| 00:12:37 | CosmicPenguin | Nite all! |
| 00:12:40 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 00:12:47 | Tangent | as_ : Morning |
| 00:12:47 | scanline | night/evening |
| 00:13:27 | as_ | Tangent :] |
| 00:13:31 | as_ | scan :] |
| 00:13:49 | scanline | as_: Your name's too short to abbreviate :) |
| 00:14:44 | as_ | Damn this 8bits per byte. |
| 00:32:43 | scanline | is away: food |
| 00:40:38 | Sammy | hello all |
| 00:40:53 | MicroChip_ | kernelwork: you around ? |
| 00:41:26 | kernelwork | maybe |
| 00:41:29 | MicroChip_ | lol |
| 00:41:41 | MicroChip_ | i got a friend on a t1 downloading those files for me ;) |
| 00:41:51 | kernelwork | sweet |
| 00:42:06 | MicroChip_ | still gonna take him all night *lol* |
| 00:42:06 | kernelwork | t1 unshared should get them in 11 hours |
| 00:42:21 | MicroChip_ | we figured around 12 |
| 00:42:38 | MicroChip_ | heh still better than 11 months for me here *lol* |
| 00:44:38 | kernelwork | cvs is setup right so you can do the following... |
| 00:45:05 | kernelwork | export CVSROOT=':ext:microchip@linuxhost.cc:/.shares/cvs/' |
| 00:45:12 | kernelwork | export CVS_RSH='ssh' |
| 00:45:28 | kernelwork | cvs co con-tiger |
| 00:45:33 | kernelwork | give password... |
| 00:45:55 | MicroChip_ | gives kernelwork a confused look |
| 00:45:59 | kernelwork | You can put those export CVS* lines in your bashrc or in a function in your .bashrc |
| 00:46:01 | MicroChip_ | do this from where, my end or your end |
| 00:46:09 | kernelwork | on your system |
| 00:46:28 | MicroChip_ | so from a shell on my system do the exports and the cvs command |
| 00:46:53 | kernelwork | If you're on my system CVSROOT='/.shares/cvs/' |
| 00:49:20 | kernelwork | you then don't have to give a password, but you also need to be in the group cvsgroup (you are already) |
| 00:49:39 | MicroChip_ | my computer says cmd not found when type the cvs |
| 00:50:31 | kernelwork | <hangs head in disappointment> |
| 00:50:44 | MicroChip_ | i seem to have some cvs docs or something tho |
| 00:50:45 | MicroChip_ | hmm |
| 00:51:01 | kernelwork | What distro are you using? |
| 00:51:07 | MicroChip_ | rh6.2 |
| 00:51:16 | MicroChip_ | kernel 2.2.19 |
| 00:51:21 | kernelwork | install the CVS rpms if possible |
| 00:51:39 | kernelwork | else ssh to my system and work there (rich environment already setup) |
| 00:51:53 | MicroChip_ | what rpms needed ? |
| 00:52:12 | kernelwork | cvs |
| 00:53:01 | MicroChip_ | just the one rpm ? |
| 00:53:06 | kernelwork | should be |
| 00:53:16 | kernelwork | I wouldn't know, I use Debian |
| 00:53:17 | MicroChip_ | rpm -ivh <filename> right ? |
| 00:53:44 | kernelwork | rpm -i <filename> should be fine if you have the file in the current directory. |
| 00:54:52 | MicroChip_ | loading ... updating |
| 00:55:24 | MicroChip_ | back to prompt on my sys. ok so what happened |
| 00:55:57 | MicroChip_ | ahhhh, mirrored your devel tree on my sys eh ? |
| 00:57:09 | kernelwork | Yes, that's what CVS does |
| 00:57:38 | MicroChip_ | gotcha. cool |
| 00:57:39 | kernelwork | You will want to 'cvs upd' often to sync yourself witht the tree |
| 00:57:49 | MicroChip_ | login all scripted ;) |
| 00:58:02 | kernelwork | If you edit a file and want to submit your changes do a 'cvs com <filename>' |
| 00:58:10 | MicroChip_ | sounds like something for a midnight crontab ;) |
| 00:58:59 | kernelwork | Actually, it's best done everyday when you start coding, or when someone tells you that there is an update in the tree. |
| 00:59:11 | kernelwork | Update often and you will avoid conflicts in code. |
| 00:59:33 | MicroChip_ | looks at the main c file and gets queasy |
| 00:59:54 | kernelwork | If you get a 'C' instead of a 'U','P', or an 'M' that's a conflict |
| 01:00:17 | MicroChip_ | huh? |
| 01:00:43 | kernelwork | When you do cvs operations it will put one of those letters in front of a filename |
| 01:01:18 | kernelwork | U is update from server, P is patch from server, and M is merge with server. C is conflicts with server |
| 01:01:28 | MicroChip_ | oic |
| 01:01:39 | kernelwork | If you get a C you either need to edit the file and fix the problem or delete it and take the server's version. |
| 01:01:50 | kernelwork | you will get these on files when doing a cvs update |
| 01:01:58 | MicroChip_ | this would be when im sending an update i presujme |
| 01:02:10 | kernelwork | No, that's a cvs commit or 'cvs com' |
| 01:02:25 | MicroChip_ | k' |
| 01:02:31 | kernelwork | cvs update is get update from server, cvs commit is commit changes to server |
| 01:02:42 | MicroChip_ | ok, terminology |
| 01:02:44 | MicroChip_ | =) |
| 01:03:24 | kernelwork | cvs add adds a file or directory to the project cvs remove removes a file from the project |
| 01:04:06 | MicroChip_ | makes a mental database and hopes he doesnt burn those neurons before morning |
| 01:04:16 | MicroChip_ | brb, nature calls |
| 01:04:20 | kernelwork | Same... |
| 01:04:28 | kernelwork | (nature calling thing) |
| 01:09:54 | scanline | GPSFan: you still about? |
| 01:11:54 | kernelwork | I wonder if GPSFan would be a more fitting name for me, seeing as I'm writing some GPS software. |
| 01:12:11 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: go it down to 1 resistor yet? |
| 01:12:18 | SpaceCoaster | s/go/got/ |
| 01:12:24 | MicroChip_ | kernel, we could go by GPS1 and GPS2 <G> |
| 01:12:44 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: 6 resistors, 5 capacitors |
| 01:13:03 | MicroChip_ | heh gps_devel (as opposed to devil?) |
| 01:13:05 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: under a $ |
| 01:13:09 | scanline | yep |
| 01:13:22 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: what does it sound like? |
| 01:13:32 | kernelwork | I'm also known elsewhere as thekernel |
| 01:13:35 | scanline | telephone quality mostly... having trouble with clipping though |
| 01:13:47 | kernelwork | thekernel32 on slashdot |
| 01:13:57 | scanline | with another couple resistors and a socket you've got a headphone jack |
| 01:14:12 | scanline | the quality from the headphone jack is CD-quality (but monaural) |
| 01:14:15 | MicroChip_ | is known everywhere as microchip, cept for the places where someone else as stolen his nick |
| 01:14:44 | MicroChip_ | s/as/has/ |
| 01:15:52 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: sounds great |
| 01:16:22 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: Yeah, I'm listening to an MP3 on it right now |
| 01:16:52 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: have you decided on the resistor values (or close enough)? |
| 01:17:27 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: I think I've got good values for the input circuit. I keep fiddling with the output circuit values because the speakerphone is easily overdriven |
| 01:18:00 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: could that be because the DSP params are not setup? |
| 01:18:08 | scanline | could be |
| 01:18:22 | scanline | but it didn't seem to be a problem with the phone line |
| 01:18:54 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: I might pop to radio shack in the morning and get the bits. I need a bit of cheering up, been bashing my head against the 32MB problem for days. |
| 01:19:28 | scanline | yeah :) |
| 01:19:49 | scanline | problem with the shanip though is that it messes up normal telephone functionality |
| 01:20:12 | scanline | maybe there's another circuit modification we could make to fix that |
| 01:20:14 | kernelwork | Hey, there I am |
| 01:20:31 | kernelwork | I guess my IRC client logged itself back in |
| 01:21:07 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: how does it mess it up? |
| 01:21:08 | kernelwork | MicroChip_: I'm often able to get thekernel or thekernel32 |
| 01:21:34 | MicroChip32 | likes that idea |
| 01:21:55 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: it distorts the phone line audio |
| 01:22:40 | kernelwork | MicroChip has 4 byte words! |
| 01:22:54 | Tangent | What's the URL for the shanip stuff? |
| 01:23:43 | scanline | Tangent: http://erire.com/eshan |
| 01:23:50 | Tangent | scanline : Thanks |
| 01:24:10 | scanline | GPSFan's latest schematic is at http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/shanip2.pdf |
| 01:24:29 | scanline | R2 should be 150 ohms, and R5/R6 still need tweaks |
| 01:24:44 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: have you looked at con-tiger/src/tiger_read.c ? |
| 01:25:41 | kernelwork | Most of the functions aren't finished, but the first 2 are much like the rest will be whe I get to them. |
| 01:26:22 | kernelwork | That's probably something that you could do pretty easily if you wanted to. It's just repetitive |
| 01:32:59 | MicroChip32 | lemme see ... |
| 01:34:39 | MicroChip32 | ummm im lost in the first two lines after the includes dood, altho i do follow about 1/2 to 2/3 of the code in general |
| 01:36:52 | MicroChip32 | well, maybe 1/2 |
| 01:37:18 | MicroChip32 | i know what most of it ~does~ in a very general sense |
| 01:43:25 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork, a friend found me a good online tutorial ... so im "in class" <G> |
| 01:45:25 | kernelwork | I could give info on how to do it and it would be easy |
| 01:45:57 | kernelwork | I gotta get going, same time tomorrow? |
| 01:46:12 | MicroChip32 | or earlier, im usually online from 6am-10pm |
| 01:46:14 | MicroChip32 | est |
| 01:46:28 | kernelwork | I get into work about 9:00 mtn |
| 01:46:32 | MicroChip32 | do you icq ? |
| 01:46:47 | kernelwork | I did, now I AIM pixilhacker when I'm at work |
| 01:46:54 | MicroChip32 | ew |
| 01:47:00 | kernelwork | AIM on Linux |
| 01:47:05 | MicroChip32 | still aim |
| 01:47:23 | MicroChip32 | but then, so is icq now *sigh* |
| 01:47:39 | kernelwork | I'm off, gotta meet someone about 5 minutes ago |
| 01:47:45 | MicroChip32 | cya tomorow |
| 01:47:59 | kernelwork | bye |
| 01:59:22 | GPSFan | scanline: does the UCB1200 audio distort the phone line, or does the record audio? |
| 02:00:03 | scanline | GPSFan: The ucb1200 |
| 02:00:26 | GPSFan | you up for trying a few things? |
| 02:00:46 | scanline | hey, wait a minute... |
| 02:00:56 | scanline | i tried the phone line again |
| 02:01:16 | scanline | the volume is diminished (compared to with the ucb1200 disconnected) but it's not distorted with the new circuit |
| 02:01:43 | scanline | Yeah, the volume is a lot less with the ucb1200 disconnected, but it still works |
| 02:02:08 | GPSFan | oh, I was going to suggest adding R7 back in at maybe 1K. |
| 02:02:24 | scanline | ok |
| 02:02:25 | GPSFan | and re-adjusting your pot. |
| 02:02:46 | scanline | Did i tell you the good values for R2/R4? |
| 02:02:53 | GPSFan | not yet... |
| 02:03:05 | scanline | R4 is good at 10k, R2 should be 150 ohms |
| 02:03:13 | scanline | that gives good recording volume |
| 02:03:22 | scanline | I'm still fiddling with R5 and R6 though |
| 02:03:31 | GPSFan | ok, I'll put it in. |
| 02:03:39 | scanline | seems to be a tradeoff between clipping on the speakerphone and good volume |
| 02:04:10 | scanline | Using 2.4k and 6.8k for R5 and R6 gives good volume, but playing music on the speakerphone clips badly |
| 02:04:17 | scanline | oddly, on the handset it sounds fine |
| 02:05:25 | scanline | Using 8.2k and 680 ohms for R5 and R6 will never clip, but it's rather soft |
| 02:05:39 | GPSFan | so the speaker is distorted, and the handset isn't? are they both on at the same time? |
| 02:05:47 | scanline | no |
| 02:06:08 | scanline | if you run the tuxphone daemon the speaker button functions as expected |
| 02:08:56 | GPSFan | I haven't rung out the T/R IN & voice hybrid part of the circuit yet, so we are somewhat shooting in the dark, as to why there is distortion. |
| 02:09:33 | scanline | ok |
| 02:09:44 | scanline | At least we've got something that mostly works :) |
| 02:10:17 | scanline | is back (gone 01:37:34) |
| 02:10:30 | GPSFan | that's true, and doesn't require the active parts |
| 02:10:42 | scanline | yep |
| 02:11:07 | scanline | but this whole thing kinda makes me wonder what lucent was thinking |
| 02:11:29 | GPSFan | me too. |
| 02:12:09 | scanline | I'm gonna have to take a picture of this breadboard |
| 02:12:12 | GPSFan | so the latest R5/R6 values are what? |
| 02:12:45 | scanline | well, it depends |
| 02:12:54 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 02:13:03 | scanline | The 2.4k and 6.8k R5/R6 on there is a good volume |
| 02:13:17 | GPSFan | but phone distortion? |
| 02:13:19 | scanline | but 8.2k and 680 ohms is quieter and will never clip |
| 02:13:33 | scanline | the distortion only happens on the speakerphone, not the handset, with 2.4k and 6.8k |
| 02:16:02 | GPSFan | time to look at the DSP datasheet again. |
| 02:16:41 | scanline | Have you done much poking around under the RF shield? |
| 02:17:16 | GPSFan | I have my DSP module off that is the MonGoose picture. |
| 02:17:28 | scanline | oh yeah, I saw that |
| 02:17:32 | scanline | is forgetful |
| 02:18:16 | SpaceCoaster | goodnight guys, congrats on the progress |
| 02:18:23 | scanline | I'm convinced that 2.4k and 6.8k are fine and that this speakerphone distortion is something wrong with the echo cancellation parameters (or something) |
| 02:18:27 | scanline | 'night SpaceCoaster |
| 02:24:07 | GPSFan | scanline: ok, is the distortion audible when the tel line is disconnected? |
| 02:24:37 | GPSFan | as when you are playing an MP3 with thee phone on-hook? |
| 02:24:52 | scanline | on the speakerphone or handset? |
| 02:28:55 | GPSFan | Hmmm what I found int he DSP data sheet is that the line driver that drives the phone line is supposed to go to a "voice hybrid" which is driven differentially. these things are usually sensitive to impedance ballance, and we may be disrupting that with the shanip. |
| 02:29:57 | scanline | without the phone line? |
| 02:31:46 | GPSFan | I guess I've not quite got the gist of when you hear the distortion. it is through the speaker and not the handset, but how does it relate to the phone line? |
| 02:32:19 | GPSFan | is it ever clear out of the speaker? |
| 02:32:38 | scanline | usually I have the phone line disconnected, |
| 02:32:42 | GPSFan | k |
| 02:32:49 | scanline | when the line is disconnected and i have the 2.4k/6.8k resistors, |
| 02:33:03 | scanline | it's clear on the handset and gets clipped (or something) on the speakerphone |
| 02:33:18 | scanline | with different resistors it's clear but the volume's too low |
| 02:33:33 | scanline | with the phone line connected, there's no extra distortion, |
| 02:33:44 | GPSFan | ah. |
| 02:33:48 | scanline | but the volume of the phone's signal is too low |
| 02:34:49 | GPSFan | if you disconnect C7 while on the phone, does the level come up to an acceptable point? |
| 02:35:19 | scanline | Yes, if i disconnect c7 it's just like a normal tux with no shanip |
| 02:35:48 | GPSFan | with the 2.4k/6.8k resistors? |
| 02:36:37 | scanline | with c7 disconnected the resistors wouldn't matter |
| 02:37:14 | GPSFan | yep, but when the phone volume is to low and c7 is connected are the resistors 2.4/6.8? |
| 02:37:53 | scanline | yes |
| 02:38:06 | scanline | i can try it with the others... |
| 02:39:04 | GPSFan | that still sounds like the "voice hybrid" is being loaded down by the C7-R6-R5 combination. |
| 02:40:30 | scanline | right |
| 02:40:45 | scanline | same loading with the other resistor values |
| 02:41:16 | scanline | So maybe we increase R5+R6? |
| 02:41:26 | GPSFan | I think there are 2 effects, 1) low phone volume 2) distortion. |
| 02:41:49 | scanline | but I was only hearing distortion on the speakerphone |
| 02:41:58 | GPSFan | they are probably related, but maybe the best bet is to try to fix one at a time. |
| 02:42:18 | scanline | ok |
| 02:42:31 | GPSFan | did you have low phone volume on the handset? |
| 02:42:54 | scanline | yes |
| 02:43:23 | GPSFan | ok 2 effects, the low phone volume is common to both the speakerphone & handset. |
| 02:43:42 | scanline | looks up DSP data... |
| 02:44:52 | GPSFan | page 26, figure 5 is the block diagram. |
| 02:44:55 | scanline | I'm looking at http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/goose1.jpg |
| 02:45:03 | scanline | ok |
| 02:46:22 | GPSFan | the shanip signal is inserted directly into T/R IN pin 8 of J500 |
| 02:46:30 | scanline | right |
| 02:47:07 | scanline | pin 31 on the DSP |
| 02:47:30 | GPSFan | T/R IN goes into AI3 of the DSP chip. |
| 02:48:10 | scanline | It looks like PGIN on the goose1.jpg diagram |
| 02:49:06 | GPSFan | yes, it goes first through the programmable gain amp PGIN then out PGOUT to the RC network then to AI3 |
| 02:49:10 | scanline | I can't see where it goes looking at Mongoose.jpg because the blue capacitor is in the way |
| 02:49:24 | scanline | ok |
| 02:49:51 | scanline | I don't know much about DSPs :) |
| 02:50:23 | GPSFan | I'll move the cap and look... |
| 02:51:59 | GPSFan | pin 33 |
| 02:54:06 | scanline | So the T/R IN connection on the DSP is a high-impedance input |
| 02:54:17 | scanline | maybe it would be more interesting to see what the comm board has connected to it |
| 02:55:15 | GPSFan | it would seem so, that's the "voice hybrid" that I haven't rung out yet. I guess that's my next task ;>) |
| 02:55:39 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:56:29 | GPSFan | and pin 33 is labeled PGIN2 on the pinnout of the DSP page 15. |
| 02:57:54 | scanline | maybe this thing would be more reliable if we cut the trace on the comm board going to T/R IN and hook up a real mixer to combine the original signal and the UCB1200 audio |
| 02:59:25 | GPSFan | fig 21 on page 96 shows the PG's 20K-25K input Z |
| 03:02:52 | scanline | it looks like your average high-impedance amplifier input |
| 03:04:08 | scanline | I'm not sure what use it is to have the ucb1200 and the phone audio on the handset/speaker at the same time though |
| 03:04:33 | scanline | If it's a VoIP phone, the line needs to be disconnected when it's making a VoIP call |
| 03:15:29 | GPSFan | ok, I found where the "voice hybrid" is. Pin 8 of j500 is driven by an op-amp, but is coupled witha .05uF cap, so out R5/R6 circuit even at R6 of 6.8k will load it down quite a bit. |
| 03:19:17 | GPSFan | scanline: i'll finish off that part of the schematic tomorrow sometime, and see if there might be a better place to put the signal into. There are 2 quad op amps on the board, and I think 1/4 of one is not used. |
| 03:19:29 | scanline | ok |
| 03:19:43 | scanline | I'm not sure how we want to switch between digital and analog audio |
| 03:19:50 | scanline | how/if |
| 03:19:58 | GPSFan | i'm off to Zzzz land cy... |
| 03:20:02 | scanline | bye |
| 03:20:10 | GPSFan | s/cy/cu |
| 03:22:14 | scanline | has had enough analog for one day |
| 03:54:33 | Tangent | <- Zzzzz |
| 04:28:55 | GoRK | hello |
| 04:29:03 | GoRK | scanline: did youg et it working? |
| 04:29:36 | scanline | GoRK: Mostly |
| 04:29:54 | scanline | The speakerphone is picky about signal levels |
| 04:29:56 | scanline | but it works |
| 04:30:30 | GoRK | well... does it sound good? |
| 04:30:39 | GoRK | what size caps did you use? did you play with them at all? |
| 04:30:41 | scanline | telephone quality |
| 04:30:52 | scanline | didn't play with the caps as much as we played with the resistors |
| 04:31:00 | GoRK | right.. but i was having terrible distortion |
| 04:31:07 | scanline | Did you hear about our circuit simplification adventure? |
| 04:31:18 | scanline | the distortion is because the gain was way too high in the original circuit |
| 04:31:36 | GoRK | i played with the caps a little bit but it didnt help much |
| 04:31:46 | GoRK | why the hell would they design a pcb with all bad junk? |
| 04:32:06 | scanline | They probably played with the ucb1200 gain controls to get it to sound ok |
| 04:32:17 | scanline | but the lm386 is completely unnecessary |
| 04:32:40 | scanline | GPSFan and I are still refining the circuit |
| 04:32:46 | GoRK | heh awesome |
| 04:33:19 | scanline | We've got it down to 6 resistors, 5 capacitors, and no active components |
| 04:33:49 | GoRK | does it still have to take 5V ? |
| 04:33:59 | GoRK | and it still works ok? |
| 04:34:01 | scanline | The value of R2 is wrong (should be 150 ohms, GPSFan knows about it) but you can see a schematic at http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/shanip2.pdf |
| 04:34:06 | scanline | no, doesn't need 5v |
| 04:34:22 | scanline | It's just voltage dividers and capacitive coupling |
| 04:34:22 | GoRK | well just out of curiosity what size caps did you use in the original circut? |
| 04:34:31 | scanline | 10uf |
| 04:34:53 | GoRK | yes that's what i am using |
| 04:35:06 | scanline | take a look at the schematic, it's much simpler :) |
| 04:35:22 | scanline | The values of R5 and R6 need tweaking |
| 04:35:27 | scanline | I could use a second opinion :) |
| 04:35:35 | GoRK | i am not an electronics guru |
| 04:35:37 | scanline | though i know your shanip isn't on a breadboard |
| 04:35:42 | scanline | neither am I |
| 04:35:53 | scanline | I'm a freshman in computer engineering |
| 04:35:56 | GoRK | well i can build the simple one on a breadboard and fool with it |
| 04:36:07 | GoRK | i never went to college :) |
| 04:38:46 | scanline | Analog electronics are still kind of foreign for me, but I think I'm getting the hang of it |
| 04:38:55 | scanline | You will too, right! |
| 04:39:58 | GoRK | actually i should qualify that. i take classes at colleges whenever i want to learn something |
| 04:40:32 | scanline | So take some electronics ;) |
| 04:40:50 | GoRK | as it is i currently have enough to get several assosiciates degrees in various subjects, only i couldn't care about graduating... electronics is actually next on my list... maybe this spring |
| 07:40:26 | scanline | is away: sleep |
| 08:20:38 | StarKruzr | Got my TuxScreen! |
| 08:20:40 | StarKruzr | :D |
| 12:19:48 | pumpkin | is gonna reboot ... |
| 13:46:08 | pattieja | is back (gone 15:24:34) |
| 13:58:15 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:58:54 | SpaceCoaster | morning mr plague |
| 13:59:59 | GPSFan | 'morning |
| 14:00:22 | prpplague | everyone having fun breaking perfectly good code this morning? |
| 14:00:47 | lthekerne | I gues it is morning, that must be why I'm getting ready for work... |
| 14:01:34 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: todays the day I break the 16M barrier on the TuxScreen, might be a 72hour day tho' |
| 14:03:12 | MicroChip32 | prpplague, morning nuffin, we break code all day ;) |
| 14:03:40 | MicroChip32 | in fact, this morning i seem to have broken the compiler even |
| 14:03:49 | mallum | wonders why theres a page devoted to a commodore PET on the wiki ? |
| 14:04:06 | SpaceCoaster | good start |
| 14:05:34 | MicroChip32 | SpaceCoaster, is that comment to me ? |
| 14:05:55 | SpaceCoaster | MicroChip32: indeed! |
| 14:06:19 | MicroChip32 | hehe well, when the compiler refuses to compile "int main() { return 0; }" .... |
| 14:11:11 | prpplague | MicroChip32: doh |
| 14:11:31 | MicroChip32 | it keeps spitting out a 33 error code |
| 14:12:14 | MicroChip32 | thing is, right now its compiling it just fine |
| 14:12:19 | MicroChip32 | scratches his head |
| 14:12:53 | MicroChip32 | beats his linux server repeatedly with a windows how-to manual |
| 14:18:52 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : Pervert! |
| 14:22:46 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 14:23:05 | MicroChip32 | doesnt know wether to feel sorry for the linux box or the windows manual ;) |
| 14:27:36 | Tangent | MicroChip32 : neither... they were both asking for it ;) |
| 14:28:18 | MicroChip32 | rotfl, probably |
| 14:28:29 | MicroChip32 | well i know why the compile fails now anyway, or partly |
| 14:28:46 | lthekerne | is much nicer to his Linux box |
| 14:28:47 | MicroChip32 | it compiles fine in any directory other than the one its suppposed to |
| 14:29:42 | MicroChip32 | g'mornin kernel |
| 14:29:54 | thekernel | MicroChip32: I need to start getting autoconf and automake setup for my source tree |
| 14:31:07 | MicroChip32 | so whats the holdup? <G> |
| 14:31:34 | thekernel | I have no idea |
| 14:31:50 | thekernel | (That's the holdup, I don't know how to use the stuff) :) |
| 14:31:59 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 14:32:20 | MicroChip32 | lol, excuses excuses |
| 14:32:35 | thekernel | They're refuge for the weak you know |
| 14:32:51 | thekernel | excuses that is |
| 14:33:40 | thekernel | gotta go to work, see you guys in 20 min as kernelwork |
| 14:33:52 | MicroChip32 | yea ;) |
| 14:34:10 | MicroChip32 | hurry back ;) |
| 14:34:24 | MicroChip32 | dont let work take you away from the important things :) |
| 14:42:09 | prpplague | argh, my job is keeping me from getting any work done! |
| 14:44:57 | MicroChip32 | isnt that the way it always goes ? |
| 14:47:43 | CosmicPenguin | Morning all |
| 14:49:25 | kernelwork | Well, I'm back |
| 14:49:33 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: I'm sorry.... ;) |
| 14:51:11 | kernelwork | Well, you are the one who has to work with me |
| 14:52:58 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Yeah, well... you do good work.... |
| 14:53:20 | prpplague | if anyone here is thinking of geting a frontpath progear unit, don't... |
| 14:53:44 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, you wouldn't be so stupid as to put a CF slot on a device, and then make the PCI bridge only work with cardbus, would you? |
| 14:55:27 | boris | HEY EVERYBODY! |
| 14:55:42 | CosmicPenguin | BORIS! |
| 14:55:58 | boris | hi :) |
| 14:56:02 | CosmicPenguin | How goes things? |
| 14:56:16 | boris | not too bad |
| 14:56:20 | boris | snowed under wrt uni work |
| 14:56:56 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Isn't that always the way? |
| 14:57:15 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Then you get into the real world, and you're snowed under with other peoples work... :) |
| 14:57:28 | boris | heh |
| 14:57:32 | boris | atleast you get paid :) |
| 14:58:29 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: on the cardbus not working, for me it would depend on if I had knew what I was doing. If I were throwing together a board right now I'd probably mess it up in so many ways it wouldn't boot. |
| 14:58:54 | kernelwork | Wow, that was poor grammar |
| 14:59:12 | kernelwork | That's what I get for not paying enough attention to what I'm saying |
| 14:59:17 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: I have no idea what you just said |
| 14:59:32 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: everyone in this room is now stupider for having heard it, though..... |
| 14:59:37 | kernelwork | If I were designing a board right now I'd do worse than the shannon board |
| 15:00:47 | kernelwork | See your comment on me not being stupid enough to put CF on a device... |
| 15:01:20 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, doesn't matter..... |
| 15:01:37 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: I added theming to the window manager last night - so now I can start working on your applets... :) |
| 15:02:00 | kernelwork | Cool |
| 15:02:19 | Aelhaz | prpplague: out of curiosity, what's wrong with the frontpath progear? other than the fact that internet appliances obviously don't sell very well |
| 15:03:03 | mallum | [sort of OT] Is it tru a cardbus card won't work in an ISA->PCMCIA adaptor ? |
| 15:03:22 | Aelhaz | mallum: It won't even *fit in an isa->pcmcia adapter |
| 15:03:43 | Aelhaz | the end of the card is shaped differently in order to prevent you from doing it |
| 15:03:50 | Aelhaz | 'cause Bad Things would happen if you did |
| 15:05:03 | pattieja | is away: rebooting |
| 15:07:01 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: fire? |
| 15:08:04 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Not sure, actually |
| 15:08:20 | mallum | Aelhaz: I got this DWL-650 wireless card and it fits |
| 15:08:34 | mallum | Aelhaz: some people say the card is cardbus, some say it isn't |
| 15:08:37 | Aelhaz | mallum: I hear that D-Link has been calling those Cardbus |
| 15:09:25 | Aelhaz | mallum: Look at the connector-end of the card, label side up. on the left side, there are tabs top and bottom. on the right, just one tab on bottom |
| 15:09:32 | mallum | Aelhaz: yeah. but people say they've got it working on non-cardbus systems |
| 15:09:44 | Aelhaz | on a cardbus card, the tab on the right hand side is much thicker |
| 15:10:09 | mallum | Aelhaz: and it definetly fits in the isa adaptor, Linux picks it up but then moans and unloads it |
| 15:10:31 | Aelhaz | mallum: I've held those in my hand, and they definately looked like regular pcmcia to me |
| 15:10:32 | stein | Well I'm taking the plunge. Time to unlock this puppy. |
| 15:10:51 | Aelhaz | mallum: but I've not used one. Got anything there that takes cardbus? recent notebook? |
| 15:11:01 | Aelhaz | a cardbus card will show up as cardbus, and as a pci device |
| 15:11:05 | Aelhaz | under linux, I mean |
| 15:11:07 | stein | I've got a cardbus notebook. |
| 15:11:23 | stein | On it right now. In fact I've got a cardbus NIC as well. |
| 15:11:29 | mallum | Aelhaz: Can I msg you what dmesg gives me ? |
| 15:11:31 | Aelhaz | like this: |
| 15:11:32 | Aelhaz | [alhaz@puck alhaz]$ cardctl status |
| 15:11:32 | Aelhaz | Socket 0: |
| 15:11:32 | Aelhaz | 3.3V CardBus card |
| 15:11:32 | Aelhaz | function 0: [ready] |
| 15:12:09 | Aelhaz | mallum: sure |
| 15:12:43 | mallum | Intel i82365sl B step rev 00 ISA-to-PCMCIA at port 0x3e0 ofs 0x00 |
| 15:12:43 | mallum | host opts [0]: none |
| 15:12:43 | mallum | host opts [1]: none |
| 15:12:43 | mallum | ISA irqs (scanned) = 3,4,5,7 polling interval = 1000 ms |
| 15:12:44 | mallum | cs: memory probe 0x0d0000-0x0dffff: clean. |
| 15:12:44 | mallum | prism2: prism2.c 0.0.0 2001-09-27 (SSH Communications Security Corp,Jouni |
| 15:12:46 | mallum | +Malinen) |
| 15:12:48 | mallum | prism2: (c) SSH Communications Security Corp <jkm@ssh.com> |
| 15:12:50 | mallum | prism2: setting Vcc=33 (constant) |
| 15:12:52 | mallum | prism2: CS_EVENT_CARD_INSERTION |
| 15:12:54 | mallum | prism2_config() |
| 15:12:56 | mallum | prism2: setting Vcc=50 (from config) |
| 15:12:58 | mallum | CISTPL_MANFID: 0x0156, 0x0002 |
| 15:13:00 | mallum | Lucent-based card |
| 15:13:02 | mallum | Checking CFTABLE_ENTRY 0x01 (default 0x01) |
| 15:13:04 | mallum | prism2: GetNextTuple: No more items |
| 15:13:06 | mallum | prism2_release |
| 15:13:08 | mallum | release -> prism2_hw_shutdown |
| 15:13:10 | mallum | prism2: card not configured |
| 15:13:12 | mallum | release <- prism2_hw_shutdown |
| 15:13:15 | mallum | release: CardServices(Release*) done |
| 15:13:16 | mallum | release - done |
| 15:13:18 | mallum | prism2_detach |
| 15:13:30 | mallum | whoops, I think only the first line ended up in the msg |
| 15:13:34 | Aelhaz | yup |
| 15:13:36 | Aelhaz | oops |
| 15:13:39 | mallum | sorry 'bout that people |
| 15:13:48 | mallum | slaps head, kicks xchat |
| 15:13:50 | Aelhaz | I've never used the Datafellows (aka SSH Communications) driver |
| 15:14:05 | Aelhaz | doesn't trust datafellows, found so many obvious bugs in their windows ssh product . . . |
| 15:14:16 | prpplague | Aelhaz: the construction is terrible, they've loaded it with proprietary code, and their SDK documentation is akin to m$ style docs |
| 15:14:17 | mallum | Aelhaz: http://www.epitest.fi/Prism2/ |
| 15:14:26 | Aelhaz | mallum: yeah, I know what and where it is |
| 15:14:31 | Aelhaz | I just don't trust the company behind it |
| 15:14:51 | mallum | Aelhaz: ok, sorry misread you |
| 15:14:55 | Aelhaz | mallum: have you tried wvlan_cs or prism2_cs from wlanng? |
| 15:15:11 | mallum | Aelhaz: yeah, got the same error with them |
| 15:15:22 | Aelhaz | interesting |
| 15:15:28 | Aelhaz | maybe dlink is doing something screwey |
| 15:15:33 | mallum | Aelhaz: though I ran my orinoco and uDrive in the same slot with no probs |
| 15:15:50 | Aelhaz | generally cardbus cards have gold sheilding on the connector end, with a row of bumps, so visually they're very easy to identify |
| 15:16:11 | collord | hey, I remember these errors! |
| 15:16:20 | mallum | Aelhaz: from that dmesg though, it looks like its definetly picking it up |
| 15:16:26 | mallum | collord: you do ???? |
| 15:16:32 | Aelhaz | mallum: yeah, and then deciding it can't set it up or something |
| 15:17:01 | collord | mallum: yeah, running the DLink on an old Toshiba in PCIC mode. |
| 15:17:56 | collord | mallum: the only way was to change the Toshiba ToPIC95 to cardbus mode. |
| 15:18:11 | mallum | collord: via the bios right ? |
| 15:18:27 | collord | mallum: i tried hardcoding 3v into the driver where it configures |
| 15:18:32 | collord | mallum: yeah, the bios |
| 15:22:36 | mallum | collord: I wonder how I change that with an ISA-PCMCIA adaptor card though :( |
| 15:22:49 | collord | mallum: and a linksys Prism2 would work right away in that driver/hardware |
| 15:23:16 | collord | mallum: ha. sorry. that dlink is a weird duck. |
| 15:23:54 | mallum | collord: this dlink is cursed anyway. I had to jump through so many hoops to actually get the thing |
| 15:26:22 | mallum | collord: one of these -> http://www.gb.buy.com/stores/product.asp?STR=21&SKU=230107300 |
| 15:27:32 | Aelhaz | i hate ups. tracking info for something i ordered says it's scheduled for delivery today, but the package has been sitting in chicago since friday morning |
| 15:28:30 | Aelhaz | goes to work |
| 15:29:02 | stein | What is tuxscreen-kernel in /Download? |
| 15:30:00 | collord | mallum: yeah, WPC11 3.3v and 5v PCMCIA |
| 15:32:09 | mallum | collord: hmm, I wonder if I can convince buy.com that they sent me the wrong card ....? |
| 15:33:17 | collord | mallum: heh. unfort. the dlink has "cardbus" written all over it... |
| 15:34:29 | collord | mallum: amazing how much you blokes have to pay for these! |
| 15:35:00 | mallum | collord: yeah and I can gurantee it'll never be in stock |
| 15:35:13 | mallum | collord: wireless cards are like golddust over here |
| 16:04:08 | | Tangent: what? |
| 16:04:08 | Tangent | ibot buildroot-tux |
| 16:04:13 | | Tangent: huh? |
| 16:04:13 | Tangent | ibot buildroot |
| 16:05:44 | | russ|werk: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:05:44 | Russ|werk | ibot: buildroot? |
| 16:06:55 | bhima | yawns. |
| 16:06:56 | bhima | good morning. |
| 16:07:21 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Why don't you enligten our friend ibot? |
| 16:07:40 | | bhima: i'm not following you... |
| 16:07:40 | bhima | ibot: enlightenment |
| 16:07:42 | | Russ|werk: excuse me? |
| 16:07:42 | Russ|werk | ibot: buildroot kicks ass, thank andersee |
| 16:08:07 | | my pleasure CosmicPenguin |
| 16:08:07 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: buildroot is a kick ass development environment, thanks to andersee |
| 16:09:11 | | bugger all, i dunno, cosmicpenguin |
| 16:09:11 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: buildroot? |
| 16:09:30 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: buildroot is a kick ass development environment -- thank andersee |
| 16:10:43 | | bhima: i don't know |
| 16:10:43 | bhima | ibot: buildroot? |
| 16:11:39 | Russ|werk | he just heard "thank" |
| 16:12:13 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, and when I did a --, he took away some karma from himself.... |
| 16:12:38 | | ibot has karma of 3 |
| 16:12:38 | Russ|werk | ibot: karma ibot |
| 16:12:51 | | cosmicpenguin has neutral karma |
| 16:12:51 | Russ|werk | ibot: karma CosmicPenguin |
| 16:12:58 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin++ |
| 16:16:22 | scanline | is back (gone 08:35:55) |
| 16:22:53 | bhima | likes DeCSS stickers. |
| 16:22:56 | bhima | 's campus is full of them. |
| 16:23:06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i agree about buildroot, i'm going to switch all of our embedded systems over to buildroot |
| 16:30:55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yeah, its a quality system. There are a few issues - I think that you spend more time rebuilding than you need to, but for building distributions, it rules |
| 16:31:10 | stein | I think I will go crazy waiting for inferno to download. |
| 16:32:44 | Tangent | I will go crazy if I can't make buildroot work soon |
| 16:34:28 | Tangent | Am I the only person who has problems? |
| 16:34:51 | stein | I'll let you know. I'm not to that stage yet. |
| 16:35:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya its not a really suited for development, but its great for keeping things consistent |
| 16:35:39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm really bad about getting different versions of software mixed together |
| 16:35:58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I modified it for a project I'm doing here - it builds an embbeded distro for a new device I'm working on... |
| 16:36:35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: The device boots from a CF, so I added a "make disk" that automatically syncs the fileystem on the CF, and runs LILO automatically.... |
| 16:39:27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd doing something similiar with Disk-On-Moodule |
| 16:39:37 | prpplague | s/i'd/i'm |
| 16:42:15 | stein | Does anyone know if there is a way to read an Adpatec RW formatted CD with linux? |
| 16:43:58 | collord | stein: aren't they UDF? |
| 16:46:14 | stein | Well this disk isn't readable. When you load it on a windows machine it installs some software to allow you to read it. |
| 16:49:26 | stein | Doh. My kernel doesn't do UDF.. |
| 17:02:04 | stein | Wow.. how about that it worked. Thanks collord. |
| 17:03:39 | collord | stein: you just modprobe udf? or recompile? |
| 17:03:45 | stein | modprobe |
| 17:04:13 | MicroChip32 | notify thekernel GPS Tiger Data |
| 17:04:13 | stein | I'm planning on upgading to RedHat 7.2 sometime so this will work for now. |
| 17:04:18 | MicroChip32 | daggonit |
| 17:17:51 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: I'm here, you need something? |
| 18:01:54 | bhima | hrm. there doesn't seem to be that much source that really does the kind of mapping I want to do. |
| 18:02:10 | bhima | or maybe my google foo is weak. |
| 18:05:52 | kernelwork | gnima: what kind of mappign is that? |
| 18:06:01 | kernelwork | er um bhima, sorry |
| 18:06:36 | bhima | kernel: two things. want to do direction finding on a map, and want to generate a scrolling street map. |
| 18:06:59 | bhima | for the latter, I"ve found some stuff that looks close-ish, but not all the way there. |
| 18:07:00 | kernelwork | bhima: So what your saying is half of what you want to do I'm doing |
| 18:07:12 | bhima | kernel: probably :) |
| 18:07:22 | kernelwork | I'm generating my own street maps from Census Bureau data |
| 18:07:43 | bhima | yeah, that's what I am working with too. |
| 18:07:53 | kernelwork | right now I'm working on the software to put it in MAPDat format (my format) |
| 18:08:04 | bhima | I've only looked at the data briefly, but I found it to be fairly accurate. |
| 18:08:18 | bhima | at least in terms of position. |
| 18:08:30 | bhima | got any docs up about it? |
| 18:08:32 | kernelwork | I downloaded all 3.8GB of it |
| 18:08:52 | kernelwork | Yeah, I have them posted at http://linuxhost.cc/~tiger2k.pdf |
| 18:09:09 | kernelwork | I also wrote a php script that harvests the census data |
| 18:09:18 | kernelwork | That's only for the census data |
| 18:09:28 | bhima | "harvests"? You mean grabbing it from their site? |
| 18:09:41 | kernelwork | I havn't documented my MAPDat format yet because I havn't defined it all the way |
| 18:09:47 | kernelwork | Yeah, grabbing it. |
| 18:10:00 | bhima | URL not found :/ |
| 18:10:33 | bhima | So far I just fetch'ed one my county's data. I've also grabbed the full FCC database. |
| 18:10:44 | bhima | transmitters for the entire country :) |
| 18:11:01 | kernelwork | FCC? where |
| 18:11:19 | bhima | www.fcc.gov, then you want to find the ULS - universal licensing service stuff. |
| 18:11:28 | bhima | I think you click on WTB, then ULS. |
| 18:11:35 | bhima | It's like three clicks from fcc.gov. |
| 18:11:47 | bhima | you can also get a listing of the locaiton of every airport inthe country. |
| 18:15:52 | stein | Would a 12v car alarm battery suffice for the 12v to unlock a Shannon? |
| 18:22:39 | stein | Anyone? |
| 18:22:53 | kernelwork | Do you have a meeter to make sure its 12v? |
| 18:23:14 | kernelwork | 12v is 12v and it should work |
| 18:23:42 | stein | Its just sitting there and waiting for 12v. |
| 18:27:46 | stein | Ok.. the spring wasn't contacting the negative side of the battery. |
| 18:27:48 | stein | My bad. |
| 18:28:10 | stein | The upside is I didn't fry anything. |
| 18:30:13 | bhima | frying a tuxscreen would be depressing. |
| 18:30:41 | bhima | what are the other pins near the 12v ones? |
| 18:31:24 | stein | Dunno.. Right now the only ones not covered with tape are the 2 in question. |
| 18:34:59 | stein | Why is it that nothing ever seems to work the first time? |
| 18:36:08 | kernelwork | Blame murphy |
| 18:36:10 | AlHazWork | bogon count is too high |
| 18:36:16 | AlHazWork | if you're wearing a tie, get rid of it |
| 18:36:49 | prpplague | who knows, maybe the same reason if you have 4 screws holding something together, 3 will come out ok, but you'll strip the head on the 4th |
| 18:38:01 | stein | Any thoughts as to why bind would be telling me no free devices? |
| 18:46:20 | SpaceCoaster | Russ|werk: just tried the 2.4.10 kernel from you site and I drivers/video/video.o(.text+0x6210): undefined reference to `cpufreq_get' |
| 18:47:18 | SpaceCoaster | fixed with CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y |
| 18:47:18 | SpaceCoaster | defined |
| 18:48:07 | Russ | yah |
| 18:48:17 | Russ | its not really a problem of mine I don't think |
| 18:49:16 | SpaceCoaster | true, just wanted to let you know that someone had compiled it, hoping it might work when run at 0xd0000000 |
| 18:52:33 | Russ | lemme see if I can shoot off 2.4.13-ac4-rmk1-tux1 |
| 18:53:14 | Russ | did you try changing shannon.c? |
| 18:53:35 | | gork: i haven't a clue |
| 18:53:35 | GoRK | ibot what is buildroot |
| 18:53:36 | Russ | MACHINE_START(SHANNON, "Shannon (AKA: Tuxscreen)") |
| 18:53:37 | Russ | BOOT_MEM(0xc0000000, 0x80000000, 0xf8000000) |
| 18:53:37 | Russ | BOOT_PARAMS(0xc0000100) |
| 18:53:37 | Russ | MAPIO(shannon_map_io) |
| 18:53:37 | Russ | INITIRQ(sa1100_init_irq) |
| 18:53:37 | Russ | MACHINE_END |
| 18:54:31 | GoRK | Russ: how's it coming with the new kernel? |
| 18:54:44 | Russ | just downloaded patches |
| 18:54:50 | Russ | I have to merge out np |
| 18:55:19 | SpaceCoaster | Yeah, I changed the c's to d's and also TEXTADDR and RELADDR in arm/Makefile and arm/boot/Makefile but no dice, hangs after decompressing. |
| 18:55:51 | Russ | did you change blob too? |
| 18:55:51 | boris | Russ: do you live in the uk? |
| 18:55:55 | Russ | boris: no |
| 18:56:00 | boris | ok |
| 18:56:59 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: yes I changed blob main.h to start recognising memory at 0xd0000000 and it only reports 2x4M pages at 0xd0 and 0xd8, which is what I wanted. |
| 18:58:52 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: blob finds it and loads it, jumps to the decompression head.S which executes and decompresses into the correct locations, I'm getting close to being stumped. |
| 19:01:49 | Russ | how about some printk's? |
| 19:02:09 | stein | Well I've decided I am offically a moron and need to read up on serial devices. |
| 19:02:33 | SpaceCoaster | stein: well at least it's official :-) |
| 19:02:58 | stein | I'll got get it tattoed on my forehead after dinner. |
| 19:03:34 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: where do you think would be a good place to start? |
| 19:05:17 | Russ | where does it stop? |
| 19:06:33 | SpaceCoaster | after "Uncompressing Linux...done, booting the kernel." and before "Linux version..." |
| 19:08:06 | Russ | see where its uncompressing from/to |
| 19:08:27 | bhima | hmm. so what is the optimal way if you want to divide a street map of the US into nicely sized segments? |
| 19:08:49 | Russ | by alphabetical order of course |
| 19:08:58 | Russ | all the streets that start with a on one map.... |
| 19:09:12 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: you need to make sure the kernel has the low level debuging turned on and check this out http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/printascii.txt |
| 19:09:17 | MicroChip32 | lol rus |
| 19:09:19 | MicroChip32 | russ |
| 19:09:25 | bhima | uh huh. Perfect! NOw we just need to convince states to change all their street names to fit this... |
| 19:09:26 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: i check that and the addresses and start of the data at the from/to locations is what I would expect, it's same as piggy.gz and piggy |
| 19:10:03 | bhima | See, the thing is, I'd like to do things like have unique IDs for streets and intersections. |
| 19:10:15 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: tried a vmlinux? |
| 19:10:19 | bhima | If I use a fixed size, then some states, like, say, arizona, will waste fucktons of space. |
| 19:10:26 | Russ | so it goes directly to linux |
| 19:10:27 | stein | bhima: Why not use a grid like on a map you'd buy at a store? |
| 19:10:43 | bhima | for the exact reason I just mentioned :) |
| 19:10:44 | Russ | bhima: hey, phoenix is the largest metro area by square miles |
| 19:10:52 | MicroChip32 | bhima: so each state would have all roads named according to their state codes? cool <G> |
| 19:11:22 | bhima | microchip: no, we'd just take all the street names that exist, and give each state a list of them, and they can assign them how they want. |
| 19:11:27 | bhima | Kinda like redistricting :) |
| 19:11:33 | bhima | err, yeah. sorry. you're right. |
| 19:11:36 | bhima | isn't paying enough attention. |
| 19:11:48 | MicroChip32 | bhima: have you talked to kernelwork about what he and i are doing |
| 19:11:50 | stein | bhima Well if every street was named "Bob's Road" it would make things much simpler. |
| 19:11:59 | bhima | microchip: a bit earlier, yeah. |
| 19:12:00 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: I tried it but i couldn't get it to work at either C0 or D0 unless it was compressed |
| 19:12:29 | MicroChip32 | bhima: im going thru the docs on the data right now, sounds to me like it does just what your'e talkinga bout |
| 19:12:40 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: delete the "or D0" from the previous comment, D0 didn't work at all. |
| 19:12:43 | MicroChip32 | argh, dont mind my typting |
| 19:12:48 | MicroChip32 | s/t// |
| 19:12:54 | bhima | microchip: which data? The existing tiger line data? |
| 19:12:59 | MicroChip32 | yea |
| 19:13:06 | bhima | basically, I find the format that it's in to not be taht useful for the stuff I wanna do. |
| 19:13:09 | bhima | but I should read again and see. |
| 19:13:11 | prpplague | GoRK: you still here?? |
| 19:13:23 | bhima | (haven't read through the docs in a few months) |
| 19:13:43 | bhima | at the very least it's insanely verbose :) |
| 19:13:45 | kernelwork | bhima: It's not formatted well for what I want, that's why I'm writing a converter to put it in the form I want... |
| 19:13:52 | MicroChip32 | bhima true the format is kinda wacky, but the information seems to be what you need. striping out the info you want from the tiger data into your on database shouldnt be hard tho |
| 19:14:15 | MicroChip32 | hi kernelwork |
| 19:14:19 | bhima | kernel: does it include explicit intersections or not? |
| 19:14:27 | bhima | wonders about pittsburgh... |
| 19:14:46 | bhima | (lots and lots of hills. if two streets intersect, you can not guarantee that they do in real life) |
| 19:14:48 | kernelwork | bhima: No, but I'm sure you could do some math to find that :) |
| 19:14:52 | MicroChip32 | bhima: im sorta thinking of writing a custom flat-file type database driver to operate directly on the tiger files |
| 19:15:09 | bhima | kernel: that's what I thought, yes. |
| 19:15:29 | bhima | microchip: mmm. I was most definitely going to do that. just have a daemon sitting there and getting queries from apps that need it. |
| 19:15:40 | kernelwork | It would take some good coding, but I may end up doing that in the end with my stuff. |
| 19:16:08 | bhima | For the distances that we're dealing with, you don't need to worry about coordinate stuff much, AFAIK. |
| 19:16:10 | MicroChip32 | the alternate way, also simple, is to simple convert the tiger tables straight into tables for, say, mysql |
| 19:16:37 | kernelwork | I could have a PHP script written in a weekend that would do that if I felt like it. |
| 19:16:51 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: that page help any? |
| 19:16:52 | bhima | microchip: mmm. I contemplated that, but I think that the app is specific enough that mysql would provide overhead without a benefit. |
| 19:16:58 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork, convert, or to operate on directly ? |
| 19:17:06 | stein | Anyone on that knows much about InfernoRemote? |
| 19:17:11 | kernelwork | convert to MySQL |
| 19:17:24 | MicroChip32 | bhima so what are you trying to do with it? |
| 19:17:25 | kernelwork | other than the fact it's not installed on my phone? |
| 19:17:44 | MicroChip32 | heheh kernelwork, that could be a downside :) |
| 19:18:18 | bhima | microchip: not much different than you, I think. Map generation given (x1,y1,x2,y2), current street address, latitude/longitude of an arbitrary street address, direction finding. |
| 19:18:18 | kernelwork | My app is going to fit in the 4MB flash and only require CF for data files |
| 19:18:45 | MicroChip32 | yikes kernelwork, that sounds like a task |
| 19:18:46 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: hmmm, it locked up the regular kernel, at c0, gonna investigate |
| 19:18:53 | bhima | is going to have an ethernet connection to an 1.4GHz athlon in the trunk :) |
| 19:19:04 | bhima | OTOH, I am also interested in running this on my ipaq. |
| 19:19:18 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: I'm using CosmicPenguin's microwindows. I'll drop ViewML and that should give me all kinds of space |
| 19:19:29 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork, while youre at it, just make the whole thing small enough to run on a palmIIIx for me ;) |
| 19:19:33 | kernelwork | bhima: ipaq has so much more space |
| 19:19:48 | kernelwork | Sorry, palm can't run Linux |
| 19:19:54 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: hey, hey, hey... its not *my* Microwindows..... thats a MPLed project you know..... |
| 19:19:55 | bhima | I'm envisioning the ability to talk to somebody, get an address, note it, produce a map on the ipaq, and show it to them, and then enter it on my "to go to" list. |
| 19:19:58 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: You wouldn't be interested in upgrading that, would you? |
| 19:20:04 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Not true... palm does run Linux.... |
| 19:20:05 | Russ | kernelwork: there is a linux dragonball port |
| 19:20:06 | AlHazWork | kernelwork: yes it will, uClinux at least |
| 19:20:07 | bhima | THe Palm _can_ run linux. |
| 19:20:08 | GoRK | palm can run linux fine |
| 19:20:10 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork: to what ? |
| 19:20:16 | bhima | Just. umm. without a hardware MMU. |
| 19:20:21 | bhima | So it's functionally useless IMHO. |
| 19:20:22 | CosmicPenguin | Also, LinuxDA, though that is propriatary.... |
| 19:20:26 | kernelwork | I know it's not yours, but the environment has been put together by you. |
| 19:20:27 | Russ | bhima: thats uClinux |
| 19:20:39 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: I bought two busted IIIxe's in an effort to get one working IIIxe, I have a working IIIxe board w/o screen and in a busted case left over |
| 19:20:54 | bhima | I've got an ipaq that I stuck 128MB of DRAM in. So I have a bit more space for data :) |
| 19:20:55 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: should fit & work in a IIIx case |
| 19:20:56 | GoRK | i once had an install from some korean folks on my palm III that ran linux and also had a plamOS cosimulation layer on top so you could run your regular apps |
| 19:21:32 | GoRK | it was slow but not horridly slow. I imagine on newer palm's it would be usable |
| 19:21:41 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork, would it work with the 3x screen? and what do you want for it ? |
| 19:22:10 | kernelwork | Well, anyway, I'm still writing my App for Microwindows. I may put it on X for laptop users later. |
| 19:22:11 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: Yeah, it would work with a IIIx screen - $30 would recoup my investment in it |
| 19:23:09 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: The IIIxe case isn't visibly broken from the outside, and it does hold together, but some of the clips are broken, and two of the screw posts were broken |
| 19:23:19 | MicroChip32 | i might get back to ya on it AlHazWork, right now im trying to come up with $$ for a tux first |
| 19:23:33 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: understood - just thought i'd throw it out there |
| 19:23:42 | bhima | kernel: have you found any code that generates nice looking maps? |
| 19:24:04 | bhima | oh, I was also thinking of adding altitude based on DEM data. |
| 19:24:06 | kernelwork | No, I'll be writing it myself |
| 19:24:39 | MicroChip32 | bhima thats something id like to do to, if i can find a source of good dem data w/o paying an arm and 3 legs for it |
| 19:24:58 | bhima | micro: I thought I'd found some that was free and moderate resolution. |
| 19:25:07 | kernelwork | You don't have a tuxscreen so you don't even have one ARM |
| 19:26:09 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork right now im also looking for a good lcd display thats cheap/free and comes with docs on communicating with it |
| 19:26:15 | MicroChip32 | i have a screen but no docs |
| 19:26:34 | bhima | gonna have to figure out how to make a scrolling map display that works nicely. things like street coloring, name placement, and how you scroll the map without changing that any more than needed. |
| 19:26:43 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork the palm is essentially the same processor as the tux aint it |
| 19:27:08 | bhima | (ie: if you scroll the map 25% in one direction, even if there is a new optimal place to put the legends, if the previous placement isn't _too_ bad, you should keep it) |
| 19:27:16 | bhima | microchip: uhh. nope. |
| 19:27:25 | bhima | the palm is the chip from the original mac. |
| 19:27:26 | MicroChip32 | arent they both dragon series |
| 19:27:31 | bhima | no. |
| 19:27:32 | GoRK | MicroChip32: is the usgs 1:250,000 dem data not good enough? |
| 19:27:53 | MicroChip32 | GoRK is that the 1 meter data? |
| 19:27:56 | CosmicPenguin | MicroChip32: They are as different the x86 and 68K.... |
| 19:27:57 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: printascii(buf+3) inserted into printk() hangs the regular kernel too, help Mr Wizard. |
| 19:27:59 | bhima | 133MHz RISC CPU vs. 20 to 30 MHz CISC CPU? |
| 19:28:18 | bhima | architecturally and behaviourally they are totally different. |
| 19:28:19 | GoRK | MicroChip32: no that's the 1:25K data... only it doesnt mesh seamlessly |
| 19:28:38 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: hmm, it worked for me quite well, let me check my notes |
| 19:28:48 | GoRK | the 1:250K data is seamless and is good enough for most GPS things i have found.. |
| 19:28:57 | MicroChip32 | gork the little bit of 1meter data that i played with fits together nicely |
| 19:29:24 | GoRK | MicroChip32: it won't over larger areas i have found.. what apps were you using it in? |
| 19:29:37 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: hmm looks like something got broken, heres some code from erikm |
| 19:29:38 | prpplague | Hmm, printk() got rewritten so the old hack doesn't work anymore. Try |
| 19:29:38 | prpplague | this patch: |
| 19:29:38 | prpplague | Index: kernel/printk.c |
| 19:29:38 | prpplague | =================================================================== |
| 19:29:39 | prpplague | RCS file: /home/erik/cvsroot/elinux/kernel/printk.c,v |
| 19:29:39 | prpplague | retrieving revision 1.1.1.94 |
| 19:29:41 | prpplague | diff -u -r1.1.1.94 printk.c |
| 19:29:42 | MicroChip32 | GoRK i wrote my own to convert the raster data to a bmp |
| 19:29:43 | prpplague | --- kernel/printk.c 2001/09/12 02:00:04 1.1.1.94 |
| 19:29:45 | prpplague | +++ kernel/printk.c 2001/09/18 16:32:33 |
| 19:29:47 | prpplague | @@ -412,6 +412,8 @@ |
| 19:29:49 | prpplague | printed_len = vsnprintf(printk_buf, sizeof(printk_buf), fmt, args); |
| 19:29:51 | prpplague | va_end(args); |
| 19:29:53 | prpplague | |
| 19:29:53 | MicroChip32 | EEEKKK |
| 19:29:55 | prpplague | + printascii(printk_buf); |
| 19:29:57 | prpplague | + |
| 19:29:59 | prpplague | /* |
| 19:30:01 | prpplague | * Copy the output into log_buf. If the caller didn't provide |
| 19:30:03 | prpplague | * appropriate log level tags, we insert them here |
| 19:30:05 | prpplague | Note: this is *untested* code! |
| 19:30:11 | Russ | that works iirc |
| 19:30:29 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: thanks for the spam, sorry folks |
| 19:30:36 | Russ | oi, I really need a faster computer/drive, this kernel stuff takes too long |
| 19:30:38 | MicroChip32 | GoRK the area i dealt with was like a 5x5 block of 1 meter data |
| 19:30:40 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: I have some old laptop screens, and a Sharp electro-luminescent display, but don't have any docs |
| 19:30:42 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: sorry |
| 19:30:44 | prpplague | sorry |
| 19:30:50 | bhima | ack. missed anything anybody said before the spam. |
| 19:31:01 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: don't apologise it might get the 32M working! |
| 19:31:05 | prpplague | i meant to send that as a msg |
| 19:31:25 | bhima | 32MB SODIMMs being made functional? |
| 19:31:30 | MicroChip32 | beats bhima over the head with a MS how-to manual |
| 19:31:35 | bhima | likes the sound of that :) |
| 19:31:41 | bhima | *ouch* |
| 19:31:54 | bhima | MS how to? I'm confused? that won't help me. |
| 19:32:10 | bhima | I'm running screen and for whatever reason it doesn't like scrollback in this setup. |
| 19:32:17 | MicroChip32 | make ya remember to send spam the right way next time ;) |
| 19:33:04 | GoRK | MicroChip32: ahh well in some areas the data i know does fit together.. in the tx panhandle it certainly doesn't without some serious software :) |
| 19:33:57 | MicroChip32 | GoRK interesting. the data i had overlapped by a half dozen rasters in most places. my software handled it nicely |
| 19:34:36 | MicroChip32 | all written in perl i might add |
| 19:35:58 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork the display i have is an LM-DK55-22NSK which i ~think~ might be sharp, but dunno |
| 19:36:31 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: Sounds like one |
| 19:36:54 | AlHazWork | the EL display is real pretty, but only shows one intensity of amber. |
| 19:37:17 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: So it is pretty in a monochrome sort of way? |
| 19:38:34 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: it's Sanyo, actually, just searched around for it |
| 19:38:40 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Yep |
| 19:38:56 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: It's like old amber hercules monitors, without all the bulk & ghosting |
| 19:39:08 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork cool, did you happen to find docs on it ? |
| 19:39:11 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: hmm, your not going to like this, it hangs, I have Kernel low-level debugging functions defined |
| 19:39:36 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Pretty cool - though its hard to do gui in 2 colors |
| 19:40:13 | AlHazWork | MicroChip32: Not exactly - http://www.eio.com/public/lcd.1998/0664.html |
| 19:40:18 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Yup |
| 19:40:20 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: man thats odd |
| 19:40:41 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: It's in a nice aircraft aluminum case with a 386sx stuck to the back and an infrared touchscreen stuck to the front |
| 19:40:52 | AlHazWork | the touchscreen is . . . . silly. |
| 19:41:11 | AlHazWork | 64 ir led's across the top, 64 across the right side. 64 ir detectors across the bottom and the left |
| 19:41:16 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: go for brut force, but printk's all in the initial code |
| 19:41:17 | AlHazWork | and the controller gives you X and Y |
| 19:41:21 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: That sounds like fun...... |
| 19:41:26 | AlHazWork | from 0,0 to 64,64 |
| 19:41:57 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: there's two megs of flash on it, but the flash stops working if you put more than 10 megs of ram in it for some reason |
| 19:42:21 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Linux I assume? |
| 19:42:34 | AlHazWork | has a notebook-formfactor ide header on it |
| 19:42:51 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Nope, runs DR-DOS at the moment. Used to be part of a warehouse inventory system |
| 19:43:29 | AlHazWork | the bios on the sbc sets up the flash as a virtual read-only floppy drive |
| 19:44:09 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Cool.... I was just working on a DOS CF today..... funny how you forget simple commands after so many years |
| 19:45:53 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 19:46:05 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: and i keep hitting alt-f2 to get to the next VT when i'm in dos . . . |
| 19:46:20 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork thanks for the url |
| 19:46:33 | MicroChip32 | GoRK, wanna see some results of my software ? |
| 19:48:43 | MicroChip32 | bbiab |
| 19:51:23 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: care for a "wonder if it builds" release of 2.4.13-ac4-rmk1-tux1? |
| 19:51:45 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Speaking of that, do you know of any place in the SLC area to pick up a EPROM burner? |
| 19:52:52 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Not really, sorry |
| 19:54:12 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: yes please but I suspect that my firewall stopped it, email derek@technicaltoys.net, thanks |
| 19:54:30 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/patch-2.4.13-ac4-rmk1-tux1.gz |
| 19:54:40 | Russ | warning: don't trust this patch |
| 19:55:00 | bhima | hrm. gotta go. |
| 19:55:59 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: thanks |
| 19:56:14 | Russ | it at least looks like it builds |
| 19:56:34 | Russ | lemme check what missing symbols |
| 20:01:46 | Niddix | I know this pales with other problems right noww however, can someone help me with InfernoRemote? I can't seem to get it working so I can install linux. |
| 20:04:03 | SpaceCoaster | Niddix sounds like an important problem to me, someone trying to install linux! |
| 20:04:03 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: Whats up? |
| 20:04:28 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: my fine feathered friend so succinctly put. |
| 20:04:32 | Russ | SpaceCoaster: still building..... |
| 20:04:46 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Thanks...... :) |
| 20:05:14 | CosmicPenguin | s/Niddix: Whats up?/Niddix: Whats you problem/ |
| 20:05:29 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: bind is telling me no free devices. However I know I have 2 serial ports. |
| 20:05:42 | CosmicPenguin | Are your running as root? |
| 20:05:55 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: I am inferno |
| 20:05:59 | CosmicPenguin | (check it out, I transposed you and your in two completely different comments) |
| 20:06:15 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: Does inferno have read write permissions on /dev/ttyS0? |
| 20:06:48 | Russ | the link |
| 20:06:53 | Russ | and....its good |
| 20:07:33 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: crw-rw-rw- |
| 20:08:03 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: Ok//// |
| 20:08:14 | CosmicPenguin | ARGH! Is nothing going right today??????? |
| 20:09:17 | scanline | Niddix: Check your inittab for a getty running on ttyS0 |
| 20:09:33 | scanline | or run 'lsof | grep ttyS0' |
| 20:09:35 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: cool, got a bit of downloading to do before I can play with it. |
| 20:10:31 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: Doh.. nevermind.. I was reading ttyS1 (where my modem is.. ) I did not have rw access to ttyS0. |
| 20:10:58 | Niddix | help /voice |
| 20:11:44 | scanline | Argh, I need a bigger hard disk... |
| 20:11:48 | Niddix | CosmicPenguin: In other words.. its working and I am an idiot. |
| 20:11:59 | scanline | I have 16 MB free |
| 20:12:15 | CosmicPenguin | Niddix: Don't worry about it, I did the same thing myself when I installed Inferno |
| 20:15:41 | Niddix | Woohoo I'm in.. (It didn't like 115200) |
| 20:17:08 | SpaceCoaster | Russ: X didn't work with the 2.4.10 kernel, didn't like the touchscreen, even at the new major/minor (14/10?). |
| 20:18:15 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Cat you cat the device and get garbage on the screen? |
| 20:19:25 | CosmicPenguin | I guess the regexp would be s/Cat(.*)/Can$1/ |
| 20:19:27 | CosmicPenguin | Right? |
| 20:19:37 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: do you remember what the devices are? |
| 20:20:08 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but that doesn't help with the 2.4.10 kernel..... Are you still using /dev/ucb1200-ts? |
| 20:21:00 | AlHazWork | http://dailynews.netscape.com/mynsnews/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=50380&id=200110310918000205745 <-- SanDisk sues half a dozen companies for manufacturing compactflash |
| 20:21:02 | SpaceCoaster | I meant the major/minor for the 2.4.10 kernel, X uses /dev/ts (and I wish we did too!). |
| 20:21:33 | AlHazWork | 11,0 isn't it? |
| 20:21:45 | AlHazWork | I could look |
| 20:21:53 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Sorry, I haven't build 2.4.10 yet |
| 20:24:42 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: I think it changed in 2.4.10, our UCB1200 became a misc device 10/14 |
| 20:24:47 | AlHazWork | ah |
| 20:25:52 | scanline | Hey, this CF card says 'lifetime warranty'. We could use them for swap space! |
| 20:26:03 | AlHazWork | half the entertainment industry is sueing ReplayTV. serves 'em right for using vxworks. |
| 20:26:29 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: I thought ReplayTV was Microsoft??? |
| 20:26:45 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: no, Microsoft's box is Ultimate TV |
| 20:26:53 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, thats right |
| 20:27:01 | AlHazWork | and it has no mpeg encoder |
| 20:29:59 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: hurry up and build it, the touchscreens broken! |
| 20:30:24 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Sorry, I'm in a broken state of my own.... |
| 20:30:46 | CosmicPenguin | Did the new build miss the codec reset? EVen if the driver is new, the Tuxscreen demands that the codec be reset.... |
| 20:31:07 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: I'm new here which one is the "Broken State"? |
| 20:31:20 | Niddix | Why would rdp not be able to create a file? |
| 20:31:29 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: hang on I may need to configure something in the kernel |
| 20:32:01 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: what do you mean by broken state? |
| 20:32:29 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, me.... Yeah, my kernel has been hacked a little too much, and I haven't had much time to restore my buildroot to a working state yet |
| 20:33:25 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: well we live in "The Granite State", Florida is the "Sunshine State", just wondered which one was the "Broken State", Alabama? |
| 20:33:51 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I dunno... but Utah could be at the top of that list... Wyoming too..... |
| 20:36:06 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: I think that they fixed Utah for the Olympics, no ones in Wyoming to know if it's broken or not. |
| 20:37:11 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: nothing worse that a really dirty kernel |
| 20:37:41 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: ? |
| 20:39:48 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: you were saying how you kernel was hacked up a little too much |
| 20:40:23 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: in 2.4.10 don't forget to select your "Multimedia Capabilities Port drivers" the you get a touchscreen. |
| 20:40:47 | CosmicPenguin | Ok.... |
| 20:41:24 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: oh, sorry, yeah, I guess I can't see the funny side of kernels at the moment! |
| 20:42:09 | Niddix | 9600 baud is too sloooooooow |
| 20:42:24 | scanline | Niddix: Backing up inferno? |
| 20:43:01 | Niddix | yeah |
| 20:43:21 | scanline | I thought about how long it would take and decided it wasn't worth it |
| 20:43:44 | scanline | Besides, Linux now can do most of the things the original Inferno software can |
| 20:43:51 | Niddix | Well its been going 5 minutes now and the progress bar has moved an inch. |
| 20:43:57 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: and more... :) |
| 20:44:00 | scanline | yep |
| 20:44:05 | scanline | Niddix: The progress bar lies |
| 20:44:12 | Niddix | nod.. But I always make backups ! |
| 20:44:31 | scanline | hehe. Aren't there inferno images on tuxscreen.net? |
| 20:44:37 | Niddix | Acept for file server upgrades.. I don't bother with backups then. |
| 20:45:09 | scanline | wants an 80GB drive |
| 20:47:08 | Niddix | Would a tux be able to drive a PCMCIA SCSI card? |
| 20:48:11 | scanline | if it's a 3.3v card |
| 20:48:21 | AlHazWork | or if you modified your tux to support 5v pcmcia |
| 20:48:30 | scanline | There's a hardware hack to make 5v work, but it's untested so far |
| 20:48:53 | kernelwork | got a 60GB last month. |
| 20:48:54 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: should cat < /dev/ts do something? |
| 20:49:54 | kernelwork | yes |
| 20:50:09 | CosmicPenguin | Try cat /dev/ts |
| 20:50:11 | Niddix | I've got a drivepack here with 3 30gig disks and a CR-RW just waiting. |
| 20:50:45 | AlHazWork | might not quite have the pcmcia bandwidth to make that happy, but i don't think anyone has actually tried it |
| 20:50:49 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: I think the new touchscreen ucb1200 stuff is good, much more maintainable, which is good because it needs some maintenance :-) |
| 20:51:16 | Niddix | Well just for laughs.. I will. As soon as I find that SCSI card.. |
| 20:51:19 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: hehe... so true. |
| 20:51:37 | CosmicPenguin | But hey, the GMate folks think its ready for prime time..... |
| 20:52:15 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: none of the brightness/contrast/touchscreen etc, stuff works, e.g. |
| 20:52:17 | SpaceCoaster | # cat < /dev/ts |
| 20:52:18 | SpaceCoaster | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000026 |
| 20:53:27 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Doh! |
| 20:53:46 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Don't forget, we have to add back in the brigness/contrast stuff ourselves... thats platform dependent |
| 20:54:47 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: I think it's been done, just in a better (different) way, not complaining just pointing it out. |
| 21:02:47 | signal11 | there was a great space coaster mention on fc last week |
| 21:04:38 | tgsc | signal11: hi, what's fc? |
| 21:06:09 | MicroChip32 | 0,15 (14) 12kernelwork0 (14) what objects did you define for the tiger data ? |
| 21:08:55 | kernelwork | My structures and functions that fill them take all fields from the files |
| 21:10:16 | MicroChip32 | 0,15 (14) 12kernelwork0 (14) ummm lemme rephrase... did you define objects such as point, line/chain, or polygon ? |
| 21:10:31 | MicroChip32 | or not dealing with oop stuff |
| 21:10:40 | kernelwork | I'm not doing objects |
| 21:10:46 | MicroChip32 | ah k |
| 21:10:50 | kernelwork | Linked lists and that sort of thing though. |
| 21:11:12 | MicroChip32 | hmmmm. are you familiar with oop stuff ? |
| 21:13:50 | signal11 | fc is http://www.fuckedcompany.com/ |
| 21:14:10 | signal11 | it posts information about companies, especially dot coms, that are going out of business |
| 21:17:31 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: I can do OOP, I just don't feel like it |
| 21:17:56 | MicroChip32 | 0,15 (14) 12kernelwork0 (14) hehehe ok, i might try some that way |
| 21:18:11 | MicroChip32 | 0,15 (14) 12kernelwork0 (14) do you know perl at all, aka would you understand basic perl code |
| 21:18:24 | kernelwork | Besides, I could overbloat my code by using OOP for doing things as simple as sorting lists |
| 21:18:39 | MicroChip32 | ot - is my nick-highlighter ok in here ? |
| 21:18:40 | kernelwork | I can read most sensible languages, perl is one of them. |
| 21:18:55 | kernelwork | Is that what that is? |
| 21:19:01 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe how about obfuscated perl ;) |
| 21:19:19 | kernelwork | It all depends, do you feel like today is a good day to die? |
| 21:19:47 | MicroChip32 | die? is that ref the nick highlight, or the obfuse perl ? |
| 21:20:00 | kernelwork | perl |
| 21:20:04 | scanline | the nick hilight ;) |
| 21:20:11 | MicroChip32 | hehehe **hiding his obfuscated perl code stuff** |
| 21:20:59 | MicroChip32 | shines his flashlight on scanline's nick ... there, hows that ? <G> |
| 21:21:11 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork:I had no idea you were a Perl basher..... ehehe -- sharpening my claws -- |
| 21:21:55 | scanline | kernelwork: I will rabidly defend perl as well |
| 21:22:10 | MicroChip32 | thinks in perl, often in obfuscated perl ;) |
| 21:22:36 | kernelwork | No, I just don't like any obfuscated code |
| 21:23:02 | MicroChip32 | hehehe i hear ya, i love writing it, but reading it is a pain indeed |
| 21:23:46 | kernelwork | Noone debugs obfuscated code, they just write it again until they get it right or pick up good coding habits. |
| 21:24:08 | MicroChip32 | i try to write most of my code very clear and concise, often at the expense of efficiency. but at least i can understand it better when i see it again in 6 months ;) |
| 21:24:35 | MicroChip32 | and thats in any language |
| 21:25:10 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork: have you gotten anything that actually puts any lines in map-ish form yet ? |
| 21:25:11 | kernelwork | If I have an API that is C++ or OOP lends itself to the task at hand I'll use it. |
| 21:25:26 | kernelwork | hehe, That's funny |
| 21:25:34 | kernelwork | You have CVS access, you tell me... |
| 21:25:43 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Thats funny, since you haven't submitted any code of any type yet.... |
| 21:26:21 | kernelwork | Cosmic doesn't think I'll produce anything. I have been to busy with other stuff ever since I started working here to do anything... |
| 21:26:44 | kernelwork | Though, my '74 bug runs much better these days |
| 21:26:46 | MicroChip32 | hehehe kernelwork ;) |
| 21:27:42 | kernelwork | I have the functions to import the data from TIGER RT1 files. |
| 21:28:11 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork i cant make it compile, dont see any make file, and it cant find inc's |
| 21:28:14 | kernelwork | and I'm in process of importing the TIGER RT2 data and filling the chainpoints_s structure |
| 21:28:38 | kernelwork | That's because I don't have a makefile system or even a main.c for that matter |
| 21:28:43 | MicroChip32 | what form are you storing the data in ? |
| 21:28:53 | kernelwork | I fear the first time I compile that |
| 21:29:18 | kernelwork | I'm going to output MAPDat format. I hope noone else is using that name already. |
| 21:29:25 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 21:29:35 | MicroChip32 | custom format? |
| 21:29:50 | kernelwork | I havn't fully defined the MAPDat format, that's really going to have to depend on how much I decide to pull out from TIGER/Line |
| 21:31:17 | kernelwork | It'll be an optimised binary format |
| 21:31:36 | MicroChip32 | hmm |
| 21:33:56 | kernelwork | I hope it won't be too bad going between X86 and ARM |
| 21:34:21 | kernelwork | Just gotta make sure everything ends up word aligned |
| 21:35:01 | kernelwork | I would also like to make output plugins so anyone can take the tigerdata and do whatever they want with it. |
| 21:35:37 | MicroChip32 | API |
| 21:36:22 | MicroChip32 | bbl, food calls ;) |
| 21:43:20 | hypaStyle | so how is the phone daemon going does anyone know the current status ? |
| 21:45:30 | debug_ | lol |
| 21:48:33 | CosmicPenguin | hypaStyle: It seems to be working pretty well..... |
| 21:49:38 | CosmicPenguin | hypaStyle: If you ever doubt it, remember - GoRK is the *man*! |
| 21:49:56 | ProtWork | *lol* |
| 21:50:37 | hypaStyle | gork and bzflag were both working on competing daemons right |
| 21:50:55 | hypaStyle | where can i get a copy of the daemon |
| 21:51:13 | scanline | hypaStyle: Latest version of the daemon is in CVS |
| 21:51:54 | hypaStyle | the one mentioned at tuxscreen.com ? |
| 21:52:46 | scanline | I don't know.. it's the one that GoRK, CosmicPenguin, and I hacked on |
| 21:53:20 | scanline | it has GoRK's phone code, so it works as you'd expect a phone to work. It has code from CosmicPenguin and I to do networking |
| 21:53:35 | hypaStyle | cool what kind of networking features ? |
| 21:54:06 | scanline | clients can connect to it and send commands and recieve events |
| 21:54:19 | scanline | there are example programs to dial the phone and monitor events |
| 21:54:25 | scanline | I wrote a simple PicoGUI frontend |
| 21:54:29 | scanline | and I think other GUIs are in work |
| 21:54:30 | hypaStyle | cool |
| 21:54:43 | scanline | I need to improve the PicoGUI frontend... |
| 21:58:02 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Yeah, I had to do some long over do hacking on the window manager, but I am almost ready to start my frontend.... |
| 21:58:23 | CosmicPenguin | I still need to add applet support so I can have a little status monitor in the corner... |
| 21:58:24 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: Good luck! How are you doing the UI? |
| 21:58:42 | scanline | PicoGUI has applet support, but the TuxScreen isn't using it at the moment |
| 21:58:48 | scanline | needs to write a new launcher app |
| 21:58:51 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: I don't know yet... I am still debating it in my mind...... |
| 21:59:25 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: the PicoGUI frontend shows a toolbar at the bottom of the screen with phone status |
| 21:59:49 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Yeah, thats probably what I'll start with, then I will definately have a window pop up when the phone rings.... |
| 22:00:09 | CosmicPenguin | I want an huge "IGNORE" button, so I can stop the phone from ringing when I don't want to talk to people... |
| 22:00:30 | scanline | Ooh. Good idea. I haven't done much with the incoming call support in my frontend |
| 22:00:40 | scanline | I need to find a way to simulate an incoming call for testing |
| 22:00:42 | CosmicPenguin | And I'll probably have a virtual keypad. That should fill my time nicely.... |
| 22:00:45 | scanline | has an idea |
| 22:00:48 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: No cell phone? |
| 22:01:02 | scanline | no cell phone. I'm a college student, and I don't sell drugs ;) |
| 22:01:13 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: good point.... |
| 22:01:19 | scanline | how about a replacement tuxphone daemon that can simulate events on command? |
| 22:01:35 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: thats a good idea, maybe something from the command line? |
| 22:01:38 | scanline | yeah |
| 22:01:47 | scanline | so you could minicom into the tuxscreen and give 'ring' commands and such |
| 22:02:51 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: And sometime soon I want to add a stdin/stdout interface to the deamon so we can access it with scripts (bash and such.....) |
| 22:03:06 | scanline | that would be cool |
| 22:03:07 | CosmicPenguin | Because not all languages handle sockets very well..... |
| 22:03:31 | GoRK | hypaStyle: i think the "competition" was from lenolium. I was just writing an app that made the phone work. It wasnt a daemon until cosmicpenguin put daemon features in it and then scanline and he have been hacking on it since then... |
| 22:03:41 | scanline | it would be a little 'glue' program that sends events to stdout and commands on stdin? |
| 22:03:44 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, I'm all talk and no code at the moment..... I've got too much work to do.... |
| 22:04:05 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: It could even be part of the deamon... just another FD to poll, really.... |
| 22:04:13 | GoRK | which reminds me... has anyone committed the new code to cvs?? |
| 22:04:31 | GoRK | since i was out of town i dont even know if i have a current copy of it |
| 22:04:38 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, but if it was a separate program you could have multiple such scripts running at once and they wouldn't need to launch tuxphone themselves |
| 22:04:50 | scanline | GoRK: I did |
| 22:04:51 | GoRK | i wanted to write the hold functions and remote dtmf on it in the next day or two |
| 22:05:03 | scanline | BZFlag gave be CVS access |
| 22:05:03 | GoRK | scanline: into tuxscreen cvs, right? if so, good :) |
| 22:05:12 | scanline | yep |
| 22:05:26 | scanline | i'm keeping the pgtuxphone frontend in PicoGUI CVS though |
| 22:05:43 | GoRK | awesome... well im going to implement remote dtmf decode and that will get passed out as events... |
| 22:05:51 | scanline | nice |
| 22:06:18 | scanline | some of the things I'd like are remote volume control/readout and a command to take the speakerphone on/off hook |
| 22:06:32 | GoRK | oh and parallel set detection (has to be done for hold) |
| 22:07:05 | GoRK | yeah we also need to implement commands to set dialing mode, turn mute on and off, etc |
| 22:07:11 | GoRK | from the clients |
| 22:07:12 | scanline | BTW, I haven't seen GPSFan yet today but I've got some resistor values I'm happy with. The volume for both the phone and the ucb1200 are diminished, but they are pretty evenly matched and there's no distortion |
| 22:07:34 | GoRK | all those are settings in the s_phone struct iirc |
| 22:08:14 | GoRK | yes that was what i was thinking in the shower this morning... is that the levels off of the ucb1200 are overdriving the speaker so the phone audio is not coming out at all |
| 22:08:22 | scanline | It would be neat if we could find a way to get the ucb1200 audio on the actual phone line (right now it's all in the DSP) so I can order pizza via 802.11b on my laptop :) |
| 22:08:22 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: If you get overwhelemed, toss together a TODO file and stick it in CVS.... :) |
| 22:09:19 | CosmicPenguin | <yelling> "No! I said extra cheese, not extra grease!" |
| 22:09:24 | scanline | haha |
| 22:09:27 | CosmicPenguin | Damn voip... ;) |
| 22:09:31 | scanline | yeah, I'd have to make sure the levels are right :) |
| 22:09:49 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: lower volume is probly good we are only 1/2 way on the UCB1200 gain control |
| 22:09:50 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: i may put in a TODO for the networking part of things... That way i can continue to work with the DSP :) ... i have some ideas for integrating the shanip features into tuxphone |
| 22:10:21 | MicroChip32 | 0,15 (14) 12kernelwork0 (14) what format are the lat/lon values in? |
| 22:10:32 | GoRK | actually we could get audio onto the line via ucb1200 telecom interface |
| 22:10:42 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: Yeah. i'll give GPSFan the new resistor values next time I see him |
| 22:11:03 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Careful with the shanip stuff... then I will have to pull out a soldering iron, and I don't think anyone will feel comfortable with that... :) |
| 22:11:09 | scanline | GoRK: Ooh. do we have a driver for that yet? |
| 22:11:25 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: But the new circuit is so simple! |
| 22:11:41 | GoRK | scanline: i dont know.. the yopy and a bunch of other linux projects have ucb1[123]00's so i cant imagine that someone isnt doing something... |
| 22:11:50 | scanline | yep |
| 22:11:56 | GoRK | there's also an opensource software modem in the simputer project that might work for us |
| 22:12:03 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Is it one joint thats the shape and size of a quarter? |
| 22:12:08 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: They are in NAD83 |
| 22:12:25 | CosmicPenguin | If not, I might not be able to do it... :) |
| 22:12:34 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: Umm... maybe if your solder happens to have very strange electrical characteristics |
| 22:12:36 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: maybe if we can get it simple enough we can offer premade boards with everything already soldered on and color coded wires coming off to make it easy for people to install |
| 22:12:40 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork, no i mean like are they degrees and decimal minutes, or degrees minutes declimal seconds, or what ? |
| 22:13:05 | MicroChip32 | s/declimal/decimal/ |
| 22:13:18 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: NAD83 is decimal degrees multiplied by 1,000,000 |
| 22:13:21 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I would happily pay for someting like that |
| 22:13:52 | scanline | GoRK: Or small boards with surface mount resistors/caps that could attach to the board right next to the ucb1200, with little arrows indicating where to solder |
| 22:14:13 | kernelwork | (deg + (min/60)) * 1000000 gives NAD 83 |
| 22:14:20 | scanline | you could get this thing down really tiny with surface mount |
| 22:14:21 | kernelwork | It's soemthing like that |
| 22:14:23 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork ok so if i divided by 1m id have integer degrees and decimal minutes right |
| 22:14:46 | GoRK | scanline: either way :) |
| 22:14:51 | MicroChip32 | well no fractional minutes |
| 22:15:03 | kernelwork | Right, but I'm going to work in straight NAD83 on the device because integer math is quicker than floating point |
| 22:15:04 | MicroChip32 | fractional degrees? argh, i know what i mean, do you ? |
| 22:15:24 | MicroChip32 | hmmm true kernelwork |
| 22:15:28 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: aren't 10uf capacitors big even for SMT? |
| 22:15:36 | scanline | MicroChip32: Working on a navigation system? |
| 22:15:49 | MicroChip32 | scanline yep, ask kernelwork about it |
| 22:16:00 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: 150uf surface mount caps are a tiny bit bigger than a pencil eraser |
| 22:16:03 | MicroChip32 | its his idea |
| 22:16:05 | kernelwork | It's actually seconds and you get those added on there by doing (seconds / (60*60))*1000000 |
| 22:16:14 | scanline | I think 10uf caps are pretty small |
| 22:16:35 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: excellent, hate big boards/components |
| 22:17:08 | scanline | kernelwork: Working on a navigation system? |
| 22:17:10 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: it's a moot point anyway, that only matters so I can parse my NMEA 0183 |
| 22:17:22 | kernelwork | scanline: I'm working on a moving map display to put on Microwindows |
| 22:17:48 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork dont you need the lat/lon numbers to render the map? i dont see any other suitable coords |
| 22:18:06 | kernelwork | I can use the lat/long in NAD83 format |
| 22:18:23 | scanline | kernelwork: nifty |
| 22:18:29 | kernelwork | I just need to worry about degrees, minutes and seconds long enough to put it in NAD83 |
| 22:18:45 | kernelwork | NAD83 = North American Datum (1983) |
| 22:18:46 | MicroChip32 | ok so youre basicly gonna convert the other way |
| 22:19:24 | kernelwork | Yeah, all I need is to be consistent in one direction or another. At that point it doesn't matter if I'm dealing with small floats or big ints. |
| 22:19:31 | MicroChip32 | yea |
| 22:19:31 | kernelwork | remember scientific notation? |
| 22:19:37 | MicroChip32 | unfortunately yea |
| 22:19:46 | kernelwork | You see where I'm going with this. |
| 22:19:59 | MicroChip32 | your math no, your ultimate target, yea |
| 22:21:43 | kernelwork | The less I use FP emulation the better. |
| 22:21:53 | MicroChip32 | ah ic |
| 22:21:56 | MicroChip32 | yea |
| 22:22:13 | MicroChip32 | well, im maybe an hour away from my first map if all goes well kernelwork ;) |
| 22:22:21 | MicroChip32 | BASIC map |
| 22:22:41 | kernelwork | Oh? |
| 22:22:56 | kernelwork | I guess my problem is I'm going straight to full map. |
| 22:23:19 | MicroChip32 | how so? |
| 22:23:43 | MicroChip32 | ok i c, youre building top-down, where im building bottom up (or is that the other way around) |
| 22:24:00 | kernelwork | I don't know, maybe I should just code some more. |
| 22:24:04 | MicroChip32 | hehehee |
| 22:24:26 | MicroChip32 | i build things peice by peice, make one thing work, or make a basic set of functions work, then modify and build |
| 22:24:40 | MicroChip32 | debug as i go |
| 22:25:07 | kernelwork | As it is right now I should be able to call import_tigerdata(&headptr,"filename"); |
| 22:26:30 | kernelwork | That either add to or create the linked list pointed to by headptr; I pass the reference of headptr so I can edit the pointer itself. |
| 22:26:56 | kernelwork | It will load the file passed and determine the record type and call the proper import function. |
| 22:27:42 | kernelwork | The import functions drop alot of data and fill struct chainbasic_s and struct chainpoints_s. The declarations of those are found in internaltypes.h |
| 22:28:55 | kernelwork | It's all checked in if you would like to do a cvs upd |
| 22:29:51 | kernelwork | I build piece by piece, it's just I need all of this at once. |
| 22:32:57 | | GPSFan was last seen on #tuxscreen 8 hours, 32 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: 'morning [Wed Oct 31 13:59:59 2001] |
| 22:32:57 | scanline | ibot: seen GPSFan? |
| 22:35:08 | MicroChip32 | ok kernelwork whats that formula and where'd you get it ? |
| 22:35:21 | SpaceCoaster | scanline, got the bill of materials so I can go to the shops in the morning? |
| 22:36:38 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: Sure. The resistor values on GPSFan's schematic aren't entirely right. Let me count mine... |
| 22:36:56 | GoRK | scanline: compared to when it is not present, how much louder is the phone volume? |
| 22:37:01 | GoRK | err how much quieter |
| 22:37:09 | GoRK | is it 75% of the normal volume or less? |
| 22:37:35 | scanline | GoRK: I'd guess about 75%, but you can compensate with the volume buttons |
| 22:37:39 | hypaStyle | what is this addon for ? |
| 22:37:52 | GoRK | right but compared to max volume i mean |
| 22:38:08 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: I determined it myself |
| 22:38:23 | GoRK | the key is if the handset can get 'too loud' with shanip applied.... if it can then we are in good shape |
| 22:38:29 | kernelwork | There are 60 minutes in a degree and 60 seconds in a minute |
| 22:38:35 | MicroChip32 | yep got that |
| 22:38:51 | kernelwork | To turn minutes into deximal degrees devide them by 60 |
| 22:39:03 | MicroChip32 | ummm ok got that |
| 22:39:07 | kernelwork | to turn seconds into decimal degrees devide them by 60*60 |
| 22:39:10 | MicroChip32 | and same for sec -> min |
| 22:39:14 | GoRK | watches in amusement |
| 22:39:33 | hypaStyle | gork : what is this addon for ? |
| 22:39:35 | kernelwork | or do I have that backwards? |
| 22:39:45 | MicroChip32 | ahh ok, i see what youre doing. id turn secs -> min (sec/60) then combine that with the mins and do min/60 |
| 22:39:50 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: capacitors: 1 x 0.1uf ceramic cap, 3 x 10uf electrolytic, 1 x 1uf ceramic |
| 22:39:52 | kernelwork | Whatever one works, though, I think division is right. |
| 22:39:57 | MicroChip32 | no youre right, just dif steps than me |
| 22:40:04 | GoRK | hypaStyle: it makes it where we can play and record to/from the handset or speakerphone |
| 22:40:17 | GoRK | hypaStyle: /dev/dsp style |
| 22:40:38 | hypaStyle | gork : sweet where are the specs for the addon |
| 22:40:47 | MicroChip32 | ok kernelwork so given a number -83381740 from the tiger data, whats the deg/min/sec ? |
| 22:41:02 | kernelwork | 83 deg |
| 22:41:06 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 22:41:29 | kernelwork | 22 min |
| 22:42:28 | MicroChip32 | thats what i get |
| 22:42:28 | kernelwork | 54.264 sec |
| 22:42:28 | MicroChip32 | ?? i get 48 sec |
| 22:42:28 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: resistors: 68, 120k, 10k, 150, 8k, 680 ohms |
| 22:42:28 | GoRK | hypaStyle: well... the lastest revision is at http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/shanip2.pdf but there are different resistor values now |
| 22:42:29 | kernelwork | I did .381740 X 60 then ANS-22 to get minutes out of the way and then did another X60 |
| 22:42:30 | MicroChip32 | 22.8 mins = 22 min + 48 s |
| 22:42:36 | CosmicPenguin | mmmmmmm..... vi |
| 22:42:37 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: no other voltage/wattage requirements? |
| 22:42:43 | CosmicPenguin | or rather.... mmmmmmm.... cscope... |
| 22:43:11 | MicroChip32 | yes .381740 * 60 = 22.8 => -22 => .8 * 60 = 48 |
| 22:43:24 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: Everything's <= 3.3v, and 1/4 or 1/8 watt should be plenty |
| 22:43:41 | kernelwork | I'm getting 22.9044 |
| 22:43:53 | MicroChip32 | hmmmmm |
| 22:44:23 | MicroChip32 | yep, daggone calulator |
| 22:44:27 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: Actually, that 8k resistor should be 8.2k i think. Mine is marked 8.2k and I just measured it at close to 8k |
| 22:44:38 | MicroChip32 | throws his palm3x across the room |
| 22:44:41 | scanline | 10% tolerances suck in audio attenuators... |
| 22:44:41 | kernelwork | getting .9044 now? |
| 22:44:44 | MicroChip32 | yep |
| 22:45:01 | MicroChip32 | ok problem is it still dont match the streetatlas map |
| 22:45:21 | MicroChip32 | which sayd 83d 50.7m |
| 22:45:40 | MicroChip32 | 50.77m |
| 22:45:47 | kernelwork | That's west right? |
| 22:45:50 | MicroChip32 | yes |
| 22:45:53 | kernelwork | What north are you at? |
| 22:46:21 | MicroChip32 | that location is 44 north. its just above the thumb of michigan on the east side of the state |
| 22:46:35 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: did you build it onto a board yet? |
| 22:46:36 | kernelwork | It's only 28 miles off |
| 22:46:52 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: It's breadboarded now |
| 22:46:53 | kernelwork | Where are you getting your numbers? |
| 22:47:12 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: still getting pickup/noise? |
| 22:47:29 | AlHazWork | er, aren't GPS coordinates WGS84? |
| 22:47:55 | AlHazWork | there are more coordinate and map datum standards than you can shake a stick at, and most require at least slight conversion |
| 22:48:01 | kernelwork | scratch that, Its 20 miles off |
| 22:48:11 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: There's a slight hum on the input maybe due to the long wires, but having 1 ft of wire connecting my breadboard to the Tux doesn't seem to be a problem |
| 22:48:13 | uChip | friggin isp |
| 22:48:24 | uChip | <kernelwork> Where are you getting your numbers? |
| 22:48:25 | uChip | <MicroChip32> from the record one data of one of the county files |
| 22:48:26 | kernelwork | AlHazWork: I'm not sure what dataset the GPS will output. I'm just going to convert it to NAD 83 for my internal stuff |
| 22:48:40 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: yeah I was impressed with my etrex it knows lots. |
| 22:48:49 | uChip | kernelwork: heres the actual lat/lon data ... |
| 22:48:49 | uChip | <kernelwork> Where are you getting your numbers? |
| 22:48:50 | uChip | <MicroChip32> from the record one data of one of the county files |
| 22:48:53 | kernelwork | MicroChip32: Those files are NAD83 |
| 22:48:53 | uChip | oi crap |
| 22:49:02 | uChip | -83395134+44569328 -83381740+44569307 |
| 22:49:05 | AlHazWork | what format are the TIGER coords? |
| 22:49:22 | kernelwork | NAD83 |
| 22:49:33 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: thanks |
| 22:49:34 | uChip | kernelwork yea, and i want to conver those coords to deg/min/sec to compare with a real map |
| 22:49:39 | uChip | so far they dont match |
| 22:49:49 | uChip | as you noted they're only 20 miles off |
| 22:50:09 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: if you want a headphone jack, it just means one extra resistor and the jack itself |
| 22:50:36 | uChip | is it the difference between nad83 and the wgs84 grids ? |
| 22:53:09 | AlHazWork | they're supposed to be almost the same . . . trying to figure that out |
| 22:55:17 | AlHazWork | Ah, they have a different point for the north pole |
| 22:55:23 | AlHazWork | difference is up to 300 meters |
| 22:55:39 | BZFlag | off to trick-or-treat with the 2yr old |
| 22:57:21 | MicroChip32 | AlHazWork so how to convert from one to the other ? |
| 22:57:34 | MicroChip32 | or is it even possible? |
| 22:57:50 | prpplague | is headed home to t-o-t and read arm ref docs |
| 22:58:00 | prpplague | night all |
| 22:58:04 | AlHazWork | yeah, it's possible |
| 22:58:18 | AlHazWork | a lot of websites are saying that in north america NAD83 is equivalent to WGS84 |
| 22:58:26 | AlHazWork | if you're not in north america, well . . . |
| 22:58:28 | MicroChip32 | obviously not |
| 22:58:39 | AlHazWork | http://www.shipwrite.bc.ca/aboutgps.htm |
| 22:58:49 | MicroChip32 | certainly not in michgain anyway. unless streetatlas 6 is totally wacked out |
| 22:59:53 | AlHazWork | NAD27 of course is way, way off |
| 23:00:06 | AlHazWork | you're off by 20 miles, something else has got to be the issue |
| 23:01:20 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Think that guy from James Bond that messed with the GPS system is at it again??? :) |
| 23:01:50 | AlHazWork | http://www.mentorsoftwareinc.com/resource/Nad83.htm |
| 23:02:08 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: hehehe |
| 23:02:29 | AlHazWork | I should go home |
| 23:02:55 | CosmicPenguin | I've got to figure out some way to tell my girlfriend that our vacation might be canceled |
| 23:08:39 | kernelwork | I'm going to run, I'll be home in about an hour |
| 23:08:47 | kernelwork | Then I'll be 'thekernel' |
| 23:09:33 | MicroChip32 | hahahahahaha the data IS correct ... helps if i look at the correct part of the map ;) |
| 23:09:41 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: Is the release done? |
| 23:10:44 | kernelwork | What's left? I've done all the builds there's code checked in for |
| 23:11:02 | kernelwork | You go MicroChip |
| 23:11:51 | MicroChip32 | kernelwork, i was looking at the only section of the relevant road i could find. and it didnt match. i finally went looking for the specifyied coords to see what was there ... and lo and behold ... there's another section of the spec'd road ;) |
| 23:12:18 | kernelwork | Excuse me while I laugh |
| 23:12:28 | MicroChip32 | i'll laugh with ya *lol* |
| 23:13:14 | MicroChip32 | ok, so much for that wasted 20 mins *sigh* |
| 23:13:22 | kernelwork | Now I gotta run get some gas hose for my car and get home so I can give kids candy when they knock on my door. |
| 23:13:51 | kernelwork | Seeya in an hour |
| 23:14:49 | MicroChip32 | ko |
| 23:25:12 | | scanline was last seen on #tuxscreen 35 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: SpaceCoaster: if you want a headphone jack, it just means one extra resistor and the jack itself [Wed Oct 31 22:50:09 2001] |
| 23:25:12 | GPSFan | ibot: seen scanline |
| 23:25:26 | GPSFan | scanline: you about?? |
| 23:25:41 | scanline | i'm here |
| 23:25:49 | scanline | Hi GPSFan |
| 23:25:58 | scanline | I just sent a mail to the list with info about shanip2 |
| 23:26:02 | scanline | it has new resistor values |
| 23:26:18 | GPSFan | howdy, want to try a new place to inject the audio? |
| 23:26:30 | scanline | not right now, I'm busy studying for a math test |
| 23:28:51 | GPSFan | ah, good luck. I found the op-amp that drives T/R IN, and I think we can inject the audio in there without disturbing the "Voice Hybrid" all you do is connect the green wire through a 100k resistor to the trace circled in red here: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/emain66by.jpg |
| 23:29:21 | scanline | cool. I'll probably be able to try that later tonight |
| 23:30:06 | GPSFan | ok, I'll be around for a while, give me a shout if you feel sure you can pass ;>) |
| 23:30:53 | scanline | ok :) |
| 23:46:52 | | sb-- has neutral karma |
| 23:46:52 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: karma sb-- |
| 23:46:56 | | sb-- has neutral karma |
| 23:46:56 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: karma sb-- |
| 23:47:03 | CosmicPenguin | did they fix that? |
| 23:47:25 | CosmicPenguin | sb--: Hello! |
| 23:47:27 | | sb-- has neutral karma |
| 23:47:27 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: karma sb-- |
| 23:47:35 | CosmicPenguin | Yep, they must have.... :) |
| 23:47:48 | sb-- | i have neutral karma?? |
| 23:48:05 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, all.... good night! |
| 23:53:49 | Russ | hey andersee |
| 23:54:32 | Russ | what if a machine with a reserved IP requests a different IP, NAK it? |
| 23:54:50 | scanline | is away: food |
| 23:57:48 | andersee | howdy |
| 23:58:33 | andersee | Russ: I'm not certain. |
| 23:59:01 | andersee | Russ: I was just hoping to copy the behavior of ISC dhcpd |
| 23:59:16 | andersee | Russ: For example, I have it configured as follows: |
| 23:59:32 | andersee | host sage { |
| 23:59:32 | andersee | hardware ethernet 00:04:76:44:FB:4C; |
| 23:59:32 | andersee | fixed-address sage.codepoet.org; |
| 23:59:32 | andersee | } |
| 23:59:59 | Russ | why not: fixed 00:04:76:44:FB:4C sage.codepoet.org |
