| 00:00:47 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: well sortof. |
| 00:01:15 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: it showed codepoet.org do to a firmware bug in the Cisco 675 |
| 00:02:01 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: ok I thought I was going crazy, or mozilla was, that's your NAT bug that you reported to Cisco. |
| 00:03:00 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: yep. |
| 00:03:10 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: I've reserved tomorrow for the 40M blob and linux fix, wish me luck. |
| 00:03:21 | BZFlag | good luck. ;-) |
| 00:03:32 | SpaceCoaster | why thank you! |
| 00:05:18 | SpaceCoaster | I noticed that russ included the 32M in his latest patches, I'm hoping to get this stuff done before he ships 2.4.1X |
| 00:05:28 | Hiraghm | BZ, do I do a paypal Send Money to Sales@tuxscreen.net? |
| 00:07:42 | Hiraghm | wishes SpaceCoaster luck, too. |
| 00:08:20 | jacques | how easy is it to get the 32MB SODIMMs that work? |
| 00:08:28 | jacques | do we need to do a group buy ? |
| 00:08:49 | Hiraghm | That's a good question |
| 00:09:42 | Tangent | I've been unable to find 32MB 72pin sodimms anywhere in the UK |
| 00:10:48 | SpaceCoaster | Just got my refund from Crucial for the duff 32MB SODIMM that they shipped. |
| 00:12:01 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent, which kernel are you running? |
| 00:12:45 | TangentTux | 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 |
| 00:22:47 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: yes. |
| 00:23:12 | BZFlag | jacques: easy to get, not so easy to get them to work. ;-/ |
| 00:23:31 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: did you send it back? |
| 00:23:44 | jacques | BZFlag: with the new bootldr patches, are you sayig that most will work? |
| 00:23:48 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: with a board mod it should work. just route a12 correctly. ;-) |
| 00:24:15 | BZFlag | jacques: wait till SpaceCoaster tries the new config. |
| 00:24:23 | jacques | BZFlag: gladly |
| 00:24:47 | BZFlag | we hope to see all 40M with the new stuff and still be able to boot if the sodimm is not installed. |
| 00:25:02 | BZFlag | the current sees only 32M and will not boot without the sodimm. |
| 00:25:23 | prpplague | whoo, last fsck'n network call for today! |
| 00:26:00 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: yes, I sent it back, and I'm sure the boot will work without the SODIMM. I am working with the latest blob in CVS so it will be current. |
| 00:26:04 | prpplague | goes home to drink a beer and dream of really cool ARM boards |
| 00:26:04 | jacques | BZFlag: I'm sure progress will continue |
| 00:26:19 | Hiraghm | Yeah! I got a home (I think) |
| 00:26:46 | Niddix_away | Hiraghm: More importantly.. do you have a tuxscreen. |
| 00:26:56 | Hiraghm | BZ says I do |
| 00:28:13 | prpplague | night all |
| 00:28:22 | SpaceCoaster | night prpplague |
| 00:30:04 | BZFlag | "<Hiraghm> BZ says I do" heh. well I guess the post office does now, but you will soon! |
| 00:34:42 | Hiraghm | I'll have two soon too. One that's blobbed. |
| 00:34:54 | Hiraghm | but you're going to have to walk me through installing Linux 8c( |
| 00:35:26 | Hiraghm | geez |
| 00:36:02 | Tangent | Hiraghm : Sure.. I'll talk you through the blobbed one.. no problem |
| 00:36:31 | Tangent | Hiraghm : I need to do get rid of inferno on my second tux, so I'll have to re-read my the doc I wrote |
| 00:43:58 | Hiraghm | heehee |
| 00:44:16 | Hiraghm | how do I change my name? I gotta go afk |
| 00:46:13 | scanline | morning sammy |
| 00:46:25 | Sammy | morning scanline |
| 00:54:15 | Aelhaz | Evenin |
| 00:58:04 | Tangent | Aelhaz : Hi |
| 01:01:41 | Tangent | jacques : How would this do for your car? http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/17320.pdf |
| 01:01:50 | Tangent | I think I might have to get me a couple of them |
| 01:03:11 | Tangent | I certainly need one |
| 01:05:42 | jacques | Tangent: looking |
| 01:06:43 | jacques | Tangent: looks excellent |
| 01:07:03 | BZFlag | AA25N-048L-050D033 ? dual 3.3/5v |
| 01:07:20 | Tangent | BZFlag : That's the one... Meaty current too |
| 01:07:25 | jacques | :-) |
| 01:07:45 | MicroChip32 | thats what kernelwork needs for his car-gps tux |
| 01:07:54 | Tangent | Fairly meaty pricetag too tho... looking for cheaper alternatives right now |
| 01:07:57 | BZFlag | This model includes Trim feature and unique pin assignments. Contact factory. |
| 01:08:10 | Aelhaz | new keyboard in my notebook. such luxury. plus the H key doesn't keep falling off now. |
| 01:09:05 | Tangent | Aelhaz : Woo needs H anyway |
| 01:09:11 | BZFlag | have you shopped for a 5v to 3.3v ? I think the 5v input should be fairly tolerant so it could be fed straight of batteries. |
| 01:10:06 | BZFlag | tangent; i have a broken shift key on my other laptop |
| 01:10:06 | Aelhaz | Tangent: well it was either get a new kb or adopt a cockney accent |
| 01:15:17 | Tangent | Hmm.. can't really find any suitable alternatives to this one... Can probably manage 0.6A@3.3v and 0.4A at 5V for a third of the cost |
| 01:15:26 | Tangent | Don't think that's really enough |
| 01:17:14 | jacques | Tangent: what is the cost? |
| 01:17:34 | jacques | oops - meeting time, BIAW |
| 01:17:49 | Tangent | jacques : I'll tell you when you get back then.. and I'll tell you in $$ |
| 01:20:50 | MicroChip32 | ok you c guys, how do i declare an array of pointers to a typedef ? |
| 01:21:26 | MicroChip32 | correction: a pointer to an array of pointers to a typedef |
| 01:27:57 | Tangent | Hrm.. seems like that voltage converter gizmo wants a 48V input... How crazy is that |
| 01:29:23 | BZFlag | MicroChip32: foo_t **foo will do it. but it's not bounded. |
| 01:30:38 | uChip | daggonit |
| 01:31:10 | uChip | BZFlag may i msg you ? |
| 01:33:56 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 01:33:56 | BZFlag | MicroChip32: that work for ya? if not then: foo_t (*foo)[size]; should do. |
| 01:34:31 | Hiraghm | eww.. pointer to array of functions? |
| 01:34:42 | Hiraghm | (just got back from getting/eating fish) |
| 01:34:59 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: no. pointer to array of pointers to foo_t |
| 01:35:04 | Hiraghm | ah |
| 01:35:10 | Hiraghm | I scrolled up 8c) |
| 01:48:54 | MicroChip32 | is off to try to crash c |
| 01:49:14 | | perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl |
| 01:49:14 | BZFlag | ibot: perl? |
| 01:49:22 | BZFlag | heh. oh well. |
| 02:10:27 | MicroChip32 | grrrrrr ... |
| 02:10:28 | MicroChip32 | typedef struct { int foo; char *bar; } foobar; |
| 02:10:28 | MicroChip32 | foobar *trash; |
| 02:10:28 | MicroChip32 | trash->foo = 1; |
| 02:10:28 | MicroChip32 | // parse error before `->' |
| 02:11:14 | jacques | back |
| 02:11:45 | Tangent | jacques : That converter isn't suitable.. It wants 36-75V on the input side :( |
| 02:11:58 | Tangent | jacques : I still haven't found a good alternative that I can actually buy anywhere |
| 02:22:02 | MicroChip32 | slaps head DOH! |
| 02:22:22 | MicroChip32 | mutters "i hate c i hate c i hate c" |
| 02:23:29 | Aelhaz | I've seen schematics & plans for 12v ATX power suppllies |
| 02:23:32 | Aelhaz | online even |
| 02:24:49 | Aelhaz | if nothing else you could adapt the 12v to 5v circuit and 5v to 3.3v circuit to your application |
| 02:25:32 | BZFlag | MicroChip32: hmm... looks fine to me. |
| 02:26:01 | MicroChip32 | hehehe look closer ;) |
| 02:34:42 | Tangent | Cool.. got my home automation app running native on the Tux :) :) :) |
| 02:35:32 | SpaceCoaster | cool, Tangent what's it written in? |
| 02:35:37 | MicroChip32 | next step is to take over the worlds neuclear forces right ? |
| 02:36:12 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : C++.. it's a actaully written by my mate who can code... It was done with QT designer and Kdevelop |
| 02:36:40 | SpaceCoaster | C++, QT and it fits in the memory! |
| 02:37:08 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : I have a microdrive in there with some swap space (and the files obviously) |
| 02:38:12 | SpaceCoaster | Is the performance ok? |
| 02:38:41 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Well the compile job sucked with on ly 16MB, but the binary is only 150KB... It's just fine :) |
| 02:39:48 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Using 3076K of memory.. or so my mate tells me |
| 02:40:19 | SpaceCoaster | Wow, I'm looking for something to develop an application, I've been trying Java but performance is dismal with Blackdown port and kaffe doesn't want to run, I was beginning to consider Tcl/Tk (I know it well). But maybe QT might do the trick. |
| 02:41:41 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Let me do a screenshot for you |
| 02:41:43 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: tried fltk? |
| 02:42:51 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: Thanks, I'll add it to the list, Java is my first choice and I have to give it another couple of shots. |
| 02:42:52 | scanline | whispers PicoGUI near SpaceCoaster |
| 02:43:37 | SpaceCoaster | promotes MicroWindows for the absent CosmicPenguin |
| 02:43:47 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:43:49 | scanline | good job |
| 02:44:22 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: well we can't leave him out just because he has a life (and no Internet at home, gasp). |
| 02:44:36 | scanline | no internet at home? |
| 02:44:57 | SpaceCoaster | so I believe, or maybe just not at weekends |
| 02:45:09 | scanline | When I'm talking about embedded GUIs i usuall mention all of them I know about, to be fair |
| 02:45:35 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: thats just plain sick, shouldn't tell such lies, what kinda geek would he be without a net connection at home... |
| 02:46:00 | Tangent | All this embedded gui stuff is really cool... but all this ready made X windows stuff is very convenient |
| 02:46:08 | Hiraghm | Hi! |
| 02:46:19 | scanline | Yeah... but you don't need a microdrive to run picogui or microwindows |
| 02:46:38 | prpplague | Tangent: thats what pushed gmate away from w-windows and to x |
| 02:46:49 | scanline | w-windows! |
| 02:46:50 | scanline | gasps |
| 02:47:15 | scanline | There was a w-windows based distro for the Helio |
| 02:47:21 | Hiraghm | Hi? |
| 02:47:26 | scanline | hi hiraghm |
| 02:50:03 | Hiraghm | Was just out checking the new place |
| 02:50:20 | Hiraghm | my new office will be as small as my old, but with less wall space 8c/ |
| 02:50:30 | scanline | I don't think anybody still uses the w-windows distro since I released PicoLinux for Helio, but picolinux is based on the vhl-tools romdisk |
| 02:55:18 | jacques | fltk rocks! |
| 02:56:22 | scanline | notes that fltk specifies things in pixels |
| 02:56:39 | Tangent | notes that he can drag and drop stuff in QT designer |
| 02:57:04 | scanline | hehe. I've been meaning to write a GUI builder for picogui... too much more important stuff to finish first tho |
| 02:57:36 | jacques | just get big memory working on the tuxscreen and we dont have to worry about it :-) |
| 02:57:58 | prpplague | scanline: when i get ready for a gui on my board, i'll have to try picogui... |
| 02:58:05 | scanline | :-D |
| 02:58:23 | Tangent | jacques : 16MB is enough for Blackbox, sshd, an IRC client, a couple of shells, and my stuff :) |
| 02:58:49 | jacques | Tangent: xmame is a hog |
| 02:59:08 | scanline | don't they have a framebuffer version of mame? |
| 02:59:36 | jacques | it' a hog because of the emu code |
| 02:59:55 | scanline | right, but it would save the memory taken by a GUI |
| 02:59:56 | Aelhaz | it'd be amazingly hard to controll a lot of those games with this crummy ir keyboard |
| 03:00:06 | jacques | anyone working on game controllers for the tux? |
| 03:00:15 | jacques | Aelhaz: very good point |
| 03:00:51 | jacques | wonders where his old space-orbs are |
| 03:01:07 | jacques | i have a couple of those mintendo VR gloves too |
| 03:01:13 | prpplague | alehaz/jacques: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HardwareProjects |
| 03:01:16 | Aelhaz | you could probably put an analog joystick port on j601 |
| 03:01:28 | jacques | Aelhaz: now yur talkin'! |
| 03:01:44 | jacques | wonders what j601 is. |
| 03:02:09 | Tangent | jacques : One of the two connectors that connect the top board to the bottom board |
| 03:02:41 | jacques | ah |
| 03:02:52 | jacques | damn i gotta get me some of these |
| 03:03:02 | Tangent | jacques : You sure do |
| 03:03:20 | jacques | this could be a better entertainment value than the ipaq has been |
| 03:03:41 | jacques | actually it would certainly be because these cost 1/5 as much |
| 03:03:52 | jacques | i could blow a few up and not care too much |
| 03:03:57 | jacques | :-D |
| 03:04:10 | jacques | actually I would care |
| 03:04:17 | Tangent | jacques : It sure feels good to attack them with soldering iron and dremmel :) |
| 03:04:31 | jacques | Tangent: yes I love my dremmel |
| 03:04:38 | Aelhaz | er, no, I mean J602 |
| 03:04:39 | Tangent | jacques : My other one will be getting exactly the same treatment |
| 03:04:43 | Aelhaz | the unpopulated one |
| 03:04:45 | jacques | Tangent: i have a small butane powered soldering iron |
| 03:04:53 | jacques | need more butane tho |
| 03:05:07 | Tangent | jacques : i've decided that I want more accessories for my dremmel... I have a pillar stand for it.. but I want the flexible shaft etc.. |
| 03:05:12 | Tangent | checks their website |
| 03:05:23 | jacques | i have the fex saft - somewher |
| 03:05:28 | jacques | i also have the drill press |
| 03:05:31 | jacques | :-D |
| 03:06:01 | Aelhaz | http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/j602.pdf |
| 03:07:45 | jacques | Aelhaz: thanks, printing |
| 03:08:13 | Tangent | This would be great for slicing up PCBs :) http://tele02.intouch.net/cgi-bin/eu2.storefront/836012017/Product/View/1371 |
| 03:08:13 | jacques | this thing is a hackers dream |
| 03:08:13 | Aelhaz | Tangent: I keep meaning to pick up a dremel tool. It looks like there are tons of them on ebay, mostly hardly used, for low low prices. But I just haven't gone after one yet |
| 03:08:34 | Tangent | Aelhaz : having the stand makes all the difference |
| 03:08:39 | jacques | whoah! |
| 03:08:50 | prpplague | Aelhaz: i go with tangent's 2nd com port and use the gravis stinger port |
| 03:09:04 | Aelhaz | gravis stinger? |
| 03:09:09 | jacques | prpplague: we may have a winner! |
| 03:09:14 | prpplague | alehaz/jacques: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HardwareProjects |
| 03:09:22 | Aelhaz | prpplague: whatever works tho, I guess |
| 03:09:41 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 03:09:44 | Aelhaz | i see |
| 03:10:10 | jacques | did you guys know that the microsoft sidewinder freestyle pro gamepad has a adxl202 in it? |
| 03:10:32 | jacques | same 2 axis accelerometer that I ordered samplesof yesterday |
| 03:10:54 | jacques | too bad the freestyles arent in surplus yet |
| 03:11:33 | prpplague | imagin that, m$ using something they didn't invent |
| 03:12:04 | jacques | prpplague: I was just thinking it might be a quick/easy way of getting the accelerometers |
| 03:12:26 | jacques | prpplague: but they still want $50 for those controllers even tho they didnt sell well at all |
| 03:12:36 | jacques | all the games for them sucked |
| 03:12:59 | jacques | are there any A/D convertors available on the tux? |
| 03:13:43 | Tangent | jacques : Well there's the MIC input :) |
| 03:13:54 | jacques | Tangent: what res? |
| 03:14:00 | Tangent | jacques : No idea |
| 03:14:20 | Tangent | jacques : Not even sure it's hooked up to an ADC |
| 03:14:52 | jacques | Tangent: nod |
| 03:15:14 | Tangent | jacques : I'm sure we could always add one tho :) |
| 03:17:30 | prpplague | jacques: sorry if i sounded sarcastic, what do the accelerometers usually sell for? |
| 03:20:20 | jacques | prpplague: i didnt notice the sarcasm |
| 03:20:54 | jacques | hmg |
| 03:21:23 | jacques | Tangent: think you'll be able to devote time to hacking tuxscreens for a while? |
| 03:22:08 | Tangent | jacques : Well at least until I get a job |
| 03:23:37 | jacques | Tangent: let's both take 6 months off and hack |
| 03:23:48 | jacques | :-D |
| 03:24:06 | Tangent | jacques : I've just had 4 months off.. I can't afford another 6 right now |
| 03:24:49 | jacques | yeah |
| 03:24:56 | jacques | if i take time off i need to leave CA |
| 03:25:02 | jacques | rent is too high here |
| 03:25:24 | jacques | but i could live for a while in nowhere oklahoma |
| 03:25:55 | Tangent | jacques : We just need to convince someone to give us a few million so that we can retire :) |
| 03:26:08 | Hiraghm | jacques, you need to leave california anyways |
| 03:26:14 | Hiraghm | HEY! |
| 03:26:17 | jacques | Tangent: heh |
| 03:26:22 | Hiraghm | just caught the nowhere oklahoma crack |
| 03:26:30 | jacques | snickers. |
| 03:27:02 | Hiraghm | lessee... we just leased a 2000 sq ft house for 875/month |
| 03:27:19 | Hiraghm | course, it's about 20 years old. |
| 03:27:22 | jacques | Hiraghm: a large part of my family currently lives in Norman |
| 03:27:41 | Hiraghm | People live in Norman? |
| 03:27:46 | Hiraghm | They allow that now? |
| 03:27:53 | Hiraghm | grins mischieviously |
| 03:28:01 | jacques | Hiraghm: oklahomans dont get to make fun of other oklahomans |
| 03:28:07 | Hiraghm | Yes we do. |
| 03:28:09 | Tangent | wonders who Norman is |
| 03:28:14 | Hiraghm | nods vigorously |
| 03:28:14 | jacques | Hiraghm: I am a Texan, so dont get me started. |
| 03:28:20 | Hiraghm | Ha! me too! |
| 03:28:25 | Hiraghm | has it both ways |
| 03:28:44 | Hiraghm | Tangent, Norman is a souther suburb of OKCity. Home of the U of OK Sooners. |
| 03:29:01 | Hiraghm | I was born in Ft Worth, Jacques. |
| 03:29:43 | Hiraghm | Actually, Norman's a nice little town. |
| 03:30:02 | jacques | my sister is a meteorologist |
| 03:30:17 | jacques | she chases tornadoes with her husband |
| 03:30:27 | Hiraghm | So, basically, your sister is nuts? <grin> |
| 03:30:45 | Hiraghm | She do it for the Unversity or for a news channel? |
| 03:31:24 | jacques | national severe storm center or some such |
| 03:31:35 | Hiraghm | Funny, I remember watching Twister and thinking how unlike real tornadoes it was... Then came the May 5th storm 8c( |
| 03:31:48 | jacques | :-\ |
| 03:31:50 | Hiraghm | Ahhhhhhhhh. (I thought that was connected with the university but I could easily be mistaken) |
| 03:32:30 | Hiraghm | But, you do realise what the important question is, jacques? |
| 03:33:07 | jacques | Hiraghm: I think it is |
| 03:33:31 | jacques | she was a government employee |
| 03:34:38 | jacques | my family would be in shock if i moved there |
| 03:38:19 | jacques | Hiraghm: what's the important question? |
| 03:39:53 | Hiraghm | Oh, sorry, was busy on other screen... |
| 03:40:01 | jacques | np |
| 03:40:05 | Hiraghm | the important question is.. does she have a tuxscreen? |
| 03:40:10 | jacques | heh |
| 03:40:25 | jacques | her oldest kid could use one |
| 03:40:58 | Hiraghm | BZ left, huh? |
| 03:41:26 | Hiraghm | I don't know my new zipcode, so I'll have to order the 2nd tux tomorrow. |
| 03:41:50 | jacques | Hiraghm: you dont know your zip code?? |
| 03:41:55 | jacques | did you just move? |
| 03:42:10 | Hiraghm | I'm in the process of moving. Just sold my house today. |
| 03:43:00 | jacques | wonders if tuxscreens would make good christmas gifts for his family. |
| 03:56:46 | Tangent | jacques : Buy them anyway... and if they don't like them, they can give them back :) |
| 03:57:22 | GPSFan | Tangent: howdy, how did your serial port work out? |
| 03:57:34 | Tangent | GPSFan : Flawless Victory :) |
| 03:58:21 | GPSFan | Tangent: great, I saw someone was looking for a powersupply earlier. have you looked at Marlin P. Jones? |
| 03:58:23 | Tangent | GPSFan : My TUxScreen is now running my office automation stuff natively.. my homebuilt stuff on the new serial port, and my x10 controller in the original port. |
| 03:58:54 | GPSFan | Tangent: pics?? |
| 03:59:21 | Tangent | GPSFan : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/Shanip232-Top.jpg http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/Shanip232-Bottom.jpg http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/Shanip232-Fitted.jpg |
| 04:00:00 | Tangent | should have re-done the last one... in-focus |
| 04:00:29 | GPSFan | Tangent: out of focus yes, but gets the point across. |
| 04:00:50 | Hiraghm | Tangent, is the X10 stuff very expensive to get set up? |
| 04:02:06 | Tangent | Hiraghm : I picked up my X10 kits cheap at my local hardware store.. They were selling a kit with 1xComputer Interface 1xLamp Controller 1xAppliance controller for £30 GBP |
| 04:02:33 | Tangent | Hiraghm : I picked up 2 of them, and 2 kits with Timer modules instead of Computer interfaces (again £30 each) |
| 04:05:19 | Hiraghm | hm... bout 50 |
| 04:05:23 | Hiraghm | in us dollarz |
| 04:06:06 | Tangent | Hiraghm : That's about 1/3 the supposed retail price... that's why I bought four kits |
| 04:07:00 | Hiraghm | ooh |
| 04:14:55 | GPSFan | jacques: were you looking for a power supply solution for Tux? |
| 04:17:38 | scanline | thinks enlightenment is broken... |
| 04:19:20 | Tangent | goes to bed... Night all |
| 04:29:48 | jacques | where did he go? |
| 04:29:49 | jacques | hmg |
| 04:59:15 | GoRK | gpsfan: yo |
| 05:00:02 | GoRK | err never mind he left |
| 05:01:02 | GoRK | drat |
| 05:12:01 | rfbrown | GoRK: Got me a linux phone! |
| 05:12:09 | GoRK | cool! |
| 05:12:29 | GoRK | rfbrown: i posted a newer pcb design at www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork7.pcb |
| 05:13:35 | rfbrown | I was trying to decide what graphics engine to use, then when I saw who the maintainers of PicoGUI were, just had to go for that one :-) |
| 05:18:35 | GoRK | haha and here he is now |
| 05:19:32 | GoRK | to be fair cosmicpenguin is a maintainer of microwindows also |
| 05:23:29 | scanline | hi GoRK |
| 05:23:47 | scanline | i got frustrated with enlightenment, so I installed KDE... now i'm frustrated with it too |
| 05:23:59 | GoRK | hrm |
| 05:36:48 | rfbrown | GoRK: What value is C3? Not 10uF by the look of it... |
| 06:02:15 | cory | \ |
| 06:02:20 | cory | oops |
| 06:08:24 | GoRK | rfbrown: c3 and c8 are .1uf non polarized.. from shanip2. the only thing different about this schematic is the replacement of jacks with stereo ones and the transformer.. |
| 06:13:54 | GoRK | rfbrown: is a transformer the only way to isolate this gnd problem? |
| 06:15:03 | GoRK | scanline: hey |
| 06:15:14 | scanline | hey GoRK |
| 06:15:20 | scanline | Gnome+sawfish is better... |
| 06:15:30 | GoRK | scanline: bah. gnome |
| 06:15:34 | GoRK | scanline: anyway... |
| 06:15:39 | GoRK | scanline: can you test something for me? |
| 06:15:43 | scanline | Enlightenment is still the WM that's most 'my style' |
| 06:15:49 | scanline | probably |
| 06:16:19 | GoRK | do you have the ability to connect both your computer audio and your tuxscreen to your speakers at the same time? |
| 06:16:47 | scanline | i could plug my Tux into the line in, but i don't think i have the right cable |
| 06:17:13 | GoRK | hrm... well i guess you could make sox output to a file for playback later... |
| 06:17:38 | GoRK | basically i have found that there seems to be AC hum getting on the mic lines if something is plugged into the line-in on shanip2 |
| 06:18:05 | GoRK | i used a transformer to quell it but wanted to know if you experienced the same problem. |
| 06:18:11 | GoRK | headphones obviously wont cause it |
| 06:18:29 | rfbrown | GoRK: Not sure about the transformer. Perhaps some resistance in series with each of the connections to line out - say 4k7 or something. |
| 06:18:49 | GoRK | 4k or 47k? |
| 06:19:09 | scanline | hmm... so would that show up if i plugged 1 set of speakers into the tux and another into my computer? |
| 06:19:22 | scanline | or speakers in the tux, headphones in the computer? |
| 06:19:33 | GoRK | yes |
| 06:19:39 | GoRK | hang on a sec |
| 06:21:22 | rfbrown | GoRK: Say between 2k and 5k. I think the input resistance of your average amplifier is about 50k, and you want to be quite a bit lower than that |
| 06:30:11 | cory | hmmmm.... |
| 06:30:28 | GoRK | ok back |
| 06:30:48 | GoRK | scanline: yeah that should work. ... i am just netcatting /dev/dsp from the tux to sox and listening to it |
| 06:30:55 | cory | is typing on a keyboard without keys |
| 06:30:56 | GoRK | nc -l -p 5000 | sox -t .sw -r 8000 - |
| 06:30:58 | GoRK | -t ossdsp /dev/dsp |
| 06:31:00 | GoRK | nc -l -p 5000 | sox -t .sw -r 8000 - |
| 06:31:05 | GoRK | sorry |
| 06:31:14 | GoRK | nc -l -p 5000 | sox -t .sw -r 8000 - -t ossdsp /dev/dsp |
| 06:31:27 | GoRK | and cat /dev/dsp | nc 192.168.1.101 5000 on the tux |
| 06:31:37 | scanline | GoRK: mmmkay... I'll get this hooked up |
| 06:31:55 | GoRK | the tux doesnt have to be playing sound |
| 06:32:11 | scanline | ok |
| 06:36:25 | GoRK | hrm perhaps we can rid ourselves of this problem without a transformer by balancing with spkr- |
| 06:36:56 | scanline | yeah, i'm getting a hum |
| 06:37:06 | GoRK | yep. good |
| 06:37:13 | scanline | with or without speakers plugged in |
| 06:37:15 | GoRK | it goes away when you unplug the line right? |
| 06:37:32 | GoRK | yeah ... that we need to get rid of |
| 06:37:46 | scanline | so maybe i'm talking about a different hum... |
| 06:38:03 | GoRK | ? the audio should be nice and clean |
| 06:38:06 | scanline | wait, my speakers were muted |
| 06:38:37 | GoRK | if you pick up the handset and talk you should hear it from the computer lound and clear but when you plug in the line you hear a hum |
| 06:39:14 | scanline | i've got a small hum that doesn't change depending on whether speakers are plugged in |
| 06:39:27 | GoRK | hmm |
| 06:39:35 | GoRK | how are your speakers hooked up? |
| 06:39:37 | GoRK | err |
| 06:39:42 | GoRK | how is your jack hooked up? |
| 06:40:00 | GoRK | one side to signal gnd the other side to - of c5? |
| 06:40:08 | scanline | yes |
| 06:40:44 | scanline | lemme try different speakers... |
| 06:40:49 | GoRK | i get a really low frequency hum |
| 06:41:21 | scanline | this is more of a crackle |
| 06:41:39 | scanline | maybe I'll send you the recording :) |
| 06:41:45 | GoRK | i am running my connections over 30 gauge wire that is bundled together.. that may be some of it.. i hope that this transfer is not necessary |
| 06:41:53 | GoRK | transfer/transformer |
| 06:42:12 | scanline | maybe... of course you know about my little mess i used to implement shanip2 :) |
| 06:42:27 | GoRK | yeah too bad you dont still have this on the breadboard |
| 06:42:38 | scanline | yeah... i needed the desk space though |
| 06:45:04 | GoRK | when my pots and jacks get here im going to make one of these boards with space for the transformer and see how it goes |
| 06:45:58 | scanline | k |
| 06:47:34 | scanline | finally has gnome configured correctly |
| 06:47:46 | Sammy | BZFlag : already do it , but still wait my toy :) |
| 06:49:26 | GoRK | argh i do not want to have to put a bunch of transformers on this circut :(( |
| 06:49:46 | andersee | what're you making? |
| 06:51:50 | GoRK | shanip2 |
| 06:51:57 | GoRK | i have a ground loop on line out |
| 06:52:15 | GoRK | trying to get rid of it w/o a transformer |
| 06:53:54 | rfbrown | GoRK: PicoGUI is cool! I meant 4k before. I've updated the schematic, but don't have a website- if you're interested I'll e-mail it to you. |
| 06:54:23 | andersee | GoRK: ugh. ground loops are ugly. |
| 06:54:53 | andersee | GoRK: is that inherent in the current shanip2 design? |
| 06:55:26 | GoRK | rfbrown: it's all good... i have some 2.2k's on there and it seems ok.. testing output now |
| 06:55:33 | GoRK | rfbrown: i will try 4k |
| 06:56:39 | scanline | rfbrown: Ah, you tried GoRK's jffs2 images? |
| 06:58:18 | rfbrown | scanline: Yep. I've got a bunch of zombies and a pointer that's off by 3mm, but who cares- that's a damned fine looking penguin! |
| 06:58:34 | GoRK | err never mind |
| 06:58:48 | rfbrown | GoRK: never mind what? |
| 06:58:58 | GoRK | never mind 2.2k i dunno if it fixed anything |
| 06:59:02 | scanline | rfbrown: zombies, eh? the pointer should be better once fbtuxcal is in there |
| 06:59:12 | scanline | (microwindows is using the same penguin :) |
| 07:01:06 | GoRK | i need to get new images done |
| 07:01:13 | GoRK | w/ dsp and pgtuxphone |
| 07:01:21 | scanline | I need to get my arse in gear and fix some bugs |
| 07:01:23 | GoRK | btw does pgtuxphone do callerid yet? |
| 07:01:35 | scanline | GoRK: It should, but i don't have callerid so i haven't tested it |
| 07:02:41 | GoRK | i should do that |
| 07:02:51 | GoRK | can you send me a binary? :) lol |
| 07:03:02 | scanline | hmm |
| 07:03:07 | scanline | I'll send you a PowerPC binary :) |
| 07:03:15 | GoRK | that was a joke btw |
| 07:03:21 | scanline | so was that |
| 07:04:32 | scanline | Maybe once I get a bigger hard disk i'll start collecting esoteric cross-compilers, and put up binaries for everything except x86! |
| 07:05:03 | scanline | "click here to download pgserver for PDP-11" |
| 07:05:07 | GoRK | scanline: i think i can hear what you are talking about... it seems once the ucb1200 starts outputting audio the audio input gets some high frequency stuff on it that doesnt go away until you close and open /dev/dsp again |
| 07:05:27 | scanline | it wasn't really high frequency... |
| 07:05:33 | GoRK | this is a new sound |
| 07:05:40 | scanline | more of a neutral frequency |
| 07:05:53 | cory | neutral frequency? |
| 07:06:00 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:06:18 | andersee | the sound you here when flying through the neutral zone... |
| 07:06:22 | GoRK | high frequency |
| 07:06:45 | GoRK | scanline: are you stoned again? |
| 07:06:55 | scanline | GoRK: Nah, just in need of more caffeine |
| 07:08:54 | rfbrown | GoRK: The transformer may be ugly, but it's the most trustworthy way of killing the ground loop. Perhaps if you just try to make friends with it ;-) |
| 07:10:47 | GoRK | it is so humongous |
| 07:10:50 | GoRK | and expensive! |
| 07:11:09 | GoRK | i fear having to need one on line in as well :( |
| 07:11:39 | GoRK | 4.7k resistors kill it |
| 07:11:58 | GoRK | but i am having some WEIRD problem |
| 07:12:25 | GoRK | it's going to be weird to eliminate it also |
| 07:13:15 | GoRK | if i start recording from ucb1200 (and listening to the output fromt the recording process on another computer) and then i start playing audio from ucb1200, i get a high pitched noise |
| 07:13:24 | GoRK | it stops once i stop the recording and restart it |
| 07:14:07 | andersee | Mic feedback? |
| 07:14:23 | GoRK | andersee: shouldnt be. there is no mic hooked up... |
| 07:14:30 | GoRK | it's ver quiet |
| 07:14:32 | GoRK | very |
| 07:14:59 | rfbrown | Is it a constant tone? |
| 07:15:22 | GoRK | yes more or less. high pitched. i could probably measure it |
| 07:15:27 | GoRK | the frequency |
| 07:16:26 | andersee | Does your recording actually record the noise for us to enjoy? |
| 07:16:42 | GoRK | yeah i can give it to you :) |
| 07:17:47 | andersee | heh. |
| 07:17:58 | andersee | Just checking.... |
| 07:19:08 | rfbrown | GoRK: Did you do that same test with the transformer in? And how was your line out volume with 4k7? |
| 07:20:34 | GoRK | line out volume was acceptable |
| 07:20:54 | GoRK | a little quieter |
| 07:21:26 | GoRK | i should probably use smaller resistors. 2.2k seemed to work and was louder |
| 07:22:41 | rfbrown | Or you could revise the earthing for your whole system... are the mains leads on your amplifier and computer earthed? |
| 07:23:19 | GoRK | i dont think the speakers are |
| 07:23:43 | GoRK | the resistors dont fix it.. they just quiet the problem |
| 07:26:47 | rfbrown | OK, what's the setup again? Head phone out -> speakers, line out -> PC, Serial port -> PC ? Anything else? |
| 07:28:11 | GoRK | nono |
| 07:29:05 | GoRK | line out-> speakers, ucb1200 recording (from no input) to tuxscreen. this recorded data is then sent over the network to the pc which plays it through a s/pdif connection to the same speakers |
| 07:29:22 | GoRK | the transformer is the way to go |
| 07:30:04 | GoRK | well you know what else... the people that are going to do mp3 players in their cars with tuxscreen will need it bigtime |
| 07:30:22 | GoRK | argh i think an animal got in my chimney |
| 07:31:16 | rfbrown | Oh yeah... I forgot the network. I GOTTA get one of those! Maybe Santa on a practice run? |
| 07:46:18 | SteveD | Tangent: reading back in the logs - 32MB SODIMMs can be ordered from www.crucial.co.uk |
| 07:49:02 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SODIMM <- order links |
| 07:50:43 | andersee | BZFlag: and those now work just fine? |
| 07:56:24 | BZFlag | andersee: not yet. SpaceCoaster's patch works on the 32M but does not use the 8M on board. |
| 07:56:35 | andersee | ahh |
| 07:56:39 | BZFlag | he is building another rev with the suggestions I've made. |
| 07:56:50 | BZFlag | this one should be good for any config. |
| 07:57:10 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InfernoSODIMM |
| 07:57:18 | andersee | using the 2 meg aliasing thing? |
| 07:57:24 | BZFlag | uses memory location aliases to get fewer larger blocks. |
| 07:57:28 | BZFlag | yeah. |
| 07:58:09 | andersee | would be nice to be mmufull in the bootloader |
| 07:58:53 | BZFlag | not setting up the mmu, just passing the aliased blocks to the kernel. |
| 07:59:40 | GoRK | what about 64mb+ sodimm's |
| 07:59:41 | BZFlag | being mmufull in the bootloader disagrees with rmk for some reason. |
| 07:59:52 | andersee | saw that thread... |
| 08:00:07 | BZFlag | GoRK: no. the other 32M and the 64M need a12 and the tux does not route it. |
| 08:00:18 | GoRK | can we wire it up somehow? |
| 08:00:31 | BZFlag | GoRK: if the board was fixed, they should work too. |
| 08:00:48 | andersee | right. I'd guess it is using A12 and A13 for bank switching... |
| 08:01:19 | BZFlag | there is an a12 on the sa1100, no? just that it does not route to the sodimm slot on the tux |
| 08:01:31 | andersee | yup. |
| 08:01:57 | GoRK | that shouldnt be hard to fix then... does it just wire directly to it or are there components between? |
| 08:02:23 | BZFlag | digs out his 64M sodimm... |
| 08:02:58 | BZFlag | andersee: there are twice as many chips on the 64M do it may be wired to a bank switch on the sodimm itself. |
| 08:03:06 | BZFlag | GoRK: no idea. |
| 08:03:23 | andersee | maybe. How many chips? |
| 08:03:28 | andersee | 8? 16? |
| 08:03:35 | BZFlag | 4 on the normal, 8 on the 64M |
| 08:04:31 | andersee | On a 144 pin sodimm there are two banks. Dunno on a 72 pin one... |
| 08:04:58 | BZFlag | data sheet links on the wiki. |
| 08:06:22 | GoRK | has anyone looked more at the 2.4.13-etc problems in the last couple days? i tried a jffs root fs and it still pooped |
| 08:07:44 | andersee | I compiled it up with russ' latest, but havn't had a chance to try it yet... |
| 08:08:05 | GoRK | russ's latest from a few days ago? |
| 08:08:26 | GoRK | ooh never mind i see a tux2 now |
| 08:44:47 | GoRK | how do i ask the kernel to mount the root fs as rw instead of ro |
| 09:13:41 | GoRK | duh sorry |
| 09:13:45 | GoRK | stupid |
| 09:15:21 | GoRK | utuxscreen:~# uname -a |
| 09:15:22 | GoRK | Linux tuxscreen 2.4.13-ac5-rmk2-tux2 #3 Thu Nov 8 04:12:14 CST 2001 armv4l unknown |
| 09:15:38 | scanline | woohoo! congrats! |
| 09:15:44 | GoRK | nfs root :-/ |
| 09:15:49 | scanline | cheater... |
| 09:15:50 | GoRK | im sure im not the first |
| 09:15:53 | scanline | ;) |
| 09:16:05 | GoRK | one oops during init |
| 09:16:20 | BZFlag | GoRK: and you hang if you mount mtd from there? |
| 09:16:21 | GoRK | Flags: nZCv IRQs off FIQs on Mode SVC_32 Segment user |
| 09:16:21 | GoRK | Control: C816317F Table: C816317F DAC: 00000015 |
| 09:16:22 | GoRK | Process hwclock (pid: 184, stackpage=c03cd000) |
| 09:16:23 | scanline | well, as long as you can test the new ucb1200 driver |
| 09:16:31 | BZFlag | what about reading and writing to the mtd? |
| 09:17:12 | GoRK | BZFlag: reading works fine. mtd is mounted ro right now with no apparent problems |
| 09:17:14 | BZFlag | hmm.. and how did you get to nfs without mounting mtd? |
| 09:17:28 | BZFlag | ah |
| 09:17:39 | GoRK | about to try rw |
| 09:27:24 | GoRK | hrm it wont mount it again |
| 09:28:16 | GoRK | ooh i think that was just with my nfs server |
| 09:28:26 | GoRK | im running reiserfs so it's a little wonky |
| 12:34:57 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: put my tux back to 8M SODIMM and my mongoose still isn't working right.. ;-( same 53s etc. So at least its not the 32M stuff that causes the problem |
| 12:35:30 | Tangent | SteveD : Good that it's not the memory I suppose... |
| 12:39:18 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm guess that limits it to user error? <grin> |
| 12:40:46 | SteveD | MicroChip32: probably. but don't rush me. I'm already making mistakes as fast as I can |
| 12:41:59 | SteveD | i think I'll order some more tuxes and put this one to a non-telephony use... |
| 12:42:26 | SteveD | anyhow - must get in to work so tty'all later |
| 12:45:55 | MicroChip32 | lol SteveD :) |
| 12:58:22 | Tangent | GPSFan : Morning |
| 12:58:34 | GPSFan | Tangent: good morning! |
| 12:59:12 | GPSFan | Tangent: I guess I never got an answer last night about the power supply question. |
| 12:59:44 | Tangent | checks scroll buffer |
| 13:00:39 | Tangent | GPSFan : I am about to look for MArlin Jones |
| 13:01:41 | GPSFan | Tangent: this is the one I was going to suggest: http://www.mpja.com/product.asp?product=12926+PS |
| 13:02:15 | Tangent | GPSFan : Ah.. the Astec ones... Yeah.. we were looking at them yesterday |
| 13:02:37 | Tangent | GPSFan : I found a very promising looking unit that did 5v +3.3v at about 5A each... |
| 13:02:45 | Tangent | GPSFan : But it wanted 36-75V on the input |
| 13:03:16 | GPSFan | that one plus a 1.5A LDO from DigiKey at < $2US would make a nice Tux mobile supply |
| 13:04:10 | Tangent | GPSFan : it was jacques who was looking.. and kinda me.. but I'll probably end up building my own converter... |
| 13:04:29 | Tangent | GPSFan : I want 3.3, 5 and a very very intelligent 12V |
| 13:05:28 | GPSFan | ok, I've hag good luck with MPJA before and I thought I'd pass along the contact. they buy overstock & surplus stuff, and at least for power supply stuff, sell it at reasonable prices. |
| 13:05:35 | GPSFan | s/hag/had |
| 13:06:46 | GPSFan | Tangent: what do you mean by very vert intelligent? |
| 13:07:03 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yeah.. prices look good... but it's 6000 miles in the wrong direction for me |
| 13:07:30 | GPSFan | Tangent: I wonder if they would ship to the UK? |
| 13:08:30 | GPSFan | Tangent: yep they do but with restrictions. |
| 13:08:30 | Tangent | GPSFan : I have small (106Watt) solar setup here... I want to charge my battery mainly from the sun... occasionally, I want to feed in some juice from the mains... sometimes I want to keep the battery at it's current voltage (i.e. neither charge or discharge), and use mains to power 12V devices... and I want it all at about 10A |
| 13:09:10 | Tangent | GPSFan : By the time I pay shipping, and import tax, it'll cost me more than sourcing something in the UK |
| 13:10:22 | GPSFan | Tangent: I see, oh well, maybe there is someone in the UK that does the same. You need a good charge controller. |
| 13:11:06 | Tangent | GPSFan : I was thinking of using a PIC |
| 13:11:40 | Tangent | GPSFan : Microchip (the company.. not the guy) have a reference design for a PIC based battery charger (with rs232 port.. and Windows software etc) |
| 13:11:58 | GPSFan | Tangent: PIC's are some of the best solutions to all sorts of problems there are. |
| 13:12:35 | Tangent | GPSFan : Given the price/performance ratio on PICS, I don't see why I should bother with 7400 series logic any more really |
| 13:13:45 | Tangent | Goodbye 555... you've been replaced with a 4MHz cpu that generates all my clocks :) |
| 13:14:35 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 57 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: ah [Thu Nov 8 09:17:28 2001] |
| 13:14:35 | EGg0 | ibot seen BZFlag |
| 13:14:44 | Tangent | GPSFan : Actually.. I discovered yesterday that my handhelds scope is PIC powered :) |
| 13:16:13 | GPSFan | Tangent: :>)) |
| 13:22:17 | Tangent | GPSFan : Just a quick screenshot... all running native on the tux now... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/tux.jpg |
| 13:23:21 | Tangent | Hmm.. maybe I could redesign the interface today to actually fit on the screen :) |
| 13:23:52 | GPSFan | Tangent: ooo! thats real nice, probably the first instance of a real non-phone app for the Tux, and not just a demo either. |
| 13:24:23 | Tangent | GPSFan : Nope.. running for real.. X10 in the inbuilt serial port.. my stuff on the new serial port :) |
| 13:25:37 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 13:26:32 | Tangent | GPSFan : I guess I should work out how to upload stuff to tuxscreen.net... BZflag set me up yesterday, so all I have to do now is work out what I've got to do |
| 13:27:36 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: what'd you write that with ? |
| 13:28:02 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I just did the interface in QT designer.. my mate actually wrote all the code.. it's C++ |
| 13:28:04 | GPSFan | Tangent: I've been putting schematic related stuff in the /download/schematics dir. we should sort it all out, and do up a couple of wikki pages that point to all of your stuff. |
| 13:28:24 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yep... and I'm not doing anything else right now :) |
| 13:30:43 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: what sort of sensors do you have in use. just temp? or things like humidity too? |
| 13:30:57 | MicroChip32 | aka things important to a computer lab |
| 13:31:38 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : So far just temperature... I'm using the Dallas DS1820 temp sensors.. I have six sensor busses, so theoretically, I can support thousands of the things... and all of the other 1-wire stuff too |
| 13:31:59 | MicroChip32 | nice |
| 13:32:16 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Oh.. and I've measuting battery and panel voltaages too ... I've got 11 analog inputs on a data acquisition box wired up to a PIC |
| 13:32:32 | GPSFan | Tangent: how do you talk to the DS1820's, same PIC? |
| 13:32:34 | MicroChip32 | kewl |
| 13:32:40 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I will measure current & mains voltages etc just as soon as I work out the analog electronics parts |
| 13:33:03 | Tangent | GPSFan : I'll publish a schematic of my board.. one sec... |
| 13:36:37 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/HomeAutomation/PICBoard-GND-RR.pdf |
| 13:39:39 | GPSFan | hmmm, BZ has competition, Tiger Direct is selling the Compaq desktop iPaq for $99US http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-Details.asp?sku=C860-A783 |
| 13:40:15 | Tangent | GPSFan : Hmm.. I might have to get me some of them too :) |
| 13:40:26 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:40:29 | Tangent | GPSFan : 32MB Ram, 16MB flash |
| 13:40:40 | GPSFan | Tangent: are they SA1100 or x86? |
| 13:41:25 | prpplague | get what? get what? you find a new cool gadget??? |
| 13:41:35 | GPSFan | prpplague: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-Details.asp?sku=C860-A783 |
| 13:41:41 | Tangent | GPSFan : Since it has 4xUSB ports, I'd suspect that it's not an SA1100.. unless it's got the companion chip too |
| 13:41:48 | Tangent | GPSFan : Which would be even cooler :) |
| 13:42:40 | Tangent | GPSFan : Shall we get some and pull them apart? :) |
| 13:43:02 | Tangent | can't affort to right now, but for $99, can't afford not to |
| 13:43:31 | Tangent | But I don't want to do it unless we can get rid of all that M$ cruft on there |
| 13:43:55 | GPSFan | Tangent: I'd love too, but have too many irons in the fire, and unfinished projects. with an 800 x 600 screen it compares favoribly to the iOpener. |
| 13:45:56 | prpplague | GPSFan: can you order one without signing up for a service? |
| 13:46:31 | GPSFan | prpplague: since it's tiger direct I believe so, I don't see any TOS requirements. |
| 13:46:48 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll see about ordering one in |
| 13:58:57 | Tangent | IA1 has a AMD K6 @266MHz |
| 14:01:36 | Tangent | Ack.. tiger direct don't have a box for non-us customers to enter their country... |
| 14:02:02 | prpplague | i guess you could use a usb ethernet doggle |
| 14:14:45 | Tangent | Hmm.. that IA1 doesn't have a touchscreen |
| 14:20:53 | EGg0 | is away: Have to study and clean the house. |
| 14:21:34 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: also says "doesnt support aol, etc" which makes me wonder how much hardware-customized it is for microshaft |
| 14:22:08 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Nah.. I think that's just because AOL don't have a CE version of their software |
| 14:22:17 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm could be |
| 14:22:27 | MicroChip32 | no touch screen? screw it then :) |
| 14:22:38 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm perhaps i should reword that |
| 14:30:12 | prpplague | damm, should have kept my mouth shut, boss wants to get linux running on that thing, say he's a job site he wants to sell about 400 units to |
| 14:42:42 | SteveD_atwork | Hmmm - us foreigners have to order from tigerdirect by calling them ;-( |
| 14:42:54 | Tangent | SteveD : Hmm sucks |
| 14:43:09 | Tangent | SteveD : I've already decieded that I'm not going to bother ordering one |
| 14:43:37 | SteveD_atwork | Ameri-centric alert on their "FAQ on international orders": >"How do I enter an overseas phone number to call your account managers?". Ans: "Dial 011 in front of your phone number". |
| 14:43:43 | SteveD_atwork | too bad only the US uses 011... |
| 14:44:03 | SteveD_atwork | sorry - the "North American numbering plan" |
| 14:44:21 | SteveD_atwork | Tangent: some more Tux's instead? |
| 14:44:51 | Tangent | SteveD : Yeah.. sooner or later.. really need to get another job before I got spending money on more toys tho' |
| 14:45:00 | SteveD_atwork | seeing mine is an ex mongoose, goneto meet its maker and all that |
| 14:45:43 | SteveD_atwork | well - I'm at work but things are slow - pitfall of fixed connection to home means distraction always at hand |
| 14:46:24 | Tangent | SteveD : I still have one of my two tuxes with inferno on it.. haven't got the first one off my desk yet |
| 14:47:11 | SteveD_atwork | Tangent: you seem to be making good progress getting one into service with your home automation stuff though |
| 14:47:40 | Tangent | SteveD : Well basically it's already in service... now I just need to bug my coder mates to write the application for me some more |
| 14:48:46 | SteveD_atwork | as long as there's a web interface so we can put the kettle on for you |
| 14:49:15 | Tangent | SteveD : Now that's a very good idea... I should have a button so that people can order me pizza too :) |
| 14:49:24 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 14:49:37 | SteveD_atwork | offers Tangent a nice cuppa tea |
| 14:49:44 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: add voice synth and recog and you can have the tux order the pizza ;) |
| 14:50:05 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I already have flite working on the Tux.. It talks to me already |
| 14:50:05 | SteveD_atwork | BTW, did anyone with shanip try out flite on the tux? |
| 14:50:11 | SteveD_atwork | spooky |
| 14:50:18 | MicroChip32 | rotfl rotfl |
| 14:50:20 | MicroChip32 | gmta |
| 14:50:27 | Tangent | Hmm.. yeah... must be a case of great minds thinking alike :) |
| 14:50:34 | SteveD_atwork | not likely that |
| 14:50:34 | MicroChip32 | slapps his forehead |
| 14:50:46 | Niddix_away | This is going to be a major stupid question.. But.. can blob read CF memory cards? |
| 14:51:32 | Tangent | Niddix : Not right now it can't |
| 14:51:46 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: what audio output does it use? the speaker[phone] or a shanip output? |
| 14:52:05 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Depends on what buttons I've pressed (and having tuxphone running) |
| 14:53:05 | collord | Tangent: re flite did you use the arm binary or use source? |
| 14:53:10 | SteveD_atwork | let me install flite on my video box in the lounge. have it say "Don't touch that dial" when the kids change channels on my recordings... |
| 14:53:27 | Tangent | collord : I downloaded the binary that was posted to the iPAQ mailing lists in august |
| 14:53:42 | SteveD_atwork | is flite hard to build from source then? |
| 14:54:05 | Tangent | I never found the source... not that I even looked |
| 14:54:22 | Tangent | The binary was there, so I did a wget.. and it worked first time :) |
| 14:55:17 | Niddix | Tangent: Maybe you could put it in tuxscreen.net/download ;) |
| 14:55:39 | Tangent | Niddix : Yeah.. I'll do that... just as soon as I work out how to upload... |
| 14:55:53 | Tangent | Right now tho.. I've got to pop out for 40 mins |
| 14:56:14 | collord | cool. 11 mb of source x-arch. had me scared. |
| 14:56:32 | SteveD_atwork | someone tell me its ok to drop another $140 on another tux + shipping. |
| 14:57:28 | SteveD_atwork | hears silence. so its not, then? |
| 14:57:38 | MicroChip32 | SteveD: only if you have that much |
| 14:57:39 | Tangent | SteveD : It's OK... You'd only spend it on beer/women/<insert vice here> otherwise :) |
| 14:57:44 | MicroChip32 | hehe |
| 14:59:01 | prpplague | cat /tmp/paycheck > /dev/wife |
| 14:59:04 | SteveD_atwork | there's already 4 linux and 1 windows box in the study, another linux box in the lounge, couple of old laptops. so clearly another linux toy is required |
| 14:59:32 | Tangent | SteveD : Waterproof one for bath-time use ;) |
| 14:59:41 | SteveD_atwork | my bank account seems to be chmod a+r |
| 14:59:50 | collord | in the buildroot-tux kernel tree, can I just edit .config and cd .. and make? |
| 15:00:07 | collord | i've been having problems compiling like that. |
| 15:00:18 | SteveD_atwork | collord: you need to rm arch/arm/boot/zImage or the buildrroot-tux won't remake the kernel |
| 15:00:34 | collord | okay, but it fails compiling even |
| 15:01:10 | collord | oh yeah, and i made clean first |
| 15:01:11 | SteveD_atwork | collord: after changing the config setup maybe you must make clean etc? |
| 15:01:25 | SteveD_atwork | looks over shoulder again |
| 15:01:34 | collord | and even made dep because it looked like buildroot script didn't do that |
| 15:01:46 | Tangent | I find that make distclean often helps... but you have to copy the config across again, and do a make oldconfig again |
| 15:01:56 | SteveD_atwork | collord: and you get a compile failure? like how? |
| 15:02:32 | collord | SteveD_at_work: I added CONFIG_IPV6 and get a bunch of errors relating to that |
| 15:02:58 | SteveD_atwork | collord: why edit .config, why not use make menuconfig or so? |
| 15:03:56 | collord | SteveD: ooh it works |
| 15:04:22 | SteveD_atwork | collord: what? menuconfig? it should all work just like a non-cross-compile kernel |
| 15:05:33 | collord | SteveD: yeah just menuconfig. don't know why i didn't expect it to |
| 15:07:05 | collord | are kernel tweaks required for nfsroot or is it done via initrd or something? |
| 15:10:25 | collord | answer to self, no |
| 15:27:50 | Squart | Tangent you said you made you own home automation system. Is it comparable to the X10 system? |
| 15:32:40 | SteveD_atwork | 2 more Tuxes on the way. :-)) |
| 15:35:01 | SteveD_atwork | still love my cable modem - 70 kB/s |
| 15:35:07 | SteveD_atwork | downloading flite |
| 15:37:58 | collord | hurrah, compile didn't barf. there must have been a dependency i ignored that menuconfig got. |
| 15:43:27 | Tangent | is back |
| 15:44:07 | Tangent | Squart : I'm still in the process of making home automation stuff.. at the moment it just controlls one room.. my office |
| 15:44:23 | Tangent | Squart : It's Far better than X10 stuff :).. (I do have some X10 stuff too tho) |
| 15:47:45 | Squart | Tangent: do they run over your main AC wires as well? |
| 15:49:10 | Tangent | Squart : Nope.. It's all in one big box on the wall at the moment... |
| 15:49:35 | Tangent | Squart : I was going to run a little 3wire network over my house for my boxes to communicate over... (i only have one box right now tho) |
| 15:49:44 | Squart | aha... I off now.. buying a laser printer for PCB's ;-) |
| 15:49:51 | Squart | bye |
| 15:50:52 | Niddix | Tanget: Is all your stuff homebuilt? |
| 15:51:05 | Tangent | Niddix : Yep :) |
| 15:52:00 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/9.jpg and http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/16.jpg show two of the three layers in my officeautomation box |
| 15:52:11 | Niddix | Tangent: I am in the process of building a house. I was considering either X10 controllers or possibly some sort of 12v control circuit for everything to a centralized location. |
| 15:53:15 | Tangent | Niddix : I was planning on three control boxes.. one in the loft to control upstairs.. one in here doing office, outside lights etc.. and one under the stairs for the rest of downstaits |
| 15:53:33 | prpplague | Niddix: every time Tangent turns his bathroom light on half the trains on the underground stop |
| 15:54:00 | Niddix | prpplague: cackle |
| 15:54:16 | Niddix | Tanget: I have to admit the idea of not needing controll wires is compelling. |
| 15:54:24 | prpplague | Niddix: you check out his pics, his boards look pretty cool |
| 15:54:40 | Niddix | prpplague: Yeah I'm looking at it now. |
| 15:54:56 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 15:55:10 | Tangent | Niddix : There's some other pics in that directory too... The office being done out for my machines |
| 15:56:05 | Hiraghm | Tangent, if you guys see BZFlag, could you give him a message for me? |
| 15:56:05 | Tangent | Niddix : I designed a clocked three wire bus for PIC to PIC communication... (receiveing end clocks in the bytes, so I don't have to worry about timing) |
| 15:56:11 | prh | whats the sound like on the tux? good enough to play mp3's in stereo? |
| 15:56:20 | Tangent | Hiraghm : ibot can deliver messages |
| 15:56:24 | Hiraghm | how? |
| 15:56:28 | Tangent | Hiraghm : do /query ibot botmail help |
| 15:56:36 | Tangent | or /msg even |
| 15:56:39 | Hiraghm | aw man.. I'm pressed for time... okay, thanks |
| 15:57:04 | Tangent | ibot message for Tangent : Hiraghm doesn't know how to send messages |
| 15:57:42 | Tangent | ibot message for Hiraghm : You should receive messages when ibot hears you speak |
| 15:59:22 | Tangent | Niddix : Oh.. here's the schematic for the board.. http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/HomeAutomation/PICBoard-GND-RR.pdf |
| 16:03:11 | Niddix | Tangent: Slick. |
| 16:03:19 | Tangent | Niddix : Thanks |
| 16:03:47 | Tangent | Niddix : Sadly I still need to spend months working on the application to control it all.. and the firmware code on the board itself |
| 16:04:06 | Niddix | Tangent: Whats COM2 for? A second controller? |
| 16:04:08 | Tangent | Niddix : At the moment my error checking is something like... if error then reset |
| 16:04:22 | Tangent | Niddix : OK... here's the story.... in gory detail.... |
| 16:04:22 | SteveD_atwork | Tangent: I know the feeling. somehow the family thinks that at + a command line tool doth not a video machine replace |
| 16:04:59 | prpplague | those of you in the U.S. need to read this - http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200111/200111.htm |
| 16:05:45 | Tangent | Niddix : I started off with a serial I/O box... 8 relays, and 4 opto isolated inputs... then added a parallel port data acquisition unit.. (analog in&out, digital in &out).. then added a temperature sensor board... and after all that I couldn't control my big DC fans nicely, and it was using 2xserial +1xparallel ports on a PC.. |
| 16:06:00 | SteveD_atwork | oh my - see www.linux.org.uk/diary - Alan Cox is on Windows installation day two... |
| 16:06:11 | Tangent | Niddix : So I started thoinink how I could reduce that all down to one serial port for the tux, and add PWM speed control for my fans too... |
| 16:07:05 | Tangent | Niddix : Each of the two PIC16F876 chips has a USART built in and 2xPWM channels... so it seemed obvious to use two of them, and make some kind of protocol so that they can talk to each other |
| 16:07:29 | Tangent | Niddix : So the PC talks to one of the PICs.. the PIC talks to the other PIC.. and that talks to Relay box via other serial port... |
| 16:08:26 | Tangent | Niddix : If I'd been designing from scratch, I'd have just done one big board... but If I'd done it that way, I'd never have got this far |
| 16:08:51 | Tangent | Niddix : After playing around for 4 months, I could probably designa a good board now.. I couldn't have done so 4 months ago |
| 16:08:58 | Niddix | Tanget: Aha.. Now I understand. |
| 16:09:31 | Tangent | Niddix : It's one of those lovely 'moving goalposts' projects :) |
| 16:09:35 | prpplague | Tangent: argh, one big board?? i'm into modular |
| 16:09:40 | Niddix | Tangent: I thought it was just dual headed.. so you could control the thing from 2 different computers. |
| 16:10:09 | Tangent | prpplague : Yeah.. but as it is.. I'm wasting things like MAX232 chips so that modules can talk to each other via 3" of cable |
| 16:10:53 | Tangent | prpplague : If I was designing from scratch, there's be a better voltage regulator that did all modules.. instead of a 7805 in each.. etc |
| 16:11:24 | prh | sorry to repeat myself - but what is the sound like on the tuxscreen? is it good enough to feed into a car stereo and make into a half decent mp3player? |
| 16:11:40 | Tangent | prh : No.. sadly it isn't... |
| 16:11:53 | prh | ohhh. thats a real shame |
| 16:12:03 | Tangent | prh : I suspect that the audio chip has no output buffers.. it's very sensitive to glitches etc |
| 16:12:09 | prh | hmm |
| 16:12:19 | prh | could put a pcmcia sound card in - seems pointless |
| 16:12:28 | Tangent | prh : I mean multitask context switch style glitches.. not electrical ones |
| 16:12:38 | prh | ayw |
| 16:12:41 | prh | e |
| 16:13:44 | collord | there was dispute last time i asked... different audience. are hardware mods neccessary for VOIP usage? |
| 16:14:10 | Tangent | collord : I think they are.. otherwise the CPU can't make noises.. only the DSP |
| 16:14:46 | collord | Tangent: and is this shanip? |
| 16:15:06 | Tangent | collord : Yes.. that's the shanip |
| 16:15:18 | Niddix | prpplague: That article is interesting. However, he really ought to link to the actuall legislation instead of just fuming about it. |
| 16:15:19 | collord | a-ha! |
| 16:15:48 | prpplague | Niddix: sorry didn't notice since i had already dl'd a copy |
| 16:16:26 | collord | heh. I've had the flashing command ready in inferno for 3 days as half look for a null modem cable |
| 16:17:51 | Niddix | prpplague: No problem. Its just that he went to the trouble of posting links to find your representatives and a form letter. But no link to the actual bill. |
| 16:17:52 | prpplague | collord: ?? you could have soldered a null cable in three days! |
| 16:18:12 | Tangent | prpplague : Only if you soldered very very slowly |
| 16:18:26 | Niddix | prpplague: Who needs solder.. just use electrical tape. |
| 16:18:49 | prh | naaah - bluetak! |
| 16:19:08 | Tangent | Pah.. electrical tape if for those swanky professionals.. nothing wrong with paperclips and chewing gum ;) |
| 16:19:15 | collord | prpplague: yeah, it's nice -50 in my sched |
| 16:19:56 | prh | in the early days of Acorn (when they sold kit computers) they got Atom boards back - "it doesnt work", and it wouldn't if you stuck all the components in the board and fixed them there with superglue/sellotape/bluetak... |
| 16:20:22 | prpplague | collord: did follow that respinse, anyway you know i'm just joking around... |
| 16:20:28 | prpplague | s/did/didn't |
| 16:21:22 | Niddix | prpplague: Do you know the bill number for the SSSCA? I can't find it on either www.senate.gov or www.house.gov. |
| 16:21:37 | SteveD_atwork | heading home - might catch you guys later |
| 16:22:22 | collord | are there any shanip resources linked from the wiki? |
| 16:23:03 | Tangent | collord : Quite a few piccies and schematics are out there now... |
| 16:23:16 | Tangent | collord : I can point you to a few... |
| 16:24:18 | collord | Tangent: the state of the art is the PDF for shanip2? any descriptions, etc? |
| 16:25:17 | Tangent | collord : I think this is the most up to date shanip schematic.. http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/shanip2.pdf |
| 16:25:30 | Tangent | collord : Or there's my version with an extra rs232 port too |
| 16:25:54 | prpplague | Niddix: i'll see if i can find it |
| 16:26:11 | Tangent | collord : My version here... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/shanip232-schematic.pdf |
| 16:26:37 | Tangent | collord : And a PCB layout too.. http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/shanip232v2.pdf |
| 16:28:03 | collord | Tangent: gotcha. interesting lucent uses an op amp and tux doesn't |
| 16:28:20 | Tangent | collord : Yeah.. the op-amp prooved surplus to requirements |
| 16:28:30 | prpplague | Niddix: here is the page for the draft resolution - http://216.110.42.179/docs/hollings.090701.html |
| 16:28:53 | collord | Tangent: good to know. interested in the minimal mods required for voip |
| 16:29:12 | Tangent | collord : Just the top half of my schematic required.. or half of the PCB layout... |
| 16:29:14 | Niddix | prpplague: Thanks |
| 16:29:31 | Tangent | collord : 7xresistor.. 5xcapacitor.. that's all |
| 16:30:07 | prpplague | Niddix: np |
| 16:30:38 | Tangent | collord : Sorry.. can't resist... here's a piccie of my finished board.. http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/Shanip232-Top.jpg |
| 16:30:51 | Niddix | I think its time to blob my tux. |
| 16:32:47 | EGg0_away | is back (gone 02:11:37) |
| 16:32:54 | collord | Tangent: how are the plans for someone to fab these (or similar)? |
| 16:33:41 | Tangent | collord : Well I etched 4 board when I made mine... so I have 2 spare... |
| 16:34:05 | Tangent | collord : I've got pdfs of the black etchable version if anyone wants to make their own |
| 16:34:21 | Tangent | collord : The stuff to get you started in PCB manufactur can be had for around $100 |
| 16:34:40 | Tangent | collord : Or you could just put one together on a bit of stripboard |
| 16:45:04 | Niddix | Tangent: That a new pic? Its better than the last one I saw. |
| 16:45:21 | Tangent | Niddix : That was taken yesterday |
| 16:46:00 | Tangent | Niddix : You thinking of this one? http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/Shanip232-Fitted.jpg |
| 16:46:08 | Niddix | Tangent: Yeah |
| 16:46:25 | Niddix | Tangent the first one shows the board better. |
| 16:46:30 | Tangent | Niddix : Also taken yesterday, but I forgot to press the macro button on my camera |
| 16:46:47 | MacAtack | Tangent: sorry to butt in here but whata ya mean when the stuff for PCB manufarue can be had for ~$100 ? |
| 16:46:51 | Niddix | Tanget: So thats shanip and serial? |
| 16:46:53 | Tangent | Niddix : Yeah.. the first one was before I cut holes in the side of the phone |
| 16:47:24 | MacAtack | Tangent: you talking simply etching copper clad boards or somthing more than that? |
| 16:47:43 | Tangent | MacAtack : I mean that you can get 5xsheets of Laser Printer Press 'n' Peel etch paper.. 5 bits of copper clad board.. etching chemical, plastic trays, etc here in the UK for £60 |
| 16:48:02 | Tangent | MacAtack : So I gave a little leeway for a couple of 0.8mm and 1mm drill bits :) |
| 16:48:06 | MacAtack | ok kinda thought thats what you were talking about |
| 16:48:45 | MacAtack | i know this isn't #pcb but how in hell does one line up dual side etching? (or do you stick to single sided etches?) |
| 16:49:04 | Tangent | MacAtack : I'd drill some guide holes through the board |
| 16:49:21 | MacAtack | Tangent: kinda like registration marks? |
| 16:49:52 | Tangent | MacAtack : So far, I've only had single side board, so I've yet to try a dualie.. but I figured that 4x0.8mm holes would allow me to line up top and bottom layers well |
| 16:51:14 | Tangent | MacAtack : Since I can't do plated thru holes, it's questionable how useful a double sided board is for me tho' |
| 16:51:40 | Tangent | MacAtack : I'm becomming quite masterful at convining the auto-router to do what I want now with single sided boards :) |
| 16:51:48 | Tangent | brb |
| 16:52:27 | EGg0 | is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? |
| 16:57:16 | Hiraghm | wot's a book? |
| 16:58:37 | Tangent | back |
| 16:59:55 | MacAtack | Tangent: ahh yeah forgout abuot the plated thru holes |
| 17:00:16 | prh | vias |
| 17:00:20 | Tangent | MacAtack : Yeah.. and soldering to pins on the top side of the board is just a PITA |
| 17:00:45 | Tangent | prh : Via != Plated through hole... but close as damn it ;) |
| 17:04:42 | prh | what is a via then? is it only on multiple layer boards? |
| 17:06:26 | Tangent | prh : A via is a small metal insert that goes into a hole to join multiple layers... |
| 17:06:34 | CosmicPenguin | Morning all.... |
| 17:06:41 | CosmicPenguin | Is Ken Steck hanging about today? |
| 17:06:58 | Tangent | prh : A plated thru hole is where the metal on the board is actually plated through the drilled holes... like this... http://www.ultra-source.com/platedthru.htm |
| 17:07:27 | prh | Ahh |
| 17:07:42 | prh | whereas a via is just a hole? |
| 17:07:54 | BZFlag | yo |
| 17:08:00 | Tangent | prh : via is a metal insert that gets punched into a hole with a big machine |
| 17:08:14 | prh | ooh fancy |
| 17:08:26 | Tangent | prh : The end result is the same for both processes |
| 17:09:33 | Russ | Tangent: autorouting is for wimps |
| 17:10:05 | prh | used to use a etch-resist pen. not always with a lot of success :O) |
| 17:10:25 | Tangent | Russ : So I'm a wimp... you could try to beat me, but I'd only run away or start crying ;) |
| 17:11:05 | Tangent | Russ : Besided autorouting software is the only thing I've got that can use all of my CPU power effectively... |
| 17:11:25 | Tangent | Russ : The rest of the time my 1.44GHz Athlon runs and IRC client and a couple of telnet sessions |
| 17:12:34 | Russ | what about kernel compilation |
| 17:12:47 | Tangent | Russ : Nah.. this box runs M$ cruft... |
| 17:12:59 | Tangent | Russ : Tho' I do have a vmware linux crash box here |
| 17:13:14 | Russ | a 1.4GHz wasted on M$? |
| 17:13:41 | Tangent | Russ : Yeah.. it was either M$.. or loose the raid array to make the hardware linux friendly |
| 17:13:58 | Tangent | Of course.. now.. 18 months later, I can use my raid card under linux... |
| 17:14:43 | Russ | those raid cards are really a rip off/waste |
| 17:14:54 | prh | ahh |
| 17:14:59 | prh | ye |
| 17:15:15 | prpplague | Russ: i totaly agree we've had nothing but problems with them |
| 17:15:24 | prh | software raid rules - can do it over cards/buses for more reliability |
| 17:15:35 | collord | i love my 3ware |
| 17:15:57 | Russ | prh: the promise raid cards are software raid |
| 17:16:10 | Russ | prh: they just have special bios and drivers |
| 17:16:23 | prh | eugh |
| 17:17:14 | Tangent | Russ : Yep.. that's the cards I have... one in each of my two main machines.. each with 4x46GB drives attached |
| 17:17:26 | Russ | Tangent: you have $$$ |
| 17:17:42 | Tangent | Russ : I had $$$.. Now I've had 4 months off, and only have $ |
| 17:18:04 | Tangent | Russ : If I don't get a job soon, I'll have . and then I'll be waking up in the gutter each morning |
| 17:18:47 | Russ | Tangent: I'll buy your hardware for 1/2$ |
| 17:19:29 | Tangent | Russ : Maybe on a day where the exchange rate is really good ;) |
| 17:20:04 | Russ | oh yea, shipping would be more than the money I'd give you for the hardware |
| 17:20:04 | Tangent | Russ : I'll probably just take a *permanent* (said with disgust) positition |
| 17:20:26 | Russ | I'm thinking I might go with mvista once I graduate |
| 17:21:45 | Tangent | Russ : I get bored with jobs after around 6-9 months.. contract work suits me very well |
| 17:22:18 | Tangent | Russ : Oh.. and the money helps to make me... what's the phrase.. "A highly motivated employee" ;) |
| 17:22:19 | prpplague | Tangent: me too, this is the longest i've stay anywhere |
| 17:22:40 | prpplague | Tangent: they give me alot of control over what i research |
| 17:23:22 | Tangent | prpplague : I had a lot of flexibility at my last job (which I stuck at for two whole years).. but sadly, it still all revolved around M$ cruft |
| 17:23:44 | Tangent | prpplague : I felt my unix skills would be slipping |
| 17:24:09 | prpplague | Tangent: ha, we are a COMPLETE *nix shop |
| 17:24:42 | prpplague | Tangent: only our sales and web dev ppl use winblows |
| 17:27:02 | Tangent | prpplague : I didn't mind too much.. the M$ crap was paying e.x.t.r.eeeemely well |
| 17:32:03 | prpplague | Tangent: i bet |
| 17:32:41 | Tangent | prpplague : I'm looking at a _serious_ pay cut for any other job I can find |
| 17:35:48 | GoRK | Russ: hey are you about? |
| 17:38:14 | Tangent | GoRK : Hi.. I've been told to bug you about TuxPhone :) |
| 17:38:45 | GoRK | what about it? |
| 17:39:21 | SpaceCoaster | remembers suggested/discuss instead of told/bug |
| 17:39:36 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 17:39:40 | Russ | GoRK: ya |
| 17:42:15 | GoRK | Russ: i got your newest set of patches to get me up in nfs switch_root in 2.4.13. does the ucb1x00 stuff not work unless it is a module? |
| 17:42:39 | Russ | it should work fine built in, but its a complete rewrite |
| 17:42:54 | Russ | so I don't know if the current ts stuff will work |
| 17:43:19 | GoRK | hrm yeah i dont think it does (yet)... im still messing with it though |
| 17:43:23 | Russ | iirc ucb1x00_audio is now the standard numbers for /dev/dsp |
| 17:43:24 | Tangent | GoRK : TuxPhone's behavious is only 75% reliable for me.. it misses button pushes.. forgets to turn on LEDs etc |
| 17:44:26 | Russ | GoRK: you might double check the ucb hardware reset code |
| 17:45:32 | Russ | /* reset the codec */ |
| 17:45:33 | Russ | GPDR |= GPIO_CODEC_RESET; |
| 17:45:33 | Russ | GPCR = GPIO_CODEC_RESET; |
| 17:45:33 | Russ | GPSR = GPIO_CODEC_RESET; |
| 17:45:49 | Russ | I think I might have messed that up.... |
| 17:45:52 | GoRK | tangent/spacecoaster: i think this is in the kernel driver. On my old kernels it always works for me but in the new stuff (I am currently testing with russ's 2.4.13 stuff) wheaties reads fine but writes dont seem to always work |
| 17:46:37 | GoRK | ie when i press the speakerphone button, the right thing happens only once in a while... speakerphone is a good button to test w/ because it writes over 100 bytes to the dsp when you turn it on |
| 17:46:50 | GoRK | Russ: is that from the 2.4.13 or 2.4.7? |
| 17:47:00 | Russ | 2.4.13 |
| 17:47:08 | Russ | actually, I think that is right, nm |
| 17:47:25 | Russ | wheaties doesn't interface with the ucb though |
| 17:47:41 | GoRK | Russ: yes i know. im trying to carry on 2 discussions at once :) |
| 17:47:59 | Russ | GoRK: I noticed that I was getting about 45% packet loss when I tried to ping the tuxscreen |
| 17:48:03 | Russ | you might check that |
| 17:48:27 | GoRK | Russ: i am good on 100% packets |
| 17:48:40 | Russ | probably because it was madly trying to mount nfsroot |
| 17:48:48 | GoRK | using te100 |
| 17:48:56 | Russ | GoRK: what happens if you try to mount jffs2 rw while you are on your nfsroot? |
| 17:49:17 | GoRK | Russ: well it's switchroot'd so it's already mounted ro in /initrd |
| 17:49:27 | GoRK | only it's not in mtab so nothing knows about it |
| 17:49:38 | GoRK | Russ: is there a reliable way to unmount it? |
| 17:50:06 | Russ | manually insert it in mtab by looking at /proc/mounts? |
| 17:51:01 | Russ | then mount -o remount,rw /dev/mtdblock2 /initrd |
| 17:51:35 | GoRK | hmm /dev/mtdblock/2 /initrd jffs2 rw 0 0 |
| 17:51:50 | GoRK | it is mounted rw already?!? |
| 17:51:59 | GoRK | i didnt tell the kernel to do that on the cmdline |
| 17:52:13 | Russ | put that in /etc/mtab |
| 17:52:31 | Russ | hmm..... what is mount -a doing to screw the system then |
| 17:52:47 | GoRK | i tested it and i can definately write to it |
| 17:53:09 | Russ | what kernel command line can I pass to specifically mount ro? |
| 17:53:44 | GoRK | i think it just "root=/dev/mtdblock2 ro" |
| 17:54:02 | GoRK | i put it at the end (no quotes) |
| 17:54:31 | Russ | console |
| 17:54:33 | Russ | oos |
| 17:54:36 | Russ | er, oops |
| 17:54:38 | GoRK | tuxscreen:/initrd# mount -o remount,rw /dev/mtdblock2 /initrd |
| 17:54:39 | GoRK | tuxscreen:/initrd# |
| 17:54:43 | GoRK | no complaints |
| 17:55:11 | Russ | chroot /initrd |
| 17:55:15 | Russ | mount -a |
| 17:55:25 | Tangent | You can unmount the old jffs2 root when you get a new process 1.. (i.e. if you pivot_root, and then exec init from the linuxrc) |
| 17:56:08 | GoRK | tuxscreen:/initrd# chroot /initrd /bin/sh |
| 17:56:12 | GoRK | BusyBox v0.61.pre (2001.10.14-23:37+0000) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 17:56:12 | GoRK | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 17:56:18 | GoRK | # mount -a |
| 17:56:20 | GoRK | hang |
| 17:56:21 | Tangent | GoRK : chroot ain't gonna cut it |
| 17:56:28 | Russ | break t |
| 17:56:33 | Russ | (sysrq-task) |
| 17:56:39 | Tangent | GoRK : chroot leaves your old process running, and that's gonna have locks on the old root filesystem |
| 17:56:47 | Tangent | GoRK : You need to use pivot_root |
| 17:56:54 | GoRK | how do i get a sysrq over minicom? |
| 17:56:57 | Russ | Tangent: this is nfs already mounted |
| 17:57:02 | Russ | alt-F |
| 17:57:03 | Tangent | GoRK : CTRL-A F |
| 17:57:21 | GoRK | ok so it dumped a bunch of stuff |
| 17:57:28 | Russ | is mount in a D state? |
| 17:57:43 | Russ | mount D C0021CEC 0 28 26 (NOTLB) |
| 17:57:43 | Russ | Function entered at [<c0021a48>] from [<c012c044>] |
| 17:57:44 | Russ | etc... |
| 17:57:58 | GoRK | yeah mount is D |
| 17:58:12 | Tangent | Russ : For intimate distribution on the iPAQ, I run cardmgr in one pass mode to detect pcmcia cards. pivot_root to the microdrive, and then exec /sbin/init in my new root filesystem... The first thing init does when it starts (becasue of my init scripts) is to unmount the old jffs2 root |
| 17:58:18 | Russ | so bb mount looks like its doing something wrong |
| 17:58:22 | Russ | Tangent: yes, I know |
| 17:58:37 | Russ | Tangent: GoRK is already piviot_root to nfs |
| 17:58:42 | Tangent | Russ : I never manged to get it unmounted without starting a new init... I can't do the same thing if I exec bash instead of /sbin/init |
| 17:58:45 | GoRK | i can still log in to the vc's |
| 17:59:04 | GoRK | mount D C0025BD8 0 279 277 (NOTLB) |
| 17:59:09 | Russ | GoRK: cat /proc/mounts |
| 17:59:38 | GoRK | Russ: nothing new |
| 17:59:56 | Russ | where is andersee? |
| 17:59:58 | GoRK | could it be busybox mount is not behaving like debian mount? |
| 18:00:06 | Russ | GoRK: thats what I'm thinking |
| 18:00:52 | Russ | reboot to get rid of mount D |
| 18:01:15 | Russ | then edit /initrd/etc/fstab, comment out "/dev/mtdblock2 / jffs2 rw 0 0" |
| 18:01:28 | Russ | then, take out the net card and try to boot to the jffs2 root |
| 18:01:47 | GoRK | ok |
| 18:02:57 | Russ | brb |
| 18:04:46 | GoRK | ahh sweet my volume knobs and jacks came in :) |
| 18:05:33 | GoRK | and a bunch of 10uF caps |
| 18:07:37 | SteveD | GoRK: earlier you were talking about write problems to the wheaties in newest wheaties driver. yesterday in trying to debug similar prob with me, SpaceCoaster suggested udelay()s might need to be increased: during xfer and after write |
| 18:09:24 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: I'm going to suggest that you revert to the older wheaties.c with 2.4.13 |
| 18:09:49 | Hiraghm | bye guys... gotta disconnect the puter now. Talk to you soon I hope... |
| 18:10:46 | GoRK | SteveD: i wrote tuxphone on top of an older wheaties driver with longer delays. it does things according to the dsp spec and like inferno.... i am fairly confident that it shouldnt have any major bugs that prevent it from working as expected... not that it is bug-free but i still dont think it is causing the problems... |
| 18:10:50 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: i will try |
| 18:12:09 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: good idea, the driver in 2.4.13 snuck through with the 32M stuff and could easily be flakey. |
| 18:12:29 | GoRK | SteveD: it seemed like you were getting worse behavior than i am though... perhaps tolerances on different units |
| 18:12:34 | GoRK | are different |
| 18:12:50 | GoRK | Russ: ok im up in a jffs2 root on 2.4.13 |
| 18:13:48 | GoRK | # uname -a |
| 18:13:48 | GoRK | Linux tuxscreen 2.4.13-ac5-rmk2-tux2 #4 Thu Nov 8 04:38:42 CST 2001 armv4l unknown |
| 18:13:48 | GoRK | # mount |
| 18:13:48 | GoRK | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 18:13:48 | GoRK | # |
| 18:14:49 | Russ | ah, ok |
| 18:14:50 | GoRK | err it missed the first line of mount which was |
| 18:14:59 | GoRK | ---> /dev/mtdblock/2 on / type jffs2 (rw) |
| 18:15:17 | Russ | if you want the newest wheaties/buzby driver in the kernel, let me know where I can always grab cvs |
| 18:15:40 | Russ | I'll check with andersee exactly what bb mount is doing then |
| 18:15:48 | GoRK | Russ: the newest driver is buggy apparently.. .delays too short et. al. |
| 18:15:53 | GoRK | Russ: should the kernel be mounting it up ro? |
| 18:16:01 | Russ | wheaties_init: $Revision: 1.1.4.1 $ |
| 18:16:11 | Russ | GoRK: add ro to the command line and see if it does |
| 18:16:16 | GoRK | ok |
| 18:16:27 | Russ | might edit /linuxrc |
| 18:16:33 | Russ | to get the diagnostic shel |
| 18:16:35 | Russ | er, shell |
| 18:17:17 | GoRK | yeah now its mounted ro |
| 18:17:25 | GoRK | dev/mtdblock/2 on / type jffs2 (ro) |
| 18:18:03 | GoRK | um could it have something to do with its insistance on using the devfs name? /dev/mtdblock/2 rather than /dev/mtdblock2 |
| 18:18:22 | Russ | dunno, I don't use devfs here |
| 18:18:28 | Russ | (on the tuxscreen) |
| 18:18:41 | GoRK | i dont either.. i might have it compiled in though |
| 18:19:12 | Russ | doesn't seem to make a difference though, it still hangs on ro |
| 18:19:30 | Russ | I'll take it up with andersee, and start feeding hunks to rmk |
| 18:19:39 | GoRK | so bb mount cant seem to do a remount? |
| 18:20:16 | GoRK | nm |
| 18:20:18 | GoRK | hey look at this |
| 18:20:29 | GoRK | # mount -o remount,rw /dev/mtdblock2 / |
| 18:20:30 | GoRK | # mount |
| 18:20:35 | GoRK | dev/mtdblock/2 on / type jffs2 (rw) |
| 18:20:36 | GoRK | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 18:21:33 | Russ | I think it might be getting umounted first or something |
| 18:21:39 | Russ | Mounting local file systems: mtdblock_open |
| 18:21:39 | Russ | mtdblock_release |
| 18:21:47 | GoRK | dev/mtdblock/2 on / type jffs2 (rw) |
| 18:21:52 | GoRK | sorry |
| 18:24:05 | GoRK | well i guess the good news is that the new kernel works :) cept ucb1200 is still hosed |
| 18:24:24 | GoRK | im making it up as modules now to ease the pain |
| 18:24:46 | Russ | how do you figure its hosed? |
| 18:25:14 | GoRK | i cant get it to work :) hahaha |
| 18:25:27 | Russ | so modules will help? |
| 18:25:43 | GoRK | oh yeah i also get an oops: |
| 18:25:55 | GoRK | Flags: nZCv IRQs off FIQs on Mode SVC_32 Segment user |
| 18:25:55 | GoRK | Control: C815B17F Table: C815B17F DAC: 00000015 |
| 18:25:56 | GoRK | Process hwclock (pid: 184, stackpage=c816f000) |
| 18:26:18 | GoRK | somewhere during debian's init... i think i may have unknowingly compiled in a bad option |
| 18:26:48 | Russ | its a verbose segfault I think |
| 18:32:04 | GoRK | Russ: i can write the kernel to an mtd device in lieu of flashing w/ blob right? |
| 18:39:00 | Niddix | Which is the blob I should be using? v0.4? |
| 19:19:29 | Niddix | Is there a version of blob newer then the one in download/v0.4? |
| 19:19:50 | GoRK | Niddix: not as such. there are patches for it to set up the 32mb sodimm |
| 19:20:09 | Niddix | Ok.. I don't have a 32M SODIMM.. so v0.4 is fine. |
| 19:20:28 | GoRK | yeah |
| 19:23:30 | BZFlag | yes, the cvs version of blob has many changes we have not been using yet. |
| 19:23:54 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster is using the latest CVS sources iirc with his 40M patch work. |
| 19:24:45 | Niddix | Is there a way to download the kernel via blob using something other than minicomm? |
| 19:25:07 | BZFlag | sure. |
| 19:25:10 | GoRK | ah so cvs blob does work again? is this the blob in cvs under the tuxscreen project or the blob in cvs under the blob project? |
| 19:25:49 | BZFlag | just setting the port to the right speed and sending "download kernel", uu text, "flash kernel" is all you need to do. |
| 19:26:14 | BZFlag | GoRK: no. blob project cvs. not tuxscreen project cvs blob |
| 19:26:38 | Niddix | Well actually I meant like with Hyperterminal or something ;) |
| 19:27:20 | BZFlag | sure hyperterm will work as long as you have a uuencoded version of the kernel, then do an ascii upload. |
| 19:27:31 | GoRK | BZFlag: ah ha. thanks. that was my problem. should the blob on tuxscreen cvs be removed then? |
| 19:27:36 | BZFlag | look for a win32* uuencode |
| 19:28:04 | AlHazWork | a win32 uuencode would probably put a self-extract header on the file . . . |
| 19:28:11 | BZFlag | GoRK: the splash screen stuff still needs to make it into regular blob cvs. then I'll nuke it. |
| 19:28:12 | AlHazWork | actually, cygwin probably comes with one |
| 19:29:14 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: as does mks toolkit etc. |
| 19:29:25 | GoRK | BZFlag: cool, man. did you hear we got 2.2.13 up into jffs2 root? the only problem now is something funny with bb's mount -a not doing a proper remount (mount -o remount,rw works though) |
| 19:29:29 | BZFlag | but there should be a native win32 binary someplace that does not require all that. |
| 19:29:41 | BZFlag | 2.4.13? |
| 19:29:56 | GoRK | BZFlag: yes well 2.4.13-ac5-rmk1-tux2 |
| 19:30:04 | GoRK | err rmk2 |
| 19:30:10 | GoRK | tuxscreen:~# uname -a |
| 19:30:10 | BZFlag | cool! |
| 19:30:10 | GoRK | Linux tuxscreen 2.4.13-ac5-rmk2-tux2 #4 Thu Nov 8 04:38:42 CST 2001 armv4l unkno |
| 19:30:27 | BZFlag | hows the new ucb1200 stuff look? |
| 19:30:40 | GoRK | BZFlag: i cant get it to work at all yet |
| 19:30:48 | BZFlag | ah |
| 19:30:57 | GoRK | BZFlag: but... that's just for now anyway |
| 19:31:29 | BluePenguin | Woohoo! I'm IRCing on Bluetooth.... :) |
| 19:31:46 | GoRK | from the tux? |
| 19:32:02 | BluePenguin | GoRK: Not yet... but thats a great idea.... I just need to compile up half a dozen fiiles.... |
| 19:32:33 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: 2.2.13 is almost ready to go |
| 19:32:54 | BluePenguin | GoRK: Good deal..... I'm excited to upgrade... :) |
| 19:33:02 | BluePenguin | Anything I can to do help? |
| 19:33:16 | GoRK | i dunno. im no kernel developer :) |
| 19:33:52 | BluePenguin | Ok... well, after next week I'll have more time on my hands.... |
| 19:33:54 | GoRK | there is a bug in busybox mount -a that is hanging us up when it tries to remount / ... if you leave the line out of fstab everything works |
| 19:34:18 | GoRK | and then you can mount -o remount,rw / and it will work |
| 19:34:25 | BluePenguin | Parsing error on the /proc file maybe? |
| 19:34:55 | GoRK | maybe |
| 19:35:12 | BluePenguin | I hate to add fuel to the anti-/proc crowd though.... :) |
| 19:35:46 | GoRK | i need to check some stuff... i have devfs compiled in as an option so if it's parsing proc its seeing /dev/mtdblock/2 so... that's not there obviously |
| 19:37:10 | BluePenguin | Alright.... now its time to see if we can't do some bluetooth on the Ipaq (insert evil take over the world laugh here...) |
| 19:43:42 | CosmicPenguin | No joy... :( Apparently something doesn't like /dev/pts.... |
| 19:46:44 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: Any ideas on how we would load a 3MB ramdisk with a system that only has 2M contiguous memory using blob? |
| 19:47:36 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: any joy with old wheaties on new kernel? |
| 19:49:27 | SpaceCoaster | Shucks missed the window, everyones gone back to their cubicles, drat. |
| 19:56:49 | CosmicPenguin | Are there any special settings that PPP needs on the Ipaq? |
| 20:16:00 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: have not had time to test |
| 21:04:24 | Russ | GoRK: you'd need a special kernel if you wanted to write the kernel straight to flash |
| 21:04:41 | Russ | it would need to set up its memory, set its arch number, etc |
| 21:07:43 | GoRK | Russ: ah. i thought someone had told me you could do it.. |
| 21:07:48 | GoRK | points at spacecoaster |
| 21:08:02 | GoRK | points at where spacecoaster was |
| 21:16:14 | GoRK | Russ: no wait i didnt mean having the kernel as the bootloader... i meant just putting zimage into /dev/mtd1 ... can you do that? |
| 21:16:57 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: works here dd if=/zImage of=/dev/mtdblock1 bs=64k |
| 21:17:42 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: where my / is NFS mounted, takes less than 10 seconds |
| 21:18:32 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: ahh ok thanks |
| 21:18:56 | SpaceCoaster | You can also do blob, if your feeling brave |
| 21:21:17 | GoRK | or jtag :) |
| 21:24:13 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: how does 2.4.13 look, I posted an issue to linux-arm-kernel and I know they are going to say, "try the latest kernel". |
| 21:30:50 | Niddix | Ok.. the GNU uuencode for Win32 isn't working.. bleh |
| 21:34:57 | Russ | GoRK: cp zImage /dev/mtdblock2 |
| 21:34:59 | Russ | or |
| 21:35:03 | Russ | eraseall /dev/mtd1 |
| 21:35:10 | Russ | cat zImage > /dev/mtd1 |
| 21:35:25 | Russ | er, the first one should be zImage /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 21:35:37 | Russ | note that for a jffs2 image, you always want to eraseall |
| 21:36:07 | Russ | CosmicPenguin will need to make some changes for the backlight ioctl's |
| 22:06:26 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Thats fine |
| 22:12:44 | GoRK | Russ: what's with not being able to init brightness/contrast initially? is there anywhere that that can happen? |
| 22:13:26 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: heres a new shot of xkbd on the ipaq with the wm I've started working on -> http://mallum.com/img/newwm2.png |
| 22:27:58 | Tangent | Compiling on the Tuxscreen with only 16MB of ram is ever so slightly slow |
| 22:28:29 | Tangent | mallum : new version looks very nice :) |
| 22:28:46 | Tangent | mallum : Like the curvy keys :) |
| 22:28:47 | mallum | Tangent: thx, compiling with 256megs is quite nice |
| 22:29:14 | mallum | Tangent: thats a very early wm I've started working on too |
| 22:29:33 | Tangent | mallum : Oh.. I'd assumed it was ion |
| 22:30:05 | Tangent | mallum : What special features will it have? |
| 22:33:30 | mallum | Tangent: special ones ;) |
| 22:34:14 | mallum | Tangent: I dont like ion much |
| 22:34:31 | mallum | Tangent: its not very intuitive |
| 22:48:53 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: looking good! |
| 22:49:15 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thx ;) |
| 22:50:21 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry it took me so long to respond..... I've been surfing the web with Bluetooth on the Ipaq... :) |
| 22:51:02 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: heh nice - running linux ? |
| 22:51:13 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: but of course... :) |
| 22:51:58 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: there are drivers for the bluetooth card ? |
| 22:53:35 | mallum | just got this from apt - "Need to get 103MB/112MB of archives. After unpacking 441kB will be used" |
| 22:54:20 | mallum | thats terrible compression :) |
| 22:56:08 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Yep... we should be releasing a press release early next week in Vegas... :) |
| 22:56:52 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool, you going ? |
| 22:59:55 | mallum | realises that the 441k is only the difference in disk space .... |
| 23:15:51 | bhimaji | yawns. |
| 23:16:02 | bhimaji | anyboyd know of a good source for low cost DC to DC converters? |
| 23:16:11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: howdy |
| 23:16:38 | andersee | bhimaji: you mean like buying a couple of resistors at radio shack? |
| 23:17:49 | bhimaji | andersee: no. like stable output over a mildly variable input range and over a reasonable range of current draws :P |
| 23:18:26 | bhimaji | oh, and with >80% efficiency doing 12v to 3.3v :P |
| 23:18:47 | andersee | a voltage regulator |
| 23:18:56 | bhimaji | If Radio Shack has resistors that cando that on their own, I think I shoudl buy more :) |
| 23:19:10 | bhimaji | well, DC to DC converter is the usual term used for the snazzier ones. |
| 23:19:38 | bhimaji | I'm thinking of the switched mode stuff. |
| 23:21:11 | bhimaji | a 7805 or a similar class adjustable one to get 3.3v doesn't cut it IMHO :) |
| 23:25:19 | bhimaji | ooh. ericsson makes some nifty ones. they have a 5A one that is pick-and-place-able. |
| 23:26:11 | GPSFan_away | bhimaji: try http://www.mpja.com/product.asp?product=12926+PS |
| 23:30:56 | bhimaji | gps: thanks :) |
| 23:31:29 | GPSFan | bhimaji: if you don't have any $ restrictions try: http://www.astrodyne.com/astro/product_main_toc.asp?dept%5Fid=6 |
| 23:32:44 | bhimaji | I don't have any $$$ restrictions of they'll send me free samples :) |
| 23:33:00 | bhimaji | though, I work for a company that uses this sort of product. |
| 23:33:12 | GPSFan | bhimaji: or http://store.datel.com/cgi-bin/datel.storefront/3beb2462029af946271d0424c3d2065a/Catalog/1010 |
| 23:33:16 | bhimaji | so, they might be nice to me :) |
| 23:34:38 | bhimaji | damn. that MPJA price is good. |
| 23:35:17 | GoRK | andersee: hello |
| 23:35:52 | GPSFan | bhimaji: yes, they are surplus dealers, production over-runs etc. price the same converter at the manufacturer and it's prpbably $30-50US |
| 23:36:23 | andersee | GoRK: howdy |
| 23:36:34 | andersee | GoRK: progress with the shanip2? |
| 23:36:36 | GoRK | andersee: has anyone told you about the bb mount problem? |
| 23:36:50 | GoRK | andersee: no not as such. my parts came today so i am going to make up some boards this weekend |
| 23:37:03 | GoRK | andersee: but progress with the 2.4.13 kernel. i have a booted jffs2 root now. |
| 23:37:26 | andersee | Russ mentioned some problems -- I assumed they were kernel issues. |
| 23:37:51 | GoRK | andersee: busybox mount -a fails on the jffs2 remount but if you skip the remount at that point and do mount -o remount,rw /dev/mtdblock2 / everything works |
| 23:38:34 | andersee | GoRK: is /proc mounted when mount -a is called? |
| 23:38:49 | GoRK | andersee: i believe so. does bb mount parse proc? |
| 23:39:15 | andersee | should only do that if type is auto. |
| 23:39:43 | andersee | I'll try to make some time to look into it this evening. |
| 23:40:12 | GoRK | andersee: would devfs affect it? |
| 23:42:22 | andersee | could yes. Is devfs enabled? |
| 23:43:09 | GoRK | well originally i had tried without it and experienced the same problems but i turned it on to check out the ucb1x00 stuff... i will turn it off again and retest |
| 23:43:38 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Hello.... its busy around here.... :) |
| 23:44:41 | GoRK | we need to look at the LART's ssp port and get an add on for that DAC... would give us 10000% better audio for those who want mp3 players etc |
| 23:44:53 | andersee | GoRK: or enable BB_FEATURE_DEVFS |
| 23:45:01 | GoRK | the lart uses a dac attached directly to the ssp port of the sa1100 to do audio |
| 23:45:32 | GoRK | andersee: enabling devfs for everything probably takes more space than the device files do on the filesystem ... *shrug* |
| 23:46:14 | andersee | GoRK: thats been my experience. devfs is not lightweight (and has, umm, issues). Ask Al viro for details. ;-) |
| 23:46:16 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:46:23 | GoRK | heh |
| 23:46:55 | GoRK | devfs should have been implemented at the beginning of everything. it is an awesome way to do it :) |
| 23:47:15 | Russ | hey andersee |
| 23:47:20 | andersee | howdy Russ |
| 23:47:20 | Russ | GoRK been talking to you? |
| 23:47:34 | Tangent | GoRK : I couldn't agree more |
| 23:47:43 | andersee | Russ: yeah, was mentioning mount -a problems |
| 23:47:46 | GoRK | Russ: yeah but i realized something too.. im doing some more testing |
| 23:48:16 | BZFlag | so does the new kernel work fine if bb has devfs support then? |
| 23:48:36 | Russ | BZFlag: doubtfull |
| 23:48:37 | BZFlag | and did someone hack out my linuuxrc dev hacks ? |
| 23:48:54 | Russ | if you take out the / line from fstab, everything boots fine, and / is mounted rw |
| 23:48:59 | BZFlag | then we don't know why the mount -a was hanging? |
| 23:49:09 | Russ | if you then mount -o remount,rm /dev/mtdblock2 / |
| 23:49:14 | Russ | that goes ok |
| 23:49:26 | BZFlag | hmmm... does my linuxrc remount / ? |
| 23:49:27 | GoRK | / is mounted rw by the kernel by default for some reason.. if you explicitly mount it ro it still hangs on mount -a |
| 23:49:43 | Russ | BZFlag: right |
| 23:49:50 | Russ | some kernel behavior change that bb mount -a is noticing |
| 23:50:00 | GoRK | BZFlag: it should during the mount -a |
| 23:50:20 | Russ | linuxrc does not remount / |
| 23:50:28 | Russ | one of the rcS scripts does a mount -a |
| 23:50:31 | BZFlag | hmm... nope linuxrc mounts stuff but does not touch / |
| 23:50:37 | Russ | which looks at /etc/fstab |
| 23:51:25 | BZFlag | should really add udhcpc support to the nfs pivot_mount in /linuxrc ;-) |
| 23:52:10 | GoRK | BZFlag: i always replace those lines with udhcpc :) |
| 23:52:36 | Russ | away |
| 23:53:10 | BZFlag | GoRK: but do you look for dhcp file and next server parameters? |
| 23:53:33 | GoRK | BZFlag: of course not! |
| 23:53:36 | GoRK | heh |
| 23:54:07 | BZFlag | heh, that's what needs to be done. Russ added the client support, if the script used it we would not need to edit the file. |
| 23:58:47 | andersee | BZFlag: one more thing that needs adding to udhcpd is support for defining fixed ip addresses... |
| 23:59:29 | andersee | Right now, everything is dynamic -- no way to specify that a certian mac gets a certain IP |
