| 00:27:41 | Sammy | morning all |
| 00:27:42 | other | do the DTR and RTS lines work on the tuxscreen? |
| 00:37:03 | AlHaz | on the serial port? |
| 00:37:05 | AlHaz | hell no |
| 00:37:08 | AlHaz | :) |
| 00:37:28 | scanline | darn, so we couldn't use a serial mouse? ;) |
| 00:37:42 | AlHaz | sa1100 serial is rx and tx only - the controll lines are implemented with gpio pins. it's there in the hardware, but we haven't implemented it in the driver. At least that's my understanding. |
| 00:37:46 | AlHaz | aparantly not |
| 00:44:44 | other | damn |
| 00:44:51 | other | i want my firecracker to work |
| 00:45:07 | scanline | other: X10 transmitter? |
| 00:45:16 | other | yes |
| 00:45:34 | scanline | those are fun, I have one hooked up to a microcontroller |
| 00:45:56 | scanline | all you need are 2 io lines to drive it, and some bit-banging softwre |
| 01:01:26 | Lenolium | is away: Dinner. |
| 02:06:28 | GPSFan | GoRK: hi, you still up? |
| 02:15:26 | GPSFan | GoRK: since you are still logged into IRC, I'll assume that you will get this when you come back. Look at http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/ucb.jpg again, I added a green circle around another pin you need to deal with to get the UCB1200 speaker working. It is pin 10, the VCC for the speaker driver. Tie it to +3.3V or you won't hear a peep. |
| 02:37:34 | BZFlag | GPSFan: have you tried it then? |
| 02:49:47 | Lenolium | is back (gone 01:48:19) |
| 02:49:56 | Lenolium | *plong* |
| 03:03:28 | GoRK | re |
| 03:04:08 | GoRK | i guess that is how ucb1200 gets unpowered speaker output |
| 03:04:16 | GoRK | i was kinda wondering that |
| 03:05:03 | GoRK | from the schematics ive seen the ucb1200 won't take unpowered mic either |
| 03:05:46 | GoRK | cats the days callerid history |
| 03:20:04 | GPSFan | GoRK: UCB1200 spec page 8 fig 4 shows an unpowered mic, page 10 fig 6 shows the speaker connections. |
| 03:20:27 | GoRK | hmm |
| 03:20:42 | GPSFan | BZFlag: I haven't tried connecting the UCB speaker as my Tux is in pieces so I can ring it out. |
| 03:20:50 | GoRK | where's the best place to get 3.3V for this? can i pull it from pin 48's pad or should i come right off the power supply connector? |
| 03:21:21 | GPSFan | GoRK: pin 1 & 2 of J600 should be ok |
| 03:21:40 | GoRK | ok |
| 03:22:35 | GPSFan | GoRK: ac couple the speaker if you run one end to ground. |
| 03:24:35 | GoRK | i am putting minijacks in so i can test things externally. i'm going for hmm they also mention an audio loopback mode for testing |
| 03:24:47 | GPSFan | pin 10 (speaker driver VCC) doesn't go to any of the voltage sources on the I/O board that I can find, to be safe put a 50 ohm or so resistor in series with pin 10 & 3.3v |
| 03:25:21 | GoRK | so i should indeed put a resistor in between pin 2 lets say of j600 and that pad... ok |
| 03:26:06 | GPSFan | I would, I don't want to fry something because I missed something. If it were mine I would. |
| 03:27:25 | GoRK | is vssa2 (7) tied to ground properly? |
| 03:28:30 | GPSFan | yes, just double checked... |
| 03:30:57 | GoRK | ok well im going to go hook something up |
| 03:31:26 | GPSFan | GoRK: do you have a scope? |
| 03:31:29 | GoRK | my microphone thing was unsuccessful at doing anything except giving me a different noise than i heard before... i also messed with MCP timings |
| 03:32:03 | GoRK | i dont have a scope no, closest thing ive got is a digital multimeter.. it can measure a constant ac frequency |
| 03:32:24 | GPSFan | ok, what was your microphone thing? |
| 03:32:50 | GoRK | haha i just coupled it to the speakerphone's mic. dont laugh at me |
| 03:33:29 | GoRK | i'm going to fix it properly this time.. or at least break it off so i dont have to solder to fool with changing things |
| 03:34:10 | GPSFan | did you connect it like fig 4? either type of mic needs a blocking capacitor. |
| 03:35:01 | GoRK | no that's my main problem. i also understand that if i want to connect it in the passive mode i should have coupled it to Vssa and ground instead of just between pin 20 and 21 |
| 03:35:40 | GoRK | but i didnt see that schematic before.. i was looking at that codecs.pdf and got confused between the two circuts |
| 03:36:35 | GoRK | needless to say, i'm not exactly that knowledgeable about electronics. :) i am just willing to rip things apart and poke at them mercilessly with a soldering iron |
| 03:37:47 | GPSFan | at least you dont use a hot nail or a blowtorch ;>() |
| 03:40:56 | GPSFan | Yes mic between a cap to pin 21 and ground. a dynamic or xtal mic that is. the one in the phone is active, and you would need both a blocking cap, and a bias resistor. |
| 03:42:18 | GoRK | what about the one in the handset? |
| 03:43:05 | GPSFan | don't know. |
| 03:43:51 | GoRK | well it explains the sound i am recording... it goes pinggggggggggg getting softer |
| 03:44:16 | GoRK | before the connection it was just static |
| 03:44:59 | GPSFan | does your dmm measure capacitance? if so you can use it as a signal generator. |
| 03:45:15 | GoRK | yes it does |
| 03:45:56 | GoRK | where do i need a signal generator? to test input? |
| 03:46:30 | GPSFan | try "measuring" a cap, tie one end to ground, and the other end through another cap to the mic input. it may be LOUD, and at an odd frequency. |
| 03:46:58 | GPSFan | maybe too high or low to hear. |
| 03:47:37 | GPSFan | Use it instead of a microphone. |
| 03:47:51 | GoRK | ok |
| 03:53:36 | GPSFan | on mt wavetek DM27XT on the 20nf range when I measure a .02uf cap I get a nice audible tone. |
| 03:54:25 | GPSFan | s/mt/my |
| 03:54:46 | GoRK | good trick :) |
| 03:56:11 | GPSFan | on the scope it is about .2v p-p about 100hz triangle wave. |
| 04:14:36 | GPSFan | GoRK: good luck, I'm outa here Zzzzzzzzz |
| 04:14:51 | GoRK | later. thanks for the help |
| 04:15:16 | GPSFan | ayntime... |
| 04:15:31 | GPSFan | sb--anytime... |
| 04:24:32 | Lenolium | *pling* |
| 05:49:04 | GoRK | heh ive got my tux running 'headless' you might say with all kinds of crap soldered to the comm board :) |
| 05:49:29 | scanline | got any audio output yet? |
| 05:52:42 | GoRK | actually... |
| 05:52:48 | GoRK | yes i seem to have something |
| 05:53:14 | scanline | cool |
| 05:53:21 | GoRK | tuxscreen:~# ./tonegen -f 400 -r 8000 |
| 05:53:23 | GoRK | The "sample rate" is 8000. The tone is 400 Hz at 0 dB down. |
| 05:53:54 | GoRK | meter reads 1.6kHz |
| 05:54:21 | scanline | at least there's output |
| 05:54:52 | GoRK | yeah when i kill the output it stops |
| 05:55:08 | GoRK | so it's doing something.. lemme see the voltage and maybe i can get a speaker hooked up |
| 05:55:41 | scanline | 2 x the sampling frequency is suspicious. sounds almost like a sampling clock |
| 05:57:00 | GoRK | very low voltage.. hrm i think i have a little piezo thing that this will driv |
| 05:57:01 | GoRK | e |
| 06:00:54 | GoRK | audio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:01:10 | scanline | correct audio? |
| 06:01:15 | GoRK | yep at 8khz anyway |
| 06:01:32 | scanline | nifty! |
| 06:01:57 | GoRK | this speaker is so sh**ty |
| 06:02:30 | GoRK | ok now to play some sampled stuff |
| 06:03:01 | GoRK | stupid debian |
| 06:03:26 | GoRK | debhelper is broken on my phone for some reason.. i dont have enough ram to make it go |
| 06:04:38 | scanline | traceproxy is acting dumb... |
| 06:11:05 | GoRK | ok well i think i got my debhelper problem fixed |
| 06:11:44 | GoRK | cept that i ran out of ram installing it |
| 06:12:10 | GoRK | no wait there |
| 06:12:40 | GoRK | it lives |
| 06:13:13 | GoRK | or i could bite the bullet and swap to CF card for 5 minutes |
| 06:14:19 | scanline | if only we had some SRAM cards |
| 06:14:34 | GoRK | for real |
| 06:14:39 | GoRK | well at least audio is playing |
| 06:14:59 | scanline | tried sampled audio yet? |
| 06:15:39 | GoRK | wont work until i can get my debian fixed so i can install some app to test it.. or at least netcat |
| 06:17:45 | scanline | just get esd running on it :) |
| 06:17:58 | GoRK | netcat is much more versatile and useful! |
| 06:18:18 | scanline | good point, I use netcat for so much these days |
| 06:18:36 | GoRK | man just that little bit of extra 'breathing room' makes this thing fly. we gotta get more ram in it |
| 06:18:47 | GoRK | even if it is cf swap |
| 06:19:10 | GoRK | you could so run a pretty boss little server from this using a CF microdrive and 96MB ram or so |
| 06:19:47 | GoRK | handhelds.org folks would be all about replacing their little skiff cluster with a tuxcluster |
| 06:20:32 | scanline | that would be cool |
| 06:21:00 | GoRK | i dont seem to remember the 'imagine a beowulf cluster of these' during the tuxscreen's slashdotting |
| 06:21:15 | scanline | haha. A beowulf cluster of phones :) |
| 06:21:43 | GoRK | i like mosix better than beowulf |
| 06:22:03 | GoRK | i have actually used mosix |
| 06:22:09 | scanline | never done any clustering myself, but of course the idea is cool |
| 06:22:43 | GoRK | you can do mosix with anything.. it offloads cpu intensive/io non intensive apps to the most suited box |
| 06:24:31 | GoRK | the idea being that computers go mostly unused... say you are in a small office environment and everyone needs a PIII 1ghz because occasionally they crank up that app that does heavy financial calculations/predictions whatever... with mosix, as long as you have 1 box that is super fast, whenever someone fires up that app, it will naturally migrate to that machine so that they achieve maximum performance |
| 06:24:54 | scanline | whoa |
| 06:25:51 | GoRK | it's pretty neat. it doesnt scale well for single process problems, but it's great for something like a shell server for a science department where multiple people run multiple simulations, etc |
| 06:28:05 | GoRK | ok finally! i can install sox |
| 06:30:03 | GoRK | and of course madplay... *THE* arm mp3 player :) |
| 06:30:08 | GoRK | all integer math. crazy! |
| 06:30:12 | scanline | wow |
| 06:33:01 | GoRK | my mp3's wont mount up.. hrm |
| 06:38:32 | GoRK | they almost work :) |
| 06:48:31 | GoRK | i get bits and pieces |
| 07:05:33 | GoRK | ok it works |
| 07:05:49 | scanline | wish I could say the same about this networking code :) |
| 07:06:08 | GoRK | im listening to prodigy now |
| 07:06:21 | scanline | cool |
| 07:06:22 | GoRK | on my phone :) |
| 07:07:53 | scanline | how's the quality? |
| 07:08:07 | GoRK | crap. 8khz |
| 07:08:12 | scanline | ah |
| 07:08:26 | scanline | it doesn't go higher than that? |
| 07:08:32 | GoRK | it can maybe do more with tweaking.. all we need for telephone is 11 |
| 07:08:42 | GoRK | i think there are some proprietary ioctls you have to do to get 11khz is all |
| 07:09:03 | scanline | proprietary? |
| 07:09:11 | GoRK | ucb1200-audio driver specific |
| 07:09:15 | GoRK | i am using its oss mode |
| 07:09:17 | scanline | oh |
| 07:14:36 | GoRK | it sounds much better on the phone's internal speaker |
| 07:20:11 | GoRK | hey wow an unused LED header on the board! |
| 07:20:37 | GoRK | and a bunch o buttons |
| 07:21:04 | GoRK | well only two unused.. line1/line2 |
| 07:21:19 | scanline | an upgrade path :) |
| 07:23:39 | GoRK | heh yeah |
| 07:24:50 | GoRK | the led lightguides are rubber.. kidn of weird |
| 07:27:36 | scanline | yeah |
| 07:27:48 | scanline | curses at Perl networking code... |
| 07:29:28 | GoRK | brb |
| 07:36:41 | Lenolium | *plong* |
| 07:36:51 | Lenolium | *pling* |
| 07:38:20 | scanline | Wow!!! |
| 07:38:42 | scanline | I don't even need this perl networking junk, I can use netcat :) |
| 07:39:29 | Lenolium | Hehe. |
| 07:39:31 | Lenolium | Yup. |
| 07:40:06 | scanline | $ mkfifo foo |
| 07:40:07 | scanline | $ nc -l -p 30452 <foo | nc localhost 30450 > foo |
| 07:48:04 | GoRK | whoot |
| 07:48:10 | GoRK | ok i wired it all up internally |
| 07:48:23 | GoRK | i now have an audio-playback-from-software capable phone |
| 07:48:51 | scanline | nifty! |
| 07:48:54 | GoRK | it should be significantly *louder* this time as well |
| 07:49:02 | scanline | Is it through the headphone jack or builtin speaker? |
| 07:49:12 | GoRK | the resistor did not seem to be necessary |
| 07:49:13 | scanline | s/the/a/ |
| 07:50:26 | GoRK | built in speaker.. playback available any time.. .. but this is just for testing. im not an electronics buff. i would like someone to help me design a support board that would let a relay flip/flop audio connection between the mic/speaker of the handset and the mic/speaker of the speakerphone |
| 07:51:31 | GoRK | in other words, normally we would have ucb1200 audio in/out through the built in speaker/mic, but if we issued a dsp LED command, we could change that over to the handset |
| 07:52:05 | scanline | Would it be able to play sampled audio on the phone line? |
| 07:52:43 | GoRK | and maybe the circut could also include a small amp to get nice volumes.. and yeah.. maybe another relay to enable the ucb1200 audio to go to the phone line as well |
| 07:53:20 | scanline | Can the DSP recognize DTMF codes from the phone line? |
| 07:53:37 | GoRK | yes |
| 07:53:41 | scanline | ooh |
| 07:54:06 | scanline | so many possibilities :) |
| 07:55:01 | GoRK | naturally |
| 07:56:31 | GoRK | booting up... time to see if this mod worked |
| 07:57:03 | GoRK | should have |
| 07:58:05 | GoRK | yup |
| 07:58:15 | GoRK | HHGTTG is playing from the speaker :) |
| 07:58:31 | scanline | Wow, reason enough for anyone to do the mod! |
| 07:58:44 | GoRK | nice loud and clear too |
| 07:59:21 | GoRK | well i wanted to see if audio *could* work (now we know it can) |
| 07:59:41 | GoRK | so i guess i was successful in that mission... now i need to turn things over to the circut gurus :) |
| 07:59:46 | scanline | I saw the jpeg GPSfan posted. So was this just a matter of connecting the amp power to 3.3v and hooking ucb1200 output to DSP input? |
| 07:59:47 | GoRK | any circut gurus here? :)) |
| 08:00:14 | GoRK | no i hooked ucb1200 audio out directly to the header on the board that goes to the internal speaker |
| 08:00:29 | GoRK | .. fixed MCP registers in the kernel driver and it worked :) |
| 08:00:35 | scanline | ah, so the internal speaker can't be a speakerphone? |
| 08:00:59 | GoRK | no it can.. its just connected in parallel |
| 08:01:41 | scanline | so what happens if you play audio with the speakerphone on? |
| 08:02:07 | GoRK | both sounds come out |
| 08:02:50 | GoRK | CPU states: 2.3% user, 3.6% system, 0.0% nice, 94.2% idle <-- tux playing audio over network |
| 08:03:05 | scanline | wow |
| 08:03:44 | Lenolium | Mp3's? |
| 08:03:56 | GoRK | yeah im listening to hitchikers guide to the galaxy |
| 08:04:45 | Lenolium | Uhm... Wow. |
| 08:06:16 | GoRK | audio output: |
| 08:06:16 | GoRK | enabled: yes |
| 08:06:16 | GoRK | interrupts: 972003 |
| 08:06:16 | GoRK | wakeups: 0 |
| 08:06:16 | GoRK | samples: 3888056 |
| 08:06:17 | GoRK | underruns: 5 |
| 08:10:31 | GoRK | ok i have mp3's playing natively now |
| 08:10:47 | GoRK | beastie boys hehe |
| 08:11:43 | GoRK | CPU states: 27.1% user, 2.9% system, 0.0% nice, 70.0% idle |
| 08:12:02 | GoRK | still not very good.. but im using mpg321 which uses floats |
| 08:12:23 | GoRK | there it goes w/ madplay |
| 08:12:33 | GoRK | yes much better :) |
| 08:14:31 | GoRK | seems to be going at 44.1khz too.. or at least accepting the stream at that rate |
| 08:16:40 | GoRK | heh it seems to work over the net also :) |
| 08:16:48 | GoRK | shoutcast |
| 08:17:01 | scanline | fun! |
| 08:17:19 | scanline | standalone shoutcast jukebox, just add cable modem |
| 08:17:21 | GoRK | i need to get a setpri madplay... and probably play with my kernel timings a bit |
| 08:18:25 | GoRK | it doesnt like to play via nfs.. probably more of a problem w/ my mount options than anything else |
| 08:21:11 | Lenolium | GoRK: Now, what I really want to do is load the in/out of the ucb1200 into the phone line in/outs, so that I can use all the phone stuff for VoIP. :) |
| 08:21:37 | Lenolium | Oh, and if you can get that to magically work without any hardware modifications, that would be great. Thx. ;) |
| 08:22:06 | GoRK | i am more interested in using the phone as a voip client, but im sure either way will be good |
| 08:23:37 | Lenolium | Liar. |
| 08:23:50 | Lenolium | I mean... I'm tired, That sounds good. :) |
| 08:23:54 | GoRK | haha |
| 08:24:06 | GoRK | well find us a circut guru to design the bad boy |
| 08:25:20 | GoRK | it needs to connect ucb1200 audio and mic lines to either the handset or the speakerphone stuff based on the state of a realy, and it needs to be able to bridge them to the phone line with another relay state |
| 08:26:06 | GoRK | afaik, the mic for the speakerphone is a little different to interface w/ vs the mic in the handset, so all that circutry needs to go on there as well |
| 08:26:19 | GoRK | im posting a better description of this provebial beast to the list |
| 08:48:18 | BZFlag | nite |
| 09:01:00 | GoRK | later folks. im off also |
| 09:56:21 | scanline | 'night everybody |
| 09:56:32 | scanline | is away: sleep |
| 13:09:59 | pattieja | is back (gone 14:04:16) |
| 13:12:14 | CosmicPenguin | Good morning |
| 13:12:20 | prpplague | collord: just got the ceiva from the shipping bay |
| 13:13:07 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: 'mornin, did you say something about working BlueTooth last night? |
| 13:13:21 | mallum | mornin all |
| 13:14:28 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: Yeah, its a project I'm working on..... |
| 13:15:44 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: swell, working from Tux? or just working in general? |
| 13:16:31 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: Just in general, but I'll definately stick one on the tux when I get it all worked out |
| 13:16:53 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: sounds good. |
| 13:19:08 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: It looks like this should be out by comdex.... |
| 13:19:38 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: what hardware are you using? |
| 13:20:41 | CosmicPenguin | New stuff from a big MUC (mysterious unknown company).... :) |
| 13:20:51 | GPSFan | Whooooooo! |
| 13:21:09 | CosmicPenguin | PCMCIA and CF cards.... |
| 13:21:48 | CosmicPenguin | I'll let you know when it goes offical.... |
| 13:23:42 | GPSFan | Thanks, will they support the higher powered modes? |
| 13:35:16 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: Doubt full |
| 13:45:41 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: just wondering ;>) |
| 13:46:20 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: Isn't that always the way it is? |
| 13:46:50 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: Yep! |
| 13:46:51 | CosmicPenguin | By the time big companies push their electronics out to the customer, us geeks come up with a new and better standard |
| 13:47:17 | CosmicPenguin | Execpt, in this case, its Bluetooth, so "new and better" may not apply |
| 13:57:55 | collord | prpplague: ooh ooh ooh (checks small-linux pages) |
| 14:00:49 | nelson | Ugh. /me is starting to figure out that he needs a cross-development environment. |
| 14:02:38 | prpplague | collord: forgot my camera |
| 14:02:57 | prpplague | collord: i'll have to pic it up at lunch |
| 14:03:13 | prpplague | collord: 4 meg ram, 2 meg flash |
| 14:03:58 | prpplague | collord: seems the lcd control also has a 2meg ram module as well |
| 14:07:03 | mallum | nelson: get a Cats board :) |
| 14:12:38 | collord | prpplague: sufficient. |
| 14:17:10 | prpplague | collord: i'll be back latter with camera |
| 14:20:42 | collord | mallum: where can one actually buy a Cats board, pref. in the US? |
| 14:24:44 | mallum | collord: not sure in the US, I got mine from simtec.co.uk - Im sure they'd ship |
| 14:26:27 | collord | mallum: and the ballpark cost? |
| 14:27:20 | mallum | collord: about 350 quid |
| 14:30:42 | collord | mallum: thanks |
| 14:35:59 | mallum | collord: Its a bit of a pain to get working, but I know what hoops to jump through now |
| 14:36:13 | mallum | collord: Im just about to build a 2.4 kernel for it ... |
| 14:42:08 | Lenolium | *plong* |
| 14:51:55 | scanline | is back (gone 04:55:24) |
| 15:06:22 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Is your web server down? |
| 15:17:56 | nelson | mallum: what is a Cats board? |
| 15:18:35 | nelson | mallum: ouch. You could probably pick up a netwinder for that price. |
| 15:18:44 | mallum | nelson: Its a sa110 based motherboard that takes 'normal' ( has pci and isa slots ) parts |
| 15:18:56 | mallum | nelson: yeah but can you put 256meg in a netwinder |
| 15:19:29 | mallum | nelson: + netwinders are expensive + difficult to get in UK |
| 15:23:59 | mallum | nelson: also I had enough spare bits lying around at home to put it togeather |
| 15:27:09 | CosmicPenguin | Did somebody fix the MTD snapshot problem in the buildroot? |
| 15:28:05 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: which one? |
| 15:28:08 | AlHazWork | the "... |
| 15:28:10 | AlHazWork | " one? |
| 15:28:31 | CosmicPenguin | There was an obsolete file in there yesterday, wasn't there? |
| 15:29:39 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 15:29:45 | AlHazWork | there was an obsolete file in there last week |
| 15:29:49 | AlHazWork | and then it was fixed |
| 15:29:59 | CosmicPenguin | Ok..... |
| 15:30:03 | mallum | is the bb patch now fixed ? |
| 15:30:09 | AlHazWork | but i don't know *how obsolete you mean |
| 15:30:28 | AlHazWork | the problem I had with mtd was syntax in a file that my obsolete compiler didn't understand |
| 15:30:30 | CosmicPenguin | obsolete in the sense that the file didn't exit anymore |
| 15:30:38 | CosmicPenguin | or exist, even... |
| 15:30:45 | AlHazWork | duck says that the mtd tools he's got don't actually make a filesystem |
| 15:30:55 | AlHazWork | that was yesterday, iirc |
| 15:31:21 | CosmicPenguin | In other words, don't be blindly doing cvs updates? |
| 15:31:27 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 15:34:20 | mallum | wonders why anybody would pay $100 for 'lindows' |
| 15:36:13 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: You alive today? |
| 16:02:45 | CosmicPenguin | Oops, wrong button |
| 16:03:03 | signal11 | mallum the #1 complaint about linux is that people's favorite windows app isn't available. |
| 16:03:25 | signal11 | and it costs less than real windows... |
| 16:03:36 | signal11 | if it worked well, i can easily see companies paying for it |
| 16:03:57 | signal11 | hell, if it can run ie5 and our CRM program, i'd consider moving to it here |
| 16:04:09 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: If I could get half life working well on my desktop, *I* would pay a couple hundred dollars for the privilage... |
| 16:07:25 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Just as a side note, has anyone tried TinyTerm under WINE? |
| 16:13:38 | signal11 | heh, not yet. i doubt the com stuff would work |
| 16:13:43 | signal11 | but it's worth a try |
| 16:13:52 | signal11 | hell, we could use that as a sales pitch if it did work. |
| 16:13:53 | signal11 | great idea |
| 16:14:02 | signal11 | people have asked about running tiny term on linux |
| 16:14:29 | CosmicPenguin | But we do have tiny term for linux |
| 16:14:42 | signal11 | term |
| 16:14:47 | signal11 | not quite the same functionality |
| 16:15:05 | signal11 | it's really designed for automation, not to run on a desktop |
| 16:15:48 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, my bad.... |
| 16:16:58 | Bklyn | my buddy Bob at work got his TuxScreen |
| 16:17:14 | Bklyn | he just has to dig up the old laplink cable now and he'll be another happy customer |
| 16:54:32 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 17:01:47 | GoRK | greetings |
| 17:02:14 | AlHazWork | nanoo nanoo |
| 17:03:04 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: you around? |
| 17:04:12 | CosmicPenguin | I am here |
| 17:05:00 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: thanks for that patch. that is looking cool. is it complete enough to apply to cvs? |
| 17:06:24 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Your the maintainer, so you should decide... |
| 17:07:15 | CosmicPenguin | Later, I will start writing an app, so I will get some real-world stuff in there.... |
| 17:07:51 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:07:53 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: well... my phone is currently in quite a state due to my audio hackery so i can't really test it.. but i like the idea of the direction, so unless it totally breaks things, i am fine with it going into cvs |
| 17:08:05 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: but i am listening to mp3's on the phone now :) |
| 17:08:11 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Can we leave it out for 48 hours? |
| 17:08:30 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Thats awesome.... I am looking forward to pictures and instructions for us hardware impared folks... |
| 17:09:04 | Bklyn | so the DSP has been conquered? |
| 17:09:07 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: sure.. i am going out of town though, so whenever it's ready, if you can just apply it to cvs that would be awesome. i know that scanline is itching for it.. he's got the current one all hacked directly into the gui |
| 17:09:44 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Ok.... I want to hear his experiences as well, so I know what commands/events we should use |
| 17:09:58 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: yeah i think i will put those up tonight, though, ive only got audio playback (i am electronics impared also) |
| 17:10:41 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: and im sure the audio "mod" will change drastically whenever we can find someone who can perhaps design a little circut board to stick in there that does all those neat things |
| 17:11:10 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I'm actually excited about that... I think it would be kind of cool to download and play the Nokia custom rings when the phone rings... :) |
| 17:11:21 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: im going to forward him this stuff you sent me.. so he has an idea of what's going on w/ that |
| 17:11:28 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Awesome.... |
| 17:11:29 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: that is already possible!!! :) |
| 17:11:48 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I know, but I want to see it happen..... |
| 17:12:40 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: If scanline has any changes, by all means stick them in..... The only other thing I want to add is stdin/stdout support.... |
| 17:12:48 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: i need to abstract the ring function so that it can be replaced by a client.... |
| 17:13:01 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: oh wait. i already did.. whoops |
| 17:13:18 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I definately know that we want an IGNORE command..... |
| 17:13:31 | GoRK | Ignore what? ignore rings? |
| 17:13:33 | CosmicPenguin | That would turn off the ring and basiaclly not answer the phone.... |
| 17:13:51 | GoRK | if you turn the ringer volume all the way down it won't make a noise. it will flash the big led though |
| 17:13:54 | CosmicPenguin | So you could filter out Anonymous or Unknown calls.... |
| 17:14:09 | GoRK | oh yeah... that |
| 17:14:37 | Bklyn | So you guys have the DSP licked (mostly at least)? |
| 17:14:43 | CosmicPenguin | I see a window come up that say: Call from 555-123-4567 Unknown with a big IGNORE button..... |
| 17:14:51 | CosmicPenguin | If I hit it, then *poof* |
| 17:15:17 | Bklyn | hey thats my #! |
| 17:15:28 | CosmicPenguin | (Kinda like the cookies on my browser... :) ) |
| 17:15:29 | GoRK | clients need a way then to replace/trap certain operations of the phon |
| 17:15:48 | CosmicPenguin | Bklyn: Really? I had that number, but then I got rid of it for 555-765-4321 |
| 17:16:16 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I agree.... |
| 17:16:49 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, even if you choose to ignore a number, you still have to put up with the first ring while the CID comes in |
| 17:16:54 | GoRK | certain things will always be totally event driven, but others.. clients might have something else on their agenda... like rings... If a client wants to, they can not only recieve notification of the ring event, they can make RING_ON do something totally different |
| 17:17:17 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: you dont ahve to ring the bell on the first ring though :) |
| 17:17:44 | CosmicPenguin | True, true... |
| 17:17:58 | CosmicPenguin | I think the important point is that we can do anything we damn well please now..... |
| 17:18:12 | GoRK | heh hell yeah we can! |
| 17:19:07 | GoRK | anyway, I think the best way to do it would be if the client could connect and set a TRAP_RING flag or something similar. the phone daemon would still process the event only it wouldn't actually perform any of its functions |
| 17:19:30 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I like that |
| 17:20:06 | GoRK | they could make those requests when they request which events to recieve |
| 17:21:41 | GoRK | can clients currently change their minds (so to speak) without creating a new connection? ie. can the decide in the middle of their operation that they want to start recieving callerid data? |
| 17:22:03 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Sure |
| 17:22:28 | GoRK | ok just checking |
| 17:22:41 | GoRK | i wont have time to work on this thing at all until at least saturday |
| 17:23:04 | GoRK | i was hoping to get hold implemented maybe tonight but chances arent really that good |
| 17:23:19 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Same here..... |
| 17:23:34 | CosmicPenguin | We're looking at the beginning of the week before anything substancial happens |
| 17:25:09 | GoRK | anyway... initially i can see needing to trap the ring event, the offhook/onhook events (youd have to do those together anyway), the flash event, the hold event, the mute event, the volume event, and the dialing event :) wow that's aobut all of them huh? |
| 17:25:58 | CosmicPenguin | Yep.... And on the command side we would need to be able to emulate all of the buttons (hold, volume, etc), set LED and dial... |
| 17:26:18 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, and hook off.... |
| 17:26:36 | GoRK | and hook on for that matter :) |
| 17:26:40 | CosmicPenguin | True.... |
| 17:26:56 | CosmicPenguin | You can slam the phone down by banging on your touchscreen.... :) |
| 17:27:07 | GoRK | those just have to call the appropriate functions with the right parameters |
| 17:27:44 | GoRK | the only bizzare one is the callerid, which passes a pointer to an array.. but we wouldnt need to simulate recieving callerid |
| 17:28:14 | CosmicPenguin | Right..... We just need to send the strings back to the client |
| 17:29:45 | GoRK | actually... we might need to support that come to think about it.. |
| 17:30:04 | GoRK | but it wouldnt have to go through the real callerid parser |
| 17:30:22 | GoRK | since the only way callerid comes out of the daemon is on the event stack |
| 17:31:19 | GoRK | i was just thinking that the nicest thing about this whole design is that we could have a client applicaion that could provide voip service and the normal gui phone application (also a client) wouldnt even know the difference. it would continue to function normally |
| 17:32:39 | GoRK | and at the same time as all of that, a client could be running to provide ignore functions for calls with unknown or blocked callerid |
| 17:33:23 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:38:50) |
| 17:33:47 | GoRK | anyway i need to put my phone back together.. bbiab |
| 17:37:32 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 48 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: SpaceCoaster: do you have CVS commit permissions? Just check the stuff in, but leave it disabled by default (till it is working cleanly) [Tue Oct 23 17:49:16 2001] |
| 17:37:32 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: seen andersee |
| 17:37:40 | CosmicPenguin | Damnit, that was yesterday.... |
| 17:39:47 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: hi |
| 17:39:54 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: whats the good word? |
| 17:40:10 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: food? |
| 17:40:31 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, thats a pretty good one.... |
| 17:41:10 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: how are you today, seems like you 'n gork are brainstorming up a dream machine! |
| 17:41:35 | CosmicPenguin | Well, GoRK's daemon is a thing of beauty by itself.... |
| 17:41:48 | CosmicPenguin | I am so excited to have a phone that I can program to do what ever I want it to do.... |
| 17:42:12 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: me too, telecoms stuff is always so mediocre |
| 17:42:24 | CosmicPenguin | Now, if I can just get it to play insulting messages to numbers I don't want to talk to..... |
| 17:42:36 | CosmicPenguin | Ex girlfriends, etc..... :) |
| 17:42:50 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: custom messages, soo cool |
| 17:43:26 | GoRK | back |
| 17:43:30 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: audio :) |
| 17:43:59 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: I have a question about 2.4.10, I think I can't get X to find the touchscreen, I think it is the device misc (10 14) but not sure, any ideas |
| 17:44:36 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: I saw congrats, us software hackers, "we don't need no stinking resistors" just wire it up! |
| 17:44:41 | CosmicPenguin | No, I haven't upgraded yet.... did they bugger with the driver? |
| 17:44:57 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: muchly, looks prettier tho' |
| 17:45:20 | CosmicPenguin | I'll have to grab that.... do they really screw us up and try to do a dynamic major? |
| 17:45:46 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: it might do with a much smaller resistor, but it seems ok without it.. |
| 17:46:57 | SpaceCoaster | I guess the only issue might be if you switch a relay and connect two outputs together accidentally, Tangent or GPSFan would probably know. |
| 17:47:48 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: no not dynamic, just hidden away, it's restructured to be "offical" and generic, but I'm sure it only supports the TuxScreen :-) |
| 17:48:16 | GoRK | i hope ofne of those guys will be willing to design up a little PCB to do all that fun stuff :) |
| 17:48:20 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: but if you have CID, then the tuxscreen could suppress the first ring. |
| 17:48:39 | SpaceCoaster | nelson: thats what I want too! |
| 17:48:41 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: Am I wrong? Does the first cid arrive on the first ring or the second? |
| 17:48:51 | GoRK | it arrives between the first and second rings |
| 17:49:00 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: And the second packet arrives after the second ring? |
| 17:49:15 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: no, it's all one packet. |
| 17:49:20 | GoRK | no it is one packet.. you have to pull it from the dsp in two chunks |
| 17:49:34 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Ok.... look at me being all DSP centric.... :) |
| 17:49:56 | CosmicPenguin | <--- All I ever needed to know about telecom I learned from my Tuxscreen.... |
| 17:50:57 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: gonna do a brain dump on the Wiki, post your code before you vanish? |
| 17:51:25 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: yeah im going to post tonight.. i dont think any code has to be changed for audio |
| 17:51:43 | GoRK | i mean i changed the mcp timings, but i dont think it was necessary... i havent had time to compile up a kernel w/o it |
| 17:52:16 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: I'm sure you are correct, the _audio.c overrides everything. |
| 17:52:34 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: did you have to use sox, how did you route the audio? |
| 17:53:23 | SpaceCoaster | is eating lunch |
| 17:55:09 | GoRK | i started using a program i found that just generates tones and ran my tux w/o screen and things... put my multimeter in Hz measuring mode, wired a resistor between pin 10 and 3.3v and some leads to the speaker pins... i was getting a frequency that would cut off when i stopped "playback" so i wired up a crap little piezo speaker to it and got sound |
| 17:55:51 | GoRK | then i tried driving the internal speaker and it was much louder/cleaner so i wired the pads to the speaker header |
| 18:09:23 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: I never thought of running it "headless", I guess it would run fine with the lid off, what a fine toy we have! |
| 18:11:23 | SpaceCoaster | SpaceCoaster: Today I will mostly be reading and writing to the serial flash. |
| 18:17:19 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: You said "i dont think any code has to be changed for audio", now ain't that sweet! |
| 18:17:46 | GoRK | yep |
| 18:18:25 | GoRK | but it quite possibly might on the newer kernels |
| 18:19:09 | GoRK | the audio is a little choppy |
| 18:21:09 | Bklyn | You might try the preemption patch |
| 18:21:21 | SpaceCoaster | I'm checking this stuff in the newer kernels so we can be nearer the leading edge |
| 18:21:29 | Bklyn | it apparently does a better job of time-slicing things like audio |
| 18:23:04 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: you aren't using wheaties/DSP for your audio? |
| 18:23:19 | scanline | is back (gone 01:15:28) |
| 18:23:29 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: no |
| 18:23:44 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: it's all ucb1200 |
| 18:24:35 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: just checking that we are on the same page |
| 18:25:22 | SpaceCoaster | Bklyn: the patch sounds interesting, and where might it be hidden? |
| 18:25:34 | Bklyn | heh |
| 18:25:41 | Bklyn | check |
| 18:26:04 | Bklyn | kpreempt.sf.net for the background |
| 18:26:05 | Bklyn | and ... |
| 18:26:11 | Bklyn | http://tech9.net/rml/linux |
| 18:26:16 | Bklyn | for the latest patches against 2.4.12+ |
| 18:26:26 | Bklyn | I am using it w/2.4.12-ac3 myself |
| 18:26:46 | Bklyn | haven't really done any audio benchmarks, but interactive performance under load seems better |
| 18:27:05 | Bklyn | notices that the -ac tree is up to -ac6 |
| 18:27:09 | Bklyn | sighs |
| 18:28:14 | SpaceCoaster | Bklyn: thanks |
| 18:28:26 | Bklyn | np |
| 18:29:08 | Bklyn | note also that the -linus and -ac kernels have diverged rather radiaclly by now |
| 18:29:16 | Bklyn | it might be interesting to try each |
| 18:30:22 | SpaceCoaster | I think I'm gonna try to work within the ac-rmk-np-tux food chain for now, thanks |
| 18:31:43 | Bklyn | ac = alan cox in this context? |
| 18:32:02 | Bklyn | whats the CPU in the tuxphone again? is it ARM? |
| 18:32:48 | SpaceCoaster | yes to ac, yes to ARM, StrongArm to be specific |
| 18:33:06 | kernelwork | needs a hand with his ARM... |
| 18:33:35 | kernelwork | Does anyone have a good busybox.tar.gz and busybox patch file? |
| 18:34:01 | Bklyn | SpaceCoaster: cool, cuz the -ac tree seems to be heavy w/ARM updates |
| 18:35:46 | CosmicPenguin | Bklyn: The RMK is always heavier though.... |
| 18:36:24 | CosmicPenguin | Perhaps AC is accepting more RMK stuff.... assuming of course, he doesn't decide to restrict it from US citizens.... |
| 18:36:25 | Bklyn | RMK = ? |
| 18:37:38 | CosmicPenguin | Russell King - the king of ARM |
| 18:38:49 | Bklyn | ah cool |
| 18:39:06 | Bklyn | from notes.2412 on the ac tree: |
| 18:39:07 | Bklyn | o ARM config updates (Russell King) |
| 18:39:12 | Bklyn | (one of many lines w/his name) |
| 18:39:39 | scanline | GoRK: still here? I got your mail with the new tuxphone. After I make sure these changes to the client lib work, I'm gonna have some fun writing a frontend for it :) |
| 18:40:46 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: I've decided against doing the applet thing for now in microwindows. |
| 18:40:50 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: I did a good bit of that client stuff, so hack the heck out of it and let me know what you think |
| 18:41:00 | CosmicPenguin | Especially give me some real world feedback |
| 18:41:10 | scanline | I definitely will :) |
| 18:41:22 | scanline | yeah, GoRK told me you sent him this big patch with all the networking stuff |
| 18:41:28 | GoRK | scanline: yeah as i said that's cosmicpenguins daemon code.. if you find a bug with that talk to him, if you find a bug in the phone talk to me :) |
| 18:41:36 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: I'm going to do a menubar at the top just like everybody else. |
| 18:41:47 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Unix socket for now, though, its just a change from AF_UNIX to AF_INET |
| 18:41:59 | CosmicPenguin | kernelwork: I'm still going to do that change we talked about.... its better in the long run anyway |
| 18:42:06 | scanline | yep, and a handful of ntohs() and friends |
| 18:42:08 | kernelwork | Cool |
| 18:42:28 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: yeah.... |
| 18:42:46 | scanline | I think we need a naming convention for tuxphone frontends |
| 18:42:56 | scanline | pgtuxphone, nxtuxphone, clituxphone? |
| 18:43:24 | GoRK | dont forget xtuxphone :) |
| 18:43:31 | scanline | yeah |
| 18:43:36 | scanline | I still need to try X on this thing... |
| 18:43:46 | kernelwork | mmm... nano-X |
| 18:43:51 | CosmicPenguin | And qpetuxphone... |
| 18:44:00 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: I have first dibs on tom - Tux-O-Matic |
| 18:44:20 | GoRK | heh. tuxomatic huh? are you hooking it to a food processor or what? |
| 18:44:21 | CosmicPenguin | That one guy was all gunhoe about GPE, then he just disappeared |
| 18:44:42 | GoRK | wasnt that ctr? |
| 18:44:53 | CosmicPenguin | "Tuxscreen - Its just like a cell phone, but its really big and you can't take it anywhere" |
| 18:45:01 | scanline | Oh yeah, we'll need qnxtuxphone |
| 18:45:09 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: No, ctr is the Ferite guy |
| 18:45:12 | GoRK | hrm |
| 18:45:32 | GoRK | maybe he's quietly beating us to the coolest distro for tuxscreen :) |
| 18:45:36 | CosmicPenguin | As long as we don't have cetuxphone.... |
| 18:45:50 | GoRK | i thought about trying to load CE up on this beast |
| 18:45:54 | CosmicPenguin | or xptuxphone |
| 18:46:32 | scanline | hehe. Hopefully PicoGUI will win the race for first working phone GUI |
| 18:46:52 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Not only hopefully, it will..... |
| 18:47:25 | CosmicPenguin | Cause I won't get to it before this weekend at the earliest.... |
| 18:48:05 | CosmicPenguin | Plus, I have stopped seeing the value in staying up till 2:00 in the morning working on something that I'm not getting paid for.... |
| 18:48:28 | scanline | value? it's a fun project! |
| 18:48:31 | kernelwork | CosmicPenguin: I'd be happy to help, but knowing how my stuff goes I'll be too busy not getting around to my GPS app for the next week. |
| 18:48:52 | CosmicPenguin | And kernelwork and bowb keep talking about helping, but I haven't seen any code yet |
| 18:49:01 | scanline | hehe |
| 18:49:05 | kernelwork | I'm not sure he's referring to tuxscreen... |
| 18:49:36 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Yeah, its definately fun..... but no longer mysterious -- all the secrets have been revealed |
| 18:49:39 | bowb | int main() { |
| 18:49:43 | bowb | return; |
| 18:49:45 | bowb | } |
| 18:50:16 | SpaceCoaster | bowb: doesn't compile, 6 warnings :-( |
| 18:50:37 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Yeah, but its *small* |
| 18:50:39 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, I know what you mean. I used to hack at the Game Boy occasionally. When it went from being mysterious to being just another game platform, it wasn't as fun |
| 18:50:58 | SpaceCoaster | bowb: but thanks for playing! |
| 18:51:20 | kernelwork | "Every program has at least one bug and can be reduced by at least one line of code, by this we find that every program can be reduced to one line of code that doesn't work" -- paraphrase from fortune |
| 18:52:53 | SpaceCoaster | hmm, mucho censoft presence these days |
| 18:53:20 | bowb | we all sit ten feet from each other |
| 18:53:27 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Yep, I infected them all |
| 18:53:36 | kernelwork | Cosmic and I are in the cubes next to bowb |
| 18:54:29 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Interesting article |
| 18:55:43 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: they did your audio loop hardware |
| 18:58:07 | BZFlag | I believe these are the mods that shaggy's phone has. |
| 19:00:43 | collord | BZFlag: is this newly released data or newly found? |
| 19:01:30 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan and Tangent will be happy chappies? |
| 19:06:45 | SpaceCoaster | The pcmcia conversion is neat http://erire.com/eshan/fivevolt.jpg looks like it was done on the back of a napkin. |
| 19:07:18 | BZFlag | collord: newly released from a Lucent team member involved in the mods. |
| 19:07:27 | collord | cool |
| 19:10:43 | AlHazWork | looks like it makes pcmcia always 5v |
| 19:16:44 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: I think there is a switch someplace? |
| 19:18:30 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: hmm, lemme look again |
| 19:18:30 | BZFlag | this is very cool. We need to produce a few hundred daughter cards now. Anyone volunteer? ;-) |
| 19:19:05 | AlHazWork | yeah, looks like it |
| 19:19:25 | AlHazWork | few cards are only 3.3v, shouldn't be a problem for most people |
| 19:20:18 | BZFlag | J1 (e.g. a 2 PIN JUMPER) on the Shanip additional board design |
| 19:20:19 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Execpt if you want to use CF cards |
| 19:21:06 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: many are 5v tolerant, iirc |
| 19:22:11 | BZFlag | yes, CF cards are required to be both 3.3 and 5 volt |
| 19:24:44 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Cool, I didn't know that.... |
| 19:26:02 | Bklyn | do most cards require 5v? |
| 19:26:04 | Bklyn | like ethernet |
| 19:26:18 | AlHazWork | Ahh, this mod modifies the top slot |
| 19:26:25 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: Most existing cards, yes |
| 19:26:33 | AlHazWork | so you still have one 3.3v-only slot |
| 19:26:48 | kernelwork | Does anyone know where /n |
| 19:26:55 | kernelwork | oops |
| 19:27:15 | GoRK | hello |
| 19:27:40 | kernelwork | Has anyone here heard of the .tpo file format? |
| 19:27:47 | GoRK | woah that url came out of nowhere! |
| 19:28:10 | kernelwork | National Geographic TOPO! format to be specific |
| 19:28:21 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: An angel came down, dropped it on the floor and vanished..... :) |
| 19:28:27 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: they designed your audio board |
| 19:28:33 | GoRK | ha! they are putting little circut boards under the handset! |
| 19:28:41 | GoRK | spacecoaster! HAH!H!H!H!HAHAHA |
| 19:28:49 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: you said it was all done! |
| 19:29:07 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I lied, I lied.... |
| 19:29:25 | GoRK | i continue to be a firm believer that everything is on the internet, it's just a matter of how hard you look |
| 19:29:46 | scanline | looks for linux 3.0.0 source code... |
| 19:29:57 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Course, it helps to have a connected project admin... :) |
| 19:30:02 | GoRK | that too |
| 19:30:10 | BZFlag | GoRK: I assume olivier just wrote up that page. He sent me the URL. |
| 19:30:20 | kernelwork | scanline: you'll be looking a long time, but I'm sure you'll find it after a couple of years... |
| 19:30:51 | scanline | kernelwork: hehe. yeah, it involves how hard you look and how long you are willing to wait |
| 19:31:26 | collord | BZFlag: look at the modified date at the bottom... |
| 19:32:09 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: found a bug in tuxphone already |
| 19:32:21 | GoRK | scanline: my code? |
| 19:32:28 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Already? I'm surprised it took you this long.... :) |
| 19:32:32 | scanline | tuxphone.6 line 656: sprintf("Can't open %s\n", WHEATIES_DEV); |
| 19:32:37 | scanline | but this is a funny bug |
| 19:32:46 | signal11 | it's a windora bug |
| 19:32:53 | BZFlag | collord: probably was internal before, and now released to us. |
| 19:32:57 | signal11 | sorry, wrong channel for phish "humor" |
| 19:33:10 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: is there a *right* channel for phish humor? |
| 19:33:45 | kernelwork | signal11: Did I already ask you if you knew where I should look to find a new enclosure for my tuxphone? |
| 19:33:58 | Bklyn | signal11: is it a wind or a bug? |
| 19:34:03 | GoRK | heh that pcmcia thing looks frankenstiened |
| 19:34:05 | BZFlag | to work. |
| 19:34:21 | GoRK | well, glad i was on the right track. i need to run. talk to everyone tonight |
| 19:34:27 | signal11 | bklyn gets it |
| 19:34:33 | signal11 | hey where have you been this week? |
| 19:34:35 | scanline | bye GoRK |
| 19:34:35 | GoRK | scanline: oh yeah i know aobut that one :) |
| 19:34:53 | Bklyn | signal11: 4-day wkend |
| 19:34:55 | GoRK | scanline: uhhhh it would never crop up in a proper embedded system? :) |
| 19:34:57 | signal11 | nice |
| 19:35:06 | signal11 | did you travel or stay at home? |
| 19:35:07 | Bklyn | was wearing shorts in VA, happy happy |
| 19:35:17 | signal11 | well that answers it |
| 19:35:17 | scanline | just means that it segfaults when i forget to mknod /dev/wheaties |
| 19:35:47 | GoRK | yeah i forgot once too.. *shrug* |
| 19:36:26 | Lenolium | *pling* |
| 19:37:31 | GoRK | heh i like the hard wiring of the ethernet card into the aux port .. stylish :) |
| 19:39:37 | GoRK | woo volume control and everything |
| 19:39:39 | AlHazWork | We'll have to see about getting a hundred or two of those boards printed |
| 19:40:21 | GoRK | that would be awesome |
| 19:40:41 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: That would qualify us as a somewhat major job for a PCB house, eh? |
| 19:41:22 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: nah its a little job... I know a dude who had 10-20 boards printed up for a dreamcast<->pc link cable design.. one place did it really cheap |
| 19:41:27 | GoRK | ill dig it up in a little bit here |
| 19:41:56 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Well, if you think about it though, most first runs of test hardware usually come in at much less than 200 |
| 19:42:14 | ctr | i bought an mp3 player today |
| 19:42:23 | ctr | plus a 128mb smart media cvard to go with it |
| 19:42:24 | ctr | :) |
| 19:43:13 | Bklyn | what kind? |
| 19:43:16 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: yeah but they're usually not little 1" 2 side boards either :).. they are like 4 layer beasts |
| 19:43:51 | ctr | Bklyn: not sure some not famous brand |
| 19:43:57 | ctr | Bklyn: but it's got nice specs |
| 19:44:00 | Bklyn | uses his laptop as a luggable mp3/shn player |
| 19:44:09 | ctr | yeah |
| 19:44:11 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: anyway ill see if i can dig up the info ... it might also be cool if someone could design a mod to this that gives us line level input/output before we have them manufactured |
| 19:44:16 | Bklyn | REALLY needs to wire up an external remote control dongle |
| 19:44:22 | ctr | iwatned something with about 200mb of storage and it'll slip in my pocket |
| 19:44:45 | AlHazWork | has a RioVolt - cd-r mp3 player - works great |
| 19:44:53 | Bklyn | those do look cool |
| 19:45:25 | Bklyn | anyone have any clue where I might be able to get a very small little pushbutton control, like you see on some headphone cords? |
| 19:45:29 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: it's a little on the large size as discman-alike devices go, but it still fits in the inside pocket of my jacket |
| 19:45:48 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: volume controll? or? |
| 19:46:00 | Bklyn | well, there's a little wired remote you can use w/winamp |
| 19:46:06 | Bklyn | it hooks to your COM port |
| 19:46:14 | AlHazWork | oh |
| 19:46:15 | Bklyn | and I'd like to have something small on the "control" end |
| 19:46:21 | Bklyn | its basically DIY |
| 19:46:30 | Bklyn | and the buttons are progammable |
| 19:46:34 | AlHazWork | I hae a walkman with one of those, haven't used it since 1994 |
| 19:46:41 | Lenolium | I just had an idea, that someone else probably had, but I thought it up now, so I'm gonna say it: If the UCB1200 did the soft-modem, wouldn't we be able to get audio on and off of the LINE1 stuff wouldn't we? |
| 19:46:43 | Bklyn | e.g. could be vol+/vol-/pause/next |
| 19:46:51 | Bklyn | and double-presses do another function |
| 19:46:57 | AlHazWork | but i still consider repairing it from time to time - which is silly, because I'll probably never record another cassette tape again in my life |
| 19:47:11 | Bklyn | AlHazWork: I'll take the headfone cord if you want to be rid of it :) |
| 19:47:18 | Bklyn | w/the wee remote on it |
| 19:47:42 | Bklyn | expects the buttons won't be simple switches |
| 19:48:24 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: pretty sure there's a few ics on the board |
| 19:48:26 | Bklyn | but that sort of thing is what I'm looking for |
| 19:48:30 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: I modified it at least three times |
| 19:48:42 | Bklyn | the only things I can find in my googling are mondo-sized |
| 19:48:50 | AlHazWork | walkman came with open air type cheapie walkman headphones, I modified it for high end earbuds |
| 19:48:58 | AlHazWork | and replaced the earbuds like twice . . . |
| 19:49:03 | Bklyn | why do all walkmans come w/crap headfones? |
| 19:49:25 | Bklyn | its a universal constant, like Pi |
| 19:50:13 | Bklyn | woah, this is kinda neet: |
| 19:50:17 | Bklyn | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/electronics/5784.shtml |
| 19:53:06 | Bklyn | wow, they have a 42" Sony flat panel for $6k |
| 19:53:08 | Bklyn | bargain |
| 19:53:09 | Bklyn | :) |
| 19:53:27 | Lenolium | Bklyn: Because, if the walkman comes with crappy headphones, you will need to buy new headphones that don't suck. All manufacturers of walkmans make headphones. :) |
| 19:53:53 | Bklyn | Lenolium: yeah, I know |
| 19:54:03 | Bklyn | its like all name brand PCs come w/too little RAM |
| 19:54:13 | Bklyn | or used to, thats less of a problem these days |
| 19:58:27 | Lenolium | BZFlag: Btw, I requested two screens yetsterday, but couldn't make it down, do you happen to have them in today? |
| 19:58:28 | AlHazWork | sony used to make some really slick earbuds. The outer jacket was loose, and didn't stretch much. over the 5 or so feet from bud to connector the actual signal wire had about an inch and a half of slack. And then there was a nylon cord tied on both ends |
| 19:58:45 | AlHazWork | So these didn't get ripped apart when i got the cord caught on stuff |
| 19:58:53 | AlHazWork | did make the walkman fly out of my pocket and smack on the ground tho |
| 19:59:20 | Bklyn | lol |
| 19:59:27 | Bklyn | I love my sony earbuds |
| 19:59:39 | Bklyn | mdr-ed268 |
| 20:00:19 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: I recently picked up a pair of Koss PLUGs |
| 20:00:24 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: they're, unique |
| 20:00:39 | Bklyn | surfs |
| 20:01:14 | Bklyn | they loko very similar to another pair of Sonys I used to have |
| 20:01:25 | Bklyn | but which broke apart after a while |
| 20:01:37 | Bklyn | kindof a rubber collar that fits in the ear? |
| 20:01:47 | Bklyn | wow, only $20 |
| 20:01:47 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: very soft foam rubber |
| 20:02:01 | AlHazWork | you compress the foam, stick 'em in, and the foam expands |
| 20:02:01 | Bklyn | hm, foam rubber would die too fast |
| 20:02:06 | Bklyn | IMHO |
| 20:02:13 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: its not like normal foam rubber . . . |
| 20:02:32 | Bklyn | hm, maybe I'll try a pair when these ones crap out |
| 20:03:20 | Bklyn | $20 or so for those |
| 20:03:21 | Bklyn | ? |
| 20:03:22 | AlHazWork | I picked mine up for $14 at Target |
| 20:03:25 | Bklyn | wow |
| 20:03:28 | Bklyn | nice price |
| 20:03:32 | Bklyn | the SQ is good? |
| 20:04:14 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: the initial run-in was extremely harsh, so, if you get some, leave them hooked up to something for a day while you go to work for a day before you try to use them. But after that it's very good |
| 20:04:25 | BZFlag | Lenolium: they are here under my desk, yes. |
| 20:04:47 | Bklyn | AlHazWork: interesting; never heard of that behavior |
| 20:05:22 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: Well, all speakers and headphones have an initial runin period before the materials have been properly flexed, etc, but for most it's hardly noticible |
| 20:05:38 | Bklyn | http://www.headwize.com/projects/showproj.php?file=cmoy4_prj.htm |
| 20:05:47 | Bklyn | heh, earplugs + headphones |
| 20:07:54 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: they're more comfortable than my aiwa earbuds, and they *stay *in *my *ears |
| 20:08:19 | Bklyn | hm, the sony ones I used stuck quite well, as do my current ones |
| 20:09:53 | Bklyn | http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/portable/accessories/fontopiartmear-budheadphones/mdr-ex70lp.shtml |
| 20:09:54 | Bklyn | those |
| 20:10:24 | Bklyn | the collar is silicone rubber, very comfy |
| 20:10:48 | AlHazWork | those look nice |
| 20:11:03 | Bklyn | yeah |
| 20:11:06 | Bklyn | like $50 though |
| 20:11:27 | Bklyn | they also broke apart after a while 6-7 months I think |
| 20:11:35 | ctr | http://linuxbrit.co.uk/pics/2001_01_newyears/?browse=53&res=misc <--- i am on the left hand side |
| 20:11:43 | AlHazWork | since it's getting into winter, if i go out for a walk and want to listen to music I'll probably take my MDR-V600's with me |
| 20:11:43 | Bklyn | but I think of headphones as mostly disposable |
| 20:11:48 | AlHazWork | headphones & earmuffs in one |
| 20:11:55 | Bklyn | heh |
| 20:14:44 | ctr | http://linuxbrit.co.uk/pics/2001_01_newyears/?browse=20&res=misc <--- thats me aswell |
| 20:18:46 | CosmicPenguin | This stuff looks cool, too bad its SDL - http://lgames.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:20:49 | collord | too bad because no one has put SDL on the tux? |
| 20:21:16 | Bklyn | nice pot leaf :) |
| 20:21:24 | Bklyn | wgets |
| 20:21:30 | collord | (SDL will work on linux framebuffer) |
| 20:22:01 | CosmicPenguin | collord: but not on Microwindows... (despite why my CEO says) |
| 20:22:08 | CosmicPenguin | s/why/what/ |
| 20:24:15 | Bklyn | http://www.bklyn.org/images/pot-leaf.gif :) |
| 20:24:44 | Bklyn | boy, *STILL* getting codered/nimda hits |
| 20:26:20 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: well tell greg to get a clue then. Tell him I said so. ;-) seriously, you should be able to add a microwindows sdl layer, it just has not been done yet, right? |
| 20:27:08 | collord | CosmicPenguin: this doesn't work? ftp://ftp.setabox.com/pub/sdl/sdl-nanox-patch.0.8.tgz |
| 20:27:36 | CosmicPenguin | collord: define work |
| 20:27:42 | collord | CosmicPenguin: gotcha |
| 20:31:51 | collord | CosmicPenguin: how far off is it? |
| 20:32:24 | CosmicPenguin | collord: Hard to tell.... its one of those things where simple programs work great, but its hard to get a complex (and therefore usable) program up and running |
| 20:37:51 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: you could do and sdl port to microwindows |
| 20:37:55 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: /nanox |
| 20:38:05 | ctr | coms: just write to a buffer, and blit it |
| 20:38:41 | collord | ctr: that's zero acceleration... |
| 20:38:54 | CosmicPenguin | collord: Not that you are getting much accelaration anyway.... |
| 20:39:11 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: I think thats how Greg has it working now, but I still don't think its ready for primetime |
| 20:39:16 | ctr | sdl doesn't provid e anything other than a buffer to write to |
| 20:39:34 | ctr | it just so happens to be able to handlke that buffer diffeently |
| 20:39:54 | ctr | acceleration is prodived by open gl, XSHM, directdraw etc etc |
| 20:41:10 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: But not MW |
| 20:42:24 | ctr | exactly |
| 20:44:19 | collord | (i thought ;) SDL didn't provide accel, but exposed the, e.g. 2D primitive accel of what it was on... |
| 20:45:01 | collord | as well as video accel like DGA if on X, or, yeah, 3D on X via glx |
| 20:45:43 | collord | shuts up now before more ignorance gets out |
| 20:46:15 | ctr | uhm |
| 20:46:21 | ctr | isn't that what i just said ? :) |
| 20:48:47 | collord | yeah, sorta, except that "blitting to a surface" doesn't really imply that the accel beneath SDL actually draws |
| 20:50:22 | mallum | gets Cats board to boot a 2.4.12-ac6-rmk1 kernel :) |
| 20:53:54 | CosmicPenguin | Anway, who wants to play with SDL when its so much more challenging just to write the raw xlib / nxlib code anyway |
| 20:54:52 | ctr | http://www.darkrock.net/gallery/screenshots/2001-10-24-225404_1280x1024_scrot.png <-- my text component i wrote today and yesterday, the one on theleft is normal, on the right word wrap is enabled and the red blocks are tabs |
| 20:56:56 | mallum | when you x-compile an arm kernel, how do you get it to make_modules install correctly ? |
| 20:59:00 | CosmicPenguin | make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=<path> modules_install |
| 20:59:48 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah thats what I did, but I got a load of depmod errors |
| 21:00:00 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: depmod: ELF file /home/mallum/src/linux-2.4.12//lib/modules/2.4.12-ac6-rmk1/kernel/net/irda/irnet/irnet.o not for this architecture |
| 21:00:06 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: ignore em |
| 21:00:44 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: heh, oh yeah - its worked :) |
| 21:01:04 | mallum | ctr: do I have to install gnome to get your nice gtk theme ? |
| 21:01:54 | ctr | nope |
| 21:02:01 | ctr | gtk-engines is all |
| 21:03:16 | mallum | what gtk-engine is it ? |
| 21:03:29 | mallum | is that debian you have there ? |
| 21:03:43 | ctr | nah |
| 21:03:48 | ctr | it's pixmap theme |
| 21:05:02 | mallum | whats it called ? |
| 21:05:33 | ctr | 4Missy |
| 21:11:59 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: nice stuff |
| 21:12:10 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: thanks :) |
| 21:12:22 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: it's but a small piece in my final year project |
| 21:15:18 | CosmicPenguin | For anyone who is wondering if the rumors about 802.11B and Bluetooth conflicting with each other... its true |
| 21:17:28 | ctr | bugger |
| 21:17:47 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: they're both 2.4ghz ism band? |
| 21:18:06 | SpaceCoaster | 802.11B also conflicts with 2.4ghz phones does bluetooth? |
| 21:18:10 | AlHazWork | doesn't understand the hype around 2.4ghz. sure, the bandwidth is there, but the propogation sucks. |
| 21:18:25 | AlHazWork | at least with 802.11b you can select the channel you want to use |
| 21:18:34 | collord | CosmicPenguin: is there are *any* pcmcia or cf hardware for linux bluetooth? (that you can talk about) |
| 21:18:39 | AlHazWork | what frequency does bluetooth use? |
| 21:18:57 | ctr | so |
| 21:19:18 | ctr | does that mean i can turn bluetooth on in my cellphone and screw 802.11B networks? |
| 21:19:22 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: do you know about the gpio.o and registers.o modules? |
| 21:20:05 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Don't choose bluetooth over 802.11B.... |
| 21:20:16 | collord | i've heard it's not hugely horrible for average uses and, say, a microwave oven tends to pose more of a problem to both |
| 21:20:37 | AlHazWork | idunno, microwave ovens don't interfere with my 802.11b stuff enough that i notice |
| 21:20:39 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I don't... should I know about them? |
| 21:20:54 | GoRK | returns |
| 21:20:56 | AlHazWork | i used to use a 2.4ghz video transmitter/reciever pair that was AWFUL if anyone within about 100 yards was using a nuke |
| 21:21:26 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: the provide access to all the SA1100 registers and the decoded status of the GPIO lines, quite cool |
| 21:21:27 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: nah my cell phone has bluetooth built in :) |
| 21:21:33 | SpaceCoaster | s/the/they/ |
| 21:21:50 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Nokia? |
| 21:21:55 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: ericsson |
| 21:22:20 | AlHazWork | ok, this doc says bluetooth is 2.45ghz |
| 21:22:39 | AlHazWork | so if you used, say, channel 1 or channel 11 of 802.11b, it would be unlikely to interfere |
| 21:22:49 | AlHazWork | but if you used, say, 5 or 6, you'd get a lot of interference |
| 21:23:21 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: how do you avoid phone and 802.11b interference? |
| 21:24:13 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: don't use those phones :) |
| 21:24:17 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Having a 802.11B card next to a bluetooth CF sure made it go icky.... |
| 21:24:39 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: I've never used a 2.4ghz cordless phone, but I doubt if you put it right next to a good 900mhz that it would get better range |
| 21:24:52 | AlHazWork | good = Uniden digital spread spectrum |
| 21:25:24 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: your into propagation in a big way, I can tell :-) |
| 21:25:24 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: Do they have some sort of channel selection mechanism? |
| 21:25:50 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: The FCC has PDFs online of most devices radio properties - including pretty graphs of harmonic interference, etc |
| 21:26:16 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: so, you could get the fcc id of your phone, look it up online, and figure out where in the ISM band it's xcieving |
| 21:26:34 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: I thinks it's automatic, sometimes they collide sometimes not, I can change the 802.11b but the phone eventually hunts it down :-( |
| 21:27:00 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: probably using a really wide chunk at a time (read: designd by lazy asses) and jumping all over the place |
| 21:27:41 | AlHazWork | When i started doing 802.11b i thought the video transmitter might interfere with it |
| 21:28:01 | AlHazWork | instead I could hear the access point on the video reciever no matter which of the 4 channels i put it on |
| 21:28:26 | AlHazWork | (video dingus had 4 channels, I mean) |
| 21:28:43 | AlHazWork | so I put the video dingus on it's channel 1 at the bottom of the ISM band, and 802.11 on channel 11 |
| 21:28:46 | AlHazWork | still heard it . . . |
| 21:28:52 | AlHazWork | so I got rid of the video dingus |
| 21:29:51 | SpaceCoaster | so you recommend keeping these things 1.5ghz apart then. |
| 21:30:06 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: *shrug* |
| 21:30:18 | AlHazWork | keep 'em far enough apart, however far that is |
| 21:30:35 | AlHazWork | the higher ghz actually means it's tougher for the signal to get through, unless you're talking about directional antennae |
| 21:30:54 | AlHazWork | or you're talking about, well, more than 100mW |
| 21:31:15 | AlHazWork | I used to help maintain a wireless ip link across an 8 mile gap |
| 21:31:28 | AlHazWork | the 2.4ghz stuff went down more often than a . . . . . well it went down a lot. |
| 21:31:35 | collord | incase any wireless folks haven't seen these cheap antennae: http://www.superpass.com/price.html |
| 21:31:46 | AlHazWork | management finally dropped a huge wad of cash on a 23ghz transciever pair |
| 21:31:53 | AlHazWork | cost like $100k |
| 21:31:57 | AlHazWork | had to get a license to use it |
| 21:32:03 | AlHazWork | but it was *solid |
| 21:32:25 | collord | $100k will buy you a nice air optics system nowadays |
| 21:34:00 | collord | actually more than one |
| 21:34:10 | AlHazWork | collord: 100mbps? |
| 21:35:12 | collord | AlHazWork: gigabit |
| 21:35:14 | SpaceCoaster | AlHazWork: in the UK I used DECT phones, worked great small light do you know what frequency they use? |
| 21:35:36 | AlHazWork | with directional rf links you have a fresnel effect that essentially means that you have a corridor between the two xcievers that has to be free of obstruction |
| 21:35:45 | collord | AlHazWork: oh, but 8 miles is pretty far... |
| 21:35:46 | AlHazWork | as the ghz go up, the corridor gets smaller |
| 21:35:59 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: never heard of 'em |
| 21:36:23 | AlHazWork | at 2.4ghz, 8 miles apart, it's about 25 feet |
| 21:36:57 | AlHazWork | so it's a little more difficult than just being able to flash a mirror at your buddy on the other end |
| 21:37:21 | GoRK | ahh the fresnel zone :) my favorite buddy |
| 21:37:42 | AlHazWork | and a tree is a big mass of neat little antennae |
| 21:37:49 | GoRK | "but i can see the building i'm shooting to.. right in that little gap between those other two buildings".... argh! |
| 21:38:37 | AlHazWork | 900mhz has a lot less trouble getting through trees, wallboard, etc |
| 21:39:24 | AlHazWork | there's just not as much capacity for data |
| 21:39:54 | AlHazWork | GoRK: that's where optical is real useful |
| 21:41:25 | AlHazWork | this 5ghz local area network stuff is going to have even worse propogation than 2.4ghz. There will just be less interfering with it |
| 21:47:18 | AlHazWork | </rant> |
| 21:51:51 | GoRK | optical, or i have also had some success reflecting RF off of glass buildins |
| 21:53:14 | AlHazWork | or you end up having more than one hop |
| 21:53:47 | AlHazWork | which can be a logistics nightmare, since essentially some third party gets to hold the middle-part of your connection hostage |
| 21:54:19 | mallum | ctr: still about ? |
| 22:06:01 | scanline | is away: food |
| 22:25:36 | AlHazWork | well, I'm out |
| 22:27:09 | Lenolium | *plong* |
| 22:29:34 | collord | BZFlag: did you do the shipping dance today? |
| 22:29:49 | scanline | is back (gone 00:23:47) |
| 22:31:01 | BZFlag | nope. tues and fri morning. |
| 22:31:26 | BZFlag | collord: you put an order in on monday, right? If so it shipped Tues. |
| 22:31:39 | ProtWork | Heheh. |
| 22:31:43 | ProtWork | got his. |
| 22:31:49 | BZFlag | Lenolium: are you coming today? |
| 22:32:03 | ProtWork | Thanks Riker - I'm glad to contribute to the attempt at breaking your mustang. |
| 22:32:19 | collord | just bothered to see that it was Wednesday, not Teusday today |
| 22:32:30 | collord | BZFlag: thanks, sorry for the confusion |
| 22:32:57 | BZFlag | ProtWork: sure. yesterday's did not fit so I had USPS pick them up. can't do that with internationals though. |
| 22:33:35 | BZFlag | ProtWork: the stang picture is all international orders. I guy in korea collected a bunch or orders and then did 32 in one go. |
| 22:36:23 | as2 | Evnin all. |
| 22:36:54 | BZFlag | http://www.geocities.com/copper6500/homedepot.html <- I won't do this to my stang. ;-) |
| 22:38:35 | ProtWork | *lol* |
| 22:40:55 | ProtWork | Shit, we have a Jetta - and that's just WRONG! |
| 22:41:08 | ProtWork | I only load maybe 300lbs into the rear for loading - and that makes the car drag. |
| 22:41:18 | BZFlag | wrong, yes. but this story is reported to be true. |
| 22:41:24 | ProtWork | *nod* As I can see. |
| 22:41:43 | ProtWork | Well, I'll boot my 'screen this weekend most likely. I wish I could get a raw Inferno image for it so I could play *and* hack. |
| 22:42:06 | CosmicPenguin | I can't believe the home depot people even thought about letting them do that |
| 22:43:18 | ProtWork | *shrug* Da customer is always right. Is a gun broker going to stop selling his product to someone who will shoot themselves in the foot? |
| 23:42:15 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: I got it to dial through tuxphone's socket! |
| 23:45:37 | other | is it possible to get caller id information yet ? |
| 23:46:04 | scanline | yes. I haven't tested it, but I think GoRK has |
| 23:46:35 | other | cool |
| 23:46:39 | other | i should set that up. |
| 23:47:26 | scanline | Right now Gork, CosmicPenguin, and I are working on some bleeding-edge tuxphone code |
| 23:47:47 | scanline | It needs a new version of the wheaties driver that not many people have |
| 23:47:59 | other | where is it available |
| 23:48:18 | scanline | I got it from GoRK. I'm not sure when it will be in the build system... |
| 23:48:29 | scanline | brb |
| 23:50:37 | scanline | now to see if this thing will send events through the socket... |
| 23:51:10 | scanline | the plan is to have a single tuxphone daemon that the various GUI (or otherwise) frontends communicate with via a socket |
| 23:53:55 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: did you make any progress with the wheaties poll() issue? |
| 23:54:08 | scanline | SpaceCoaster: Yes, it was my fault |
| 23:54:21 | scanline | at least I think it was |
| 23:54:30 | GoRK | hello |
| 23:54:31 | scanline | I found a bug in picogui's client library and fixed it |
| 23:54:32 | scanline | hi |
| 23:54:47 | GoRK | yeah cosmicpenguin requested that i leave it out of cvs for 48 hours |
| 23:54:58 | SpaceCoaster | cool, I tried to replicate it but my head is full of registers and masks and I could construct a hostaddr thingy :-) |
| 23:55:12 | GoRK | if bugs are fixed and whatnot then, perhaps we can go ahead and put it in |
| 23:55:19 | SpaceCoaster | s/could/could not/ |
| 23:55:23 | scanline | no problem, I'm pretty sure by now that there's nothing wrong with select() |
| 23:55:36 | GoRK | the kernel patch is available in cvs already |
| 23:55:50 | scanline | GoRK: It works as a phone, and I have a little command-line app that can dial phone numbers. I'm about to test the event stuff |
| 23:56:11 | GoRK | scanline: so you just do ./call 5551212 ? |
| 23:56:20 | scanline | ./dial 83034997111 |
| 23:56:28 | GoRK | awesome |
| 23:56:30 | scanline | ^ that calls the WWV time station here in Boulder |
| 23:56:48 | scanline | yup |
| 23:57:24 | scanline | would be even cooler once there's an opcode to turn on the speakerphone :) |
| 23:57:35 | scanline | easily added once I test the event code... |
| 23:57:59 | SpaceCoaster | scanline: if it's not too much hassle could it have the network interface, my app won't run on the tuxscreen till we get the 32mb RAM sorted |
| 23:58:44 | scanline | yeah, that would be good. I like network-transparent stuff in general :) |
| 23:59:06 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: I'm talking to the serial flash so you should be able to store your phone lists there soon, maybe your speaker params are there too. |
| 23:59:07 | scanline | Any votes for a TCP/IP port number? |
| 23:59:27 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: cool did you write an mtd driver? |
| 23:59:40 | ProtWork | 65200 |
| 23:59:44 | ProtWork | :-) |
| 23:59:48 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: or is it a character device? |
