can boot |
| 15:38:15 | EGg0 | It'll boot and run, but the bind command is not working from inferno. |
| 15:39:16 | jacquesZzZz | I keep getting: ; bind -a '#'t /dev |
| 15:39:16 | jacquesZzZz | bind: no free devices |
| 15:40:05 | prpplague | EGg0: darnit, i wish i had writen down that problem |
| 15:40:13 | EGg0 | Ah, Bind runs if I'm root. I guess I didn't actually put the inferno user in the uucp group. Check your permissions jacquesZzZz |
| 15:40:30 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: I specifically set o+rw on the /dev/ttyS1 |
| 15:41:42 | EGg0 | Hrm... Mine are actually set to the same thing, and it fails with user inferno but not user root. |
| 15:42:47 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: whoah! |
| 15:42:55 | EGg0 | usermod -g uucp -G inf inferno fixed it here. |
| 15:43:18 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: I added user inferno to the uucp group and then exited and su - to inferno |
| 15:43:31 | jacquesZzZz | ok, now, 9600 or 115200 ? |
| 15:43:50 | EGg0 | I went 9600, but it's still looping. |
| 15:45:12 | jacquesZzZz | i think im in |
| 15:45:18 | EGg0 | baud? |
| 15:45:27 | jacquesZzZz | 9600 |
| 15:45:42 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: which serial port is your `screen on? |
| 15:45:56 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: mine's on /dev/ttyS1 so I had to add -p/dev/eia1 |
| 15:46:06 | wej | what was that troubleshoot url again? |
| 15:46:12 | wej | i sneezed so i had to reboot. |
| 15:46:33 | EGg0 | Mine is ttyS0 |
| 15:46:56 | jacquesZzZz | EGg0: I guess it's actually talking to the phone or you wouldn't have the looping |
| 15:47:42 | wej | is the 'looping' actual text, or is it garbage? |
| 15:47:53 | EGg0 | <sending reset> |
| 15:47:53 | EGg0 | DECa119, shanmon v1.13-a (103 MHz) |
| 15:47:53 | EGg0 | DRAM: 0x1000000 (16MB), Little endian |
| 15:47:54 | EGg0 | Flags: 0x7 0x1 |
| 15:47:54 | EGg0 | GPLR: 0xfde03a0, GPDR: 0x4403fc, GAFR: 0x0, GEDR: 0x4003 |
| 15:47:54 | EGg0 | ICIP: 0x0, ICMR: 0x0, ICLR: 0x0, ICFP: 0x0, ICPR: 0xe4008803 |
| 15:47:56 | EGg0 | R11= 0x0, R12= 0x1b3ac |
| 15:47:58 | wej | ah. |
| 15:47:58 | EGg0 | R13_svc= 0x400, PC/R14_svc= 0xe59ffa38, CPSR/SPSR_svc= 0x60000010 |
| 15:48:00 | EGg0 | R13_irq= 0x500, R14_irq= 0x80483f18, SPSR_irq= 0x80000010 |
| 15:48:02 | EGg0 | R13_abt= 0x800, R14_abt= 0x64789402, SPSR_abt= 0x60000010 |
| 15:48:04 | EGg0 | R13_und= 0x700, R14_und= 0x2894e6f5, SPSR_und= 0x60000010 |
| 15:48:05 | wej | smells like a tuxscreen to me. |
| 15:48:06 | EGg0 | MMU enabled, ICache/DCache/WriteBuffer disabled. Inferno Enabled. |
| 15:48:08 | EGg0 | sboot jumpstart vector: 0x40 |
| 15:48:10 | EGg0 | <0?><terminal mode> |
| 15:48:12 | EGg0 | Yup. |
| 15:48:33 | EGg0 | although, I thought is was a shannon... not a "shanmon" |
| 15:48:36 | jacquesZzZz | heh, i forgot how slow 9600 was |
| 15:48:47 | wej | it's the shannon monitor |
| 15:48:51 | wej | let me ask you this... |
| 15:48:57 | wej | did you perchance ... eat cheese toast for breakfast? |
| 15:49:00 | Tangent | jacquesZzZz : Probably time for some coffee then |
| 15:49:01 | wej | i've seen this behavior before... |
| 15:49:11 | EGg0 | wej: Yes. Damn. |
| 15:49:18 | wej | aha. |
| 15:49:27 | EGg0 | Look at the second line of that loop. Shannon is spelled wrong. |
| 15:49:27 | wej | 9600 is perfectly cool after about 6 bongrips. |
| 15:49:35 | wej | it's the shannon monitor |
| 15:49:36 | jacquesZzZz | Tangent: :-) it is almost 9am here |
| 15:49:44 | wej | shan-mon |
| 15:49:52 | EGg0 | Oh. I get it now. |
| 15:49:56 | wej | like cisco's rommon.. or the mips pmon.... |
| 15:50:11 | Tangent | jacquesZzZz : Hrm.. and I see from your nick that you've been asleep for hours, so it's probably time to wake up and have some coffee :) |
| 15:50:17 | wej | or the jamaican's 'hey-mon' |
| 15:50:23 | EGg0 | :-) |
| 15:50:45 | EGg0 | So, no one has any ideas for this loop? |
| 15:50:53 | wej | did you try to send a break or whatever? |
| 15:51:06 | jacques | EGg0: are you using the replacement linux emu? |
| 15:51:18 | EGg0 | Ctrl-C breaks out of inferno. |
| 15:51:23 | EGg0 | jacques yes |
| 15:51:34 | wej | did you checksum your download? :) |
| 15:51:39 | EGg0 | Yes. |
| 15:51:41 | wej | a lot of people got truncated linuxemus. |
| 15:51:53 | EGg0 | Checksum was fine. |
| 15:52:15 | wej | can someone scroll up and get that troubleshoot url for me? |
| 15:52:17 | wej | for samba? |
| 15:52:31 | jacques | wej: do you remember who said it? |
| 15:52:32 | EGg0 | The first time I tried it, I had a truncated emu. |
| 15:52:39 | wej | i dunna remember who said it. |
| 15:52:39 | jacques | http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/samba.htm |
| 15:52:44 | wej | jacques: thanks mang |
| 15:52:49 | jacques | :-D |
| 15:53:52 | EGg0 | Hrm... It's not the upgraded inferno. 'Ctrl -' gives nothing. |
| 15:56:54 | EGg0 | It's right after "sboot jumpstart vector: 0x40" |
| 15:57:37 | EGg0 | IN the wiki, it's supposed to return <bps=9600>, but returns <0?><terminal mode> |
| 15:58:59 | EGg0 | So maybe there's a mode problem. |
| 16:03:21 | jacques | EGg0: yeah, I get the: |
| 16:03:23 | jacques | sboot jumpstart vector: 0x40 |
| 16:03:23 | jacques | <bps=9600> |
| 16:03:54 | wej | ARGH |
| 16:05:50 | EGg0 | Is there a list of arguments for rdp? |
| 16:06:46 | EGg0 | Man, this sucks. |
| 16:06:54 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 10 hours, 38 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: nite [Sat Nov 17 05:28:37 2001] |
| 16:06:54 | EGg0 | ibot seen BZFlag |
| 16:10:17 | EGg0 | I'm telling you. Nothing I do changes this. |
| 16:12:10 | SteveD | hi guys - me with tux "phone" functions again |
| 16:12:35 | SteveD | does anyone know if the tux is polarity sensitive on the phone line? |
| 16:13:01 | SteveD | only that I got two more tuxes from BZFlag and none of them "work" on the phone side for my UK phone line |
| 16:13:24 | SteveD | or, rather, they work in pulse mode but the touchtone and speaker phone don't work |
| 16:13:31 | SteveD | (even on the phones still with Inferno) |
| 16:13:58 | prpplague | SteveD: normal u.s. telco lines are not polarized |
| 16:14:28 | SteveD | prplague: how do you mean? they are "documented" that either side might by the -48v? |
| 16:14:36 | EGg0 | jacques, Well, I guess I'm screwed. At least until BZFlag shows up, assuming it's correctable. Have fun without me. :-( |
| 16:15:55 | prpplague | SteveD: let me rephrase that, U.S. telco devices are designed so that the polarity of the incoming line doesn't matter |
| 16:16:24 | jacques | EGg0: I think I might get some sleep before tackling the tiny soldering - it's after 9am here |
| 16:17:08 | EGg0 | jacques I'm on East Coast, I just woke up, fresh and ready. |
| 16:17:18 | EGg0 | Damn shame, should've stayed in bed. |
| 16:17:30 | prpplague | SteveD: tangent might be able to help you more on the phone issues in the uk |
| 16:18:12 | SteveD | prpplague: frustrating thing is that his seems to work right. My telco will be different but my measured line voltage looks good |
| 16:19:16 | jacques | EGg0: :-( |
| 16:19:29 | prpplague | SteveD: did you kill a chicken and spread the blood around the telco box? |
| 16:20:08 | SteveD | reaches for rubber chicken |
| 16:20:17 | EGg0 | Changing the baud rate has no effect either. |
| 16:22:45 | prpplague | SteveD: how many other phones do you have on the line? |
| 16:23:05 | ctr | is away: sleepage |
| 16:23:33 | SteveD | prpplague: a good point - 2 phones, my sky digibox. I'll try disconnecting them |
| 16:23:49 | jacques | has anyone here backed up their tuxscreen infermo image? |
| 16:24:11 | jacques | I need to know if it requires that flash has been unlocked, and how long it's supposed to take |
| 16:24:19 | prpplague | jacques: i've heard several ppl complain about the in-ability to backup the inferno image |
| 16:24:43 | jacques | prpplague: ok, cool |
| 16:24:51 | jacques | prpplague: because it's just hanging :-) |
| 16:25:01 | jacques | >>> c F!all D!inferno.backup |
| 16:25:01 | jacques | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 16:25:16 | jacques | and nothing else - file is zero length and not growing |
| 16:25:17 | prpplague | jacques: i didn't care anything about the inferno image, so i just loaded blob |
| 16:25:30 | jacques | prpplague: me either, but I thought I would do it as a test |
| 16:27:56 | jacques | any way to kill a command in the inferno emu without exiting the emu? |
| 16:28:10 | prpplague | jacques: test - smest , just go for the blob load... |
| 16:28:43 | prpplague | jacques: don't know an about the kill function, i had to restart inferno each time i had to stop a process |
| 16:29:22 | EGg0 | jacques can you checksum your emu for me? |
| 16:30:34 | jacques | 6b841cc43a352850b250031dc19b1159 emu |
| 16:30:45 | jacques | prpplague: well I havent unprotected my flash yet |
| 16:30:47 | EGg0 | Dammit, that's right. |
| 16:31:49 | EGg0 | It's got to be something simple... |
| 16:32:41 | jacques | EGg0: yeah |
| 16:33:44 | EGg0 | jacques You used the exact commands from the wiki? With the exception of adding the -p switch, of course. |
| 16:33:44 | SteveD | prpplague: disconnecting other phones -> no change. |
| 16:34:03 | prpplague | SteveD: bummer |
| 16:34:08 | SteveD | thinks: power good line to my tux is not connected - could that be my problem |
| 16:34:28 | SteveD | is anyone able to measure what's on the tux PSU power good pin? |
| 16:35:05 | EGg0 | I know it's not my serial port, because I use it all the time for my ipaq.. |
| 16:35:11 | prpplague | SteveD: i heard a converstation between bzflag and tangent about the power good pins, bzflag seemed to think that it wouldn't be need to function properly |
| 16:35:42 | SteveD | prpplague: well - the system seems to work fine without, except for the mongoose |
| 16:37:28 | SteveD | I'll try to apply some volts to the PFI pin and see if that makes any difference - maybe it tells the mongoose to flip to "basic pulse mode" off the batteries or something |
| 16:37:34 | SteveD | in the meantime... |
| 16:37:48 | SteveD | is AWAY at 17:40:39 : for supper |
| 16:38:24 | jacques | EGg0: yes, I used: |
| 16:38:37 | jacques | bind -a '#'t /dev |
| 16:38:44 | jacques | rdp -s9600 -r |
| 16:39:02 | jacques | not counting the -p/dev/eia1 |
| 16:39:02 | EGg0 | I give up then. |
| 16:58:19 | jacques | EGg0: here's a question |
| 16:58:30 | jacques | EGg0: do you have fresh AA's in your phone? |
| 16:59:01 | jacques | EGg0: one of mine was refusing to connect and then I remembered it didn't have batteries |
| 16:59:11 | jacques | EGg0: when I put the batts in it worked |
| 16:59:49 | EGg0 | They're in. |
| 17:00:08 | EGg0 | I'm assuming it would not connect at all without batteries, not go into a strange loop. |
| 17:00:15 | EGg0 | I need BZFlag. |
| 17:00:35 | jacques | mine did strange stuff without batts, halfway connecting sometimes |
| 17:02:00 | jacques | ok, sleepytime |
| 17:02:04 | jacques | night all |
| 17:16:04 | SteveD | EGg0: others have "never" put batteries in their phone (Tangent, was it?( |
| 17:16:50 | EGg0 | SteveD: batteries, no batteries, still a loop in inferno that means I have a useless tuxscreen. |
| 17:16:57 | EGg0 | :- |
| 17:25:59 | SteveD | EGg0: are you using linux or windows on your host inferno? windows wouldn't work for me |
| 17:32:48 | Russ | morning |
| 17:33:58 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: hi, you tried to send me shannon.h but DCC doesn't work to me (NAT problems) email it to me. |
| 17:35:34 | Russ | email again |
| 17:36:13 | SpaceCoaster | I'm gonna start charging you for this soon :-), derek@technicaltoys.net |
| 17:36:20 | EGg0 | SteveD: I don't have any windows computers. |
| 17:38:11 | Russ | get it by #include <asm/arch/shannon.h> |
| 17:39:39 | EGg0 | I can't think of much more upsetting than having this TuxScreen here and not being able to play with it. :-( |
| 17:40:12 | ctr | eggo: why do you need windows? |
| 17:41:49 | EGg0 | I dont need windows.. SteveD was asking if I was trying to connect to my TuxScreen from a windows box because it's not working, and I can't figure out why not. |
| 17:43:45 | EGg0 | ctr: When I connect with Inferno, I get some sort of loop that tells me that I'm connecting to the TuxScreen, but I can't get a prompt or anything. |
| 17:44:03 | ctr | oh |
| 17:46:52 | EGg0 | ctr, Do you know about Inferno enough to troubleshoot? |
| 17:47:24 | ctr | no |
| 17:47:26 | ctr | sorry =( |
| 17:51:40 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: let me know if you want any changes |
| 17:52:04 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: will do, thanks |
| 18:05:48 | Russ | whats with the touchscreen cal module? |
| 18:07:27 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: it lets us test the UIs against the 2.4.13 kernel, it adds a translation layer onto the touchscreen, it can be configured via insmod variables so it is quite neat. |
| 18:08:56 | EGg0 | BZFlag: !!! |
| 18:09:05 | EGg0 | Have I got a question for you! |
| 18:09:45 | EGg0 | BZFlag: Have you seen this loop when trying to connect to the TuxScreen using Inferno?... |
| 18:09:59 | EGg0 | <sending reset> |
| 18:09:59 | EGg0 | DECa119, shanmon v1.13-a (103 MHz) |
| 18:10:00 | EGg0 | DRAM: 0x1000000 (16MB), Little endian |
| 18:10:00 | EGg0 | Flags: 0x7 0x1 |
| 18:10:00 | EGg0 | GPLR: 0xfde0000, GPDR: 0x4403fc, GAFR: 0x0, GEDR: 0x4003 |
| 18:10:01 | EGg0 | ICIP: 0x0, ICMR: 0x0, ICLR: 0x0, ICFP: 0x0, ICPR: 0x60008803 |
| 18:10:03 | EGg0 | R11= 0x0, R12= 0x1b3ac |
| 18:10:05 | EGg0 | R13_svc= 0x400, PC/R14_svc= 0xe59ffa38, CPSR/SPSR_svc= 0x60000010 |
| 18:10:07 | EGg0 | R13_irq= 0x500, R14_irq= 0x60000093, SPSR_irq= 0x80000010 |
| 18:10:09 | EGg0 | R13_abt= 0x800, R14_abt= 0x24789402, SPSR_abt= 0x60000010 |
| 18:10:11 | EGg0 | R13_und= 0x700, R14_und= 0x20000093, SPSR_und= 0x60000010 |
| 18:10:13 | EGg0 | MMU enabled, ICache/DCache/WriteBuffer disabled. Inferno Enabled. |
| 18:10:15 | EGg0 | sboot jumpstart vector: 0x40 |
| 18:10:17 | EGg0 | <0?><terminal mode> |
| 18:10:19 | EGg0 | <rdp mode> |
| 18:10:21 | EGg0 | <sending reset> |
| 18:10:23 | EGg0 | THat's it, it loops again and again. I can't do anything. |
| 18:11:33 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: so its a blantant hack that will eventually go away |
| 18:13:39 | BZFlag | nope. if sboot/inferno is on the phone it connects ok for me. |
| 18:13:44 | SpaceCoaster | it shouldn't be neccesary when the UIs can handle the touchscreen properly. |
| 18:15:08 | EGg0 | BZFlag: This is killing me. What could this be? I connect exactly as specified in the wiki. |
| 18:15:48 | EGg0 | It looks as if I get <0?><terminal mode> right when I'm supposed to get <rate=9600> or something similiar. |
| 18:16:02 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: shannon.h looks great, removes triplicated code in wheaties.c, wheaties.h and spi.h |
| 18:16:15 | EGg0 | I've checked my serial port, baud rate, everything. It's a complete mystery. |
| 18:17:29 | EGg0 | BZFlag: Is there a list of rdp options somewhere? Perhaps I can change something in the command line to make it work. |
| 18:18:10 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: I put spi.c in driver/char with wheaties.c |
| 18:18:30 | Russ | wheaties.c and spi.c dep_tristate CONFIG_SHANNON_SPI |
| 18:19:20 | SpaceCoaster | Err, probably, I don't speak config fluently |
| 18:19:44 | Russ | both wheaties.c and serial_flash.c depend on spi.c |
| 18:19:56 | Russ | do you still need any of spi.h? |
| 18:20:39 | SpaceCoaster | at the moment only serial_flash depends on spi.c, but very soon they both will depend on spi.c |
| 18:20:54 | Russ | oh, I thought wheaties.c used spi.c |
| 18:21:00 | SpaceCoaster | I don't need spi.h, please throw it away. |
| 18:21:50 | Russ | let me make you a diff really quick that uses all the shannon.h stuff |
| 18:22:44 | SpaceCoaster | It did but GoRK reverted to a previous release to solve a problem. I will be moving it back to use spi.c soon. |
| 18:23:18 | Russ | ah |
| 18:23:20 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: the reversion is why the duplicates of defines, functions happened. |
| 18:26:08 | Russ | ok, http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.13-ac8-rmk1-tux2.gz |
| 18:27:09 | Russ | oops |
| 18:27:16 | Russ | drivers/char/Makefile |
| 18:27:23 | Russ | -obj-$(CONFIG_SHANNON_SPI) += -spi.o |
| 18:27:29 | Russ | +obj-$(CONFIG_SHANNON_SPI) += spi.o |
| 18:34:44 | EGg0 | Hrm.. So there's no other way, besides a JTAG to connect with this TuxScreen. It's essentially useless to me if I can't get Inferno to connect properly. |
| 18:39:39 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: I don't have the ac8-rmk1 patch and www.arm.linux.org.uk is not serving patches for a while. |
| 18:40:16 | Russ | lemme mirror em |
| 18:40:36 | raybass|zzzzzzzz | slaps russ around with a large trout |
| 18:41:06 | Russ | ok |
| 18:41:10 | Russ | they are there |
| 18:41:21 | Russ | ray, stop with the trout.... |
| 18:41:36 | SpaceCoaster | thanks, got it |
| 18:42:13 | EGg0 | is away: placing my TuxScreen under the tire of my car. |
| 18:42:32 | Russ | EGg0: jtag is easy |
| 18:43:01 | Russ | should be able to solve you inferno problems at some point thoigh |
| 18:43:17 | EGg0 | I just don't have any equipment. I'm going to throw pottery and get away from my computer for a bit. |
| 18:43:33 | Russ | you jush need a chip, a header, and a din25 |
| 18:43:43 | Russ | then some wire, solder it alltogether, and done |
| 18:44:03 | Russ | TI sent me a free sample of the chip I needed |
| 18:44:56 | SpaceCoaster | CONFIG_SA1100FB_BACKLIGHT=y ? |
| 18:45:13 | EGg0 | Russ Doesn't seem like I should have to build a JTAG, it's probably a commandline switch. I just don't know it. Anyway... |
| 18:45:20 | | EGg0: Charleston, Charleston Air Force Base, SC, United States; (KCHS) 32-53-56N 080-02-26W 13M; last updated: Nov 17, 2001 01:56 PM EST; Dew Point: 52.0 F (11.1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.22 in. Hg (1023 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.04 inches (1.4 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 39%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 79.0 F (26.1 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: from the NE (050 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT) |
| 18:45:20 | EGg0 | ibot weather kchs |
| 18:45:35 | EGg0 | Too nice out to worry about it now... |
| 18:46:43 | | SpaceCoaster: Laconia Municipal Automatic Weather Observing / Reporting System, NH, United States; (KLCI) 43-34N 071-25W; last updated: Nov 17, 2001 02:35 PM EST; Dew Point: 12 F (-11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.42 in. Hg (1030 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.04 inches (1.4 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 32%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 39 F (4 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: from the SSW (210 degrees) at 8 MPH (7 KT) |
| 18:46:43 | SpaceCoaster | ibot weather klci |
| 18:47:08 | SpaceCoaster | nice here too, tho' 40F cooler than SC |
| 18:47:15 | | Russ: Phoenix, Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport, AZ, United States; (KPHX) 33-26-03N 112-03-04W 336M; last updated: Nov 17, 2001 01:56 PM EST; Dew Point: 41.0 F (5.0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.1 in. Hg (1019 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.04 inches (1.4 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 26%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 78.1 F (25.6 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: Variable at 3 MPH (3 KT) |
| 18:47:15 | Russ | ibot: weather kphx |
| 18:48:01 | SpaceCoaster | I moved from Florida to here because of the weather. |
| 18:49:57 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: the backlight stuff? |
| 18:50:08 | Russ | yah, enable it, along with the module for shannon |
| 18:50:44 | SpaceCoaster | thanks, did it. |
| 18:59:56 | SpaceCoaster | Russ shall I update the wheaties.c, serial_flash.c and spi.c on tuxscreen.net CVS to work with shannon.h? |
| 19:00:04 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 19:10:31 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: I applied you the patches, no other changes and it hangs at loop: loaded (max 8 devices) |
| 19:12:12 | SpaceCoaster | s/you the/the/ |
| 19:23:24 | Russ | hmmm |
| 19:23:31 | Russ | I'm not compiling in loop |
| 19:25:09 | SpaceCoaster | on 2.4.7 "SA1100 flash: probing 32-bit flash bus" comes just after loop. |
| 19:25:38 | Russ | are you compiling in bootldr partitioning support? |
| 19:25:48 | SpaceCoaster | lemme check. |
| 19:27:05 | SpaceCoaster | I think not, where is it? |
| 19:27:17 | SpaceCoaster | is it CONFIG_MTD_BOOTLDR_PARTS |
| 19:27:42 | Russ | good, thats good that its not enabled |
| 19:27:49 | EGg0 | If I could figure out what the hell <terminal mode> and <rdp mode> meant, I might be able to fix it. |
| 19:27:55 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:45:45) |
| 19:28:39 | SpaceCoaster | that looked compaq only, put the .config on your site |
| 19:30:34 | Russ | use the default config and then turn on spi |
| 19:30:52 | SpaceCoaster | how do I use the default config? |
| 19:32:36 | SpaceCoaster | ok, I copied arch/arm/def-configs/shannon to .config |
| 19:32:57 | Russ | make shannon_config |
| 19:33:00 | Russ | make oldconfig |
| 19:35:32 | SpaceCoaster | hmmm, while I'm waiting for the compile, if serial_flash is loaded to early it gets allocated mtd0, which causes problems |
| 19:37:42 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: welcome back |
| 19:37:53 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: good morning |
| 19:38:01 | EGg0 | Well, the shannon website states, in the Documented escape sequence section, that '-' resets the unit to F!demon(Shanmon- the RDP-based demon monitor) and that '+' resets it to F!styxmon2. The unit freezes when I try '+', is this because the firmware for Styxmon is not installed? |
| 19:38:55 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: you know that hack I talked about the provide translated coordinates on 2.4.13, I have a driver called tscal.c which loads as a module. |
| 19:40:03 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: Nifty. I saw that on the CVS commits list |
| 19:41:28 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: it is pretty nifty, simple code, the technique would probably have worked on all kernels since the epoch. It redirects the read and ioctl functions. |
| 19:41:37 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: but it isn't loaded too early |
| 19:41:59 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: good, just pondering |
| 19:42:05 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: I'll try it out as soon as i get 2.4.13 on my Tux |
| 19:42:38 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: thanks, doesn't matter if we don't use it, it was fun to write. |
| 19:44:04 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: what should I change the mount of / to in /etc/fstab? |
| 19:44:46 | prpplague | anyone here know the proper usage of execl() ? |
| 19:47:14 | scanline | The best thing about IRC: no matter how sore your throat is, it's still easy to talk |
| 19:47:24 | prpplague | lol |
| 19:49:37 | Russ | comment it out for now |
| 19:49:38 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: and nobody knows how you pronounce "linux" |
| 19:49:43 | scanline | haha |
| 19:50:03 | scanline | Guh-noo slash line-ux! |
| 19:50:28 | Russ | you sound like festival |
| 19:50:34 | SpaceCoaster | and I thought it was leeenoooks |
| 19:50:54 | scanline | That was my Richard Stallman impersonation :) |
| 19:51:43 | SpaceCoaster | must be the only Finish pronunciation of a word in the English language |
| 19:52:02 | scanline | leeenoooks, the best kind of nukes |
| 19:52:17 | SpaceCoaster | lol |
| 19:53:13 | scanline | woohoo |
| 19:53:20 | scanline | renders slashdot on his Tuxscreen without crashing |
| 19:53:55 | SpaceCoaster | woohoo indeed |
| 19:54:11 | scanline | No support for tables yet, so it looks kinda cheesy :) |
| 19:54:33 | scanline | wants hardware accelerated bitblits |
| 19:54:41 | SpaceCoaster | what html engine are you using? |
| 19:54:57 | scanline | The one i'm writing for PicoGUI |
| 19:55:37 | SpaceCoaster | very cool |
| 19:56:20 | scanline | for some odd reason it seems to be rendering faster on my tux than on my desktop... probably because i have gobs of debugging options turned on in my desktop build |
| 19:58:33 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: it sortof booted but no messages on serial port, only on console. |
| 20:02:20 | SpaceCoaster | hmm, CONFIG_CMDLINE="console=ttySA0,9600..." would 115200 be better? |
| 20:02:56 | SpaceCoaster | CONFIG_SA1100_DEFAULT_BAUDRATE=9600 |
| 20:14:05 | SpaceCoaster | is away: getting supplies |
| 20:19:01 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: still hanging probably in same place, just before "SA1100 flash: probing 32-bit flash bus |
| 20:19:01 | SpaceCoaster | " |
| 20:30:45 | dirkx | Russ - you awake ? |
| 20:44:26 | dirkx | Russ - you awake ? |
| 20:44:26 | dirkx | Just wanted to ask about udhcpc ? |
| 21:44:58 | scanline | Anyone here know of a rich text format that's easier to parse than HTML? |
| 21:48:32 | EGg0 | is away: Going out to dinner. |
| 21:56:16 | cory | I'm on top of my roof right now |
| 21:56:36 | scanline | haha |
| 21:58:05 | cory | 802.11b rocks |
| 22:01:05 | scanline | sure beats wiring your roof with cat5 |
| 22:01:17 | cory | absolutely |
| 22:01:34 | scanline | is this with the tuxscreen or with a laptop? |
| 22:01:58 | cory | ibook 2k1 running macosx ssh'd to an openbsd sparc box |
| 22:02:26 | scanline | has an ibook2 with airport also :) |
| 22:02:32 | cory | nice |
| 22:02:34 | cory | I love it |
| 22:02:37 | cory | don't you get great range? :) |
| 22:02:42 | scanline | it's a great machine |
| 22:03:12 | scanline | well, most of the buildings around here are brick and concrete, so it depends on how many walls the signal's going through |
| 22:03:23 | cory | nods |
| 22:03:38 | cory | in my concrete dorm I can eat in the cafeteria and have wireless from my room |
| 22:03:57 | dirkx | Hmm- now why does '/dev/wheaties' not show up ? Does that need a mknod ? or is that automatic on linux ? |
| 22:04:18 | scanline | cory: nifty |
| 22:04:25 | scanline | dirkx: you need mknod /dev/wheaties c 60 0 |
| 22:04:30 | cory | quite. I think it's against the rules though. |
| 22:04:44 | cory | my next door neighbor at home (parent's home) run an open wireless ap though |
| 22:05:08 | scanline | Heh. I couldn't find any official rules against 802.11b, but when i mentioned it to somebody working in IT here he said it's not allowed |
| 22:05:08 | cory | I'm going down to ground level |
| 22:05:16 | cory | "no wireless hubs" |
| 22:05:20 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:05:23 | cory | but it's not "on their network" |
| 22:05:36 | cory | it's on my internal rfc 1918 network |
| 22:05:41 | cory | whatever.. I'm getting off the roof |
| 22:05:44 | scanline | rfc1918? |
| 22:05:56 | cory | 192.168.x, 10.x, etc |
| 22:06:00 | cory | private address space |
| 22:06:02 | scanline | ah, right |
| 22:06:05 | scanline | same here |
| 22:06:10 | cory | and I don't have ip masq on |
| 22:06:21 | cory | I just use ssh tunnel to an http proxy on another box. heh. hrm ;) |
| 22:06:35 | scanline | :) |
| 22:06:42 | scanline | hi GPSFan |
| 22:06:49 | cory | depends on how you interpret the rules |
| 22:06:58 | scanline | yup |
| 22:08:15 | GPSFan | scanline: howdy! |
| 22:09:20 | cory | leaving the roof |
| 22:09:51 | Hiraghm | BZ? |
| 22:09:57 | | I haven't seen 'BZ', Hiraghm |
| 22:09:57 | Hiraghm | ibot seen BZ? |
| 22:10:04 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 56 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: nope. if sboot/inferno is on the phone it connects ok for me. [Sat Nov 17 18:13:39 2001] |
| 22:10:04 | Hiraghm | ibot seen BZFlag? |
| 22:10:17 | Hiraghm | well poopies 8c( |
| 22:10:35 | | I haven't seen 'ibot', scanline |
| 22:10:35 | scanline | ibot seen ibot? |
| 22:10:41 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:11:29 | Hiraghm | hehe |
| 22:11:39 | Hiraghm | I gots another unrelated question |
| 22:11:56 | Hiraghm | can anybody recommend a good place online to buy a Tyan Thunder motherboard? |
| 22:12:11 | scanline | have you looked on pricewatch? |
| 22:12:21 | dirkx | Hmm - now where to all those devices in /dev come from - they seem to be created automatically. But /dev/wheaties c 60 0 is not. |
| 22:13:41 | Hiraghm | yeah, I've looked on pricewatch, but I dunno which of those dealers if any is a good one. |
| 22:14:10 | scanline | Well, i just ordered me an Athlon system from pricewatch, so let's hope so :) |
| 22:14:19 | Hiraghm | from whom? |
| 22:14:29 | scanline | econopc.com |
| 22:14:48 | scanline | that's where i got the barebones system |
| 22:15:27 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 22:15:43 | Hiraghm | thanks, I'll check them out too. |
| 22:41:06 | Hiraghm | pokes BZFlag |
| 22:43:02 | scanline | gdb |
| 22:43:06 | scanline | oops |
| 22:44:51 | Hiraghm | gdb oops |
| 22:49:22 | dirkx | Hmm -looking at agere.com's datasheets for the DSP -> that is one hell of a flexible beast. Has any-one jtag-ed out the programming of hte device ? |
| 22:55:25 | Aelhaz | dirkx: unfortunately it's also a mask rom device |
| 22:55:47 | Aelhaz | dirkx: it's programming is hard-coded in the hardest-coding available |
| 22:56:08 | Aelhaz | you couldn't even blank out the programming with a dental x-ray |
| 22:56:17 | Hiraghm | frowns |
| 22:56:23 | Aelhaz | (which generally works for eproms w/o windows) |
| 22:59:16 | dirkx | Aelhaz: Hmm - looking at the spec's at the lucent site - I get the impression that the JTag interface should still allow for readout ? I.e. those on pin 52 and 53. |
| 22:59:45 | dirkx | I am just trying to find out what I need to know to make the speakerphone pick up the hook as well. |
| 23:00:23 | scanline | dirkx: You've seen CosmicPenguin's dsp document, right? |
| 23:01:53 | dirkx | That site seems down - I just saw the message protocol on the tuxscreen site and am looking at the code. |
| 23:02:45 | Aelhaz | dirkx: Sure, you can read the code |
| 23:02:52 | scanline | dirkx: Read the code to tuxphone |
| 23:02:55 | Aelhaz | dirkx: but the chip was programmed before it was even packaged |
| 23:03:00 | Aelhaz | or tested |
| 23:03:55 | scanline | Yeah, something's wrong with cosmic.censoft.com... anybody have a mirror? |
| 23:04:10 | scanline | oh, i do... |
| 23:05:13 | scanline | This isn't the latest version, but it's better than nothing: http://yoshi.picogui.org:10000/dspspec.html |
| 23:05:24 | scanline | You might also look at the 'wheaties.h' file from tuxphone |
| 23:10:58 | GPSFan | scanline: your site doesn't seem to be responding. you may also want to look at shandsp.h from the Inferno codebase. there are some interesting references to commands for recording and playback. |
| 23:12:19 | scanline | Might be having DNS troubles... try http://128.138.2.87:10000/dspspec.html |
| 23:13:00 | scanline | When CosmicPenguin fixes cosmic.censoft.com we should probably mirror dspspec.html on tuxscreen.net |
| 23:15:46 | GPSFan | scanline: I had it stored locally, I'll put it on Tuxscreen.net. |
| 23:16:27 | scanline | GPSFan: Thanks |
| 23:17:02 | scanline | GPSFan: Is it the newer one, with the undocumented audio routes? |
| 23:18:08 | GPSFan | scanline: I got it on Oct 16, so it may be old. |
| 23:18:34 | scanline | Yeah, it's old |
| 23:18:49 | scanline | my local copy is from Nov 1, and it doesn't have the new stuff |
| 23:19:34 | GPSFan | better than nothing, it is at: http://tuxscreen.net/download/DSPspec/dspspec.htm |
| 23:38:06 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 hours, 24 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: nope. if sboot/inferno is on the phone it connects ok for me. [Sat Nov 17 18:13:39 2001] |
| 23:38:06 | Hiraghm | ibot seen BZFlag? |
| 23:40:46 | dirkx | Nice - going through the document - how was that information gathered/learned ?\ |
| 23:49:23 | boodle | BZFlag: greetings, got debian going on ia-1. have you looked inside with an eye toward ram upgrade? |