| 00:01:36 | scanline | is back (gone 00:38:27) |
| 00:22:29 | bhima | is about to do the 5v mod :) |
| 00:22:43 | bhima | anybody know if inferno supports WaveLAN cards? |
| 00:22:48 | BZFlag | no. |
| 00:23:00 | BZFlag | inferno (on the phones) does not support any pcmcia cards. |
| 00:24:07 | MicroChip32 | inferno is the 'os' that comes on it right ? |
| 00:24:29 | bhima | Hrm. I thought I'd read otherwise. ok. scratch that, then. |
| 00:24:43 | bhima | was just gonna play with inferno on one of them and linux on the other. |
| 00:24:58 | bhima | I'd read somebody else recompiling inferno and brining in plan9's wavelan drivers. |
| 00:26:09 | BZFlag | bhima: it's possible, but I don't know anyone that has done it. |
| 00:26:24 | bhima | microchip: yeah. it's an interesting OS. everything is a file. /proc on steroids :) |
| 00:27:03 | MicroChip32 | bhima: cool, so whats it take to load linux instead, or switch back to inferno ? |
| 00:27:16 | MicroChip32 | im about 2 hours from having a unit to play with ;) |
| 00:27:23 | MicroChip32 | i wanna be able to jump in feet first ;) |
| 00:27:39 | bhima | you need to flashit with a new bootloader. |
| 00:27:54 | bhima | need 12v power to unlock the flash so that it lets you do that. |
| 00:27:55 | bhima | RTFM on the wiki :) |
| 00:28:28 | bhima | If I skip the diode and use a jumper wire instead of a switch, will I get 5v only PCMCIA? |
| 00:28:47 | MicroChip32 | bhima: im still trying to figure out the wiki |
| 00:29:21 | bhima | microchip: what is there to figure out? just click everywhere :) |
| 00:30:17 | MicroChip32 | hehehe sure, but im on a dialup, a slow on |
| 00:30:25 | MicroChip32 | s/$/e/ |
| 00:31:01 | bhima | well, you suck :P |
| 00:32:57 | MicroChip32 | hehehe not me, but my isp sure does |
| 00:33:55 | bhima | but you should use a real 'net connection! :P |
| 00:35:27 | MicroChip32 | that'd be nice, unfortunately there isnt such a thing out here in the boonies |
| 00:37:05 | bhima | well, see, you need to move. |
| 00:37:24 | MicroChip32 | sure, got a place with free rent? |
| 00:37:43 | bhima | well, you could probably live in the bushes under that bridge. |
| 00:38:12 | MicroChip32 | no power for the pc :) |
| 00:38:17 | bhima | and you'd even be able to get wavelan. |
| 00:40:51 | AlHaz | used to know a guy who spent his winters as a bum |
| 00:40:53 | AlHaz | literally |
| 00:41:04 | AlHaz | in a condemned building in a bad part of NYC |
| 00:41:33 | AlHaz | he wasn't all there . . . |
| 00:41:42 | bhima | doesn't sound like it. |
| 00:41:48 | other | wouldn't that be.. cold? |
| 00:41:49 | AlHaz | but he had a decent dialup, courtesey of Conair Corp |
| 00:42:14 | AlHaz | other: Not with enough raw materials and a good staple gun |
| 00:42:32 | other | haha |
| 00:42:42 | bhima | anybody know the answer to my 5v mod quesiton? |
| 00:43:02 | AlHaz | they got power & phone by hooking directly into the grid down a manhole cover |
| 00:43:10 | bhima | cool! :) |
| 00:43:25 | AlHaz | they were in such a bad part of town, with such bad infrastructure, that the utility corps never bothered to come out to see what was up |
| 00:43:34 | other | haha |
| 00:43:46 | AlHaz | 'course, he was lacking stuff like running water |
| 00:43:54 | AlHaz | guy had the funkiest dreadlocks I've ever seen |
| 00:44:14 | AlHaz | he doused his head once a month w/ turpentine. ugh. |
| 00:44:34 | MicroChip32 | should take care of bugs at least :) |
| 00:44:39 | AlHaz | yeah, that was the idea |
| 00:45:11 | AlHaz | so whenever I saw him, on rare occasions that he'd hitchhiked back to utah for a while, he smelt strongly of turpentine & patchuli oil |
| 00:45:40 | bhima | hrm. gotta go. |
| 00:45:42 | bhima | & |
| 00:45:44 | AlHaz | he'd go down south and pick cabbage during summers. Not what I'd call a life. |
| 00:47:19 | MicroChip32 | it takes all kinds |
| 00:54:20 | AlHaz | yup |
| 00:57:58 | GPSFan | bhima: stii there? |
| 00:58:10 | GPSFan | s/stii/still |
| 01:08:37 | andersee | GPSFan: howdy |
| 01:08:42 | andersee | making progress? |
| 01:09:42 | GPSFan | andersee: some, I've done some more work on the schematics, and figured out what may be done with J602. |
| 01:10:08 | andersee | J602? |
| 01:10:27 | GPSFan | The mystery connector that is not populated on the CPU board. |
| 01:10:43 | andersee | Ahh. |
| 01:10:51 | andersee | Does it have gpios or something? |
| 01:11:36 | GPSFan | it has an 8bit general purpose memory mapped I/O port, with interrupt. |
| 01:12:55 | GPSFan | one GPIO, but with A0-9, D0-7, nCS3, nOE, nWE, you could do a lot with it. |
| 01:14:46 | andersee | cool. You could hook up most any device with that then (and a lot of work) |
| 01:15:32 | GPSFan | all that's really missing from it is 3.3V. I think that may be the way to do 3-5V switching, and software reset. |
| 01:16:07 | andersee | Using the gpio from J602? |
| 01:16:45 | GPSFan | using an address decoder, a latch and a PCMCIA power switch. |
| 01:17:18 | GPSFan | the latch gets you 8 bits of programmable output. |
| 01:18:34 | GPSFan | the seitching can be done without any cuts on any board, but the software reset will require some surgery. |
| 01:18:49 | andersee | right. I've used latches before (I'm not all that good electronics, but I've at least taken a class as an undergrad) |
| 01:18:51 | GPSFan | s/seitching/switching |
| 01:19:59 | andersee | sounds cool. How ugly would the reset surgery be? |
| 01:20:46 | GPSFan | the question is is the software controlled switching neccessary? do folks really want or need it. the surgery would invilve cutting a trace, and connecting 2 wires to each end of the cut. |
| 01:21:14 | GPSFan | can't type tonight, need another beer. |
| 01:22:05 | GPSFan | BZFlag: is that your double, or just alter-ego? |
| 01:22:09 | andersee | GPSFan: cutting a trace and adding wires is tricky... |
| 01:22:38 | BZFlag | heh, me on another box here. having net trouble with my ISP |
| 01:23:44 | GoRK | greetings |
| 01:24:10 | andersee | good job GoRK, you scared GPSFan away... ;) |
| 01:24:28 | GoRK | i try |
| 01:33:32 | scanline | loves power tools |
| 01:34:21 | jacques | heh heh |
| 01:44:39 | GoRK | GPSFan: can you send me your expresspcb schematic for shanip2? I wanted to try adding some extra audio in's and outs and also mess with this program some... :) |
| 01:45:06 | GoRK | err not schematic but layout file |
| 01:45:11 | GoRK | you know what i mean :) |
| 01:45:25 | scanline | expresspcb... blah... |
| 01:45:37 | scanline | Does the new version let you use metric units? |
| 01:45:38 | GPSFan | GoRK: sure, I have several versions, I'll zip them up. |
| 01:45:48 | GoRK | gpsfan cool |
| 01:46:47 | GoRK | scanline: no but you could set your grid based on units converted from metric :) |
| 01:47:20 | scanline | that's what i had to do |
| 01:47:37 | scanline | I used ExpressPCB to make the board for the Kiwi (Dragonball SBC) |
| 01:48:06 | GoRK | when i was trying to remember their name from yesterday i found pcbexpress that has some decent pricing and quick turnarounds for multilayer boards |
| 01:50:09 | GPSFan | they do, but you have to provide your own CAD system, ok if you are doing a big complicated project. |
| 01:51:04 | GoRK | if you are needing a 4 layer board, you probably have to have your own system anyway :) |
| 01:52:10 | GPSFan | GoRK: where should I e-mail the stuff to? |
| 02:02:18 | scanline | is ready to reassemble Tux |
| 02:13:38 | scanline | woohoo |
| 02:13:56 | scanline | has a working shanip2 mod without breadboard, with headphone jack and volume knob |
| 02:15:06 | andersee | scanline: etched PCB? |
| 02:15:10 | scanline | nope |
| 02:15:14 | scanline | I built it on the comm board |
| 02:15:26 | scanline | I took some pictures |
| 02:15:37 | andersee | cool |
| 02:15:43 | andersee | I wanna see. :) |
| 02:15:55 | scanline | ok. Lemme hook up my CF adaptor... |
| 02:34:21 | scanline | andersee: Ok, got em. I had to install the software for my CF reader |
| 02:34:43 | scanline | should i put them on tuxscreen.net? |
| 02:36:14 | BZFlag | scanline: sure |
| 02:36:21 | scanline | ok |
| 02:37:27 | scanline | http://tuxscreen.net/download/shanip2-pictures/ |
| 02:37:40 | scanline | oops, need to fix permissions... |
| 02:39:17 | jacques | :-( |
| 02:39:17 | scanline | should work now |
| 02:39:17 | jacques | yep |
| 02:40:31 | Russ | hmm...still tracking down elusive remount problem |
| 02:40:32 | BZFlag | crazy, man. crazy. |
| 02:40:39 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:40:43 | scanline | it works great |
| 02:40:55 | BZFlag | you going to try the 5v hack andersee did? |
| 02:40:55 | GPSFan | scanline: you are the Red Green of electrical tape. ;>) |
| 02:40:56 | scanline | the ucb1200 has plenty of power to drive my good headphones |
| 02:41:13 | scanline | BZFlag: I would, but i have no 5v PCMCIA cards |
| 02:41:29 | BZFlag | doesn't the ucb1200 have a mixer too? |
| 02:41:34 | scanline | GPSFan: Haha. Usually it's duct tape, but i was afraid it would tend to rip parts off the comm board |
| 02:41:51 | GPSFan | rofl |
| 02:43:31 | GPSFan | scanline: if you need higher output we could use the other output of the UCB1200 which isn't connected anymore. it should drive a small speaker, or a lousy pair of headphones. |
| 02:44:01 | scanline | GPSFan: I have these big heavy Koss headphones and the single output is fine |
| 02:44:45 | jacques | hey, I have that same breadboard |
| 02:44:46 | scanline | I hooked the headphones up to the - side of C5 and ground, with a 10k pot in series |
| 02:44:54 | GPSFan | scanline: what dose it sound like now that it's all put together? |
| 02:45:27 | scanline | GPSFan: I haven't done extensive testing, since I need to make some desk space to get it hooked up. I did listen to some shoutcast streams on my headphones though |
| 02:45:38 | scanline | puts away soldering iron and dremel |
| 02:46:14 | Tangent | Evening all... |
| 02:46:49 | Tangent | Any new hacks today? |
| 02:47:40 | scanline | thinks we need the hack-of-the-day club |
| 02:48:12 | GPSFan | Tangent: early in the am, andersee did my simplified 5V PCMCIA mod, seems to work. |
| 02:48:38 | AlHaz | GPSFan: The original hack was doing something to a reset pin on the pcmcia slot, wasn't it? |
| 02:48:47 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yeah.. I saw the log from before my connection died... Good stuff |
| 02:49:07 | Tangent | GPSFan : Are there any other useful signals from the PCMCIA card that come out on that header on the IO board? |
| 02:50:28 | GPSFan | AlHaz: one might think so, but upon closer inspection the circuit was an emitter follower, so it really didn't do anything to the signal but buffer it. all the other control signals go through a 162245 (so does Reset). |
| 02:50:46 | GPSFan | so they were buffered already. |
| 02:51:10 | GPSFan | Tangent: which header? |
| 02:51:23 | Tangent | GPSFan : The one used on your hack... |
| 02:52:00 | GPSFan | Tangent: oh you mean J600/601? the main inter-board connection? |
| 02:52:32 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yep.. that's the one... for example, do the card voltage selection pins come through there? |
| 02:52:56 | AlHaz | GPSFan: So it didn't actually serve any useful purpose |
| 02:53:34 | GPSFan | Tangent: VCC for both cards comes out as well as VPP1 & VPP2 which are still tied to 3.3V. that's about all PCMCIA wise. |
| 02:54:10 | Tangent | GPSFan : Shame.. so any auto-voltage hack will have to be done on the bottom board (or PCMCIA connector) then :( |
| 02:54:29 | GPSFan | AlHaz: I would like to know why Lucent thought they needed it, but I couldn't figure out why it was there. |
| 02:54:53 | MicroChip32 | woohoo! got me a tux to play with ;) |
| 02:55:07 | GPSFan | Tangent: an auto switching hack would have to have connections to both boards unfortunately. |
| 02:55:17 | Tangent | GPSFan : It's possible it is needed for some cards... We haven't found any cards that seem to mind not getting a reset.. may be the same is true for power on reset too |
| 02:56:04 | GPSFan | Tangent: but the signal out of T1's emitter is the same as what goes in the base. |
| 02:56:25 | GPSFan | + VBE of course. |
| 02:57:01 | Tangent | GPSFan : So a +0.7V shift in the reset voltage level then ? |
| 02:58:03 | GPSFan | Tangent: individual transistor dependant and temperature etc.etc. butr yes about .6-.7V |
| 02:59:02 | Tangent | GPSFan : HFE come into play at all? |
| 02:59:51 | GPSFan | Tangent: nope, other than to multiply the impedance as seen looking in the base. |
| 02:59:54 | Russ | Tangent: bored? |
| 03:00:10 | Tangent | Russ : Have been all day.. ADSL was down when I woke up |
| 03:00:22 | Russ | can you tell me what this patch does? |
| 03:02:19 | BZFlag | Tangent: heh, my DSL is up, but my ISP is down. I can get to thier web server, but nobody else. |
| 03:02:33 | BZFlag | I'm on 802.11b from the neighbors now. ;-) |
| 03:03:11 | Russ | tim, maybe you too? |
| 03:03:12 | jacques | BZFlag: does your neighbor know? |
| 03:04:04 | Tangent | Guess they gave it one last reboot |
| 03:04:57 | Tangent | Russ : What's in the patch? |
| 03:06:00 | Russ | wheaties, ucb1x00 driver, the 32M option, and everything else that is different in 2.4.13-ac4-rmk1 |
| 03:06:13 | Russ | oh, and the backlight ioctl's are moved around |
| 03:06:14 | Tangent | Russ : Cool :) |
| 03:06:20 | Russ | but the point is, is that it hangs on remount |
| 03:06:38 | Tangent | Russ : Touchscreen stuff the same ? |
| 03:06:58 | Russ | no, new driver |
| 03:07:17 | Tangent | Russ : good.. good.. :) |
| 03:07:54 | scanline | enjoys streaming MP3s on his phone with no dangling wires or breadboards |
| 03:08:12 | Tangent | scanline : Is the shanip required for that? |
| 03:08:34 | scanline | Tangent: Yep. I just built the shanip2 on top of my Tux's comm board |
| 03:11:05 | Tangent | Russ : Patch isn't good for me... (using yesterday's buildroot kernel) |
| 03:11:35 | Russ | ? |
| 03:11:41 | Russ | what do you mean? |
| 03:12:13 | Tangent | Russ : Lots of stuff already exists... can't find file to patch at line 2211 etc |
| 03:12:36 | MicroChip32 | what type (voltage) pcmcia cards does the tux take w/o mods ? |
| 03:13:23 | Russ | Tangent: get a 2.4.13-ac4-rmk1 kernel |
| 03:13:33 | BZFlag | jacques: yes. I helped him get his mac onto dsl. qwest took a year working on it and never got it working. so he owes me anyway. |
| 03:14:50 | Tangent | Russ : OK.. working on it |
| 03:14:59 | jacques | BZFlag: heh, I figured he knew - was just teasing |
| 03:35:03 | Tangent | Russ : Kernel all patched up now :) |
| 03:37:21 | bhima | hrm. what should it do when I insert a PCMCIA card? Do I need to do anything explicitly to get, say, a 3C589 ethernet or a wavelan card to be a network interface? |
| 03:38:34 | Tangent | Russ : Is there a suitable .config for this new kernel, or shall I use my old one? |
| 03:39:22 | bhima | (it recognizes that the card's there. just did the 5v hack) |
| 03:41:00 | Russ | Tangent: use the old one, then do make oldconfig |
| 03:41:14 | Tangent | Russ : Done that... building as we speak |
| 03:47:58 | Tangent | Oooh.. it's cooked |
| 03:50:29 | Russ | uploading? |
| 03:53:38 | Tangent | uploaded... failed to work |
| 03:53:48 | Tangent | Didn't make it as far as 'uncompressing linux' |
| 03:53:54 | Tangent | Trying the upload again |
| 03:54:11 | Russ | did you accidentally turn on the 32M option? |
| 03:54:30 | Tangent | Russ : I did it on purpose.. was that bad of me? |
| 03:54:35 | Russ | yah |
| 03:54:46 | Russ | you only want that if you have a 32M SODIMM and a patched version of blob |
| 03:55:42 | Tangent | Nod.. OK.. rebuilding now |
| 04:02:38 | Tangent | uploading |
| 04:04:25 | Tangent | flashing |
| 04:04:41 | Tangent | Uncompressing Linux :) |
| 04:05:09 | Tangent | Hrm... last thing it said this time was... "..done, booting the kernel." |
| 04:05:33 | Russ | go back into blob, and do a command line |
| 04:06:48 | Tangent | I gave it root=/dev/mtdblock/2 init=/linuxrc... same thing happens |
| 04:07:18 | Russ | console=ttySA0,9600 |
| 04:07:56 | Tangent | Same thing again |
| 04:09:34 | Tangent | Ack.. HDD full now... |
| 04:09:45 | Tangent | I really gotta go to bed anyhow... It's 5:20Am here |
| 04:10:03 | Tangent | I'll deal with this in the morning (or early afternoon) |
| 04:10:54 | Tangent | goes to bed... night all |
| 06:10:10 | Omicron- | Hello there: |
| 06:10:19 | Omicron- | Is there anybody that can explain what the TuxScreen does? |
| 06:10:29 | Omicron- | I've been looking thru the website, and it looks pretty cool! |
| 06:11:38 | BZFlag | the web site is fairly comprehensive. |
| 06:12:15 | BZFlag | they come with Inferno which does ppp/web/pop3/callerid/speakerphone/etc but not pcmcia |
| 06:12:37 | BZFlag | Linux does pcmcia and has early support for the rest. |
| 06:14:48 | BZFlag | ssh ns1 |
| 06:14:52 | BZFlag | eep |
| 06:19:41 | Omicron- | COOL! |
| 06:19:48 | Omicron- | This device is REALLY neat looking! |
| 06:20:38 | BZFlag | heh. it's been fun, yeah. |
| 07:26:19 | GoRK | greetings |
| 07:26:22 | GoRK | i have return-ed |
| 07:26:38 | scanline | and all the other channel members watch GoRK return |
| 07:26:57 | GoRK | i am working on this pcb |
| 07:27:15 | scanline | cool |
| 07:27:29 | scanline | my electrical tape and solder solution is holding up fine :) |
| 07:27:36 | GoRK | i gotta check though and see if im right though |
| 07:27:54 | GoRK | scanline: my plan is to put pcb-mount jacks on this and use them to hold the pcb to the side of the phone :) |
| 07:27:59 | scanline | should work |
| 07:29:41 | GoRK | it's only about 1.5 sq. in right now |
| 07:29:47 | scanline | small |
| 07:30:11 | GoRK | yeah i optimized the layout... now im adding the audio pieces |
| 07:30:27 | scanline | ok |
| 07:30:54 | scanline | GoRK: The ExpressPCB software is still windows-only, right? |
| 07:31:24 | GoRK | yeah |
| 07:31:32 | scanline | wonders if it works in wine |
| 07:32:03 | GoRK | probably.. shouldnt be that complicated |
| 07:32:16 | scanline | I'd like to see this shanip2 design, plus i'm thinking about doing a PCB for another project |
| 07:32:20 | GoRK | the installer might not work |
| 07:32:30 | GoRK | i can make a quick pdf or something similar |
| 07:32:37 | scanline | well, it's worth a try... |
| 07:32:52 | GoRK | well i can send you the directory if you want |
| 07:33:03 | scanline | i think the installer will work |
| 07:33:05 | GoRK | whoops i dont think i got the file home from work... |
| 07:33:10 | scanline | i know wine usually runs installshield fine |
| 07:33:14 | GoRK | fires up the ol vpn |
| 07:34:14 | scanline | installer says it 'requires a different version of windows' |
| 07:34:31 | scanline | checks his wine settings |
| 07:36:17 | GoRK | hmm i must have forgot to log off at the office... my files did not get copied to the server.. hrm |
| 07:43:53 | cory | what vpn soft do you guys use? |
| 07:44:05 | GoRK | pppd + ssh |
| 07:44:17 | cory | ah, cool |
| 07:47:26 | GoRK | www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork2.jpg |
| 07:48:48 | scanline | nice and small |
| 07:48:56 | cory | ooh |
| 07:49:03 | cory | I wonder if I could get pppd + ssh to work with macosx |
| 07:49:08 | scanline | GoRK: This ExpressPCB installer is being a real pain |
| 07:49:24 | GoRK | you want a zipped version of the directory? |
| 07:49:25 | scanline | could you send me a tar or zip with the installed program? |
| 07:49:28 | scanline | :) |
| 07:49:41 | scanline | I'm hoping it'll work with wine |
| 07:50:04 | scanline | (i have win95 on this box, but I can never reboot the thing cause I run servers and ip masq on it) |
| 07:51:07 | GoRK | it is emailing to you now |
| 07:51:13 | scanline | thank |
| 07:51:22 | scanline | s/thank/thanks/ |
| 07:51:33 | scanline | GoRK: Does ExpressPCB do silkscreen now? |
| 07:51:38 | scanline | when I used them they didn't |
| 07:51:51 | GoRK | yes they can |
| 07:51:54 | GoRK | and solder mask |
| 07:51:59 | scanline | wowee! |
| 07:52:04 | scanline | mucho better |
| 07:52:11 | GoRK | it takes 10 days or an 'express' 4 day |
| 07:52:18 | scanline | ok |
| 07:54:50 | scanline | GoRK: I got 2 files, one's a little bigger |
| 07:55:08 | scanline | err... the ZIP is the same size |
| 07:55:13 | scanline | nm |
| 07:55:38 | GoRK | yeah.. sorry bout that |
| 07:55:58 | scanline | no problem, i just thought the ZIP files were different sizes... paranoia :) |
| 07:58:41 | GoRK | the pins on that pcb (in order from pin 1) are: [Mic input] [t/r out-] [mic gnd] [ai1+] [signal gnd] [spkr+] [t/r out+] |
| 07:59:15 | GoRK | i can post the .pcb file if you get the app running |
| 07:59:25 | scanline | I'm gathering DLLs it needs... |
| 07:59:46 | GoRK | if you need any it provided or something, let me know |
| 08:00:03 | scanline | i think these are all easily found on the 'net |
| 08:00:04 | GoRK | what value are you using for R11 on your circut? |
| 08:00:07 | scanline | it's a VB app :P |
| 08:00:27 | GoRK | looks at the scroll bars.. |
| 08:00:36 | GoRK | oh yeah it is vb... that's a nice vb app actually |
| 08:00:54 | scanline | R11 is a 10k pot, I have no R12 |
| 08:01:07 | GoRK | no r12?!? |
| 08:01:39 | GoRK | do you just tie the audio ground on the jack to GND? |
| 08:09:16 | scanline | yes |
| 08:14:38 | scanline | gah. problems with comctl32.ocx |
| 08:15:40 | GoRK | are you using the builtin or the native? |
| 08:16:13 | scanline | native probably... I just installed a copy |
| 08:16:21 | scanline | I'm running wine off my win95 partition |
| 08:17:17 | scanline | i give up |
| 08:18:49 | scanline | more starcraft... |
| 08:28:47 | GoRK | gets some pcb mount audio jack datasheets from mouser |
| 08:29:40 | GoRK | mouser has the best data sheets in the world |
| 08:30:05 | GoRK | the computer graphics people that work for them have some seriously boring jobs |
| 08:30:13 | GoRK | to illustrate all that crap :) |
| 08:48:48 | GoRK | is ground on the audio jack ring or tip? |
| 08:48:58 | GoRK | i seem to remember that it is ring but wanted to make sure |
| 09:32:26 | scanline | tip&ring... isn't that for telephone lines only? |
| 09:33:16 | GoRK | i thought it was for audio cables too.. came from the old operator switchboards that used tip/ring 1/4" connectors... that's what i thought anyway |
| 09:33:35 | scanline | doesn't know |
| 09:33:38 | GoRK | anyway i am trying to source some pcb mount right angle thumbwheel pots |
| 09:33:47 | scanline | that would be nifty |
| 09:33:49 | GoRK | for headphone volume control... mouser has some but you have to buy 1K |
| 09:33:53 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:34:04 | GoRK | well.. they have some non pcb ones you can buy individually |
| 09:34:11 | scanline | i may replace my hack with one of these things when they're ready |
| 09:36:35 | GoRK | it is so stupid.. they advertise them in the catalog but i cant find them on the website in qty < 1K |
| 09:36:50 | GoRK | i will assume that you can order them individually due to the catalog and design for them anyway |
| 09:37:34 | scanline | k |
| 10:08:22 | GoRK | http://www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip2-gork3.gif |
| 10:13:01 | GoRK | anyway gotta go |
| 10:13:02 | GoRK | nite |
| 10:52:16 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe i just crashed the tux, w/o any mods either hardware or software ;) |
| 11:14:01 | SteevD | MicroChip32: what did you do, then? |
| 11:16:36 | MicroChip32 | good question, i dont know. i was playing with the address book, pressed the [telephone] button, and the screen did the linux version of bsod |
| 11:16:49 | SteevD | In inferno? |
| 11:16:52 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 11:17:14 | MicroChip32 | went black with a typical "i dont know what the f*** happened but i cant operate any more" message |
| 11:17:31 | MicroChip32 | made me hit the reset button |
| 11:17:43 | SteveD | mine used to trap all the time under Inferno. I thought the hardware or PSU was messed up. But fine under Linux |
| 11:17:57 | MicroChip32 | prolly inferno bug |
| 11:18:18 | MicroChip32 | i just got this last night, still playing with it before i nuke inferno |
| 11:18:57 | MicroChip32 | strangely im actually considering using it as is, this is pretty cool |
| 11:21:04 | BZFlag | nite (or morning...) |
| 11:22:30 | MicroChip32 | g'nite (morning) tim |
| 11:23:12 | SteveD | afternoon |
| 11:23:45 | MicroChip32 | checks his watch ... hmmmm did i set it wrong ? |
| 11:23:46 | MicroChip32 | <G> |
| 11:24:13 | MicroChip32 | y'all must be on the other side of the 'pond' eh ? |
| 11:24:32 | SteveD | I'm in Cambridge, UK |
| 11:24:48 | SteveD | doesn't make much odds on the net, not so/ |
| 11:24:54 | SteveD | s!/!?! |
| 11:26:33 | SteveD | only catch is all the "action" here is way past bedtime... |
| 11:28:46 | MicroChip32 | heheheh yea |
| 11:39:03 | MicroChip32 | ok what gives, i reset and now it wants to do a software download, if i [cancel] it just reboots again |
| 11:40:07 | SteveD | ah - its booting the "other" image. |
| 11:40:57 | SteveD | if I remember right I got into the monitor (ctrl-D is it?) and told it to boot kernel2 |
| 11:41:03 | SteveD | (sorry - don't remember exactly...) |
| 11:41:26 | MicroChip32 | ctrl-p |
| 11:41:35 | SteveD | that's the one |
| 11:42:05 | MicroChip32 | whats with this software download thing anyway ? |
| 11:43:00 | SteveD | I suppose it calls in, grabs a new inferno image and drops it into flash. I don't suppose it still functions |
| 11:45:13 | MicroChip32 | *mutter* all i did was take the sodimm out to look at the pads for the 12v unlock, then put it back in |
| 11:45:25 | MicroChip32 | and yes i pulled power out first |
| 11:47:32 | MicroChip32 | ah finally, the prompt |
| 11:47:47 | MicroChip32 | egads, sboot v0.71 |
| 11:52:21 | SteveD | ? will show boot, option for two kernels or images or something - boot the second |
| 11:55:17 | MicroChip32 | hit ? when/where ? |
| 11:56:02 | MicroChip32 | at the prompt |
| 11:57:33 | MicroChip32 | yes! |
| 11:57:40 | MicroChip32 | [esc] 2 |
| 11:57:40 | SteveD | fixed? |
| 11:57:49 | MicroChip32 | breathes again |
| 11:58:39 | SteveD | is trying to make a tuxscreen 2.4.13-ac4-rmk1-...? and is getting confused... |
| 11:59:04 | SteveD | started with 2.4.13, patched to -ac4, patched to -rmk1, but where is the ucb1200 stuff, shannon.c etc etc? |
| 11:59:05 | MicroChip32 | is there a safe way to do that 12v unlock thing ? |
| 11:59:43 | SteveD | its safe. just make sure your 12v is really 12v and you solder the right pins... |
| 12:00:03 | MicroChip32 | does need to be regulated 12v ? |
| 12:00:43 | SteveD | I used an old pc PSU, but others have used 12v burglar alarm battery |
| 12:00:54 | MicroChip32 | any chance there's 12v available at the tux power source somewhere ? |
| 12:01:52 | MicroChip32 | hmmm there's 5 and 3.3 ..... a voltage multiplier ? |
| 12:02:04 | SteveD | finds http:.//russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.13-ac4-rmk1-tux1.gz - sorted! |
| 12:02:07 | MicroChip32 | wonders where he put his electronics books |
| 12:14:11 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: russ maintains the tux stuff url is... |
| 12:14:56 | SpaceCoaster | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches |
| 12:15:17 | SpaceCoaster | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.13-ac4-rmk1-tux1.gz |
| 12:15:45 | SpaceCoaster | oops, too late! |
| 12:20:01 | SteveD | spacecoaster: thanks, anyway |
| 12:27:12 | SteveD | hmm - ucb1200 stuff moved in 2.4.13-ac4-rmk1-tux1, russ's patch doesn't apply against that |
| 12:28:29 | SpaceCoaster | hmm, I didn't have a problem applying the ac4/rmk1/tux1 patches, did you apply anything else in between? |
| 12:29:03 | SteveD | i'm just starting over. untar 2.4.13, patch -ac4, patch -rmk1, patch -tux1. |
| 12:29:40 | SteveD | after all that, ucb stuff was in drivers/misc/ucb1x00..., russ's patch (that he sent to the list day or two ago) expects ucb drivers in drivers/char |
| 12:30:29 | SpaceCoaster | what was the patch that russ sent to the list? |
| 12:31:19 | SteveD | it had the 32M sodimm support |
| 12:31:38 | SteveD | (or, so I understood) |
| 12:31:40 | MicroChip32 | does the 12v unlock also unlock the critical 1st 16k of flash ? |
| 12:31:45 | SpaceCoaster | I sent a patch a couple of days ago but I haven't see one from Russ |
| 12:32:36 | SteveD | microchip32: the 12v only enables the flash unprotect. what you unprotect depends on the commands you enter. but if you follow the docs yes, all gets unprotected |
| 12:32:47 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: hey, I sweated blood over that, not gonna let anyone else steal the glory :-) |
| 12:33:42 | SteveD | blushes - misread the irc log |
| 12:34:00 | MicroChip32 | SteveD: so after entering the P/u 0 (as seen on shaggy's page at eclipse.net) all is unprotected and user must be extra careful ? |
| 12:34:03 | SteveD | so SpaceCoaster - what's that patch relative to? |
| 12:34:12 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: you are correct, the patch was produced agains 2.4.7+++, most of the ucb1200 has moved, need to look at it |
| 12:34:18 | MicroChip32 | how to leave that 16k protected? or does it need to be accessable to install linux ? |
| 12:34:43 | SteveD | MicroChip32: you must unprotect as the linux install replaces the inferno boot loader with BLOB |
| 12:35:09 | SteveD | MicroChip32: that's the dangerous part - where you use InfernoRemote to get that into the Tuxscreen flash |
| 12:35:43 | MicroChip32 | ahhh, ok so that 16k is the bootloader right? and blob is the equiv of lilo ? |
| 12:36:15 | SteveD | that's as I understand it. |
| 12:36:43 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: good analogy |
| 12:36:46 | MicroChip32 | k, and i need a serial cable hooked up for that dont i *wondering where he stashed his spare cables* |
| 12:37:13 | SteveD | just made up a cable - only need 2/3/5 connected (9 pin) |
| 12:37:56 | MicroChip32 | hehe, well i have several cables, just dunno off hand where theyre at, half my stuff is packed up for storage, and the other half looks like a couple hurricanes went thru it |
| 12:38:22 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: on the 2.4.13 issue, I couldn't get the touchscreen to function (the major/minor devices have changed but that wasn't it) and I had problems with pcmcia, but I only gave it 15 minutes. |
| 12:38:30 | Tangent | wakes up.. Afternoon all |
| 12:38:38 | SteveD | SpaceCoaster: are there other ways to get blob over, BTW? (apart from jtag) |
| 12:38:44 | MicroChip32 | changes Tangent's clock to show correct time |
| 12:39:06 | SteveD | like - off a flash or something? |
| 12:39:29 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : The correct time is always 10:07 where I come from... but that's a different story |
| 12:39:44 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: don't think so, JTAG works well |
| 12:40:01 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: more correct than GMT, hmm |
| 12:40:46 | MicroChip32 | lol Tangent / SpaceCoaster =) |
| 12:40:50 | MicroChip32 | its all a POV thing ;) |
| 12:41:50 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : From my point of view... I've just worken up, and not had breakfast yet.. therefore it is morning... in spite of what the clock says... |
| 12:42:15 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: i like your pov then :) screw the clock <G> |
| 12:42:44 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: how goes the climate control etc. projects? |
| 12:43:14 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : It's going rather well.. It's actually controlling the temperature in my server room now... |
| 12:43:29 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Currently at 18.8 degrees celcius |
| 12:43:32 | MicroChip32 | ok guys, so to get blob, and then linux (do i got that right?) onto this do i need anything (hardware) besides the 12v unlock and a serial cable ? |
| 12:44:55 | SteveD | no other hardware |
| 12:45:07 | Tangent | Russ : Compiling kernel now... if you're still awaky |
| 12:46:31 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: it will probably be about a week before I look at wheaties/32M/serial flash patches agains 2.4.13, feel free to investigate yourself |
| 12:48:36 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : THat's the patch I'm compiling up right now... I was having problems with it last night.. |
| 12:51:02 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: cool, my patch doesn't know about the new UCB1200 files, etc. I plan on splitting wheaties.c into three sa1100_ssp.c, wheaties.c and atmel_flash.c, then reviewing the 32MB stuff to make it more flexible. |
| 12:52:02 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : All sounds like a good idea... I waas caught out by the 32Mb patch last night... I didn't realise it was for only 32MB machines.. with a diffeent blob |
| 12:52:51 | Tangent | Hrm... segfault whist booting this time... :( |
| 12:53:02 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: yer not supposed to do that |
| 12:53:04 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 12:53:40 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: oops, I tried to make it clear, guess no harm done tho'? |
| 12:54:32 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : No.. no harm done.. apart from 10 mins wasted in a recompile |
| 12:56:19 | SpaceCoaster | If we can get the kernel to boot in 2MB at address 0xC0300000 then we can have one kernel/blob for all again. My hack isn't complete at all, just a proof of concept. |
| 12:56:24 | Tangent | Hrm.. I wonder what's dying on boot now>... |
| 12:56:50 | SteveD | tangent/spacecoaster - how does 2.4.13-ac4-rmk1-tux1 and its "32M sodimm support" relate to the patch you (Derek) put out the other day? |
| 12:57:16 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : On the Psion5MX linux, the memory is 4x4MB blocks scattered all over the place.. somehow they've patched it all together.. I imagine we need to do much the same for the Tux kernel |
| 12:57:34 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: I managed to compile 2.4.13 with not wheaties etc. and it booted ok, failed in pcmcia |
| 12:57:50 | Tangent | SteveD : I'm not sure... Russ just DCC'd me a patch last night, and said... "Try this" |
| 12:58:08 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Yeah.. it's around the pcmcia stuff that it#s failing |
| 12:58:23 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: hmm, interesting, are the 4M chunks contiguous? |
| 12:58:30 | SteveD | maybe I confused myself even worse than usual by attempting your patch against his 2.4.13. think I'll do something else for a while... |
| 12:58:46 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : No.. they're not contiguous |
| 12:59:04 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: ok, where could I look/get info? |
| 12:59:24 | Tangent | http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:59:29 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: I mailed russ about the pcmcia and he said ... " |
| 12:59:29 | SpaceCoaster | I think you need to fix the pcmcia conf, not sure though |
| 12:59:29 | SpaceCoaster | " |
| 12:59:46 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : The mailing lists are probably the most help... |
| 13:00:00 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : I think most of the Psion kernel hacking is done by Tony Lindgreen |
| 13:02:52 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : I think this may be what we're looking for... http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/5208/2001/4/0/5653010/ |
| 13:02:57 | SpaceCoaster | SteveD: Yeah, I think 2.4.13 and the 32M support are not ready for prime time at all. Do you want me to send you a patch when I've had a look? |
| 13:03:21 | SteveD | sure, please |
| 13:14:16 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : For the record... Here's the 5MX pro memory layout... 1. c1200000 4MB, 2. c1600000 2Mb, 3. d000000 8MB, 4. d100000 8MB |
| 13:16:08 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: ahh, but the initial 4M is sufficient for booting, we have 1M at C0000000 or 2M at C0300000, but it is a really good pointer thanks |
| 13:16:26 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : NP |
| 13:18:07 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: If we modularise our kernel we should be able to boot in 2M, might have to hack it so it decompresses the kernel into a second segment instead of appending it to the compressed kernel |
| 13:19:59 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: do you know a good guide to ARM assembler, I've done sparc/m68k/mips etc, so it looks reasonable? |
| 13:20:25 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : I've been told that ARM ARM (Architecture Reference Manual) is the one to go for |
| 13:21:11 | SpaceCoaster | They have that at Amazon for about $40 |
| 13:33:39 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : This any help to you? http://web.gnu.walfield.org/mail-archive/linux-kernel/1999-November/3594.html |
| 13:39:39 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: maybe, it might explain why I had no luck booting at 0xd0300000 |
| 13:55:44 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:55:53 | prpplague | another day, another $.52 after taxes |
| 13:57:23 | Tangent | prpplague : Even on a saturday? |
| 13:58:13 | prpplague | yep |
| 14:04:53 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 14:11:47 | prpplague | anyone know the status of the 5v hacks? |
| 14:11:56 | prpplague | 5v pcmcia that is |
| 14:13:29 | Tangent | prpplague : I have my old 5V dlink card working in my Tux |
| 14:13:38 | Tangent | prpplague : A couple of other people have had success too |
| 14:15:04 | Tangent | prpplague : I implemented the same hack as lucent used... GPSFan came up with a simpler one... |
| 14:15:09 | Tangent | prpplague : Here's mine.. http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/5VHack.html |
| 14:17:42 | prpplague | Tangent: nice job |
| 14:20:18 | MicroChip32 | nice photo quality :) |
| 14:21:24 | prpplague | MicroChip32: he's been practicing by making pr0n |
| 14:21:56 | AlHaz | ah, that explains the vaseline on the lens |
| 14:22:15 | MicroChip32 | rotfl |
| 14:36:34 | MicroChip32 | anyone have a pinout/wiring diagram for the serial cable i need from pc to tux ? |
| 14:37:27 | MicroChip32 | i dont feel like paying radio sh** $12 for a db9 cable and another $12 for a null modem and a gender changer. |
| 14:37:44 | MicroChip32 | friggin theives |
| 14:37:46 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Any old null modem cable should do it |
| 14:38:06 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: sure, cept what i have is db25's |
| 14:38:16 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Connect the grounds... (Pin 5).... cross over pins 2&3 |
| 14:38:25 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : On 9 pin connectors that is |
| 14:38:55 | MicroChip32 | Tangent kewl. is that all that would be needed for all serial comms with the tux? |
| 14:39:04 | MicroChip32 | aka dont need the other sig lines at all ? |
| 14:39:13 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah.. that's all that's really needed.. |
| 14:39:23 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : You could add RTS and CTS too if you really wanted |
| 14:39:48 | MicroChip32 | kewl. time to dig out the soldering iron ;) |
| 14:40:05 | Tangent | http://www.loop-back.com/null-mod.html |
| 14:40:23 | MicroChip32 | considers visiting these urls with tux ;) |
| 14:42:24 | MicroChip32 | tux browser sukx =( |
| 14:44:34 | AlHaz | thought ground was 7 . . . |
| 14:51:32 | prpplague | AlHaz: on 25ping |
| 14:51:42 | prpplague | s/ping/pin |
| 14:52:29 | MicroChip32 | ground is p7 on a db25 but p5 on db9 |
| 14:52:50 | MicroChip32 | do i need to hook the serial to a linux machine, or is windows ok, or what ? |
| 14:52:59 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : That's right |
| 14:53:20 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : I did it using Windows box, cause I couldn't get hold of the linux inferno |
| 14:54:23 | MicroChip32 | hmmm cuz only have db25 female connectors handy, and only db25 serial port is on my linux box |
| 14:54:44 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : no old mice kicking around? |
| 14:55:03 | MicroChip32 | none that i really wanna mutilate |
| 14:55:53 | MicroChip32 | hmmmmmm, that does give me an idea tho |
| 15:01:44 | MicroChip32 | hehehe i knew i kept that stone age stuff around for a reason ;) |
| 15:49:59 | Tangent | wonders if MicroChip32 just unplugged the wrong cable :) |
| 15:59:21 | MicroChip32 | ok who's the numb-nut who got my soldering iron warm and forgot to warn me *muttering* |
| 16:03:36 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Could that be you.. possibly? |
| 16:04:35 | MicroChip32 | naaa |
| 16:04:48 | MicroChip32 | note to self: dont touch warm soldering iron |
| 16:05:40 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : When I was 15 years old, py physics teacher told us (regularly) of a blind friend of his who was into electronics |
| 16:05:52 | MicroChip32 | yikes |
| 16:05:55 | prpplague | MicroChip32: ahh nothing like the unique smell of solder fumes and burning flesh.... |
| 16:05:59 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : To solder he'd run the iron down the side of his finger until it met the joint.. (Ouch) |
| 16:06:08 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Apparently he had blisters like you'd never seen |
| 16:06:13 | MicroChip32 | eeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkk |
| 16:06:34 | MicroChip32 | prpplague no kidding, burned half my finger off, or so it feels like |
| 16:06:54 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : That delightful mix of burning flesh and molten lead... takes me back to medevil times :) |
| 16:07:00 | MicroChip32 | lol Tangent |
| 16:07:18 | prpplague | MicroChip32: i've got really nice scar from a radioshit 45w desoldering iron.... |
| 16:07:50 | MicroChip32 | ouch, so far i aint got no scars from soldering, bot ive been trying hard |
| 16:07:57 | MicroChip32 | s/u/o/ |
| 16:08:03 | MicroChip32 | argh s/o/u/ |
| 16:08:28 | BurnedFinger | ;) |
| 16:08:49 | prpplague | lol |
| 16:09:05 | BurnedFinger | or perhaps hot_iron ? |
| 16:09:25 | Tangent | BurnedFinger : Sounds like an Oracle product |
| 16:09:25 | prpplague | BurnedFinger: that would be more appropriate for #net-sex |
| 16:09:34 | BurnedFinger | lol |
| 16:10:19 | MicroChip32 | ok lemme finish this finger-burnin ummm soldering ... |
| 16:10:32 | prpplague | ok i'm starting to get worried, my pcmcia is going too well... |
| 16:10:49 | prpplague | i've already finished everything i was supposed to do all weekend |
| 16:10:50 | MicroChip32 | ut oh, double check stuff, ya must have sometying wrong |
| 16:11:34 | prpplague | i'm used to things being behind schedule, but i'm not sure what to when they are ahead... |
| 16:13:24 | Tangent | prpplague : Which pcmcia hack are you implementing? Lucent version or GPSFan version? |
| 16:14:05 | prpplague | Tangent: actually neither, i'm working on a sa-1100 board that has used a Cirrus Logic pcmcia controller instead of the sa based controler |
| 16:29:24 | MicroChip32 | ok how can i test my jerry-rigged serial cable with the tux to see if it works before trying to use it for loading linux ? |
| 16:37:02 | other | is the gpsfan version online somewhere? |
| 16:48:15 | SteveD | just been reading the log. I couldn't get the BLOB to copy from Inferno on Windows. And I've seen a couple of others say the same thing. I had to use Inferno on Linux |
| 16:50:51 | MicroChip32 | SteveD: is there a way i can test my custom serial cable before i attempt to transfer linux ? |
| 16:54:57 | SteveD | microchip32: follow the infernoremote instructions - if you can get to the sboot from your pc the serial cable works ok |
| 16:55:26 | SteveD | i found, though, that I wouldn't copy blob over |
| 16:55:37 | MicroChip32 | where instructions, aint seen any on wiki, still trying to figure wiki out |
| 16:55:51 | SteveD | (did anyone successfully install blob with infernoremote from windows? |
| 16:56:26 | sb-- | tuxscreen.net down? |
| 16:56:57 | SteveD | nope... |
| 16:57:10 | MicroChip32 | SteveD, found the ir instructions on wiki |
| 16:57:11 | MicroChip32 | ;) |
| 16:57:47 | SteveD | www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InstallingLinux |
| 16:57:55 | SteveD | oh - you found it... |
| 16:58:14 | MicroChip32 | hmmm not that link, did search for infernoremote |
| 16:58:21 | sb-- | hrm.. page won't open |
| 16:59:04 | sb-- | cant look up the name |
| 17:10:00 | SteveD | any problem with using dd if=... of=/dev/mtdblock0 to overwrite blob with a new version? |
| 17:10:01 | SteveD | (assuming that the new version works...) |
| 17:54:47 | MicroChip32 | ok downloaded the emu for windows, no go, appears missing file or something |
| 17:55:26 | prpplague | MicroChip32: i had a bitch of a time getting inferno remote running under linux |
| 17:55:46 | prpplague | MicroChip32: they sure named that application right |
| 17:56:03 | MicroChip32 | havent tried linux, dont wanna fight with setting up the serials |
| 17:56:09 | MicroChip32 | hehehe yea i was thinking about that |
| 18:14:22 | collord | what were the problems people had with inferno/linux? |
| 18:15:45 | prpplague | directions were vague, compile errors, incorrect libs |
| 18:16:11 | prpplague | collord: i didn't help by documenting my porblems, sorry |
| 18:22:01 | collord | i gotta go grab a null modem cable, but it looks like inferno/linux runs, hrm. |
| 18:23:38 | prpplague | collord: probably operator error |
| 18:24:53 | collord | the only thing is that i had to put riker's updated emu into the installed tree... hopefully it's "full" enough inferno to do what needs to be done... |
| 18:25:36 | collord | and is buildroot-tux from CVS in any way borked? |
| 18:26:43 | prpplague | collord: bzflag and someone else said there were some broken items a few days ago, but i never heard whether they were fixed or not |
| 18:27:01 | prpplague | collord: i've been using old source files |
| 18:27:06 | MicroChip32 | collord did you use the download from the wiki pages straight, or did you have to add the emu update ? |
| 18:31:22 | collord | MicroChip32: emu update! actually that's the only thing directly from the wiki... |
| 18:32:40 | collord | pprplague: poop. I guess I'll just use the 0.4 versions of stuff |
| 18:33:14 | MicroChip32 | oh doh, yea, in thinking the linx are on the wiki |
| 18:33:43 | collord | aren't some people working with newer kernels than 2.4.7? |
| 18:35:25 | collord | hrmm. looks like it built both kernel-tree and pcmcia-cs... wonder which it uses? |
| 18:42:28 | collord | ...only the userspace stuff is built from pcmcia-cs... |
| 18:51:10 | prpplague | i'm out here guys, bbl |
| 19:17:14 | GoRK | GPSFan: you around? |
| 19:39:26 | MicroChip32 | is it possible to update my original inferno (v0.71) via the serial port w/o doing the 12v mod ? |
| 19:40:01 | GoRK | very little is possible without unlocking the flash |
| 19:40:15 | MicroChip32 | ok, is it possible with unlock ? |
| 19:40:30 | GoRK | to unlock the flash requires 12V |
| 19:40:42 | MicroChip32 | yea, got that |
| 19:40:49 | MicroChip32 | just afraid to do it ;) |
| 19:41:03 | GoRK | you're going to have to do it sometime |
| 19:41:24 | MicroChip32 | yea, i know, just putting it off till i get a round tuit |
| 19:41:34 | GoRK | unless you plan on using inferno forever now that we can do pretty much all the same stuff in linux |
| 19:42:39 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:42:59 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 19:43:01 | MicroChip32 | nope wanna get in and play with it. but kinda wanna see what the newest inferno has improved over the antique version on this unit |
| 19:43:17 | MicroChip32 | inferno seems pretty cool, for what it has anyway |
| 19:43:34 | MicroChip32 | ahhh finally, finished download the remote ... |
| 19:44:21 | GoRK | the newest inferno has a minitel app (useless unless you live in france), a slightly better browser (it still sucks), a new bootloader, a new boot logo |
| 19:45:15 | MicroChip32 | also, it is possible to put inferno back onto the unit after having linux on it? would it be the same routine, in reverse? |
| 19:45:49 | GoRK | well... no you have to split the inferno file into three chunks the right size of what blob flashes. |
| 19:45:58 | GPSFan | GoRK: I'm back, what's up? |
| 19:46:02 | GoRK | technically it's possible |
| 19:46:25 | GoRK | GPSFan: have a new PCB rev that i think should support headphones as well as line in... can you take a peek at it? |
| 19:46:29 | MicroChip32 | GoRK ok i understand that. no problem there ;) |
| 19:46:56 | GPSFan | GoRK: sure, I think we may be able to get rid of C5 too. |
| 19:47:02 | GoRK | GPSFan: cost per board for 100 units w/ solder masks and silkscreen is still < $5 |
| 19:47:15 | GoRK | cool |
| 19:48:31 | GoRK | GPSFan: www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/shanip-gork4.pcb |
| 19:49:32 | GoRK | i used some jameco parts for the pcb mount jacks and the thumbwheel pot |
| 19:49:43 | GoRK | jacks are like .79 and pot is like .89 |
| 19:51:39 | GPSFan | GoRK: forbidden... |
| 19:51:57 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: me too :-( |
| 19:52:07 | GoRK | gah! what did i do? |
| 19:52:38 | GoRK | excuse me not jameco.. mouser |
| 19:52:51 | SpaceCoaster | tho' I wouldn't know what to do with a *.pcb file. |
| 19:54:10 | GoRK | ok try now sorry bout that |
| 19:54:16 | GoRK | samba was messing with my permissions :) |
| 19:54:24 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: you need the secret decoder ring and WINDOWS ;>() |
| 19:54:57 | GoRK | scanline almost got it running in wine last night.. had some commctl32.ocx issues but i think that was due to something else |
| 19:55:14 | GoRK | it's VB so should work fine |
| 19:57:17 | GPSFan | GoRK: looks real nice, although I don't know whether they charge more for an odd shaped board or the extra square inches of PCB. |
| 19:58:24 | GPSFan | GoRK: we need to test the C5 mod too. my thinking was that a DC load of 10k or so shouldn't disturb the UCB1200 speaker driver, and the other side is cap coupled anyway. |
| 19:59:08 | GoRK | GPSFan: the cost calculator bases it on the rectangular area out of which you cut the odd shape... |
| 20:00:17 | GPSFan | GoRK: ok, what's with the unconnected Line & Mic input jacks? |
| 20:01:44 | GPSFan | GoRK: there is also something odd about how you have the pot hooked up. |
| 20:03:20 | GoRK | GPSFan: havent tried to make them work yet :) i wasnt sure on the pot... i thought i had to hook to the other leads but didtn know.. the data sheet is at www.mouser.com/specsheets/1431132.pdf |
| 20:04:58 | GoRK | GPSFan: remember i know nothing about this stuff... i just like puzzles.. putting stuff on a pcb is kind of like working a puzzle :) |
| 20:06:36 | | Russ was last seen on #tuxscreen 15 hours, 59 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: console=ttySA0,9600 [Sat Nov 3 04:07:18 2001] |
| 20:06:36 | Tangent | ibot seen Russ |
| 20:06:43 | GPSFan | GoRK: yes the other three connections are the real pot. the ones you hooked up to are sometimes setup for a switch which activates at one end of the rotation. |
| 20:07:15 | GoRK | ahh so i just hook to the middle one and one on the side? or the two side ones? |
| 20:09:22 | GPSFan | for a "variable resistor" go to the middle and one or the other side. Usually in audio work you also connect the unused end to the middle. choose the end by how you want the resistance to change with rotation. |
| 20:10:02 | GoRK | ah |
| 20:10:56 | GPSFan | GoRK: the reason for connecting the unused end to the middle is if the pot "skips" you will never have an open circuit. |
| 20:12:57 | GPSFan | GoRK: do you have s a schematic that you are working from? |
| 20:13:16 | GoRK | it's drawn on a piece of paper |
| 20:13:35 | GPSFan | ok. |
| 20:13:51 | GoRK | i am going to put it all on a breadboard and make sure it works here in a bit.. ill also see what's going on with c5 |
| 20:15:33 | GPSFan | ok. I'll try and trace out what your circuit looks like, I think you may have the pot connected incorrectly even with the change to the other terminals. |
| 20:15:44 | GoRK | heh ok |
| 20:17:59 | GoRK | i need to go actually get a couple pots so that i can do this properly.. anyway ill bbiab.. i put an updated schematic with some extra illustration and the changes to the pot in the same place (same filename, etc.) |
| 20:19:34 | GPSFan | k |
| 21:32:20 | sean | hey can the tuxscreen be wall mounted? i mean.. is that screen on a hinge, so it can go flat back against the thing? |
| 21:32:37 | AlHaz | yeah |
| 21:32:45 | scanline | it will mount like a normal wall phone |
| 21:32:52 | sean | cool, and it swivles too? |
| 21:32:58 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 21:33:01 | sean | rockin'. thanks. |
| 21:33:05 | Tangent | Or you can just hang it on a couple of screw |
| 21:33:06 | Tangent | s |
| 21:33:44 | sean | nice. thanks much. |
| 21:42:19 | Tangent | wonders how hard it would be to add a second serial port to the Tux |
| 22:08:22 | MicroChip32 | woohoo! makeshift serial cable works! |
| 22:08:45 | MicroChip32 | ok where do i type format ;) |
| 22:09:10 | MicroChip32 | (thats supposed to be dark humor for those who didnt notice) |
| 22:09:14 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : On yor windows machine ;) |
| 22:09:35 | MicroChip32 | oh hush, been there done that =) |
| 22:10:04 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : You could get rid of the linux stuff, and replace it with... erm... BeOS? |
| 22:10:24 | MicroChip32 | the linux stuff on tux? |
| 22:10:41 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Nah.. on all your other linux machines ;( |
| 22:10:43 | Tangent | ;) |
| 22:10:57 | MicroChip32 | egads, noooooooo. dat be my server |
| 22:11:45 | Tangent | How about a little.... netware ;) |
| 22:11:59 | MicroChip32 | pulls out a Linux manual and repeatedly beats Tangent over the head screaming "Down with MicroSoft! Down with MicroSoft!" |
| 22:12:10 | Tangent | Hehe :D |
| 22:12:29 | MicroChip32 | well, guess my next step is to fry this thing in 12v eh? |
| 22:12:37 | Tangent | hides from the beating in the comfortable folds of microsoft's horrendously flabby gui |
| 22:12:42 | MicroChip32 | rotfl |
| 22:12:53 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Yeah... 12V thing is a lot less scary than it sounds |
| 22:13:22 | MicroChip32 | nuts, i was just corrected .... next step is EAT, bbiab |
| 22:19:45 | Russ | bummer! (re: paypal policy change) |
| 22:20:26 | Tangent | Russ : Ah good.. you're back |
| 22:20:38 | Tangent | Russ : This morining I tried out the .config you sent me |
| 22:20:51 | Russ | and? |
| 22:20:57 | Tangent | Russ : The kernel now boots, but Tuxscreen segfaults just after starting cardmgr |
| 22:21:04 | Tangent | Doesn't end up at a login prompt |
| 22:21:21 | Tangent | Russ : It's possible I just need to rebuild cardmgr |
| 22:21:34 | Russ | can you /msg me the output after starting inint |
| 22:21:45 | Tangent | Russ : Erm... not any more... |
| 22:22:03 | Tangent | Russ : I've just put new old kernel back on... Give me a few minutes |
| 22:22:27 | Tangent | Russ : Once it finishes compiling the devfs version for me, I'll try the other one for you |
| 22:22:50 | Russ | anything ts related might segfault |
| 22:24:14 | Tangent | Assuming that ts = toucchscreen and not TuxScreen in this instance, I'll say that it's probably not related to that... We're dying about 10 lines into the linuxrc... I don't think we care about ts that early on |
| 22:24:40 | Russ | mount gets stuck in a D state on remount for me |
| 22:25:19 | Tangent | What's a 'D' state? |
| 22:25:24 | Russ | waiting on IO |
| 22:26:01 | Tangent | OK.. flashing 2.4.13-ac4-rmk2-tux2 (or whatever it is..) latest you sent... that one... now |
| 22:26:26 | Russ | think I'll move the backlight ioctl's to /dev/fb |
| 22:27:30 | Tangent | Russ : What bootargs do I need to get output on serial (without loosing root and init) |
| 22:28:09 | Russ | console=ttySA0,9600 root=/dev/mtdblock2 |
| 22:28:23 | Tangent | init=/linuxrc |
| 22:28:34 | Russ | kernel con figure that out on its own |
| 22:28:51 | Tangent | Nah... jffs2 not found... |
| 22:29:39 | Russ | Mounting local file systems: mtdblock_open |
| 22:29:40 | Russ | mtdblock_release |
| 22:29:46 | Russ | basically what I get |
| 22:29:57 | Russ | /dev/mtdblock/2? |
| 22:29:59 | Tangent | Cowardly refusing to erase blocks on filesystem with no valid JFFS2 nodes |
| 22:30:01 | Tangent | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:00 |
| 22:30:15 | Russ | looks like it tried /dev/mtdblock0 |
| 22:30:19 | Tangent | That's what I get when I specify a root=/dev/mtdblock/2 ... with no root specified, it tries to boot correctly |
| 22:30:29 | Russ | root=/dev/mtdblock2 |
| 22:31:20 | Tangent | Yeah.. that works better... I guess it doesn't support devfs names at boot time |
| 22:31:34 | Tangent | Huh.. this time it didn't segfault |
| 22:32:38 | Tangent | Ah.. if I give it the init=/linuxrc too I get the segfault... |
| 22:32:45 | Tangent | Here we go.. I can msg you the output now... |
| 22:33:15 | Russ | k |
| 22:35:08 | Tangent | Russ : How much of that did you get.. I assume I was kicked for excess flood there |
| 22:35:33 | Russ | wheaties_init: $Revision: 1.1.2.1 $ was the last line |
| 22:35:37 | Russ | <-- Tangent has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 22:40:03 | Tangent | Russ : BTW.. if I boot with init=/bin/sh, it doesn't ever finish mounting the root filesystem (or so it seems) |
| 22:41:16 | Russ | yah, bb gets confused |
| 22:42:07 | Russ | oh, does it do this: |
| 22:42:15 | Russ | init started: BusyBox v0.61.pre (2001.10.04-12:05+0000) multi-call binary |
| 22:42:15 | Russ | Mounting local file systems: mtdblock_open |
| 22:42:16 | Russ | mtdblock_release |
| 22:42:16 | Russ | |
| 22:42:25 | Tangent | Yep.. that's what it does |
| 22:42:37 | Russ | then you have the same problem as me |
| 22:42:45 | Russ | do a break, then hit t |
| 22:42:49 | Tangent | Kernel too new : Error ;) |
| 22:43:20 | Tangent | Nod.. I got a trace |
| 22:43:40 | Russ | is mount in the D state? |
| 22:44:31 | Tangent | Yes |
| 22:44:54 | Russ | that's where I'm stuck |
| 22:45:02 | Russ | that is what I need to fix |
| 22:46:52 | MicroChip32 | am i right that jtag still requires the 12v unlock, but will enable one to save their arse if they fu** up ? |
| 22:48:57 | Russ | it only requiers 12V on flash unlock |
| 22:51:57 | MicroChip32 | Russ: aka the one-time unlock, but not for operation of the jtag, is what you mean right ? |
| 22:52:30 | Russ | right |
| 22:52:51 | MicroChip32 | kewl. ok the question i dont wanna know, whats the dongle cost ? |
| 22:56:49 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Depends where you get it from... very little if you make it yourself.. more if you pay someone else to do it |
| 22:58:39 | MicroChip32 | ummm the dongle looks like small smt stuff, which im neither equiped for nor particularly interested in trying. so i'd prolly buy it |
| 22:58:41 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : As a rough guide... $15-$20 isn't a bad price |
| 22:58:52 | MicroChip32 | the cabling and stuff i can do, but not that smt stuff |
| 22:59:01 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : It's just a 7400 series chip and a couple of resistors |
| 22:59:12 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: the chips also available in man size |
| 22:59:15 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : You could build it on breadboard |
| 22:59:28 | MicroChip32 | hmmmmm that i can do then, hmmmmm |
| 22:59:52 | SpaceCoaster | RadioShack do a 20 pin board for 1.60 for two which is perfect. |
| 22:59:59 | MicroChip32 | checks the jtag schematic |
| 23:00:34 | Russ | just get some AHC logic, a header, and a parallel port |
| 23:00:37 | SpaceCoaster | The chip has 20 pins, I don't think I even had to cut a track. |
| 23:00:45 | Russ | the, solder it all together, any AHC logic will do |
| 23:01:11 | MicroChip32 | schematic looks like caps not resistors |
| 23:01:50 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: yep, i have several of those in use around here ;) |
| 23:02:53 | Russ | don't need them |
| 23:03:12 | Russ | I just put one .1uF cap across power, probably not needed though |
| 23:03:53 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: thats good the 8 or 9 caps were a pain |
| 23:04:13 | MicroChip32 | the schmeatic i see has the cap across + and - , and 8 caps from assorted traces to ground. you say none of those caps, cept maybe the power cap, are needed ? |
| 23:05:47 | Russ | right |
| 23:05:52 | Russ | just some AHC logic |
| 23:05:55 | MicroChip32 | i bet those caps are for "rf shielding" sorta eh? |
| 23:06:12 | MicroChip32 | does it have to be AHC, not HC ? |
| 23:06:31 | MicroChip32 | or HCT |
| 23:07:05 | TanentTux | Wehey... baxck on my Tux again :) |
| 23:07:27 | SpaceCoaster | baxck? |
| 23:07:56 | TanentTux | Yeah... i had this working a couple of days ago.. .then I tried new kernels, and accidently trashed old source tree in the process |
| 23:08:20 | TanentTux | SpaceCoaster : So I just had to recompile it again |
| 23:08:42 | TanentTux | Which of course took several attempts until i got things like devfs correct again |
| 23:09:08 | TanentTux | SpaceCoaster: Or were you just taking the piss out of my spelling |
| 23:09:49 | SpaceCoaster | no way, didn't know what you meant, glad to hear it's sorted |
| 23:10:31 | TanentTux | I'm using Zircon IRC client running from my 'intimate' microdrive |
| 23:12:35 | Russ | don't you mean, "TangentTux"? |
| 23:14:23 | MicroChip32 | ok how do i get this cover off? got the screws off but still stuck, gotta pry it apart ? |
| 23:15:51 | MicroChip32 | heh, ok didnt have all the screws ;) |
| 23:17:31 | Tangent | Russ : I did mean that... but the keyboard batteries were dying when I typo'd it in... |
| 23:19:09 | Tangent | My tuxscreen is currently running my Office ... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/AutomatedTux.jpg .. (Actually I'm cheating.. it's just an X display.. but it feels nice anyhow) |
| 23:19:11 | scanline | is away: food |
| 23:20:16 | Tangent | Sure do wish I had someway to calibrate the pointer properly |
| 23:22:04 | MicroChip32 | Russ: does that jtag chip have to be AHC or is HC or HCT ok ? |
| 23:22:06 | Russ | maybe the new driver will be better |
| 23:22:19 | Russ | MicroChip32: dunno, check the tolernces |
| 23:22:59 | MicroChip32 | Russ: good point |
| 23:23:32 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : HCT would be best |
| 23:24:36 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: tell me if the HC shouldn't be working coz mine seems ok :-) |
| 23:25:22 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: what would the difference be? |
| 23:26:42 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster: so youre using a plain hc then ? |
| 23:27:04 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : TTL compatible input levels |
| 23:27:14 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Better for talking to a Parallel port |
| 23:27:33 | SpaceCoaster | Yeah, I bought both the HC and the HCT and tried the HC and it worked so I left it in. |
| 23:29:03 | MicroChip32 | whats dif about the AHC listed on the schem ? |
| 23:29:12 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: ahh, thanks, the zillions of different series confuses me. |
| 23:29:49 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : In all honesty... I said HCT because I generally find it best for everything... WHen you asked why I had to check a book to justify myself :) |
| 23:30:07 | MicroChip32 | Tangent: lol |
| 23:30:10 | Tangent | Fortunately I was right ;D |
| 23:30:23 | Russ | I needs to be powered by 3V, and be 5V tolerant |
| 23:30:34 | SpaceCoaster | I believed you in any case! |
| 23:30:41 | Tangent | Russ : Jtagger? |
| 23:30:56 | Russ | ? |
| 23:31:10 | Tangent | Russ : we were discussing chips to go on a jtag board |
| 23:31:49 | Russ | right |
| 23:31:53 | Tangent | Russ : I always assumed it was 5V powered... never really thought about it tho |
| 23:32:03 | Russ | no, 3V |
| 23:32:22 | Russ | the SA1100 getting 5V signals would be very bad |
| 23:32:28 | GoRK | hello |
| 23:32:29 | Russ | thats why the chip is there |
| 23:32:30 | MicroChip32 | Russ: is that why the AHC type listed on the schem? |
| 23:32:31 | GoRK | comes back |
| 23:32:44 | MicroChip32 | Russ: as opposed to HC or HCT |
| 23:33:33 | Russ | those might work, I don't know, you'd have to check the datasheets |
| 23:34:23 | Russ | the whole point is to interface 5V<->3V |
| 23:36:22 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:36:41 | MicroChip32 | any of you have one of these chips i could buy from ya so i wouldnt have to pay $5 s/h plus $5 cod to order one for $0.60 ? |
| 23:36:42 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 23:37:02 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:37:17 | Russ | go to texas instruments and request a sample |
| 23:37:55 | MicroChip32 | Russ: website ? |
| 23:38:46 | Russ | probably ti.com |
| 23:39:13 | MicroChip32 | that i got, but didnt know if that was what you meant. |
| 23:46:39 | uChip | friggin isp |
| 23:59:31 | bhima | Hrm. my tuxscreen seems to have a _very_ dark screen. |
| 23:59:40 | bhima | wonders if leaving it on for too long could cause that? |
| 23:59:54 | bhima | (it's been off for 18 hours since it was on for say two days straight) |
