| 00:02:50 | BZFlag | andersee: does the netwinder have the equiv of a sa1111 ? |
| 00:02:58 | BZFlag | ie things like usb host? |
| 00:03:26 | BZFlag | anyone know of a device with an sa1111 on it that linux supports? I hear the neponset might have one? |
| 00:04:49 | andersee | BZFlag: it has just an sa110 |
| 00:05:07 | andersee | BZFlag: the external footbridge chip provides PCI and such |
| 00:05:16 | andersee | BZFlag: but no USB... :( |
| 00:05:56 | andersee | Presumably, one could manage to wire a USB PCI device in though. |
| 00:06:21 | andersee | I've never looked into how exposed (or not) the PCI bus is |
| 00:06:25 | vosque | hey, how much of the tuxphone stuff in CVS works? |
| 00:10:01 | scanline | is back (gone 00:41:16) |
| 00:13:00 | jacques | vosque: 62% |
| 00:13:52 | Tangent | jacques : good answer ;) |
| 00:14:03 | jacques | :-D |
| 00:15:11 | vosque | heh |
| 00:15:13 | vosque | dumb question. |
| 00:15:14 | vosque | sorry |
| 00:15:30 | jacques | vosque: no, I'm sorry |
| 00:15:42 | vosque | It *was* a good answer. :) |
| 00:16:07 | jacques | you were suppsed to say "which 62%?" |
| 00:18:41 | SpaceCoaster | jacques: you were asking about the atmel flash, i've put together a "driver" which lets us read/write it but doesn't support JFFS2 quite yet. Do you have any ideas/plans for it? |
| 00:19:12 | spse_ | what interface does it export? |
| 00:19:19 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: I was just asking why it was even there - it seems to share functionality with the flash chips |
| 00:20:16 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: maybe you know - how does one physically interface to a LCC (leadless chip carrier) IC ? |
| 00:20:35 | SpaceCoaster | I think it was used to store user data, as opposed to system stuff, so you could reload the operating system and not trash your address book. |
| 00:21:08 | BZFlag | andersee: thanx. new bid here for a handheld with keyboard and usb host controllers. |
| 00:21:29 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: ah, makes sense |
| 00:21:52 | SpaceCoaster | jacques: sounds like a hardware question, no idea, sorry. |
| 00:22:16 | jacques | looks around for hardware gurus. |
| 00:22:24 | spse_ | SpaceCoaster: what interface does your driver export to userland? |
| 00:22:53 | SpaceCoaster | spse_: sorry didn't realise you were talking to me, it's an MTD driver. |
| 00:23:50 | spse_ | what problem are you having with jffs2 |
| 00:23:51 | spse_ | ? |
| 00:23:56 | Russ | hey andersee |
| 00:24:28 | andersee | howdy |
| 00:26:04 | SpaceCoaster | spse_: none really, my driver is really simple and can only read/write whole pages (256bytes). It needs some buffering/queuing and interrupting to be proper. JFFS2 writes little bitty chunks (12 bytes). |
| 00:27:09 | andersee | Russ: whats up? |
| 00:27:11 | spse_ | SpaceCoaster: do you mean you need to add in a read-modify-write or can you do sub page writes? |
| 00:31:16 | SpaceCoaster | spse_: read-modify-write is what is needed. MTD/JFFS2 pukes if the erase page size isn't >= 4096. |
| 00:32:49 | spse_ | SpaceCoaster: what do you currently present the erase size as? I knoticed the datasheet has 4x 128K blocks |
| 00:34:24 | SpaceCoaster | I make the erase size 4096. Funnily enough I haven't got the erase command to work. It does erases automatically on write so it's not a problem, just slower. |
| 00:35:41 | spse_ | when I wrote an mtd drive, i found jffs2 really likes an erase size of around 64K minimum |
| 00:35:51 | spse_ | drive = driver |
| 00:36:58 | SpaceCoaster | Hmm, david ??? (Mr MTD) was a bit edgy when I told him about this device, I think it's on the edge of his expectations. He did think that 4096 would work. We shall see. |
| 00:37:52 | spse_ | woodhouse ;) You could just tell the mtd interface the erase size is 64K anyway, especially if you are not really doing them ;) |
| 00:38:05 | SpaceCoaster | It has 2048 x 264byte pages or, for speedy erases, 256 x 2112 byte blocks. |
| 00:38:52 | SpaceCoaster | I am writing 0xff to the blocks, this should be good enough. Writing isn't quick, 20ms per 264 byte page. |
| 00:39:22 | spse_ | so is there an erase command and a write without erase command? |
| 00:40:10 | BZFlag | remember that jffs2 reserves 5 blocks so if we used 64k blocks we would eat up more than half the device right there. |
| 00:40:29 | SpaceCoaster | Yes, and that would be the way to do it (erase block, 8 pages = 12ms), write page no erase = 14ms |
| 00:40:59 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: hmm, where do you find these facts, enquiring minds... |
| 00:41:11 | BZFlag | heh, use the source, luke. |
| 00:41:36 | spse_ | SpaceCoaster: also, if you do eraases by writing ffs, you are the life of the flash since its doing an implicit erase/write to do you fake erase |
| 00:42:06 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: urgh |
| 00:43:41 | andersee | GPSFan: what sort of relay (or solid state device) would be needed to turn on/off an inductive load such as a fan using a GPIO line? |
| 00:43:48 | SpaceCoaster | spse_: hmm, not really, I think these things are limited to a certain number of erases, write/erase or just erase who cares. But you are right it should do the right thing. If you can get the erase page/block commands to set the busy bit then feel free to comment in the erase code. I tried. |
| 00:44:03 | BZFlag | I still say putting the kernel in serial flash is the best use on the shannon. |
| 00:44:27 | jacques | as long as it fits in 4Mb |
| 00:44:40 | andersee | BZFlag: and then modularize the kernel? |
| 00:44:46 | BZFlag | andersee: yes |
| 00:45:16 | BZFlag | build mtd(for liner flash) and jffs2 in, modularize the rest. |
| 00:45:42 | spse_ | you could aplly the printk patch someone posted to lkml the other day and save 135K ish ;) |
| 00:45:47 | BZFlag | then you get 4M - 128k for jff2 without having to include the kernel. |
| 00:46:17 | SpaceCoaster | spse_: what did that do? |
| 00:46:18 | BZFlag | spse_: that's 135k uncompressed, no? |
| 00:46:27 | andersee | Can blob boot the kernel out of serial flash? |
| 00:46:35 | BZFlag | andersee: not yet. ;-) |
| 00:47:38 | spse_ | made printk an nop and replaced some of the important printk's with oops_printk - some guy was trying to squeeze the kernel onto a small embedded system |
| 00:47:53 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: we could use the 264 byte pages and get 528K for the kernel. |
| 00:47:56 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: it's fairly easy to just rip out all the printk's and save that much space. |
| 00:48:23 | BZFlag | most of the saved space _should_ bin in init which gets discarded anyway, but it's not. |
| 00:49:14 | BZFlag | Lineo did a simple patch to convert all printks to numeric messages once and saved about that much. then you would have to lookup all the numbers in a book to see what's really happening. |
| 00:49:42 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: oooh, AIX compatibility mode |
| 00:50:08 | BZFlag | heh, yep. I suppose you could even do a \r instead of a \n for completeness. ;-) |
| 00:52:01 | BZFlag | should be possible to take that a step further and make a kernel_msgs module. if loaded you get text messages, else just numerics. |
| 00:52:14 | SpaceCoaster | spse_: are you tempted to get the erase command working? |
| 00:52:44 | andersee | Any hardware people here? SpaceCoaster? |
| 00:52:45 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Why? Just write&erase with no data |
| 00:52:56 | Tangent | andersee : I'm quite hardware ish |
| 00:53:02 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: that is a reasonable idea, standard internationalisation trick too. |
| 00:53:23 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: heh, you guesses the hidden intent! congrats. |
| 00:53:25 | andersee | Tangent: what sort of relay (or solid state device) would be needed to turn on/off an inductive load such as a fan using one of the ARM GPIO lines? |
| 00:53:32 | spse_ | its worth it if it get rid of the erase/write cycle when you write all 0xffs |
| 00:54:02 | jacques | andersee: if you find a hardware person, please let me know - Ihave a Q |
| 00:54:08 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: faster to do block (8 page) erase and then write no erase. Also the erase command SHOULD work. |
| 00:54:33 | BZFlag | wonders if writing all 0xff actually uses a write cycle or not. ;-) |
| 00:54:41 | spse_ | and it makes it more compatible with the mtd interface which expects there to be an erase function |
| 00:54:58 | SpaceCoaster | jacques: Tangent is the man. |
| 00:56:52 | spse_ | SpaceCoaster: where is your atmel code - in the kernel source? |
| 00:58:17 | SpaceCoaster | As long as you promise to be nice, it's at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/tuxscreen/kernel |
| 00:58:22 | jacques | SpaceCoaster: I don't think Tangent even knows what a LCC is :-) |
| 00:58:47 | Tangent | jacques : True.. LCC isn't a package format I recognise |
| 00:59:06 | SpaceCoaster | leaps back in amazement |
| 00:59:08 | BZFlag | knows what an LLC is |
| 00:59:19 | Tangent | andersee : You want a FET and a diode to protect it from the inductive kick |
| 00:59:25 | SpaceCoaster | leaps forward again |
| 00:59:41 | jacques | BZFlag: cool! how do I physically connect to it? |
| 00:59:51 | Tangent | andersee : Something like an IRF3303 or IRF 5305 should do it.. with a reasonably fast diode |
| 01:00:06 | BZFlag | jacques: first get in your car. then drive to Utah, then... ;-) |
| 01:00:34 | Tangent | andersee : How much mA does the inductor pull? |
| 01:01:22 | BZFlag | andersee: do you have a temp sensor? |
| 01:01:32 | andersee | Tangent: not sure yet. Its a little case fan (on my netwinder). I want to make it turn off when it isn't needed (too loud). |
| 01:01:36 | Tangent | andersee : And what voltage do you need to switch for tha tmatter |
| 01:01:58 | Tangent | andersee : Yeah.. I'd use an IRF3303 and a 1N4004 for that |
| 01:02:04 | andersee | I believe its a 12V fan -- need to double check |
| 01:02:21 | BZFlag | have you considered an analog sensor? just have the sensor control the fan directly |
| 01:02:26 | jacques | BZFlag: ??? |
| 01:02:48 | BZFlag | jacques: LLC = limited liability corporation. ;-) |
| 01:02:51 | Tangent | andersee : That's probably fine.. I switch 12V fans from a 5V CPU with them.... not sure if a 3.3v drive would be enough for the FET though |
| 01:03:34 | andersee | BZFlag: there is a sensor, and a fan monotoring daemon. But the rev 4 netwinder lacks the hardware to turn off the fan (added in the rev 5) |
| 01:03:50 | jacques | d'oh |
| 01:04:11 | BZFlag | andersee: can't you get the sensor to control the fan itself and leave the CPU out of it? |
| 01:04:44 | andersee | I believe the sa110 CPU runs at 3.3v... dunno the levels on the GPIOs yet, but proably TTL. |
| 01:05:58 | Tangent | andersee : If the GPIO lines are ttl levels, then it'll be just fine :) |
| 01:06:14 | andersee | BZFlag: The thermistor and the fan are not in any way connected right now.... |
| 01:06:18 | andersee | Tangent: excellent. |
| 01:06:33 | BZFlag | andersee: that's easy to fix, no? |
| 01:07:21 | Tangent | andersee : http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irl3303.pdf |
| 01:07:33 | Tangent | I meant IRL3303.. not IRF3303.. that one doesn't exist |
| 01:08:45 | as_ | Nite all. |
| 01:08:59 | spse_ | SpaceCoaster: I might be being incredibly thick, but isnt there a bug in the memcpy calls in serial_read and serial_write? |
| 01:12:52 | andersee | Tangent: cool. So a diode on the GPIO input line, then connect the diode to one of these babies, and connect the IRL3303 to power and the fan. right? |
| 01:14:12 | Tangent | andersee : Not quite... GPIO line goes to the G (Gate) on the Fet... |
| 01:14:20 | Tangent | andersee : S on the FET connects to GND |
| 01:14:30 | Tangent | andersee : +12V, through the fan, to D (Drain) |
| 01:14:49 | Tangent | The Diode is reverse biased across the FET.. |
| 01:14:59 | Tangent | Between the S and D pins |
| 01:15:22 | Tangent | andersee : When we stop powering the fan, the inductive kick we get is negative |
| 01:15:48 | Tangent | andersee : The diode is to stop the D (Drain) falling below GND |
| 01:19:03 | GPSFan | andersee: just back from dinner, Tangent is the man for control of inductive loads. but if you only have 3.3V logic comming out of your GPIO, you will need a level translator (npn transistor) to get you enough voltage for the gate. 3.3V isn't enough. |
| 01:20:38 | andersee | Tangent: cool. Thanks for the info. |
| 01:20:50 | andersee | GPSFan: I'm looking up the GPIO levels now. |
| 01:21:54 | Tangent | GPSFan : 3.3V might be enough.. as long as it's all the way to 3.3, and not some lameass 2.57 |
| 01:22:03 | GPSFan | andersee: if it's your NetWinder, with an SA110 that's running at 3.3V, I believe that the GPIO levels will also be 3.3V. |
| 01:22:48 | Tangent | could test VGSon to see for sure... I have IRL3303s here :) |
| 01:22:50 | GPSFan | Tangent: if your logic level FTE is of the newest family ($$$) true. but most cheap available ones need a bit more. |
| 01:23:07 | GPSFan | s/FTE/FET |
| 01:26:06 | Tangent | GPSFan : Judging by the graphs, it looks like this fet saturates at around 3.5V with a Vds=15V |
| 01:26:22 | Tangent | GPSFan : Might just be good enough |
| 01:27:30 | GPSFan | Tangent: ok, so if the GPIO is at full 3.3V, then the FET win not be quite fully on, ie. there will be a voltage drop between S & D. the curves should show you how much. |
| 01:32:27 | Tangent | GPSFan : Oddly enough, I can't find a helpful looking graph for that one.. but maybe I'm just being thick |
| 01:33:04 | andersee | From the PDF, it looks like pretty much anything over 3V is basicaly 100% on |
| 01:34:00 | Tangent | andersee : From the gate capacitance graph, you can see where the junction gets saturated.. where the graph levels off for a bit... That's our 100% on point... round about 3.5-3.7V |
| 01:34:41 | GPSFan | Tangent: according to fig 1 it looks like at 25C and 3V VGS, you can get about 3A through it. |
| 01:35:17 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yeah... sounds about right |
| 01:35:27 | andersee | I expect this little fan will draw a bit less then that. :) |
| 01:35:42 | andersee | more lile 0.15A |
| 01:35:57 | andersee | s/lile/like/ |
| 01:36:09 | Tangent | andersee : Nod.. you shouldn't need a heatsink for the FET |
| 01:36:25 | Tangent | andersee : Particularly as it's either 100% on, or 100% off... |
| 01:36:32 | GPSFan | andersee: looks good to me. |
| 01:37:03 | andersee | And so even at 3.3v, it should be on-enough to make the fan spin, right? |
| 01:37:37 | Tangent | andersee : Yeah, will make fan spin, but we're gonna get our fet hot unless it's at 100% |
| 01:37:57 | andersee | Ahh. gotcha. power has to go somewhere... |
| 01:38:16 | Tangent | andersee : In spite of the picture on the pdf, it's packaged more like a regular little transistor.. not some meaty FET |
| 01:38:40 | Tangent | andersee : The only way to know is to try it.. those FETs are about 80c each |
| 01:39:00 | andersee | I think I can afford $0.80. :) |
| 01:39:08 | GPSFan | andersee: if the channel isn't fully enhanced the RDS(on) won't be .026ohm. |
| 01:39:45 | Tangent | GPSFan : incidently, these are the same fets I was thinking about for auto VCC control for the pcmcia slots |
| 01:39:48 | GPSFan | andersee: but with 3.3V it won't bee too bad esp. with only .5A or so. |
| 01:40:41 | andersee | Cool beans. Thanks guys! |
| 01:40:50 | andersee | I'll give it a try in the next few days. |
| 01:40:54 | GPSFan | Tangent: these are nice fets, but a bit large. I was thinking of a controller with them built in, or some of the SO8 fets. |
| 01:41:14 | andersee | Maybe radio shack has something comparable? |
| 01:41:16 | Tangent | GPSFan : They're not as big as they look |
| 01:41:33 | GPSFan | Tangent: TO-220. |
| 01:41:38 | andersee | Radio shack is 1 mile from my house |
| 01:42:03 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yep in terms of leg spacing.. but it's actually an SMT package |
| 01:42:14 | GPSFan | andersee: does RS have these? |
| 01:42:19 | Tangent | GPSFan : You can spot it in the centre of my PCB here.. http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/15.jpg |
| 01:42:29 | GPSFan | Tangent: I was looking at the TO-220 version data sheet. |
| 01:42:50 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yeah.. The datasheet is misleading |
| 01:43:00 | Tangent | GPSFan : It's not a full size to220 |
| 01:43:22 | GPSFan | Tangent: that must be the IRL3303S in a D2-pak |
| 01:43:31 | andersee | GPSFan: no idea. Worth a look since they are near my housr |
| 01:44:04 | GPSFan | andersee: look on their web site, it usually says whether the stores stock the items. |
| 01:44:20 | andersee | k. will do. |
| 01:44:23 | andersee | Thanks again |
| 01:44:46 | GPSFan | Tangent: or TO-262 whis an SMT device. |
| 01:44:55 | Tangent | http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfr3303.pdf |
| 01:45:07 | Tangent | GPSFan : I actually have TO-251AA packages apparently |
| 01:45:36 | Tangent | GPSFan : Holding one in my hand now, it's an IRFU3303.. not an IRL3303.. |
| 01:45:37 | GPSFan | Tangent: ok, I was looking at http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irl3303s.pdf |
| 01:45:44 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yeah.. my fault |
| 01:48:16 | GPSFan | Tangent: if it is a IRFR not an IRL, 3.3V won't even begin to turn it on, see fig 1. with 4.5 VGS, you can only get .1A ,so at 3.3 VGS, it will be worse. |
| 01:48:34 | Tangent | GPSFan : I have an IRFU3303 |
| 01:49:08 | Tangent | GPSFan : Nod.. that doesn't saturate fully until around 3V |
| 01:49:22 | Tangent | GPSFan : Looks like I got lucky with my first recommendation :) |
| 01:50:01 | GPSFan | Tangent: ;>) where do you see it saturating at 3V? |
| 01:50:18 | Tangent | GPSFan : OK.. luckier |
| 01:56:00 | Tangent | can't find any helpful listings of FETs by Vgs saturation values |
| 02:03:47 | jacques | GPSFan: do you know what a LCC IC package is? |
| 02:03:57 | GPSFan | jacques: yep |
| 02:04:05 | jacques | faints dead away. |
| 02:04:35 | jacques | GPSFan: what's th proper way to se them? surface-mount? a special socket? |
| 02:04:40 | jacques | se==use |
| 02:05:30 | jacques | GPSFan: I got my free accelerometers today |
| 02:06:15 | GPSFan | jacques: which ones did you get, I've got some of these on order. http://www.memsic.com/ratio.pdf |
| 02:06:59 | GPSFan | jacques: the proper way to connect to an LCC is via IR or hot air soldering, but there are special sockets. |
| 02:07:22 | jacques | GPSFan: IR? |
| 02:07:35 | GPSFan | jacques: infrared. |
| 02:07:39 | jacques | GPSFan: those look possibly nicer than mine - finding link to mine |
| 02:07:58 | GPSFan | jacques: are yours analog devices? |
| 02:08:00 | jacques | mine is ADXL202AE |
| 02:08:04 | jacques | GPSFan: yep |
| 02:08:15 | jacques | mine are +-2g |
| 02:08:18 | jacques | 2-axis |
| 02:08:49 | GPSFan | jacques: AD had some in 8pin dip's at one time, I may have some samples in my drawer somewhere. |
| 02:09:29 | GPSFan | jacques: the memsic devices are really cool how they work, look at their animation on the web site. |
| 02:09:35 | jacques | GPSFan: yeah, but they only give free samples of the latest stuff, and that's 8 lead LCC |
| 02:10:05 | GPSFan | jacques: that's both the good & bad news. ;>) |
| 02:10:46 | jacques | GPSFan: http://www.analog.com/pdf/ADXL202E_a.pdf |
| 02:12:19 | jacques | 5mm x 5mm x 2mm |
| 02:16:21 | Tangent | jacques : Hrm.. kinda small |
| 02:16:38 | Tangent | jacques : Was that iron you bought fine enough for that? |
| 02:17:00 | jacques | Tangent: dunno, smallest tip i bought is 0.2 mm |
| 02:17:19 | Tangent | jacques : That's pretty damn small.. you might get away with it |
| 02:17:47 | jacques | GPSFan: coolest thing about the ADXL202 is the digital output - no need for A/D conversion (though there is a mode for that too) |
| 02:17:57 | jacques | Tangent: now if only i could see that well |
| 02:18:13 | GPSFan | jacques: that URL doesn't work. you have to be logged on at their website. how about the ADXL202/210? |
| 02:18:44 | jacques | GPSFan: basically this is the latest version of the ADXL202 (2 axix, +-2g) |
| 02:18:58 | jacques | ADXL210 is 2 axis +-10g |
| 02:19:40 | jacques | the ADXL can be directly connected to a microcontroller |
| 02:20:00 | jacques | or microprocessor of course |
| 02:28:54 | jacques | this is a cool use of the older model: http://bodotill.suburbia.com.au/adxl202/adxl202.html |
| 02:31:10 | GPSFan | jacques: now you have me eager again, I'll have to dig out my old samples and see if I can get the pilot app going. |
| 02:31:21 | jacques | GPSFan: :-D |
| 02:39:46 | jacques | GPSFan: heh, mine will work in a vacuum |
| 02:45:00 | | cworth was last seen on #tuxscreen 29 days, 6 hours, 41 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: later all [Tue Oct 16 21:03:40 2001] |
| 02:45:00 | BZFlag | ibot: seen cworth |
| 02:48:21 | Tangent | goes to bed.. night all |
| 02:49:47 | jacques | when he said later, he really meant it |
| 03:02:35 | jacques | BZFlag: wb |
| 03:08:45 | BZFlag | heh, waiting for a computer... done now. headed home. cya |
| 03:18:29 | thekernel | has email again |
| 04:24:58 | vosque | hmm |
| 04:25:25 | vosque | OP is being 'wacky' today, methinks. |
| 05:10:06 | Russ | where'd spacecoaster go? |
| 05:10:08 | dirkx | In '.config' which PCMCIA card maps to "eth0: NE2000 Compatible: io 0xf7000300, irq 48, hw_addr 00:80:C8:BA:9C:69 " |
| 05:10:15 | | spacecoaster was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 hours, 10 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: leaps forward again [Thu Nov 15 00:59:25 2001] |
| 05:10:15 | Russ | ibot: seen spacecoaster |
| 05:10:30 | Russ | what do you mean, which PCMCIA card |
| 05:10:48 | dirkx | You've got those settings in linux/.config: |
| 05:10:49 | dirkx | # |
| 05:10:49 | dirkx | # PCMCIA network device support |
| 05:10:49 | dirkx | # |
| 05:10:49 | dirkx | CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA=y |
| 05:10:49 | dirkx | #CONFIG_PCMCIA_3C589=y |
| 05:10:50 | dirkx | #CONFIG_PCMCIA_3C574=y |
| 05:10:52 | dirkx | #CONFIG_PCMCIA_FMVJ18X=y |
| 05:10:54 | dirkx | CONFIG_PCMCIA_PCNET=y |
| 05:10:56 | dirkx | #CONFIG_PCMCIA_NMCLAN=y |
| 05:10:58 | dirkx | #CONFIG_PCMCIA_SMC91C92=y |
| 05:11:04 | dirkx | And I am wondering which of these maps to the eth0 NE2000 pcmcia card ? |
| 05:11:35 | collord | dirkx: pcnet_cs.o is the ne2k pcmcia driver |
| 05:11:36 | Russ | probably just the ne.o driver |
| 05:11:50 | Russ | er |
| 05:12:03 | collord | digs around |
| 05:12:04 | dirkx | Ah - pcnet - so; PCnet is *not* the normal wireless driver for the PCnet chipset ? |
| 05:13:31 | collord | card "E2000 NE2000-Compatible Ethernet" |
| 05:13:31 | collord | version "Ethernet Adapter", "E2000 PCMCIA Ethernet" |
| 05:13:33 | collord | bind "pcnet_cs" |
| 05:14:02 | collord | dirkx: what is PCnet wireless? |
| 05:14:06 | dirkx | Ack - trying to make a kernel with both my WaveLAN card and an NE2000 card. |
| 05:14:31 | dirkx | collord: it is a chipset by ??hermes?? which is in almost all 803.11 cards. (or at least ina lot of them) |
| 05:15:09 | dirkx | Hmm -this whole .config stuff is confusing :-) |
| 05:15:16 | collord | dirkx: ah, hadn't heard it called that. yeah, hermes is one, prism the other |
| 05:15:26 | collord | dirkx: use menuconfig? |
| 05:16:27 | andersee | i.e. 'make menuconfig' |
| 05:16:40 | dirkx | 'make menuconfig' ? but there is soo much stuff there which does nto seem applicable to the tuxscreen ? or is that harmless ? I've had menuconfig generate some weird .config files with things like IDE UDU support due to some dependency. |
| 05:20:35 | GoRK | hello |
| 05:20:37 | dirkx | By the way - do you *have* to do a 'flash ramdisk' after you download one - or can you simply continue booting and then have that disk go in temporarily ? |
| 05:20:43 | scanline | hi GoRK |
| 05:20:44 | GoRK | Russ: how's it coming? :) |
| 05:20:48 | GoRK | hey scanline |
| 05:21:15 | dirkx | Hi there: thanks for your help last time - got a fully functional tuxscreen now - which run's pine, X :-) very nice all of it. |
| 05:22:12 | GoRK | i got the rest of my pieces for the pcb including the audio transformers (which i am testing right now)... the only thing i still need is the press n peel etching stuff |
| 05:22:30 | GoRK | ooh these transformers rock |
| 05:22:40 | scanline | no more ground loops?! |
| 05:22:41 | GoRK | certainly for $3 they are good |
| 05:23:00 | GoRK | they seem to be doing pretty well with the bass in prodigy's 'breathe' |
| 05:23:58 | dirkx | By the way - do you *have* to do a 'flash ramdisk' after you download one - or can you simply continue booting and then have that disk go in temporarily ? |
| 05:24:21 | GoRK | maybe too much treble falloff maybe actually |
| 05:24:43 | GoRK | changing the impedence a bit makes it sound fuller |
| 05:25:03 | GoRK | err wiring to the center post with + on the input side |
| 05:25:26 | scanline | hi BZFlag |
| 05:25:26 | Russ | ah, just checking the def config |
| 05:25:26 | Russ | then I'll review the diff |
| 05:25:26 | Russ | then release |
| 05:25:26 | Russ | andersee: any luck on bb mount -a? |
| 05:25:48 | GoRK | Russ: cool. eh well i have clock scaling turned on in it :) |
| 05:26:00 | GoRK | i realized that after i sent it off |
| 05:27:06 | GoRK | i had it on because i was going to do testing |
| 05:27:18 | Russ | well, if you want clock scaling, you just need to add the shannon DRAM timings to cpu-sa1100.c |
| 05:27:50 | GoRK | hmm i guess ill look into that. it'd be nice to get to 221mhz :) |
| 05:28:46 | Russ | timing issues still need to be checked in blob anyway (flash and DRAM wise) |
| 05:29:55 | Russ | think I'll put in my updated .config as the defconfig for now |
| 05:30:18 | GoRK | dont forget the sa1100 audio support :) |
| 05:30:32 | GoRK | ucb audio depends on it hehehe |
| 05:30:41 | GoRK | hey did you put tangent's second serial port patch in? |
| 05:31:00 | GoRK | i got some parts to build one of those too |
| 05:31:15 | Russ | yah, thats there |
| 05:33:00 | GoRK | the final test of treble/bass response shall be......... Bucephalus Bouncing Ball at 48KHz! |
| 05:34:15 | andersee | Russ: howdy. Havn't even touched busybox since last friday... :( |
| 05:36:17 | dirkx | Where would 'Waiting for chip to read, status = 7|4' come from ? |
| 05:36:30 | GoRK | jffs2 updating itself |
| 05:36:43 | GoRK | it only happens on the first boot after a flash (generally) |
| 05:36:57 | dirkx | Aye. Do I need to flash after a download ? |
| 05:37:33 | GoRK | you do remember typing 'flash ramdisk' a little while ago, right? :) |
| 05:38:16 | dirkx | :-) yes I do that now each time after a kernel/ramdisk change. But I was wondering if it was strickly needed. It seems to be the case. But not sure. |
| 05:39:21 | andersee | blob yes. ramdisk yes. kernel no. |
| 05:39:54 | GoRK | i cant believe i am UPSAMPLING my mp3's to play them on this phone |
| 05:40:16 | dirkx | Aye = shame - as I change the ramdisk more often than the kernel. Guess I need to move the ramdisk then to a network mount (which aint fast on wireless). Thanks. |
| 05:40:55 | scanline | GoRK: Are you using sox to resample? |
| 05:41:09 | GoRK | scanline: yeah sox on my desktop though.. i get bad mojo from sox on the tux |
| 05:41:42 | scanline | I look forward to the day when we can play and resample MP3s on the Tux using uClibc :) |
| 05:41:59 | GoRK | this is a glibc sox and it doesnt work |
| 05:42:09 | andersee | scanline: any idea whats missing from uClibc? |
| 05:42:24 | GoRK | andersee: maybe libm? :) |
| 05:42:47 | GoRK | naw it doesnt need libm to do a linear resample. i am just foolin with ya :) |
| 05:43:03 | scanline | andersee: I dunno, haven't looked at the code for madplay or sox yet. Been really busy with picogui lately. |
| 05:43:28 | GoRK | what we should do instead is take the madplay core and the sox linear resampler and write a tux mp3 player |
| 05:44:05 | vosque | eek |
| 05:44:13 | vosque | got a problem with buildroot-tux out of CVS |
| 05:44:28 | scanline | Running madplay compiled with uClibc mostly works- if you write the output to a wav file and play that on a desktop box it's fine |
| 05:44:40 | scanline | there's just something in uClibc that's bothering madplay's OSS output |
| 05:44:49 | vosque | It says the my ethernet card is unsupported all of a sudden. |
| 05:45:28 | vosque | it's a te100-pc16r |
| 05:46:35 | GoRK | vosque: unplug it and plug it back in |
| 05:46:44 | GoRK | vosque: oh wait |
| 05:47:13 | GoRK | vosque: the default pcmcia's config file will not support that card out of the box |
| 05:47:47 | vosque | I just found that. |
| 05:47:49 | vosque | Thanks! |
| 05:50:02 | dirkx | Is there a makefile.picogui equivalent along with the current makefile.microwindows ? |
| 05:50:07 | dirkx | ls |
| 05:51:45 | vosque | Hmm.. |
| 05:52:01 | vosque | I'd make buildroot do that automatically, but that's probably fixed in .30, I imagine. |
| 05:53:03 | scanline | dirkx: GoRK was working on integrating picogui into buildroot, but AFAIK he's not done yet |
| 05:55:53 | GoRK | well i should probably put it in there. it doesnt compile the apps yet ... only the server and client libs |
| 05:56:22 | GoRK | however, since there really arent any standard apps yet, i dont see why that is a big problem ... :-/ |
| 05:56:23 | scanline | better than nothing |
| 05:56:42 | GoRK | anyway i will do some testing on it on friday and get it in there |
| 05:57:00 | scanline | Well, so far picogui has everything the microwindows image does except a snake game |
| 05:57:26 | GoRK | im also planning on tagging cvs to get support ready for the new kernel and associated stuff, so... it wont be any problem |
| 05:57:34 | scanline | Cool. I'll try to fix up pgtuxphone some before then |
| 05:58:20 | scanline | This image you mentioned releasing this weekend, will it be based on the new kernel? |
| 05:58:58 | GoRK | scanline: if i can get the touchscreen driver fixed up |
| 05:59:13 | vosque | does the tinyX entry in the Makefile for buildroot actually work, or is that just a placeholder for now? |
| 05:59:15 | scanline | GoRK: Yeah, all the GUIs are gonna need new touchscreen code... |
| 05:59:41 | GoRK | scanline: the good thing is that the new userspace stuff can be taken from the old kernel touchscreen driver |
| 05:59:52 | scanline | that's handy |
| 06:11:52 | GoRK | good grief will this stupid network ever settle down |
| 06:12:22 | Russ | cool, who wants a new kernel? |
| 06:12:42 | GoRK | um...... linus? |
| 06:12:51 | Russ | the new backlight stuff is in, and works naturally with pm (backlight power turns off/on on pm events) |
| 06:13:02 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches |
| 06:13:33 | GoRK | Russ: against ac8 also? |
| 06:13:44 | Russ | ac8-rmk1 |
| 06:13:51 | GoRK | yes right |
| 06:14:05 | andersee | Cool. I just put ac8-rmk1 on my netwinder. |
| 06:14:10 | andersee | I'll give it a try. |
| 06:14:30 | GoRK | heh means we're up to date then :) |
| 06:16:20 | Russ | someone want to right a backlight test app? |
| 06:16:58 | GoRK | Russ: ill support it in picogui by the weekend |
| 06:17:05 | GoRK | if that counts ... :-/ |
| 06:19:59 | scanline | the backlight ioctl()s changed again? |
| 06:20:14 | andersee | mods buildroot to build ac8-rmk1-tux1 |
| 06:20:42 | Russ | it should be a bit stable for now |
| 06:21:05 | scanline | mmmkay. Is it using 0-255, or the smaller ranges? |
| 06:21:20 | GoRK | hey andersee, if you send that up to cvs, put it in a tag so it wont get downloaded by default :) due to the fact that the new kernel completely breaks quite a bit of software :) |
| 06:21:33 | Russ | it gives the actual values (but does flip them if they are reverse) |
| 06:21:59 | scanline | ok. good |
| 06:22:16 | Russ | right now it sets all three values at once from userspace, but that may want to be changed |
| 06:23:08 | GoRK | hmmm yeah :) |
| 06:23:32 | Russ | look at drivers/video/sa1100fb.[ch] for the interface |
| 06:23:52 | scanline | k |
| 06:24:41 | GoRK | is anyone else having problems looking up www.tuxscreen.net? |
| 06:24:56 | Russ | www.tuxscreen.net CNAMEusw-pr-vhost.sourceforge.net |
| 06:24:56 | Russ | usw-pr-vhost.sourceforge.netA216.136.171.204 |
| 06:25:05 | scanline | I am |
| 06:25:17 | GoRK | [~] # whois www.tuxscreen.net |
| 06:25:20 | GoRK | No match for "WWW.TUXSCREEN.NET". |
| 06:25:26 | Russ | Whois Server Version 1.3 |
| 06:25:26 | Russ | Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered |
| 06:25:26 | Russ | with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net |
| 06:25:26 | Russ | for detailed information. |
| 06:25:26 | Russ | No match for "WWW.TUXSCREEN.NET". |
| 06:25:27 | Russ | >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:02:06 EST <<< |
| 06:25:29 | Russ | The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and |
| 06:25:31 | Russ | Registrars. |
| 06:25:33 | Russ | oops |
| 06:25:35 | Russ | sorry for the flood |
| 06:25:38 | Russ | host gets it though |
| 06:25:39 | scanline | GoRK: same here |
| 06:26:01 | GoRK | i cant get a lookup of any sort |
| 06:26:15 | Russ | 216.136.171.204 |
| 06:26:39 | GoRK | or just tuxscreen.sf.net |
| 06:26:50 | scanline | Gah... dotster? |
| 06:27:05 | andersee | GoRK: tim is moving some domains around.... |
| 06:27:37 | GoRK | andersee: ah.. i guess his server came through from my registration then :) |
| 06:28:09 | andersee | I've been hosting all tims domains on codepoet.org for the past week while he has been switching ISPs |
| 06:28:46 | andersee | So perhaps he is in the process of putting things back |
| 06:28:54 | GoRK | hopefully |
| 06:34:27 | andersee | Russ |
| 06:34:29 | andersee | arm-linux-ld -r -o char.o mem.o tty_io.o n_tty.o tty_ioctl.o raw.o pty.o misc.o random.o vt.o vc_screen.o consolemap.o consolemap_deftbl.o console.o selection.o shannon_irkbd.o wheaties.o keyboard.o defkeymap.o input_keyb.o sysrq.o joystick/js.o sa1100-rtc.o sa1100_wdt.o |
| 06:34:29 | andersee | arm-linux-ld: cannot open shannon_irkbd.o: No such file or directory |
| 06:34:29 | andersee | make[4]: *** [char.o] Error 1 |
| 06:34:29 | andersee | make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/andersen/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/linux/drivers/char' |
| 06:34:30 | andersee | make[3]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 |
| 06:34:32 | andersee | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/andersen/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/linux/drivers/char' |
| 06:34:34 | andersee | make[2]: *** [_subdir_char] Error 2 |
| 06:34:37 | andersee | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/andersen/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/linux/drivers' |
| 06:34:38 | andersee | make[1]: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2 |
| 06:34:40 | andersee | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/andersen/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/linux' |
| 06:34:42 | andersee | make: *** [kernel] Error 2 |
| 06:35:53 | Russ | hmm |
| 06:36:04 | andersee | Russ: i just checked the .config I'm using into buildroot-tux as sources/config-2.4.13-ac8-rmk1-tux1 |
| 06:36:43 | Russ | is it a fresh build dir? |
| 06:37:18 | ocd | i saw this store that sell the lcd display once used for a laptop |
| 06:37:32 | ocd | why would people want to buy that? |
| 06:37:36 | ocd | separately...? |
| 06:38:33 | andersee | Russ: Yup. Do a 'rm -rf linux; cvs up' in buildroot, then apply http://codepoet.org/kernel.patch to your Makefile to reproduce |
| 06:56:39 | Russ | hmm |
| 06:56:48 | Russ | Makefile:obj-$(CONFIG_SHANNON_IRKBD) += shannon_irkbd.o |
| 07:00:16 | GoRK | nite folks |
| 07:00:52 | BZFlag | GoRK: thanx, but it looks like dotster grew half a brain. |
| 07:01:10 | GoRK | heh np. well im off |
| 07:01:35 | BZFlag | l8tr |
| 07:05:12 | andersee | Russ: shannon_irkbd.c is missing from drivers/char |
| 07:05:37 | andersee | I assume it is supposed to still be there? |
| 07:54:44 | Russ | wtf |
| 07:54:49 | Russ | where'd it go? |
| 07:54:55 | rand | what? |
| 07:57:31 | Russ | arghh...I had an uncommited file during the merge |
| 07:59:28 | Russ | andersee: found it |
| 07:59:56 | Russ | grab the patch again... |
| 08:16:12 | andersee | Russ: k. trying again. |
| 08:24:37 | scanline | grumbles at OPN |
| 08:29:39 | andersee | There is a very interesting email re the ucb1x00 driver that just showed up on arm-linux-kernel |
| 08:33:19 | ctr | andersee: oh? |
| 08:33:28 | ctr | http://www.x5.ca/bin2.swf |
| 09:47:27 | MicroChip32 | sheeeeeeeeeeesh |
| 09:47:30 | MicroChip32 | holds his breath |
| 09:47:36 | MicroChip32 | sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh |
| 09:49:27 | scanline | dang! |
| 09:49:33 | scanline | this is a bit excessive... |
| 09:50:04 | scanline | especially when you're trying to hold a conversation with someone on another server... |
| 09:50:43 | MicroChip32 | thinks we should start charging THEM for the rides |
| 09:50:59 | scanline | agrees |
| 09:51:46 | MicroChip32 | shoots the ride operator |
| 09:52:05 | scanline | hope that works |
| 09:52:12 | scanline | grr.... |
| 09:52:14 | MicroChip32 | dont hold your breath |
| 09:52:34 | MicroChip32 | hmmmmm wonder if i missed the operator and hit the mechanic? |
| 09:52:42 | scanline | these servers are bouncing like windows... |
| 09:52:48 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 09:52:48 | scanline | hehe |
| 10:03:53 | MicroChip32 | sings ... put this server in, pull that server out ... put that server in, and shake em all about ... |
| 10:04:46 | vosque | heh heh |
| 10:05:19 | scanline | 100 IRC servers on the rack, 100 IRC servers... take one down, boot it around, 99 IRC servers on the rack... |
| 10:06:12 | MicroChip32 | hehehe |
| 10:07:09 | vosque | It has been that kind of night. |
| 10:07:19 | vosque | forward keeps getting bunged up |
| 10:07:28 | scanline | no, it's all the servers... |
| 10:07:42 | scanline | i was on niven, and i thought it was having problems, so i switched to carter... same thing |
| 10:09:20 | vosque | ahh, alright. |
| 10:09:40 | vosque | hey, and people are around. |
| 10:09:42 | scanline | they didn't even send a 'globalnotice' about this :( |
| 10:09:56 | scanline | oh well, looks to have temporarily subsided |
| 10:10:44 | MicroChip32 | scanline: careful, dont speak too soon |
| 10:10:59 | scanline | hehe. oops :) |
| 10:11:29 | vosque | Does anyone know where to find the Xipaq source? |
| 10:12:00 | vosque | I'd like to compile it for uClibc, and the websites aren't very clear on wether or not it's the tinyX from XFree or what. |
| 10:12:18 | MicroChip32 | waits impatiently for CosmicPenguin to show up |
| 10:13:13 | vosque | decides that OpenBSD's version of NFS is particularly happy about pivot_root. |
| 10:13:22 | vosque | s/is/isn't/; |
| 10:22:30 | vosque | ah |
| 10:22:35 | vosque | It's actually XFree |
| 10:42:23 | jacques_gone | vosque: it's in the xfree source |
| 10:45:16 | vosque | yeah |
| 10:45:17 | vosque | found it. |
| 10:45:27 | vosque | And the note saying the author isn't big on documentation. :) |
| 10:45:45 | MicroChip32 | what real programmer IS |
| 10:47:32 | jacques_gone | vosque: wh ois listed as the author? keithp? |
| 10:48:35 | vosque | On the page I found, yes. |
| 10:49:23 | jacques_gone | vosque: beware - latest xfree cvs is broken when trying to compile xipaq |
| 10:50:07 | vosque | will stay out of cvs |
| 10:50:20 | vosque | Try to keep the number of variables down to a minimum |
| 10:50:28 | vosque | unless, of course, Xipaq is only in CVS. |
| 10:50:55 | jacques_gone | vosque: unfortunately, I'm not sure 4.1.0 is recent enough |
| 10:51:17 | jacques_gone | vosque: maybe you can fins a snapshot a couple of weeks old - that might do it - I know wihch commit broke it |
| 10:51:51 | vosque | alright. |
| 10:52:12 | vosque | I'll snag a snapshot tomorrow, then. |
| 10:52:32 | vosque | For now, I just moved my familiar tarball over to a linux box. |
| 10:54:20 | vosque | HOORAY. |
| 10:54:35 | MicroChip32 | shoots lilo |
| 10:56:17 | RedBaron | Yegawds ... enough with the spliting. |
| 10:56:21 | vosque | -lilo- [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Brief rehubbing. |
| 10:56:21 | vosque | at least we got a headsup this time |
| 10:56:22 | RedBaron | True |
| 10:56:43 | MicroChip32 | grabs the back of lilo's underwear and pulls em up over lilo's head |
| 10:57:44 | MicroChip32 | beats lilo over the head with a windows licencing packet. we get enough reboots with windows, we dont need it here too |
| 10:57:59 | vosque | harsh |
| 10:58:09 | RedBaron | Heh. Yeah, rather harsh |
| 11:00:41 | MicroChip32 | sorry, next time i'll just use the nda papers |
| 11:00:46 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 11:01:22 | vosque | haha |
| 11:27:00 | MicroChip32 | thanks lilo |
| 11:27:29 | MicroChip32 | beats lilo over the head with all the Micro$oft licencing and nda papers he can find |
| 11:28:15 | MicroChip32 | grabs the back of lilo's undies and pull them up over lilo's head and all the way down around his feet |
| 11:36:45 | RedBaron | is having problems with windows. And they all started when lilo started all this....RedBaron wonders if there is a connection. |
| 11:37:24 | scanline | You just started having problems with windows? Wow, you must have the luck virus :) |
| 11:37:36 | RedBaron | hehe. |
| 11:46:39 | vosque | luck virus. |
| 11:48:00 | scanline | Ever watch Red Dwarf? |
| 11:49:21 | vosque | indeed. |
| 11:49:26 | vosque | I have the whole set on tape. :) |
| 11:49:27 | scanline | :-D |
| 11:49:36 | RedBaron | Great show |
| 11:49:46 | scanline | My roommate has been on Grokster for weeks trying to download the whole series, so i've seen quite a bit of it |
| 11:50:59 | vosque | rock on |
| 11:51:23 | vosque | I got into the show before the days of p2p file sharing, so I actually bought the VHS tapes. |
| 11:52:06 | scanline | I wonder if they have it on DVD... |
| 11:52:23 | scanline | My roommate's also been downloading Star Trek TNG |
| 11:52:29 | vosque | hmm |
| 11:52:34 | vosque | it's BBC, so I doubt it. |
| 11:52:40 | vosque | They're just getting around to Monty Python. |
| 11:52:44 | MicroChip32 | scanline: what format downloads in ? |
| 11:52:48 | vosque | *just* now. |
| 11:52:51 | scanline | I'm a bit of a Stargate SG-1 fan, so I have the 1st season on DVD |
| 11:53:13 | scanline | MicroChip32: Whatever he can get them in... i think most of them are DivX or windows media, a few in Quicktime |
| 11:53:32 | scanline | vosque: Yeah, i saw the 15-DVD set of Monty Python :) |
| 11:57:18 | scanline | I should be getting a new 80GB hard disk in the mail soon, so maybe I'll be able to keep a local copy of his Star Trek and Red Dwarf :) |
| 12:00:55 | vosque | hmm |
| 12:01:08 | vosque | neither afterstep nor windowmaker much like Xipaq. |
| 12:01:13 | vosque | too bad, that. |
| 12:01:18 | vosque | likes dock apps. |
| 12:01:54 | scanline | I bet the iPaq is powerful enough to run Enlightenment |
| 12:02:26 | vosque | I'm actually on a tuxscreen. |
| 12:02:30 | vosque | which could probably run E. |
| 12:02:36 | scanline | Ah. Xipaq on tuxscreen :) |
| 12:02:39 | vosque | But in 8-bit, it doesn't strike me as too useful. |
| 12:02:48 | scanline | Well, i doubt it would have enough memory... |
| 12:02:52 | vosque | icewm is it, I think. |
| 12:02:55 | scanline | imlib keeps around some pretty big buffers |
| 12:03:10 | scanline | blackbox is fun |
| 12:03:15 | vosque | true that.. I dropped eterm in favor or aterm specifically because of that. |
| 12:06:20 | scanline | thekernel: ooh, are you back for good this time? |
| 12:06:31 | scanline | grumbles at OPN some more... |
| 12:07:16 | RedBaron | scanline: Your probably right. I bet the iPaq could run E ... but you probably couldnt run much else. So whats the point? :) |
| 12:07:45 | vosque | I've heard of people with the Intimate distro and a lot of space running KDE. |
| 12:08:03 | scanline | RedBaron: Hehe |
| 12:08:35 | Tangent | vosque : No you haven't... It's installed.. it doesn't have enough memory to run |
| 12:09:38 | Tangent | vosque : Now.. if I had a 32MB SoDimm, it might be a different story |
| 12:09:42 | scanline | Can't the iPaq do swap to a microdrive? |
| 12:09:58 | vosque | 32m isn't enough? |
| 12:09:59 | Tangent | scanline : Ah.. ipaq works fine.. I thought we were talking Tux |
| 12:10:28 | Tangent | Yeah.. 32M + Swap is enough |
| 12:10:28 | vosque | I was talking about Xipaq on the tux, and they thought I meant ipaq, and conversations kind of went from there. |
| 12:10:30 | scanline | Can't the tux do swap to a microdrive? |
| 12:10:40 | scanline | :) |
| 12:10:42 | Tangent | Yes it can |
| 12:10:54 | scanline | Wonder if there are any microdrives on ebay... |
| 12:10:55 | Tangent | scanline : I have two swap partition on my Tux |
| 12:11:21 | vosque | egh |
| 12:11:36 | scanline | these things aren't cheap on ebay either... |
| 12:11:57 | vosque | Okay. Found a wm that doesn't stink, but now that I'm playing with it, the pointer gets out of sync with the touchscreen the farther I move south on the screen. |
| 12:11:58 | vosque | odd that. |
| 12:12:00 | Tangent | scanline : How about the 2GB Toshiba PCMCIA cards.. around half the price of a 1GB microdrive |
| 12:12:14 | Tangent | vosque : You want fbtuxcal |
| 12:12:21 | scanline | Tangent: mmmm... how much are those? |
| 12:12:35 | Tangent | scanline : I would only tell you UK prices |
| 12:12:46 | vosque | I ran it.. |
| 12:12:49 | vosque | I'll try it again, though |
| 12:13:04 | scanline | Here's a 340MB microdrive on ebay for $147 |
| 12:13:20 | scanline | pretty bad considering i just bought an 80GB drive for about that |
| 12:13:29 | Tangent | scanline : You can probably get a 2GB drive for the same price |
| 12:13:33 | vosque | yeah |
| 12:13:35 | scanline | yeah |
| 12:13:56 | vosque | I'm waiting on those kingston drives. |
| 12:14:03 | vosque | at least, for them to come down in price. |
| 12:15:42 | vosque | ahh.. |
| 12:15:56 | vosque | had to take out the xcalibrate junk in init.d/x |
| 12:16:10 | vosque | really likes the way fbtuxcal looks |
| 12:16:23 | scanline | vosque: thanks |
| 12:24:07 | vosque | hmm |
| 12:24:13 | vosque | icewm looks really nice on the tuxscreen |
| 12:32:09 | RedBaron | vosque: Thats cool. In my opinion, Ice is the best WM around. Its even decently hackable. The guy who wrote it did a good job. And its not horrendously bloated like Eligntenment. |
| 12:33:24 | vosque | quite. |
| 12:33:40 | vosque | I've been using it in a bunch of places. |
| 12:34:46 | vosque | I'm mostly a KDE person.. |
| 12:34:52 | vosque | but KDE is too large for a lot of applications. |
| 12:35:20 | RedBaron | Very true |
| 12:41:15 | RedBaron | I personaly dont like either KDE or Gnome. Just give me a plain window manager that is nice and usable like icewm, and I'll be happy. I like to eek out as many cpu cycles and memory from the machine as possible. For running my compiles of course. :) |
| 12:42:15 | vosque | I can understand that. |
| 12:42:44 | vosque | I like things to work together and look pretty. Which is one of the reasons I went to Linux in the first place. |
| 12:42:51 | vosque | is originally a mac person. |
| 12:42:54 | RedBaron | *nod* |
| 12:43:18 | scanline | sees the day star poke its photons through his window |
| 12:43:37 | Tangent | The day star.. nice :) |
| 12:43:44 | vosque | someday, I'll be back on days. |
| 12:43:45 | scanline | I've been up all night hacking on PicoGUI |
| 12:43:52 | vosque | Probably when a job makes itself apparent. |
| 12:44:08 | scanline | hehe |
| 12:44:11 | RedBaron | hehe |
| 12:44:16 | RedBaron | Hmm...me too |
| 12:44:16 | Tangent | vosque : Heh.. I know the feeling |
| 12:44:44 | RedBaron | Okay...quick show of hands. Who here does not have a job? |
| 12:44:50 | RedBaron | raises his hand. |
| 12:44:53 | Tangent | raises hand |
| 12:45:03 | scanline | raises hand |
| 12:45:09 | Tangent | lifts spse's hand for him |
| 12:45:17 | vosque | raises his hand. |
| 12:45:20 | scanline | I don't suppose a college education counts? |
| 12:45:39 | Tangent | scanline : Do they pay you? |
| 12:45:41 | RedBaron | Hmmm...everyone who is alive now...at somewhat early hours of the day. *chuckle* |
| 12:45:50 | scanline | Tangent: I get a salary, but it's less than zero |
| 12:45:52 | Tangent | RedBaron : It's 2PM here |
| 12:45:56 | scanline | far less... |
| 12:46:11 | RedBaron | Tangent: Okay...sorry. Not including the british guy. :) |
| 12:46:15 | Tangent | RedBaron : But I've only been awake for an hour, so I don't feel bad about that :) |
| 12:46:30 | RedBaron | Tangent: *laugh* I see. |
| 12:47:42 | RedBaron | Hmmm...I suppose I should go clean up. I actualy have an interview. With a contracting company. Not a real job persay..but I suppose its a way to spend my time. |
| 12:47:54 | vosque | hahah |
| 12:48:02 | scanline | :) |
| 12:48:13 | RedBaron | The reason I say that is that I dont think there are enough contracts going around. .. :/ |
| 12:49:29 | Tangent | RedBaron : I've sent out around 100 CVs so far for contract work.. not had one interview yet |
| 12:50:37 | RedBaron | Tangent: *nod* I believe it. |
| 12:51:32 | vosque | I send out about three a day. |
| 12:52:07 | vosque | Unfortunately, the jobs available have gotten a lot pickier. |
| 12:52:17 | vosque | Like, the one job that was right in line with what I could do wanted 12 years of experience. |
| 12:52:29 | vosque | ...in an industry that didn't really exist 5 years ago, let alone 12. |
| 12:54:01 | Tangent | vosque : Obviously they're looking for candidates who lie on their CV |
| 12:54:10 | RedBaron | Oh yes. I love that. People wanting 50 years of java experience when java has only been around for a few years. |
| 12:56:07 | vosque | right. |
| 12:57:30 | RedBaron | Dontcha love HR people? |
| 12:57:51 | vosque | Yes. |
| 12:58:17 | vosque | Especially the ones who request my CV in word, even though they've already read it in HTML and could just as easily save it themselves. |
| 12:58:19 | vosque | I LOVE THAT. |
| 12:58:29 | RedBaron | chuckle |
| 13:08:18 | MicroChip32 | i put my resume/cv in flash format ;) |
| 13:09:50 | scanline | If you want a format no suit would hope to view, put it in a gzipped xbm file |
| 13:10:09 | MicroChip32 | *barf* |
| 13:10:17 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:10:51 | Tangent | Hey.. I wear a suit |
| 13:10:52 | MicroChip32 | how about an obfuscated perl script that generates a ps version ? |
| 13:11:06 | scanline | ooh, that's good too |
| 13:11:21 | scanline | it could even be obfuscated postscript... |
| 13:11:30 | MicroChip32 | send it to em in paper form of course |
| 13:11:53 | scanline | maybe the perl code generates a compressed copy of the text inside the postscript, that the postscript code then decompresses in the printer |
| 13:12:13 | scanline | maybe encryption... |
| 13:12:33 | MicroChip32 | obfuscated perl generating obfuscated ps containing compressed and encrypted text |
| 13:12:38 | scanline | yup |
| 13:12:39 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:12:45 | MicroChip32 | printed out |
| 13:12:46 | vosque | uuencoded. |
| 13:12:53 | scanline | haha |
| 13:12:55 | MicroChip32 | is rotfl |
| 13:13:00 | scanline | uuencoded, then put in hexadecimal |
| 13:13:17 | scanline | he'd have to hire a cryptographer just to figure out what format it's in! |
| 13:13:58 | vosque | "statistical analysis says that you shouldn't hire this guy" |
| 13:14:06 | scanline | haha |
| 13:14:30 | uChip | daggonit |
| 13:14:49 | uChip | sends his isp a frag grenade, not that they'd notice |
| 13:14:53 | scanline | Well, i'm gonna go grab some breakfast. bbiab |
| 13:15:03 | scanline | is away: food |
| 13:16:29 | vosque | is tuxphone sending asterisks over the network for caller id on purpose, or is that a bug. |
| 13:16:30 | vosque | ? |
| 13:16:52 | Niddix | Mental note.. when running a packet analyzer... its more efficient when your analyzer isn't on a switched port. |
| 13:17:16 | vosque | [x] True [ ] False |
| 13:18:32 | vosque | asu.edu? |
| 13:19:28 | vosque | neat. |
| 13:19:38 | vosque | is near there. |
| 13:20:30 | Niddix | Russ: I figured out what was wrong with the capture file I sent you.. |
| 13:21:12 | Niddix | Russ: My network is switched, I'm working on getting my sniffer on an unswitched hub with the server now. |
| 13:24:12 | RedBaron | Hrm |
| 13:24:14 | RedBaron | weird |
| 13:32:35 | scanline | is back (gone 00:17:31) |
| 13:33:18 | MacAtack | this isn't tux specific but related to linux... in text (console) mode how can i raise the resolution to like 800x600 or higher? (vga=ask doesn't change the acutal resolution i don't beleive) |
| 13:33:38 | Niddix | Russ|werk: This is interesting.. Now udhcpc is getting a lease from Netware's DHCP server. |
| 13:34:17 | RedBaron | MacAtack: vga=ask makes the kernel ask what resolution to put it at. You gotta have support for the vga text resolution compiled in. |
| 13:35:37 | MacAtack | ok i kinda thought i didn't have the right somthing compiled into the kernel.. thanks |
| 13:35:42 | MacAtack | root |
| 13:35:48 | MacAtack | oopps wrong tty :) |
| 13:35:49 | RedBaron | No prob |
| 13:36:07 | RedBaron | chuckle |
| 13:36:15 | Niddix | MacAtack: At least you didn't type su <password> |
| 13:36:39 | MacAtack | hehe yeah |
| 13:40:11 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:40:27 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:44:51 | MacAtack | RedBaron: tell me this many many reboots ago, when i was playing with my kernel, I had a Red hat Tux logo pop up but i don't know what I had done to get it (as that kernel didn't boot properly) any ideas ? |
| 13:46:00 | MacAtack | and from what i could tell that looked like a higher resolution (at least my monitor did its wakky clicking when it changes resolutions) |
| 13:46:21 | vosque | anyone here working on tuxphone? |
| 13:46:24 | RedBaron | MacAtack: This doesnt happen now? Was this logo up during the kernel boot? and not the graphical lilo boot menu? Also...I assume your recompiling your kernel and did you go with a stock kernel source or the redhat source rpm? |
| 13:47:16 | MacAtack | no... i'm using a stock 2.2.20 kernel but i was enabling things marked experemental (like framebuffer and other stuff) (cause i was bored) |
| 13:47:56 | Niddix | MacAttack: When you say RedHat tux logo.. do you mean the penguin in the upper lefthand corner? |
| 13:47:57 | MacAtack | and i didn't just enable one thing i fired up a bunch of stuff and ended up having to do a make mrproper and reconfigure (normally) to get my kernel to boot again |
| 13:48:14 | MacAtack | Niddix: yeah (it may not be rh specific) |
| 13:49:33 | RedBaron | MacAtack: okay. hmm..if I recall right, the 2.2 kernels didnt have a proper option for the boot logo. That was a manual patch to the kernel. though redhat could have had it be dependent on some config param that was not added to the menuconfig program. I dont realy know. redhat does weird things most of the time and I never bother to track down this like that boot logo. |
| 13:49:40 | MacAtack | vosque: i believe everyone here at least owns one (but currently I (we) aren't rapping tux specific, just linux specific) (i can't wait to hack my tux's) |
| 13:50:08 | vosque | I mean the tuxphone daemon in cvs. |
| 13:50:10 | RedBaron | is putting his tux back together right now |
| 13:50:11 | scanline | is away: lab |
| 13:50:15 | MacAtack | ok but when that logo shows up would that mean it did make it into a higher (than normal) resolution |
| 13:50:16 | MacAtack | ? |
| 13:51:00 | Niddix | MacAtack: I believe so. |
| 13:51:09 | RedBaron | Well...yeah. Assuming that boot logo is still compiled in. The standard 24x80 text mode can not do any graphics what so ever. |
| 13:51:22 | RedBaron | But...the vga option could be overriding the boot logo. |
| 13:51:51 | MacAtack | ok now i have to figure out what i enabled (in make menuconfig) to get the vga mode |
| 13:52:17 | Niddix | Ok.. this is just plain weird. Now udhcpc works all the time. |
| 13:52:33 | Niddix | Yesterday it refused to get a lease. |
| 13:52:42 | RedBaron | Arg. |
| 13:53:18 | vosque | The daemon works well, but it wasn't sending the callerid name over the network port. Looking at the source, it seemed they forgot to do that intentionally. I broke it until it did send it, and I was wondering if there was a gotcha I should be expecting. |
| 13:53:49 | Niddix | vosque: I think it was just not finished to that point. |
| 13:53:51 | MacAtack | ok back on topic... has anyone played with ornioco wireless pc cards in the tux's yet? |
| 13:54:33 | vosque | MacAtack: I'm pretty sure they require a reset to get going. |
| 13:55:04 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:55:06 | Niddix | vosque: I was watching when they cracked the DSP and I think it was just sort of left as is once the fever died down. |
| 13:56:00 | vosque | Considering what they got done.. |
| 13:56:08 | vosque | I don't mind. |
| 13:56:26 | vosque | I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to wake up to a burning tuxscreen when I got up this afternoon. |
| 13:56:31 | vosque | :) |
| 13:56:39 | Niddix | vosque: They started working on the SODIMM issue and the serial flash.. more fun I guess. |
| 13:56:55 | vosque | righton |
| 14:06:07 | RedBaron | In case anyone might be interested, I just realized that its possible to flip the screen on the tux around 180 degrees. Not realy sure why anyone would want to do that, but hey..it looks like its possible. :) |
| 14:15:16 | collord | i can't believe it's been 12 days now my inferno remote command has been waiting for me to find a null modem cable |
| 14:16:11 | collord | what a loser |
| 14:17:25 | Niddix | Any network/switching guru's about? |
| 14:17:51 | Tangent | Niddix : I might do |
| 14:18:39 | Tangent | Niddix : What's the problem? |
| 14:18:42 | Niddix | Tangent: I'm trying to figure out why udhcpc won't get a lease from my Netware DHCP server. |
| 14:18:55 | Niddix | Tangent: Now I realize that sounds unrelated. |
| 14:18:59 | Tangent | Niddix : You have tcpdump etc? |
| 14:19:02 | Niddix | Tangent: However... |
| 14:19:24 | Niddix | Tangent: My tux is plugged into a 10/100 switch. Which is plugged into antoher 10/100 switch. |
| 14:19:41 | Niddix | Tangent: If the server is plugged into the 2nd Switch it won't respond. |
| 14:20:04 | Niddix | Tangent: However, if I plug a 10 mbit hub into the 2nd switch and move the server to that... it works. |
| 14:20:41 | Tangent | Niddix : Very strange.. DHCP requests should pass between the switches without a problem |
| 14:21:11 | Niddix | Tangent: I would imagine they would.. Windows has no problem with it. |
| 14:21:24 | Niddix | Tangent: neither does pump (my RH box uses pump) |
| 14:22:02 | Niddix | Tangent: I can't for the life of me figure out why moving the server to a hub plugged into the switch (that doesn't work if the server is plugged into it) would work. |
| 14:22:40 | Niddix | Tangent: So in theory the switch is passing the bootp request through. |
| 14:23:25 | Niddix | Tangent: I've tried multiple ports on the 2nd switch as well. |
| 14:23:39 | Niddix | Tangent: Perhaps the speed is the issue? |
| 14:25:27 | Tangent | Niddix : DHCP requests should be sent out to MAC address FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF, which should pass across all the switches without a problem... Can you confirm that this is what udhcpd is doing? |
| 14:26:08 | Niddix | Tangent: Yeah |
| 14:26:58 | RedBaron | Niddix: I have a similiar problem with pump and the dhcp server that my cable modem uses. |
| 14:27:05 | Niddix | Tangent: I've got a good capture of a succesfull DHCP request and lease. |
| 14:27:27 | Niddix | Tangent: I guess I need to move the tux to the hub so I can see that end of the conversation. |
| 14:27:31 | MicroChip32 | hey CosmicPenguin guess what |
| 14:28:06 | Niddix | Tangent: I have a hunch that it will work with a hub on the tux end too. |
| 14:28:22 | Niddix | Tangent: CosmicPenguin will blame it on my NIC :0 |
| 14:28:40 | Niddix | Tangent: He was giving me a hard time about getting the Netgear 411 |
| 14:29:03 | RedBaron | Niddix: Using a newish version of pump on a redhat box. The cable modem is wired to have flip the two pairs of wires to make it a crossover cable. internaly to the modem. So that you can use a regular ether cable and plug it directly into a NIC. If I do that and use pump in linux, it doesnt work. The cable modem gets the dhcp packets and looks like its forwarding them on to the cable network, but pump never gets anything back. I have to pu |
| 14:29:25 | Tangent | Niddix : Is there supposed to be something wrong with the Netgear411? I'd heard that they were a.) cheap, and b.) worked |
| 14:29:27 | RedBaron | Niddix: And I have no idea why that would matter...but it does. |
| 14:29:42 | Niddix | Tangent: He claims the driver is flakey. |
| 14:29:50 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Whats that? |
| 14:29:50 | Niddix | RedBaron: Your message got cut off. |
| 14:30:19 | RedBaron | Niddix: sorry about that. resaying it. |
| 14:30:21 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: I wouldn't blame it on your NIC... Especially if pump and windoze works..... |
| 14:30:46 | RedBaron | Niddix: If I do that and use pump in linux, it doesnt work. The cable modem gets the dhcp packets and looks like its forwarding them on to the cable network, but pump never gets anything back. I have to put a hub (10bt) between the modem and the NIC for it to work. |
| 14:30:54 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: it werks, or at least init, cleanup, and probe work .. printk("Hey i just got called"); |
| 14:31:13 | RedBaron | Niddix: also...windows works fine with the cable modem plugged directly into the NIC. |
| 14:31:13 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Awesome.... |
| 14:31:20 | Niddix | RedBaron: Sounds like a similar problem. |
| 14:31:30 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: next step is getting it registered, aka claming the device |
| 14:31:39 | Niddix | RedBaron: I wonder if the response is getting back to quickly or something. |
| 14:32:01 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: TIs easy... do you know the manufacuter and device IDs? |
| 14:32:10 | Niddix | searches around for a 100mb hub. |
| 14:32:21 | RedBaron | Niddix: I dont know...but I have two different cards (a dec tulip and a 3c509) in that linux machine. I tried both cards to see if it was a driver difference. nothing changed. |
| 14:32:40 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: yep, in fact i have probe printing them out from dev->descriptor.idVendor, idProduct |
| 14:32:53 | Niddix | RedBaron: Which version of pump are you using? |
| 14:33:01 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Cool.... you're almost there.... |
| 14:33:15 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: yep, and i have the code i need in front of me, i think |
| 14:33:59 | RedBaron | Niddix: mm... let me check |
| 14:34:25 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: I am very impressed with the USB support in Linux - It takes something that is very complicated and makes it very easy to use..... |
| 14:35:40 | RedBaron | Niddix: Weird. There is no version command line arg. and it doesnt print its version to the log files. |
| 14:36:00 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: im dealing with 2.2.19 tho, the original. most of the info i find is for 2.4 =( |
| 14:36:18 | RedBaron | Niddix: I dont recall if I compiled/installed a new pump or went with the redhat 6.2 default. |
| 14:36:47 | Niddix | RedBaron: That may be it then.. I've got a RH 7.1 box with pump 0.8 on it. |
| 14:36:57 | Niddix | RedBaron: That box works like a champ. |
| 14:37:04 | Niddix | RedBaron: pump does anyway.. |
| 14:37:08 | RedBaron | Niddix: *nod* |
| 14:37:51 | Niddix | RedBaron: Its begining to sound like a speed issue. |
| 14:38:00 | RedBaron | Niddix: Why do you think that? |
| 14:38:45 | Niddix | RedBaron: What speed is the port on your Cable Modem? |
| 14:39:02 | RedBaron | Niddix: because of the delay of having another hub in there? |
| 14:39:44 | RedBaron | Niddix: Its only a 10bt. it wont negotiate up to 100bt on a 100bt hub. but it works fine through a 100bt hub and a 10bt hub. |
| 14:42:56 | Niddix | RedBaron: Hrmm.. I have no idea then. What I was thinking is that the 10bt hub on my side was slowing things down. |
| 14:43:08 | Niddix | RedBaron: But I guess that doesn't make any sense. |
| 14:50:24 | RedBaron | Niddix: The only thing I can think of in my case (which doesnt seem to apply to your case because you have a switch and a hub in there) is that the cable mdeom NIC and the computer NIC have some hardware level interface problems that the linux driver cant resolve. But that putting in a hub isolates or fixes the problem. |
| 14:51:04 | Niddix | RedBaron: Could be. |
| 14:51:14 | RedBaron | Niddix: like the linux driver is to push the card to fast..and the winblows driver taking its sweet old time with massive delays and timeouts. which in general is very typical of both OS's. |
| 14:53:01 | Niddix | RedBaron: If you hardcoded the IP and plugged directly into your cablemodem did linux work? |
| 15:01:14 | Niddix | RedBaron: If I pu the DHCP server on a 100bt hub.. it still doesn't work. |
| 15:02:09 | RedBaron | Niddix: I dont think I can do that. AT&T's dhcp server sometimes gives me wildly different IP's. Like every number in the quad different. Also...I have the impression that you have to go through their dhcp server to get a lease before they'll start routing your packets. Either at the cable modem itself or farther upstream. |
| 15:04:15 | Niddix | RedBaron: I see.. Is your linux box getting its lease from the Cablemodem or somewhere upstream? |
| 15:05:56 | RedBaron | Niddix: I believe its getting it from a DHCP server upstream. and not the cable modem itself. Because sometimes there is problems where I just cant talk to the dhcp server at all. For an hour or two or more. And it talks to the cable modem fine. The cable modem is forwarding packets along. Its traffic light blinks some. |
| 15:07:17 | RedBaron | Niddix: its actualy a very fragile setup. if I accidently unplug my cable modem once or twice in a row, the DHCP server stops recognizing me. And I have to unplug my modem for an hour so. Let something time out and reset. which is damn annoying. |
| 15:07:39 | Niddix | RedBaron: Take a look at http://azstartnet.com/service/linux/redhat-fix/ |
| 15:08:14 | Niddix | RedBaron: In my searches I've read about numerous problems with DSL/Cable and pump. |
| 15:09:10 | RedBaron | Niddix: Cant resolve azstartnet.com |
| 15:09:30 | Niddix | Eep.. |
| 15:09:31 | Niddix | starnet.. |
| 15:09:35 | Niddix | not startnet |
| 15:09:51 | RedBaron | okie |
| 15:10:37 | Niddix | Lovely.. my WAN's DNS servers are dorked again. |
| 15:15:30 | RedBaron | Fun |
| 15:15:58 | Niddix | RedBaron: Yeah the person who manages them has no clue. |
| 15:16:23 | Niddix | RedBaron: Hell I have no clue, but at least I'm not in charge of the DNS for our WAN. |
| 15:17:55 | RedBaron | *chuckle* |
| 15:20:12 | Niddix | Cannot resolve tuxscreen.net *cry* |
| 15:20:49 | RedBaron | Uh oh. Thats pretty bad |
| 15:23:29 | Niddix | RedBaron: Interesting.. I can get google.com |
| 15:24:54 | Niddix | bbiaf |
| 15:56:48 | scanline | is back (gone 02:06:37) |
| 17:23:18 | Tangent | starts making another shanip232.. Time to get the 2nd Tux running linux |
| 17:28:59 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: you about? |
| 17:29:48 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: how 'bout you? |
| 17:29:55 | ctr | hey russ |
| 17:30:54 | Russ | hey ctr |
| 17:33:37 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I be here... |
| 17:33:42 | Tangent | is AFK... drilling little holes in a PCB |
| 17:34:26 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I thought the Agenda had a CIR that could do IrDA??? |
| 17:35:17 | Russ | anything with IrDA can read CIR signals with a few tricks |
| 17:35:40 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: did you check out 2.4.13-ac8-rmk1-tux1 yet? |
| 17:36:01 | Russ | let me know what you think of the /dev/fb backlight interface and any changes you might want |
| 17:36:24 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Ok, I'll do that this weekend.... I'm really worried about the TS interface.... |
| 17:37:15 | Russ | yah, I think you and GoRK need to get your heads together on the TS |
| 17:44:41 | dirkx | FWIIW: DNS delegation for tuxscreen.net seems to be off. |
| 18:25:39 | GoRK | i plan on having a driver for picogui by this weekend |
| 18:25:49 | GoRK | im going to use the code from the old kernel to handle calibration |
| 18:27:09 | Russ | wtf, my patch I emailed disapeared |
| 18:27:28 | dirkx | GoRK: to get wheaties to work - do I need to add something to the .config file manually ? |
| 18:30:00 | Russ | I noticed you probably need to enable the amtel flash |
| 18:30:07 | Russ | should be fixed in the next release |
| 18:48:32 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: E-mail that to me when you get it done, will you? No need to duplicate effort if we can avoid it... |
| 18:49:31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Send out a e-mail a few days before the new kernel becomes the default for the buildroot, will you? |
| 18:51:44 | Russ | I don't control that |
| 18:51:45 | Russ | andersee does |
| 18:51:45 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Hehehe... he sez you are the kernel boss... :) |
| 18:51:45 | Russ | its ready, but you probably want to prepare userspace first |
| 18:51:45 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Definately.... Should be a few days, less if GoRK can share with me.... |
| 18:51:58 | Russ | again, I'd like input on the way the backlight interfaces with userspace |
| 18:54:10 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Of course... |
| 18:59:17 | Russ | of all the sa1100 backlight code got tossed when the np patches were dropped |
| 18:59:52 | Russ | it'd be nice if I could make an interface that would make it easy to put all that stuff back in cleanly |
| 19:00:40 | prpplague | you guys make me sick, how do find time to make $$, and hack on things like the tux?? |
| 19:10:29 | Niddix | Offtopic from tux but still relevant to linux.. Which filesystem is the best? |
| 19:11:15 | Niddix | I just had my / partition die a horrible death for the 5th time this year. I have backups of critical files but if I'm gonna re-install which filesystem should I use? |
| 19:12:49 | Tangent | Niddix : ext3 |
| 19:13:11 | Tangent | Niddix : Either that or reiser, but a lot of people bitch about reiser.. Never had any problems with it myself |
| 19:14:22 | Niddix | Whats the difference between ext2 and ext3 |
| 19:15:37 | Russ | ext3 has journalling |
| 19:15:49 | Russ | but you can switch between them by just mounting if differently |
| 19:16:06 | Russ | so if you install as ext2, its easy to use it as ext3 instead (or vice versa) |
| 19:16:13 | Niddix | Nod.. the journalling allows better fault tolerance yes? |
| 19:16:31 | Russ | yes, and no fsck on boot if power was lost |
| 19:16:48 | Russ | Niddix: so what was with the switch/hub thing? |
| 19:16:48 | Niddix | I'm not sure what my problem is.. but every time its crashed it has been when the maxial count has been reached and it just won't fsck clean. |
| 19:17:33 | Niddix | Russ: Its very odd. If I plug a 10bt hub into the port the server was in on the switch and plug the server into the hub.. I get a lease no problem. |
| 19:18:17 | Niddix | Russ: If I use a 100bt hub.. no dice. |
| 19:18:55 | Niddix | Russ: pump works in all cases. |
| 19:19:39 | Russ | can you capture packets on the novell machine? |
| 19:20:43 | Niddix | Russ: Not sure how to go about that. |
| 19:21:07 | Niddix | Russ: I'll see if I can find out how. |
| 19:21:26 | Niddix | Russ: Oh wait.. Its failing on the 100bt hub too. |
| 19:23:10 | Niddix | Russ: So I can just sniff on the hub and catch the packets. |
| 19:24:56 | Russ | cool |
| 19:25:03 | Russ | can you save in ethereal format, instead of print? |
| 19:25:15 | Niddix | Russ: Sure.. I couldn't find a save option. |
| 19:25:28 | Russ | its under file |
| 19:26:43 | Niddix | Russ: Now its working partially.. It took 10 trys before it got the lease. |
| 19:28:24 | Niddix | Russ: Didn't have ethereal running.. lets see if it will do it again.. |
| 19:28:34 | Niddix | Russ: The server is making offers.. |
| 19:28:56 | Niddix | Russ: But ethereal is saying its a malformed packet |
| 19:28:57 | Russ | class though |
| 19:29:01 | Russ | eww |
| 19:29:03 | Russ | thats not good |
| 19:29:15 | Russ | maybe its choking on packets that aren't padded |
| 19:29:44 | Russ | I can try giving you a patch that pads the packets out, but pass me the output, should be interesting |
| 19:31:15 | Niddix | Russ: Ok udhcp isn't getting a lease now.. I was hoping to trap one. I did however trap a few from pump. |
| 19:34:05 | Niddix | Russ: Want me to email or dcc? |
| 20:16:13 | MacAtack | here's a good one for linux gods... how do i delete a file named -q0 ? rm -f "-q0" doesn't work or rm -f '-q0' doesn't work either |
| 20:16:35 | cworth | MacAtack: "rm -- -q0" ? |
| 20:17:03 | RedBaron | rm -- -q0 |
| 20:17:30 | RedBaron | Most GNU commands will take -- to denote the end of all actual command line flags. |
| 20:18:16 | MacAtack | RedBaron: you rule!! it worked |
| 20:19:19 | RedBaron | MacAtack: *chuckle* Dont forget cworth. He beat me too it anyways. |
| 20:19:36 | MacAtack | cworth: didn't see that.. you rule too |
| 20:21:46 | cworth | MacAtack: no worries. I don't worry myself over praise. :) |
| 20:22:43 | MacAtack | hehe |
| 20:23:54 | MacAtack | i'm trying to demonize a process that wasn't wrote to be a demon and i'm using the command nohup and fuqd up and it thought the switch -q0 was the output filename and wrote that as a file... |
| 20:40:03 | kernelwork | I can't believe how unstable my system is. I only had a month and a half of uninterrupted uptime :) |
| 20:44:12 | BZFlag | a tux? |
| 20:47:28 | kernelwork | No, my workstation |
| 20:48:03 | kernelwork | Did you know apt is internationalized to german? |
| 20:50:53 | prpplague | kernelwork: i just lost my rhat5.2 box with an uptime over 2 years |
| 20:52:02 | pattieja | prpplague: doh! |
| 20:52:11 | pattieja | I remember 5.2 |
| 20:55:35 | signal11 | that sucks! |
| 20:55:54 | signal11 | i had a rh 4.2 machine last for almost 400 days until someone accidentally hit the power button |
| 20:56:22 | signal11 | it survived an office move; i moved it with the UPS it was on |
| 20:56:34 | Russ | kernelwork: just a month? |
| 20:56:38 | Russ | 15:00:31 up 65 days, 12:01, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.03, 0.01 |
| 20:56:44 | Russ | 14:52:18 up 82 days, 4:07, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 20:57:40 | prpplague | signal11: lol, shipped you box via ups ( well sorta!) |
| 20:57:53 | Niddix | I've got a Netware 5.1 server thats been up for 265 days. |
| 21:01:03 | prpplague | Niddix: oh ya, i've got a winblows 95a box i've not had to reboot in 3 days! |
| 21:01:21 | signal11 | uptime wars! |
| 21:01:34 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:01:46 | signal11 | the best I can do is our music on hold box: root@music:~>w |
| 21:01:48 | signal11 | 3:04pm up 294 days, 23:32, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.20, 0.17 |
| 21:03:45 | kernelwork | wonders why noone has an uptime of 2 years with RedHat 7.2 :) |
| 21:04:32 | signal11 | or win xp |
| 21:04:49 | kernelwork | Well, that's just not a fair comparison |
| 21:05:23 | kernelwork | You can keep windows running indefinitely, all you have to do is put it to sleep and never ask it to come back. |
| 21:08:05 | kernelwork | shaun@caesar:~$ uptime |
| 21:08:05 | kernelwork | 15:07:42 up 31 min, 9 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.02 |
| 21:08:27 | kernelwork | shaun@dalaena:~$ uptime |
| 21:08:27 | kernelwork | 15:13:45 up 32 days, 2:37, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 21:08:35 | kernelwork | I do better at home than at work |
| 21:09:28 | Russ | I've only had these boxen here for the semester |
| 21:09:53 | Russ | my one at work was longer, but we a had a circuit trip |
| 21:09:57 | Russ | its on a UPS now theugh |
| 21:10:21 | kernelwork | maint@pacchetto:~$ uptime |
| 21:10:21 | kernelwork | 9:17am up 84 days, 20:37, 2 users, load average: 0.53, 0.11, 0.04 |
| 21:10:26 | kernelwork | That's my best machine |
| 21:10:33 | kernelwork | 486 nameserver |
| 21:11:32 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone wanna compete for lowest uptime??? |
| 21:11:38 | Russ | Niddix: novell seems to be definately doing something wrong... |
| 21:11:56 | Russ | how about most uptime on 2.4.13-ac8-rmk1-tux1? |
| 21:12:00 | kernelwork | Your devices don't count :) |
| 21:13:17 | Russ | I think its forgetting to memset(buff, 0, packetsize) |
| 21:13:32 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:13:34 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 21:13:36 | Russ | so I need to send it a padded packet |
| 21:13:45 | kernelwork | Wow, that was quick |
| 21:13:54 | Russ | or maybe I just need to accept its malformed packets |
| 21:13:57 | scanline | I typed /back thinking i was away and i guess i wasn't... |
| 21:14:33 | Russ | on the packets it sends me, it always has garbage after the end option |
| 21:22:05 | prpplague | 4:14pm up 62 days, 8:31, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 21:22:05 | prpplague | |
| 21:22:33 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 21:23:24 | Russ | Niddix: can you compile the client with debugging (in the Makefile)? |
| 21:28:13 | Russ | hmm...its sending it to a specific IP, don't think thats the right behavior, lemme see.... |
| 21:28:53 | Russ | think that should still work though |
| 21:31:31 | Russ | yah, the output in debugging mode would be helpfull |
| 21:31:44 | Russ | and what state the interface is in |
| 21:38:57 | MacAtack | prpplague: is that ur tux? |
| 21:53:21 | prpplague | MacAtack: what's that your asking? |
| 21:59:59 | BZFlag | GoRK: you around? |
| 22:00:18 | BZFlag | you added the nameserver with the wrong name. argh... delete it please? |
| 22:00:59 | | bzflag: no idea |
| 22:00:59 | BZFlag | ibot whois ns1.rikers.org.LETSTALKBUSINESSES.COM |
| 22:15:49 | kernelwork | jwalden: hey, how goes it? |
| 22:15:58 | kernelwork | I didn't see you in here before... |
| 23:27:03 | Niddix | Russ: Sorry I'm back now.. I don't have the cross compiler functioning quite yet. |
