| 00:00:11 | Tangent | GPSFan : OK.. I'll have some pictures on the net when you come back |
| 00:07:25 | prpplague | anyone here mind explaining what this define does - |
| 00:07:27 | prpplague | #define I365_REG(slot, reg)(((slot) << 6) | (reg)) |
| 00:10:46 | andersee | prpplague: it takes two things, bit shift one of them left by 6 and then does a bitwise or of that result with the other thing |
| 00:12:01 | prpplague | andersee: ok thanks, that makes sense now |
| 00:13:00 | AlHazWork | goes home |
| 00:21:30 | Tangent | Yeehah... My 5V network card is working now :) |
| 00:21:40 | jacques | whoo! |
| 00:21:42 | Tangent | 100% success on 5V pcmcia hack |
| 00:21:58 | MicroChip32 | kewl |
| 00:22:23 | andersee | Tangent: cool. The power if 5V only now, right? Or toggled? |
| 00:22:39 | MicroChip32 | what 'ports' does the tux have built in ? |
| 00:22:57 | Tangent | andersee : I have two wires dangling from the front of my machine... If I twist them together, I get 5V, if they're apart, I get 3.3 |
| 00:23:34 | Tangent | So now I have working X, blackbox, Microdrive and NIC :D |
| 00:24:13 | jacques | it has 2 type II PCMCIA slots? |
| 00:24:27 | Tangent | jacques : That's right |
| 00:24:31 | jacques | cool |
| 00:24:40 | Tangent | Tho' they're normally 3.3V only sockets.. |
| 00:25:12 | jacques | i wonder what voltage the toshiba pcmcia drives require |
| 00:25:41 | jacques | tho cheapest would be to get another pcmcia->2.5" drive adaptor |
| 00:26:12 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/TuxScreen/C6_Img.jpg |
| 00:26:32 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: hey, you had a good day today |
| 00:26:49 | Tangent | Half way through... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/TuxScreen/C2_Img.jpg |
| 00:27:10 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Yep.. sure did :) |
| 00:28:49 | andersee | Tangent: what would it take to detect and provide the correct voltage automagically? |
| 00:29:17 | MicroChip32 | Tangent what are these pics ? |
| 00:29:29 | Tangent | andersee : I recon we could do it with another $4 of parts... very small PIC controller (12C509... 8pin) and a couple of FETs to switch the rails |
| 00:30:06 | Tangent | andersee : In theory, we could monitor the card voltage pins, and swing the supply rails around once a card's been insterted |
| 00:30:22 | andersee | Probably not worth the bother though. :) |
| 00:35:28 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : 5V PCMCIA hack.. just put the screws back in |
| 00:37:38 | Reefab | hi all |
| 00:37:43 | MicroChip32 | is pcm cards the only external interface, or is there serial/ethernet ports ? |
| 00:38:51 | Lenolium | Tangent: So, how does the 5V hack work? |
| 00:39:07 | Sammy | hello all :-) |
| 00:39:21 | Reefab | so, what have you been able to do with your tuxscreen ? |
| 00:39:24 | Tangent | Lenolium : It works... fine... Or do you mean... what's the mechanism? |
| 00:39:38 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: what do I need to buy at Radio Shack? |
| 00:40:47 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : 1x10K resistor 1x 100K resistor 1xPNP Transistor (I'm using 2n3906) 1x100uF electrolyic capacitor 1x100pF tantalum capacitor (or ceramic) 1x switch |
| 00:41:02 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : A little thin heat shrink sleeving helps too |
| 00:41:17 | andersee | Tangent: updated the wiki yet? |
| 00:41:36 | Tangent | andersee : Not yet... only had it working for about 5 mins |
| 00:42:42 | andersee | Well Geez, 5 min already and you havn't updated the wiki? How irresponsible. ;-) |
| 00:44:04 | jacques | yeah, he's like that |
| 00:44:08 | jacques | :-D |
| 00:44:37 | Tangent | I haven't even finished drawing the scematic yet |
| 00:45:57 | jacques | makes a whip-cracking sound. |
| 00:56:14 | GPSFan | Tangent: Hey, I just read !!! congrats!!! |
| 00:57:02 | GPSFan | Tangent: so much for the "stupid hour" ;>D |
| 00:57:12 | Tangent | brb |
| 01:03:40 | MicroChip32 | ok dumb question, how do i find the processor speed on a linux box ? |
| 01:04:18 | jacques | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:04:22 | MicroChip32 | thx |
| 01:05:49 | MicroChip32 | jacques: kewl, i'll have to remember that one ;) |
| 01:08:41 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/TuxScreen/5VHack.pdf |
| 01:11:27 | jacques | cool |
| 01:12:17 | GPSFan | cool! too |
| 01:13:29 | andersee | Tangent: it doen't look like you added a fix for the missing reset line, right? |
| 01:13:47 | Tangent | andersee : Not yet... this is just version 0.1 of the hack ;) |
| 01:14:18 | andersee | just double checking that I hadn't missed it... |
| 01:14:39 | andersee | I didn't see it, but that didn't for sure mean it wasnt there... |
| 01:14:42 | andersee | :) |
| 01:15:45 | Tangent | GPSFan : Sadly the majority of my in-construction photos are terribly terribly blurred.. I forgot to clean the lens |
| 01:16:54 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: that diode thingy wasn't on your previous parts list, is it an option? |
| 01:17:05 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : It's required |
| 01:17:20 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : It may actually be the only part that's required.. we're not sure yet |
| 01:20:18 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 01:20:20 | GPSFan | Tangent: that's ok, you got it to work. now to see if Lucent knew what they were about or not. would you like to try a simplification? |
| 01:20:43 | Tangent | GPSFan : Not right now.. I've put all the screws back in, and it's apt-get installing stuff |
| 01:20:54 | as_ | Tangent :] |
| 01:20:57 | as_ | GPS :] |
| 01:21:14 | GPSFan | ok, I really need to get the schematics done and get ming back together so I can play too!! ;>) |
| 01:21:23 | Tangent | Maybe SpaceCoaster could try it for us, since it's just stopping halfway through the build process |
| 01:22:07 | GPSFan | Tangent: did you try it at 3.3V? |
| 01:22:44 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: I don't have a plentiful supply of parts and Radio Shack is 20 miles away and closed, sorry. |
| 01:23:06 | andersee | Radio Shack is 1 mile away and open.... |
| 01:23:09 | andersee | :-) |
| 01:23:23 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: ah that's the thing about my proposed moe, all it takes is wire. |
| 01:23:28 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yes.. I made sure that the microdrive still worked in that slot at 3.3V, and then made sure that my 5V card still didn't work... Then I switched to 5V and tried the 5V card.. Success!! :D |
| 01:23:43 | GPSFan | s/moe/mod |
| 01:23:57 | GPSFan | Tangent: great, do you have a DMM? |
| 01:24:31 | Tangent | GPSFan : 2xDmm, 1X Scope |
| 01:25:25 | GPSFan | wow, a real home lab!, could you measure the VCC on the card when you have 3.3v selected? I think you can do it from the 2 wires you ran outside the Tux. |
| 01:26:10 | GPSFan | mesure with a 3.3v card installed & working. |
| 01:27:22 | Tangent | GPSFan : I should be getting about 2.95 |
| 01:27:48 | Tangent | GPSFan : I got some good skotkys for a switchmod supply I plan on building |
| 01:27:56 | GPSFan | A 1n4003 isn't a schotkey diode |
| 01:28:24 | Tangent | GPSFan : I picked it from the list of skotkys in my schematic editor.. It didn't have the one I'm using |
| 01:29:25 | GPSFan | don't know what a UF4003 is but 1N4003 is a just a power diode. |
| 01:29:54 | GPSFan | No matter though, a schotkey will certainly be better if what you have isn't. |
| 01:31:57 | Tangent | GPSFan : If you have a recommendation for a part number, I'll update the schematic... |
| 01:32:06 | Tangent | GPSFan : I ended up soldering legs onto SMT stuff |
| 01:34:45 | ProtWork | oh, yum. |
| 01:34:47 | ProtWork | :-) |
| 01:41:41 | GPSFan | Tangent: I don't have a P/N off hand I'ss see if I can dig up a suitable one. |
| 01:41:58 | GPSFan | s/I'ss/I'll |
| 01:54:53 | andersee | GPSFan: scanline was saying that one of the resistors in the shanip2 isn't needed? |
| 01:55:13 | andersee | I ask because I'm about to head over to radio shack... |
| 01:55:36 | scanline | andersee: The 68 ohm resistor isn't necessary |
| 01:55:37 | GPSFan | andersee: R8 the 68 ohm load for the UCB1200 speaker output, works just fine without it. |
| 01:55:50 | scanline | You'll save electricity too :) |
| 01:55:59 | andersee | heh |
| 01:56:08 | GPSFan | scanline: you interested int the 5V PCMCIA mod? |
| 01:56:24 | scanline | GPSFan: No, i don't have any 5v cards |
| 01:56:35 | GPSFan | scanline: ok.. |
| 01:56:45 | scanline | how's it going though? |
| 01:56:49 | andersee | How do you mount the shanip circuit once it is done? Hot glue? |
| 01:57:17 | GPSFan | andersee: if you are going to RS see what they have in 1A 30V Schottky diodes. |
| 01:57:46 | GPSFan | duct tape |
| 01:58:00 | andersee | what do I do with one of those diodes? |
| 01:58:42 | GPSFan | andersee: you may want one for the 5V PCMCIA mod, or if not I'd like to know what they have so others can get them there. |
| 02:00:29 | scanline | wonders when we will see shanip2 PCBs... |
| 02:07:40 | andersee | k, I will look for them. |
| 02:07:56 | andersee | Any other parts I should pick up? PCB etching stuff? |
| 02:10:59 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/5VHack.html |
| 02:11:10 | Tangent | There... that should keep you all happy for a bit |
| 02:13:32 | jacques | ewwww, they're so blurry |
| 02:13:32 | andersee | cool |
| 02:13:34 | jacques | :-D |
| 02:13:39 | scanline | nifty! |
| 02:13:45 | andersee | Tangent: have you built a shanip2 yet? |
| 02:13:55 | Tangent | andersee : No.. not yet |
| 02:13:59 | Tangent | GPSFan : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/5VHack.html |
| 02:14:19 | Tangent | andersee : I'll do a PCB layout when I make one tho |
| 02:14:47 | andersee | Hmm. Maybe I should wait a couple days then. |
| 02:15:35 | GPSFan | Tangent: nice work, needs a bit of focus though. ;>) |
| 02:15:57 | Tangent | GPSFan : Too late for that now... You'll have to get some better snaps when you do yours |
| 02:16:39 | jacques | can someone run some FFTs on those images please? |
| 02:17:06 | GPSFan | I've already got the pics, the mod I'm going to do is a bit different. I was hoping to find someone brave enough to try it. It's very simple. |
| 02:17:45 | andersee | GPSFan: I'm listening |
| 02:18:01 | andersee | I still have 30 min to make it to trash shack |
| 02:18:42 | Tangent | andersee : Do it |
| 02:18:57 | GPSFan | the Lucent people who did the 5V mod didn't have schematics available since there is a spot on the I/O board where the PCMCIA VCCs pass through 0 ohhm resistors, take them out , add a switch & diode and you are done. |
| 02:19:27 | scanline | wow |
| 02:19:41 | jacques | 0 ohm resistor? superconductors? |
| 02:19:45 | jacques | room temp? |
| 02:19:53 | jacques | bizarre |
| 02:20:01 | andersee | Wow. We could sell these for millions to power companies |
| 02:20:07 | GPSFan | they are labeled 000. |
| 02:20:13 | jacques | definitely |
| 02:20:23 | andersee | GPSFan: gimme the parts list, and I'll try it |
| 02:20:51 | andersee | I togglt switch and one 1 amp 30v schottkey diode? |
| 02:20:52 | GPSFan | andersee: I'm putting up the pix now wait a min... |
| 02:21:19 | andersee | k |
| 02:21:29 | scanline | If only I had some 5v cards :) |
| 02:22:57 | scanline | actually... are the apple airport cards 5v? |
| 02:23:25 | scanline | heh... looks like they're not even PCMCIA... |
| 02:24:09 | GPSFan | andersee: look at http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/5Vx2.jpg |
| 02:24:30 | andersee | k |
| 02:24:31 | andersee | looking |
| 02:24:49 | GPSFan | ok, see the yellow circle, it is +5v |
| 02:24:58 | andersee | k |
| 02:25:06 | andersee | both? |
| 02:25:11 | GPSFan | the blue circles are 3.3V |
| 02:25:12 | andersee | guess so |
| 02:25:17 | andersee | k |
| 02:25:23 | GPSFan | yes.. |
| 02:25:45 | jacques | wow, this mod sounds a lot easier |
| 02:25:54 | Tangent | GPSFan : Near R337, blue circle and red circle are shorted together |
| 02:26:03 | GPSFan | see R337 & R338, they are 0 ohm resistors in series with the PCMCIA cards VCC |
| 02:26:42 | andersee | k |
| 02:28:01 | GPSFan | remove either R337 or R338, R337 is the top slot, R338 the bottom slot. connect the diode from the blue circle to pin 5 for the top slot or 6 for the bottom slot. |
| 02:28:24 | GPSFan | anode to blue. |
| 02:29:14 | andersee | Ok. So I should buy 2 x toggle switchs and 2 x 1 amp 30v Schottky diodes? |
| 02:29:24 | GPSFan | take a spst switch, and wire it from the yellow circle to the pin of your choice, 5 for top, 6 for bottom. |
| 02:30:14 | GPSFan | you only need 1 set for each socket you want to convert. |
| 02:30:29 | andersee | k. |
| 02:30:44 | andersee | Lemme head off to trash shack now then. |
| 02:30:51 | GPSFan | k |
| 02:31:22 | andersee | back in a bit. Will you be around for when I heat up the soldering iron? |
| 02:32:01 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:32:35 | GPSFan | jacques: it is simpler, but untested as yet. It is my theory that the circuit with T1 is unneccessary, andersee is going to test this theory out. In addition, since we have schematics now there is a much better place to put the 5V switching part. Later we may develop an auto-sensing circuit. |
| 02:55:16 | scanline | So, aside from the hardware mod-fest, anything new happening? |
| 03:01:06 | jacques | GPSFan: excellent |
| 03:01:30 | jacques | scanline: well, Tangent has intimate running |
| 03:01:43 | scanline | NFS root? |
| 03:01:55 | jacques | microdrive I believe |
| 03:01:59 | scanline | ah |
| 03:02:11 | scanline | Darnit, i want Debian in 4MB :) |
| 03:02:15 | jacques | he said he had the udrive and NIC card in it |
| 03:02:34 | Tangent | That's right |
| 03:04:40 | jacques | one of those 5GB toshiba type II drives would be nice |
| 03:06:01 | GPSFan | even my old Integral 170M drive would be better than nothing.. |
| 03:10:45 | jacques | GPSFan: what kinda drive is that? |
| 03:11:05 | GPSFan | type 3 PCMCIA |
| 03:11:18 | jacques | can tuxscreens use type III ? |
| 03:11:42 | GPSFan | with a big enough hole in the case maybe.;>) |
| 03:12:20 | GPSFan | it might block the other slot so I'd only use it for testing. |
| 03:12:22 | scanline | Does gdb work on the tuxscreen yet? |
| 03:12:24 | jacques | how about a PCMCIA->laptop drive adaptor + 2.5"->3.5" adaptor |
| 03:12:42 | jacques | + extra power to the 3.5" drive |
| 03:13:10 | GPSFan | jacques: might run into power supply capacity issues, the 5V supply is only rated for .6A |
| 03:13:34 | Aelhaz | you could run a recent notebook drive on that |
| 03:13:42 | Aelhaz | maybe |
| 03:13:54 | Aelhaz | they're mostly .4 and .5a |
| 03:14:20 | GPSFan | Aelhaz: we are not sure how much of the 5Volts is left. |
| 03:15:44 | Aelhaz | GPSFan: good point |
| 03:15:52 | Aelhaz | I have some 340 meg pcmcia harddrives |
| 03:16:02 | Aelhaz | i dunno how much power they draw, but they're 5v |
| 03:16:16 | GPSFan | Aelhaz: from Fujitsu Stylistics? |
| 03:16:25 | Aelhaz | GPSFan: one is, one isn't |
| 03:16:49 | Aelhaz | I actually have two stylistic 1k's, one w/o a battery tho |
| 03:17:22 | GPSFan | I used to have 2 1k color units they made nice wireless clients. |
| 03:17:24 | Aelhaz | I thought i wouldn't be able to read the transmissive screen in direct sunlight, so i bought a stripped-bare transflective as well for like $10 |
| 03:17:33 | Aelhaz | transmissive mono, I mean |
| 03:17:39 | Aelhaz | turns out i can |
| 03:17:47 | Aelhaz | pretty well, even |
| 03:18:30 | Aelhaz | the major difference with the transflective screen is I can turn off the backlight |
| 03:18:48 | GPSFan | saves a lot of power that way. |
| 03:18:52 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 03:18:56 | Aelhaz | it's a bit streaky tho |
| 03:18:59 | Aelhaz | but that's ok |
| 03:19:24 | GPSFan | the color ones were not bad, DSTN, got 3-4hours from the batts. |
| 03:19:31 | Aelhaz | I picked up a 2nd 340 meg drive because i want to play with linux on one of 'em without nuking the working win95 install i have |
| 03:19:47 | Aelhaz | I also have a hazardous environment case |
| 03:20:34 | GPSFan | it's always good to have spare HDDs I had OS2 on one. Win95 on the others. |
| 03:21:49 | Aelhaz | there are os2 drivers for the digitizer? that could be interesting |
| 03:23:48 | GPSFan | I think I had to use a mouse, I HAD to do demo some software that only ran on OS2, so I had to search the whole city for a copy $134US just for a dumb demo that was worthless anyway. But I learned a lot installing it. |
| 03:23:52 | Aelhaz | i have v3 and v4 here . . . 'course, without a floppy drive, it could be tough to kickstart the installer |
| 03:24:44 | GPSFan | this was WARP. v4 I think. |
| 03:25:16 | Aelhaz | ah, I think pen for os2 supports it, which is an addon product . . . |
| 03:26:14 | Aelhaz | I wouldn't use v4 on something that small, not even on a dare |
| 03:26:23 | Aelhaz | v3 w/ fixpacks would work, tho |
| 03:26:58 | Aelhaz | I ran that once on a 386sl-20 with 8 megs of ram and a 200 meg drive . . . . pokey, but it worked better than windows |
| 03:27:24 | Aelhaz | had to use one of the WPS replacements . . . |
| 03:27:57 | GPSFan | wow, the best I ever did was Win95 OSR2 on a 486sl-25 with 4M DRAM & 80 Mbyte HDD. |
| 03:28:01 | Aelhaz | <-- former hardcore os2 user |
| 03:28:45 | Aelhaz | "warp connect" v3 with at least fixpack 17 is pretty damn slick . . . . aside from those "no drivers, no browsers" issues |
| 03:29:05 | Aelhaz | runs well on very little hardware |
| 03:29:16 | Aelhaz | v4 is a bit chunkier |
| 03:29:41 | Aelhaz | some company in europe is still selling and updating os2 - call it ECommstation |
| 03:30:08 | GPSFan | too bad IBM dropped the torch, I'v heard good things about the earlier versions of OS2, but really only had that one experience with it. |
| 03:31:58 | GPSFan | so they do!! banks used to love OS2 for the stability & IBM support structure. |
| 03:31:59 | Aelhaz | I used os/2 from 2.1 to 4 . . . I've been using linux off and on since '94 or so, but when my os2 box died a horrible death in late '97 i had a perfectly good linux box working . .. so I just moved my video & sound card & monitor onto it, and went with it |
| 03:32:19 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 03:32:25 | Aelhaz | about 9 months later when I'd collected all the bits I needed to rebuild the os2 box, I discovered i really didn't need it anymore |
| 03:32:57 | andersee | GPSFan: I'm back |
| 03:33:22 | andersee | They didn't have any Schottky diodes.... |
| 03:33:26 | GPSFan | great, i put up a new pix that shows all you have to do. http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/5Vx2.jpg |
| 03:34:02 | GPSFan | I suggest only doing 1 mod, the bottom one is the same slot Lucent did. |
| 03:34:07 | andersee | I do have some 50V 1A silicon diodes in my electronics chest. Will those do? |
| 03:35:00 | GPSFan | they will have higher drop then the schottky ones but whether your 3.3V card works or not is questionable. |
| 03:35:32 | GPSFan | If you are looking to run a 5V card then it probably isn't neccessary. |
| 03:36:30 | TangentTx | Hllo evyone |
| 03:36:43 | scanline | GPSFan: So if you wanted to make one slot 5v-only, it would just be a wire, right? |
| 03:36:47 | TangentTx | I'm using my txscreen for IRC under X now :) |
| 03:37:07 | GPSFan | Tangent: should be TangentTux... |
| 03:37:10 | scanline | wants an IRC client for PicoGUI... |
| 03:37:24 | TangentTux | Yeah... keyboard doesn't seem to work too well |
| 03:37:31 | GPSFan | scanline: and remove the resistor. |
| 03:37:40 | TangentTux | very prone to missing characters |
| 03:38:02 | TangentTux | Back in a sec (hopefully) |
| 03:38:11 | scanline | GPSFan: Right. Assuming the 5v mod works, that's so much better than Lucent's design! |
| 03:38:34 | GPSFan | yep. but no auto sensing (yet) |
| 03:38:42 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:39:49 | GPSFan | andersee: see the pix? don't forget the resistor and check with a meter that it is really gone, lest you let the smoke out of your Tux. |
| 03:40:43 | GPSFan | Tangent: when you did your mod did you hot plug your NIC? |
| 03:41:07 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yeah.. several times now |
| 03:41:19 | Tangent | GPSFan : No problems with either udrive or NIC so far |
| 03:41:43 | GPSFan | I guess it doesn't need a software reset. what kind is it? |
| 03:41:57 | GPSFan | andersee: what kind of NIC is yours? |
| 03:43:16 | Tangent | It's an incredibly old Dlink-DE650 card... Has a dongle that does both BNC and RJ45 |
| 03:43:22 | andersee | GPSFan: I have a Netgear FA-411 (works fine at 3.3v) |
| 03:44:03 | GPSFan | andersee: ok, so if it still works at 5V that should be good. |
| 03:44:29 | GPSFan | andersee: do you have any other 5V cards? |
| 03:44:33 | jacques | bnc? bhawwww hahahaha!!!! |
| 03:44:49 | jacques | points at Tangent nd laughs. |
| 03:45:50 | jacques | stopped running thinnet in `95. |
| 03:46:31 | andersee | GPSFan: I own an SMC 802.11b card, an Adaptec APA-1460, a Samsung 802.11b card, and a compact flash adapter. |
| 03:47:41 | GPSFan | andersee: nice, the Adaptec is SCSI I presume, does Linux support it, or I guess that cardmanager will tell you if it's ok. |
| 03:48:29 | andersee | cardctl ident on the adaptec works on the tuxscreen... Havn't tried to make it go yet. |
| 03:51:06 | Aelhaz | I've wondered about that. i thought scsi busses were 5v, but it could get that power from the bus if you enable termpwr on a device |
| 03:51:29 | Aelhaz | that's how parallel port scsi dongles are powered |
| 03:51:43 | GPSFan | you could, but the signaling is all 5V. |
| 03:52:05 | GPSFan | so it might not work at 3.3v |
| 03:52:07 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 03:52:11 | Aelhaz | 's what i'm saying |
| 03:52:12 | Aelhaz | sorta |
| 03:52:15 | Aelhaz | *shrug* |
| 03:52:47 | Aelhaz | I've got an apa-1460 as well, well, a NEC oem of it. Not my favorite pcmcia scsi card, either. |
| 03:53:07 | jacques | I have a PCMCIA game port card |
| 03:53:10 | jacques | so there |
| 03:53:11 | andersee | I've used the apaptec from my laptop many times and had no complaints |
| 03:53:12 | Aelhaz | the much older qlogic card i pulled off a panasonic cdrom drive is much faster and uses far less resources |
| 03:54:00 | GPSFan | I have one of the panasonic pcmcia CD's with what is probably the mate to your qlogic card. |
| 03:54:15 | Aelhaz | GPSFan: the 4x one? |
| 03:54:22 | GPSFan | no the 2x. |
| 03:55:44 | Aelhaz | are those even scsi? I thought at least some of them were proprietary |
| 03:55:59 | andersee | begins looking through his box for shanip2 parts |
| 03:56:12 | Aelhaz | What's sad is the panasonic 4x pcmcia scsi cdrom is significantly faster than my fancy teac 24x pcmcia ide cdrom drive |
| 03:56:22 | Aelhaz | teac blames the ide card they oem'd from freecom . . . . |
| 03:56:36 | GPSFan | The manual at one point said something about SCSI, and I believe it appears as a SCSI device in the OS (Win95/8) |
| 03:56:41 | Aelhaz | (ultra-slim notebook, no room for a cdrom drive) |
| 03:56:46 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 03:57:23 | Aelhaz | I burned a coaster or two with my apa-1460, never with my aincent qlogic card |
| 03:59:40 | bhima | the tibook's pretty slim and it has a dvd :) |
| 04:03:29 | Lenolium | *pling* |
| 04:10:49 | scanline | Lenolium *plong* |
| 04:11:07 | scanline | TanentTux: forgot another letter |
| 04:11:53 | TanentTux | /nick TangentTux |
| 04:12:58 | TanentTux | /nick TangentTux |
| 04:13:02 | TanentTux | Huh |
| 04:13:19 | TanentTux | Something weird with this client |
| 04:17:37 | GPSFan | andersee: how goes it? soldering iron hot yet? |
| 04:18:10 | Tangent | I notice that the Tux becomes unstable when swap > ram just like the ipaq does |
| 04:19:22 | Tangent | Does CPU scaling work on the Tux? |
| 04:19:59 | GPSFan | Tangent: do you mean changing th eclock speed? |
| 04:20:07 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yep |
| 04:21:17 | GPSFan | I'v been told by BZ that the Tux only works at 191.xxMhz ofr now, so I guess the answer is not yet. |
| 04:21:47 | Tangent | Ah.. I figured from the bogomips rating that it was running at 133 at the moment |
| 04:22:27 | Tangent | 120 or so bogomips IIRC |
| 04:29:21 | TanentTux | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/Tux.jpg |
| 04:29:40 | Tangent | My first Tuxscreen screenshot :) |
| 04:30:20 | GPSFan | that is sweet! |
| 04:32:18 | Tangent | Anyhow... Time I went to bed...5:40AM here now |
| 04:32:20 | Tangent | Night |
| 04:32:33 | GPSFan | night... |
| 04:35:31 | GPSFan | andersee: how is it going?? I am about ready to bail, is there anything I can help with before I go? |
| 04:49:03 | andersee | GPSFan: sorry, my wife distracted me. |
| 04:49:16 | andersee | GPSFan: I'm going to start now.... |
| 04:49:19 | GPSFan | that's ok mine does at times too |
| 04:49:34 | GPSFan | see the new pix? |
| 04:49:56 | andersee | GPSFan: yup |
| 04:50:32 | andersee | GPSFan: You know, I think I may just wait till I can get the right diode |
| 04:50:57 | andersee | GPSFan: I'd rather do it right the first time |
| 04:51:14 | GPSFan | the diode is only important if you want to go between 3.3v & 5V operation. |
| 04:52:00 | andersee | I'd like to retain that ability |
| 04:52:14 | GPSFan | you could wire the switch such that it switched between 3.3 & 5 |
| 04:52:47 | andersee | With no diode at all? |
| 04:52:51 | GPSFan | yep. |
| 04:53:13 | andersee | What does the diode do then if it can be omitted? |
| 04:53:46 | GPSFan | when you turn off the 5V, the diode allows 3.3 to go to the PCMCIA card. |
| 04:54:28 | GPSFan | when you turn on the 5V it reverse biases the diode so the 5V goes to the PCMCIA card |
| 04:55:35 | GPSFan | in a notebook the same effect is acheived with a PCMCIA power controller, under control of the OS. |
| 04:55:48 | GPSFan | like an LT1470 |
| 04:57:04 | GPSFan | what this really a test of is whether the transistor circuit described by Lucent really is neccessary. |
| 04:57:35 | GPSFan | just like the LM386 for the audio wasn't really neccessary. |
| 04:57:42 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 04:59:12 | andersee | So the alternative, though, is for me to cut off the resistor, and wire the 5V and the 3V directly to (the pin on the other side of R337) with a SPDT switch |
| 05:00:29 | GPSFan | yes, you wire the center pin of the switch to pin 6, and the other ends of the switch to 5V & 3.3V and take out the resistor. |
| 05:00:59 | GPSFan | in one position 5V goes to pin 6 , and in the other 3.3V does. |
| 05:01:21 | andersee | I think even a clumy oaf like me can manage that one... |
| 05:01:32 | GPSFan | ok |
| 05:01:39 | andersee | looking for a suitable switch |
| 05:02:19 | GPSFan | Tangent used two wires, twisted together. |
| 05:03:17 | andersee | I've got a 4 switch dip switch in my bag of electronics stuff. I'll use that. |
| 05:03:58 | GPSFan | just be carefull not to have both 5V & 3.3V switched to pin 6 at the same time ;>) |
| 05:04:08 | andersee | right. |
| 05:04:22 | andersee | I think I can manage that |
| 05:04:49 | andersee | Which board is this I'm moding? The comm board? |
| 05:05:17 | GPSFan | it's the one you see when you first open the TUX, |
| 05:05:30 | andersee | grabs the screwdrivers and begins surgery |
| 05:05:34 | GPSFan | the DSP is to the lower right. |
| 05:05:47 | GPSFan | sorry left ;>P |
| 05:11:38 | andersee | oops. three more screws |
| 05:12:56 | BZFlag | pictures? |
| 05:13:29 | BZFlag | this is on the main board, no? and 5v needs to come from the io board. |
| 05:13:47 | GPSFan | BZFlag: experimental 5V mod, http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/5Vx2.jpg |
| 05:14:11 | GPSFan | Tangent got his updated Lucent working. |
| 05:14:42 | GPSFan | the board is the one with the DSP on it. |
| 05:14:48 | andersee | wow. those resistors are tiny. You have a very nice camera. |
| 05:15:11 | andersee | How should I remove it? screwdriver + pressure? |
| 05:15:17 | GPSFan | andersee: not really, just close up lens set and a good light. |
| 05:15:34 | GPSFan | soldering iron |
| 05:15:39 | BZFlag | 6 and 7 are straight to vcc on both slots? |
| 05:16:01 | GPSFan | heat up one end enough and the other will come off. |
| 05:16:04 | andersee | soldering iron is already hot. Good sign |
| 05:16:40 | andersee | 337 is the bottom pcmcia slot? |
| 05:16:57 | GPSFan | BZFlag 5 & 6 connect to VCC of the 2 slots seperately, they get connected together with R337, & R338. |
| 05:17:15 | andersee | Oops. R338 is the bottom slot. |
| 05:17:28 | BZFlag | ah, yes 5 and 6, so much for my counting abilities. |
| 05:17:57 | GPSFan | bottom as in the normal orientation of the Tux, it is aslo the slot Lucent modified. |
| 05:18:26 | andersee | k. R338 is about to leave the building |
| 05:19:01 | GPSFan | one could also cut the trace just to the left of R338. |
| 05:20:31 | BZFlag | GPSFan: is that all they go to? 5 seems to be routed in to a mess of stuff on the left side of the main board. |
| 05:21:18 | andersee | k. R338 has left the building |
| 05:21:33 | BZFlag | has anyone tested this yet? ;-) |
| 05:21:45 | andersee | me.... |
| 05:21:49 | andersee | I'm progress |
| 05:21:54 | andersee | I'm in progress |
| 05:21:56 | GPSFan | the only place 5 goes on the left is to R337 and a pad that is used in bare board testing. there are a LOT of those on both Tux boards. |
| 05:22:21 | GPSFan | we are testing it now. |
| 05:22:36 | GPSFan | andersee: do you have a DMM? |
| 05:23:00 | BZFlag | ok, /me needs a close up lens. ;-) |
| 05:23:03 | andersee | yup |
| 05:23:19 | andersee | what do you want tested? |
| 05:23:35 | GPSFan | set it on ohms and connect it to where R338 was to see that there is no connection. |
| 05:23:37 | andersee | hope the battery is still good |
| 05:24:05 | GPSFan | there will be some reading but not a dead short. |
| 05:24:25 | andersee | I can set it on continuity |
| 05:24:36 | andersee | then it'll beep |
| 05:25:13 | andersee | nada. Cut clean |
| 05:25:34 | GPSFan | good, wire in the switch, and it's time to test. |
| 05:26:22 | andersee | which is the 5V and which is the 3V? |
| 05:26:29 | andersee | Yellow is 5? |
| 05:26:38 | GPSFan | Yep. |
| 05:26:38 | andersee | C400 |
| 05:27:34 | GPSFan | actually the hole near the silkscreen C400 |
| 05:27:43 | BZFlag | C400 is really the large cap to the right, no? |
| 05:27:47 | BZFlag | right. |
| 05:27:49 | GPSFan | pin 1, or 2 is 3.3V |
| 05:28:01 | GPSFan | BZFlagyep. |
| 05:28:42 | BZFlag | 337 and 338 are both 0 ohm, right? |
| 05:28:45 | andersee | Is there a ground nearby I can check this vs to see if I got a good connection? |
| 05:29:11 | GPSFan | the trick in closeups is enough light so there is enough depth of field. Yes both are 0 ohm. |
| 05:29:33 | GPSFan | wait 1 |
| 05:30:14 | GPSFan | the hole just above the big C400 cap. |
| 05:31:04 | jacques | boggles at a 0 Ohm resistor. |
| 05:31:53 | BZFlag | jacques: heh, they are just jumpers, but they can be mounted by the same machine that does all the other resistors as they are the same size. |
| 05:32:19 | jacques | really hopes the new simpler 5V mod works. |
| 05:32:40 | andersee | Is there a ground nearby I can check these to see if I got good connections? |
| 05:32:45 | GPSFan | the hole just above the big C400 cap. |
| 05:32:56 | BZFlag | andersee: in the square area |
| 05:32:59 | GPSFan | yes |
| 05:33:44 | andersee | ie to the right of the screw |
| 05:33:46 | andersee | ? |
| 05:34:05 | BZFlag | well, even with the anticipation, I have to get to bed. mail the list after the test k? Nice work! |
| 05:34:08 | BZFlag | andersee: yes |
| 05:34:15 | GPSFan | just left of where it says C401 |
| 05:34:42 | GPSFan | will do, night. |
| 05:34:44 | andersee | 5.9V and 3.403 on my 2 added in wires |
| 05:34:50 | jacques | there's a list now? |
| 05:34:59 | GPSFan | good, |
| 05:35:01 | andersee | 5.09V that is |
| 05:35:08 | GPSFan | better |
| 05:35:10 | jacques | even better |
| 05:35:12 | jacques | heh |
| 05:35:18 | andersee | So now to wire them into place |
| 05:39:17 | andersee | could somebody hold this wire for me while I solder it? ;-) |
| 05:39:29 | GPSFan | sure, pass it over... |
| 05:41:17 | jacques | ouch, that's hot! |
| 05:44:32 | GoRK | hello |
| 05:44:41 | GPSFan | howdy.. |
| 05:44:48 | GoRK | what are you crazy cats up to? |
| 05:44:55 | GoRK | 5v pcmcia? |
| 05:45:04 | GPSFan | yep. |
| 05:45:29 | andersee | has a soldering iron |
| 05:45:31 | andersee | fear |
| 05:45:38 | GPSFan | Tangent got his working earlier. |
| 05:45:41 | GoRK | heh i am totally fearing |
| 05:45:46 | GoRK | sweet |
| 05:45:57 | GPSFan | andersee & I are working on a simpler mod. |
| 05:46:28 | andersee | tries some different wire |
| 05:46:47 | GPSFan | #12 or 14 is a bit too big ;>0 |
| 05:46:49 | GoRK | 5v looked pretty simple anyway.. are you planning on hooking a gpio up for reset? |
| 05:47:04 | andersee | I'm having trouble getting the wire connected to the former target of R338 |
| 05:47:16 | GPSFan | that may be the next step, but Tangent's NIC did not need it. |
| 05:48:00 | GPSFan | pin 6 or the big pad it connects to is ok |
| 05:48:10 | andersee | ahh -- this one will work much better |
| 05:49:01 | jacques | what's the word on memory upgrades? |
| 05:49:57 | GPSFan | SpaceCoastergot 32M going, and posted diffs to the list, there is still more work to do. |
| 05:50:35 | jacques | GPSFan: hardware or software diffs? |
| 05:50:46 | GPSFan | software. |
| 05:51:13 | andersee | you know those hindu gods with 8 arms... |
| 05:51:16 | andersee | wish I was one |
| 05:51:38 | GPSFan | thats what tools are for. |
| 05:52:28 | GoRK | what is the final word on the audio mod? is it done? |
| 05:53:10 | jacques | GPSFan: was that 8+32 or 8+ 24 of a 32? |
| 05:53:21 | GPSFan | pretty much, the audio quality is acceptable now, people are discussing what else to go on the shanip2 board. |
| 05:53:29 | GoRK | 8+32 |
| 05:53:33 | GPSFan | jacques: that was 0 + 32 |
| 05:53:41 | GoRK | total of 40 mb.. the 8mb onboard are not useable |
| 05:53:45 | GPSFan | the lower 8 was disabled in blob. |
| 05:54:00 | jacques | GPSFan: cool, thanks |
| 05:54:15 | GoRK | GPSFan: yeah i jumped into that discussion... do you think 5V pcmcia stuff belongs on that board? |
| 05:54:37 | GoRK | GPSFan: whoever that one guy was wanted an ethernet controller... heh :) |
| 05:54:59 | GPSFan | GoRK: not really, untill we come up with autosense. |
| 05:55:24 | GoRK | GPSFan: also did you get scanline's message about the extra unnecessary resistor? |
| 05:55:42 | andersee | ok, got it. |
| 05:55:49 | andersee | Now for the switch and I'm all set |
| 05:55:51 | GPSFan | one might put an ethernet on J602, but there would be lots of driver work as well as PCB work to do. |
| 05:56:15 | GPSFan | GoRK: yes R8 the 68 ohm load for the UCB1200 spkr is not req'd. |
| 05:56:32 | GoRK | GPSFan: that can be a seperate board anyway though :) |
| 05:56:38 | jacques | where is the list? I cant find it on tuxscreen.net |
| 05:57:01 | GPSFan | andersee: make sure you know which position is which on the switch. |
| 05:57:03 | GoRK | GPSFan: well i suppose i ought to build this beast and get line in, mic in and headphone jacks working i suppose :) |
| 05:57:12 | GoRK | i am supposing quite a lot eh |
| 05:57:45 | GPSFan | hehe. it was getting simpler untill people started wanting more features. |
| 05:58:20 | jacques | found the list on sourceforge |
| 05:58:23 | GoRK | i was suggesting that the optional features be included for a pcb ... the components can always be left off |
| 05:58:24 | GPSFan | GoRK: i did find a place that will do a run of 100 PCB's for about $320US |
| 05:58:24 | andersee | GPSFan: sure. the position marked open is off |
| 05:58:49 | GoRK | GPSFan: will they put smt components on them also? :) |
| 05:59:12 | GPSFan | that's just for the bare board, we would add comp's |
| 05:59:30 | GoRK | it would rock if we got a design that they could print off with all the resistors and caps on it... we solder on some sockets and go |
| 05:59:42 | GoRK | i'd spend probably up to 10 bucks for that :) |
| 06:00:22 | GPSFan | there is a neat place called ExpressPCB they give you the software and it will price the board for you immediately. |
| 06:00:34 | GoRK | sweet |
| 06:01:05 | GPSFan | http://www.expresspcb.com/index.htm |
| 06:01:12 | GoRK | yeah i am already checking it out |
| 06:01:33 | GPSFan | not good for complex stuff. |
| 06:02:28 | GPSFan | and no integrated schematic input, but you know at once how much your board costs, you can do what-ifs on qty's too. |
| 06:02:43 | GoRK | good for our audio circut... they will put silkscreen and solder masks on too.. that's nice |
| 06:03:01 | andersee | switch is 1/2 wired up.... |
| 06:03:01 | GPSFan | I did a shanip2 layout in about 1/2hr |
| 06:03:19 | GoRK | is that where you came up with the $320 ? |
| 06:04:15 | GPSFan | qty 100 5 day turn around 2nd day air. |
| 06:08:30 | andersee | tries to take pics of the finished 5V pcmcia hack |
| 06:11:46 | andersee | reassembles phone |
| 06:11:58 | GPSFan | tension mounts... |
| 06:14:42 | andersee | http://codepoet.org/pcmcia/ |
| 06:16:58 | GPSFan | so switches 1 & 2 controll the voltage, and you will switch only 1 on at a time. |
| 06:17:11 | andersee | yup |
| 06:17:18 | GoRK | did you cut traces? |
| 06:17:43 | GPSFan | great, so set it to put 3.3V on the card and see if it still works. |
| 06:17:48 | GoRK | or have to solder anything to the mainboard? |
| 06:18:02 | GPSFan | GoRK: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/5Vx2.jpg |
| 06:18:51 | andersee | applies power |
| 06:18:58 | andersee | Still boots.... |
| 06:20:10 | GoRK | ahh looking cool.. so does this put 5v on both sockets? |
| 06:20:28 | GPSFan | it could if you put both mods in. |
| 06:20:39 | GoRK | oh so this is a top socket only mod |
| 06:20:41 | GoRK | ? |
| 06:21:15 | GoRK | GPSFan: btw your setup for photographing circut boards continues to amaze me |
| 06:21:26 | GPSFan | the pix shows what to do for both sockets, right now this is an excercise to see if the T1 circuit is really neccessary. |
| 06:21:31 | andersee | # shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 06:21:32 | andersee | shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 06:21:32 | andersee | shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 06:21:32 | andersee | shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 06:21:32 | andersee | shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 06:21:32 | andersee | eth0: NE2000 Compatible: io 0xf7000300, irq 48, hw_addr 00:40:F4:22:1D:E3 |
| 06:21:59 | GPSFan | andersee: is that the normal message stream? |
| 06:22:00 | GoRK | andersee: that is your 3.3v card? |
| 06:22:16 | andersee | # udhcpc |
| 06:22:16 | andersee | Moreton Bay DHCP Client (v0.9.5) started |
| 06:22:16 | andersee | Sending discover... |
| 06:22:16 | andersee | Sending discover... |
| 06:22:16 | andersee | Sending select for 10.10.10.52... |
| 06:22:17 | andersee | Lease of 10.10.10.52 obtained, lease time 864000 |
| 06:22:19 | andersee | deleting routers |
| 06:22:21 | andersee | SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 06:22:23 | andersee | adding dns 10.10.10.1 |
| 06:22:25 | andersee | # ping winder |
| 06:22:27 | andersee | PING winder.codepoet.org (10.10.10.1): 56 data bytes |
| 06:22:29 | andersee | 64 bytes from 10.10.10.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=4.6 ms |
| 06:22:31 | andersee | 64 bytes from 10.10.10.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=1.4 ms |
| 06:22:33 | andersee | --- winder.codepoet.org ping statistics --- |
| 06:22:35 | andersee | 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 06:22:37 | andersee | round-trip min/avg/max = 1.4/3.0/4.6 ms |
| 06:22:41 | andersee | The is the Netgear fa-411 |
| 06:22:43 | andersee | works in the bottom slot |
| 06:22:46 | andersee | with 5V |
| 06:23:06 | andersee | <the card it labeled 5V, but just happens to work with 3V as well> |
| 06:23:28 | GPSFan | you jumped ahead, we were going to do the 3.3v first, but hey, if it works great!! |
| 06:24:14 | GoRK | oh i get it .. there are two mods... the green is for the bottom slot, the red is for the top slot |
| 06:24:24 | GPSFan | GoRK: yes, |
| 06:25:03 | GoRK | ha. so in about 3 days we got all of lucent's fancy pants circuts down to about $1.00 worth of resistors, caps, and diodes, huh? |
| 06:25:11 | GPSFan | andersee: so it looks like it is working? |
| 06:25:42 | GPSFan | GoRK: we even simplified the pix to remove the diode. |
| 06:26:04 | GoRK | oh so the 5v mod is even simpler now? |
| 06:26:05 | GoRK | hahaha |
| 06:26:19 | GPSFan | yes, just a switch & some wird. |
| 06:26:26 | GPSFan | s/wird/wire |
| 06:26:36 | GoRK | does it switch between 3.3v and 5v too? |
| 06:27:06 | GPSFan | you have to switch the switch yourself, but yes it does. |
| 06:27:32 | GPSFan | andersee: you still there?? |
| 06:28:14 | andersee | yup |
| 06:28:14 | andersee | Seems to be working as well as before -- but <apparently> with 5V |
| 06:28:14 | andersee | I have only 1 card that is 5V only.... |
| 06:28:14 | andersee | But I'm using it. |
| 06:28:14 | andersee | brb <testing> |
| 06:28:51 | GoRK | lol this is sweet |
| 06:29:20 | GPSFan | hehe, yep, we still need to test it with a 5V card that won't work at 3.3V |
| 06:29:36 | GoRK | hey while you are at it with your camera, we probably need a good detail shot of the ucb1200 for an instructional diagram (once we make pcb's that is :) |
| 06:30:08 | GPSFan | like this http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/ucb.jpg |
| 06:30:11 | GoRK | GPSFan: i have a BreezeNet card that is absolutely 5V.. i have a feeling it will be hell trying to get the driver to just compile for arm though :) |
| 06:30:43 | GPSFan | it might require software reset too, that's next on the list. |
| 06:30:46 | GoRK | but i would love to get that card working... If i do that, then i can put a tux in my car and drive all around town making calls on wireless lan |
| 06:30:56 | andersee | k |
| 06:31:12 | andersee | Seems to recognize everything I can throw at it |
| 06:31:19 | GPSFan | swell! |
| 06:31:20 | jacquesZzZz | whoo!! |
| 06:31:40 | andersee | I think we have ourselves a new hack |
| 06:31:42 | andersee | :-) |
| 06:31:44 | GoRK | ok now to support 12V pcmcia?!?! |
| 06:32:04 | GoRK | add DCDC and a 3 position switch :) |
| 06:32:07 | jacquesZzZz | all it requires is a diode and a switch? |
| 06:32:14 | jacquesZzZz | coolness |
| 06:32:16 | GPSFan | what cards dou have that need 12V? |
| 06:32:28 | GoRK | iirc andersee has one |
| 06:33:12 | GPSFan | I've got some old Intel Series II flash that need 12V but I doube that there is anyone who wants to write a driver. |
| 06:33:13 | andersee | me? |
| 06:33:20 | GoRK | someone |
| 06:33:22 | andersee | nope |
| 06:33:30 | GoRK | i thought you had one.. maybe it was always gpsfan :) |
| 06:33:42 | GoRK | no wait. someone had a HP flash card that took 12v |
| 06:33:57 | GPSFan | I may have some, but don't want to use them. |
| 06:34:03 | GoRK | heck my old 20MB flash card might need it :) |
| 06:34:06 | andersee | I'm going to go get the hot glue gun so I can glue that dip switch into place |
| 06:34:24 | jacquesZzZz | heh, is there 12V anywhere on the board? |
| 06:34:29 | GPSFan | no |
| 06:34:31 | GoRK | no there is no 12v |
| 06:34:56 | GoRK | hey if we have 3 spare gpio's can we have it switch voltages automatically? |
| 06:35:03 | GoRK | with reset of course |
| 06:35:04 | andersee | GPSFan: any ideas on the reset? |
| 06:35:21 | jacquesZzZz | what type of cards need reset? |
| 06:35:26 | GPSFan | yes, and 3-5V software controlled switching too. |
| 06:35:27 | GoRK | actually i guess that'd take 4 gpios |
| 06:37:18 | GPSFan | andersee: can you post something about all this to the list, my cats are telling me it is way past time for bed. ;>) |
| 06:38:27 | andersee | heh |
| 06:38:36 | andersee | my wife usually tells me that |
| 06:38:40 | andersee | at about 5am.... |
| 06:38:42 | andersee | :) |
| 06:38:51 | andersee | Sure, can do. |
| 06:38:59 | GPSFan | thanks night all... |
| 06:39:03 | andersee | Did you make anything beyond your final pic? |
| 06:39:18 | andersee | No schematic yet, right? |
| 06:39:25 | GPSFan | not yet. |
| 06:39:29 | andersee | k |
| 06:39:33 | andersee | night, and thanks |
| 06:39:38 | GPSFan | tomorrow, |
| 06:42:04 | GoRK | so audio schematic simplifications... frame gnd can come out, 5v line can come out 3.3v -> spk_vcc can be moved to a jumper wire rather than on two wires to the mod board. one GND line can go away, r8 comes out and ucb1200 spkr- line goes away ... 7 wires to solder to the comm board total |
| 06:42:26 | GoRK | plus the one jumper wire |
| 06:42:29 | GoRK | that is not bad |
| 06:43:04 | andersee | Yeah? Well just 3 wires and 1 switch total for the 5V pcmcia hack. :) |
| 06:43:23 | GoRK | two switches for both sockets right? |
| 06:43:43 | andersee | Well, I cheated and used a 4 spot dip switch I had lying around |
| 06:44:04 | andersee | Would be better with a single spdt switch |
| 06:44:28 | andersee | one per pcmcia slot |
| 06:45:04 | andersee | So one more wire and one more spdt switch to handle both pcmcia sockets |
| 06:46:02 | GoRK | but on the other hand using gpio's to switch voltages and do reset sounds pretty fun |
| 06:46:35 | GoRK | well i am beat from moving and cleaning my new office all day so i gotta go to bed already :) |
| 06:46:41 | GoRK | so, nite!! |
| 06:46:50 | andersee | applies hot glue to the switch |
| 06:46:56 | andersee | g'night |
| 11:02:57 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzzzz |
| 11:45:08 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: are you around this am ? |
| 12:54:21 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: are you around this am ? |
| 12:54:28 | MicroChip32 | arch, daggone keyboard |
| 12:54:35 | MicroChip32 | s/arch/argh |
| 12:54:46 | MicroChip32 | throws his keyboard across the room muttering |
| 12:55:38 | MicroChip32 | throws his keyboard across the room muttering |
| 12:55:44 | MicroChip32 | dammit |
| 13:22:26 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: cool pcmcia mod, do I have to remove the resistors? |
| 13:40:57 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: R337 & or R338 depending on whether you want to convert 1 slot or two. |
| 13:41:32 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: or you can cut the traces just to the left of R338 and the right of R337. |
| 13:51:16 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:51:36 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 14:00:19 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 14:00:37 | GPSFan | 'mornin |
| 14:01:10 | prpplague | well has anyone gotten tuxscreen hacked to replace nagging wife yet? |
| 14:03:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I did with the girlfriend for a few hours, but it crashed and she came back with a vengence..... :) |
| 14:04:12 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:04:23 | CosmicPenguin | I have discovered that girlfriend 4.3 is generally incompatible with Linux 2.4.... :) |
| 14:08:21 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: yea 4.3 is a developers release wait til 4.4 then it's stable. |
| 14:08:39 | prpplague | just don't upgrade to wife 1.0a |
| 14:09:52 | SpaceCoaster | hehe |
| 14:09:56 | MicroChip32 | doesnt have those problems fortunately, still trying to find a copy of gf 0.2 |
| 14:10:24 | MicroChip32 | or is that 0.3 hmmm cant keep track |
| 14:14:31 | prpplague | only problem with these apps are they are closed source, very difficult to fix bugs |
| 14:16:02 | SpaceCoaster | and if you do upgrade there is almost no backwards compatibility |
| 14:16:10 | MicroChip32 | heh, i dont think those are bugs, i think theyre designed that way, sorta like M$ |
| 14:16:56 | prpplague | MicroChip32: trust me, they're bugs... |
| 14:17:10 | MicroChip32 | hehe |
| 14:17:32 | prpplague | anyone here delving into the pcmcia code? |
| 14:22:56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hw or sw? |
| 14:23:15 | prpplague | sw |
| 14:23:33 | prpplague | the controler aspects |
| 14:32:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm bungling through it for another project right now, so if you havea 5000 foot question, I might be able to help.... |
| 14:35:12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing yet, just wanted to see who might be a comrad in the strugle for pcmcia |
| 14:55:08 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Hi, Did you get the xkbd source ok ? |
| 14:57:22 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Actually, not yet, but I wil... :) |
| 14:57:28 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, no time like the present.... |
| 14:59:30 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: did you ever find that dictionary code BTW ? |
| 15:00:01 | collord | mallum: sorry for ditching yesterday... did you have any luck with the DLink? |
| 15:00:46 | mallum | collord: well yeah sort of I think |
| 15:01:10 | mallum | collord: I brutally hacked prism2.c and cs.c to force 3.3v and not complain |
| 15:01:16 | mallum | collord: that got the card up |
| 15:01:31 | mallum | collord: but I couldn't get it to connect to my orinoccos |
| 15:01:45 | collord | in ad-hoc? |
| 15:01:49 | signal11 | how is tux screen doing with > 16MB on linux? |
| 15:01:57 | mallum | collord: ad-hoc, managed and Master |
| 15:02:13 | mallum | collord: I then gave up assumming it wouldn't work |
| 15:02:56 | collord | mallum: my conclusion would be that DLink is just outright funked up... |
| 15:03:05 | SpaceCoaster | signal11: ok, needs custom blob and kernel tho' |
| 15:03:11 | mallum | collord: however after rebuilding the kernel to switch back to orinoco_cs I realise my damn firewall had been completely blocking off the prism2 interface as it had renamed it to wlan0 ( the firewall knew it as eth2 ) |
| 15:03:26 | mallum | collord: so basically I gotta try again |
| 15:03:55 | mallum | collord: with my stupid dumb firewall turned off |
| 15:03:56 | collord | mallum: doh! |
| 15:04:16 | collord | mallum: but did your card associate to it? it wouldn't block link-layer... |
| 15:06:03 | mallum | collord: iwconfig appeared to be working |
| 15:06:17 | mallum | collord: but I was getting wierd errors when I tried to ping from the card |
| 15:07:07 | collord | mallum: errors from firewalling wouldn't be wierd-- just no ping replies.... |
| 15:08:23 | mallum | collord: It was more than that, I cant remember exactly |
| 15:08:43 | mallum | collord: but I got the same thing when I first switched back to the orinoco_cs drivers |
| 15:08:53 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I got it compiled, but I found half a dozen spots where the compiling without XFT fails... want some patches? |
| 15:09:38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah if that would be great. sorry it didn't compile ... as I said its been a while since I tested that |
| 15:10:08 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: No worries... one other thing - It boots up with a very dark red background? Thats not normal? |
| 15:10:26 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: edit the kbdconfig file |
| 15:10:36 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thats me messing with it |
| 15:10:54 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: at the top of that file you'll see where the colours are defined |
| 15:11:35 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you've got basically there an alpha version ... theres still a few linguring bugs / features lacking, but the core of its there |
| 15:19:26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Cool.... How do I make it bigger? |
| 15:23:28 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: -geometry |
| 15:24:26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: ahh.... i've been spending too much time with Microwindows as you can see.. :) |
| 15:24:50 | signal11 | heh |
| 15:30:48 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: or I think you can set it in the kbdconfig file ( not sure if I've implemted that yet ) |
| 15:35:20 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Are you attempting to get it working under microwindows |
| 15:38:48 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Kind of.... Its a little complex, though, so we would have to add some stuff to microwindows to make it work.... |
| 15:40:24 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: I found out more officially what has happened with my internet |
| 15:40:33 | kernelwork | and hence my CVS server... |
| 15:40:41 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork wassup ? |
| 15:40:53 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Does microwindow have the ability to send events, like the Xtest stuff ? |
| 15:41:11 | kernelwork | My ISP was bought out by RMI.net a while back and RMI went from chapter 11 to chapter 7 (liquidation) |
| 15:41:49 | kernelwork | The morning of the first eli.net (one of their contractors) dropped their customers, who were actually at this point iccx.net customers |
| 15:41:57 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: It does..... |
| 15:42:06 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: But only keyboard events at this point |
| 15:42:16 | kernelwork | They didn't seem to want to keep providing service for someone who didn't seem to have a plan for paying. |
| 15:42:16 | uChip | friggin isp has wonderful timing |
| 15:42:29 | uChip | kernelwork i lost everything since my 'wassup' response |
| 15:44:23 | kernelwork | iccx.net is now trying to feverishly reconnect their new customers referring to the problem as a "backbone outage" |
| 15:44:46 | MicroChip32 | heh nice |
| 15:45:08 | kernelwork | If it's not up by monday my dad and I will be shopping for a new ISP |
| 15:45:23 | MicroChip32 | no kidding |
| 15:46:06 | MicroChip32 | hey, how many lines did you want me to cut the perl code down to? <G> |
| 15:46:14 | kernelwork | Infact, I need to call my hosting service provider (we may go to them for DSL) and make sure they will still be handling all my incoming mail properly until I can get a mailserver live again. |
| 15:46:31 | kernelwork | How obfuscated do you want to make it? |
| 15:46:48 | MicroChip32 | hehehe no obfuse here, its bad enough as it is *lol* |
| 15:47:16 | MicroChip32 | but i think ive cut the code down this morning, while at the same time cleaning up the "api" and adding functionality |
| 15:47:42 | kernelwork | cool |
| 15:47:43 | MicroChip32 | however i currently have a bug with a pointer somewhere that i cant identify yet |
| 15:47:59 | kernelwork | Last night I messed around with my brothers Widnows XP machine |
| 15:48:01 | MicroChip32 | something isnt passing a pointer correctly |
| 15:48:03 | MicroChip32 | ewwwwwwww |
| 15:48:22 | kernelwork | All the people who say Linux doesn't have any programs are wrong. |
| 15:48:31 | kernelwork | Linux doesnt' have the 5 programs they want |
| 15:48:36 | MicroChip32 | hehehe |
| 15:48:48 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Thats what the people want, kernelwork |
| 15:49:06 | kernelwork | I sat in front of windows XP for 20 minutes and got bored because it didn't have anything to do. |
| 15:49:16 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: no actually thats what ms TELLS the people they want, and the people dont know any better |
| 15:49:32 | MicroChip32 | lol kernelwork |
| 15:49:46 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: I don't agree... I just think that MS delievers what the people want... remember, we are *NOT* the people.... |
| 15:49:52 | boris | hi all |
| 15:50:01 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: thats because it doesnt do anything, other than look cute |
| 15:50:13 | kernelwork | They did put new draw code in. |
| 15:50:14 | AlHazWork | eagh, andersee needs to adjust the white balance on his camera . . |
| 15:50:15 | signal11 | maybe there's just nothing to fix & hack |
| 15:50:33 | boris | allicia keys - fallin is an awesome track |
| 15:51:00 | MicroChip32 | CosmicPenguin: so who are "the people" then |
| 15:51:01 | kernelwork | There is nothing to hack because there is no way to expand it in cool ways unless you spend $2,000 on development tools |
| 15:51:21 | boris | damn |
| 15:51:26 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: My mom is the people... you won't make money until you can bring this stuff to the masses... |
| 15:51:28 | MicroChip32 | and there's nothing to "fix" because all the "bugs" are called "features" |
| 15:51:32 | boris | i spent 3 hours hacking an access database thisafternoon for a friend |
| 15:51:36 | boris | access is evil |
| 15:51:43 | boris | unless you use the limited wizards |
| 15:51:47 | boris | it's true what they say |
| 15:51:57 | boris | wizards are there purely to hide deficientces within a program |
| 15:52:01 | kernelwork | Ahh, that's a part you only have to spend $500 on if you want to hack in it... |
| 15:52:57 | kernelwork | Or, you could buy the more expensive tools and write a real application with impressive features, and if you use some C you could even get a little speed out of it. |
| 15:53:46 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: unless you use the MS libraries |
| 15:54:02 | MicroChip32 | in which case you need to add snoring sound effects to it |
| 15:55:13 | kernelwork | You can't link with MS libraries, the tools don't link with those directly. That's why we have MSVCRT*.dll and MSVB*.dll |
| 15:55:50 | boris | heh |
| 15:55:58 | kernelwork | If nothing else Microsoft has mastered taking debugability out of software. |
| 15:56:01 | MicroChip32 | which is why it slows the progs down |
| 15:56:04 | boris | in windows you have to use the damn .lib's to link to a .dll |
| 15:56:12 | boris | that alwasy anoyed me |
| 15:56:27 | MicroChip32 | winblows programming sucks, period |
| 15:56:53 | MicroChip32 | unless ya wanna do it in pure assembler ;) |
| 15:57:20 | AlHazWork | winblows programming is mainly the act of learning how each api is broken, and how to work around it |
| 15:57:38 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork lolol, exactly it |
| 16:04:33 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: it's my brother Jens' take on windows programming . . . dunno if he got it somewhere else |
| 16:05:04 | MicroChip32 | i like it, its soooooo accurate ;) |
| 16:09:29 | AlHazWork | years ago, jens used to work for a securities & investments firm, writing solaris software to analyze financial statistics and try to recognize trends. That was when NT was just becoming available and Netware was still king |
| 16:09:41 | AlHazWork | back then, Jens used to talk up nt like it was some sort of . . . new technology |
| 16:09:51 | MicroChip32 | hehehe |
| 16:10:10 | AlHazWork | then he got a job with a consulting group, and the first thing they told him to do was write fault tolerant device drivers AND a diagnostic program for wangtek tape drives under nt 3.51 |
| 16:10:18 | AlHazWork | since that day, he has never stopped cursing NT |
| 16:11:21 | MicroChip32 | rotfl ;) |
| 16:12:36 | MicroChip32 | DOH! sh** if I didnt have my head attached id lose it, no wonder my prog wasnt working *muttering* |
| 16:12:41 | MicroChip32 | goes back to coding |
| 17:06:16 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 17:22:31 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: It looks like it'll be 5 days minimum to switch ISP's. It's all from Qwest being slow "We don't have to care, We're the phone company" |
| 17:27:45 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: nice |
| 17:28:43 | kernelwork | actually, the people are nice. It's just the idiots who wrote the documentation for their procedural policy weren't thinking. Think ISO 9000 |
| 17:43:17 | MicroChip32 | hahahahaha, i dealt with the umm 9001 prots i think it was a couple years ago |
| 18:05:24 | AlHazWork | There was a great series of Dilbert strips covering ISO 9000 certification |
| 18:12:57 | pattieja | is back (gone 01:06:40) |
| 18:46:13 | prpplague | UL is another crazy certification |
| 18:47:07 | Bklyn | urban legend? :) |
| 18:47:31 | MicroChip32 | close enough |
| 18:47:43 | prpplague | Underwriters Laboratory |
| 18:47:49 | prpplague | MicroChip32: lol |
| 18:48:22 | prpplague | i sent them 5 of my thin clients, all they send back as junk |
| 18:48:33 | MicroChip32 | nice |
| 18:49:49 | prpplague | "we sorry your unit doesn't have enough shielding at 440vac" , "well sir, its designed to run of 5vdc, why would i use 440vac on it?" |
| 18:50:36 | MicroChip32 | lolol |
| 18:50:44 | MicroChip32 | inductive shorts? |
| 18:50:45 | MicroChip32 | <G> |
| 18:55:09 | prpplague | MicroChip32: they never really said, they want big $$ for the report |
| 18:55:23 | MicroChip32 | go figure |
| 19:13:29 | AlHazWork | GPSFan: just shipped the sodimm. sorry for the delay, completely forgot i sold it to you until i got the check |
| 19:14:48 | GPSFan | AlHazWork: that's ok, thanks. |
| 19:15:26 | AlHazWork | so it went out priority mail, should have it by monday |
| 19:15:29 | AlHazWork | prolly, at least |
| 19:15:43 | GPSFan | AlHazWork: no I need to get a 32M SODIMM for my Tux. ;>) |
| 19:15:50 | scanline | is back (gone 08:12:53) |
| 19:16:01 | AlHazWork | :) |
| 19:16:07 | AlHazWork | I got one when they were on sale |
| 19:17:39 | GPSFan | AlHazWork: they will be again someday. |
| 19:19:51 | AlHazWork | yeah, and I'll buy another :) |
| 19:27:26 | AlHazWork | coast-to-coast memory has a model # LGED32U/032/G3V60 |
| 19:27:26 | AlHazWork | for $19 that looks like it might work, I ought to get more specs on it |
| 19:34:03 | AlHazWork | just sent coast to coast some email requesting specs, and hinting that they could sell hundreds of the things since all of the tuxscreens are short on memory |
| 19:34:46 | GPSFan | AlHazWork: yea, it looks like it might work, but after several peoples experience with Crucial, I'll wait till there is a verified source. |
| 19:36:13 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 19:36:51 | AlHazWork | I'm probably going w/ c2c for a 128m sodimm for my iopener, might pick one up for testing if they say it should be equivalent to the crucial part |
| 19:38:00 | GPSFan | once verified, with a known good P/N I'm sure there will be a lot of orders. |
| 19:38:29 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 19:41:46 | AlHazWork | might work in my fujitsu stylistic if it doesn't work in the phone, so it's about an even gamble |
| 19:42:11 | AlHazWork | the fujitsu's 72 pin 3.3v edo sodimms don't work in the tux, and vice-versa |
| 19:42:18 | AlHazWork | go figure |
| 19:43:43 | GPSFan | AlHazWork: that's why, without a spec sheet it is a gamble. |
| 19:44:35 | AlHazWork | yep |
| 19:44:51 | AlHazWork | the fujitsu sodimm has a serial eeprom on it, only visual difference |
| 19:45:00 | AlHazWork | might be that it's buffered and the tux needs unbuffered |
| 19:45:52 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 20:23:02 | BagMan | tim around by chance? |
| 20:38:43 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: for the audio mod what values should R6, R11 and R12 be? |
| 20:42:16 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: R6 = 2.2k |
| 20:43:22 | SpaceCoaster | thanks, R11 and R12? |
| 20:43:42 | scanline | I don't know yet... |
| 20:43:57 | scanline | I'm not sure what the voltages for line-level audio are |
| 20:44:12 | scanline | for headphones, use a 10k pot for R11 and leave out R12 |
| 20:44:34 | SpaceCoaster | Sounds good, cheers |
| 20:45:26 | scanline | Any word on PCBs for this thing? |
| 20:45:59 | scanline | Didn't GPSfan mention ExpressPCB? |
| 20:46:09 | scanline | I've used them before |
| 20:47:53 | SpaceCoaster | I'm gonna use a little proto board from RadioShack, $1.70 for two should be good enough, When I glue gun it in nobody will know |
| 20:48:05 | scanline | yeah |
| 20:48:16 | scanline | mine's still on a breadboard hanging from my Tux |
| 20:48:32 | scanline | wondering if i should build it on a cheapo-board or wait for a PCB |
| 20:49:37 | Russ|werk | I like building little balls of components, kinda free float them |
| 20:49:41 | Russ|werk | in a big gob |
| 20:50:07 | SpaceCoaster | They make board for a 20pin chip, which I used for the JTAG dongle, about 2x2 inches. |
| 20:50:10 | scanline | I might do that, since I can't seem to find a board |
| 20:51:49 | SpaceCoaster | Russ|werk: hehe, I used to put my big gobs of components in clear plastic boxes, so everyone could enjoy them. |
| 20:52:05 | scanline | wants a clear TuxScreen case ;) |
| 20:52:17 | SpaceCoaster | Russ|werk: thanks for reminding me. |
| 20:52:53 | SpaceCoaster | Russ|werk: I wanna see you use SMT |
| 20:54:01 | Russ|werk | that'd be a bit harder |
| 20:54:23 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: If you want to have nightmares, this is what happens when I use SMT: http://kiwi.sourceforge.net/photos/kiwi_dram.jpeg |
| 20:55:23 | SpaceCoaster | lol lots, see that russ, it is possible |
| 20:55:41 | scanline | Nothing impossible with enough hot glue and 30 gauge wire |
| 20:55:45 | hypaStyle | are they going to sell tux screens with the addon boards ? |
| 20:55:53 | Russ|werk | ph34r |
| 20:56:00 | scanline | Amazingly enough, that gob of wire runs Linux :) |
| 20:56:34 | SpaceCoaster | are those chiclets? |
| 20:56:46 | scanline | The clear rubber things? |
| 20:56:51 | SpaceCoaster | yeah |
| 20:57:04 | scanline | Those are rubber feet i used to attach a clear plastic cover over the top of the board |
| 20:57:04 | SpaceCoaster | clear mints then? |
| 20:57:21 | scanline | hehe. If you breathe on this thing too hard it might not work |
| 20:57:49 | SpaceCoaster | I'm glad you weren't around for the iso9000 discussion earlier :-) |
| 20:57:54 | scanline | haha |
| 20:58:25 | scanline | Well, the flash chip came out pretty well. I got the PCB pads for that poor DRAM chip all messed up though |
| 20:59:27 | SpaceCoaster | hypaStyle: yeah, we are gonna commission scanline to install mount the hardware, CosmicPenguin is gonna do the soldering, Russ might knit it all into a sweater. |
| 20:59:40 | AlHazWork | I saw a site somewhere for a free linux pda design based on the SH3 |
| 20:59:56 | AlHazWork | not anywhere near the low power of the dragonball, but a heck of a lot faster |
| 21:00:02 | Russ|werk | I like my gob of wire better |
| 21:00:04 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: :-D |
| 21:00:13 | Russ|werk | (that runs linux) |
| 21:00:18 | Russ|werk | http://russ.dhs.org/nesa_size.jpg |
| 21:00:30 | SpaceCoaster | sorry guys, just been shopping, needed to have fun. |
| 21:01:01 | scanline | Russ|werk: Yeah, your gob of wire is much more professional, but where's the 30 gauge and wire-wrap posts?? |
| 21:01:31 | Russ|werk | on my jtag isa board |
| 21:01:38 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:01:51 | scanline | The whole backside of that Kiwi board is wire-wrapped |
| 21:01:52 | Russ|werk | the jtag programmer for it is a bunch of random IC's on a isa breadboard |
| 21:06:10 | scanline | haha. You have a picture of that too? |
| 21:08:25 | scanline | looks for a piece of prototype board... |
| 21:11:12 | Russ|werk | I need to develop that film and scan it |
| 21:11:36 | Russ|werk | it has soldered wires in a rats nest on the top side |
| 21:11:44 | prpplague | Russ|werk: when do when get to buy one? |
| 21:11:53 | Russ|werk | and big solder bridges on the bottom |
| 21:11:58 | Russ|werk | buy one what? |
| 21:18:51 | Russ|werk | prpplague? |
| 21:19:22 | scanline | Maybe I'll find a way to build the shanip2 circuit directly on the comm board and post instructions |
| 21:20:52 | prpplague | Russ|werk: nesa board... |
| 21:21:32 | Russ|werk | oh, we had three of them made, about 6 months ago, along with 3 dual ethernet boards for them |
| 21:26:46 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i'm going to have to grab a copy of your jtag utils and see if can use them on the ceiva |
| 21:27:11 | Russ|werk | might play with rmk's stuff too |
| 21:27:24 | Russ|werk | do you have an sa1100? |
| 21:28:02 | prpplague | Russ|werk: got about 10 sa1100 based devices right now |
| 21:29:00 | Russ|werk | you'll probably have to play with them a bit to get them to work right on your jtag hardware |
| 21:29:15 | Russ|werk | I do like the gtk pin thingy |
| 21:29:48 | Russ|werk | using mtd to burn the flash is handy too, but a bit slower than jflash I think |
| 21:59:13 | scanline | ok... I just applied electrical tape generously to the back of the comm board, and soldered on the 100k resistor to the op amp, and 2 wires to the DSP inputs... |
| 22:02:19 | prpplague | scanline: going for the smoke test? |
| 22:02:30 | scanline | I hope not! |
| 22:02:46 | prpplague | scanline: just remember, once you the magic smoke, it won't work anymore |
| 22:03:06 | scanline | Now if only i could remember which of these was + and which was -.... |
| 22:03:11 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:07:57 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: what's cooking? |
| 22:08:37 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: I got my breadboard desoldered from UCB1200 and DSP, and I'm trying to build shanip2 on the comm board |
| 22:08:43 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: DSP soup |
| 22:09:50 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: cool, using the legs in the air approach? |
| 22:10:23 | scanline | yeah. Solder and electrical tape are your friend :) |
| 22:19:07 | BZFlag | stinking isp |
| 22:20:56 | kernelwork | BZFlag: you have no idea... |
| 22:21:07 | kernelwork | unless you got dropped too yesterday |
| 22:22:54 | kernelwork | is getting bitter about this |
| 22:25:22 | AlHazWork | a lot of that going around today |
| 22:25:34 | AlHazWork | a friend of mine had his website cut off by his hosting service today, w/o warning. which sucks 'cause it's currently his only source of income |
| 22:25:46 | kernelwork | ouch |
| 22:25:51 | AlHazWork | seems "unlimited bandwidth" doesn't include extremely popular sites that do 30gb/mo |
| 22:26:02 | kernelwork | ahh |
| 22:26:04 | kernelwork | I see |
| 22:26:09 | signal11 | man, 30gb a month just isn't that much |
| 22:26:21 | AlHazWork | he writes small, addictive java games |
| 22:26:33 | kernelwork | I'm a paying customer that doesn't even use that much |
| 22:26:35 | AlHazWork | and actually gets banner revenue, about $50/day |
| 22:26:59 | kernelwork | Mid-day yesterday I was cut off and tech support couldn't tell me why |
| 22:27:47 | kernelwork | If they would have told me I could have switched providers (hence why they didn't tell me) |
| 22:28:14 | kernelwork | Though, I'm sure they were hoping to hold on to the DSL customers through the purchase of my ISP |
| 22:28:33 | kernelwork | The ones like me who expect their bandwidth to always be there are jumping ship |
| 22:29:02 | kernelwork | connect2.net or xmission.com are my options right now |
| 22:29:13 | kernelwork | oops, connect2.com |
| 22:29:20 | AlHazWork | xmission has rarely done me wrong |
| 22:29:51 | AlHazWork | the only incedent that comes to mind was when they portscanned all their dsl users one afternoon, and then denied it |
| 22:30:05 | AlHazWork | but they don't pull that sort of stunt often. |
| 22:30:39 | AlHazWork | after i and several other people pressed the issue for a week they admitted they'd done it. it was stupid. |
| 22:30:42 | kernelwork | signal11 seems to like connect2.com |
| 22:31:34 | AlHazWork | if the response from support had been "Yeah, sorry about that, we needed to collect statistics really quick, didn't mean to offend" instead of "don't know what you're talking about, we sure didn't do anything" i wouldn't have been offended |
| 22:32:10 | AlHazWork | OTOH, outfits like @home portscan their customers regularly |
| 22:32:22 | kernelwork | Yeah, but portscanning is often regarded as a bad thing |
| 22:32:34 | kernelwork | it all depends on what you use the data for |
| 22:33:28 | MicroChip32 | portscanning me wont show much = |
| 22:33:34 | MicroChip32 | =) |
| 22:33:46 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: They needed to settle an argument that came up in a meeting |
| 22:33:55 | AlHazWork | "do our customers run servers on their dsl lines" |
| 22:33:57 | signal11 | connect2.com rocks. $15 a month |
| 22:34:11 | AlHazWork | i think it was reasonable, tho I'd have prefered they be up front about it |
| 22:34:13 | signal11 | they claimed that they wouldn't charge anything extra, even if I got the 1 megabit service. |
| 22:34:56 | kernelwork | I'll take 1 megabit |
| 22:35:01 | signal11 | what is that 10 gigs a day? |
| 22:35:09 | signal11 | that can't be right |
| 22:35:17 | AlHazWork | generally, tho, xmission is pretty communicative about what they're doing, even if they make a mistake |
| 22:35:27 | kernelwork | It's probably one 7 or 8 |
| 22:35:51 | kernelwork | s/one/only |
| 22:36:25 | kernelwork | xmission runs my secondary MX for linuxhost.cc |
| 22:36:43 | kernelwork | The primary MX is the system on my desk at home. |
| 22:37:07 | signal11 | xmission is my enemy |
| 22:37:36 | signal11 | trying to charge $140 a month because I ran an ftp server |
| 22:39:40 | AlHazWork | signal11: how'd they figure? |
| 22:40:23 | signal11 | it was like 40 gigabytes a month |
| 22:41:15 | AlHazWork | ahh, yeah, they limit dsl users to something like 4gb/mo, don't they? |
| 22:41:22 | signal11 | something like that |
| 22:41:32 | signal11 | even though I was paying extra already for a "business" connection |
| 22:41:35 | signal11 | at home |
| 22:44:29 | signal11 | connect2 is nice because they don't include web space, email boxes, etc... just a charge for bandwidth & extra IP's |
| 22:56:38 | BZFlag | dsl.inconnect.com is disconnected from the net. I'm hacking things now... back later |
| 23:12:23 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:23:09 | scanline | is away: food |
| 23:41:23 | MicroChip32 | are there any external interface ports (serial, ethernet) built into the tux ? or only via pcmcia ? |
| 23:41:53 | AlHaz | there's one serial port |
| 23:42:04 | GPSFan | MicroChip32: there is the mysterious J602, and an unused serial port. |
| 23:43:37 | AlHaz | be interesting to see what we could connect to j602 |
| 23:44:35 | GPSFan | AlHaz: it has 8bits of databus, nOE, nWE, nCS3, a GPIO, A0-A9. |
| 23:45:14 | MicroChip32 | AlHaz: so that would be the initial programming/etc interface i assume? |
| 23:45:14 | MicroChip32 | im about 3 hours from having a unit to play with ;) |
| 23:45:21 | GPSFan | AlHaz: I'm looking at it to add the 3.3-5V switching and software reset |
| 23:45:42 | AlHaz | GPSFan: interesting |
| 23:46:02 | AlHaz | MicroChip32: Nope |
| 23:46:07 | AlHaz | MicroChip32: jtag is somewhere else |
| 23:54:52 | MicroChip32 | grrrrr, stoopid isp |
