| 00:02:22 | GoRK | yep |
| 00:07:20 | scanline | Ah! Fixed that cli_c race condition... |
| 00:07:30 | GoRK | ooh the locking up dialog boxes? |
| 00:07:44 | scanline | no... but this means that the dialog box problem is now #1 on my todo list |
| 00:07:50 | GoRK | haha |
| 00:07:53 | scanline | this is the one Frederic and Olivier were complaining about |
| 00:08:36 | scanline | well, I best be off to a circuits test now... |
| 00:08:38 | GoRK | good deal. i added an fd check to ttykb.c but havent been able to test it, does it work or do you know? |
| 00:08:43 | GoRK | have fun |
| 00:08:47 | scanline | haven't tested it yet |
| 00:08:48 | scanline | bbl |
| 00:08:58 | scanline | is away: circuits test & lab |
| 00:21:19 | jwalden | Hello - Just got my tuxscreen up and running - anyone have any specs on the Lucent DSP? |
| 00:23:51 | GoRK | jwalden: dsp support is done. kernel modules are in cvs under the tag 'kernel' |
| 00:23:59 | GoRK | a phone app is in 'tuxphone' in cvs also |
| 00:24:09 | jwalden | Cool! Thanks! |
| 00:24:23 | GoRK | cosmic.censoft.com/dspspec.html for the spec sheet |
| 00:24:37 | SpaceCoaster | Hi jwalden, http://cosmic.censoft.com/dspspec.html is a doc describing the commands and http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//UndocumentedDSPFunctions describes some stuff that scanline discovered and http://tuxscreen.net/download/dsp1650.pdf describes the hardware. |
| 00:25:00 | SpaceCoaster | and Gork answered the question already, drat. |
| 00:25:12 | jwalden | Also - another issue - I can get the picogui working great - however the uwin distro hangs during calibration |
| 00:26:44 | GoRK | you need to run fbtuxcal seperately now to calibrate anything, x, picogui, nano-x, whatever |
| 00:27:06 | GoRK | dont use the nano-x calibrator anymore. it has had issues |
| 00:27:12 | GoRK | fbtuxcal is also in tuxscreen cvs |
| 00:27:23 | GoRK | mainly due to the fact that two apps have the -ts device open |
| 00:27:58 | jwalden | Thanks! Looks like I should peruse the tuxscreen CVS tree before I ask anymore questions. |
| 00:28:15 | GoRK | heh we just told you everything thaat's in it except for buildroot-tux :) |
| 00:28:36 | GoRK | if you used the picogui distribution, it's the only relased one with support for touchscreens on all devices |
| 00:28:44 | jwalden | Oh - I alredy know about buildroot tux! |
| 00:28:57 | SpaceCoaster | jwalden: do keyword searches on the Wiki, lots of information awkwardly structured |
| 00:29:22 | GoRK | the microwindows one doesnt have a small patch that looks like it is necessary to let you use your touchscreen... we really need to get new images out of everything |
| 00:30:19 | GoRK | i gotta go pick up some food... bbiab |
| 00:30:28 | jwalden | Okay - here is an idea - maybe not tuxscreen related, however I'd like a nice VOIP app for my ipaq, and I was wondering how hard it would be to squish the Lucent DSP into a PCMCIA card?? |
| 00:39:52 | Sammy | Morning all :) |
| 00:41:18 | GoRK | is away: (automatically dead ) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 00:41:18 | GoRK | is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/on)] |
| 00:44:02 | jwalden | Hello Sammy - I'm new to the group - please pardon my naivte - would you mind chatting? |
| 00:59:01 | Tangent | jwalden : Probably woulnd't be too hard to get the DSP in a pcmcia card, but you'd need the right stuff to make prototype cards with |
| 00:59:17 | Tangent | jwalden : I believe you can get snap together pcmcia cases for exactly that purpoer |
| 00:59:40 | Tangent | jwalden : But you'd still need to be able to make surface mount boards |
| 01:00:31 | bhima | any idea where you can get snap-together PCMCIA housings? |
| 01:00:32 | jwalden | Yup - I have seen a few PCMCIA development kits - one goal would be to get on, and populate it with the right parts, just wondering if there was a PCMCIA base "soundcard" out there already? |
| 01:01:14 | bhima | I've seen some very good PCMCIA sound cards, but haven't noted a DSP one yet. |
| 01:01:41 | Tangent | jwalden : I wouldn't be surprised to see DSP PCMCIA cards as dev kits.. I'm sure I've seen something like that before |
| 01:01:46 | bhima | according to people who have used them for speech recognition, you can't really get even acceptable quality ones for a reasonable price. |
| 01:02:45 | jwalden | did a google search for PCMCIA Extender Card and got quite a few hits. |
| 01:02:51 | Tangent | http://www-s.ti.com/sc/psheets/spra052/spra052.pdf |
| 01:03:05 | Tangent | Seems that texas instruments make a DSP card (or did at some point) |
| 01:05:30 | jwalden | Very cool Tanget - Thanks! |
| 01:06:13 | Tangent | jwalden : I'm finding references to another one made by Hyperception, but all I can find is a mailback form for more info |
| 01:06:37 | Tangent | jwalden : http://www.hyperception.com/j98htm/hhti0832.htm |
| 01:07:21 | Tangent | jwalden : Or better still the PDF of the same thing.. http://www.hyperception.com/j98pdf/hhti0832.pdf |
| 01:29:44 | jwalden | Tangent: Would you mind providing me with some feedback on how to become involved in various projects? For instance is there a "main person" who is sort of lead for a specific functional area? |
| 01:29:45 | jacques | hi guys :-D |
| 01:30:05 | Tangent | jwalden : There's people who are good at certain things.. |
| 01:30:11 | jacques | BZFlag: you about? |
| 01:30:23 | Tangent | jwalden : GPSFan has been working on a schematic of the Tux which is very nearly complete. |
| 01:30:52 | Tangent | jwalden : Myself and a couple of other have been taking GPSFan's work, and knocking up little expansion boards for the Tux |
| 01:30:59 | Tangent | jwalden : Russ is kernel supremo |
| 01:31:26 | Tangent | jwalden : and Gork and SpaceCoaster are rulers of the DSP stuff right now (The TuxPhone software) |
| 01:31:44 | Tangent | jwalden : What are you good at doing? find something fun and make it better :) |
| 01:32:40 | jwalden | Tangent: okay - I'll do that - I sort of put my background on tuxscreen.net so folks could see what I have been up to in the past |
| 01:33:08 | Tangent | jwalden : Probably a good idea.. tell us what you're interested in doing, and we'll give you some pointers to what's already there |
| 01:33:56 | jwalden | Well... GPS / Telemetry stuff, and VOIP - alsp know a bit about database technology |
| 01:35:09 | Tangent | jwalden : Sounds like you should speak to GoRK and SpaceCoaster.. There's still more to do with the DSP.. the modem stuff isn't working yet |
| 01:35:31 | Tangent | jwalden : The specs for the UCB1200 are up somewhere on tuxscreen.net |
| 01:36:25 | jwalden | Tangent: Sounds good - my day job is building a linux based "embedded" system for a real-time conferencing system - so I sort of fit into the telephony world - |
| 01:37:00 | Tangent | jwalden : You should probably start by getting your Tux up and running, and getting the buildroot stuff set up |
| 01:37:12 | Tangent | jwalden : or have you already done that |
| 01:37:15 | Tangent | spse : Evening |
| 01:37:27 | spse | Tangent: watcha, I got tri-head working ;) |
| 01:37:31 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 10 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: heh, could be! that's 800 pounds of phones! [Mon Nov 12 22:27:17 2001] |
| 01:37:31 | jacques | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 01:37:33 | Tangent | spse : Wicked ;) |
| 01:37:54 | jacques | tri-head? |
| 01:38:00 | spse | had to move the card to a different PCI slot |
| 01:38:01 | Tangent | spse : Which cards is that with? G400+NVidia ? |
| 01:38:04 | jwalden | Tanget: I've alreay got it up and running with pico-gui, and over the last hour micro-windows |
| 01:38:22 | spse | jacques: dual head + second card to give three monitors ;) |
| 01:38:29 | Tangent | jwalden : I'm running X on mine. I have a microdrive and NIC plugged in |
| 01:39:20 | jacques | spse: cool, but can you do 3d hardware accel on all three displays? :-) |
| 01:39:26 | spse | no, G450+ Millenium |
| 01:39:41 | spse | could get sync on green run on the G450 head tho |
| 01:39:47 | spse | could not i mean |
| 01:40:12 | jwalden | Tangent: - is the uDrive one of the "little" add-ons you cooked up? Do the latest kernel have support for the Orinco WLAN? |
| 01:40:14 | spse | however second head on g450 only gives max dot clock of 135Mhz whereas millenium gives max of 200MHz |
| 01:40:42 | jacques | spse: yeah that's my problem with current dual head cards - the second head is always second class |
| 01:40:46 | spse | jacues: I dont think I get 3d accel on any display ;) |
| 01:41:22 | spse | I think G450 is okay up 2x 1280x1024 (as Tangent runs it) but above that it turns off hware accel in 2nd head |
| 01:41:40 | BZFlag | is here now. |
| 01:42:07 | Tangent | jwalden : udrive = IBM Microdrive CF Hard Disk |
| 01:42:38 | jwalden | Tangent: Oh - same as the one on the iPAQ |
| 01:42:58 | Tangent | jwalden : Yep.. with all the files that were on my iPAQ still on there ;) |
| 01:43:15 | BZFlag | andersee: get my cisco work around mesg? |
| 01:43:38 | jwalden | BZFlag: yes sell! |
| 01:44:13 | BZFlag | jwalden: sell? |
| 01:44:57 | jwalden | BZFlag : Sorry - I meant the best Cisco work-around is to sell (as in stock) ;-) |
| 01:45:09 | BZFlag | jwalden: ahh! true true. |
| 01:45:09 | SpaceCoaster | night all |
| 01:46:08 | jwalden | BZFlag: I am told you are good giving out assigments - I've been mulling around here after getting my tuxscreen up and running waiting to dig in. |
| 01:46:42 | BZFlag | jwalden: it's mostly just pickup what ever interests you. |
| 01:46:50 | BZFlag | there are lots of projects to be done. |
| 01:46:53 | GoRK | BZFlag: does rmk have a tux? :) |
| 01:47:02 | andersee | BZFlag: yup. Wanna test? |
| 01:47:07 | BZFlag | GoRK: yes, but afaik he has not even plugged it in. |
| 01:47:30 | jwalden | BZFlag: so I've discovered - testing is always a great place to start. |
| 01:47:32 | BZFlag | andersee: not forwarding at present? I get no lookups at codepoet.org |
| 01:48:17 | BZFlag | jwalden: agreed. GoRK and company have the prototype shanip boards to test. |
| 01:48:27 | BZFlag | someone should try to get flite running ;-) |
| 01:48:31 | GoRK | almost. .. my press n peel arent here yet :) |
| 01:48:34 | | flite is http://www.cmuflite.org/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/flite or lightweight speech synthesis that works on the ipaq |
| 01:48:34 | BZFlag | ibot: flite |
| 01:48:54 | andersee | BZFlag: I have a flile binary for ARM on my netwinder... |
| 01:49:01 | Tangent | BZFlag : According to rnk |
| 01:49:06 | GoRK | but it's at www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork7.gif ... mouser part numbers to follow after i make sure that they fit :) as well as pdf's for printing and maybe we're ordering boards |
| 01:49:12 | Tangent | BZFlag : According to rmk's diary, he plugged it in on thursday :) |
| 01:49:14 | BZFlag | andersee: needs to be uClibc compiled though ;-) |
| 01:49:33 | andersee | Yeah, true. i should try that.... |
| 01:49:37 | BZFlag | Tangent: sweet! I'll read it and see what he's up to. |
| 01:49:37 | GoRK | brb |
| 01:49:42 | scanline | is back (gone 01:40:44) |
| 01:49:49 | BZFlag | timr@winder:~$ host rikers.org codepoet.org |
| 01:49:49 | BZFlag | Nameserver codepoet.org not running |
| 01:49:55 | jwalden | BZFlag: Okay - so what is a shanip board, and how do I start? My main area of expertise these days is in telephony. |
| 01:50:28 | BZFlag | jwalden: first get linux installed then try the latest weaties patches and the tuxphone binary. |
| 01:51:03 | BZFlag | then try the shanip hardware mods if you're interested or perhaps just the 5v pcmcia mods if you only have 5v ehternet cards. |
| 01:51:13 | jwalden | BZFlag - Linux installed as of yesterday, as well as tuxphone |
| 01:51:25 | BZFlag | sweet! |
| 01:51:38 | BZFlag | have you done telephony apps on arm before? |
| 01:52:03 | BZFlag | might be nice to nfs pivot_root and try with normal glibc stuff first. |
| 01:52:17 | jwalden | BZFlag - nope - I started out wanting to build one for the IPAQ, and now I want to build one for the tuxscreen |
| 01:52:34 | BZFlag | cool. got ethernet working yet? |
| 01:52:40 | andersee | BZFlag: Hmm. <ponders> I think my firewall needs some adjustment port 54.... |
| 01:52:45 | jwalden | BZFlag - WLAN |
| 01:52:52 | BZFlag | andersee: ah! that could be it. |
| 01:53:38 | BZFlag | jwalden: wireless? on the tux? cool! |
| 01:54:12 | BZFlag | jwalden: then start by writing up how you got there on a wiki page. ;-) |
| 01:55:14 | jwalden | BZFlag - yup - first got it going on the iPAQ with a little help from some friends, now I want to do a wireless VOIP app for the tuxscreen, and then I'd like to get a DSP PCMCIA card for the iPAQ and have a nice VOIP solution for the iPAQ (dreaming?) |
| 01:56:52 | jwalden | BZFlag - okay - got you |
| 02:17:46 | jacques | hi BZFlag |
| 02:18:30 | BZFlag | jacques: hey |
| 02:18:41 | jacques | BZFlag: did you get my order? |
| 02:18:58 | BZFlag | have not checked lately... will be soon. one sec I'll check now... |
| 02:19:17 | jacques | BZFlag: I sent it in this morning |
| 02:19:30 | jacques | BZFlag: from dwayne fontenot on paypal |
| 02:20:32 | BZFlag | 25.65 was for 34'2" ? |
| 02:20:35 | scanline | is away: lab... |
| 02:20:47 | jacques | BZFlag: I am very close - in sunnyvale |
| 02:21:02 | BZFlag | oh, yep it says that in the comments. cool. |
| 02:21:10 | BZFlag | they will go out tomorrow morning. |
| 02:21:14 | jacques | BZFlag: :-D |
| 02:22:05 | jacques | whoo-hoo!! |
| 02:23:09 | BZFlag | looks like there are 21 headed out in the morning. that leave somewhere around 710 left. |
| 02:24:16 | jacques | BZFlag: slowly but surely |
| 02:24:38 | BZFlag | hehe, yep. I do have a possible order for 100 in the works. |
| 02:24:55 | BZFlag | with that I'd be at about 50% sold. |
| 02:26:19 | jacques | BZFlag: whoah! 100?? |
| 02:28:24 | jacques | hmmm, amazing what you can buy for $10,000 |
| 02:31:41 | BZFlag | jacques: heh. yeah. it's yet to be seen if it actually happens. |
| 02:32:11 | BZFlag | I want to be convinced they are not reselling them, but are actually using them for Linux training as they claim they will be. |
| 02:32:20 | jacques | BZFlag: exactly |
| 02:32:41 | jacques | BZFlag: there are some shady ppl out there |
| 02:33:15 | jacques | BZFlag: seems like they would want to order a few and do a proff of concept before ordering 100 |
| 02:33:40 | jacques | BZFlag: and what sort of training are they going to be doing on a tuxscreen? |
| 02:34:10 | jacques | BZFlag: unless it's embedded systems programming with linux, I cant think of what |
| 02:42:25 | BZFlag | that's what they claim. embedded linux. |
| 02:45:33 | jacques | BZFlag: are they a school? |
| 02:55:24 | collord | has anyone played with the intel IPP (codec building block?) libraries, spec. with ulibc? |
| 03:03:54 | BZFlag | jacques: no details yet, but I'll get them before making the sale. |
| 03:04:47 | jacques | BZFlag: I know it must be very tempting to make the big sale - I really admire your integrity |
| 03:06:38 | BZFlag | jacques: heh. on the otherhand I would have to prepare 100 phones at once. not looking forward to that. ;-) |
| 03:07:08 | BZFlag | looks like 26 to prepare tonight. |
| 03:07:20 | BZFlag | better get busy... bbl |
| 03:07:42 | jacques | BZFlag: later |
| 03:25:24 | Tangent | <- Zzzzz |
| 03:33:19 | GoRK | jacques: i was planning on getting a telephony app along the lines of gnophone running in picogui (basically sticking pgtuxphone onto libiax) after i get the shanip2 boards finalized |
| 03:33:47 | GoRK | jacques: and extending the tuxphone daemon to allow client apps to trap events |
| 03:34:42 | GoRK | so not only to they see the 'reciever lifted' event or 'button 3 pushed' but get to override the default behavior of tuxphone for those events |
| 03:35:19 | jacques | nice |
| 03:35:45 | jacques | GoRK: what's libiax? |
| 03:36:01 | GoRK | jacques: it's a voip transport that is used with the asterisk soft-pbx |
| 03:36:30 | jacques | GoRK: what's new with shanip2? |
| 03:36:41 | jacques | how does it differ shanip? |
| 03:36:44 | GoRK | jacques: not much ... waiting for some stuff to arrive so i can prototype a board... |
| 03:37:08 | GoRK | jacques: it's a simpler design from the original lucent board and it has headphone out (w/ volume), line out, line in, mic in jacks |
| 03:37:33 | GoRK | www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork7.gif ... it's a bit different now but still similar to that last .gif |
| 03:37:41 | GoRK | ill bbiab.. gotta run do a couple things |
| 03:37:45 | jacques | ok |
| 05:37:29 | jacques | BZFlag: thanks :-) |
| 05:37:32 | | jacques is nothing but a clouted mass of spur-galled Stimpy-drool. |
| 05:37:32 | BZFlag | ibot: insult jacques |
| 05:37:39 | | bugger all, i dunno, jacques |
| 05:37:39 | jacques | ibot: where were you? |
| 05:37:39 | BZFlag | no problem. ;-) |
| 05:37:44 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 05:37:44 | BZFlag | ibot: wb |
| 06:10:56 | jacques | sigh |
| 06:11:23 | jacques | --23:07:57-- ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/people/dwmw2/mtd/cvs/mtd-snapshot-20010928.tar.bz2 |
| 06:11:23 | jacques | => `/home/fontenot/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/sources/mtd-snapshot-20010928.tar.bz2' |
| 06:11:23 | jacques | Connecting to ftp.uk.linux.org:21... connected! |
| 06:11:23 | jacques | Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! |
| 06:11:23 | jacques | ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD pub/people/dwmw2/mtd/cvs ... done. |
| 06:11:24 | jacques | ==> PASV ... done. ==> RETR mtd-snapshot-20010928.tar.bz2 ... |
| 06:11:24 | GoRK | ? |
| 06:11:27 | jacques | No such file `mtd-snapshot-20010928.tar.bz2'. |
| 06:11:40 | GoRK | are you trying to use the 0.4 buildroot-tux? |
| 06:11:44 | jacques | yes |
| 06:11:56 | GoRK | update to cvs buildroot-tux and your problems shall vanish :) |
| 06:12:13 | jacques | ah, OK. where can I get that? on sourceforge? |
| 06:12:24 | GoRK | yeah tuxscreen's project cvs |
| 06:12:30 | GoRK | all the good stuff is in there |
| 06:12:34 | jacques | cool, thanks |
| 06:12:51 | scanline | GoRK: Is fbtuxcal in buildroot yet? |
| 06:17:43 | GoRK | scanline: no but im holding off on it because.. well the new kernel doesnt have the same calibration interface |
| 06:18:11 | GoRK | if i could get it working at all, i'd have something to start fooling with |
| 06:18:47 | scanline | ok. Still trying to mash the 2.4.13 kernel wierdness? |
| 06:19:08 | scanline | I'm right now staring at some ddd graphs trying to figure out this dialog bug :) |
| 06:19:49 | jacques | cvs buildroot is still using kernel 2.4.7 ? |
| 06:20:01 | GoRK | yes. the audio playing is awesome. wheaties and serial flash are pretty ready. ucb1x00-audio in ucb1x00-audio telephony in/out and ucb1x00 touchscreen are all not working :( |
| 06:20:16 | GoRK | jacques: yes the new kernel is in no way ready to be unleashed :) |
| 06:23:31 | scanline | So the new ucb1200 driver is apparently smarter about interrupts :) |
| 06:23:57 | GoRK | right it is great. interrupts get into those udelays in wheaties. it wont skip at all ... |
| 06:24:08 | scanline | woohoo |
| 06:24:20 | GoRK | it doesnt resample much though... so 44.1khz doesnt work.. but 46.8khz does |
| 06:24:40 | GoRK | 22050 resamples to 22023 so pretty much the same |
| 06:24:57 | scanline | ok. Is madplay smart enough to play at 46.8khz? |
| 06:25:28 | GoRK | no you can pipe the output through sox but it will sound sped up... sox cant seem to resample it for me |
| 06:26:12 | scanline | blame libm :) |
| 06:26:21 | GoRK | this is in debian |
| 06:26:29 | scanline | ah |
| 06:26:30 | GoRK | tried with fastfpe and nwfpe also |
| 06:29:55 | jacques | wow, uclibc has shared libraries on ARM?? |
| 06:30:05 | scanline | yep |
| 06:30:17 | GoRK | sure why shouldnt it? :) |
| 06:30:22 | jacques | coool |
| 06:30:31 | scanline | GoRK: No shared libs on m68k |
| 06:30:55 | scanline | that's mainly a no-MMU issue though |
| 06:32:35 | jacques | it's only had arm shared lib support for 4 months |
| 06:32:57 | scanline | oh |
| 06:33:02 | scanline | we should celebrate :) |
| 06:35:34 | jacques | buildroot works well |
| 06:36:32 | scanline | even more reason to celebrate |
| 06:38:28 | jacques | L-) |
| 06:38:31 | jacques | :-) |
| 06:38:45 | scanline | ooh.. this might be it |
| 06:38:52 | GoRK | !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:39:10 | scanline | Subtle bug in divnode_split()... |
| 06:40:10 | GoRK | squishing bugs like crazy tonight. want to have a go at the kernel? |
| 06:40:18 | scanline | hehe. maybe |
| 06:40:35 | GoRK | the good thing about it is that there is working code to compare directly to non working code |
| 06:40:45 | scanline | yep |
| 06:40:59 | scanline | though i'm sure the ucb1200 code has been restructured quite a bit |
| 06:42:34 | GoRK | i think it is all a problem reading from ucb1200 |
| 06:43:53 | scanline | well, i managed to make it wedge pgserver any time you open a popup :) |
| 06:44:31 | scanline | I'm sure i found the bug (i think).. just need to fix it correctly... |
| 06:45:59 | scanline | Ah... 'if' should have been 'else if' |
| 06:46:46 | scanline | w00t!!!!!!! |
| 06:46:53 | GoRK | lol |
| 06:46:54 | GoRK | hehehe |
| 06:47:08 | scanline | 2 bugs... the else if thing made it crash when i fixed the first bug :) |
| 06:49:05 | scanline | 'tis in CVS |
| 06:49:11 | scanline | i should try it on the Tuxscreen too... |
| 06:49:56 | jacques | scanline: what are you debugging? |
| 06:51:12 | scanline | jacques: PicoGUI |
| 06:51:22 | jacques | scanline: cool |
| 06:51:56 | scanline | It's odd that we first noticed this bug on the tuxscreen though... i didn't see anything platform-specific. Maybe the x86 dwellers weren't perceptive enough :) |
| 06:57:41 | scanline | hiya andersee |
| 06:57:46 | GoRK | greetings |
| 06:57:52 | andersee | howdy all |
| 06:57:57 | andersee | hows it going? |
| 06:58:13 | GoRK | still wrestling ucb1x00 driver in 2.4.13 :( |
| 06:58:20 | GoRK | this thing is a piece |
| 06:58:23 | scanline | squashing bugs :) |
| 06:58:43 | GoRK | basically involves a bunch of printk's |
| 06:58:45 | GoRK | linus style :) |
| 06:58:49 | andersee | ugh. |
| 06:58:54 | andersee | Been there done that. |
| 06:59:01 | andersee | Not too much fun |
| 06:59:14 | GoRK | i dont know how to use the kernel debugger plus it's hard freezing anyway, so... :) printk! |
| 06:59:49 | scanline | ooh, i didn't know they had a kernel debugger now... |
| 07:00:23 | GoRK | it's been around for a long time. i think it's acually in the linus trees these days |
| 07:00:53 | andersee | I wrote my first printk debug message in 1996. Debugging hasn't gotten too much better (though when I did the Blip, I got to use gdb via JTAG and was in heaven) |
| 07:02:02 | andersee | All we need is a hack for jflash so we can run gdb via JTAG... ;-) |
| 07:02:18 | scanline | mmm... gdb... |
| 07:02:30 | scanline | I'd jtag my phone for that |
| 07:03:17 | scanline | is the first one to see the font picker not-crash on the Tuxscreen |
| 07:03:53 | GoRK | well... i saw it not crash when i first ever compiled up pgserver for tux |
| 07:04:01 | GoRK | that was an old old snapshot though |
| 07:04:26 | scanline | yeah, now that you mention it, i probably introduced that bug last time i reworked the rendering engine... |
| 07:06:49 | scanline | GoRK: Have you tried the 'beveled.th' theme on the TuxScreen yet? I've been using it recently... i think it helps some on the low-contrast LCD |
| 07:07:11 | GoRK | scanline: i havent yet, no |
| 07:07:42 | scanline | blech... still a bug in the file picker's scrolling... |
| 07:16:50 | scanline | Well, time for some sleep... After an early lab tomorrow, more debugging :-O |
| 07:16:50 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZz |
| 07:22:39 | GoRK | hello russ :) |
| 07:22:51 | GoRK | err are you there russ? |
| 07:47:01 | GoRK | hmm i think i almost have the telecom interface working |
| 07:53:01 | GoRK | unfortunately it seems to be turning the backlight on and off as well :) |
| 07:53:03 | GoRK | lol |
| 07:54:02 | GoRK | actually i think that is probably the on-hook bit of code |
| 07:54:21 | GoRK | at least i know the gpio's work now with the current driver |
| 08:09:31 | GoRK | heh exuberant ctags is teaching me kernel programming |
| 08:09:39 | GoRK | :) |
| 08:09:53 | GoRK | and digital electronics |
| 08:10:34 | GoRK | for instance i learned the difference between rising edge and falling edge interrupts |
| 08:12:47 | GoRK | ahh i think i may have found the cause for our concern: |
| 08:13:09 | GoRK | * FIXME: Currently very noddy indeed, which currently doesn't |
| 08:13:10 | GoRK | * matter since we only support one chip. |
| 08:13:20 | GoRK | i believe the one chip is the ucb1300 not ucb1200 |
| 08:13:45 | GoRK | telecom codec has changed a bit, audio input has changed a bit, verification has changed a bit, and touchscreen i/f has changed a bit! |
| 08:13:48 | GoRK | that is all our problems! |
| 08:13:53 | GoRK | reads the differences document |
| 08:15:53 | jacquesZzZz | why is gphoto such a piece of shit |
| 08:16:04 | GoRK | hmm "programming remains identical" argh |
| 08:34:46 | jacquesZzZz | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 08:37:22 | RedBaron_ | jacquesZzZz: Yes? |
| 08:37:46 | jacquesZzZz | sorry |
| 08:37:55 | jacquesZzZz | gphoto |
| 08:37:58 | RedBaron_ | jacquesZzZz: *chuckle* whats up? |
| 08:38:17 | jacquesZzZz | it has never worked for my camera even though they claim they support it |
| 08:38:29 | jacquesZzZz | i have reported the problem 2 years ago |
| 08:38:31 | RedBaron_ | ah |
| 08:38:39 | jacquesZzZz | still does not work |
| 08:38:42 | jacquesZzZz | comes woth no docs |
| 09:07:10 | BZFlag | nite |
| 09:09:34 | jacquesZzZz | cool, got it to work |
| 09:09:48 | jacquesZzZz | their new debugging feature actually works |
| 09:10:27 | RedBaron_ | cool |
| 09:16:15 | jacquesZzZz | too bad they dont report errors or I would have gotten it working much sooner |
| 09:16:34 | jacquesZzZz | if it had just said "can't write to lock file at foo" |
| 11:24:20 | Quack | Hi. |
| 11:24:30 | Quack | I dont suppose any of you happen to be Tim Riker ? ;) |
| 11:24:57 | RedBaron | Nope....BZFlag is offline now |
| 11:25:06 | Quack | I was wondering if anyone would have an opinion on this. |
| 11:25:33 | Quack | I want to use the 'TuxScreen' to view java applets - and without knowing much about 'inferno' - is it possible ? |
| 11:26:52 | RedBaron | I dont know for sure, but I sincerely doubt it. I didnt play with inferno much at all before installing linux over it. also the tuxscreen is very resource limited. |
| 11:27:54 | Quack | i dont have a tuxscreen yet - but i will order one to play with, so i can install a different version of linux over it ?. excellent. so i can run any java applets i like then ?. |
| 11:29:15 | RedBaron | No. not any version of linux. Only a linux that supports the StrongArm processor (which is what runs in the tux) and the tuxscreen's particular hardware setup for the strongarm. which basicly means the tuxscreens own port of linux. |
| 11:29:16 | Quack | (i only heard of tuxscreens yesterday).. they seem good. - what are your opinions on them ? any major limitations ? (appart memory and cpu speed). |
| 11:29:41 | Quack | ahh.. |
| 11:30:50 | RedBaron | the tuxscreen has its own kernel hacks. look at the software page on the website. there is a CVS repository with the various setups for the tux. the main problem is storage space. there is not much flash memory at all, and no hard drive. |
| 11:31:24 | Quack | can you add a 'diskOnChip' ? or would that be overly complicated ?. |
| 11:31:27 | RedBaron | Though you can put an IBM compactflash mini-drive into the tux. they do work. |
| 11:31:34 | Quack | ahh.. |
| 11:32:02 | RedBaron | I suppose you might be able to...but there is no interface setup in the tux to support that. it might be possible if you realy know your stuff about serious hardware hacking. |
| 11:32:22 | Quack | in your opinion, running a GUI java applet from a web page on the tux - receiving a constant live data stream - would it handle it ? would it be possible in your opinion ? |
| 11:33:39 | Quack | are you using any other embedded solutions in your 'work' ? (i am using JKMicro uFlash boards for all my other embedded 'gadgets').. |
| 11:33:55 | RedBaron | I'm not even sure if there is a strongarm port of the java VM. and it would have to be damn small. Really small. I know some people have come up with small java VM's for embedded stuff, but I dont know anything more about them. so .... maybe.....maybe |
| 11:34:29 | Quack | ahh.. okay - that makes sense.. it would need to be re-written in C code then. |
| 11:35:09 | RedBaron | it would also need to compile against the ulibc that the tuxscreen linux port is based on |
| 11:35:18 | RedBaron | its a stripped down libc to save on space |
| 11:36:19 | RedBaron | And.... knowing java :)...I cant stress that it would have to run in very little memory. There is no swap device. so all you get is 16M RAM. |
| 11:37:43 | RedBaron | actualy...I think a 32M sodimm is supported now. it takes special kernel/bootloader support to use the extra memory |
| 11:39:31 | Quack | ahuh.. Can i ask what your experience is with the tuxscreen ? ;). you seem to know all about it. |
| 11:39:49 | Quack | have you developed something around it ? |
| 11:40:16 | RedBaron | *chuckle* |
| 11:40:28 | RedBaron | I dont know as much as some of the guys here. |
| 11:41:29 | RedBaron | I got my tux, and the power supply was bad. the supply just didnt work at all. told bzflag about it and he sent me a new one immediately. which worked fine. and then my tux worked. |
| 11:41:41 | RedBaron | I'm working on turning my tux into a portable webpad type thing. |
| 11:42:12 | RedBaron | and it turns out to be very well suited to being portable. its very lightweight on the power consumption |
| 11:42:47 | Quack | ahuh.. I am working with a group developing 'distance gaming' (live casino stuff) - and when i saw the tuxscreen, i thaught cheap remote gaming console :). |
| 11:43:49 | Quack | but we'll see how that goes - ill need to get one and play with it.. |
| 11:43:54 | RedBaron | Ah. well, these things are being sold to developers only. |
| 11:44:11 | RedBaron | there is only a finite stock of them...and no-one is making them anymore |
| 11:44:12 | Quack | but we are developers ... |
| 11:44:39 | Quack | *we* are not a casino, but our current contract is to develop this casino. |
| 11:44:54 | Quack | really ? out of production.. |
| 11:45:02 | RedBaron | Yup. thats why I mentioned it |
| 11:45:16 | RedBaron | and its cool that your developers. |
| 11:45:17 | Quack | hmm. that could be a problem - why is that ? .. no demand ? |
| 11:45:34 | RedBaron | just dont expect to buy up a bunch for production models of what you want to do with it |
| 11:46:25 | RedBaron | Philips made the phone to sell to people....it didnt work. no-one bought it. so they dropped the product line. BZFlag somehow got the first production run of them and is now selling them to the linux community. and selling them rather cheaply too. |
| 11:46:41 | RedBaron | So...phillips has nothing to do with bzflag or the tuxscreen |
| 11:46:46 | RedBaron | nor the phone anymore. |
| 11:46:51 | Quack | ahh - i see... |
| 11:47:28 | Quack | well, atleast it would be some fun to play with, and see how it goes. (there are always other embedded linux boards out there to make a ver. 2). |
| 11:48:18 | RedBaron | My opinion, to more fully answer your previous question, is that the tux is realy nice piece of hardware. And worth a lot more than the $99 that BZFlag charges. And its a realy cheap way to work with the strongarm processor which is the best mobile proc around. |
| 11:48:30 | RedBaron | *nod* Ayup. very true |
| 11:49:19 | RedBaron | The only thing about the tux is to recognize its lack of resources. which is nto a design flaw...its just how it was made since it was supposed to a dialing directory for a telephone. :) |
| 11:49:32 | Quack | thanx heaps for your help. it was verry informative! :). Unfortunately i have to leave now (im at work) - but i will keep all this in mind :). thanx again. |
| 11:49:34 | Quack | Ciao. |
| 11:49:39 | RedBaron | No problem |
| 11:49:42 | RedBaron | seeyas |
| 11:49:49 | Quack | ;) |
| 12:38:47 | Tangent | looks around |
| 12:38:59 | MicroChip32 | hides |
| 12:47:06 | thekernel | MicroChip32: I have DSL again |
| 12:47:24 | MicroChip32 | the kewl, i have c spitting out images ;) |
| 12:47:34 | MicroChip32 | argh, s/the/thekernel/ |
| 12:47:57 | thekernel | Go offline for a few days and I'm surpassed by everyone's code |
| 12:48:05 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe |
| 12:48:09 | thekernel | Well, everyone doing simalar things. |
| 12:48:24 | MicroChip32 | no worries, right now its just a box with a diaginal line thru it |
| 12:48:29 | MicroChip32 | but all the rest is math |
| 12:48:43 | MicroChip32 | and linked list searches |
| 12:49:23 | thekernel | Ok, just so long as it doesn't put me to too much shame. |
| 12:49:27 | MicroChip32 | thekernel: incoming notice with url ... |
| 12:50:20 | thekernel | getting |
| 12:59:52 | MicroChip32 | smells smoke from thekernel as he tries to follow my code =) |
| 13:15:12 | thekernel | actually went back to bed for a few minutes... |
| 13:16:26 | MicroChip32 | lol thekernel |
| 13:17:17 | MicroChip32 | thekernel: must have been a woman there to entice ya back to bed =) |
| 13:52:13 | prpplague | someone please save me, this cisco stuff(sh*t) is sucking the life out of me..... |
| 13:52:49 | | "Da sky" |
| 13:52:49 | RedBaron | prpplague: Whats up? |
| 13:53:00 | RedBaron | slaps ibot around....just cause. |
| 13:53:42 | prpplague | RedBaron: ./me -mode bitch-n-complain |
| 13:54:17 | prpplague | RedBaron: i'm suppose to be in R&D but as of late i've been handling a bunch of complicated cisco installs |
| 13:54:33 | | :) |
| 13:54:33 | mallum | ibot: have a poisoned bot snack |
| 13:54:44 | | mallum: what? |
| 13:54:44 | mallum | ibot: you'll be dead in 20 seconds |
| 13:54:56 | | mallum: what? |
| 13:54:56 | mallum | ibot: you'll find out .... |
| 13:55:16 | RedBaron | prpplague: Sounds like fun. or something. |
| 13:55:30 | RedBaron | grins evily at ibot. |
| 13:55:33 | prpplague | or something is right... |
| 13:59:05 | pattieja | anybody used the SanDisk ImageMate External Drive for CompactFlash with Linux? |
| 14:01:03 | prpplague | pattieja: no me |
| 14:01:08 | prpplague | pattieja: not me |
| 14:02:06 | RedBaron | pattieja: me niether |
| 14:03:17 | MicroChip32 | falls asleep as his server recompiles its kernel |
| 14:03:38 | thekernel | doesn't like to be recompiled... |
| 14:03:46 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 14:03:52 | MicroChip32 | no wonder its taking so long |
| 14:04:10 | MicroChip32 | of course, it couldnt have anything to do with it being a k6-2/350 w/64m ram |
| 14:04:19 | thekernel | I wonder if I should get a little Tux engraved on my bowling ball :) |
| 14:04:41 | thekernel | I have a Duron 700 with 720MB ram... |
| 14:05:08 | MicroChip32 | thekernel: i have an athlon 850 o/c'd to 900 but thats being tortured with windows |
| 14:05:09 | thekernel | I should get it engraved on the green part so when I hold the ball up before rolling I see tux |
| 14:05:14 | Tangent | thekernel : 702MB.. nice :) |
| 14:05:23 | Tangent | 720 even |
| 14:05:47 | thekernel | It was $60 to get the 512MB now I think it's gone down $20 in price in the last month. |
| 14:05:54 | MicroChip32 | i have 620, but thats on my winblows box, which needs it more than the linux box |
| 14:06:32 | RedBaron | My dual celeron 366mhz overclocked to 550mhz does quite well on kernel compiles. I just dearly love make -j6. |
| 14:06:37 | thekernel | I'd say Linux has plenty of use for large amounts of memory. I could put ISO's on a ramdisk :) |
| 14:06:50 | MicroChip32 | lol thekernel |
| 14:07:07 | thekernel | I feel cramped at work with only 256 |
| 14:07:22 | thekernel | I'm tempted to buy a 512 for that machine. |
| 14:07:40 | MicroChip32 | thekernel: have you looked at my code yet, or is that what put you to sleep ;) |
| 14:07:41 | thekernel | Though it's RDRAM or whatever the higher end MBs take |
| 14:07:55 | thekernel | wanting to be awake for work put me to sleep. |
| 14:08:02 | MicroChip32 | hahahahahaha |
| 14:08:12 | MicroChip32 | woohoo, compile finished =) |
| 14:08:22 | thekernel | I have 50 minutes to go through the shower and get to work. |
| 14:08:26 | thekernel | Do you know what this means? |
| 14:09:13 | thekernel | waits for an answer to the semi-rhetorical question to be answered (no will suffice) |
| 14:09:38 | MicroChip32 | thekernel: it means you'll be early for work if you start doing stuff now |
| 14:09:39 | Tangent | thekernel : Yes.. I know |
| 14:10:54 | thekernel | No, it means if I don't leave now I'll be late for work. |
| 14:10:55 | MicroChip32 | yikes, long drive? or heavy traffic? |
| 14:10:55 | thekernel | I just take my time getting ready |
| 14:10:55 | thekernel | As they say.... So long and thanks for all the fish. |
| 14:10:56 | thekernel | I'll see you in 50 |
| 14:10:56 | MicroChip32 | hehehe. well, we'll see you in about 90 min then |
| 14:10:56 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 14:41:50 | thekernel | MicroChip32: Well, I'll be heading to work in 5 |
| 14:42:21 | MicroChip32 | tick, tick |
| 14:42:49 | thekernel | The 5 is for letting my car warm up |
| 14:44:10 | thekernel | before the carburator replacement it would do terrible things if it was warmed up, now it does them if I don't warm it up. |
| 14:45:59 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 15:58:54 | Tangent | Does anyone else get Tuxscreen hangs? My Tux seems to hang about once every 2 days at the momet |
| 15:58:59 | Tangent | moment |
| 15:59:08 | MicroChip32 | lengthen the rope ;) |
| 16:04:01 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: Any particular activity, or just sitting there? |
| 16:04:02 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : An enlightened suggestion ;) |
| 16:04:02 | kernelwork | I'd recommend against a noose though... |
| 16:04:23 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : Well it's running my office automation app, but basically just sitting there talking to the serial port |
| 16:04:52 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: Ahh... any power managment, screen savers, FPU emulation? |
| 16:05:08 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : No and No and NWFPE |
| 16:05:56 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: Maybe OOM? |
| 16:06:09 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : It has swap space, but maybe so |
| 16:06:39 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: I love random lockups.... they turn a boring afternoon into an intense experience.... |
| 16:07:11 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : Yeah.. great for debuggering too... No messages.. no logs.. nothing at all helpful |
| 16:08:05 | MicroChip32 | wb kernelwork |
| 16:08:34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: leaky memory app? |
| 16:17:18 | Tangent | blames swapspace... doesn't seem to be 100% stable on ARM stuff to me |
| 16:22:08 | MicroChip32 | can anyone point me to a tutorial on linux drivers? |
| 16:22:26 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah..I saw one of those recently |
| 16:22:42 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: The best is the o'reily book online... don't have a URL thought |
| 16:22:48 | kernelwork | Linux Device Drivers - O'Reilly |
| 16:22:49 | CosmicPenguin | s/thought/though/ |
| 16:23:02 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: url? |
| 16:23:06 | CosmicPenguin | The one online is the new version, more 2.4ish... the old book was more 2.0 |
| 16:23:11 | kernelwork | I may have it in XML... |
| 16:23:22 | SpaceCoaster | http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/index.html |
| 16:23:53 | MicroChip32 | is that the whole book? or just a summary? |
| 16:25:00 | kernelwork | It's the whole book |
| 16:25:01 | MicroChip32 | WTF was that? |
| 16:25:46 | MicroChip32 | my irc just vaporized on me |
| 16:26:02 | kernelwork | It knew you were on to something and had to stop you... |
| 16:26:17 | MicroChip32 | hahaha |
| 16:26:34 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm a tiger driver ? hmmmm |
| 16:26:52 | MicroChip32 | no worries, this is a voip project |
| 16:26:58 | MacAtack | i'm gonna print that book up |
| 16:27:06 | MacAtack | its only toner and trees |
| 16:27:26 | MacAtack | (plus i need new reading materal for use in my 'office') |
| 16:29:12 | MicroChip32 | WTF is going on? |
| 16:29:16 | CosmicPenguin | MacAtack: Wait for the published version... it should be here any day now.... |
| 16:29:30 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: but ya gotta pay for that |
| 16:30:06 | scanline | is back (gone 09:14:12) |
| 16:30:28 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Gotta support O'Reily..... they are a true open source friend.... |
| 16:30:48 | MicroChip32 | true, i like them (looks at his perl book) |
| 16:31:36 | MacAtack | CosmicPenguin: I'll buy it... but heck i'll print off the first couple chapters to get started (print them 2 pages each side of the paper) |
| 16:32:54 | MicroChip32 | MacAtack: dont forget to buy me a copy, and buy em thru my site <G> |
| 16:35:04 | CosmicPenguin | I always buy O'Reily when I can..... They do good work..... |
| 16:36:46 | MacAtack | MicroChip32: i don't think that link was on ur site any more... at least the last time i wen to purchase a book |
| 16:37:13 | MicroChip32 | hmmm i'll have to check that |
| 16:39:13 | MicroChip32 | ok too many windows open, and too many things hogging bandwidth =) |
| 16:39:24 | MicroChip32 | 9 windows, 4 downloads |
| 16:42:08 | kernelwork | Thats it? |
| 16:43:18 | MicroChip32 | right now, but acrobat was bogging for some reason |
| 16:43:37 | MicroChip32 | nothing else was bogging so must have been an acrobat thing |
| 16:43:48 | MicroChip32 | well, my modem was choking, but thats normal |
| 16:43:58 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 16:46:03 | kernelwork | Key word for the problem... Modem |
| 16:48:52 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 16:49:03 | MicroChip32 | or more accurately ... isp |
| 16:49:27 | MicroChip32 | my isp doesnt even start to supply me with my modem's capacity |
| 16:49:30 | MicroChip32 | *grumble* |
| 18:40:19 | GoRK | greetings |
| 18:46:52 | MicroChip32 | hey, life, the first sign of life in over 2 hours |
| 18:50:02 | kernelwork | Are you saying I need a life? |
| 18:51:44 | MicroChip32 | =X |
| 19:14:31 | | what's up, barna |
| 19:14:31 | barna | hello |
| 19:15:02 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 19:15:16 | | ...but nothing is really missing for automated uploading right? The cron job can just do ipkg-unbuild and ipkg-make-index, no?... |
| 19:15:16 | MicroChip32 | ibot nothing is up |
| 19:15:28 | MicroChip32 | rotfl, stoopid ibot |
| 19:16:06 | barna | :) |
| 19:17:00 | Russ | heheh |
| 19:19:54 | Niddix | MicroChip32: I just think ibot is trying to sound smart. |
| 19:20:19 | kernelwork | At least as smart as a datalogger can sound... |
| 19:20:22 | MicroChip32 | i think youre right. im tring w/o luck to get ibot to handle the <reply> tag tho |
| 19:21:18 | MicroChip32 | stoopid bot |
| 19:22:07 | | russ: i don't know |
| 19:22:07 | Russ | ibot: what is that/ |
| 19:22:10 | | no idea, russ |
| 19:22:10 | Russ | ibot: what is that? |
| 19:22:33 | | OK, Russ. |
| 19:22:33 | Russ | ibot: that is a "thing" |
| 19:22:35 | | that is a "thing" |
| 19:22:35 | Russ | ibot: what is that? |
| 19:22:48 | | hmmm... i am dumb |
| 19:22:48 | Niddix | ibot: What are you? |
| 19:22:55 | | russ: i haven't a clue |
| 19:22:55 | Russ | ibot: what? |
| 19:23:12 | | wish i knew, niddix |
| 19:23:12 | Niddix | ibot: Are you just plain stupid? |
| 19:23:21 | MicroChip32 | rotfl how appropriate |
| 19:23:28 | | ...but ibot is dumb... |
| 19:23:28 | Russ | ibot: you are just plaing stupid |
| 19:23:51 | | bugger all, i dunno, niddix |
| 19:23:51 | Niddix | ibot: Were you born that way or has it taken years of studying to get there? |
| 19:23:58 | MicroChip32 | is rotflmclsao |
| 19:24:07 | Tangent | I've been looking very hard for a replacement for ibot |
| 19:24:20 | MicroChip32 | is it yours Tangent? |
| 19:24:21 | Tangent | I've seen a couple of ALICE AIs online now |
| 19:24:41 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah.. started/hosted by me, maintained by BZFlag |
| 19:25:00 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: msg me again how <reply> works, i cant make it behave |
| 19:25:30 | | OK, Tangent. |
| 19:25:30 | Tangent | ibot ykk is <reply> Wurgle Burgle Gurgle |
| 19:25:35 | | Wurgle Burgle Gurgle |
| 19:25:35 | Tangent | ibot ykk |
| 19:25:41 | | Tangent: I forgot ykk |
| 19:25:41 | Tangent | ibot forget ykk |
| 19:25:43 | MicroChip32 | how come it wont do that for me |
| 19:26:03 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Show me |
| 19:26:05 | MicroChip32 | it takes the whole <reply> blah blah as the reply |
| 19:26:26 | MicroChip32 | at least when i do it in a msg window to ibot |
| 19:26:31 | MicroChip32 | i aint tried it in the chan |
| 19:26:59 | MicroChip32 | sec |
| 19:27:00 | MicroChip32 | whats up |
| 19:27:06 | MicroChip32 | ok ibot forgot that one |
| 19:27:13 | | OK, MicroChip32. |
| 19:27:13 | MicroChip32 | ibot up is <reply> up yours |
| 19:27:17 | MicroChip32 | whats up |
| 19:27:23 | | up yours |
| 19:27:23 | MicroChip32 | ibot whats up |
| 19:27:33 | MicroChip32 | ok now it wouldnt do that in the private window |
| 19:28:06 | | OK, Russ. |
| 19:28:06 | Russ | ibot: register is <reply> password |
| 19:28:19 | Russ | ibot: tell russ about register |
| 19:28:27 | Russ | damn |
| 19:28:41 | Russ | was going to do tell nickserv about register |
| 19:28:47 | | Russ: I forgot register |
| 19:28:47 | Russ | ibot: forget register |
| 19:28:58 | | MicroChip32: I forgot tangent |
| 19:28:58 | MicroChip32 | ibot forget Tangent |
| 19:29:01 | MicroChip32 | hehehe |
| 19:29:15 | | i haven't a clue, tangent |
| 19:29:15 | Tangent | ibot tangent? |
| 19:30:04 | | OK, MicroChip32. |
| 19:30:04 | MicroChip32 | ibot tangent is <reply> I dont think Tangent would want me to blab about his private life |
| 19:30:07 | MicroChip32 | hehe |
| 19:30:12 | Tangent | :) |
| 19:30:30 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Didn't he use to say my email address? |
| 19:30:59 | MicroChip32 | Tangent not that ive seen. you could add "but you can ask him for yourself at ...." to the above <G> |
| 19:31:15 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Nah.. can't be bothered |
| 19:31:19 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 19:31:33 | Tangent | someone else will do it sooner or later anyway |
| 19:32:24 | | hmmm... tangent is was last seen down at the local bar. |
| 19:32:24 | MicroChip32 | ibot tangent |
| 19:32:32 | MicroChip32 | gah, stoopid bot |
| 19:33:05 | | MicroChip32: I forgot tangent |
| 19:33:05 | MicroChip32 | ibot forget Tangent |
| 19:33:11 | | OK, MicroChip32. |
| 19:33:11 | MicroChip32 | ibot tangent is <reply> I dont think Tangent would want me to blab about his private life |
| 19:33:12 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Give this a try... http://alicebot.org/alicechat.php |
| 19:33:38 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : It's been up for 5 years now... 41000 factoids online |
| 19:35:27 | MicroChip32 | i think i prefer ibot from my brief encounter to alice |
| 19:36:16 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I'd like to breed the two together |
| 19:36:34 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Alice has better understand of language.. ibot has a good collection of URLs |
| 19:51:01 | Niddix | Anyone on who has a strong understanding of PCMCIA networking? |
| 19:51:37 | Tangent | Niddix : Pretty good... what's broken? |
| 19:52:27 | Niddix | Well, I insert my NIC.. and it configures.. but hangs my tux. |
| 19:53:17 | Niddix | Tangent: Let me clarify.. If the NIC is in when I boot.. it hangs my tux. |
| 19:53:51 | Tangent | Niddix : The /linuxrc is prabably trying to mount an NFS partition |
| 19:53:51 | Niddix | Either way however I get errors when I try to ping. |
| 19:54:18 | Tangent | Niddix : Have a look at the linuxrc... I hacked it a bit to get mine booting properly |
| 19:56:07 | Niddix | Heh.. not to mention its setting a bogus ip address |
| 19:56:51 | Niddix | Any idea how to allow it to use dhcp? |
| 19:58:37 | AlHazWork | an earlier version actually did use dhcp |
| 20:01:17 | AlHazWork | there should be a udhcpc client binary on the flash image, shouldn't be hard to use it |
| 20:01:48 | Niddix | Nod. |
| 20:01:55 | Niddix | I just found it. |
| 20:02:00 | Niddix | I've always used pump. |
| 20:08:19 | Niddix | AlHazWork: Aparently the Novell DHCP server doesn't respond to udhcpc. |
| 20:09:10 | AlHazWork | Niddix: Not too surprising |
| 20:09:17 | AlHazWork | actually, I think I've heard of that before |
| 20:21:01 | AlHazWork | every dhcp server and client has at least a slightly different interpretation of the spec, uchdcp and novell are far enough apart that each thinks the other is sending malformed requests |
| 20:22:03 | Niddix | yeah.. I'll grab the source and hack it up to support it. |
| 21:17:27 | GoRK | hello |
| 21:17:53 | kernelwork | Wow, not even an echo |
| 21:20:39 | MicroChip32 | echo ... echo ... echo |
| 21:22:46 | jacques | yo yo yo!!! |
| 21:22:48 | jacques | :-D |
| 21:23:07 | kernelwork | Is it me or has things slowed ever so slightly |
| 21:23:18 | MicroChip32 | everyone is preparing for the holidays |
| 21:23:26 | kernelwork | Really? |
| 21:23:27 | jacques | ugh, please dont remind me |
| 21:23:30 | MicroChip32 | hehehee |
| 21:23:48 | Tangent | I've slowed down, but that's because everything on my Tux works now |
| 21:23:52 | kernelwork | Lets see, I only have one weekend to worry about this month and one week next month... |
| 21:23:54 | MicroChip32 | is writing a mapping program, a voip driver, and preparing for a 2 week vacation in florida (hopefully) |
| 21:24:18 | jacques | Tangent: what about that hanging problem? |
| 21:24:26 | MicroChip32 | jacques: he got a longer rope |
| 21:24:29 | kernelwork | I should finalize my travel plans and make my time off requests. |
| 21:24:52 | Tangent | jacques : Well, I've still got that problem, but no idea how to deal with it |
| 21:24:53 | kernelwork | gahh! not the rope joke again... |
| 21:25:00 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 21:25:26 | CosmicPenguin | In order for it to be a joke, it needs to be funny |
| 21:26:38 | kernelwork | I think someone chuckled this morning. |
| 21:26:51 | | hanging is caused when my rope is too short |
| 21:26:51 | MicroChip32 | ibot hanging |
| 21:26:57 | Tangent | Nope.. no-one laughed that time either |
| 21:27:21 | kernelwork | Logs? |
| 21:27:32 | MicroChip32 | hides his logs |
| 21:28:07 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: No, no... that was kinda funny...... |
| 21:28:16 | kernelwork | Logs can be used to make a frame for holding a rope so you can hang things... |
| 21:28:34 | kernelwork | Or they can tell you why your daemon is broken. |
| 21:29:04 | CosmicPenguin | Geez... another joke like that, and we'll have to start testing your theories..... |
| 21:29:10 | MicroChip32 | rotfl |
| 21:29:46 | kernelwork | Hey, I thought something had to be funny to be a joke |
| 21:29:51 | CosmicPenguin | Now you guys see what I have to put up with all day..... |
| 21:30:02 | kernelwork | No, only when I come over to your cube |
| 21:32:20 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: actually things that arent funny that are meant to be are also considered jokes |
| 21:33:17 | MicroChip32 | or perhaps more accurately ... things that dont work as theyre supposed to are considered 'jokes' |
| 21:35:16 | kernelwork | Well, I often say things that are just bad enough to be recognized as an intentionally lame joke |
| 21:36:06 | kernelwork | I call them "I can't believe you said that" comments. |
| 21:36:32 | MicroChip32 | anyone here familiar with communicating with a usb device from c (linux) |
| 21:41:28 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: That all depends on what you think the meaning of "familiar" is... but I've tossed a few USB drivers on before, so hit me.... |
| 21:45:09 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: i need to write a device driver to interface between a /dev/foobar mapping and a device connected to a usb port. the driver part i can handle (i think) but i (we actually) cant figure out how to communicate with the usb port |
| 21:45:50 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: i just got something in the mail ... but it ummm, well, its gonna need an operation |
| 21:46:56 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: It is actually pretty easy.... What type of device is it, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 21:47:20 | MicroChip32 | http://voipblaster.creative.com |
| 21:48:04 | CosmicPenguin | So I would be correct in saying that 90% of the time that you are just blasting data out to the sucker.... |
| 21:48:28 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: nope, would be both ways, internet telephony |
| 21:48:49 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: Ok, same difference.... |
| 21:49:10 | CosmicPenguin | So anyway, you've got these things called URBs... |
| 21:50:08 | CosmicPenguin | There are two types - control urbs and bulk urbs.... |
| 21:50:19 | CosmicPenguin | Control URBs are used to send opcodes or commands to a device..... |
| 21:50:35 | CosmicPenguin | And bulk URBs just pass data en mass to the device (much like a serial port) |
| 21:51:13 | CosmicPenguin | All you gotta do is format your data like you need to, create the URBs, attach your device, and send em to the engine... |
| 21:51:41 | MicroChip32 | ok, and the big question, how to send em to the [usb] engine ? |
| 21:52:33 | CosmicPenguin | Thats acutally all ready done.... look at drivers/usb/usb_skeleton.c for a good example.... |
| 21:52:51 | MicroChip32 | where for that ? |
| 21:53:01 | CosmicPenguin | Or you can look at the patch on http://cosmic.linuxhost.cc for a real word example.... |
| 21:56:40 | scanline | awakens again... |
| 22:01:36 | MicroChip32 | is off for food |
| 22:07:48 | GoRK | hello |
| 22:08:34 | SpaceCoaster | hi GoRK |
| 22:09:15 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: i found one minor bug in the ucb1200 driver but it didnt fix much |
| 22:09:43 | GoRK | but it did cause accessing the telecom codec to only make sounds on the line and not on the shanip2 |
| 22:09:50 | GoRK | you access it as /dev/dsp1 |
| 22:10:23 | GoRK | i also discovered that ucb1200 gpio pins work fine with the current driver |
| 22:10:31 | GoRK | current as in the 2.4.13 one |
| 22:11:25 | SpaceCoaster | ok, so we can have brightness and contrast back again? |
| 22:13:27 | GoRK | yeah but russ was talking about rewriting it for some other interface |
| 22:14:55 | SpaceCoaster | certainly backlight on/off has a standard ioctl on the frame buffer device which we should use/support. |
| 22:17:53 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: where's that drivers/usb/usb_skeleton.c that you mentioned at? |
| 22:18:01 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: the serial_flash driver is improved, it doesn't support JFFS2 yet. JFFS2 writes little chunks of data (12 bytes) and I only handle whole pages (256 bytes). I was trying to track down how other MTD drivers did it, but nothing yet. |
| 22:18:41 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: it musn't be more than 6 lines of code :-) |
| 22:27:34 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: when i go to that linuxhost.cc site it give me a page about needing a 'current' browser. whats it want? |
| 22:27:36 | GoRK | cool |
| 22:27:37 | GoRK | bbiab |
| 22:30:38 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: It wants a good kick in the ass...... |
| 22:30:44 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Whats up with XMission?????? |
| 22:31:24 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: where's that drivers/usb/usb_skeleton.c that you mentioned at? |
| 22:31:26 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: In the linux source tree, there is a drivers/usb/usb-skeleton.c file.... |
| 22:32:20 | MicroChip32 | i looked, didnt find one on my system |
| 22:34:04 | kernelwork | I"m calling support right now |
| 22:34:51 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: That page is in my hosting space... |
| 22:35:23 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: nice, give your hose a good kick in the arse for us will ya |
| 22:35:28 | MicroChip32 | s/hose/host/ |
| 22:36:48 | kernelwork | is on hold... |
| 22:37:57 | kernelwork | There are 2 calls ahead of me (or so says the support phone system) |
| 22:41:00 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: You have no USB support in your kernel? |
| 22:41:40 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: i didnt earlier today, but that much is all set up now |
| 22:44:36 | kernelwork | It was a small misconfiguration in the webserver... |
| 22:44:50 | MicroChip32 | small? id say. is it fixed now ? |
| 22:45:21 | kernelwork | It was expecting www.linuxhost.cc instead of cosmic.linuxhost.cc to be requested. (name based IP shareing) |
| 22:45:41 | MicroChip32 | ahhhhhh, why'd that result in the message we got ? |
| 22:46:22 | kernelwork | I don't know, read the roxen webserver docs |
| 22:46:24 | MicroChip32 | not fixed yet |
| 22:47:22 | Niddix | Do I need the buildroot package to have a compiler on my tux? |
| 22:50:38 | kernelwork | It'll be fixed in about 5 minutes. They're editing a config file and then restarting the daemon. |
| 22:51:00 | kernelwork | Tonight I get my new IP address and update my MX records. |
| 22:51:23 | MicroChip32 | kewl, and re-cool |
| 22:57:01 | Tangent | kernelwork : Heh... I got my new IPs about two months ago.. still havent moved mail server from old house yet |
| 23:01:14 | Niddix | Anyone have a copy of cvs compiled for the tux? |
| 23:01:20 | | OK, MicroChip32. |
| 23:01:20 | MicroChip32 | ibot usbdocs are at http://usb.cs.tum.edu/usbdoc/ |
| 23:04:20 | | rumour has it cvs is Concurrent Versions System |
| 23:04:20 | Niddix | ibot: cvs? |
| 23:04:43 | | i haven't a clue, niddix |
| 23:04:43 | Niddix | ibot: No kidding. Do you know anything about the tuxscreen cvs repository? |
| 23:05:58 | MicroChip32 | as stupid as ibot is, i think its replies are more appropriate than other 'true' ai's are |
| 23:07:03 | Niddix | Back to Civ III |
| 23:07:30 | CosmicPenguin | wb everybody! |
| 23:07:37 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix_away: Why would you ever want CVS on the Tux??? |
| 23:08:40 | Niddix_away | CosmicPenguin: Would it be better to cross compile? |
| 23:08:58 | Tangent | A lot faster to cross compile certainly |
| 23:09:05 | Tangent | compile stuff straight on the tux |
| 23:09:20 | Niddix_away | Certainly.. however I have no clue how to do so. |
| 23:09:35 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix_away: Very easy.... grab the cross compiler from handhelds.org.... |
| 23:10:45 | Niddix_away | CosmicPenguin: Someone should make a wiki page telling folks how to get setup ;) |
| 23:11:04 | Niddix_away | CosmicPenguin: Unless of course there is one already that I am too dense to find. |
| 23:11:46 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... there may be one, but I'll bet we all just glossed over it... |
| 23:12:03 | CosmicPenguin | a gl |
| 23:12:05 | CosmicPenguin | a |
| 23:12:15 | CosmicPenguin | (where is that damn backspace key?) |
| 23:12:44 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix_away: A good number of us came from the Ipaq development, so we were already up-to-date on arm cross compiling,....... |
| 23:13:07 | Niddix_away | CosmicPenguin: I've noticed that ;) |
| 23:14:45 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix_away: Thats really no excuse for being egotistical though..... I'll see about getting a little something up on the wiki soon... |
| 23:50:23 | GoRK | lala |
| 23:50:39 | GoRK | ucb1x00 sucks! |
| 23:52:39 | Russ | why? |
| 23:53:15 | GoRK | Russ: :) because i cant get it to work |
| 23:53:43 | GoRK | Russ: btw i found a bug in it too that should go upstream (but probably with the rest of the necessary changes too :) |
| 23:53:53 | GoRK | Russ: have you fed anything to rmk yet? |
| 23:54:08 | Russ | no, been out of town/busy |
| 23:55:08 | GoRK | Russ: the change is to add this line: |
| 23:55:12 | GoRK | a->telecom = 1; |
| 23:55:20 | GoRK | before this line: |
| 23:55:23 | GoRK | a->state.input_dma = ucb->mcp->dma_telco_rd; |
| 23:55:23 | Russ | what does that do? |
| 23:55:28 | GoRK | in ucb1x00-audio.c |
| 23:56:16 | GoRK | that identifies that audio interface as being the telecom interface in the struct that describes it. without that, opening up /dev/dsp1 sets rates on the mcp's audio codec instead of the mcp's telecom codec |
| 23:57:16 | GoRK | which eliminates annoying buzzing on the ucb1200 audio lines when accessing the telecom codec. (audio in and telecom in/out still dont work properly though..) |
| 23:58:02 | GoRK | Russ: i did manage to discover that ucb1200 gpio control is fine in the new driver... so the only things still broken are ucb1x00 audio in, ucb1x00 telecom in+out, and ucb1x00-ts :-/ |
| 23:58:29 | Russ | so its really just a machine_is_shannon() change |
| 23:59:30 | GoRK | i dont know for sure.... perhaps but perhaps not. There isn't any other special cases in the old ucb1200 other than what is already in the new ucb1x00 driver. and the old driver works fine. it's very bizzare |
| 23:59:53 | GoRK | i'm just curious to know if the driver works on anything else as it is right now |