| 00:59:02 | nelson | is away: putting dogs to bed. |
| 00:59:44 | GPSFan | GoRK: you about? |
| 01:06:05 | nelson | is back |
| 01:20:45 | Niddix | Finally cracked the case on my tuxscreen. |
| 01:35:06 | Niddix | No-one is excited for me.. well I am dang it ;) |
| 01:35:36 | GPSFan | Niddix: congrat's what is your next step? |
| 01:37:59 | MacAtack | Niddix: just got here didnt see what ur so excited about... I'm hardcore excited i got me 2 of these wonderfull toys :) |
| 01:42:16 | Niddix | RGPSFan: right now I am trying to get the nerve apply 12v and unlock it. |
| 01:43:13 | GPSFan | Niddix: it's easy, go for it... |
| 01:54:34 | Niddix | GPSFan: Yeah, but I worry about things like that.. |
| 01:55:06 | Niddix | GPSFan: I also looked at the IR port and thought, this should be easy to replace with on that can receive as well... Then I realised I don't know what I am talking about. |
| 01:56:24 | GPSFan | Niddix: if you are worried about frying something with 12V put as series resistor of 470 ohms in series with the 12V. |
| 01:57:46 | GPSFan | Niddix: since the keyboard IR is recieve only, there is no IR transmitter in the little module, you would have to replace it and add the wiring to the TX part of the serial port. |
| 02:03:26 | Niddix | I went out and bought a 12v car alarm battery.. That should work yes? |
| 02:03:30 | GPSFan | off to Zzzzzzzz land nite all... |
| 02:23:16 | wej | evenin |
| 02:23:19 | wej | mornin |
| 02:42:15 | wej | ello? |
| 02:42:42 | Tangent | wej : Hi |
| 02:43:05 | wej | how goes it tangent? |
| 02:43:10 | Lenolium | Niddix: Yup. Tape over the rest of the pads, so you don't blasticate your tuxscreen. |
| 02:43:23 | wej | i'm looking for anyone who has gotten X working on their tuxscreen.. |
| 02:43:27 | Tangent | wej : Oh... quiet... just reading a book actually |
| 02:43:47 | wej | or anyone who's gotten 802.11 working for Intersil Prism2 cards... |
| 02:44:02 | Tangent | wej : Yes... but not on my Tux |
| 02:48:25 | Lenolium | wej: Lots of people are using TinyX from the debian/familar distribution. |
| 02:49:03 | Tangent | I'll have a go at getting intimate up and rnning as soon as I can get buildroot to work properly for me |
| 02:50:01 | Lenolium | My problem is the lack of 5V PCMCIA support. I don't have a netcard for my tuxscreen yet. |
| 02:50:29 | Tangent | Lenolium : You seen the 5V hardwired hack? |
| 02:50:40 | Lenolium | Tangent: Yeah, that's pretty nasty. :) |
| 02:50:52 | Tangent | Lenolium : Yeah.. nasty.. but a good place to start |
| 02:53:10 | wej | lenolium: i'm thinking about familiar... |
| 02:53:18 | wej | i wonder if it would fix my intersil support.... |
| 02:53:34 | wej | i crash when i load the orinoco or wvlan_cs module for it. |
| 02:54:22 | wej | has anyone here installed familiar/tinyX? |
| 02:54:27 | wej | the web page provides zero help |
| 02:54:37 | wej | and i doubt the jffs2 root image i see at handhelds.org is gonna work on the tuxscreen... |
| 02:59:38 | Tangent | wej : Nope.. the hh.org images won't work |
| 02:59:54 | Tangent | wej : I understand that you can put the familiar stuff onto CF, and then pivot_root to it |
| 03:00:31 | wej | well i'm currently pivot_rooting to the debian dist.. |
| 03:00:35 | wej | if i could get X up under that i'd be happy |
| 03:00:48 | wej | but debian, like all of the other 4 billion linux distributions... seems to be a frickin hack. |
| 03:01:00 | wej | the perl that comes with the dist is broken for the tools that let you manage the dist.. |
| 03:01:02 | wej | i.e. apt-get |
| 03:01:10 | wej | it uses perl modules that are broken with the dist. |
| 03:02:21 | wej | i could pivot_root to the familiar dist instead i suppose.. but i don't see anywhere that i can get a minimal installation to build a proper file system out of... |
| 03:08:23 | Tangent | wej : Debian works for me |
| 03:08:28 | Tangent | wej : What feed are you using? |
| 03:08:38 | Tangent | wej: Works on iPAQ that is |
| 03:12:31 | Tangent | wej : Do you have buildroot working? |
| 03:18:59 | wej | what feed? |
| 03:19:17 | Tangent | Debian feed... stable? testing? unstable? |
| 03:19:24 | wej | stable |
| 03:19:30 | wej | it works.... |
| 03:19:33 | wej | just some stuff is broken |
| 03:19:44 | wej | and i can't for the life of me find out which .deb has the /usr/include stuff so i can actually compile things... |
| 03:20:01 | Tangent | wej : I use unstable.. It moans about missing perl stuff, but everything works regardless |
| 03:20:07 | wej | hrm. |
| 03:20:09 | wej | yeah. it moans... |
| 03:20:11 | wej | but it works i guess. |
| 03:20:16 | wej | but i still don't have my /usr/include stuff. |
| 03:20:27 | wej | i don't even have stdio.h |
| 03:20:28 | Tangent | which particular bit do you want... |
| 03:20:33 | Lenolium | wej: Try libc6-dev |
| 03:20:36 | Tangent | is seems to be in the -dev packages |
| 03:22:32 | wej | gotcha. |
| 03:22:36 | wej | downloading now. |
| 03:23:07 | Lenolium | Oh, by the way, booting Linux/Alpha really sucks. |
| 03:23:16 | wej | heh. |
| 03:23:26 | wej | do you guys have screen defs that i could use for an XF86Config for this thing? |
| 03:23:30 | Tangent | notes it down for later |
| 03:24:19 | Lenolium | Tangent: Oh, and Alpha+IDE basically doesn't work, and the linux CMD646 drivers really chew rocks. |
| 06:15:38 | GoRK | well... i just finished soldering up the shanip circut |
| 06:15:53 | GoRK | havent yet wired it into the phone |
| 06:31:22 | GoRK | hey proteus |
| 06:31:28 | GoRK | was it you who built a shanip? |
| 06:33:12 | Proteus | Heh. I'm working on building one, yes. |
| 06:33:16 | GoRK | oh |
| 06:33:19 | Proteus | But, I want to get all suggestions in first. |
| 06:33:36 | Proteus | I'm going to get some stuff into it that will give some serious improvements over the base ShanIP board. |
| 06:33:58 | GoRK | who was it that posted to the mailing list that they built one? i built one on a breadboard and then i made a pcb with the actual shanip design |
| 06:34:27 | Proteus | Heh. I'm not on the mailing list at all. |
| 06:34:40 | GoRK | hmm |
| 06:58:03 | Proteus | hmm? |
| 07:09:13 | scanline | andersee: By virtue of your interesting domain name, I checked out your web site. You have a son named Micah? |
| 07:37:01 | SteveD | on his way to work |
| 07:41:23 | GoRK | ok i think i have a fully assembled shanip mod (no 5v |
| 07:42:09 | scanline | GoRK: Let me know if it works, I'm probably going to build one of these around Friday or so |
| 07:42:24 | scanline | maybe sooner |
| 07:42:52 | scanline | realizes he does have a LM386 :-D |
| 07:43:02 | GoRK | radio shack has them for 1.73$ |
| 07:43:17 | scanline | I have one here on a breadboard |
| 07:43:30 | scanline | And I have plenty of resistors and capacitors |
| 07:43:51 | scanline | if it wasn't for this math homework I might be building one right now |
| 07:45:01 | andersee | scanline: yup |
| 07:45:31 | scanline | andersee: neat |
| 07:45:52 | andersee | scanline: Named after the prophet in the Old Testament |
| 07:46:16 | scanline | andersee: Neat, me too |
| 07:46:29 | andersee | heh |
| 07:46:45 | andersee | I've been trying to work out a hardware hack of my own.... |
| 07:46:53 | andersee | http://codepoet.org/ram |
| 07:47:00 | GoRK | ok... booting up |
| 07:47:52 | GoRK | so you can get 256MB in a netwinder?!? |
| 07:47:53 | scanline | andersee: Ahh. I saw part of this discussion here and thought it was for the Tuxscreen. Makes more sense now, putting 256MB in a Netwinder |
| 07:48:09 | GoRK | it probably involves a12 eh? |
| 07:48:51 | andersee | Yup. Looks like they are using A12 and A13 as extra chip select lines, creating 4 banks of 32 bit wide ram instead of 2 banks of 64 bit wide ram |
| 07:49:41 | scanline | GoRK: You're going by the shanip.pdf on tuxscreen.net? |
| 07:49:54 | andersee | Took me a while to figure out what they were doing... After I read that the footbridge had 4 chip select lines, then it started to make sense |
| 07:49:55 | GoRK | scanline: yes and gpsfan's schematic |
| 07:50:09 | scanline | Neat. Looks like I have all the parts |
| 07:50:25 | andersee | GoRK: how hard is it to make? |
| 07:50:26 | scanline | bah, must finish math before hacking... |
| 07:50:37 | andersee | scanline: what math? |
| 07:50:46 | scanline | andersee: differential equations homework |
| 07:51:24 | andersee | Urgh. I got a math minor. diff-eq and partial diff-eq were the hardest classes I ever took... |
| 07:51:39 | GoRK | it wasnt hard but i dunno if it's working... right now i'm not getting audio from the phone line but i can clearly hear all of the regular sounds... |
| 07:51:50 | GoRK | actually i can very faintly hear the phone line audio |
| 07:51:56 | scanline | andersee: hehe. Yeah, it can be annoying |
| 07:52:03 | GoRK | mmmmmm diffeq's yummy |
| 07:53:48 | Proteus | *lol* |
| 07:54:03 | scanline | haha |
| 07:55:41 | GoRK | hmm |
| 07:55:49 | GoRK | this is very bizzare |
| 08:00:25 | scanline | GoRK: I don't suppose it's working perfectly, is it ;) |
| 08:01:45 | GoRK | nah gimme a sec |
| 16:02:54 | mallum | must find the time patch bb's vi to use emacs keystrokes ;) |
| 16:03:18 | | :) |
| 16:03:18 | Tangent | ibot : Have a botsnack |
| 16:53:43 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Did the new address work out for you? |
| 17:05:05 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: no, fraid not, I changed TEXTADDR in arch/arm/Makefile and ZTEXTADDR/ZRELADDR in arch/arm/boot/Makefile and BOOT_MEM/BOOT_PARAMS in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/shannon.c |
| 17:07:16 | SpaceCoaster | It's the call to gunzip() from arch/arm/boot/compressed/misc.c that doesn't return. |
| 17:13:48 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: damn... infinate loop? |
| 17:14:49 | SteveD | hi guys - would you recommend installing the handhelds or the emdebian toolchain? |
| 17:15:05 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: pooping on itself I suspect, it prints to the console so it's traceable. |
| 17:15:14 | Russ|werk | SteveD: erikm's |
| 17:15:53 | SteveD | russ|werk: url? |
| 17:16:39 | Russ|werk | SteveD: google:lart |
| 17:17:28 | SteveD | Russ|werk: right - where blob comes from |
| 17:17:46 | SpaceCoaster | Russ|werk: Hi, any idea where the decompressed kernel gets put in memory when we are booting? |
| 17:17:52 | Russ|werk | http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/lartware/compile-tools/ |
| 17:18:16 | SteveD | thanks! |
| 17:18:16 | Russ|werk | SpaceCoaster: I think wherever the kernel finds space, dunno, check the decompressor code, should be fairly shart |
| 17:18:18 | Russ|werk | er, short |
| 17:18:38 | AlHazWork | I'm pretty sure I've successfully compiled buildroot-tux with the emdebian tools |
| 17:34:24 | GoRK | what the heck did openprojects try to do last night exactly? |
| 17:34:31 | Bklyn | and this morning |
| 17:34:40 | Bklyn | servers were very messy |
| 17:34:57 | GoRK | apparently they failed to "convert" to something |
| 17:35:23 | CosmicPenguin | Poor guys, they're too popular for their own good.... :) |
| 17:35:35 | Tangent | I think they were just playing IRC tennis... bounce the users from one place to another... score points when the other guy looses a few users ;) |
| 17:36:07 | Tangent | Actually that sounds like rather good fun |
| 17:36:41 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: Especially if you could somehow show it graphically.... have the whole staff gathered in front of a terminal, cheering..... |
| 17:37:21 | Tangent | /me hurls 100 UK users at CosmicPenguin |
| 17:38:13 | CosmicPenguin | ducks, everyone north of London is disconnected..... SCORE! |
| 17:38:20 | CosmicPenguin | Oops..... |
| 17:38:26 | Tangent | Heh.. 100 points to me ;) |
| 17:39:31 | GPSFan | GoRK: sorry I missed you last night, did you figure out what's what with the shanip schematic? |
| 17:41:46 | GoRK | GPSFan: yeah i think so.. but i built it and i can't detect any audio coming out of it to the mongoose... i can see that the audio makes it to the shanip from the ucb1200 |
| 17:42:02 | GoRK | i really need a scope to see things... |
| 17:42:57 | GPSFan | very true, scopes are cheap these days, you can pick up a good used Tek 465 for $3-500US |
| 17:43:04 | GoRK | GPSFan: were there any tricky places on that PCB design (the back side obviously) other than those traces at the top right that were masked by the front layer? |
| 17:44:22 | GoRK | because i believe that i tried to build exactly their board design and wire it up exactly as shown in the photos and documented by you... |
| 17:45:14 | GPSFan | yes, there is a green trace under the C6 silkscreen.. |
| 17:45:56 | BZFlag | GPSFan: you see the post on lak about memory aliases? |
| 17:46:14 | GPSFan | between one end of R8 and the + end of C5 |
| 17:46:21 | BZFlag | I'd be interested in seeing the output of a memdebug version of blob booting on a 40M tux. |
| 17:46:26 | GoRK | where, electrically, should the ucb1200-played audio come out? which pin of the header on the mongoose side? |
| 17:47:10 | BZFlag | SF was (at least) rebuilding the psql indexes over the weekend. |
| 17:47:14 | GPSFan | the audio from the UCB1200 speaker outputs (+ & -) is terminated by R8. |
| 17:47:49 | GPSFan | it then goes into the LM386. and comes out on pin 3 of the small connector. |
| 17:48:23 | GoRK | by pin 3 do you mean the pin labeled 3 on the pcb or the pin labelled 5 ? |
| 17:49:11 | GoRK | i got the green trace under C5 and the proper things under the trace between c4, c8 etc |
| 17:49:14 | GPSFan | it would be labeled pin 5 on their board (i think) |
| 17:49:20 | GoRK | yeah |
| 17:50:02 | GoRK | well it seems i can record line audio or from the mic but i can't for the life of me play anything back |
| 17:50:20 | GPSFan | make sure that the LM386 has 5V, it won't unless the pcmcia jumper is in place and shorts the 2 pins together. |
| 17:50:31 | BZFlag | to work... |
| 17:50:33 | GoRK | yes i just used a jumper wire |
| 17:51:14 | GPSFan | good, I don't know why they didn't tie the 386's vcc to 5V permantly. |
| 17:51:49 | GoRK | i dont know why they put an rj45 jack inside the phone when both sides of the shanip board are wired to the comm board... |
| 17:55:41 | GPSFan | GoRK: in the old days I'd have said take a crystal earphone, put a .1uf in series and probe around the circuit. you should hear audio at the C5-R8 junction, reduced at the R5-r6 junction, and lots at the LM386 pin 5. but alas I haven't seen a crystal earphone in years... |
| 17:56:28 | GoRK | GPSFan: the big beige kind with the clear part that goes in your ear? |
| 17:57:19 | Bklyn | old sk00l transistor radio stylie! |
| 17:57:45 | GPSFan | GoRK: the ones I had were red, but that's the idea, they were real hi-z so wouldn't load things down, and were sensitive as all heck. "crystal radio style" |
| 17:58:30 | GoRK | ah |
| 17:59:33 | GoRK | what is that bizzare long yellow line on the right side of the pcb diagram about? mistake? |
| 18:00:35 | GPSFan | What yellow line?? |
| 18:01:33 | GoRK | looks like it goes from C8 down to C7 |
| 18:02:08 | GoRK | probably just a mistake on the silkscreen layer |
| 18:02:45 | GPSFan | funny, I dont see a Yellow line there? there is a short one inside J1 though. |
| 18:03:19 | GoRK | hmm probably just something messed up with the pdf |
| 18:03:37 | GPSFan | could be... |
| 18:08:15 | GoRK | i hear the audio with this litle cheapo earphone at the junctions up to the lm386 and i can verify that the lm386 is getting power but nothing is coming out pin5 |
| 18:09:28 | GoRK | maybe my lm386 is fried |
| 18:13:09 | GPSFan | look at the data sheet first, maybe somethins should be and isn't hooked up to 1 & 8.. |
| 18:13:39 | GoRK | it says not |
| 18:14:03 | GPSFan | ok, was just a thought. I hadn't looked at. |
| 18:14:48 | GPSFan | GoRK: does pin 5 have about 2.5VDC on it? |
| 18:16:00 | GoRK | ok i think i can debug this.. i am now getting pops on the speaker |
| 18:18:01 | GPSFan | make sure pin 3 is grounded. |
| 18:18:02 | GoRK | ok the lm386 wasnt properly getting the 5v. if i short it with a jumper wire... bango. audio |
| 18:18:14 | GoRK | it is my botch solder job |
| 18:18:17 | GPSFan | Yea!!! |
| 18:18:33 | GPSFan | I'm off to feed.. |
| 18:26:38 | BZFlag | GPSFan: you have the register config for the 40M setup? |
| 18:28:48 | CosmicPenguin | bbias: Gotta reboot X (gnome freak out) |
| 18:33:21 | GPSFan | BZFlag: 0x00c8993f is what I think we were using, SpaceCoaster has been doing a lot with memory of late, he may have tweaked it. |
| 18:37:37 | GoRK | GPSFan: any ideas about where to put a line level mono-out jack onto shanip? |
| 18:39:16 | GPSFan | GoRK: you want that jack to have what comes out the 386 as line level audio? |
| 18:40:13 | GoRK | yeah that.. not the mic .. so you can play from ucb1200 to a connected car audio system or something. I dont want to put a tux in my car but i know plenty of others do |
| 18:40:41 | Bklyn | GoRK: really? |
| 18:40:44 | Bklyn | interesting |
| 18:40:53 | GoRK | i presume it'd be fairly easy to get a mic-in for ucb1200 also wired onto shanip |
| 18:40:55 | Bklyn | as a stereo-type-thing? |
| 18:41:25 | GoRK | Bklyn: people have talked about mp3 players, moving map units, etc... i personally think the screen is so crappy it's never going to work in a car w/o a new screen |
| 18:42:36 | GoRK | probably not a bad idea if you can replace the screen, move the screen another few feet away from the "base" and attach a gps reciever to the serial port and have an audio out you'd have a pretty fun little machine |
| 18:43:24 | GPSFan | GoRK: ok, what I would do is from th - of C7 have a resistive divider to ground with th bottom resistor 600 ohms. then a capacitor to your output jack from the junction of those 2 resistors. Select the top resistors value so that the output level is what you need to drive your stereo. |
| 18:43:44 | GoRK | i thought i'd never do the 5v hack, but I was thinking about it and if i did it, i could possibly find a way to get a USB interface on this |
| 18:43:54 | CosmicPenguin | Bklyn: I would assume though, that the screen is pretty close in quality to those inital screens that are showing up on some of the high end SUVs and what not |
| 18:44:17 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: USB would be key, then we could start talking about webcams... :) |
| 18:44:24 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: no way man those screens are so bright |
| 18:44:30 | Bklyn | I'd like to have a touch-screen mp3 player / map unit |
| 18:44:33 | Bklyn | that'd be nifty |
| 18:44:33 | GPSFan | GoRK: I'll add something to the shanip schematic. |
| 18:44:43 | Bklyn | DVD player in the backseat for the kiddies :) |
| 18:44:48 | GoRK | GPSFan: rock on :) the first 2.x version? |
| 18:44:56 | GPSFan | yep1!! |
| 18:45:00 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Really? I have no idea what they look like -- I've only seen 'em in commercials, and you know how realisitc those are... </sarcasm> |
| 18:45:06 | Bklyn | my buddy's tux seems to have crapped out before he could get Linux loaded on it :( |
| 18:45:19 | Bklyn | inferno not even booting now |
| 18:45:29 | GPSFan | GoRK: but it will have to wait till I get back form town this afternoon... |
| 18:45:34 | CosmicPenguin | Bklyn: No spash screen even? |
| 18:45:41 | Bklyn | not sure of the details |
| 18:45:47 | Bklyn | he emailed BzImage |
| 18:45:53 | Bklyn | I think he'll get it sorted out |
| 18:45:55 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: i have a garmin street pilot III with a sunlight readable color display and it is *bright* |
| 18:46:07 | Bklyn | I'm wwaiting for him to come back w/rave reviews before I buy one |
| 18:46:09 | Bklyn | :) |
| 18:46:18 | GoRK | buy one |
| 18:46:23 | Bklyn | GoRK: is that an in-dash unit |
| 18:46:24 | GoRK | issues rave reviews |
| 18:46:26 | Bklyn | heh |
| 18:46:35 | GoRK | Bklyn: no it's not in dash |
| 18:46:37 | Bklyn | maybe as an xmas-present-to-self |
| 18:47:06 | GoRK | GPSFan: i wont have time to fool with this again until tonight anyway |
| 18:47:13 | BZFlag | GPSFan: thanx. |
| 18:47:21 | GoRK | i bet it'd be pretty easy to replace the backlight in this beast |
| 18:47:36 | GoRK | then we could get it brighter |
| 18:48:07 | GoRK | replace the flourescent tube along the one side with rows of white LED's around all 4 sides |
| 18:51:51 | CosmicPenguin | Too bad we don't have a second serial port.... It would be nice to replace the touchscreen with something a little better.... |
| 18:52:00 | CosmicPenguin | Or rather, the touchscreen controller.... |
| 18:52:19 | GoRK | well... we sort of do have a second serial port... the IR |
| 18:52:46 | Russ|werk | sure, if you didn't want to use the keyboard at all |
| 18:53:45 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: what better did you have in mind? |
| 18:54:35 | GoRK | you could get some more serial ports through the PCMCIA also |
| 18:59:31 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Maybe something like the 3M Dynapro SC4 controller (sorry, couldn't find a URL) |
| 18:59:57 | GoRK | i dunno... i saw some pcmcia serial cards in jameco's catalog |
| 19:00:09 | GoRK | im sure they are cheaper from other people though |
| 19:00:18 | GoRK | jameco is a ripoff for most things |
| 19:09:38 | SteveD | could bit-twiddle a serial interface... (depending on how desperately you wanted it...) |
| 19:12:18 | prpplague | jameco can a big ripoff if you don't keep an eye on what your buying |
| 19:12:50 | ProtWork | *lol* So can anyone. |
| 19:12:57 | ProtWork | Digi-key is the biggest rapist, though. :-) |
| 19:13:25 | prpplague | ProtWork: no radioshit is worse |
| 19:17:07 | ProtWork | prpplague: Yeah, but people *know* that radioshit is nasty. |
| 20:10:24 | andersee | howdy |
| 20:10:30 | prpplague | howdy |
| 20:10:41 | AlHazWork | howdy |
| 20:10:52 | prpplague | andersee: hows it going?? making any $$ yet? |
| 20:11:19 | andersee | yup, I am actually. :-) |
| 20:11:36 | andersee | AlHazWork: Is Curtis V in today? |
| 20:11:47 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: nice website... :) |
| 20:11:47 | AlHazWork | andersee: pretty sure, but i haven't personally seen him |
| 20:11:53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: One problem though: CodePoet Consulting is not hiring at this time. |
| 20:11:57 | CosmicPenguin | Whats up with that? |
| 20:12:36 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Well, so far I've got enough work to keep me saturated -- then I stopped. |
| 20:12:58 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I di have a request for a bid in, that I know I won't have to time do... |
| 20:13:12 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Interested in adding shared lib support to uClinux? |
| 20:14:15 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I would love too, but they've got me pretty busy here... maybe after Comdex |
| 20:15:01 | andersee | Heh |
| 20:15:01 | andersee | figured. :-) |
| 20:15:12 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Don't knock it... I'm angling for a free trip to Vegas.... |
| 20:16:44 | Russ|werk | comdex isn't on labor day weekend, is it? |
| 20:17:05 | AlHazWork | just saw curtis |
| 20:17:23 | andersee | k. |
| 20:17:34 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: It starts on Nov 12.... |
| 20:18:01 | Russ|werk | when's labor day again? |
| 20:18:07 | andersee | AlHazWork: tell him to check his email. I just sent him a msg, so if he has a few secs to look over the link I sent him and check my conclusions.... |
| 20:18:21 | CosmicPenguin | First weekend of Sept, IIRC... |
| 20:18:29 | andersee | I think its past |
| 20:19:02 | Russ|werk | maybe I'm thinking of a different holiday |
| 20:19:38 | andersee | Russ|werk: done anything with the tuxscreen kernel recently? |
| 20:19:50 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Thanksgiving? |
| 20:20:25 | Russ|werk | veterans day |
| 20:20:36 | Russ|werk | andersee: noticed that it locks on remount |
| 20:20:58 | andersee | ouch. |
| 20:21:04 | Russ|werk | andersee: you can grab the latest b0rked kernel from my site, it has the new ucb1x00 driver, and backlight interface |
| 20:22:27 | andersee | cool, I'll give it a try in the next day or two (when I get a moment). I'm basiclly doing 2 full time jobs worth of work at the moment... |
| 20:25:08 | CosmicPenguin | Cool.... somebody just wrote a OS X version of the Tuxpal drivers.... :) |
| 20:26:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm planning to ssh in on one of our servers in aruba, and do a rm so i have to go do a reload |
| 20:27:37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ?? |
| 20:27:37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: might be a fun trip |
| 20:27:56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you were talking about a a trip to vegas... |
| 20:27:57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Oh, I see... yeah, take that trip.... :) |
| 20:28:19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Tell em... "Well, it should take me about, oh... 2 weeks.... " |
| 20:28:51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i spent 5 weeks in barbados installing a quad last year |
| 20:29:48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: So cool! But whats with the servers in the exotic countries? |
| 20:30:21 | Russ|werk | pr0n and gambling? |
| 20:30:57 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, back when I was doing networking, I had to fly to such beautiful destinations as San Angelo Texas..... |
| 20:31:31 | prpplague | we sell accounting systems for shipping and customs as well hardware and lumber stores |
| 20:31:42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Ahh, it becomes clear.... :) |
| 20:40:49 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Find any more cool stuff in emacs21? |
| 20:41:38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: nope, you ? |
| 20:42:29 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: there some info here -> http://www.lwn.net/, 'bout half way down the page |
| 20:43:52 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: I like the highlighting of future matches in search |
| 20:44:24 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: yeah, re-builder is nice too |
| 20:44:32 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I wasted about 20 minutes of my life playing pong with the guy in the next cube.... |
| 20:44:54 | Russ|werk | pong on the tuxscreen would be cool, networked of course |
| 20:45:05 | Russ|werk | just touch you finger where you want the paddle |
| 20:45:09 | prpplague | that would be cool |
| 20:45:12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: That shouldn't be too bad.... |
| 20:45:46 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: pong is networked on it ? |
| 20:46:00 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I don't think so, he was in my cube... |
| 20:48:08 | Russ|werk | I don't know, not like it'd be hard to write for LAN |
| 20:50:01 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Actually, it would be pretty easy.... You wouldn't even have to send out that many packets... |
| 20:50:34 | Russ|werk | well, its latency thats important |
| 20:50:43 | Russ|werk | you wouldn't need any prediction, etc |
| 20:50:45 | prpplague | A new "woman" mode exists which can format up man pages without having to resort to external programs |
| 20:50:53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: ever figure out why r128 was crashing in 2.4.13-ac?? |
| 20:50:55 | prpplague | thats funny |
| 20:51:25 | andersee | I've tried one suggestion from ac -- that one didn't fix it. He says he has another idea.... |
| 20:54:43 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Did you see the emacs psychiatrist? |
| 20:56:09 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: heh, all the time, better then irc ;) |
| 20:56:15 | mallum | s/then/than/ |
| 20:56:31 | CosmicPenguin | Fun with LISP... :) |
| 20:59:19 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'm glad i saw your e-mail, i was about to load up 2.4.13 myself... |
| 21:01:16 | andersee | Well, seems to not be 2.4.13 specific. I've had the same lockup with agp + r128 + APM suspend with every 2.4.x kernel Ive tried.... |
| 21:02:36 | andersee | How about you? Have you seen that lockup? Can you APM suspend with agpgart loaded? |
| 21:06:52 | Russ|werk | damn circuit breaker |
| 21:07:01 | Russ|werk | but now I have a UPS box, haha |
| 21:07:14 | andersee | Just plugged in one too many light bulbs? |
| 21:07:48 | Russ|werk | someone turned on the aircompressor |
| 21:08:21 | Bklyn | every now and then I hear the little "screeeech!" of my back-ups 350 kicking in |
| 21:08:28 | Bklyn | for a second or so |
| 21:08:37 | AlHazWork | I know a guy who was brought in as a consultant to improve networking at a diesel engine repair shop |
| 21:08:49 | AlHazWork | their issues were legion |
| 21:08:52 | Russ|werk | ext3 is happy |
| 21:08:54 | Bklyn | I have another PC plugged into the wall, which doesn't crash, so I suspect these are VERY short spikes |
| 21:08:59 | Bklyn | ext3++! |
| 21:09:12 | AlHazWork | whole network was unusable whenever anyone fired up a plasma cutter |
| 21:09:19 | Bklyn | lol |
| 21:09:30 | Bklyn | what do you do in a situation like that? |
| 21:09:33 | AlHazWork | and they had thin coax run between blocks of cement that trucks would drive over |
| 21:09:37 | Bklyn | run the network on a separate set of mains? |
| 21:09:46 | Russ|werk | I was up for about 50 days, oh well |
| 21:09:50 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: it turned out it was EM interference in the wire itself |
| 21:09:54 | Russ|werk | fiber optic? |
| 21:09:59 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: Yep |
| 21:10:07 | AlHazWork | and ran everything else in 3/4" steel conduit |
| 21:10:14 | Bklyn | I'd think a plasma cutter would draw a LOT of current |
| 21:10:18 | AlHazWork | the phones still cut out when someone fires up the cutter tho |
| 21:10:32 | Bklyn | and ergo would not be a good idea to have on the same ckt as just about anything else |
| 21:10:38 | AlHazWork | oh yeah, hell of a lot of power, but if you need to slice into an engine block there's nothing better |
| 21:10:44 | AlHazWork | yeah, pretty sure it had it's own |
| 21:10:56 | Bklyn | AlHazWork: heh, I'll remember that next time I need to slice open an engine block |
| 21:11:00 | Bklyn | (next time?) |
| 21:11:04 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 21:18:57 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: sorry, i was away..... I have never seen that lockup.... ever..... |
| 21:19:50 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: which lockup? |
| 21:21:57 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: and you use agpgart + r128 + APM suspend on a Dell laptop? |
| 21:22:07 | andersee | with XFree86 4.0.1? |
| 21:22:37 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Oh, I use agpgrat + r128 + APM suspend with XFree86 4.1.0 So I guess its a little different.... |
| 21:23:03 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Andersee was seeing some issues with DRI (wow, what a shocker, huh?) |
| 21:23:41 | andersee | Oops. I lied. XFree86 4.1.0 |
| 21:24:27 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Yep, ship shape. However, one thing - When I first configured 4.1.0, the kernel DRI drivers were broken, so I downloaded the drivers from the DRI group directly and used those... |
| 21:24:42 | CosmicPenguin | And since then, even though the kernel drivers have been fixed, I have still used the DRI drivers.. maybe that makes a difference? |
| 21:25:48 | andersee | could be |
| 21:30:44 | CosmicPenguin | Is KenSteck around? |
| 21:36:54 | bhima | my gf just got her tuxscreen. such cute toys :) |
| 21:39:32 | BZFlag | has r128 + xf86 4.1.0 + agpgart on his dell 5000e. it all works. |
| 21:40:31 | BZFlag | bhima: cool. ;-) |
| 21:41:14 | andersee | I wonder if this is a hardware bug on the C800 then |
| 21:41:28 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: ?? It should be the same hardware, right? |
| 21:41:44 | CosmicPenguin | What does X say about the hardware? |
| 21:43:09 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF rev 0, Mem @ 0xe8000000/26, 0xfcffc000/14, I/O @ 0xcc00/8 |
| 21:43:58 | andersee | (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 |
| 21:43:58 | andersee | (II) ATI: Candidate "Device" section "Generic Video Card". |
| 21:43:58 | andersee | (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device |
| 21:43:58 | andersee | (--) Chipset ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP) found |
| 21:43:58 | andersee | (II) Loading sub module "r128" |
| 21:43:59 | andersee | (II) LoadModule: "r128" |
| 21:44:33 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh... I've got a ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF rev 2.... if that means anything? |
| 21:44:57 | andersee | BZFlag: and yours is? |
| 21:45:57 | Russ|werk | hmm...what should I patch ac5 with? |
| 21:46:06 | BZFlag | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) |
| 21:46:57 | BZFlag | (--) R128(0): Chipset: "ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x4c46) |
| 21:47:39 | BZFlag | (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF rev 2, Mem @ 0xf8000000/26, 0xf4100000/14, I/O @ 0x2000/8 |
| 21:47:55 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the same as me.... |
| 21:47:57 | BZFlag | enough spam? |
| 21:48:20 | BZFlag | I'm now running the test drivers: ATI-4.1.0.i386.tar.gz |
| 21:48:51 | BZFlag | http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos |
| 21:49:16 | BZFlag | I grabbed the binaries and added on top of the debian 4.1.0 install. |
| 21:49:29 | BZFlag | fixed my x overlay scaling bug |
| 21:50:55 | CosmicPenguin | There must be something broken in the kernel drivers (once again, huge surprise there....) |
| 21:51:37 | Russ|werk | my banshee is rock solid here (on kt133) |
| 21:52:19 | BZFlag | I'm using base kernel drivers 2.4.12 |
| 22:29:59 | bhima | "This is substantially more than the number of elementary particles in the known universe, so it is unlikely to be successfully allocated by malloc()" - a lecture on RSA |
| 22:32:47 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 22:34:37 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:45:24 | bhima | Do we have a verified correct 5v PCMCIA modification yet...? |
| 22:46:03 | AlHazWork | dunno, lemme harass duck |
| 22:47:51 | BZFlag | bhima: have not heard of one yet. |
| 22:48:34 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: not much progress with booting at D0000000 :-( |
| 22:49:48 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: I'm persuing that cause it would work in 16 or 40M and would be a start. |
| 22:57:24 | GPSFan_away | AlHazWork: when you ask duck about the 5V mod show him this and see if he agrees. http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/5vUpdate.jpg |
| 22:58:29 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: did you try blob memdebug to see if there are memory aliases that would work? |
| 22:59:24 | BZFlag | if we can find a few memory regions that are contiguous then 8M,16M,40M can all use the same kernel. |
| 23:08:09 | BZFlag | home |
| 23:27:14 | GoRK | hello |
| 23:27:20 | GoRK | argh i needed to talk to prpplague |
| 23:30:46 | AlHazWork | GPSFan: Duck's not really the man, but he & Kurt are real tight |
| 23:31:21 | AlHazWork | Duck says Kurt's modified a phone that's still running inferno, and the red light comes on as expected and it's delivering 5v - but he made changes to the circuit, and we don't know what they are yet |
| 23:34:32 | GoRK | who is kurt? someone who works for lucent? |
| 23:34:49 | AlHazWork | GoRK: local EE who has 4 phones but isn't nearly as active with 'em as he oughta be |
| 23:34:55 | AlHazWork | Duck's friend, Duck works at Lineo |
| 23:35:03 | GoRK | ahh. so he built a 5v modded phone? |
| 23:35:13 | GoRK | kurt that is |
| 23:35:41 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 23:35:57 | AlHazWork | he's also got a pcmcia debugging card, but we dunno if he's *used it |
| 23:36:02 | GoRK | whoot i have a shanip working fine now |
| 23:36:36 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Awesome.... |
| 23:37:04 | GoRK | well it's working.. not exactly "fine" but i can hear and playback stuff |
| 23:37:05 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: ok, I can ask that question again, what does it do that your piece of wire didn't?, ooh congrats too. |
| 23:37:43 | scanline | GoRK: I'm gonna build me one of those :) |
| 23:37:49 | GoRK | it patches the audio in/out through the dsp. my wire only let me playback through the speaker |
| 23:37:59 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Is that on a bread board? |
| 23:38:04 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: no it's on a pcb |
| 23:38:09 | CosmicPenguin | Damnit.... |
| 23:38:17 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: the DSP or the UCB1200? |
| 23:38:49 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: why? |
| 23:39:07 | GoRK | i couldnt get it working on a breadboard... the circut is a little funky |
| 23:39:34 | andersee | GoRK: so with some decent instructions, how long would it take to build? How much in parts? |
| 23:39:41 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I'm not good enough to build something on a PCB |
| 23:40:04 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: the ucb1200 audio in and out are patched directly into the dsp's audio interface |
| 23:40:32 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: that means it can take audio in/out from the handset or speakerphone |
| 23:41:09 | GoRK | andersee: about 10$ but i already had the resistors and pcb stuff... |
| 23:41:20 | GoRK | andersee: it took a while to make the pcb |
| 23:42:08 | andersee | using chemical pcb etching stuff? |
| 23:42:28 | GoRK | yeah ferric chloride |
| 23:42:28 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: so that means we can record stuff? |
| 23:42:45 | GoRK | spacecaoster: well right now it is sucking but sort of working, yeah |
| 23:43:24 | GoRK | its tough to get it to sound ok |
| 23:43:43 | GoRK | the levels are way hot |
| 23:44:14 | scanline | GoRK: I'm probably going to build mine on a breadboard so we can experiment with resistor values and other circuit modifications |
| 23:44:17 | andersee | Need some capacitores for hi and low pass filtering I'd expect |
| 23:44:28 | GoRK | scanline: i couldnt get it to work on a breadboard :( |
| 23:44:45 | scanline | Maybe I'll have better luck... |
| 23:44:47 | GoRK | resistors are explicitly specified. the caps are not. i really wish i knew cap values |
| 23:45:15 | andersee | You can calculate the needed cap values based inthe audio frequency ranges you wish to pass. |
| 23:45:31 | GoRK | it also looks like they used some non polarized ones where they had polarized specified and i used polarized ones |
| 23:45:48 | andersee | took an analog electronics class many years ago and still remembers... |
| 23:45:54 | GoRK | andersee: that's probably going to be dependent though on what the dsp can accept, which we dont know |
| 23:46:35 | andersee | We can guess. We know we wish to pass telco grade audio -- max at about 11khz... |
| 23:46:39 | scanline | warms up a soldering iron... |
| 23:47:53 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:48:03 | andersee | I can go find my electronics book and calculate the needed cap for a 11 khz high pass filter |
| 23:48:27 | AlHazWork | goin home |
| 23:51:14 | GoRK | there are a bunch listed on that sheet that just say '1-10uF' |
| 23:51:40 | ProtWork | F = 1/2*pi*R*C |
| 23:51:40 | ProtWork | :-) |
