| 00:01:14 | Tangent | bhima : Nope.. I just stuffed something under the back of my tux to raise it up at an angle.. |
| 00:01:25 | Tangent | Screen looks good now it's at exactly the right angle |
| 00:01:27 | Hiraghm | doesn't the touchscreen change position? |
| 00:01:35 | Hiraghm | I thought you could turn and tilt it |
| 00:01:40 | bhima | it can be adjusted to be a bit better. |
| 00:01:46 | Hiraghm | would know these things if he could order one |
| 00:01:49 | bhima | but it's obviously really badly adjusted. |
| 00:02:01 | bhima | it gets a _bit_ beter. |
| 00:02:34 | bhima | hiragm: it adjusts, yes, but only so much. if he contrast was at a sane level it would be happy. |
| 00:02:39 | bhima | In inferno, it's fine. |
| 00:03:05 | bhima | also, there is temperature dependance. |
| 00:03:10 | SpaceCoaster | bhima: brightness is 0-7 contrast is 0-63, it was 0-255 at one time |
| 00:03:31 | bhima | spacecoaster: yes, but the ioctls are ignored at any level :/ |
| 00:03:53 | SpaceCoaster | have you applied all the patches? |
| 00:04:23 | bhima | I'm using the v0.4 stuff. I don't know which patches have been applied to the pre-built kernel. |
| 00:05:54 | SpaceCoaster | the 0.4 kernel was built on 4-oct (approx) |
| 00:06:20 | bhima | 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 |
| 00:06:52 | bhima | does that mean that it doesn't have patches needed to let you actually adjust the brightness/contrast? |
| 00:08:57 | SpaceCoaster | the touchscreen patch was added/amended 10 to 13 oct, what does the ioctl return? |
| 00:09:30 | bhima | zero. but it returns that if you try any random ioctl. |
| 00:10:00 | SpaceCoaster | ready to start building your own kernels? |
| 00:10:15 | bhima | does the toolchain work happily on freebsd? |
| 00:10:27 | SpaceCoaster | no idea, sorry |
| 00:10:36 | bhima | I tried initially on the skiffcluster, but it seemed very unhapy. |
| 00:10:56 | bhima | I don't have a linux box that I can do this on. |
| 00:11:35 | bhima | other than ARM machines, I have NetBSD, FreeBSD, and MacOS X. |
| 00:11:51 | Hiraghm | listens attentively |
| 00:12:01 | MicroChip32 | what, no winXP ? |
| 00:12:05 | bhima | Once I get coda up and running, my ipaq should do nicely fo builds. |
| 00:12:15 | Hiraghm | ack |
| 00:12:24 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: ? |
| 00:12:27 | Hiraghm | ooh! Ipaq linux. |
| 00:12:29 | bhima | microchip: well, I have an NCR pen-based machine running Windows for Pen Computing... :) |
| 00:12:30 | Hiraghm | ack to winXP |
| 00:12:40 | bhima | (it's win3.1 with lots of extensions) |
| 00:12:43 | MicroChip32 | bhima: lol Hiraghm: agreed! |
| 00:12:52 | Hiraghm | SpaceCoaster, is it possible to do this linux install from an O2 running Irix 6.5? |
| 00:12:57 | bhima | I have an H3100 ipaq with 128MB of DRAM. |
| 00:13:10 | Hiraghm | mmmm Ipaq |
| 00:13:43 | bhima | You should try to pull in the new bootloader from the ipaq. it was just updated to deal with loading a kenrel from flash instead of a partition. |
| 00:13:43 | MicroChip32 | anyone know why my tux would randomly light the screen back up for no aparent reason ? |
| 00:15:00 | Hiraghm | have you installed the linux yet? |
| 00:15:36 | MicroChip32 | nope, not done nothing with it. std outa box |
| 00:20:47 | Hiraghm | vibration? |
| 00:20:59 | bhima | inferno seems nifty enough. |
| 00:21:17 | bhima | I like lightweight OSs when my systems don't have enough resources. |
| 00:21:38 | Hiraghm | 8c) |
| 00:21:49 | Hiraghm | too bad it doesn't run Epoc |
| 00:21:55 | Hiraghm | likes Epoc |
| 00:23:36 | bhima | I haven't used it much, but I never liked epoc a huge amount. have you ever used NewtonOS? |
| 00:25:51 | Hiraghm | hm. nope. |
| 00:26:19 | Hiraghm | but if it ran epoc I could develop stuff for it and wouldn't have to install linux |
| 00:26:26 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 00:27:07 | bhima | the newton apps would be great for a phone interface. |
| 00:27:20 | bhima | in fact, people did make ARM-based phones with Newtons built in. |
| 00:27:41 | bhima | none of them went anywhere cause, well, people don't want $500 phones. |
| 00:39:35 | bhima | yawns. |
| 00:48:00 | MicroChip32 | stuffs an old sock in bhima's yawn |
| 00:52:47 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 00:54:23 | Sammy | morning all |
| 00:59:02 | MicroChip32 | morning my butt |
| 00:59:06 | Hiraghm | it's 8 pm |
| 00:59:19 | MicroChip32 | Sammy must be an aussie |
| 01:01:35 | Hiraghm | okay, I'll let him be. |
| 01:01:41 | Hiraghm | As long as he's not Tim Riker, it doesn't matter |
| 01:01:45 | Hiraghm | sniffs miserably |
| 01:04:20 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 01:15:21 | GoRK | hello |
| 01:24:16 | bhima | waves at gork. |
| 01:29:17 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 01:29:20 | bhima | re. |
| 01:29:21 | Hiraghm | waves near GoRK |
| 01:33:48 | bhima | oh, fuck. sourceforge is down, isn't it? |
| 01:34:03 | bhima | why can't they find a way to not go down for hours every week? |
| 02:03:43 | scanline | becomes annoyed that CU blocks port 80 |
| 02:05:24 | bhima | CU? |
| 02:06:03 | scanline | bhima: University of colorado |
| 02:06:23 | bhima | ick. why do they do that? |
| 02:06:37 | scanline | probably don't want people running warez servers |
| 02:06:50 | bhima | and port 80 is where you run warez servers? |
| 02:06:52 | bhima | is confued. |
| 02:06:53 | scanline | I just wanted to run a little httpd so people can download starcraft patches... |
| 02:06:54 | scanline | haha |
| 02:07:04 | scanline | yeah, funny. So i have to run apache on a weird port... |
| 02:07:34 | bhima | likes CMU. nothing is blocked. almost everybody I know runs a web server. none of them are warez. |
| 02:08:02 | scanline | cool |
| 02:08:15 | scanline | i use SSH for most things, at least they don't block that |
| 02:08:40 | bhima | where can you find wget? |
| 02:08:57 | bhima | (ie: is it parto f some other package?) |
| 02:09:24 | Tangent | <- Zzzzzzz |
| 02:09:52 | scanline | i don't think it is... |
| 02:09:55 | scanline | Tangent: good night |
| 02:11:35 | bhima | if you don't have a meta key, do you know what the right keystroke is? |
| 02:11:44 | bhima | looks embarassed at his forgetfulness. |
| 02:16:01 | scanline | alt key? |
| 02:17:35 | bhima | escape. somebody else just reminded me :) |
| 02:25:18 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 02:25:37 | Hiraghm | I don't think I'm going to be able to talk Tim Riker into sending me a Tuxscreen via next day air 8c( |
| 02:25:57 | bhima | mmm? why not? |
| 02:26:26 | Hiraghm | he ain't here |
| 02:26:31 | Hiraghm | I been waiting all evening |
| 02:27:09 | Hiraghm | I mean, I'll pay the shipping costs. But I gotta get it on or before wednesday |
| 02:27:59 | Hiraghm | hm.. make that on or before friday. |
| 02:28:06 | Hiraghm | so I have a little time. |
| 02:32:36 | bhima | grr. too many annoying dependencies in the build environment. |
| 02:34:45 | Hiraghm | yeah |
| 02:38:28 | bhima | know any docs that go through manually building a kernel? |
| 02:38:53 | Hiraghm | not a clue |
| 02:39:07 | Hiraghm | offers pizza to the room |
| 02:42:36 | scanline | takes some |
| 02:42:42 | scanline | what flavor? |
| 02:45:19 | bhima | gps: any idea how to build a kernel manually? |
| 02:47:57 | Hiraghm | what flavor kernel, or pizza? |
| 02:48:15 | bhima | tuxscreen kernel. |
| 02:48:20 | bhima | current. |
| 02:48:26 | Hiraghm | beams a smile at bhima |
| 02:48:34 | GPSFan | bhima: not a clue, I'm a hardware guy... |
| 02:49:18 | bhima | sighs. |
| 02:49:42 | bhima | why do so many people consider "it works on my computer" to mean "it's a working build environment"? |
| 02:55:04 | bhima | /usr/home/SpaceCoaster/pr0n/goat/ |
| 02:58:52 | Hiraghm | where'd everyone go? |
| 02:59:02 | Hiraghm | glad you're back |
| 03:00:53 | Hiraghm | Ow |
| 03:01:17 | Hiraghm | huh? |
| 03:05:30 | Hiraghm | sure is quiet |
| 03:08:13 | scanline | pokes at code |
| 03:09:02 | Hiraghm | wants a Tuxscreen |
| 03:09:36 | scanline | order one |
| 03:09:53 | bhima | or two! :) |
| 03:09:59 | scanline | :) |
| 03:10:32 | Hiraghm | I would |
| 03:10:38 | Hiraghm | cept I won't be here when they get here |
| 03:10:42 | Hiraghm | I'd order two even. |
| 03:10:45 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 03:11:06 | Hiraghm | that's why I gotta get em either next day, 2 day or wait til next week |
| 03:11:28 | Hiraghm | (I'd probably get one now, and the other next week) |
| 03:11:55 | bhima | FedEx :) |
| 03:12:41 | Hiraghm | great, all for it |
| 03:12:42 | Hiraghm | how do I get him to do it? |
| 03:12:42 | Hiraghm | was going to pay via paypal, but it doesn't account for 2nd day or next day shipping. |
| 03:12:42 | bhima | no idea. send him email? |
| 03:12:44 | Hiraghm | ooh, there's a thought. |
| 03:13:00 | scanline | you should be able to put in the extra $ for shipping via paypal and tell him in the note that you want faster shipping |
| 03:13:24 | Sammy | Hiraghm : check this page first ... |
| 03:13:25 | bhima | If you want himto send it via USPS next day I'm sure he'd do that. |
| 03:13:27 | Sammy | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//TimRiker |
| 03:13:51 | Sammy | then talk to BZFlag later |
| 03:14:06 | Sammy | Send the mail to him ... |
| 03:14:41 | Sammy | Order to him ... |
| 03:15:26 | Sammy | send the money ... and recheck to tim ... |
| 03:16:08 | Sammy | them wait your toy :) |
| 03:17:41 | Sammy | Hiraghm : make sure how many tux you need ... |
| 03:17:51 | Sammy | and check this http://ircalc.usps.gov/weight.asp?Contents=1 |
| 03:18:05 | Hiraghm | oops.. I sent the email to Sales@tuxscreen.etc |
| 03:18:31 | Hiraghm | Paypal kept calculating it automatically. |
| 03:18:40 | Hiraghm | shipping, I mean. |
| 03:18:52 | Sammy | ok , that's good... |
| 03:18:54 | Hiraghm | I plan on getting one now, and one next week. Or two next week. |
| 03:19:01 | Hiraghm | no, not good. it didn't account for next day. |
| 03:19:35 | Hiraghm | just nermal shipping. |
| 03:19:47 | Hiraghm | smacks head |
| 03:19:55 | Hiraghm | oh, you mean that I sent it to sales is good. okay |
| 03:21:40 | Sammy | but you still need to check to Tim be sure everything is ok. |
| 03:22:11 | Hiraghm | yeah. |
| 03:22:38 | Hiraghm | it's not a big deal; I could wait til next week. Just worried that there'll be a rush and he'll run out. |
| 03:25:57 | bhima | there were >800 a week or two ago. |
| 03:26:34 | Hiraghm | according to the website, 700 now |
| 03:26:41 | Sammy | Hiraghm : hmmm..the saleser is Tim ,so I suggest you wait for maybe few hours when he come here and check detail to him :) |
| 03:27:21 | Sammy | Hiraghm : don't worry , If you really want it , talk to Tim , he will keep for you :) |
| 03:27:22 | Hiraghm | that's why I've been here annoying people since midafternoon my time. hopin he'd show up |
| 03:40:18 | bhima | hrm. why can't it find autoconf.h? |
| 03:43:51 | TrbleClef | hm. tuxscreen has no ethernet support? |
| 03:44:11 | scanline | TrbleClef: Not built-in, but it's easy to add a PCMCIA ethernet card |
| 03:44:18 | TrbleClef | hm |
| 03:44:22 | TrbleClef | i dont know very much about hardware |
| 03:44:39 | TrbleClef | scanline: how? |
| 03:45:00 | scanline | TrbleClef: You buy a $40 card from the computer store, and stick it in the PCMCIA slot |
| 03:45:24 | scanline | 3.3v cards work without any problems |
| 03:45:29 | TrbleClef | how are drivers installed? |
| 03:45:32 | scanline | 5v cards work with a simple hardware modification |
| 03:45:44 | scanline | usually it will detect the drivers automatically |
| 03:45:54 | scanline | I'm using the Netgear FA-411. It works great |
| 03:46:01 | TrbleClef | wow |
| 03:46:03 | TrbleClef | cool |
| 03:46:21 | TrbleClef | ugh, i need to learn some more |
| 03:46:29 | Hiraghm | uhm |
| 03:46:31 | scanline | The Wiki has most of this info |
| 03:46:32 | Hiraghm | I saw the hardware mod |
| 03:46:38 | Hiraghm | simple is a relative term 8c( |
| 03:46:58 | scanline | Hiraghm: There's a new mod that just involves removing a resistor and putting in a switch |
| 03:47:07 | Hiraghm | no bending pins? |
| 03:47:11 | Hiraghm | no cutting grooves? |
| 03:47:14 | scanline | Hiraghm: Right |
| 03:47:18 | Hiraghm | nifty |
| 03:47:26 | Hiraghm | beams a smile near scanline |
| 03:47:55 | Hiraghm | what kind of switch? |
| 03:48:29 | scanline | DPST |
| 03:48:41 | scanline | or you could use an SPST swtich + shottky diode |
| 03:48:58 | scanline | the switch contols 5v/3v for one PCMCIA slot |
| 03:49:15 | scanline | We might have an auto-switching mod later, but it won't be as simple |
| 03:52:11 | TrbleClef | *sigh* |
| 03:59:07 | bhima | anybody here got an autoconf.h fromarm linux that theycould give me? |
| 04:07:42 | GoRK | hello |
| 04:07:50 | scanline | GoRK: Hello |
| 04:07:52 | GoRK | scanline: is your "line out" level a bit cold? |
| 04:08:04 | scanline | works the bugs out of his text processing code |
| 04:08:20 | scanline | GoRK: I don't have a good enough stereo that i'd notice |
| 04:08:22 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 04:08:36 | bhima | yawns. |
| 04:08:36 | scanline | My speakers have a variable resistor on the input line as a volume control |
| 04:08:46 | Hiraghm | also yawns |
| 04:08:46 | bhima | wow. I think I might be building the kenel. |
| 04:08:55 | bhima | this is very annoying. |
| 04:08:58 | Hiraghm | comments like that scare me 8c( |
| 04:08:59 | GoRK | scanline: well using computer speakers though... do you have to turn them higher than when you are using your computer? |
| 04:09:06 | bhima | way too many annoying dependencies and such. |
| 04:09:26 | bhima | thinks that most UNIX build setups suck horribly. |
| 04:09:29 | GoRK | bhima: what are you compiling? |
| 04:09:32 | bhima | likes cons. |
| 04:09:41 | bhima | gork: a kernel for my tuxscreen. |
| 04:09:50 | bhima | which, _hopefully_, will let me adjust the contrast so I can use it. |
| 04:10:33 | GoRK | are you using buildroot-tux? |
| 04:10:36 | bhima | I just needed to move my build tree somewhere with a shorter path. |
| 04:10:44 | bhima | gork: I tried to. but it didn't work. had to do half of it manually. |
| 04:11:08 | GoRK | what cross compiler are you using? is it in your path? |
| 04:11:19 | bhima | It's in my path. I used the handhelds.org one. |
| 04:11:22 | bhima | I'm also running freebsd. |
| 04:11:58 | GoRK | oh well that might have something to do with it then :) what make program are you using? pmake? |
| 04:12:41 | GoRK | or gnu make? |
| 04:13:27 | scanline | GoRK: I could test it... yours is too low? |
| 04:13:58 | Hiraghm | who's using a tux to IRC right now? |
| 04:14:04 | bhima | gnu make. |
| 04:14:19 | GoRK | scanline: yeah i am using the schematic that gpsfan had... tried taking the 610 ohm resistor off.. tried all sorts of things |
| 04:14:52 | bhima | ok, so a "gmake" inthe kernel directory compiled it all. |
| 04:14:58 | scanline | GoRK: 610 ohm resistor? Which schematic is this? |
| 04:15:04 | bhima | now what do I have to send to the tuxscreen itself? :) |
| 04:15:52 | GoRK | bhima: ahh see make... heh.. well you need to do a gmake bzimage instead so you get a compressed kernel |
| 04:16:09 | scanline | GoRK: ohh... R12 |
| 04:16:32 | bhima | no rule to make that. |
| 04:16:34 | scanline | GoRK: If you hook it up like it is in shanip2, it's too low |
| 04:16:45 | bhima | whoops. uppercase I :) |
| 04:16:45 | scanline | GoRK: Hook R11 up to the - side of C5, not C7 |
| 04:17:09 | GoRK | then get blob ready to download the kernel, and uuenpipe arch/arm/boot/zImage >> /dev/yourserialport |
| 04:17:24 | GoRK | if you dont have uuenpipe try uuencode arch/arm/boot/zImage foo >> /dev/yourserialport |
| 04:17:30 | GoRK | scanline ahhhhhhh |
| 04:18:12 | bhima | I used uuencode before without a problem. |
| 04:18:45 | bhima | it's 890k. is that bad? |
| 04:19:05 | GoRK | ahh yes much louder |
| 04:19:19 | GoRK | do you need the cap and the resistors and all to drive it? |
| 04:19:22 | AlHaz | bzimage is an ia32-specific target, isn't it? |
| 04:19:22 | TrbleClef | so is the tuxscreen not for someone who is ill prepared to do major hacking to get anything working |
| 04:19:40 | AlHaz | I mean on sparc you "make vmlinux" and then optionally gzip vmlinux |
| 04:19:55 | bhima | trbleclef: depends on what you want it to do. if you want a speakerphone, it works out of the box :) |
| 04:19:56 | GoRK | AlHaz: no bzimage works for arm |
| 04:20:32 | bhima | I thought that there was a 512k segment for the kernel? Or am I mis-remembering? |
| 04:20:45 | AlHaz | GoRK: must be just to reduce confusion, it just means "pack the zimage a different way so that it can uncompress itself when it's over 512k" but non-ia32 archetectures don't give a hoot what size it is |
| 04:21:06 | GoRK | ah ok |
| 04:21:30 | GoRK | bhima: the kernel segment in flash with the current blob is 1MB (less 128k i think) |
| 04:21:40 | bhima | gork: ok, cool, thank you. |
| 04:21:52 | bhima | holds his breath and gets ready... |
| 04:23:26 | GoRK | brb |
| 04:25:55 | TrbleClef | bhima: not quite what i meant |
| 04:25:55 | TrbleClef | hehe |
| 04:26:15 | bhima | well, the device you get works. |
| 04:26:28 | bhima | just depends on what you want to do with it. |
| 04:26:55 | bhima | personally, I'm re-packaging mine into a DIN enclosure and putting it in my car. |
| 04:27:06 | Hiraghm | I dunno TrbleClef; I'm not a hardware type but I'd love to work on some software for it. But so far, listening to these guys is making me afraid to try getting Linux on it 8c) |
| 04:27:17 | Hiraghm | Ooh! |
| 04:27:26 | Hiraghm | DIN? |
| 04:27:45 | Hiraghm | always thought of a DIN as a small round plug.. |
| 04:27:52 | TrbleClef | Hiraghm: i'm neither :/ |
| 04:27:56 | bhima | DIN is a standards organization. |
| 04:28:44 | bhima | whohooo. |
| 04:28:47 | bhima | got the kernel working. |
| 04:29:00 | bhima | does a happy little dance |
| 04:29:09 | as_ | Is it just me, or was DIN an awful plug. |
| 04:29:21 | as_ | Minidin is quite neet. |
| 04:29:31 | bhima | I dont' have a major problem with DIN. |
| 04:29:35 | bhima | They're very rugged. |
| 04:29:47 | Hiraghm | bhima, what kinda enclosure? |
| 04:29:50 | bhima | but, yeah, I prefer minidin. |
| 04:29:55 | Hiraghm | like a box under the dash? |
| 04:30:04 | bhima | hiraghm: no, DIN standard radio enclosure :) |
| 04:30:07 | bhima | I have no radio in my car. |
| 04:30:14 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 04:30:18 | bhima | Just the ends of three pieces of CAT5 from my trunkl |
| 04:30:18 | Hiraghm | what about the display? |
| 04:30:19 | as_ | I think I only have bad memories of DIN. Maybe becuase it was the connection method for the cassette recorder. |
| 04:30:31 | bhima | the display is going to be on an adjustable short arm. |
| 04:30:35 | Hiraghm | ooh |
| 04:30:37 | bhima | something from www.ram-mount.com probably. |
| 04:30:38 | Hiraghm | nice |
| 04:30:47 | bhima | the tuxscreen will only be a display device. |
| 04:30:56 | bhima | the athlon in the trunk will do the work. |
| 04:30:58 | Hiraghm | huh? |
| 04:31:02 | Hiraghm | oh. |
| 04:31:18 | Hiraghm | what kind of vehicle? |
| 04:31:32 | as_ | Are you using a UPS, or a more cunning power supply? |
| 04:31:36 | Hiraghm | would it be possible to have it monitor your car? |
| 04:31:45 | as_ | Hmm, UPS is the wrong term. |
| 04:32:01 | as_ | I think you get my drift though. |
| 04:32:04 | Hiraghm | like, fuel gauge, engine temp, speed, rpms.... |
| 04:32:06 | bhima | as: initially, I will be using an inverter. |
| 04:32:13 | bhima | eventually a 12v ATX power supply. |
| 04:32:17 | as_ | Invertor, that was the one. |
| 04:32:21 | Hiraghm | hates idiot lights in cars |
| 04:32:33 | bhima | I'm using a TINI to do power management and scuh. |
| 04:32:43 | bhima | TINI is a $50 teensy Java comptuer with ethernet. |
| 04:33:02 | as_ | I hate Java. |
| 04:33:09 | Hiraghm | Off-topic question, since you mentioned the athlon.. if I have an AT lunchbox case, is it possible to fit an ATX motherboard in it? |
| 04:33:32 | bhima | mmm. I don't like it much. but, the ability to run the same code on an embedded device and on anything else is nice. |
| 04:33:39 | Hiraghm | how does the TINI get the data? |
| 04:33:43 | bhima | hiraghm: maybe? need a different PSU, obviously. |
| 04:33:50 | Hiraghm | is asking too many questions. |
| 04:33:56 | bhima | the TINI has parallel I/O stuff and one-wire bus and ethernet. |
| 04:34:16 | Hiraghm | what do you do, reroute the wiring from your dashboard gauges? |
| 04:34:33 | as_ | Id go for an ARM core microcontroller, but then thats me. |
| 04:34:56 | as_ | How fast will the athlon kill the batteries though? |
| 04:35:16 | Hiraghm | I asked about the lunchbox cause I was considering getting a used AT lunchbox case and trying to upgrade the guts. |
| 04:35:34 | bhima | as: It's going to only be running when I am running my engine :) |
| 04:35:50 | as_ | Thats not too bad. |
| 04:36:09 | bhima | as: the huge amoutns of IO pins and the $50 price are why I am using a TINI. |
| 04:36:23 | bhima | I'd much prefer a nice ARM core thing. |
| 04:36:31 | Hiraghm | (bhima? |
| 04:36:32 | bhima | but I want to minimize effort on parts I don't care about that much. |
| 04:36:45 | bhima | I'm not going to do any dashboard gauge stuff now. |
| 04:36:54 | as_ | Lots of IO pins are nice. |
| 04:37:05 | bhima | I will have three axes of accelerometer measurements plus GPS and so on. |
| 04:37:09 | bhima | mapping is my first app. |
| 04:37:18 | as_ | Gyro? |
| 04:37:38 | bhima | cheap-ass solid state acceleromters. |
| 04:37:46 | bhima | need to find the URL. once place had some $2 ones. |
| 04:37:50 | bhima | (current, not surplus) |
| 04:37:50 | Hiraghm | pardon me for being obtuse... how're you going to get the data to the TINI? |
| 04:37:54 | as_ | Thats pretty damn good. |
| 04:38:08 | bhima | hiragm: what data? GPS? That comes from my GPS. Power? 1-wire bus sensors. |
| 04:38:11 | as_ | When you find it, Id like to know. |
| 04:38:12 | Hiraghm | no |
| 04:38:26 | Hiraghm | I mean speed, fuel, temp, etc. |
| 04:38:32 | Hiraghm | or aren't you going to monitor that stuff? |
| 04:38:50 | bhima | for now, I will not be monitoring that stuff. |
| 04:38:55 | bhima | I can read the fuel gauge :) |
| 04:38:59 | Hiraghm | Oh. |
| 04:39:00 | bhima | I can't read the latitude and longitude. |
| 04:39:29 | Hiraghm | maybe monitor was a bad term. I figured if you could feed the fuel data to the computer, it could calculate consumptions. |
| 04:39:46 | bhima | oh, sure, in the future I'd like that. |
| 04:40:01 | Hiraghm | I've often wanted the patience to track fuel consumption against where I buy gas |
| 04:40:04 | as_ | Total internal reflection liquid sensors are quite cunning. |
| 04:40:26 | Hiraghm | Total internal reflection liquid sensors is a quite cunning sentence. |
| 04:40:38 | Hiraghm | massages his aching tongue. |
| 04:40:47 | as_ | Haha. Nah, a bit too showey. But relavent. |
| 04:40:47 | Hiraghm | (or I guess in this case, fingers) |
| 04:41:08 | bhima | hrm. doens't seem like I got the right ucb1200 driver inmy kernel. |
| 04:41:32 | Hiraghm | since you'll have the gps, I assume you'll have wireless internet too? |
| 04:41:40 | bhima | ham radio, plus wavelan. |
| 04:41:47 | bhima | the tuxscreen does the wavelan, in fact :) |
| 04:42:00 | Hiraghm | nifty nifty |
| 04:42:47 | as_ | You have an LED, and a PIN diode in the same package, the light bounces off a shallow angle into the sensor. When the sensor is under the liquid, the refractive index of the surroundings is bigger than air, and the beam nolonger internal relfects. So you have a liquid sensor thats totally solid state. |
| 04:43:43 | Hiraghm | cunning |
| 04:43:57 | as_ | I think thats really cool. |
| 04:44:01 | Hiraghm | me too |
| 04:44:10 | bhima | nifty. |
| 04:44:12 | bhima | very nifty. |
| 04:44:21 | as_ | I wish I could think like that. |
| 04:44:30 | Hiraghm | don't we all |
| 04:44:32 | Hiraghm | sighs |
| 04:44:55 | Hiraghm | bhima ucb 1200? |
| 04:45:07 | bhima | yeah. |
| 04:45:33 | Hiraghm | great. |
| 04:45:38 | bhima | happen to have a patched ucb1200_ts.c file? :) |
| 04:45:50 | Hiraghm | mailserver rejected my email to Sales@tuxscreen.whatever |
| 04:46:03 | Hiraghm | what's ucb1200? |
| 04:46:03 | bhima | .net? |
| 04:46:13 | Hiraghm | yeah, net. |
| 04:46:18 | bhima | it may not have worked because of the suckiness of sourceforge. |
| 04:46:22 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 04:49:58 | Hiraghm | oh well |
| 04:52:58 | Hiraghm | I'm going to pack it in. Thanks for the info. |
| 04:53:06 | Hiraghm | Was nice talkin to you guys. night! |
| 04:59:41 | bhima | whoohoo. |
| 04:59:48 | bhima | you can see the screen! |
| 04:59:54 | GoRK | woo hoo headphone + volume control |
| 05:00:10 | bhima | just got the correctly patched kernel installed. |
| 05:01:48 | GoRK | scanline: you still there? |
| 05:04:27 | bhima | how can I actually turn off the LCD entirely? |
| 05:05:00 | bhima | oh, wait, no, that's actually off, isn't it? cool. |
| 05:14:38 | scanline | GoRK: Yeah, I'm still here... Just watching a movie (my roommate decided I don't watch enough of them :( |
| 05:16:46 | GoRK | hey when coupling to - of c5 is c11 for the line out really necessary? |
| 05:17:26 | scanline | i don't think it is |
| 05:17:31 | scanline | i know for headphones it isn't |
| 05:17:43 | GoRK | it doesnt seem to be for line out either |
| 05:17:50 | GoRK | for headphones the volume is still quite low.. |
| 05:18:02 | GoRK | i mean you cant really blast yourself out.. i put a volume control on though |
| 05:18:11 | bhima | what sort of specs is the tuxscreen's ucb1200 audio? |
| 05:18:21 | bhima | mono/stereo 8bit/16bit? 44.1kHz or less? |
| 05:18:31 | GoRK | bhima: crap. like 11khz mono 16 bit though |
| 05:18:41 | scanline | GoRK: GPSFan noted that if we need more volume we could use both the + and - outputs |
| 05:18:54 | GoRK | the driver implementation is good for it though |
| 05:19:02 | bhima | gork: eww :) |
| 05:19:05 | GoRK | scanline: this should be adequate.. i am still checking it out |
| 05:19:15 | scanline | 11khz? Sounds more like 22khz |
| 05:19:18 | GoRK | bhima: for voip and things it is quite good. |
| 05:19:27 | bhima | oh, random question: how long do you think I could extend the touch screen inputs for? |
| 05:19:38 | bhima | gork: right. I'm wondering, why didn't lucent do that when they designed it? |
| 05:19:44 | GoRK | actually i think you can make it go at 44khz i fyou ahve a fast enough processor |
| 05:20:17 | GoRK | bhima: *shrug* it was just a phone .. voip hadn't been talked about too much at the time they designed this and they already had beeping and things through the dsp |
| 05:20:18 | bhima | what I mean is: would it be reasonable to add, say, 8" or 12" of extra length to the connections? |
| 05:21:00 | scanline | bhima: Should be... the touchscreen is just a 2-dimensional variable resistor. The LCD connections are another matter... |
| 05:21:10 | GoRK | bhima: the ucb1200 calibrates the base resistences at startup so it should be possible to exend them for quite a while assuming you use better wires than that flat ribbon cable they are using |
| 05:21:52 | bhima | ok. cool. I was thinkign of removing the existing connector and replacing it with somethign else, adn using that connector in an adaptor. |
| 05:21:54 | GoRK | if you extend them really far you might have to modify tolerance values in the ucb1200-ts driver but i doubt it |
| 05:22:19 | bhima | If I use high quality shielded cable, am I likely to be able to extend the LCD by 8" or so? |
| 05:22:26 | scanline | yes |
| 05:22:33 | bhima | great. |
| 05:22:34 | scanline | the frequencies are less than what a CRT uses |
| 05:22:35 | GoRK | yeah im talking if you want to extend it say ... 10 feet |
| 05:22:47 | scanline | so if you have good shielding, the video should be extendable pretty far too |
| 05:23:00 | bhima | excellent. I will be very insane about shieldign and such, since it's in a car. |
| 05:23:37 | bhima | is much happier with the contrast being adjustable onwo. |
| 05:23:46 | scanline | ah. Yeah, cars tend to add a lot of noise to any electrical system |
| 05:24:06 | bhima | I work with some very good hardware engineers at work. I can prolly run problems by them too :) |
| 05:24:27 | bhima | but they do tend to work on different tyeps of hardware stuff. |
| 05:27:03 | bhima | sleep. |
| 05:27:08 | bhima | gone. |
| 06:15:10 | GoRK | hello anyone a resident analog electronics guru? :) |
| 06:44:14 | Russ | bhima? |
| 06:55:12 | rfbrown | GoRK: Guru's too strong a word, but I'm an engineer and (as of today) a TuxScreen owner! |
| 06:58:50 | GoRK | sweet... :) |
| 06:59:57 | GoRK | rfbrown: well all im trying to do is take the audio output of the phone and deliver it to headphones with a volume control and line out at the same time.. the problem is that when i turn up the volume on the headphones, i lose bass on the line out due to operating the headphones speaker |
| 07:00:27 | GoRK | rfbrown: my pcb (sorry the only schematic i have is hand drawn on paper here) is at www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork4.gif |
| 07:01:04 | rfbrown | GoRK: going to get it.... |
| 07:02:05 | GoRK | i know very little about electronics actually (in case you didnt figure that out :) |
| 07:05:07 | rfbrown | I know very little about linux, so there's a lot of new ground being broken! |
| 07:05:19 | GoRK | linux, i can tell you about :) |
| 07:07:57 | scanline | squashes wordwrapping bugs... |
| 07:08:11 | rfbrown | Ah, the 56k dialup blues... I've got the GIF, just looking up the schematics on tuxscreen.net |
| 07:09:41 | rfbrown | ...there's a shanip2 (or something) schematic there... is that anything to do with your board? |
| 07:10:48 | GoRK | yes it follows that except for the headphone and line out jacks |
| 07:10:53 | GoRK | well |
| 07:11:12 | GoRK | line out and phones out are coupled to - pole of c5 instead of to c7 also |
| 07:14:53 | rfbrown | < scribbling on a piece of paper > |
| 07:16:57 | GoRK | im doing mic and line in now.. i think it is easy |
| 07:20:37 | rfbrown | What's IC500? < terminates the Inferno download, starts downloading schematics > |
| 07:21:49 | GoRK | it's just a via on the board. the circut used to connect directly to a dsp input and required an op amp... gpsfan found an op amp on the board itself that we could tie into instead |
| 07:22:38 | GoRK | shanip2 is our much simplified version of a lucent board (hopefully with new and better features!) |
| 07:23:00 | scanline | rfbrown: There's another input connected to that op-amp through a 100k resistor, so this uses the op-amp to add the two signals |
| 07:23:25 | GoRK | right. the other input is the audio off the phone line itself |
| 07:28:14 | rfbrown | right... I'm doing a crash course. And taking my phone apart, which (considering I've had it for several hours now) should have happened long before now... |
| 07:28:41 | GoRK | hehe |
| 07:29:50 | GoRK | haha im streaming shoutcast to one computer which has its line out connected to my line in on the phone then the phone is recording from /dev/dsp and sending the output over the network to another computer which is playing it |
| 07:30:27 | scanline | neat! |
| 07:31:47 | rfbrown | very! |
| 07:32:07 | scanline | which shoutcast station? |
| 07:41:11 | GoRK | dunno just clicked on some techno station |
| 07:41:31 | scanline | di.fm probably :) |
| 07:45:44 | rfbrown | hmmm... got carried away, looking at all this stuff... IC500 is a 74LVC02 OR gate, and it's by the flash. Should it be IC501? |
| 07:46:44 | GoRK | dunno the diagram where the via is is on the schematics page of the wiki |
| 07:48:45 | rfbrown | Oh, hang on- there's an IC501 on that board as well. 5-minute PCB inspection won't tell me anything. Back to plan A... |
| 07:49:37 | GoRK | basically what comes to us from spkr+ needs to go to phones and line out |
| 07:50:02 | GoRK | as well as through the circut to ic500-13 or whatever it is |
| 07:55:59 | rfbrown | quick thought, since spkr+ is used for other things, how about running the headphone off spkr-? You could still run the line out off spkr+, because it won't be much of a load. (slap me if you've already tried that one) |
| 08:03:48 | GoRK | nope gpsfan suggested coupling onto spkr- for some extra juice |
| 08:03:56 | GoRK | i will have to try in the morning though.. tired :) |
| 08:05:20 | GoRK | requires another cap but that's ok |
| 08:09:45 | rfbrown | Ok, I don't have the UCB1200 datasheet here (downloading) but I think it's a full-bridge amplifier, so you can use spkr- with a cap (+ to the UCB) and then your pot and headphones... |
| 08:11:03 | GoRK | the next thing is building the line-in interface and a mic-in interface for this board also... i did some simple things but i dont think it's going to work |
| 08:13:40 | rfbrown | BTW, do you mean hi-fi line in, or telephone line in? |
| 08:14:32 | GoRK | i mean consumer -10dbu line in |
| 08:14:36 | GoRK | audio style |
| 08:18:24 | rfbrown | Cool. Well, I'd say that the reason your bass disappears is that as the resistance of the headphone/pot drops, the RC filter of the headphones and C5, well, filters out your bass. |
| 08:19:07 | rfbrown | But I'm still confused about where IC500 comes into it (but I did find it on ucb1200a.pdf) so I'll look at it some more. |
| 08:19:27 | GoRK | http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/emain66by.jpg it's the via circled in that |
| 08:26:14 | rfbrown | Yeah, thanks for the pointer, I'm still getting up to speed... |
| 08:26:14 | GoRK | well i am going to sleep. thanks for your help. good luck hacking at your phone :) |
| 08:27:39 | rfbrown | Thanks, sleep well. Maybe more help after some familiarisation! |
| 12:12:08 | MicroChip32 | anyone awake ? |
| 12:15:43 | mallum | I am |
| 12:18:05 | MicroChip32 | know anything about the jtag dongle ? |
| 12:33:14 | MicroChip32 | /away Getting JTAG parts |
| 13:43:16 | pattieja | is back (gone 38:06:17) |
| 13:54:59 | CosmicPenguin | morning all |
| 13:59:43 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : Morning |
| 14:00:13 | CosmicPenguin | Any fun news this weekend? |
| 14:01:04 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:01:28 | GPSFan | morning |
| 14:01:39 | mallum | hi prpplague, CosmicPenguin, Tangent ... |
| 15:06:28 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: are you around, or just faking it ? |
| 15:07:32 | kernelwork | I'm here |
| 15:07:48 | MicroChip32 | ohhhh he's alive ;) |
| 15:07:55 | MicroChip32 | can i msg you ? |
| 15:16:20 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: If you are awake, I updated the DSP spec page with your new findings and posted it.... |
| 15:16:35 | CosmicPenguin | If I can get BZFlag's approval, I'll stick it on the tuxscreen site, so we can all edit it directly.... |
| 15:35:41 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: hi, any changes required to the wheaties driver from the spec changes? |
| 15:42:06 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Not that I can see, I just added the results of scanlines poking of values into the DSP_AUDIO_CMD.... |
| 15:43:06 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: thanks, I am working on splitting the driver into three, ssp/spi, wheaties and serial flash, I think that's close to what you suggested at the start. |
| 15:44:08 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I don't think there will be any problem with that.... i advocate small specialized drivers over huge "everything + the kitchen sink" files |
| 15:45:44 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: the SSP is a shared resource with other machines as are the GPIO lines, so separating them out makes integration clearer, the big single file is easiest for initial development tho' |
| 15:48:03 | MicroChip32 | fwiw i like small modularized units too |
| 15:51:36 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Actually, nothinga bout the SSP/SPI is shannon specific (except maybe the pin assignments, and those could be #defined anyway)... |
| 15:51:49 | CosmicPenguin | IMHO that driver should be part of the standard SA11XX package... |
| 15:53:38 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: the way we use the GPIO as an RTS/CTS is really special, probably unique |
| 16:16:07 | CosmicPenguin | Doh! DNS went buhbye there for a minute..... |
| 16:17:55 | signal11 | what choo talkin about willis |
| 16:20:47 | | hello, Hiraghm |
| 16:20:47 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 16:20:53 | | hi, Hiraghm |
| 16:20:53 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 16:20:58 | Hiraghm | bots |
| 16:21:01 | Hiraghm | chuckles |
| 16:21:52 | MicroChip32 | grabs the back of Hiraghm's undies and pulls them over Hiraghm's head! |
| 16:21:57 | MicroChip32 | thats for annoying the bots :) |
| 16:23:49 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Whats going on back there? |
| 16:24:08 | signal11 | nothing out of the ordinary |
| 16:24:13 | signal11 | afaik |
| 16:50:49 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 16:51:40 | Russ|werk | morning |
| 16:52:03 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: checked any of my new (slightly broken) kernel snapshots? |
| 16:56:51 | sammy_wms | Russ : yo |
| 17:01:44 | SteevD | is AWAY at 18:04:26 : Watching the fireworks |
| 17:03:05 | Russ|werk | hey sammy_wms |
| 17:03:08 | Russ|werk | why "wms" |
| 17:31:15 | scanline | is away: food + school |
| 17:58:09 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: you still there? |
| 18:11:31 | MicroChip32 | GoRK: nope, he saw you coming. <G> |
| 18:29:20 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 18:38:53 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Hello! |
| 18:44:07 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 18:44:10 | Hiraghm | Sorry... smurfing in the background. |
| 18:46:14 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: have you looked at any of my new (slightly broken) kernel patches? |
| 18:47:19 | Niddix | I've almost decided that Inferno and RedHat 7.0 don't work together. |
| 18:47:19 | Russ|werk | not likely |
| 18:47:19 | Hiraghm | are they supposed to? |
| 18:47:20 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I haven't tried em yet.... the only Tuxscreen stuff I've had time to do lately has been UI based... haven't even compiiled up the DSP stuff (gasp!) |
| 18:47:20 | Niddix | Well since the linux I have installed is RedHat 7.0, It would be nice if InfernoRemote worked with it. |
| 18:47:20 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Should I make it a priority to try out the patches? |
| 18:47:20 | Hiraghm | well, it would be nice if InfernoRemote worked with Irix, too. |
| 18:47:20 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: It works fine with 7.1.. :) |
| 18:47:20 | Hiraghm | wonders if it does... |
| 18:47:25 | Niddix | Perhaps I shall upgrade. |
| 18:47:32 | Niddix | Although it might be my laptop. |
| 18:47:44 | Niddix | Maybe my serial port is hosed. |
| 18:47:52 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: My intention was that if it works with 7.1, it should work with 7.0.... |
| 18:48:41 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: That would be a safe assumption. By why then would I not be able to download anything off or onto my tux via InfernoRemote. |
| 18:49:12 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: I can pull more stuff off of it in Windows. But I still can't upload jack. |
| 18:50:31 | Niddix | I've got a PC here with Redhat 7.1 on it. But the Inferno Install fails. |
| 18:50:48 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: I was never able to download anything.... |
| 18:50:52 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I changed the ioctl interface |
| 18:50:53 | Niddix | Just not me week. |
| 18:50:58 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: You have the correct linuxemu from the tuxscreen website... |
| 18:51:10 | MicroChip32 | pulls out a Linux manual and repeatedly beats MacAtack over the head screaming "Down with MicroSoft! Down with MicroSoft!" |
| 18:51:10 | Niddix | Yeah I did grab that. |
| 18:51:12 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: and I think I'll move it too, over to /dev/fb |
| 18:51:17 | MicroChip32 | g'mornin MacAtack |
| 18:51:38 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Ok.... Is that what the Ipaq is doing as well? |
| 18:51:48 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: only problem is, that at fb init time, the ucb driver isn't up, so I can't set the default values |
| 18:51:51 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: All I'm trying to to is get blob onto my tux. |
| 18:51:57 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: no, but if I do it right, they might switch |
| 18:52:16 | Russ|werk | its where it should be IMHO |
| 18:52:45 | Russ|werk | maybe I could make a seperate small driver that exports symbols that the fb would use |
| 18:52:46 | Hiraghm | Microchip, these guys are scaring me again |
| 18:52:52 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I have mixed feelings about that..... From a user standpoint it feels like it should be in /dev/fb, but from a code standpoint, it seems like it should be grouped with the others.... |
| 18:53:04 | Russ|werk | then it would init itself and keep sa1100fb.c uncluttered |
| 18:53:24 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: how so? |
| 18:53:45 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: but how do I make sure it inits after the ucb1x00 driver? |
| 18:54:26 | Hiraghm | they're talking about having trouble gettin linux onto a Tuxscreen |
| 18:54:49 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I don't know........ you would almost have to stick a function into the UCB init anyway.... |
| 18:54:50 | Hiraghm | Do the Tuxscreens come with the Tuxscreen label already in place? Cause I'd like to make my own. |
| 18:54:51 | MacAtack | MicroChip32: you hiding in icq? |
| 18:55:03 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: prolly user error ;) |
| 18:55:06 | MicroChip32 | MacAtack: nope |
| 18:55:15 | Hiraghm | Microchip, that's what worries me. I'm good at user errors 8c) |
| 18:55:25 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: hehehe |
| 18:55:27 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: think I'll try a seperate driver that sa1100fb.c can interface with and see how it goes |
| 18:55:28 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 18:55:43 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Sounds good to me..... |
| 18:55:45 | Hiraghm | been a year since I've done any real programming. Hope I haven't gotten too rusty |
| 18:55:58 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: if all else fails get a sticker, write "Linux" on it, and paste it to the front of your tux. ;) |
| 18:56:07 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I guess we could init the UCB earlier, but since there is no need to, i wouldn't go disrupting the bootup process quite yet |
| 18:56:22 | Russ|werk | so under the sa1100fb config option, there would be backlight support, and a bunch of options under that for individual arches |
| 18:56:23 | Niddix | Hiraghm: Mine came with a paper sticker on the keyboard. |
| 18:56:26 | Hiraghm | hehe.. no. I've got a lamination machine and a couple ink-jet printers. I think I can make a nice looking logo with a Tux penguin on it |
| 18:56:37 | Niddix | Hiraghm: I'd bet it would pull off easy. |
| 18:56:49 | Hiraghm | probably |
| 18:56:53 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: anyway, the newer kernels all hang on remount |
| 18:56:58 | Hiraghm | screams for Tim Riker to show up |
| 18:57:06 | Hiraghm | oh yeah, nevermind. gonna wait til next week. |
| 18:57:32 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Doh! Did dwm's flurry of new patches finally bork? |
| 18:57:45 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I don't know, its been broken for a while now |
| 18:58:31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Ipaq too? |
| 18:59:00 | Russ|werk | dunno |
| 18:59:37 | Hiraghm | mmmmmmmm Ipaq |
| 19:04:26 | DrXenon | joy! my tux screen came today. |
| 19:04:38 | AlHazWork | happy happy, joy joy . . . |
| 19:05:14 | Hiraghm | cheers DrXenon |
| 19:06:09 | DrXenon | is there anyuthing worth preserving in the stock ROM, or should i go ahead and do a linux brain transplant? |
| 19:06:26 | AlHazWork | nope, it's a wasteland of 1998 technology |
| 19:06:39 | GoRK | haha |
| 19:09:09 | kernelwork | iPAQ is cool, but overrated |
| 19:09:13 | Hiraghm | it is? |
| 19:09:14 | kernelwork | or is that over priced? |
| 19:09:19 | kernelwork | one of those |
| 19:09:29 | dirkx | BZFlag - do you have an alternative address. your normal address seems down. |
| 19:09:30 | Hiraghm | $399 at radioshack |
| 19:09:35 | kernelwork | eh? |
| 19:09:35 | Hiraghm | (or is it 299?) |
| 19:09:45 | Hiraghm | BZFlag!! |
| 19:09:47 | kernelwork | Oh, you must be talking mono iPAQ |
| 19:09:54 | Hiraghm | talking 3765 |
| 19:10:04 | Hiraghm | doesn't see BZFlag |
| 19:10:05 | kernelwork | wow |
| 19:10:11 | kernelwork | !seen BZFlag |
| 19:10:14 | Hiraghm | points at BZFlag! |
| 19:10:19 | DrXenon | fair enough, i'll do the lobotomy tonight (after i show She Who Must Be Obeyed that it's a phone and not just a massive waste of cash.) |
| 19:10:34 | Hiraghm | how do I get his attention? |
| 19:10:53 | Hiraghm | waves his arms frantically in front of BZFlag |
| 19:11:05 | Hiraghm | I forgot that Tim Riker and BZFlag hang out together 8c( |
| 19:11:17 | kernelwork | Dumb question, but have you /msg'd him? |
| 19:11:25 | GoRK | alternatively, you could try to actaully ask the question |
| 19:11:35 | kernelwork | *gasp* not that... |
| 19:11:44 | scanline | is back (gone 01:40:29) |
| 19:11:54 | GoRK | yo |
| 19:12:02 | | what's up, Hiraghm |
| 19:12:02 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 19:12:14 | Hiraghm | no, I haven't msged him. hey, I haven't even IRCed in a couple years 8c) |
| 19:12:31 | Hiraghm | The question? How do I get a Tuxscreen sent to me by friday? |
| 19:12:37 | GoRK | scanline: hey i brought back spkr- to drive the headphone output by itself. it wont distort the line out's bass that way |
| 19:12:44 | kernelwork | Pay more for shipping :) |
| 19:12:48 | Hiraghm | gladly. |
| 19:12:49 | Hiraghm | How? |
| 19:12:51 | GoRK | scanline: on the downside, it requires another 10uF cap |
| 19:12:57 | Hiraghm | Paypal doesn't seem to account for it |
| 19:13:00 | Niddix | You order one by tonight and pay for overnight shipping. |
| 19:13:21 | Niddix | Just add the cost into your payment and tell him in your message that you want it faster. |
| 19:13:25 | kernelwork | Hiraghm: what's the hurry? |
| 19:13:36 | Hiraghm | hopefully my address will change by then |
| 19:13:52 | Hiraghm | but I'm not sure it will, and not *exactly* sure of the new one even if it does. |
| 19:13:59 | kernelwork | eh? |
| 19:14:06 | Niddix | You could just wait till after you move. |
| 19:14:08 | Hiraghm | I'm moving |
| 19:14:12 | kernelwork | isn't the USPS pretty good about that? |
| 19:14:13 | Hiraghm | nods |
| 19:14:14 | BZFlag | is TimRiker |
| 19:14:15 | Hiraghm | I could do that |
| 19:14:24 | Hiraghm | pokes BZFlag |
| 19:14:40 | Hiraghm | it's the billing part that has me stumped. I was going to pay via Paypal |
| 19:14:55 | Hiraghm | but it kept automagically adding the default shipping |
| 19:15:07 | Hiraghm | pokes BZFlag again |
| 19:15:36 | Hiraghm | I can wait til next week; I plan on getting a 2nd one anyway. I just wanted to play with one now. |
| 19:15:39 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: just go to paypal.com and do a "Send Money" for the correct ammount. |
| 19:15:50 | BZFlag | the quick link is just for easy US orders. |
| 19:15:53 | Niddix | installs Slackware 8.0 for the 5th time today. |
| 19:15:54 | Hiraghm | Oh. |
| 19:16:03 | Hiraghm | god forbid I should do anything the easy way 8c) |
| 19:16:20 | kernelwork | Hey, I know how it goes... I use debian |
| 19:16:31 | ctr | BZFlag: what wiki software are you using on tuxscreen.net? |
| 19:16:31 | kernelwork | I never do things the easy way |
| 19:16:50 | Hiraghm | So a question that remains unanswered.. is it possible to install linux on the Tuxscreen from Irix rather than Linux? |
| 19:16:58 | kernelwork | SourceForge wiki isn't it? |
| 19:17:04 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: shipment will go out tomorrow morning. where are you located? most us priority mail is 2-3 days, so friday should be fine. |
| 19:17:16 | Hiraghm | Oklahoma City (73112) |
| 19:17:29 | kernelwork | Hiraghm: It all depends on if you can get InfernoRemote for Irix (see wiki) |
| 19:17:45 | BZFlag | ctr: sfwiki.sourceforge.net |
| 19:18:18 | scanline | GoRK: That's cool |
| 19:18:20 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: hmm.. the install required Inferno or jtag. Onve blob is on there, any os will work. |
| 19:18:53 | Hiraghm | hokay. I'll reinstall mandrake 7.0 (or maybe I'll get 8.0) on my notebook. |
| 19:18:57 | Niddix | BZFlag: You should offer some for sale pre-blob'd. |
| 19:19:04 | scanline | GoRK: Who do you think is going to be selling these PCBs? |
| 19:19:08 | Hiraghm | yeah, like mine 8c) |
| 19:19:41 | kernelwork | I'd buy pre-blob'd when getting another. |
| 19:19:45 | Niddix | BZFlag: With the agony i've been having with Inferno I'd easily have paid an extra $25 bucks or so to avoid it. |
| 19:19:47 | GoRK | scanline: i dont care. i think it would be nice to have them as an option with the phone. i can have them made and distribute them or whatever |
| 19:20:20 | Hiraghm | agrees with Niddix and hasn't had any agony yet |
| 19:20:21 | BZFlag | Niddix: I suppose I'd do a blob install for another $20 usd, but then you would not get to try Inferno out. |
| 19:20:23 | GoRK | scanline: it would be handy too to have the bits you can't just buy at radio shack come with the boards -- audio jacks, volume pot, header pins |
| 19:20:26 | kernelwork | I had mine for 2 months before putting linux on it because I never got around to flashing it. I ended up having CosmicPenguin help me (read: do it for me) |
| 19:20:43 | scanline | GoRK: Yeah, that would be cool. |
| 19:20:59 | Hiraghm | One blobbed and one unblobbed would give me a chance to work both ways before risking a machine by installing blob myself |
| 19:21:05 | scanline | might not bug BZFlag too much to be able to toss in a PCB with the phone shipment for an extra few $ ? |
| 19:21:10 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: fine by me. |
| 19:21:37 | BZFlag | scanline: as soon as we settle on a board, I can include them, sure. |
| 19:22:03 | Hiraghm | I'll order the first one unblobbed, since I won't have access to my other computers for awhile. |
| 19:22:07 | Hiraghm | but anyway... |
| 19:22:07 | scanline | BZFlag: cool |
| 19:22:23 | GoRK | BZFlag: ive got a nearly complete design... line in and mic in are all that is left... that and changing the jacks to stereo which only takes a couple more resistors |
| 19:22:39 | scanline | GoRK: Why resistors to make the jacks stereo? |
| 19:22:52 | BZFlag | GoRK: sweet. I look forward to testing it out. |
| 19:23:10 | GoRK | to take stereo line in you have to mix left and right. you can't just combine them. 10K resistors on each line do the job |
| 19:23:16 | BZFlag | my lame ISP shutdown last friday so the whole weekend was spent trying to get my DSL line back. |
| 19:23:28 | GoRK | BZFlag: ugh. sounds harsh |
| 19:23:32 | scanline | GoRK: Oh, for line in. Makes sense |
| 19:23:52 | BZFlag | still not up. I'm leaching off a neighbor on 802.11b now. |
| 19:24:04 | scanline | BZFlag: ha. Good luck with the DSL |
| 19:24:10 | GoRK | scanline: also have two reisistors to change line level to mic level and then another two resistors to mix mic and line |
| 19:24:32 | scanline | GoRK: Cool. So you just need to test it? |
| 19:24:45 | GoRK | scanline: a guru will probably be able to reduce the bizzare resistor matrix to only a few |
| 19:25:12 | Hiraghm | DSL bad? |
| 19:25:14 | scanline | GoRK: Yeah... where's GPSFan when you need him? |
| 19:25:25 | GoRK | plus there is some humming i think i need another capacitor or something |
| 19:25:41 | scanline | for me, most of the humming disappeared when I built it inside the phone |
| 19:27:14 | GoRK | scanline: that was probably just a loose capacitor... but i am talking a hum that comes when you ground the line in |
| 19:27:41 | scanline | GoRK: Ah. maybe capacitively couple the line in's ground? |
| 19:27:47 | GoRK | scanline: right |
| 19:27:54 | GoRK | scanline just havent had time to do it |
| 19:28:01 | scanline | ok |
| 19:28:22 | scanline | Both Exadigm and Smartdata seem to be in time crunches, so they've got people asking me questions... |
| 19:28:29 | Hiraghm | BZFlag, so should I just use the normal paypal shipping, since you think it should get here by friday? |
| 19:31:57 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: that's what I'd do if I were you. They do not gaurantee that delivery date, but in my experience they hit it over 90% of the time. |
| 19:32:35 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: you could pay for Express delivery, that is guaranteed, but costs more. ;-) |
| 19:34:46 | GoRK | scanline: The newest shanip2 pcb design is at www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork5.gif |
| 19:35:44 | scanline | I don't think that URL is right |
| 19:35:44 | GoRK | err at least it is now |
| 19:35:44 | Hiraghm | Nah, I'll just take my chances. Even if everything goes okay, I'm only moving across town. |
| 19:36:08 | scanline | never mind... |
| 19:36:08 | scanline | works now |
| 19:36:08 | GoRK | it is now :) i put it in the wrong directory |
| 19:36:08 | scanline | ah :) |
| 19:36:58 | scanline | neat |
| 19:37:14 | Hiraghm | BZFlag, okay, going to order it now... I assume it'll work in Inferno mode out of the box, right? |
| 19:37:18 | scanline | so no stereo yet, but R31-R34 mix line in and mic in with the built-in mic? |
| 19:37:44 | GoRK | yes |
| 19:37:48 | GoRK | or they are supposed to |
| 19:39:11 | scanline | ok |
| 19:40:09 | Hiraghm | ok |
| 19:40:19 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 19:41:01 | Hiraghm | instead of gluing laminated logos onto it, I could just get clear labels. print out the design and stick it on the Tuxscreen. cept it wouldn't look as pro. |
| 19:41:07 | Hiraghm | ponders some more |
| 19:41:22 | Hiraghm | y'know, in this room.. I feel like Stef in User Friendly. |
| 19:48:55 | AlHazWork | well, for one, this is irc, not aol, so it's a channel, not a room |
| 19:50:21 | Hiraghm | wouldn't know, never been on AoL |
| 19:50:57 | Hiraghm | of course, to continue the correction, one would be ON a channel. |
| 19:51:12 | Hiraghm | waves near MicroChip32 |
| 19:51:47 | Hiraghm | 'room' sometimes slips out since the closest thing to realtime chat I've done in a couple years is chat room prepartion for Vox raids in Everquest. so nyaaa |
| 19:52:25 | MicroChip32 | room/channel same dif to most ppl |
| 19:52:46 | Hiraghm | so I thought. |
| 19:55:09 | Hiraghm | Question: does anyone know of Linux speech synthesis software that's likely to run in the Tuxscreen's limited ram/storage? |
| 19:55:54 | Russ|werk | probably |
| 19:55:55 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: it's just something that annoys me, since i remember irc pre-aol |
| 19:56:01 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Probably not.... but thats a quality appliation for a CF |
| 19:56:26 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: flite |
| 19:56:30 | AlHazWork | I remember how annoyed we were on efnet when Delphi customers got irc clients |
| 19:56:37 | AlHazWork | man, we didn't know what we had coming . . . |
| 19:56:38 | GoRK | well there are plenty that won't sound very good but sure |
| 19:56:47 | AlHazWork | apologized to all the delphi folk when AOL got an irc client |
| 19:57:12 | AlHazWork | Hiraghm: try Festival |
| 19:57:30 | scanline | Festival has pretty big CPU requirements IIRC |
| 19:57:32 | GoRK | i will probably make a demo tuxphone client that reads out callerid :) |
| 19:57:33 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: flite is festival light. |
| 19:57:47 | scanline | checks out flite too |
| 19:57:56 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: ah |
| 19:57:58 | Hiraghm | I was thinking of using the speech synthesis over the phone |
| 19:58:05 | CosmicPenguin | Does it work well w/o floating point? |
| 19:58:16 | GoRK | Hiraghm: well we can't currently pump audio down the phoneline :) |
| 19:58:33 | Hiraghm | doh. |
| 19:58:34 | scanline | All we need is a telecom codec driver :) |
| 19:58:41 | Hiraghm | so much for that idea |
| 19:58:51 | GoRK | well i gotta go ill bbiaw |
| 19:58:56 | scanline | Hiraghm: putting audio on the phone line is probably just a software matter |
| 19:58:57 | Hiraghm | waves near GoRK |
| 19:59:00 | scanline | Bye GoRK |
| 19:59:16 | Hiraghm | Al... did you ever get on CIS? |
| 19:59:31 | AlHazWork | Hiraghm: Nope |
| 19:59:42 | Hiraghm | scanline, hope so. Then again.. For what I have in mind, that's not necessary. |
| 19:59:59 | AlHazWork | started using the 'net in '89, through a computer at a college library. |
| 20:00:12 | AlHazWork | ibm mainframe running vm-cms, I had a virtual 340k disk to work on |
| 20:00:14 | Hiraghm | Ahhh. I did. I used to live on there 10 years ago when I was developing Amiga apps. *before* it was bought by AoL |
| 20:00:27 | andersee | you mean ftp and gopher? |
| 20:00:46 | AlHazWork | ya, gopher |
| 20:00:56 | andersee | I remember those days. |
| 20:00:59 | AlHazWork | I remember seeing .HTML files on ftp sites and wondering what they were |
| 20:01:02 | andersee | They sucked. ;-) |
| 20:01:09 | AlHazWork | finally someone told me "It's like gopher, but with pictures" |
| 20:01:14 | Hiraghm | (actually, it was even before CIS had internet access) |
| 20:01:21 | AlHazWork | to which i said "pictures? on a vt100 dialup?" |
| 20:01:54 | AlHazWork | andersee: yeah, but the signal to noise ratio was a lot different |
| 20:01:54 | andersee | Even see rip graphics on a bbs? |
| 20:02:02 | Hiraghm | yup |
| 20:02:04 | andersee | s/Even/Ever/ |
| 20:02:10 | AlHazWork | andersee: occasionally, usually something would drop a packet or two and it'd get all corrupted |
| 20:02:17 | Hiraghm | still have a RIP terminal somewhere |
| 20:02:58 | andersee | heh |
| 20:03:12 | Hiraghm | anyway, bout 10 years ago I wrote a little Amiga hack that had a talking head. It'd read a file or take a line of text from the command line and recite it |
| 20:03:21 | Hiraghm | lip-synced to the cartoon face. |
| 20:03:37 | AlHazWork | for a while every BBS would have a big RIP splash screen that would never render properly for me |
| 20:03:53 | Hiraghm | Just occurred to me that something like that might be kind of cute for the tuxscreen. for incomming calls and the like |
| 20:05:07 | Hiraghm | Festival lite. Thanks, I'll go digging for it. |
| 20:05:07 | andersee | Hiraghm: And you could make it sing songs from Art of Noise and name it Max Headrom. :) |
| 20:05:18 | Hiraghm | andersee, I'm not *that* twisted 8c) |
| 20:05:46 | Hiraghm | actually, I've thought about creating Max Headroom in OpenGL. It's doable now. (I guess that means we're now 20 minutes into the future...) |
| 20:06:08 | andersee | That would be cool |
| 20:06:18 | andersee | But not on the tuxscreen. |
| 20:06:20 | andersee | :) |
| 20:06:28 | andersee | 1 frame per week... |
| 20:06:46 | signal11 | we need to find a way to graft on a 3d chip |
| 20:07:05 | Hiraghm | lol |
| 20:07:06 | signal11 | actually the only hardware hack I want to do is make the screen flip a few degrees more forward. |
| 20:07:13 | scanline | signal11: I' |
| 20:07:15 | scanline | ack |
| 20:07:16 | Niddix | You mean I can't plug a Gforce 3 into it? |
| 20:07:22 | scanline | signal11: I'd be in for that hack :) |
| 20:07:23 | AlHazWork | sounds like a job for a dremel tool |
| 20:07:24 | Niddix | (That was a joke.) |
| 20:07:26 | signal11 | so you can see the screen at eye level |
| 20:07:34 | AlHazWork | just whack off the bit on the front there |
| 20:07:42 | Hiraghm | I'd settle for a Voodoo 3 1000. |
| 20:07:47 | Niddix | puts down his Gforce and soldering iron. |
| 20:07:58 | signal11 | they never made a 3.3v pcmcia 3d accelerator? |
| 20:08:15 | andersee | heh |
| 20:08:27 | Hiraghm | actually... that does prod an ancient brain cell... pcmcia video card? |
| 20:08:48 | AlHazWork | mac users have some pcmcia 3d cards, but i think they're really cardbus |
| 20:08:55 | scanline | has a dremel... Maybe I'll try that ;) |
| 20:08:58 | Hiraghm | aw |
| 20:09:03 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: They've been discussing that for months on the Ipaq list.... |
| 20:09:18 | Hiraghm | really? |
| 20:09:25 | andersee | signal11: Actually, with 20 minutes and a soldering iron you can run 5V pcmcia cards, so at least that isn't a problem. |
| 20:09:58 | andersee | Even if you are a clumsy oaf like me. :) |
| 20:10:16 | Hiraghm | There's only 2 Windows apps I really want... Lightwave 3D and Idruna Photogenics for the PocketPC |
| 20:11:08 | Hiraghm | (and there's a version of Photogenics for Linux... bet it'll never get ported to the arm processor though) |
| 20:11:08 | andersee | Hiraghm: You mean are arn't trying to run Maya on the tuxscreen? |
| 20:11:16 | Hiraghm | Heck no. |
| 20:11:29 | andersee | Hiraghm: I'm shocked |
| 20:11:32 | andersee | ;-) |
| 20:11:44 | Hiraghm | Why? I think LW gives better output than Maya 8c) |
| 20:12:53 | Hiraghm | It just occurred to me that the only software I want/need that requires Windows is those two. |
| 20:13:35 | Hiraghm | Would it be hard to port the gcc compiler to be native to the Tux? |
| 20:14:25 | Hiraghm | (then again, why would you want to..) |
| 20:14:36 | scanline | Hiraghm: No, but you'd have to upgrade the tux's memory |
| 20:14:40 | Niddix | Check out http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/IPAQ_PRESENTER/ipaq_presenter.html |
| 20:14:48 | Hiraghm | to 40 meg? 8c) |
| 20:14:56 | scanline | yeah |
| 20:15:00 | Hiraghm | hope to. |
| 20:15:01 | scanline | or get it some swap space |
| 20:17:19 | andersee | scanline: you can swap over nbd... |
| 20:17:44 | scanline | andersee: Have you tried that? I think GoRK was trying to get it to work and was having kernel trouble |
| 20:17:47 | GoRK | andersee: i havent found patches that will apply properly to our kernel |
| 20:17:55 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 20:18:05 | andersee | We really need to upgrade our kernel. |
| 20:18:17 | scanline | yup |
| 20:18:18 | andersee | If noone has gotten to it by this weekend, I'll do that. |
| 20:18:25 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Russ says there are JFFS2 issues |
| 20:18:37 | GoRK | with all the VM stuff happening in 2.4, there aren't patches for any of the network stuff that i've found more recent than 2.4.0 |
| 20:20:05 | GoRK | andersee: russ has been working on new kernels each release. there always is some hangup.. ucb1200, mtd, jffs2 ... something amiss |
| 20:20:20 | Russ|werk | its just jffs2 |
| 20:22:10 | andersee | Russ|werk: Which was the last kernel you tried? |
| 20:22:57 | andersee | Russ|werk: 2.4.13-ac5-rmk2 was released today -- more MTD/jffs2 updates... |
| 20:23:22 | Russ|werk | 2.4.13-ac4-rmk1 |
| 20:24:24 | andersee | hmm. What is jffs2 doing again? |
| 20:24:46 | GoRK | total and complete freak-out! |
| 20:24:50 | GoRK | lol |
| 20:25:46 | andersee | heh |
| 20:26:11 | andersee | for i in <bytes in flash> ; do cp /dev/urandom $i ; done |
| 20:27:06 | GoRK | epanorama.net is cool |
| 20:27:56 | AlHazWork | the -ac tree is still using the old VM |
| 20:28:12 | andersee | AlHazWork: and it has been a good thing too. |
| 20:28:34 | AlHazWork | andersee: I don't see exactly how, but I'm not prepared to argue about it |
| 20:28:45 | AlHazWork | so far the new vm looks like it's less broken than the old vm |
| 20:28:56 | andersee | AlHazWork: The new VM hasn't even been stable till the last couple of pre-patches.... |
| 20:29:23 | AlHazWork | the old vm hasn't been stable. well, it hasn't caused massive problems for most users, either. |
| 20:29:25 | Russ|werk | andersee: it hangs on remount |
| 20:29:29 | andersee | AlHazWork: But -ac will be converting over now that some of the dust has settled |
| 20:29:30 | GoRK | andersee: chill out, it's only in the development stable kernel :) |
| 20:29:55 | andersee | Russ|werk: so other then the remount hang, any other major malfunctions |
| 20:29:57 | andersee | ? |
| 20:30:04 | GoRK | andersee: the stable stable kernel (2.0) is still fine |
| 20:31:08 | Russ|werk | andersee: there is a pcimcia issue with the newer kernels that is solved be removing x86 ports form the pcmcia.conf or applying a small kernel patch |
| 20:31:19 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: How new? |
| 20:31:29 | andersee | GoRK: heh. Yeah, the alledgedly stable 2.4.x hasn't quite had legendany stability. yet. |
| 20:31:58 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: 2.4.13 |
| 20:32:58 | andersee | Russ|werk: that seems like a workable situation though. I don't see us needing to do too many remounts and we can patch up the kernel or pcmcia easily enough. |
| 20:33:31 | Russ|werk | I mean the remount in checkroot.sh |
| 20:35:05 | andersee | Oh. |
| 20:35:12 | andersee | That is bad then |
| 20:35:24 | andersee | I guess we could mount root rw... |
| 20:37:39 | Russ|werk | I'll see if I can get 2.4.13-ac5-rmk2 out |
| 20:39:44 | GPSFan | GoRK: just got in, you wanted some comments on your latest shanip? |
| 20:46:53 | GoRK | GPSFan: yeah did you see it? |
| 20:47:43 | GoRK | i brought back spkr- to get rid of problems running headphones and line out from the same output.. bass was going away when the headpones were at high volume |
| 20:47:51 | GPSFan | GoRK: looking at it now, might be a problem with the line & mic IN grounds not being tied to signal ground. Have you tried this yet? |
| 20:48:09 | GPSFan | GoRK: good move on spkr- |
| 20:48:12 | GoRK | GPSFan: there is buzzing... do i need a capacitor or something? |
| 20:48:52 | GPSFan | buzzing where, which input is it comming from? |
| 20:49:16 | GoRK | line |
| 20:49:49 | GPSFan | is there buzzing when it isn't connected to another source of audio? |
| 20:50:26 | GoRK | no |
| 20:52:27 | GPSFan | try not having the Line IN's ground tied to the TROUT-, ie remove the wire between R32 and C1, and tie that end of R32 to Signal Ground. |
| 20:55:31 | Hiraghm | raises his hand |
| 20:55:37 | Hiraghm | may I ask another dumb question about the Tuxscreen? |
| 20:55:56 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: no its not free ;) |
| 20:56:10 | Hiraghm | Can you use a stylus with it, or does it require a finger? |
| 20:56:12 | prpplague | Hiraghm: no it won't replace your wife/gf |
| 20:56:23 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: comes with a stylus, but works with finger too |
| 20:56:23 | Hiraghm | (came across something awhile back, can't recall, that wouldn't work with a stylus) |
| 20:56:30 | Hiraghm | oh, great! |
| 20:56:35 | Hiraghm | nods vigorously. |
| 20:56:43 | prpplague | Hiraghm: works with sylus |
| 20:56:48 | Hiraghm | prepares his evil plot to port The Gimp to the Tuxscreen |
| 20:56:51 | MicroChip32 | uses his palm pilot stylus |
| 20:57:11 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: lets see you port windows to the tux ;) |
| 20:57:16 | Hiraghm | ewwww |
| 20:57:24 | Hiraghm | I'm weird, not twisted 8c) |
| 20:57:34 | MicroChip32 | ok, how about dos ? |
| 20:57:36 | MicroChip32 | <G> |
| 20:57:41 | Hiraghm | ponders a moment |
| 20:57:46 | Hiraghm | Freedos is still out there. |
| 20:58:15 | Hiraghm | visited their site a couple days ago |
| 20:58:40 | GPSFan | Hiraghm: You were looking for speech sysntesys sw> have you seen http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/ ?? |
| 20:59:01 | GPSFan | s/sysntesys/systhesys |
| 21:02:35 | Hiraghm | Someone mentioned that. Hm. |
| 21:03:00 | GPSFan | if it runs on an iPaq it should run on a Tux. |
| 21:03:35 | andersee | GPSFan: I've run flite on my netwinder. works fine. |
| 21:03:40 | Tangent | I've had festival working on the iPAQ, but the performance sucked due to heavy use of floating point math |
| 21:03:55 | Hiraghm | Doh. |
| 21:04:14 | Hiraghm | At least there's a concensus 8c) |
| 21:04:21 | andersee | flite is all fixed point, so it works well on arm |
| 21:04:34 | GoRK | GPSFan: anyway the pot should be connected correctly now, eh? |
| 21:04:39 | Tangent | Cool.. I'll have to give that a try |
| 21:04:55 | GPSFan | GoRK: pot os a-ok! |
| 21:05:57 | GoRK | GPSFan: i was also going to replace these with stereo connectors for simplicity |
| 21:07:15 | GPSFan | GoRK: that's a good idea since most headphones are stereo, just tie the left & right channels together. |
| 21:08:02 | GoRK | to accept stereo line in i will have to make a simple mixer but 10k pots on each of the input pins before they are combined supposedly does the trick |
| 21:08:37 | GoRK | apparently just wiring left + right together is a no-no |
| 21:08:49 | GoRK | for input that is |
| 21:09:07 | GPSFan | GoRK: for inputs yes, for headphone output is is ok. |
| 21:09:09 | GoRK | r32 and r31 are supposed to convert the line in level to mic level |
| 21:09:22 | Hiraghm | begins to suspect that GoRK is a hardware type. |
| 21:09:34 | GoRK | r33 and r34 are supposed to mix the two. though the values are probably wrong |
| 21:09:49 | GoRK | Hiraghm: no i am software :) i know nothing about this stuff |
| 21:10:14 | GPSFan | GoRK: just add another resistor to the junction of r33 & r34 for the other channel of line in. |
| 21:10:15 | Hiraghm | heehee |
| 21:10:42 | GoRK | GPSFan: it's not mic level ... |
| 21:10:46 | Hiraghm | Hm. if this Flite has binary working on Ipaq, it should work on Tux. Wonder if the engine includes any phoneme clues. |
| 21:14:28 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: hi, watching your pcb morph is fun. |
| 21:14:46 | Hiraghm | Hey! The Tuexscreen doesn't come with a pony, does it? 8c( |
| 21:14:49 | GoRK | heh |
| 21:15:17 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: not at present but for extra $$ I'll bundle one. ;-) |
| 21:16:26 | GPSFan | GoRK: by mistake, that was to the junction of r31 & r32. ;>( |
| 21:17:34 | GPSFan | s/by/my |
| 21:18:18 | MicroChip32 | BZFlag you gonna start bulding in a jtag on new units? <G> |
| 21:18:52 | Hiraghm | nah. no pony |
| 21:19:11 | Hiraghm | so what's the mod that has to be done to do the memory upgrade? |
| 21:19:18 | BZFlag | MicroChip32: there is an unpopulated jtag header on the current units. |
| 21:19:26 | BZFlag | info on the wiki on populating/using it. |
| 21:20:33 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: software only. can handle 40M configuration, but only uses 32M last I checked. It's being worked on. |
| 21:20:38 | MicroChip32 | BZFlag: yea i know, im working on building the parallel port adapter thing right into the back of the unit, but was suggesting you could do that ahead of time <G> |
| 21:21:13 | Hiraghm | no 64 meg sodimm? 8c) |
| 21:21:15 | BZFlag | MicroChip32: heh. no thanx. I'd have to charge $$ for it, cause it takes so long. |
| 21:21:37 | MicroChip32 | BZFlag: heheh didnt want you to get bored ;) |
| 21:21:43 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: 64M will require a hardware mod. A12 is improperly connected on the sodimm socket. |
| 21:22:12 | MicroChip32 | BZFlag: youre saying that 64 ~is~ possible tho ?? what sort of mod ? |
| 21:22:21 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: hi, I didn't get anywhere with the 0xC03000000 idea but it should work, might try again on Thursday |
| 21:22:36 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: should work though with a bypass on the board. should be possible to replace the onboard too so in theory you could build a 128M tux. |
| 21:23:20 | MicroChip32 | heheh that'd be cool |
| 21:23:22 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: SpaceCoaster's your man for the 40M software when he get's back to working on it. |
| 21:23:36 | MicroChip32 | now can we change the processor too, upgrade to a 500mhz ;) |
| 21:23:38 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: you had 40M setup working with just 32M visible, right? |
| 21:23:52 | GoRK | GPSFan: ahh yes that works |
| 21:24:05 | Hiraghm | yeah, heard him talking about it yesterday |
| 21:24:11 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 21:24:33 | GPSFan | GoRK: had to draw up a schematic on the fly, had'nt put the r#s in when I made the first comment. ;>) |
| 21:24:40 | andersee | BZFlag: presumably if someone was really motivated, they could connect up a 144 pin sodimm connector and add in 256 Megs of ram... (after disconnecting the onboard 8 Meg and the 72 pin SODIMM) |
| 21:24:47 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: can ya do some sort of memory paging to use the native 8 ? |
| 21:24:58 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: correct, if we use those 2m chunks, perhaps decompressing into the second one instead of appending to the compressed image in the first I think we will be set. |
| 21:25:01 | Hiraghm | I'd settle for 40m 8c) |
| 21:26:27 | Hiraghm | hm. The Tuxscreen is 8 times the speed of an Amiga 3000 (but without fpu,) has more colors at higher resolution too. |
| 21:26:39 | CosmicPenguin | 256 MB of RAM? Then we would only be half way to the requirement for the new XP embedded! |
| 21:26:42 | Hiraghm | should be able to create some really nifty graphical apps for it. |
| 21:27:07 | CosmicPenguin | Hiraghm: Nah, the GUI stuff is too hard.... |
| 21:27:14 | Hiraghm | huh? |
| 21:27:22 | BZFlag | andersee: you can't even get your jumper set on your 256M and you are talking about completely repleacing the socket? ;-) jk |
| 21:27:24 | GPSFan_away | bbiab |
| 21:27:48 | Hiraghm | CosmicPenguin what do you mean the GUI stuff is too hard? |
| 21:28:05 | andersee | heh. Just saying its the max theoretically possible... |
| 21:28:35 | andersee | It would take a bit of surgery... |
| 21:29:30 | Hiraghm | Now if you could somehow add the tux motherboard to the touchscreen case, you'd have a tablet computer. No batteries though. |
| 21:29:52 | AlHazWork | I have a tablet computer already. |
| 21:29:56 | AlHazWork | four of 'em, come to think of it |
| 21:30:04 | AlHazWork | some of 'em rather slow, none of 'em color |
| 21:30:11 | Hiraghm | what kind? |
| 21:30:15 | BZFlag | andersee: true. should be possible, but might need the same 64bit->32bit hacks the netwinder uses. |
| 21:30:35 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: I've got about 3 tablet motherboards with no screens...... :) |
| 21:30:47 | AlHazWork | two fujitsu stylistic 1000, one Dauphin DTR-1 that needs a diode replaced & a new battery pack, one Toshiba T100x |
| 21:30:51 | BZFlag | has a color clio, but not running linux yet. |
| 21:31:20 | andersee | BZFlag: yup. Thats what I had in mind. |
| 21:31:28 | AlHazWork | all of 'em use RF digitizers, no touchscreens |
| 21:32:08 | Hiraghm | Al... http://www.qbenet.com/productsVivo.htm |
| 21:32:19 | Hiraghm | There's an original version of it on sale on ebay. |
| 21:32:26 | andersee | BZFlag: And it would require rerouting leads to the onboard 8 Meg memory and the current SODIMM to a new 144 pin SODIMM socket |
| 21:32:35 | Hiraghm | I drooled over it for awhile, but I can't justify the cost. |
| 21:33:07 | Hiraghm | I wish they still made crosspads. Or that I'd gotten one while they were still around. |
| 21:33:21 | AlHazWork | why? everyone I know who has one never uses it |
| 21:33:49 | andersee | What I want is a nice strongARM laptop that could go a day or two before recharging the battery... :) |
| 21:34:32 | Hiraghm | really? I have a nice little notebook (compaq 305) and used to have Psion, Pilot, and Casio PDAs... I still carried a paper notebook and pen with me. |
| 21:35:31 | Hiraghm | If the crosspad doesn't work as advertised, I think the next best thing for me would be an IBM 730TE (especially if you can squeeze linux on it) |
| 21:36:46 | andersee | BZFlag: http://www.netwinder.org/pipermail/support/2001-November/000122.html |
| 21:37:14 | GoRK | why dont they merge vim and gimp into vimp... image and text processing |
| 21:37:20 | BZFlag | qpe vivo looks cool, but $2k? not for me. |
| 21:38:48 | AlHazWork | GoRK: just wait, emacs will get to that point before long |
| 21:38:56 | GoRK | http://www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork6.gif |
| 21:38:57 | CosmicPenguin | qpe vivo? |
| 21:38:59 | GoRK | bbl |
| 21:39:41 | Hiraghm | BZFlag, there's a QBE original on ebay for 850 |
| 21:40:02 | Hiraghm | looks to be about the same except twice as heavy. ( 6lb instead of 3) |
| 21:40:50 | Hiraghm | warning... ridiculously long URL incoming... |
| 21:40:55 | Hiraghm | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292993043&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1005414644&indexURL=0&rd=1 |
| 21:40:57 | BZFlag | Hiraghm: still too pricey. I did pick up an Audrey though. |
| 21:41:03 | | Audrey is http://www.audreyhacking.com/ |
| 21:41:03 | Hiraghm | Audrey? |
| 21:41:16 | CosmicPenguin | Geode based |
| 21:41:26 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: I think they dropped the price of the cerfpod to $995, you might have have to drop the TuxScreen price to stay competitive :-) |
| 21:42:18 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:42:21 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: heh. I think they still have a ways to go before I'm worried. |
| 21:42:48 | prpplague | BZFlag: you work with the intrsync guys much |
| 21:44:32 | BZFlag | nope. |
| 21:45:42 | BZFlag | No match for "INTRSYNC.COM" |
| 21:45:49 | BZFlag | quick, snag it. |
| 21:50:02 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: your shanip2 looks good, where do you order the sockets from? |
| 21:51:51 | andersee | indeed, very nice work GoRK! |
| 21:52:06 | andersee | I'm ready to buy two of 'em. :) |
| 21:53:31 | Hiraghm | two? |
| 21:57:43 | andersee | One for each of my two tuxscreen phones. |
| 21:58:09 | BZFlag | I ready to order 700 of them (ok, not really, just had to say it) |
| 21:58:18 | andersee | heh |
| 21:58:29 | scanline | hah |
| 21:58:32 | andersee | I but you could bundle 'em for cheap. |
| 21:58:40 | andersee | And make a buck or two. |
| 21:58:42 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Can you think of any reason that Linux would be tossing interrupts into the bit bucket, even if I have registered a handler for them? |
| 21:58:53 | scanline | BZFlag: So do you have a count somewhere of exactly how many you have left? |
| 21:59:26 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I've seen hardware problems cause that. And software bugs that leave the interrups masked... |
| 21:59:58 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I soooo want to blame this on the hardware, but they are already blaming it on me... :) |
| 22:03:09 | prpplague | is it me or do the intrinsyc and A.D.S. people seem a little un-friendly? |
| 22:03:31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: So,a re you pro /proc or anti /proc? :) |
| 22:03:34 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I saw exactly that problem when I was writing a serial driver for Ericsson one time. After beating my head on a wall, we eventually stuck a scope on the board. Guess what? No interrupt... |
| 22:03:55 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: So after adding in one little wire, my driver started working... ;-) |
| 22:03:56 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I would drive over and kick the HW guys butt, but he lives in South Africa.... |
| 22:05:13 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Check out my devps patch (a /proc remover), which should make my opinion clear. http://oss.lineo.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb/busybox.stable/kernel-patches/ |
| 22:05:44 | andersee | I'd like a seperate kernelfs for all the kernel info stuff |
| 22:06:16 | BZFlag | scanline: last could was 780 |
| 22:06:20 | BZFlag | er count. |
| 22:06:31 | scanline | BZFlag: wow |
| 22:07:28 | andersee | BZFlag: what'll you do with yourself when they're gone? |
| 22:08:17 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Sad... /proc has saved my bacon on serial only devices many times..... |
| 22:08:54 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: hey, you've shipped to sweeden, haven't you? |
| 22:10:14 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: sure. But /proc should be just process info. IMHO, the info parts would be better as a seperate kernelfs or char driver... |
| 22:10:42 | BZFlag | andersee: don't know yet. there will likely be some other discontinued product to hack. ;-) |
| 22:10:48 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: yes. |
| 22:10:48 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Its nice to have. But it would be nice to be able to safely excluded it when you are tight. |
| 22:11:30 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: do you recall how much it cost? I've got someone in sweeden wondering how much it would cost to ship somethingorother from the US |
| 22:11:45 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Oh, I agree fully with that line of thinking |
| 22:11:58 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: As long as BB doesn't depend on it, we're ok... :) |
| 22:13:18 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: It doesn't -- except for a few little spots (like 'mount -t auto' and 'ps') and even those spots can be avoided with my devps patch. |
| 22:14:25 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: use the international postage calculator. ;-) |
| 22:15:41 | AlHazWork | ok |
| 22:15:49 | AlHazWork | hmm, smell of burning rubber . .. |
| 22:23:54 | GPSFan | GoRK: lastest rev looks good. Only thing I can think of to check out is if the jack spacing is ok for all 3 plugs to be in at once, some of them are quite fat. |
| 22:28:41 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: has anyone ported kaffe or any other JVM to microwindows? |
| 22:28:49 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: has anyone ported kaffe or any other JVM to microwindows on ARM? |
| 22:29:09 | scanline | andersee: Waba kinda works on PicoGUI :) |
| 22:29:55 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: anyone got the transvirtual frame buffer version of kaffe to compile on ARM? |
| 22:30:45 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: dunno on that one (but looks like I'm going to have to find out) |
| 22:30:59 | andersee | dislikes java |
| 22:31:11 | andersee | scanline: waba eh? |
| 22:31:14 | SpaceCoaster | loves java |
| 22:31:23 | scanline | andersee: Yeah. Smartdata's been porting it |
| 22:31:41 | andersee | hmm. neet. |
| 22:32:05 | Russ|werk | andersee: come to #handhelds.org for a moment |
| 22:32:56 | GPSFan | GoRK: quick question: is there any interest in sending UCB1200 audio down the phone line, say for automated response to crank callers? |
| 22:33:24 | scanline | GPSFan: Can't we use the telecom codec for that? |
| 22:34:36 | GPSFan | scanline: I don't know. i saw something earlier about not being able to direct UCB audio down the tel line. and if GoRK is dione a PCB this might be a good place to put the circuit. |
| 22:34:53 | GPSFan | s/dione/doing |
| 22:35:14 | scanline | GPSFan: It would be nice to get ucb1200 audio on the phone line... though i think with the right driver we can do that without hardware modification |
| 22:36:05 | GPSFan | scanline: good I was looking at the circuit and it's possible with a HW mod, but it would be more flexible if done in SW. |
| 22:36:56 | scanline | GPSFan: Looking at the ucb1200 spec and the existing driver, it shouldn't be too hard to modify the audio codec driver to make a telecom codec driver. Problem is, the new kernels have a different ucb1200 driver so we should wait until new kernels run. |
| 22:39:31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Yep, we've got Kafee.... it works for small values of work.. :) |
| 22:40:02 | scanline | sounds like how i'd describe Waba on picogui :) |
| 22:40:31 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Its not so much the code as it is the pile of stuff that needs porting |
| 22:40:51 | scanline | stuff to port != code ? |
| 22:41:33 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: I meant, it doesn't work not because of code problems, but rather because we haven't had enough time to port all the stuff that is needed for your typical app.... |
| 22:41:45 | scanline | ah |
| 22:41:49 | scanline | right |
| 22:41:56 | CosmicPenguin | Or something.... I dunno, you trying to confuse me this late in the day? :) |
| 22:42:00 | scanline | haha |
| 22:42:06 | scanline | brb, gonna get some coke or something... |
| 22:42:16 | scanline | coke, as in the soft drink ;) |
| 22:45:17 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: heh. |
| 22:45:29 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Ok, thanks. |
| 22:45:47 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Mostly due to kaffe failing I expect... |
| 22:47:33 | CosmicPenguin | If I have to hear "It works in Windows" one more time, I will go crazy! |
| 22:49:04 | tomdacat | can anyone tell me if a jtag dongle is comercially available? |
| 22:49:26 | AlHazWork | there are a lot of jtag programmers on the market |
| 22:49:34 | AlHazWork | the LART model is out of production, but you can make your own |
| 22:50:40 | tomdacat | i attempted that, my soldering skills are not that great |
| 22:52:02 | prpplague | AlHazWork: the schematics on the LART web page? |
| 22:52:16 | BZFlag | tomdacat: tried http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/ ? |
| 22:52:50 | AlHazWork | prpplague: think so |
| 22:53:49 | prpplague | argh, if i deal with one more network issue today, i'm going to go nuts |
| 22:58:47 | CosmicPenguin | http://linuxtoday.com: ** No news ** |
| 23:01:03 | Russ|werk | ? |
| 23:02:43 | CosmicPenguin | Wow... I guess I just hit it at a bad time, its alll better now |
| 23:04:23 | AlHazWork | well, no news is good news . . |
| 23:09:54 | boris | uhm |
| 23:10:03 | boris | can we call some device for the tuxscreen 'pants# |
| 23:10:09 | boris | /dev/pants would rock :) |
| 23:13:14 | GPSFan | scanline: I'm not a telcom guy, but the only connection ftom the UCB1200 to the tel line is through the shanip to the T/R IN connection. can that input be steered to the Loop (T/R OUT +-) output without causing feedback? |
| 23:13:51 | scanline | GPSFan: Depending on the DSP's audio routing, yes |
| 23:14:01 | scanline | but the ucb1200 already has a connection to the telephone line |
| 23:14:25 | GPSFan | scanline: through the modem output. |
| 23:14:30 | scanline | right |
| 23:14:39 | scanline | the modem IO can be used for voice too |
| 23:14:55 | GPSFan | ah... tis good me thinks ;>) |
