| 00:02:23 | GoRK | bhima: what are you running on it (software wise) ? |
| 00:03:32 | bhima | gork: llinux/nano-X. |
| 00:04:04 | bhima | I need to compile the little brightness/contrast app I was doing. |
| 00:04:24 | bhima | but it doens't seem to actually let me use the WaveLAN card yet :/ |
| 00:04:58 | GoRK | did you do the 5v mod? |
| 00:05:03 | bhima | yup. |
| 00:05:17 | GoRK | it probably needs reset |
| 00:05:25 | bhima | mmm? |
| 00:06:27 | bhima | I did it slightly differently, which may be a problem. my understanding of the diargram was that the diode exised to provide 3.3v if the switch was open and not connecting 5v. |
| 00:06:50 | bhima | so if you removed the zero-ohm resistor and jumpered it straight through, it would be 5v-only. |
| 00:07:13 | jacques | can't help snickering at 0-Ohm resistors. |
| 00:07:30 | bhima | oh, right, the PCMCIA slots can't actaully issue a PCMCIA reset, is that right? |
| 00:07:35 | Tangent | jacques : Ah..if only they really were 0 ohm... |
| 00:07:49 | Tangent | jacques : If it makesw you feel better, just think of them as 0.00001 ohm |
| 00:07:59 | jacques | Tangent: exactly - room temp superconductors |
| 00:08:22 | jacques | Tangent: strangely, that does not amuse me nearly as much |
| 00:08:25 | GoRK | bhima: right |
| 00:08:41 | bhima | I saw a paper that somebody wrote that claimed to have measured a resistance of one passive device as being negative. |
| 00:09:04 | Tangent | bhima : Isn't that what tunnel diodes do? |
| 00:09:33 | bhima | negative resistor == amplifier |
| 00:10:32 | Tangent | bhima : That's right... Tunnel diode + 1 regular resistor in a potential divider arrangement can act as an amplifier |
| 00:10:41 | jacques | energy has to come from somewhere - maybe it was in a changing magnetic field |
| 00:11:03 | bhima | tangent: so where does the energy come from? |
| 00:11:19 | Tangent | bhima : Let me see if I can find a URL that explains it... |
| 00:11:22 | bhima | probably the same place that Jasmuheen and other breatharians get their "liquid prana" |
| 00:12:27 | Tangent | http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electronic/tundio.html |
| 00:12:42 | bhima | argh. don't have a web browser handy :/ |
| 00:12:46 | bhima | well, lynx, on an ipaq. |
| 00:12:56 | bhima | but that doesn't really count :) |
| 00:13:04 | bhima | gork: should a 3c589 card work? |
| 00:13:15 | Tangent | bhima : It says... "The tunnel diode has a region in its voltage current characteristic where the current decreases with increased forward voltage, known as its negative resistance region. " |
| 00:13:33 | Tangent | bhima : Apparently they're used in stuff like 47GHz microwave amplifiers |
| 00:13:36 | GoRK | bhima: i dont know.. i havent heard of anyone getting 3com to work |
| 00:14:34 | bhima | tangent: ahh, ok. right. I hink that makes sense :) |
| 00:14:45 | jacques | oooh, lower current higher voltage |
| 00:14:47 | bhima | gork: so what cards have been found to work? |
| 00:15:03 | GoRK | bhima: a ton. they are posted on the wiki |
| 00:15:11 | Tangent | http://www.americanmicrosemi.com/tutorials/tunneldiode.htm This one explains it a little better |
| 00:17:51 | Tangent | Heh.. the last thing I ever heard about tunnel diodes is that they are parctically obsolete... With 47GHz switching speeds, they might be the new way forward for sillicon :) |
| 00:18:29 | bhima | hrm. where can I download the kernel modules I need? I don't have /lib/modules on this install. |
| 00:19:25 | Tangent | bhima : All the modules are built into the kernel |
| 00:19:38 | Tangent | bhima : You need to compile a new kernel one way or another |
| 00:19:52 | Tangent | bhima : Fortunately that's not difficult these days |
| 00:20:09 | bhima | I don't see any mention of 5v PCMCIA cards that ahve been found to work, just 3.3v. |
| 00:20:18 | GoRK | bhima: drivers for the most part are compiled into the kernel... since the kernel has a 1MB flash partition to itself, it doesnt make a lot of sense to include a module in the root fs flash partition when you can just use some extra room in the kernel's spot |
| 00:20:44 | GoRK | bhima: that's because only about 4 people have 5v mods done and all as of yesterday |
| 00:20:51 | bhima | oh, ok :) |
| 00:21:30 | bhima | well, so far, I have had decided bad luck wth wavelan and 3c589. Have to see if I canfind any other cards. |
| 00:22:16 | MicroChip32 | ok are there instructions anywhere for how to disassemble this stupid thing |
| 00:22:39 | bhima | does the normal kernel support a.out or elf? I copied some binaries over from my ipaq and it won't run them. says file not found. |
| 00:22:43 | MicroChip32 | as far as i can tell the only thing holding this stupid board now is gravity, yet it wont fome out |
| 00:22:49 | MicroChip32 | s/fome/come/ |
| 00:22:56 | bhima | Or does it give that messages when it can't find a library it needs? |
| 00:23:02 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Stuck by the serial port? |
| 00:23:09 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Or the long connector in the centre |
| 00:23:22 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I think that there's 7 screws that hold the top board on |
| 00:23:31 | MicroChip32 | seems to be something over by the serial port, the long pin things in the center are loose |
| 00:23:47 | bhima | I don't understand why they placed the serial connector the way they did. seems overly difficult to remove. |
| 00:23:55 | MicroChip32 | yep 7, plus 2 for the ir board at the front |
| 00:24:04 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Probably just the serial port... I apply frightening amounts of brute force and platic bending to mine... |
| 00:24:14 | GoRK | MicroChip32: after you take all the screws out, pivot the board up from the front until the pins from the 2 long headers clear then the serial port will come free |
| 00:24:15 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : It's just as much of a bitch to get back in too |
| 00:24:24 | MicroChip32 | bhima: more like imposible, seems to be stuck behind the screw post |
| 00:24:45 | bhima | has disassemlbed two tuxscreens. it ain't impossible :) |
| 00:24:49 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I think it's easier if you remove the bolts from the serial port |
| 00:24:52 | MicroChip32 | GoRK got that part, right now im working on the ground wire to the batts |
| 00:25:00 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: good idea |
| 00:25:15 | GoRK | oh yeah... heh.. pop those out with a small flathead screwdriver from the inside of the battery compartment |
| 00:25:54 | MicroChip32 | someone should do a wiki page on this |
| 00:26:38 | GoRK | probably will once we have final plans on doing all of this and mods that actually work properly |
| 00:26:57 | MicroChip32 | thats why ya say "stay tuned for updates" <G> |
| 00:27:16 | GoRK | currently the only mod that requires actually taking off the commboard is shanip2 which is just marginally functional and not completed |
| 00:27:39 | MicroChip32 | what about the jtag |
| 00:27:44 | GoRK | oh yeah jtag |
| 00:28:09 | GoRK | looks at the jtag port on the back of his phone |
| 00:28:10 | GoRK | forgot about that |
| 00:28:21 | MicroChip32 | hehehe |
| 00:28:37 | bhima | any guesses about why my screen is so dark? think that it just randomly decided to fsck up the contrast? |
| 00:28:51 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: works beautifully after taking off the serial bolts |
| 00:28:56 | MicroChip32 | =) |
| 00:29:23 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Hmm.. that must have been what I did the time it worked easily ... Couldn't remember |
| 00:29:28 | bhima | hmm. cardctl insert says "3c589_cs: RequestConfiguration: Bad VCC" |
| 00:29:41 | bhima | think that it would not attempt to work with it because of that? |
| 00:29:57 | Tangent | bhima : Yeah.. that'd cause it to fail |
| 00:30:03 | Tangent | bhima : Time to hack the sourcecode |
| 00:30:39 | bhima | tangent: ok. intesrting. now, with wavelan, it says "warning, can't pperform reset" and that's it. |
| 00:30:42 | bhima | (three times) |
| 00:30:51 | MicroChip32 | hopes his friend who LOANED this unit to me doesnt come over right now =) |
| 00:30:52 | bhima | needs to get a build environment set up somehwere |
| 00:31:12 | Tangent | bhima : I suspect that the 3c589 is specifically requesting 5V from the driver, and failing to get it |
| 00:31:37 | Tangent | bhima : Even if you do the pcmcia 5V hack, the linux pcmcia driver won't know about it... |
| 00:31:37 | bhima | should inserting a supported card just get it appearing as eth0 or something? |
| 00:31:49 | Tangent | bhima : So I suspect that it'll need fixing in the 3c589 driver |
| 00:31:50 | bhima | tangent: right. it still thinks it's 3.3v only. |
| 00:32:15 | bhima | oh, interestingly, the wavelan card outputs CIS stuff at 3.3v _or_ 5v, 3c589 cards only in 5v slots. |
| 00:32:36 | bhima | well, "work" for small values of work. |
| 00:32:47 | Tangent | bhima : I guess the wavelan card is just a bit cooler then ;) |
| 00:33:23 | bhima | WaveLAn is inherently cooler. |
| 00:33:50 | bhima | my tuxscreen will be cooler when it is a working wavelan router. |
| 00:39:10 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: where exactly did you put the parallel port on yours ? |
| 00:56:37 | bhima | ahh, much better. |
| 00:56:42 | bhima | is on his gf's tibook now. |
| 00:56:56 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: lhs/top looking at the back |
| 00:57:04 | bhima | easier to read than an ipaq :) |
| 00:57:29 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: in that 1" x 2" almost flat area right ? |
| 00:57:57 | SpaceCoaster | yeah, that's it, space inside too. |
| 00:58:28 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: where'd you run the cable from the comms board up past the shield ? |
| 00:59:41 | Tangent | Anyone compiled up QPE for the Tux yet? |
| 00:59:43 | SpaceCoaster | used about 10inches of ribbon cable, under the shield to the front and then back across the top of the shield to the board, glue gunned to the shield, |
| 00:59:59 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: between the shield and the comms board ? |
| 01:00:22 | SpaceCoaster | yes, probably |
| 01:00:52 | MicroChip32 | k, i was thinking a short cable thru the area around the serial port |
| 01:28:54 | cory | arizona diamondbacks are leading the yankees 12-0 |
| 01:37:48 | jacques | 12-0??? |
| 01:40:25 | cory | I kid you not |
| 01:40:33 | cory | turn on fox sports |
| 01:40:34 | cory | heh |
| 01:40:47 | cory | oops |
| 01:40:47 | cory | 13-0 |
| 01:40:54 | jacques | ?? |
| 01:40:57 | cory | they just scored |
| 01:40:58 | jacques | wow |
| 01:46:09 | bhima | listens to a public service announcement for "planned ferrethood" |
| 01:46:11 | MicroChip32 | wipes his forehead, *whew*, took it all apart, put it all back together, no spare parts, and it still works. ;) |
| 01:48:05 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Well done :) |
| 01:49:43 | MicroChip32 | ok, now when im in debug mode from the infernoremote ... how do i disconnect and reset the tux ? |
| 01:50:15 | bhima | wird. |
| 01:50:21 | bhima | now the screen is very, very light. |
| 01:53:52 | cory | 15-0 |
| 02:45:13 | bhima | yawns. |
| 02:45:43 | bhima | anyboyd here awake? got a question related to /deb/ucb1200-ts |
| 02:46:13 | AlHaz | I'm awake, but i dunno if i'll be able to help |
| 02:46:16 | AlHaz | what's the question? |
| 02:46:37 | bhima | somebody (I wish I could remember who) gave me some ioctls. |
| 02:46:48 | bhima | theoretically, they should let me do nifty stuff like change brightness and contrast. |
| 02:46:51 | bhima | they don't seem to be working. |
| 02:47:00 | bhima | just wanted to know if I had done something wrong. |
| 02:47:22 | bhima | oh, wait. |
| 02:47:30 | bhima | did he give me decimal and I assumed hex? |
| 02:47:32 | bhima | looks... |
| 02:48:59 | bhima | hrm. so. open, then ioctl(fd, 67, <contrastlevel>), right? |
| 02:49:51 | bhima | oops. |
| 02:49:53 | bhima | my coding sucks. |
| 02:58:37 | bhima | no, that didn't fix it either. |
| 03:03:37 | bhima | hrm. where would the kernel source with the ucb1200 driver be? |
| 03:03:43 | bhima | can't fint it in the CVS tree... |
| 04:23:48 | bhima | hrm. |
| 04:23:57 | bhima | I've tried everything I can think of. |
| 04:32:15 | bhima | wonders why his ioctls are failing... |
| 07:24:17 | GoRK | bhima: are you using buildroot-tux? |
| 07:25:51 | GoRK | to get brightness+contrast you have to use kernel-2.4.7+rmk2+np1+tux1+touchscreen (and i am using +lpp+wheaties on top of that) |
| 07:27:23 | GoRK | hopefully when we get to a newer kernel we'll have to apply only two patches because touchscreen and wheaties will be part of the tux patches |
| 07:27:31 | GoRK | three if you want lpp |
| 07:31:45 | GoRK | bhima: assuming you do have the right sources compiled up, you may have your ranges wrong... some versions of the kernel take 0x00-0xFF as values for brightness and contrast and others shorten the expanded 1 byte "range" to the true values of 0-3, 0-7 |
| 07:33:17 | GoRK | soup |
| 07:33:26 | GoRK | pea soup |
| 07:33:27 | GoRK | fog |
| 07:33:29 | GoRK | here |
| 07:33:36 | GoRK | 20ft visibility |
| 09:28:07 | scanline | is back (gone 10:08:56) |
| 10:09:12 | Tangent | wakes up |
| 10:11:29 | jacques_ | hi |
| 10:16:32 | Tangent | jacques : Still up then? What you been up to? |
| 10:17:58 | scanline | oh. Hi Tangent |
| 10:18:32 | Tangent | is slowly waking up to the idea of Sunday with a nice coffee... Ah |
| 10:18:57 | scanline | waking up, eh... |
| 10:34:57 | scanline | I think sourceforge is down |
| 10:37:05 | Tangent | scanline : In what way down? I can get to sourceforge.net still |
| 10:37:34 | scanline | sourceforge.net works, but CVS and project web servers seem to be down |
| 10:39:35 | scanline | Anybody else not like their new logo? |
| 10:39:35 | Tangent | scanline : Yeah.. I preferred the old one too |
| 10:41:52 | Tangent | scanline : I can still browse the CVS repositary, and get to the Tuxscreen sourceforge pages |
| 10:42:38 | scanline | ack. Just realized it must be the DNS server |
| 10:43:11 | scanline | pgui.sourceforge.net works, but not picogui.org |
| 10:57:43 | Tangent | wonders where all the jobs have gone |
| 11:01:12 | MicroChip32 | Tangent jobs? |
| 11:01:26 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Jobs of work... I need a new income stream |
| 11:01:28 | jacques | Tangent: they aren't over here |
| 11:01:47 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: heheh, if you find a spare one, tell me |
| 11:02:22 | Tangent | jacques : There aren't anywhere... Last time I was looking, there were around 10 firewall jobs a day in London.. Now it's 10 a week (and I expect some of those are CV harvesting excercises) |
| 11:02:49 | jacques | :-\ |
| 11:03:09 | jacques | Tangent: too bad you can't do anything other than firewalls :-) |
| 11:03:24 | Tangent | jacques : Yeah... pity that ;) |
| 11:04:13 | Tangent | I've even started to consider a 'permanent' position... Eurgh |
| 11:05:29 | jacques | ugh |
| 11:05:34 | jacques | the horror |
| 11:05:38 | MicroChip32 | ack! |
| 11:05:53 | MicroChip32 | likes working for himself ... but the pay aint much =( |
| 11:06:28 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I was on a _very_ good rate up till I quit for the summer... |
| 11:06:43 | MicroChip32 | yuk |
| 11:06:54 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I've started looking at stuff that pays about the same monthly as I was getting daily |
| 11:07:21 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: a friend of mine started a UND$75k/yr job here a few weeks ago. Im trying to talk him into finding me a spot there |
| 11:07:30 | MicroChip32 | s/UND/USD |
| 11:07:40 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I was on £1100 per day working from home :) |
| 11:07:54 | MicroChip32 | KEWL! |
| 11:08:08 | MicroChip32 | i may have to move over there *lol* |
| 11:08:29 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Heh.. yeah.. contractors have it better in the UK than in the US :) |
| 11:10:12 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: what sort of work was it you was doing ? |
| 11:10:56 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I specialise in Checkpoint Firewall-1 on Nokia IPSO platform... But I also do all sorts of OS hardening... Infrastructure design... Pen testing etc |
| 11:11:05 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I'm pretty good with Cisco stuff etc |
| 11:11:42 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Last project I was working on was a globally resilliant+load balanced Citrix architecture |
| 11:12:17 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : It was all very cool until the client company (Large US bank) decided to spend it's $10million elsewhere |
| 11:12:53 | Tangent | My client company in the UK had foolishly forgotten to get them to sign anything that said they had to pay... |
| 11:17:18 | MicroChip32 | rotfl Tangent, oops |
| 11:18:38 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah.. always the little details ;) |
| 11:18:43 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : What is it that you do? |
| 11:19:10 | Tangent | wonders if he qualifies as 'Senior' yet... I'm 28 years old |
| 11:19:26 | MicroChip32 | mostly pc consulting, some web programming. pretty much whatever computer-type stuff i can get my hands on |
| 11:19:38 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: nope youre younger than me, you cant be senior *lol* |
| 11:19:51 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Aw... but the pay's better |
| 11:20:52 | MicroChip32 | well, can be. but not always. i live in the boonies so there's not much work around here. besides which i think that only about 20% of the people around here even have a computer |
| 11:21:42 | Tangent | Ah.. I moved to London to hunt the money down |
| 11:21:52 | MicroChip32 | tempting |
| 11:22:09 | MicroChip32 | btw i also do hardware and electronics, hence my interest here ;) |
| 11:22:14 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I only had to move 50 miles or so tho' |
| 11:22:17 | boris | telnet to towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 11:22:36 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : My degree was in VLSI circuit engineering... Electronics is my love... Computers just provide me with money |
| 11:23:05 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Hence my Office Automation stuff, and Tuxscreen stuff |
| 11:23:14 | MicroChip32 | heheh mine is the other way around, two cis degrees, electronics mostly self taught (but then, so is the programming, despite the degrees) |
| 11:23:26 | Tangent | Computers were made to be taken to bits and tortured with a nice hot soldering iron ;) |
| 11:23:33 | MicroChip32 | boris: lol |
| 11:24:27 | Tangent | Ah.. the ascimation starwars.. .I've seen it as a java applet, but never via telnet |
| 11:25:26 | boris | MicroChip32: it's really impressive |
| 11:25:51 | Tangent | boris : It's the time and effort that the guy's put in that's most impressive |
| 11:26:20 | MicroChip32 | yea no kidding, sheesh |
| 11:27:38 | boris | yeah |
| 11:27:50 | boris | really impressive |
| 11:27:54 | boris | muyst have taken *hours* |
| 11:28:12 | Tangent | boris : I read the log of the guy writing it about 6 months ago... |
| 11:28:23 | Tangent | boris : Each frame takes him around 10 mins to do... |
| 11:28:32 | Tangent | boris : And there's actually 15fps |
| 11:28:39 | Tangent | Or 10fps or something like that |
| 11:28:52 | Tangent | He's put in about two years of his spare time so far |
| 11:29:15 | boris | it's really good |
| 11:29:26 | boris | i would have written some ascii animation software to help me |
| 11:29:52 | Tangent | This is where I saw it before... http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ |
| 11:30:24 | Tangent | Heh... he started doing it in July 1997... |
| 11:36:11 | Tangent | Anyone have the URL for the shanip schematics? |
| 11:36:24 | Tangent | I suppose I could find it for myself... |
| 11:43:50 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//ScheMatics ?? |
| 11:44:21 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah.. already found it... |
| 11:44:32 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Just stuffing it into my PCB layout program |
| 11:45:29 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: what prog do you use ? |
| 11:45:46 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Eagle PCB |
| 11:46:07 | MicroChip32 | cool, same here, if i ever get around to installing it again |
| 11:46:37 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I went through loads of different ones trying them all out... Eagle just came naturally |
| 11:46:56 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : The only thing that I can't work out how to do is to print several boards on a single sheet of paper.. |
| 11:47:09 | MicroChip32 | yea, i really like eagle, still learning the finer functions of it, such as scripting, but its straight forward for the most part |
| 11:47:50 | MicroChip32 | i do think its routing algo's need some help tho |
| 11:49:31 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : The auto routing works best if you don't let it do the whole board in one go.. |
| 11:49:51 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I tend to route signals two or three at a time, but let the autorouter take care of the details |
| 11:50:28 | MicroChip32 | how do you do that, select a few sigs before telling it to route ? |
| 11:51:32 | Tangent | auto gnd vcc V12V N$23 |
| 11:51:40 | Tangent | will route just the four signals listed |
| 11:51:53 | Tangent | Similarly, you can use 'ripup N$23' |
| 11:53:16 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Here's one I made earlier... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/PICBoard-GND-RR.pdf |
| 11:56:38 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : The other big thing about the autorouter is understanding how all the differnet costings work... |
| 11:56:59 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : It took me ages to get a good single sided config that would minimise on wire links on the top |
| 11:57:15 | MicroChip32 | hehehehehehe |
| 11:57:27 | MicroChip32 | i understand the concepts behidn the costings, but getting them adjusted can be painful |
| 11:58:22 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Again, I found it often best to modify them for different signals... i.e. My ground plane was routed first... there was no way that was ever getting on to the top layer, so I set the cost for the top to 99 for that run |
| 11:58:34 | Tangent | But for other signals , the top cost is minimal |
| 11:58:56 | MicroChip32 | ahhhhhhhhh, i c |
| 11:59:04 | Tangent | Biggest pain in the arse was working out how big a 0.8mm drill is in mil |
| 11:59:45 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe |
| 11:59:59 | MicroChip32 | ok whats that board for? some sort of serial interface i can see |
| 12:00:38 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : OK.. I'll tell you... |
| 12:01:10 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : But first... here's a picture of v0.1 of the board... before I understoor the autorouter... Please note all the wire links... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/15.jpg |
| 12:01:29 | Tangent | and here's the new improved version... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/16.jpg |
| 12:01:49 | Tangent | And here's the layer below that one... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/9.jpg |
| 12:02:16 | MicroChip32 | wire links: eeeeeewwww |
| 12:02:35 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I decided I wanted to have my office fully automated... Lights come on when you walk in etc... |
| 12:03:01 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I also decided that I wanted 'Climate Control' like I have in my car... Not just aircon, but full on climate control |
| 12:03:23 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Plus, I have some solar panels, deep cycle battey, inverter, X10 etc |
| 12:03:33 | MicroChip32 | kewl |
| 12:03:58 | MicroChip32 | must have been you said something about your tux doing office control last night right? |
| 12:06:06 | MicroChip32 | s/you(\s)said/that/ |
| 12:06:36 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm not sure that will work that way |
| 12:06:39 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I started putting together bits of automation stuff using kits and modules... I had already decided that the Tux should control it all, but for convenience, it was using 2xserial +1xparallel on a PC |
| 12:07:16 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : The board is to take a single serial port, and control one parallel port kit, one serial port kit, 6 temperature sensor busses and 4 PWM fans... |
| 12:07:24 | MicroChip32 | should just put an ethernet on the controller and network it to the tux ;) |
| 12:07:37 | Tangent | Plus, it will act as an interface to other rooms in my house when I get around to sorting them out |
| 12:07:51 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : It's running on the PC at the moment with an X display on the Tux |
| 12:08:02 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Hence the piccy last night |
| 12:08:31 | Tangent | Ethernet is a bit too complex for me to tackle... |
| 12:08:40 | MicroChip32 | yep, nice pic too. i want to do some of the automation stuff too, i have the x10 firecracker they were giving away last year |
| 12:08:42 | Tangent | The whole of my code base is probably smaller than a TCP stack |
| 12:08:48 | MicroChip32 | wow, cool |
| 12:09:08 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : The PICS have about 1K of code each |
| 12:09:41 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Sadly, I'm at the non-fun bit of coding now... Everything works right now.. but there's no error handling at all yet |
| 12:10:02 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : So it's all fine until there's a bit error on the serial port.. then I get plunged into darkness |
| 12:10:19 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: look into the ummmm, crap there's a real small serial network protocol thats perfect for home automation, but i cant think of what it is at the moment |
| 12:10:29 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : RS485 |
| 12:10:42 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Multi-drop serial protocol.. 5V drive |
| 12:10:55 | MicroChip32 | no not 485, stby, i'll dig it out of my vb stuff |
| 12:11:26 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I came up with my own bus for Chip to Chip comms.. I didn't like I2C... |
| 12:11:36 | Tangent | And SPI caused me too much pain too |
| 12:11:55 | MicroChip32 | cool, ever try the one-wire stuff ? |
| 12:12:11 | Tangent | Yeah.. that's my six temperature sensor busses.. |
| 12:12:25 | Tangent | Tho I haven't implemented the search rom feature yet |
| 12:14:10 | MicroChip32 | kewl, i have two of the basic id one-wire chips, but havent figured out how to attach them to anything since i only have a standard soldering iron |
| 12:14:37 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : You could pretty easily make a parallel port dongle to attach one to |
| 12:15:13 | MicroChip32 | the circuitry isnt the problem, its the fact that my soldering iron tip is several times the size of those stupid chips |
| 12:15:16 | MicroChip32 | =) |
| 12:15:37 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah.. I now have the advantage of having good tools for stuff like this |
| 12:15:58 | MicroChip32 | hehehe, yea im anything but equipped for smt stuff, its that $$ thing |
| 12:16:45 | MicroChip32 | ok, the protocol im thinking of is S.N.A.P. |
| 12:17:10 | Tangent | Heh.. I couldn't handle SMT... The Dallus stuff I use is the DS1820... 3 pin package.. looks like a normal transistor (non-smt) |
| 12:17:47 | MicroChip32 | ahhh that would be easier. yea i got some free samples, pinhead size chips |
| 12:18:00 | Tangent | starts reading the SNAP docs |
| 12:18:03 | MicroChip32 | www.hth.com/snap is the url for that protocol above |
| 12:18:19 | Tangent | Already there :) |
| 12:18:30 | MicroChip32 | hehehe how'd yo find it so fast ? |
| 12:18:56 | | Tangent: what? |
| 12:18:56 | Tangent | ibot google snap serial protocol |
| 12:19:01 | Tangent | ibot google for snap serial protocol |
| 12:19:06 | | Tangent: Google can't find snap serial protocol |
| 12:19:13 | MicroChip32 | i really like it, its simple, small, flexible, and extendable |
| 12:19:18 | Tangent | It's lying... that's how I found it.. |
| 12:19:28 | MicroChip32 | ibot google for s.n.a.p |
| 12:19:33 | | MicroChip32: Google can't find s.n.a.p |
| 12:19:42 | MicroChip32 | hmmm, a lying bot |
| 12:19:49 | Tangent | ibot google for "snap serial protocol" |
| 12:19:53 | | Tangent: Google can't find snap serial protocol |
| 12:20:01 | Tangent | ibot google for google |
| 12:20:05 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 12:20:05 | | Tangent: Google can't find google |
| 12:20:15 | Tangent | Yeah.. great... Thanks ibot |
| 12:20:52 | MicroChip32 | wow that site has lots more samples then when i was playing with snap (with basic stamp and palm pilot) |
| 12:21:17 | Tangent | SNAP looks like overkill for what I need |
| 12:21:40 | MicroChip32 | snap can be implemented very small, or fairly large |
| 12:21:55 | MicroChip32 | i had a fully functioning setup on a basic stamp |
| 12:22:15 | MicroChip32 | its very capable for its size |
| 12:24:53 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah... very very capable by the looks of it... |
| 12:24:55 | MicroChip32 | sheesh, theyve taken all the fun out of it, looks like theyve got everything in pre-coded samples and compiled software now. |
| 12:25:03 | MicroChip32 | i had to write my own ;) |
| 12:25:22 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : But I'm scared of features like 16.7 million node addresses... 512byte packets etc... |
| 12:25:46 | MicroChip32 | heheheh, ya dont need all that, thats just its capability. |
| 12:25:49 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I'm currently using only 16 bytes of RAM on my PICS.. |
| 12:26:16 | MicroChip32 | gonna use more than that for error checking |
| 12:26:21 | Tangent | is just moaning becuase Tangent sucks at coding stuff |
| 12:27:03 | MicroChip32 | hahaha |
| 12:28:04 | Tangent | I'm using 16 bytes of ram because the particular 16 bytes I'm using are replicated in all 4 memory banks... so I don't have to worry about being in the wrong bank ever |
| 12:28:34 | Tangent | Damn it.. why didn't occam ever catch on.. I could understand how to code in that |
| 12:28:53 | MicroChip32 | =) |
| 12:29:59 | Tangent | My current stumbling block is implementing parity bit, and timeouts for chip to chip comms... |
| 12:30:24 | Tangent | I'm being stupid, and trying to make it more difficult than it actually is... because I'm scared of it |
| 12:34:38 | MicroChip32 | hehe i know how that goes |
| 12:36:41 | MicroChip32 | a couple years ago i was involved in an embedded project and was afraid of getting my feet wet in the coding because i didnt want to damage the limited hardware units i had ... i finally spent 3 26 hour days digesting about an inch of assembly language printouts and wrote a solution to a problem nobody else had solved yet |
| 12:42:35 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I often find that writing the comments first helps me get through it all... That way, I'm just filling in the blanks, rather than trying to think |
| 12:42:59 | Tangent | Generally the first 30 or so lines I write will start with a ; |
| 12:43:21 | MicroChip32 | true |
| 12:45:22 | Tangent | Heh.. I just turned off an X10 device via my Tux (albeit through an ssh to another box) :) |
| 12:45:37 | Tangent | I can see no reason why that wouldn't work locally now though |
| 12:50:01 | MicroChip32 | i had at one point a web interface whre i could operate my x10-firecracker from the web |
| 13:02:39 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Hrm.. yeah.. I know it's cool and everything, but I'm still not convinced about having an internet accessible interface to my house.. |
| 13:03:03 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I can imaging hackers plunging me into darkness, and turning the aircon up to full power... |
| 13:03:20 | Tangent | Hmm.. kinda similar to my current software really... :) |
| 13:03:55 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe thats what passwords and stuff is for ;) |
| 13:04:08 | MicroChip32 | i had mine limited to certain ips among other things |
| 13:07:37 | MicroChip32 | hehehe i ~think~ i just attached one of my 1-wire's up ... ;) |
| 13:07:59 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Cool... hooked it up to what? |
| 13:08:47 | MicroChip32 | across two solder pads, now to rig it up to test. ummm guess i need to dig out my docs first |
| 13:09:22 | MicroChip32 | note that this stupid chip would pass right thru one of these wire holes :) |
| 13:09:55 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah.. but what device is it connected to? |
| 13:10:06 | MicroChip32 | no device yet, thats next |
| 13:10:20 | MicroChip32 | just attached it to something i ~can~ solder wires too |
| 13:10:20 | Tangent | Ah.. OK :) |
| 13:16:00 | MicroChip32 | fart. cant find my 1-wire docs. dont suppose you have a url handy ? |
| 13:19:14 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I can get DS1820 docs without a problem.. I got me details from there |
| 13:19:22 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : What device are you using? |
| 13:20:19 | MicroChip32 | not sure the code num any more, its the very basic one, the one that just spits out an id code |
| 13:21:28 | MicroChip32 | 2401 |
| 13:21:50 | Tangent | http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/arpdf/DS2401.pdf |
| 13:22:11 | MicroChip32 | hehe yea, i found the pdf on my backup cd :) thats how i knew the code ;) |
| 13:40:36 | scanline | awakens |
| 13:42:12 | scanline | morning GPSFan |
| 14:01:38 | GPSFan | scanline: 'morning |
| 14:07:49 | scanline | is away: breakfast, bbiab |
| 14:18:59 | scanline | is back (gone 00:11:09) |
| 14:19:03 | scanline | nothing open yet... |
| 14:20:01 | GPSFan | scanline: try any other 5V PCMCIA cards? |
| 14:20:25 | scanline | GPSFan: I don't have any 5v cards, just my FA411 and a 16MB CF card |
| 14:21:02 | GPSFan | ah, for some reason I thought you did. |
| 14:21:17 | scanline | wasn't it andersee that tied the mod? |
| 14:21:22 | scanline | s/tied/tried/ |
| 14:21:59 | GPSFan | ah, that's right, you did the swell no-board audio mod. ;>) |
| 14:22:03 | scanline | hehe |
| 14:22:18 | scanline | yeah. I'll probably get one of those PCBs GoRK's been working on, but this works fine for now |
| 14:23:31 | GPSFan | yea, he has really got to liking ExpressPCB, has had several iterations so far, and it looks like there will be a useable design soon. |
| 14:23:52 | scanline | ExpressPCB's ok... |
| 14:24:37 | scanline | I had a lot of frustration trying to layout 2mm pitch TQFP chips on it though. I don't like their CAD |
| 14:24:39 | GPSFan | for simple stuff, and it gets you pricing info, which may be hard to come by via other routes. |
| 14:24:45 | scanline | right |
| 14:24:58 | GPSFan | theit CAD is crude at best. |
| 14:25:03 | scanline | I might use it for my little ez328vga project |
| 14:25:13 | GPSFan | k? |
| 14:25:41 | scanline | It was a way to connect a VGA monitor to a 68EZ328 Dragonball, and do the HSYNC and VSYNC in software :) |
| 14:25:50 | scanline | Not really useful, but fun |
| 14:26:08 | scanline | I had it on a breadboard, but I needed that breadboard to work on shanip2 |
| 14:26:14 | GPSFan | cute, a monitor for your Palm Pilot. ;>) |
| 14:26:27 | scanline | hehe. yep, just add 2 logic chips |
| 14:26:46 | scanline | I couldn't get the 16mhz ez328 to get a decent resolution though |
| 14:26:55 | scanline | I had it doing 120x480 IIRC |
| 14:27:11 | scanline | 8 colors |
| 14:27:17 | GPSFan | any interest in another serial port for the Tux? |
| 14:27:35 | scanline | hmm... Couldn't you use a PCMCIA serial card? |
| 14:28:01 | AlHaz | pcmcia serial cards are surprisingly expensive |
| 14:28:06 | GPSFan | sure, but the hardware is already there and it is 3 trace cuts and 2 jumpers. |
| 14:28:12 | scanline | wow |
| 14:28:15 | AlHaz | tho an enterprising hacker can rip open an old 14k modem and turn it into a serial port |
| 14:28:23 | scanline | yep :) |
| 14:29:36 | GPSFan | the current serial port on the TUX has rx, tx and 2 modem control lines. No one really uses the modem control lines, and Serial Port #1 on the SA1100 is not connected, so 3 trace cuts, 2 jumpers later + some drivers. |
| 14:30:09 | scanline | neat |
| 14:30:17 | scanline | not sure what i'd use another port for though |
| 14:30:50 | scanline | hmm |
| 14:30:57 | scanline | Palm pilot docking station built in :) |
| 14:31:06 | GPSFan | one is enough for me at the moment too, but those are the things that come to light when you start poking arround at the guts of stuff. |
| 14:35:13 | scanline | Yeah. Stuff it seems that even Lucent didn't realize |
| 14:35:31 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 14:36:57 | Tangent | GPSFan : Did I just hear you say that there's a spare serial port on the tux that's not connected to anything? |
| 14:40:02 | Tangent | GPSFan : I take it all that'd be required is a MAX232 ? |
| 14:40:55 | MicroChip32 | GPSFan: ?? |
| 14:45:06 | GPSFan | Tangent: yes, serial port #1 is not used, and if you don't mind losing the RTS/CTS lines of the current one, you don't need anything but 3 cuts & 2 jumpers. |
| 14:46:19 | Tangent | GPSFan : And as it happens, I don't need RTS or CTS :) |
| 14:47:20 | Tangent | GPSFan : So unlike the iPAQ, the touchscreen isn't on one of the serial ports then? |
| 14:47:44 | GPSFan | Tangent: correct the TS is on the UCB1200 |
| 14:47:58 | Tangent | GPSFan : Cool :D |
| 14:48:29 | GPSFan | Tangent: look at http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/conns.pdf |
| 14:48:50 | Tangent | So once I do the shanip board, and add a second serial port, then I'm done with my hardware mods for this unit, and it can take control of my office for me :) |
| 14:48:50 | GPSFan | Tangent: notice that all 3 serial ports are connected to J601 |
| 14:49:04 | Tangent | looks |
| 14:50:01 | GPSFan | Tangent: now look at http://www.tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/ucb1200b.pdf |
| 14:51:11 | GPSFan | Tangent: see that comming out of the other end of J601 that the input to RXD1 is grounded on pin 28 and that TDX1 in a no-connect. |
| 14:52:25 | GPSFan | Tangent: so the 3 cuts are to disconnect the RTS/CTS lines, and the ground from RXD1, the 2 jumpers reconnect the rxd & txd lines to the rs232 converters. |
| 14:52:27 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yep.. I can see all that (Once I rotated the schematics) |
| 14:52:55 | Tangent | GPSFan : I may even have a spare rs232 port knocking around too... |
| 14:53:14 | Tangent | I'll do the shanip first tho' |
| 14:53:52 | scanline | Tangent: Going to wait for the PCB? |
| 14:53:58 | GPSFan | you will have to make up a special DE9 connector th break out the former RTS/CTS lines out as the 2nd serial. |
| 14:54:20 | Tangent | scanline : Why wait...I have PCB etching stuff here... but I was just going to make it on stripboard |
| 14:55:09 | scanline | Tangent: Well, GoRK was putting one together with line in, line out, headphone jack, microphone in... |
| 14:55:11 | Tangent | GPSFan : I may just throw another max232 on there. |
| 14:55:24 | Tangent | scanline : Nah.. .I'm not interested in the jack sockets |
| 14:55:42 | GPSFan | Tangent: that would mean that you only need 1 cut and add the MAX232 stuff. |
| 14:56:02 | Tangent | GPSFan : It'll give me a PCB to mount the DB9 on too :) |
| 14:56:21 | Tangent | Throw Shanip, MAX232 and DB9 all on the same board... |
| 14:56:36 | Tangent | Cut a hole in the back to mount the extra serial port... All done :) |
| 14:56:48 | GPSFan | sweet. |
| 14:57:03 | GPSFan | what about drivers? |
| 14:57:24 | Tangent | I'd imagine that the SA1100 serial port driver is already written |
| 14:57:34 | Tangent | ;) |
| 14:57:36 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 14:58:47 | MicroChip32 | GPSFan: why need to discon the rts/cts of serial 0 to make serial 1 if serial one is already available. |
| 14:59:27 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : The MAX232 chips have 4 lines each.. rx, tx, rts, cts... If we don't need rts and cts, we only need one chip for both ports |
| 14:59:28 | GPSFan | Tangent: the cut on the comms board to seperate pin 28 from ground may not be easy. |
| 14:59:48 | Tangent | GPSFan : That's not gonna stop me |
| 15:00:13 | GPSFan | Tangent: but it is not under the DSP or anything nasty like that. |
| 15:00:55 | Tangent | GPSFan : I have a pillar drill.. If the cut reqires anything too tricky, I'll just get at it with 0.6mm drill :) |
| 15:02:10 | Tangent | Ah to hell with it... I'll do it on a PCB rather than stripboard.. .may as well use up this batch of FeCL before it goes off |
| 15:04:00 | MicroChip32 | GPSFan: oic. but if Tangent or myself were to add our own max we wouldnt need to mod ser0 at all right? |
| 15:04:31 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : That's right |
| 15:04:49 | GPSFan | MicroChip32: true, I just thought it might be cool to have a no-parts mod. |
| 15:04:58 | MicroChip32 | so that means that we could, with the right drivers, make actually 4 serial ports w/o rts/cts lines on each |
| 15:05:35 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : If we started bitbanging GPIO lines then yes... but the SA1100 has three built in ones (one used for keyboard) |
| 15:06:05 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: hehehe yea, but then, why would we need 4 serial's anyway |
| 15:06:12 | GPSFan | MicroChip32: well port 0 is the USB, port 1 is unused, port 2 is the kbd and port 3 is the rs232 serial. |
| 15:06:33 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Who doesn't need 4x serial... I have so many serial devices it's untrue |
| 15:06:50 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: true, but you gonna connect em all directly to the tux ? |
| 15:07:05 | MicroChip32 | besides, where ya gonna put that many ports on the tux shell ? |
| 15:07:09 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I don't know.. That could be kinda useful ;) |
| 15:07:12 | GPSFan | Tangent: too bad the USB is not a master. ;>( |
| 15:07:27 | MicroChip32 | GPSFan: where's the usb anyway, i dont see a connector |
| 15:07:34 | Tangent | GPSFan : It's still useful as a slave.. Gives us 600KB/s networking |
| 15:08:11 | Tangent | I suppose I could add that onto this PCB too ;) |
| 15:08:23 | GPSFan | Tangent: anyone doing a client USB driver? |
| 15:08:49 | Tangent | GPSFan : It's been done on the iPAQ for ages.. I've been using it for 8 months |
| 15:09:00 | GPSFan | ooooo! |
| 15:10:02 | GPSFan | the USB comes out to J602 |
| 15:10:23 | Tangent | Oooh :) |
| 15:10:41 | Tangent | Now what's the chip I don't have that does 5V differnetial drive called? |
| 15:10:52 | MicroChip32 | GPSFan: so usb is available inside the box, but not connected to anything ? |
| 15:11:15 | scanline | Tangent: PHY |
| 15:11:20 | GPSFan | MicroChip32: true, J602 pins 7 & 8 |
| 15:11:22 | scanline | i think |
| 15:11:53 | GPSFan | Tangent: RS422 or RS485 |
| 15:11:54 | MicroChip32 | GPSFan: how hard would be be to hook that to a std usb port on the case, and any point in doing so ? |
| 15:12:24 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : It should be very very easy... and isn't 600KB/s network point enough for you? |
| 15:12:42 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: it'd be a good start ;) |
| 15:12:50 | GPSFan | MicroChip32: it would have to be a slave connector since it is a slave interface, ie you could not hook anything but a PeeCee to it. |
| 15:13:25 | MicroChip32 | GPSFan: yea, but couldnt you use it, as Tangent suggests, as a network interface? |
| 15:13:50 | MicroChip32 | instead of pcmcia ethernet ? |
| 15:13:59 | GPSFan | of course, as Tangent said he's been using it on his iPaq for 8 months. |
| 15:14:32 | GPSFan | we are just locking the connector and the driver. |
| 15:14:34 | MicroChip32 | that would save someone (like me) from having to make pcmcia 5v mods, or finding a pcm card |
| 15:14:47 | MicroChip32 | s/locking/lacking/ ?? |
| 15:14:53 | GPSFan | yep. |
| 15:14:56 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Have you seen the USB<->USB direct connect boxes.. (Like EZlink).. The USB client driver emulates half of one of them... leaving the host thinking it's speaking to a regular USB<->USB driver |
| 15:15:35 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: no i havent, i dont do much with usb except plug my mouse into it |
| 15:16:17 | GPSFan | you could also cut up an old USB cable and use that. |
| 15:17:44 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : http://www.ezlinkusb.com/ |
| 15:17:48 | MicroChip32 | dif topic: what is this processor equivelant to in pc terms? 386/486/586 ?? |
| 15:18:01 | GPSFan_away | bbiab... |
| 15:19:26 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Something like P166 |
| 15:19:56 | MicroChip32 | first generation pentium (586) then eh? |
| 15:20:23 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah... somethink like that... Maybe only a P120... but definately faster than a DX4-100 |
| 15:20:37 | MicroChip32 | hmmm looking at that exlink page am i right that all that is, essentially, is a usb null modem cable ? |
| 15:21:03 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : What it actually is is a 512byte buffer which can be read/written by either end |
| 15:21:21 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : You can't do null-modem with USB... not really anyhow |
| 15:21:30 | MicroChip32 | hmmmmmm, interesting |
| 15:21:40 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : USB is half-duplex only |
| 15:21:51 | MicroChip32 | learn new stuff daily ;) |
| 15:42:15 | MicroChip32 | learn new stuff daily ;) |
| 15:59:43 | Tangent | Which pin would I transmit on? RTS or CTS? One is input, one is output, but which is which? |
| 16:31:28 | MicroChip32 | is there a good way to hold wires on the pads for the 12v unlock ? |
| 16:32:31 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 16:32:51 | Hiraghm | Hi? |
| 16:33:04 | MicroChip32 | lo |
| 16:33:31 | Hiraghm | Am I interrupting a moderated discussion? |
| 16:33:42 | MicroChip32 | nope |
| 16:33:49 | MicroChip32 | simply nobody talking |
| 16:33:58 | Hiraghm | ah. Came across the TuxScreen project page yesterday and got excited about it. |
| 16:34:06 | MicroChip32 | you and everyone else ;) |
| 16:34:07 | Tangent | I was just waiting for someone else to say something first ;) |
| 16:34:13 | Hiraghm | really? that's A Good Thing. |
| 16:34:39 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm the more the merrier, especially if youre a raw hardware programmer with linux experience |
| 16:34:46 | Hiraghm | hm. |
| 16:34:54 | Hiraghm | I've got Linux experience. |
| 16:34:55 | MicroChip32 | but even if you barely know how to use a soldering iron youre welcome (i think) |
| 16:34:58 | Hiraghm | but hardware makes me sweat. |
| 16:35:13 | Hiraghm | I used to could use a soldering iron in my C64 days. |
| 16:35:24 | MicroChip32 | hehehe youre not alone, however you will need to so a ~little~ bit of hardware stuff to get linux doing much on the tux |
| 16:35:31 | Hiraghm | I got excited at the idea of some of the apps I could write <drool> |
| 16:35:45 | MicroChip32 | yea me to, thats the attraction for most of the people |
| 16:36:00 | Hiraghm | yeah. That JTAG dongle thing looks complicated. |
| 16:36:05 | MicroChip32 | i just got my hands on a unit night before last |
| 16:36:11 | Hiraghm | How is it? |
| 16:36:16 | MicroChip32 | naaa the jtag thing is easier than it looks |
| 16:36:18 | Hiraghm | They come still running Inferno, right? |
| 16:36:24 | MicroChip32 | the tux is really cool, even out of the box |
| 16:36:26 | MicroChip32 | yea |
| 16:36:49 | Hiraghm | I looked up the Inferno SDK... $300 for the personal edition. |
| 16:37:15 | MicroChip32 | but it seems theres a whole crapload of stuff the tux hardware can do thats not being used |
| 16:37:26 | Hiraghm | I plan on getting one, if there's any left in a week or so (got stuff happening in the meantime) |
| 16:37:36 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: there should be some left thru the winter |
| 16:38:03 | MicroChip32 | i think tim said hes selling about 50 a week, and has about 700 left |
| 16:38:20 | MicroChip32 | i wanna get two, but cant afford it |
| 16:39:26 | Hiraghm | I may end up getting two 8c( |
| 16:39:32 | Hiraghm | after trashing the first one. |
| 16:39:40 | MicroChip32 | hehehe |
| 16:39:46 | Hiraghm | My current problem is I'm in the middle of a move, and am not sure yet where I'll end up. |
| 16:39:51 | MicroChip32 | id like to have one to keep as is, and one to modify |
| 16:40:04 | Hiraghm | hm. that'd be nifty. |
| 16:40:09 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: that sounds familiar, im in almost exactly the same situation |
| 16:40:11 | Hiraghm | What will it do out of the box, though? |
| 16:40:37 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: out of the box its alot like your standard pda but with a bigger screen, color, and phone attached |
| 16:41:05 | MicroChip32 | kinda like a pda for the household |
| 16:41:18 | Hiraghm | heheh |
| 16:41:58 | MicroChip32 | including internet accessability too, it'll dialup up your isp and get your email, browse the web, etc |
| 16:42:38 | Hiraghm | now *that* rocks |
| 16:42:42 | Hiraghm | out of the box?? |
| 16:42:46 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 16:42:49 | MicroChip32 | browser sukx tho, looks like an early version of msie |
| 16:43:11 | MicroChip32 | just gotta tell it your isp and mail info |
| 16:43:14 | Hiraghm | That's why the TuxScreen project is needed 8c) |
| 16:43:51 | MicroChip32 | well when we get linux going full on the hardware there will be LOTS of cool software made for it |
| 16:45:35 | MicroChip32 | id like to see a software answering machine for it |
| 16:45:48 | MicroChip32 | its got the hardware for it |
| 16:46:24 | AlHaz | the web browser that comes on the phone is pretty useless |
| 16:46:30 | AlHaz | the email client sorta works |
| 16:46:39 | MicroChip32 | AlHaz: youre being too nice :) |
| 16:46:55 | Hiraghm | sighs |
| 16:47:02 | prpplague | hmm, hurrican in the carribean, i wonder how many servers got damaged... |
| 16:47:08 | Hiraghm | yeah, the software answering machine has people around here doing handsprings |
| 16:47:43 | MicroChip32 | prpplague and i might be heading down to florida in a few days, hopefully it will be gone by then |
| 16:47:51 | Hiraghm | our phone number somehow got on a trucker dispatching website, and we get endless long-distance calls day and night. |
| 16:48:07 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: lolol, nice |
| 16:48:13 | Hiraghm | So we're going to go unlisted after the move. |
| 16:48:23 | Hiraghm | (assuming all goes well) |
| 16:48:38 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: where are you, and where do you think youre moving to? |
| 16:48:54 | Hiraghm | Theoretically, you could play 1 on 1 games over the phone with this thing too. |
| 16:49:01 | Hiraghm | Oklahoma City, just across town |
| 16:49:22 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: yep ya could, also (maybe) videophone |
| 16:49:33 | MicroChip32 | hmmm i like that game idea, never thot of that |
| 16:49:40 | Hiraghm | yeah, videophone <drool> |
| 16:49:56 | MicroChip32 | i dunno if the processor is up to doing video tho |
| 16:50:02 | Hiraghm | The Amiga had a series of games that played that way |
| 16:50:30 | Hiraghm | firepower was one I remember. one-on-one tank battle (capture the flag) like BZFlag, I guess |
| 16:51:31 | Hiraghm | 256 color screen right? |
| 16:51:40 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 16:51:47 | Hiraghm | 640 by 480? it could probably do slow-frame video |
| 16:51:55 | Hiraghm | capture an image a second or some such. |
| 16:52:10 | Hiraghm | maybe in a window it could go faster. I'm just guessing. |
| 16:52:16 | Hiraghm | Have you done your conversion yet? |
| 16:52:57 | MicroChip32 | conversion to linux? nope, not yet |
| 16:53:08 | Hiraghm | Good. I'll follow your progress 8c) |
| 16:53:33 | Hiraghm | Any idea where Tim Riker ships the units from? (so I can guess at delivery length) |
| 16:53:35 | MicroChip32 | hehehe, this isnt my unit, its a friend's, so im a bit leery about doing the 12v unlocking procedure |
| 16:53:48 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm dunno for sure |
| 16:53:53 | Hiraghm | ohhh |
| 16:54:00 | MicroChip32 | bbiab |
| 16:54:03 | Hiraghm | okay |
| 16:54:09 | Hiraghm | looks around the channel |
| 16:54:11 | AlHaz | hig: Orem UT, center st. post office |
| 16:54:20 | Hiraghm | Thanks Al |
| 16:54:31 | prpplague | MicroChip32: looks like i might be headed to the caymans for repairs... |
| 16:54:58 | Hiraghm | hm.. wonder if I could get one by wednesday. |
| 16:56:09 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/TuxScreen/shanip232.pdf |
| 16:56:17 | Tangent | How's that grab everyone then |
| 16:57:05 | Hiraghm | ack |
| 16:57:18 | Hiraghm | I can't view pdf on this machine. (NT 4.0 sp 5) |
| 16:57:24 | Hiraghm | gimme a sec |
| 16:58:01 | Tangent | Hiraghm : You may be dissappointed.. It's a PCB layout |
| 16:58:05 | GPSFan_away | Tangent: that's a cool layout, what did you do it in? |
| 16:58:14 | Tangent | GPSFan_away : Eagle PCB |
| 16:58:44 | Hiraghm | is disappointed |
| 16:58:54 | Hiraghm | what's it do? |
| 16:59:06 | Hiraghm | loves Irix |
| 16:59:10 | Tangent | GPSFan : I missed the audio jack off the shanip board as I don't want it. |
| 16:59:26 | Tangent | Hiraghm : It's an audio mod for the tuxscreen... and a second serial port |
| 17:00:32 | Hiraghm | Tuxscreen doesn't have audio? |
| 17:01:31 | Tangent | Hiraghm : It does, but there's a codec chip on the PCB sitting there doing nothing... |
| 17:01:37 | Hiraghm | second serial port would be handy for development purposes, I guess. |
| 17:01:38 | Tangent | Hiraghm : This mod allows it to be used |
| 17:01:58 | Hiraghm | I don't get it. why did they put these things in it if they weren't going to use them? |
| 17:02:12 | Hiraghm | surely it would have saved on costs to just leave them out. |
| 17:03:05 | Tangent | Hiraghm :It's parts of other chips... for example, the SA1100 CPU has 3x serial ports... The tux is only using 2.. (one for the keyboard.) The third one is just sitting there... |
| 17:03:39 | Hiraghm | Oh. |
| 17:03:44 | Tangent | Hiraghm : I guess when they made their webphone they thought they wouldn't need to use the codec part of the chip (don't know what chip it's on) |
| 17:03:48 | Hiraghm | Well, I said I wasn't a hardware type 8c) |
| 17:04:26 | Hiraghm | As I asked MicroChip... is the basic change necessary to put linux on the machine very difficult? |
| 17:04:57 | Hiraghm | (dang, going to have to get a new soldering iron; forgot I broke my old one) |
| 17:05:07 | Tangent | Hiraghm : All you need to get linux on there is a 12v signal (doesn't provide power to anything), that tells the existing OS that it's OK to unlock the flash |
| 17:05:20 | Tangent | Hiraghm : It's a one time only thing, and it takes about 5 mins to do |
| 17:05:39 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: VERY cool layout |
| 17:05:50 | Hiraghm | cheers |
| 17:05:50 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Thanks |
| 17:06:03 | Hiraghm | wonders if he can justify two units somehow |
| 17:06:17 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: is there any tricks to avoid getting 12v where you dont want it ? |
| 17:07:00 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I soldered on two wires for 12V and GND |
| 17:07:19 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I figured that they'd be needed more than once... They weren't |
| 17:07:35 | Hiraghm | Do you have to solder them? |
| 17:07:49 | Hiraghm | can you maybe use baby alligator clips? How long do they have to be attached? |
| 17:08:26 | Tangent | Hiraghm : They only need to be attached for long enough for you to type a couple of commands |
| 17:08:31 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm, only a couple minutes, but theyre on the bottom of the box under a cover, and you have to be able to flip the box over to use it while they're attached |
| 17:08:38 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 17:08:51 | MicroChip32 | and do it w/o disconnecting the wires, or making them touch something else |
| 17:09:18 | MicroChip32 | so id guess a temporary solder tack would be the best bet |
| 17:11:10 | Hiraghm | yeah |
| 17:11:13 | Hiraghm | oh well. |
| 17:11:17 | Hiraghm | I can do that. |
| 17:11:30 | Hiraghm | How functional is Linux on it, currently? |
| 17:11:49 | Hiraghm | (I don't suppose you can save the old flash, like you can with an Ipaq?) |
| 17:11:58 | TanentTux | pretty functionsl |
| 17:12:11 | TanentTux | I'm using this IRC client under X |
| 17:12:19 | MicroChip32 | s/sl/l/ |
| 17:12:21 | TanentTux | You can save the old flash |
| 17:12:28 | Hiraghm | but not on a Tuxscreen? |
| 17:12:31 | TanentTux | Don't think anyone's actually tried a restore yet |
| 17:12:39 | Hiraghm | I mean, you're not doing irc on a tuxscreen right now, are you? |
| 17:12:52 | TanentTux | You can save a copy of the flash on your PC's disk |
| 17:13:36 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/Tux.jpg |
| 17:13:58 | TanentTux | Yeah.. right now on IRC on my tux... Just like in that piccie :) |
| 17:14:12 | MicroChip32 | TanentTux sweet |
| 17:14:22 | Tangent | Hiraghm : and here's my office automation stuff on the Tux... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/AutomatedTux.jpg |
| 17:14:38 | Hiraghm | woot |
| 17:15:05 | Tangent | I have a 1GB microdrive and ethernet card in the two pcmcia slots |
| 17:15:05 | Hiraghm | Oh man. I'm sold. Wish I could reach Tim Riker right away 8c( |
| 17:15:28 | Hiraghm | Ahh.. never thought of that. Would need considerable storage for Linux 8c( |
| 17:15:34 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: stick around, hes usually on here sometime or other |
| 17:15:42 | Hiraghm | 'kay, will do. |
| 17:15:44 | Tangent | Hiraghm : I have no regrets... I bought two... I may even buy some more if I can get a job soon enough |
| 17:15:50 | Hiraghm | lol |
| 17:15:56 | Hiraghm | I hear you there. |
| 17:15:58 | MicroChip32 | Tangent you and me both |
| 17:16:16 | MicroChip32 | imagines a tux-lan workshop ;) |
| 17:16:17 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : You and me and hald the other people on here :/ |
| 17:16:26 | MicroChip32 | yea that too Tangent |
| 17:16:43 | Tangent | We should all set up a company.. Don't know what it'd do, but wed have cool phones ;) |
| 17:17:02 | MicroChip32 | hehe, an R&D company |
| 17:17:09 | MicroChip32 | naturally |
| 17:17:19 | MicroChip32 | develop linux stuff for odd-ball platforms |
| 17:17:37 | Hiraghm | heehee |
| 17:17:50 | prpplague | there are lots of companies that make big bucks that way |
| 17:18:16 | prpplague | most of what i get paid for is trying to get linux running on legacy equipment, most POS stuff |
| 17:19:30 | Hiraghm | point of sale or piece of sh*t? 8c) |
| 17:19:53 | prpplague | take your pick most of it would fall in both catagories... |
| 17:20:02 | Hiraghm | Thing is, nobody makes these machines any more |
| 17:20:13 | Hiraghm | so the customer base would be pretty tiny |
| 17:20:27 | Hiraghm | is this the same SA processor that's in the Ipaq? |
| 17:22:46 | SteveD | MicroChip32: time to stop proscrastinating. plug that soldering iron in - we'll talk you through it... |
| 17:23:17 | Hiraghm | panics and screams |
| 17:23:34 | Hiraghm | LOL |
| 17:23:37 | Hiraghm | you scared him |
| 17:23:41 | SteveD | something I said? ;-) |
| 17:23:44 | Hiraghm | heehee |
| 17:24:03 | prpplague | Tangent: your a kernel guru aren't you? |
| 17:24:06 | Hiraghm | Well, I'm going to get one, if Tim Riker shows up today. |
| 17:25:00 | Hiraghm | wonders why "Hotel California" keeps going through his head |
| 17:26:10 | Hiraghm | is the JTAG dongle thingy necessary? |
| 17:26:22 | Hiraghm | Or is it just if you screw up the conversion? |
| 17:26:31 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: no, but it provides a safety net if ya screw up a data transfer |
| 17:26:38 | Tangent | Hiraghm : You only need that if you screw up... |
| 17:26:47 | Hiraghm | Oh good. |
| 17:26:49 | Tangent | Hiraghm : You can make one yourself on breadboard if you really need to |
| 17:26:57 | Hiraghm | shakes his head |
| 17:26:59 | MicroChip32 | and do it internally too <G> |
| 17:27:17 | Hiraghm | no, I don't think I'm *that* good with a soldering iron anymore. |
| 17:27:41 | Hiraghm | I can handle a spot soldering for the two wires. but I'm not up to circuit boards yet. |
| 17:28:01 | Tangent | Hiraghm : Breadboard... no soldering required |
| 17:28:06 | SteveD | is AWAY at 18:30:47 : food |
| 17:28:10 | Hiraghm | ah.. hm. |
| 17:28:40 | Hiraghm | How does one develop for the Tuxscreen? Linuxbox, and download binary to the Tux? |
| 17:28:53 | Hiraghm | or is there yet a native SDK? |
| 17:29:15 | Hiraghm | hmm.. Kdevelop would be nice. |
| 17:30:38 | Hiraghm | don't mind me; I have trouble dealing with prolonged silences <grin> |
| 17:35:33 | Hiraghm | nuts |
| 17:35:55 | prpplague | i just posted a msg to the linux-arm-kernel list, hope i don't get smoked to bad... |
| 17:37:11 | Hiraghm | Paypal doesn't show a way for me to adjust shipping costs for 2nd day |
| 17:37:22 | Hiraghm | cause I absolutely positively must have it by wednesday evening 8c( |
| 17:37:29 | Hiraghm | cries pathetically |
| 17:38:10 | Hiraghm | why would you get smoked, prpplague? |
| 17:39:22 | Tangent | Hiraghm : There's a cross compile toolchain that lets you compile Strongarm stuff (i.e. for the Tux) on an X86 box |
| 17:39:50 | Hiraghm | Is there somewhere else I can find more out about the TuxScreen? Like the original advertising for the unit, or something? |
| 17:39:51 | Hiraghm | ahhh. |
| 17:40:16 | Hiraghm | it would be nifty if you could develop right on the Tux. |
| 17:40:53 | Hiraghm | I did run Mandrake on an X86 box, but didn't see the point of running it and Irix. |
| 17:41:46 | Hiraghm | http://www.qbenet.com/productsVivo.htm |
| 17:41:53 | Hiraghm | put Linux on that. |
| 17:42:05 | Hiraghm | and it'd be perfect. |
| 17:42:20 | Hiraghm | well, almost. could have faster 3D. |
| 17:42:32 | prpplague | Hiraghm: kernel gurus tend to be a little impatience(rude) with kernelnewbies |
| 17:42:47 | Hiraghm | Oh, that's okay. I've the skin of a rhino. |
| 17:43:11 | Hiraghm | I'm feeling pretty stupid already asking all the questions about the TuxScreen. <shrug> |
| 17:43:57 | SteveD | is back after 0 d 0 h 15 m 50 s |
| 17:44:07 | prpplague | Hiraghm: i depend on these guys to help, so i try not to piss them off, and i try to choose my questions carefuly |
| 17:44:36 | SteveD | MicroChip32: we think its time you broke out the soldering iron and got that flash unlocked. |
| 17:44:57 | prpplague | MicroChip32: ya get to it! |
| 17:45:13 | Hiraghm | prpplague, if either Tim Riker were to show up or someone were to explain how I can get 2 day delivery using Paypal, I'd be out of here. |
| 17:45:31 | Hiraghm | (and no longer annoying the kernel gurus) |
| 17:46:04 | prpplague | Hiraghm: not annoying me, and no i don't how to get 2nd day delivery |
| 17:46:12 | SteveD | Hiraghm: I think Tim only ships twice a week. You just impatient by nature, then? |
| 17:46:25 | Hiraghm | SteveD, my address will change, then. |
| 17:46:34 | Hiraghm | And someone I don't trust will have my old address. |
| 17:46:37 | SteveD | aaah |
| 17:47:04 | Hiraghm | Yeah, I forgot about reading that. Was so busy looking for other details I glossed over the tuesday/thursday shipping 8c( |
| 17:48:44 | prpplague | argh, i don't what to do about this driver, i'm just going to have to wait for feed back from the linux-arm-kernel list |
| 17:50:05 | Hiraghm | Tangent, what X-client are you running? |
| 17:50:21 | SteveD | does someone have a arm4 pppd binary around? |
| 17:50:31 | Tangent | Hiraghm : It's TinyIRC |
| 17:50:45 | Hiraghm | I meant what GUI. Microwindows? |
| 17:51:49 | Hiraghm | The TuxScreen website lists about 4; PicoGUI, Microwindows, RunningX, and one other. |
| 17:53:27 | MicroChip32 | SteveD / prpplague : patience patience, im a bit leery about doing it since its a loaned unit, not mine |
| 17:55:42 | SteveD | MicroChip32: who owned one and hasn't linux'ed it, then? |
| 17:56:23 | MicroChip32 | friend of mine who hadnt had a chance to play yet. MacAtack, who'd been on here a few times over the last week |
| 17:57:07 | MicroChip32 | s/'d/'s/ |
| 17:57:28 | Hiraghm | Doh! prpplague, you're referring to the guys on the linux arm list, not in here. |
| 17:57:48 | SteveD | I'd call the mod straightforward, and I'm no EE. But maybe you should wait if its not yours.... |
| 17:58:37 | MicroChip32 | SteveD: im not worried about how to do it, ive done similar stuff, but dont really wanna mess it up before he can ;) |
| 17:58:47 | prpplague | Hiraghm: yes the linux-arm-kernel list, the #tuxscreen is the absolute best place on irc for embedded systems help |
| 17:58:55 | Hiraghm | hokay. |
| 17:59:17 | prpplague | Hiraghm: at least IMHO |
| 17:59:42 | Hiraghm | Well, I was thinking about putting Linux on an Ipaq. This could prove a good stepping stone in that direction. |
| 17:59:48 | Hiraghm | for experience, I mean. |
| 18:00:14 | prpplague | Hiraghm: should be good experience |
| 18:00:38 | SteveD | linux on the ipaq is fun too. but definitely more hack-fun-per-$ with the tux |
| 18:04:30 | prpplague | SteveD: ohh ya |
| 18:05:25 | prpplague | SteveD: this is what i want to get running linux - http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/ceiva/ceiva.htm |
| 18:07:17 | Hiraghm | Beyond hacking, is there any reason to run Linux on an Ipaq? I mean, on the Tuxscreen it's so you can do more because the hardware's not being utilized. |
| 18:08:32 | prpplague | Hiraghm: same with ipaq, i don't do winblows programming, one of the first things i wrote for the yopy/ipaq is a program to keep track of my beer ratings, would be very hard for me to do that in winblows |
| 18:09:03 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 18:10:02 | Hiraghm | Welp, I've gotta go get some boxes. I'll be back later though. |
| 18:10:09 | prpplague | Hiraghm: later |
| 18:10:23 | Hiraghm | Thanks for the info and help. I'll be pestering you more after I get mine and am ready to convert it 8c) |
| 18:36:50 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: you there? |
| 18:46:39 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: yes |
| 19:00:08 | Hiraghm | I came back |
| 19:07:37 | Hiraghm | Hope Mesa or MiniGL can be port to it. |
| 19:07:48 | Hiraghm | portED |
| 19:19:21 | SteveD | figured out why hix tuxscreen phone didn't seem to work. Ahem. Now that I've put the connector on straight inside things are much improved |
| 19:21:26 | Hiraghm | hm. I wonder if the Tuxscreen could be made portable? |
| 19:22:05 | Hiraghm | or... hook it up to a cigarette lighter, slip in a celluar PCcard, and have the coolest car phone around. 8c) |
| 19:23:18 | prpplague | Hiraghm: there are a couple of ppl try to make it mobile |
| 19:25:41 | Hiraghm | cool |
| 19:25:46 | Hiraghm | nods vigorously |
| 19:26:06 | Hiraghm | needs some kind of latch to keep the phone in place, though. |
| 19:27:11 | SteveD | how does the phone part of the tux function without wheaties etc? mine is pulse dial, speaker button doesn't do anything... |
| 19:27:40 | SteveD | (then, what's odd is that running tuxphone doesn't change anything either except that message LED blinks when I start tuxphone) |
| 19:28:50 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: without software it drops back to pulse dial, it uses the DSP to generate the DTMF tones, so tuxphone or something else needs to be running |
| 19:29:22 | SteveD | but - running tuxphone makes no change...? my phone damaged? |
| 19:29:46 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: probably not, do you have a /dev/wheaties device? |
| 19:30:03 | SteveD | sure - mknod c 60 0 ? |
| 19:30:17 | GoRK | does your kernel have the wheaties driver? |
| 19:30:36 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: the obvious eh? |
| 19:31:13 | SteveD | believe so - cat </dev/wheaties successfully opens and displays some garbage (and winks the message led) |
| 19:31:20 | GoRK | you have to apply the patch manually and compile -- none of the kernel binaries from the download section are compiled with wheaties support |
| 19:31:21 | GoRK | hrm |
| 19:31:39 | GoRK | you get some dots and things? |
| 19:32:00 | SteveD | GoRK: Paragraph symbol, SSU to be exact |
| 19:32:24 | SteveD | but nothing further if I hit keys etc |
| 19:32:56 | SteveD | i'll just recompile tuxphone with debugging++ |
| 19:33:10 | GoRK | your kernel has to have unix sockets for tuxphone |
| 19:33:19 | GoRK | i dont think it uses tcp/ip (yet) |
| 19:33:37 | SteveD | I'll check that they are included |
| 19:34:11 | GoRK | debug 4 gets you socket info, debug 3 just tells you what is going on with the dsp (including sanity checks, etc) debug 2 gets you all the commands and debug 1 just gets you the basics like callerid info and ring notices |
| 19:34:55 | SteveD | i upped it to 9 so that should take care of it. I've got unix sockets + tcpip |
| 19:35:23 | GoRK | odd... tuxphone should play happy_tone when it starts up |
| 19:35:35 | GoRK | err TONE_HAPPY |
| 19:35:37 | GoRK | :) |
| 19:36:02 | GoRK | im off to 5V |
| 19:36:16 | GoRK | brb |
| 19:36:18 | SteveD | i'll see what higher debug has to say |
| 19:43:40 | SteveD | nothing interesting - winks the message led, displays "TONE 04 DEST 01" (but no sound). If the phone is off hook when you run tuxphone I additionally get BUTTON: 88 and VOLUME: 01 |
| 19:44:10 | SteveD | oh - and "LEDS: 00 0f BLINK: 14" |
| 19:44:20 | Hiraghm | mebbe the speaker is broken? |
| 19:44:47 | SteveD | its supposed to switch to tone dialling but doesn't. ... :-( |
| 19:45:21 | SteveD | could it be something to do with the UK phone system? different line impendance, voltage or suchlike? |
| 19:46:45 | SteveD | unrelated question - what does putting batteries in do? |
| 19:47:51 | MicroChip32 | speaking of which - the thing has some awsome internal backup, unless its nonvolitile ram. in the two hours i had it in peices last night it didnt lose any of my info |
| 20:13:38 | GoRK | SteveD: batteries just make the dsp function in its limited state when power is disconnected... tone 04 dest 01 is tuxphone writing the tone command to the wheateis device.. button: 88 is the off hook event, volume:01 is setting the handset volume in response and leds: 00 0f blink:14 is flipping the line relay to open the line... |
| 20:14:17 | GoRK | if tone 04 dest 01 isnt playing a tone, there is something amiss... perhaps there is indeed some flsw in the kernel driver... |
| 20:15:25 | GoRK | SteveD: the line impedence etc should only affect ring detection and parallel set detect and the like... if you hear dialtone this should work |
| 20:15:45 | SteveD | GoRK: so seeing those events suggests the dsp is alive and working? |
| 20:16:13 | GoRK | yes. button: is a response from the dsp |
| 20:16:27 | GoRK | the rest are commands that dont seem to be working |
| 20:16:50 | GoRK | you should also be seeing sanity check commands and ACK|NAK's every second |
| 20:17:06 | SteveD | but what's odd is you don't see those events as you pick up the phone etc. but only if you have already picked up the phone before you run tuxphone |
| 20:17:30 | SteveD | also - no logged sanities, I do see the poll() call every sec |
| 20:18:04 | GoRK | if the driver is hanging up on writing things to the dsp, it won't be able to read either |
| 20:18:27 | GoRK | dsp events get cached and backlogged in a read buffer |
| 20:18:47 | SteveD | so - it looks like things are OK UNTIL tuxphone starts trying to work with the dsp? |
| 20:19:09 | GoRK | right but the first thing tuxphone tries to do is write to it... it looks like maybe the writes arent happening |
| 20:19:46 | MicroChip32 | ot-question: this is all being done in ansi-c rather than cpp right ? |
| 20:19:51 | MicroChip32 | aka no oop stuff? |
| 20:20:06 | GoRK | yes no cpp.. ucblibc can't currently deal with it |
| 20:20:19 | MicroChip32 | ucb is what ? |
| 20:20:24 | GoRK | err |
| 20:20:25 | GoRK | uclibc |
| 20:20:37 | prpplague | MicroChip32: andersee is suppose to finish cpp support sometime in the near future |
| 20:20:51 | MicroChip32 | same question, is that the libc for this platform ? |
| 20:20:54 | GoRK | if you pay him for it, he'll finish it in the immediate future :) |
| 20:21:01 | MicroChip32 | lol GoRK |
| 20:21:07 | GoRK | it's the libc we are working with. you could use glibc if you wanted and get c++ |
| 20:21:24 | GoRK | uclibc's libm is also heavily broken on arm |
| 20:21:37 | MicroChip32 | WOOHOO! Interception and TD for Detroit! |
| 20:21:46 | MicroChip32 | (dont mind me <G>) |
| 20:21:54 | Hiraghm | who they playing? |
| 20:22:04 | MicroChip32 | 49ers |
| 20:22:12 | Hiraghm | Oh, go Lions. |
| 20:23:12 | MicroChip32 | GoRK, nope, actually i was basicly wondering how hard it would me for me to go thru this stuff from blob up and learn whats going on. i can handle the technology part, but im weak in c. if no oop stuff i can prolly figger out the coding tho |
| 20:23:39 | MicroChip32 | c is pretty much the only language im not comfortable with |
| 20:24:28 | Hiraghm | heh. C's about the only thing I *am* comfortable with |
| 20:24:30 | GoRK | whoot i am now using a 5v network card :) |
| 20:24:33 | Hiraghm | sometimes dreams in C |
| 20:24:39 | GoRK | almost |
| 20:24:49 | MicroChip32 | dreams in perl |
| 20:24:52 | Hiraghm | 5v network card? |
| 20:25:20 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: pcmcia |
| 20:25:32 | MicroChip32 | the tux only uses 3.3v cards normally |
| 20:26:23 | Hiraghm | hm. new ICQ is out. |
| 20:26:40 | Hiraghm | Ohh. that could be a problem 8c( |
| 20:26:48 | collord | anyone used a zoomair 4100 802.11b card in a pcmcia-only slot? voltage? |
| 20:26:54 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: another aol spoiled icq ? |
| 20:27:00 | Hiraghm | ? |
| 20:27:20 | Hiraghm | NeHe mentioned in his news section that the new ICQ is out. I have ICQ but I never run it. |
| 20:27:47 | Hiraghm | though ICQ or IM might be nice to run on a Tuxscreen... <ponders> |
| 20:27:48 | MicroChip32 | hehe i used to live on icq, not any more since aol screwed with it and filled it with ads |
| 20:28:00 | Hiraghm | oh. didn't know that (cause like I said I never run it) |
| 20:28:18 | MicroChip32 | yea, its adware now, unless you hack it |
| 20:31:03 | MicroChip32 | where's the latest info on blob, user level and coder level (cvs?) |
| 20:32:07 | Hiraghm | MicroChip, you going to go for the conversion now? |
| 20:32:59 | MicroChip32 | just gonna start getting stuff to look at it and explore first |
| 20:33:19 | MicroChip32 | wont be converting for a few days at least probably |
| 20:33:48 | Hiraghm | yeah. wise to be patient |
| 20:34:14 | Hiraghm | oops |
| 20:34:17 | MicroChip32 | hehe experience, ive screwed up irreplaceable stuff before ;) |
| 20:34:29 | Hiraghm | me too. |
| 20:35:09 | Hiraghm | My last project was to install mandrake 7 on a compaq 305 subnotebook. The idiots put the restore files (like 600 meg worth) on the D: partition |
| 20:35:33 | Hiraghm | Fortunately I'd backed the whole thing up to CDs before installing linux. |
| 20:35:53 | Hiraghm | Then, about a year later, I'd forgotten about the 2nd partition, and thought I'd trashed the machine when I unistalled linux. |
| 20:36:36 | MicroChip32 | nice, but at least you didnt physically trash it. ive made hardware unusable doing "upgrades" incorrectly (not pc stuff) |
| 20:36:43 | Hiraghm | rather I'd forgotten that the information had been on a 2nd partition. |
| 20:37:38 | Hiraghm | My current project is putting KDE on my O2, but that scares me even more. |
| 20:40:24 | Hiraghm | (I tried once already and got a messed up screen) |
| 20:40:50 | MicroChip32 | fun |
| 20:44:28 | Hiraghm | Since that unnerves me so much, you can imagine why I got nervous at the idea of soldering wires 8c) |
| 20:45:34 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 20:57:53 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 21:02:32 | SteveD | hi |
| 21:09:41 | MicroChip32 | Detroit FG. 10-0 detroit ... sweeeeet |
| 21:23:41 | SteveD | 's trying to get the 32M blob/kernel to boot. |
| 21:24:06 | SteveD | sodimm's in, blob's in and works (phew), but linux won't boot |
| 21:25:12 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 21:25:13 | Hiraghm | oh |
| 21:25:27 | Hiraghm | 32m? |
| 21:26:09 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: how much memory does blob see? |
| 21:26:14 | SteveD | support for a larger memory dimm - 32M rather than the standard 8M. SpaceCoaster's done some initial support. |
| 21:26:36 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: how do I find out? |
| 21:26:49 | SpaceCoaster | when it boots, it should display... |
| 21:26:51 | SteveD | don't see a command in help |
| 21:27:02 | SteveD | don't see the initial boot messages for some reason. |
| 21:27:06 | SpaceCoaster | 0x01000000 @ 0xD0000000 (16 MB) |
| 21:27:06 | SpaceCoaster | 0x01000000 @ 0xD8000000 (16 MB) |
| 21:27:21 | SpaceCoaster | that's from blob on the serial port |
| 21:27:33 | SpaceCoaster | what is your serial port speed? |
| 21:29:36 | SteveD | 15200. first thing displayed is "Starting kernel", if I hit enter I got a blob? prompt |
| 21:30:46 | SpaceCoaster | try resetting it, using the reset button on the back of the TuxScreen |
| 21:35:00 | SteveD | hmm - somethings weird with the blob. bootings flakey - don't see the banner, takes several resets and hammering the enter to get to the blob> prompt |
| 21:37:00 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: sounds like something else is playing with the serial port |
| 21:37:33 | SteveD | which side? |
| 21:38:21 | SpaceCoaster | Not the tuxscreen side, the other side, you don't have a getty running? |
| 21:38:50 | SteveD | nope |
| 21:40:10 | Hiraghm | Why hasn't anyone developed a Linux-based console game system yet? (yeah, I know, way off-topic) |
| 21:40:22 | SpaceCoaster | StevdD: at the blob prompt type reboot |
| 21:41:44 | SteveD | that did the trick. sees 16M @ D0000000, 16M @ D80000000 |
| 21:42:52 | SpaceCoaster | cool, it's the right blob |
| 21:43:12 | SteveD | I've made a "make clean" etc kernel |
| 21:43:21 | SteveD | hmm - different md5sum from the one I put on |
| 21:43:30 | SteveD | give me a min to download that |
| 21:44:09 | SpaceCoaster | the kernel is gzipped, gzip files have a time stamp in bytes 4..8 |
| 21:44:23 | Hiraghm | So to install Linux on the Tuxscreen, you have to have another machine running Linux? |
| 21:45:11 | Hiraghm | (just confirming that) |
| 21:46:44 | SteveD | hiraghm: unless you get the blob boot loader on using jtag |
| 21:46:59 | SteveD | spacecoaster: just boot, or do I need args? |
| 21:47:07 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: just boot |
| 21:47:19 | SteveD | and up it comes :-)))) |
| 21:47:31 | SteveD | some botch on my part with the kernel. |
| 21:47:56 | SpaceCoaster | cool, you and I are the only two on the planet with 32MB TuxScreens running Linux, congrats |
| 21:47:57 | MicroChip32 | SteveD: cant install it from a winbox ? |
| 21:48:00 | SteveD | screen contrast poorer with this kernel than the one I had with the wheaties3 patch |
| 21:48:09 | Hiraghm | Steve, I'll just re-install Linux on my laptop (or could I install Linux on the Tuxscreen from Irix?) |
| 21:48:21 | Hiraghm | Tuxscreen runs Debian, right? |
| 21:48:33 | SteveD | Infernoremote process from windows didn't work for me. nor for a couple of other people |
| 21:49:13 | MicroChip32 | SteveD: hmmmm ive had remote working from windows no problem, i presume it was the transfer part that failed ? |
| 21:49:29 | MicroChip32 | oh fart, 49ers made another td =( |
| 21:49:30 | SteveD | uchip: yep - sending the boot loader over |
| 21:49:47 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: linux sees the memory :-)) |
| 21:49:50 | MicroChip32 | ahh k. guess i'll have to get it set up on my server box then |
| 21:49:52 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: the default parameters are in ucb1200_ts.c what values do you have for default_brightness and default_contrast? |
| 21:50:06 | Hiraghm | what is it uchip... 10-14 now? |
| 21:50:41 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: SteveD the CAS/RAS refresh values haven't been modified but I haven't seen any problems |
| 21:51:52 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm yep |
| 21:53:05 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: just gonna send you the HC can't find the other chip, turned the house upside down looking for it. Do I need to put your name on it or just Mr MicroChip32? |
| 21:53:30 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster the HC is the same as youre using right ? |
| 21:53:39 | MicroChip32 | and no name necessary, or just put microchip |
| 21:53:40 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: ?? in the 16m kernel I have def_brightness = 2 def_contrast=0x1F, 32M kernel doesn't seem to have them at all? |
| 21:53:46 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: correct and it's a DIP not SMT |
| 21:53:53 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: kewl |
| 21:54:06 | Hiraghm | HC? |
| 21:54:17 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: chip type |
| 21:54:23 | Hiraghm | hokay |
| 21:54:27 | Hiraghm | shrugs |
| 21:54:30 | MicroChip32 | hehehe |
| 21:54:48 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: us electronics type always talk in ackronyms ;) |
| 21:55:02 | Hiraghm | hokay |
| 21:55:04 | Hiraghm | grins |
| 21:55:33 | Hiraghm | So the Tuxscreen will take an ordinary 32m simm? |
| 21:55:39 | Hiraghm | ack.. 32mb |
| 21:55:51 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: no its a sodimm, like what pda's take |
| 21:55:59 | Hiraghm | oh. |
| 21:56:12 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: I thought the patch you posted included the "-tux1" stuff? It doesn't have the brightness/contrast ioctl's etc? |
| 21:56:16 | other | so blob works now? |
| 21:56:20 | other | with 32M |
| 21:56:38 | other | +kernel of course |
| 21:56:46 | Hiraghm | peers at <other> |
| 21:57:16 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: is it the kernel or blob that is modifyied to handle the 32m setup ? |
| 21:57:18 | prpplague | other: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//DerekMulcahy |
| 21:57:20 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: no, it didn't include tux1 at all, that is the problem, you need tux1, what is your kernel version |
| 21:57:32 | SteveD | Hiraghm: suitable sodimm cost me UK£ 36 from Crucial.co.uk. Doubtless you yanks get a much better deal |
| 21:57:33 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: both |
| 21:57:47 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: you are in a maze of twisty patches, all different |
| 21:57:57 | other | peers at everyone |
| 21:58:08 | prpplague | SteveD: lol, i always get a kick out of you guys calling us yanks |
| 21:58:09 | SteveD | I have -rmk2-np1-tux1 and then your 32M patch. But not wheaties3 |
| 21:58:09 | other | just because im out of the loop. |
| 21:58:26 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: specially as I'm a brit |
| 21:58:26 | Hiraghm | that's about 50 bucks. not a bad price. |
| 21:58:33 | MicroChip32 | other, just hang out and listen, you'll get the idea ;) |
| 21:58:36 | Hiraghm | is *not* a yank. |
| 21:58:44 | other | i hang out on 4 irc networks |
| 21:58:46 | other | its hard :) |
| 21:58:51 | cory | other.. |
| 21:58:55 | cory | do I know you from slashnet? |
| 21:58:58 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: living in the US? I'm a South African living in the UK. go figger |
| 21:58:59 | other | cory: EEK |
| 21:59:05 | Hiraghm | I haven't done IRC in almost 2 years. |
| 21:59:09 | other | cory: possibly. |
| 21:59:12 | cory | other: do you know err? |
| 21:59:16 | other | i am err. |
| 21:59:21 | cory | aha ;) |
| 21:59:24 | cory | then I know you from #ti too |
| 21:59:27 | SteveD | you have entered the surreal zone |
| 21:59:28 | other | well on efnet i'm now O_other |
| 21:59:36 | Hiraghm | plays the Twilight Zone theme |
| 21:59:42 | other | cory: now im scared. |
| 21:59:45 | MicroChip32 | hides under the couch |
| 21:59:49 | other | meeting the same person on 3 different networks |
| 22:00:10 | cory | I'm cubic |
| 22:00:13 | cory | remember now? |
| 22:00:17 | other | yes |
| 22:00:19 | Hiraghm | hey, wait.. if the Tuxscreen is touchscreen... no mouse. |
| 22:00:21 | cory | hehe, ok |
| 22:00:21 | other | i was pretty sure of that already |
| 22:00:27 | Hiraghm | gets hooked on a dilemma |
| 22:00:34 | cory | I just hang at 2 networks |
| 22:00:44 | prpplague | SteveD: do we get to call you guys limie's? or does that only apply to the navy guys? |
| 22:00:44 | other | im on efnet, slashnet, opn, and anynet |
| 22:00:50 | cory | opn/efnet |
| 22:00:53 | Hiraghm | I wonder if you could hook a Stinger serial joystick up to it?? |
| 22:01:18 | Hiraghm | to the Tuxscreen I mean |
| 22:01:28 | prpplague | Hiraghm: there is a project on handhelds.org for that, whatever they do should be portable to tuxscreen |
| 22:01:47 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: should only need a driver |
| 22:01:56 | other | are the RTS/CTS lines doing anything yet? |
| 22:02:03 | other | or am i going to have to do that myself |
| 22:02:04 | other | :) |
| 22:02:14 | Hiraghm | Well, I've got all the dev info for the stinger; got it awhile ago in order to write a driver for the O2. |
| 22:02:27 | MicroChip32 | other: up to you. we were talking earlier about turning them into a 2nd serial port |
| 22:02:39 | Hiraghm | remembers that device drivers for *nix seemed complicated, last he checked. |
| 22:02:41 | other | well |
| 22:02:58 | other | i really wanna use my firecracker on this thing :) |
| 22:03:13 | MicroChip32 | lol other, you too eh? |
| 22:03:23 | prpplague | Hiraghm: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HardwareProjects |
| 22:03:40 | other | linux device drivers aren't that bad at all |
| 22:04:03 | Hiraghm | Firecracker... small explosive device or Amiga video card? |
| 22:04:04 | MicroChip32 | other: you should talk to, ummm, i think its Tangent thats running a whole office-control system from his tux |
| 22:04:23 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: firecracker is a small x10 home control interface |
| 22:04:23 | other | eek |
| 22:04:27 | other | i just want it next to my bed |
| 22:04:31 | other | so in the morning/night |
| 22:04:37 | other | i can tap the screen to shut junk off |
| 22:04:38 | other | :) |
| 22:04:49 | MicroChip32 | other: sounds cool |
| 22:05:06 | other | that and so i can irc from bed |
| 22:05:07 | other | :) |
| 22:05:19 | MicroChip32 | i think there's gonna be a whole crapload of "geek" stuff made for this :) |
| 22:05:23 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: who you rooting for the diamond backs or the YANKEES :-) |
| 22:05:51 | cory | haha |
| 22:05:55 | cory | how 'bout them yankees |
| 22:06:00 | Hiraghm | oooh.. thanks prplague! That's very good to know about. |
| 22:06:03 | MicroChip32 | hehehehehe hmmmm, anyone ever played with customized smart-cards? |
| 22:06:38 | Hiraghm | does not root for damnyankees |
| 22:06:41 | MicroChip32 | you could put a smart-card reader in this thing and use em to store messages custom for each user and such |
| 22:12:03 | TrbleClef | MicroChip32: i've got a smartworld chip on a card |
| 22:14:48 | MicroChip32 | TrbleClef is that an iso7816 type ? |
| 22:16:27 | TrbleClef | hell if i know |
| 22:16:29 | TrbleClef | :/ |
| 22:16:38 | TrbleClef | I think it's proprietary |
| 22:19:34 | Hiraghm | I think I'm going to be sick |
| 22:20:10 | Hiraghm | someone just sold Lightwave 7 on ebay for 399. I was planning on buying it for 2500 next week. |
| 22:20:34 | TrbleClef | ouch |
| 22:21:11 | Hiraghm | 3DS Max 4 was on there for 399 too. I could have had both for 1/6th the price of LW. |
| 22:21:12 | Hiraghm | cries |
| 22:22:24 | Hiraghm | So, steve... is the Tuxscreen working for you now? |
| 22:25:23 | Hiraghm | I was just asking. |
| 22:27:27 | MicroChip32 | TrbleClef: what is that card used for, im not familiar with smartworld |
| 22:32:29 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: i'm a real geek and don't geek into sports much, but i like the diamondbacks because they're the underdogs |
| 22:32:37 | TrbleClef | MicroChip32: college ID |
| 22:32:44 | TrbleClef | the chip part is used to store cash value |
| 22:32:48 | TrbleClef | for vending machine, laundry, etc |
| 22:33:44 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 22:33:50 | prpplague | Hiraghm: np on the link, i like to help when i can |
| 22:33:56 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 22:34:21 | Hiraghm | heh. I put the project off because I had so gawdawful much on my plate... then forgot about it. |
| 22:34:29 | MicroChip32 | TrbleClef: yep bet its iso7816 type, most are. just different programming on the card. i believe even the 'smart' credit cards are 7816 type |
| 22:35:05 | TrbleClef | MicroChip32: cool |
| 22:35:11 | MicroChip32 | you can get them blank tho and put your own programming on them, or get memory versions which are just memory, no processor |
| 22:35:35 | TrbleClef | hm |
| 22:35:40 | TrbleClef | http://www.fsucard.fsu.edu |
| 22:35:43 | TrbleClef | that's a picture of it |
| 22:35:50 | TrbleClef | (Theres one on the site) |
| 22:37:27 | MicroChip32 | that url redirects to another url which my firewall chokes on |
| 22:37:38 | TrbleClef | oh |
| 22:37:42 | TrbleClef | yea |
| 22:37:45 | TrbleClef | bservices.fsu.edu port 130 |
| 22:37:49 | TrbleClef | hell if i know why it's 130 |
| 22:38:12 | MicroChip32 | yep, my firewall chokes on that url, and i dont ~think~ its the port unless they're trying something funny with it |
| 22:38:59 | TrbleClef | actually |
| 22:39:01 | TrbleClef | it appears to be down |
| 22:39:07 | TrbleClef | cause i'm on the fsu network and i cant connect to it |
| 22:39:15 | TrbleClef | cute |
| 22:39:20 | MicroChip32 | that would explain it ;) |
| 22:47:31 | Hiraghm | MicroChip, I've been asked to find out if the machine, as-is, has a phone book application where you can just touch the person's name and it dials out? |
| 22:47:57 | Hiraghm | (personally I don't care ouch but I've been told to ask) |
| 22:48:03 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: yes, a pretty good one actually |
| 22:48:10 | Hiraghm | Hi GoRK |
| 22:48:17 | scanline | hi GoRK |
| 22:48:34 | GoRK | hey. guess i just got bumped or something |
| 22:48:47 | MicroChip32 | Hiraghm: caller id log also where you can tap a missed call to call em back |
| 22:49:01 | Hiraghm | Nifty nifty |
| 22:49:10 | GoRK | scanline: hey i am fiddling with this shanip2 circut... seems C5 can come out |
| 22:49:20 | Hiraghm | But no version of nethack? |
| 22:49:44 | Hiraghm | It's *gotta* have nethack. |
| 22:49:50 | Hiraghm | nods solemnly |
| 22:49:53 | MicroChip32 | dunno what that is, but doesnt sound like anything on the tux |
| 22:50:10 | Hiraghm | lol.. it's linux game |
| 22:50:12 | scanline | Hiraghm: I'm sure if you installed Linux you could play nethack |
| 22:50:27 | GoRK | but leaving it in seems to eliminate an annoying pop when the audio starts |
| 22:50:31 | Hiraghm | on the Tuxscreen? really? cool. |
| 22:50:40 | scanline | GoRK: Yeah, that's what i noticed |
| 22:50:55 | scanline | GoRK: Also, C5 is important when you want to attach headphones |
| 22:50:58 | Hiraghm | Actually, I'm all excited about the multiplayer game possibilities. |
| 22:51:22 | Hiraghm | No... no Doom or Everquest. |
| 22:51:28 | GoRK | scanline: anyway i am having hell with these resistor values.. no matter what i do the audio is too quiet or distorted or i affect the headphone audio |
| 22:51:30 | scanline | GoRK: If you attach headphones to the - side of C5, they won't have that annoying DC component, and there will be enough power to drive them |
| 22:51:34 | GoRK | err not headphone .. handset |
| 22:52:07 | scanline | GoRK: Hmm. I noticed that the resistors became far less picky when we switched to the op-amp output |
| 22:52:26 | Hiraghm | I was thinking of stuff like play-by-mail chess type games. As well as multiplayer platformers and isometrics. |
| 22:52:36 | GoRK | scanline: oh whoops do i need to solder onto a different pin of the mongoose connector? |
| 22:52:39 | Hiraghm | OOOH... multiplayer M.U.L.E. |
| 22:52:41 | Hiraghm | drools some |
| 22:52:43 | GoRK | scanline: hahaha yeah i see i do |
| 22:52:53 | scanline | GoRK: Yeah, it's a via on the board |
| 22:52:58 | GoRK | scanline: doh! doh doh |
| 22:53:01 | GoRK | doh |
| 22:53:02 | scanline | that would explain the problem! |
| 22:53:11 | GoRK | yeah i bet this is all good then |
| 22:53:16 | GoRK | i need to go back to the garage |
| 22:53:24 | scanline | If you hook up to the op-amp, i've been happy with R5=8.2k and R6=2.2k |
| 22:53:38 | scanline | (GPSFan needs to fix R6 on the schematic...) |
| 22:54:03 | GoRK | yes ok ... i almost had values that worked with the stupid pin 8 |
| 22:54:15 | GoRK | haha well lets go use the op amp |
| 22:54:21 | GoRK | is there a diagram of where it is? |
| 22:54:23 | scanline | Yeah, it works _much_ better |
| 22:54:25 | scanline | just a sec... |
| 22:55:00 | scanline | GoRK: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/emain66by.jpg |
| 22:55:19 | scanline | The 100k resistor connects to that red-circled pad |
| 22:55:33 | SpaceCoaster | scanline that url is a 404 |
| 22:55:46 | GoRK | no it's not |
| 22:55:54 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: works for me |
| 22:56:12 | SpaceCoaster | hmm |
| 22:56:24 | GoRK | scanline: i may be able to get rid of c7 though... let me play with this some :) |
| 22:56:49 | GoRK | brb soldering more |
| 22:56:59 | scanline | GoRK: I dunno... I asked GPSFan, he said they were both important |
| 22:57:04 | SpaceCoaster | weird tuxscreen.net takes me to codepoet.org? |
| 22:58:04 | GoRK | he told me that he thought c5 could go.. he just needs to get his work done so he can have a working phone :) |
| 22:58:10 | GoRK | he should have gotten two |
| 22:58:20 | scanline | yeah |
| 22:58:28 | GoRK | anyway bbiab |
| 22:58:43 | GoRK | his 5v trick works great for these trendnet cards |
| 22:59:01 | GoRK | the ones that have the new design.. it looks much better in the phone now |
| 22:59:39 | Hiraghm | hm. I've a linksys ethernet pccard. doesn't say if it's 5v or 3.3v or 27.842v |
| 23:00:00 | scanline | 27.842! wow :) |
| 23:02:33 | scanline | bbiab, gonna get some grub |
| 23:02:35 | scanline | is away: food |
| 23:06:05 | Hiraghm | heh. Oh well, if I can get a 3.3v ethernet card, it's worth the expense. |
| 23:13:19 | boris | what wiki software is used on tuxscreen.net |
| 23:15:12 | Hiraghm | Hi |
| 23:15:36 | GoRK | ok we'll see how this works |
| 23:17:21 | MicroChip32 | scans the horizon for a fireball from GoRK |
| 23:17:35 | GoRK | ahh yes much better |
| 23:17:48 | SteveD | Hiraghm: looking for me? |
| 23:18:22 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: I'd missed the linux-2.4.7.touchscreen.patch - that's why my 32M kernel doesn't set brightness right |
| 23:19:16 | SteveD | Question: do I want the lpp patch - doesn't this hide the "normal" boot messages with some other thing? |
| 23:19:35 | Hiraghm | huh? not really... was just wondering if your Tuxscreen was now working |
| 23:19:43 | Hiraghm | cripes I wish I could get one before wednesday 8c( |
| 23:20:07 | SteveD | Hiraghm: yep - all booted and now with twice the free RAM :-)) |
| 23:21:18 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: will the 0xd0000000 load address become std with newer kernels? Its compatible with both 8m and 32m sodimm setups, isn't it? |
| 23:21:58 | GoRK | ahh yes perfect |
| 23:22:18 | GoRK | SteveD: it's compatible if you want to give up half of your ram :) |
| 23:22:39 | GoRK | in your setup the 8mb onboard isn't even functional |
| 23:23:21 | GPSFan | GoRK: what did removing C5 do? any differences? |
| 23:23:35 | GoRK | GPSFan: pops when audio starts/stops |
| 23:23:55 | GPSFan | :>( well I guess it stays then. |
| 23:23:57 | GoRK | GPSFan: it works though.. maybe we can replace it with a smaller/cheaper cap? |
| 23:24:30 | GPSFan | GoRK: If you have one try a 1uF non-polarized. |
| 23:24:56 | GPSFan | GoRK: you might lose some low-end though. |
| 23:25:18 | SteveD | GoRK: 32M beats 16M so there. But I would like 40. But my understanding of memory management on ARMs dates from the ARM2 and MEMC. So I expect I'm dependent on the gurus |
| 23:25:18 | GoRK | i dont have one |
| 23:25:27 | GPSFan | k |
| 23:25:32 | GoRK | well i might somewhere |
| 23:25:48 | GoRK | i think i have a bag o caps |
| 23:25:54 | GoRK | anyway i am gonna go get some food.. bbiab |
| 23:26:07 | GPSFan | happy munching... |
| 23:27:09 | Hiraghm | lurks in the shadows to pounce on Tim Riker if he ever shows up |
| 23:28:10 | GoRK | GPSFan: dont forget to change r6 on your schematic to 2.2K ... in case you didnt see scanline's message |
| 23:28:30 | GPSFan | GoRK: done, check the new schematics update. |
| 23:30:08 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: no, it wont be standard, it was just an experiment which has positive results until the proper solution |
| 23:30:57 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: well - I won't throw away my 8M DIMM then... |
| 23:31:40 | SpaceCoaster | well, you can because that won't work with the 32m in, it's the onboard 8m that we are going to use |
| 23:32:26 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: I've been seeing the discussion of where the ram falls in the memory map - with all the lower addresses fragmented |
| 23:33:01 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: did you see that in linux-arm-kernel? |
| 23:33:24 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: just building a final kernel and that's enough recklessness for tonight. so far no jtag (but doubt my luck will hold...) |
| 23:33:57 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: kernels are fine, it's blob that is risky |
| 23:34:36 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: yep - as long as you can get to blob> you are ok... |
| 23:35:19 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: thanks for trying it |
| 23:36:08 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: looked at it this way - if its toast I get to build the jtag |
| 23:36:47 | SpaceCoaster | the jtag is worth doing then you can reset without reaching around the back |
| 23:37:33 | Hiraghm | disagrees with SpaceCoaster vehemently |
| 23:37:53 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: using the jtag what all does it take to reload the blob ? |
| 23:37:58 | SteveD | I will build one, don't think it'll be neat smd though. My usual stile is plan perfboard and messy wiring underneath... |
| 23:38:12 | SteveD | s/stile/style/ - don't mean a wooden thing for getting over fences |
| 23:38:46 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: flash < tuxscreen-blob |
| 23:39:15 | scanline | is back (gone 00:36:40) |
| 23:39:28 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: whats that? a command from the remote thing ? |
| 23:40:05 | SpaceCoaster | http://tuxscreen.net/download/jflash.tgz |
| 23:40:20 | SteveD | I used dd if=... of=/dev/mtdblock0 - of course if you make a mistake then you are sunk, so I'd really prefer a blob that is configurable for memory size and image location |
| 23:40:31 | SpaceCoaster | The linux programs that talk to the jtag. |
| 23:41:01 | Hiraghm | Hm. if you had two Tuxscreens in the house, they should be able to communicate. |
| 23:41:28 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: ok. cuz i was wondering if it might be possible to make an automated jtag loader, aka push a button and it auto-loads the blob w/o any further user interaction |
| 23:41:54 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: yeah, it will come, we should be able to have one blob and one kernel, probably loading at the 2MB at 0xc03000000 |
| 23:51:22 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: added the touchscreen patch - bright screen, more memory - good time to stop for the night. Thanks for the original hack and your help |
| 23:51:35 | SteveD | tomorrow - why the tuxphone daemon doesn't work for me... |
| 23:51:46 | SpaceCoaster | np |
| 23:52:23 | SteveD | pesky "dma period" debug is back. ah well - that's tomorrow too. |
| 23:52:56 | SteveD | is AWAY at 00:55:37 : Zzzz |
| 23:55:17 | bhima | wonders if anybody's awake and can tell him why his ioctls aren't doing anthing... |
| 23:55:59 | Hiraghm | is awake and can't |
| 23:57:18 | bhima | good morning :) |
| 23:57:37 | Tangent | is awake and remembers russ saying that he'd move them to other places soo because they didn't seem to work |
| 23:57:43 | Tangent | or conflicted or something like that |
| 23:58:14 | bhima | basically, I'm opening the ucb1200 driver and trying to change eh contrast on the display. |
| 23:59:12 | bhima | I can change other aspects of the touch screen driver. |
| 23:59:17 | bhima | like, I can recalibrate it. |
| 23:59:26 | bhima | but brightness/contrast changes are ignored. |
| 23:59:35 | bhima | the contrast on my screen is really horrible. |
| 23:59:37 | bhima | way, way too dark. |
| 23:59:58 | bhima | has anybody actually written an app that chnages contrast? |
