| 00:38:15 | Sammy | morning all ;-) |
| 00:38:26 | scanline | good morning |
| 00:39:06 | Sammy | morning scanline |
| 00:44:42 | Tangent | Morning Sammy |
| 00:46:55 | Sammy | morning Tangent ^_^ |
| 01:37:11 | Tangent | Night all |
| 02:43:03 | AlHazTux | remote X aint bad . . . |
| 05:05:57 | GoRK | hello |
| 05:06:25 | GoRK | BZFlag: what telephony driver were you referring to? zapata? |
| 05:14:31 | GoRK | anyone alive? |
| 05:14:41 | scanline | ICMP_ECHO_RESPONSE |
| 05:29:59 | BZFlag | GoRK: CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ |
| 05:34:36 | scanline | is away: sleep |
| 05:35:50 | GoRK | hmm... the internet linejack using the telephony interface... |
| 05:36:28 | GoRK | afaik, more telephony apps use zaptel/zapata than the "official" telephony interface |
| 05:37:26 | GoRK | plus, any software that supports the linejack/phonejack has to specifically deal with those buggy cards anyway :) |
| 05:39:30 | BZFlag | I'm open to suggestions, but I think if there is a proposed telephony standard, we should use it. other hardware shoudl be able to have driver written that support that same interface as well. |
| 05:39:47 | vosque | oi |
| 05:39:55 | GoRK | *shrug* ive always heard zapata/zaptel is the best way to go |
| 05:40:24 | GoRK | let me go dig up some infos |
| 05:44:49 | GoRK | heh cool. the zapata people have a dual T1 voice card design in the public domain :) |
| 06:32:07 | GoRK | hello |
| 06:32:13 | cdm | hey hey GoRK |
| 06:33:02 | GoRK | what's up |
| 06:33:27 | cdm | GoRK: Working on devn-prism.so |
| 06:35:18 | andersee | sounds fun |
| 06:36:19 | cdm | oh, it is great fun! |
| 06:36:25 | cdm | loves doing driver development on QNX. |
| 06:37:44 | Lenolium | Hrm... question, does the WWW optimized palette option in GIMP happen to use the same palette as PicoGUI? |
| 06:39:08 | GoRK | Lenolium: that, I don't know for sure but picogui uses a full color palatte of 2,3,3, bits ea. for r g and b |
| 06:39:26 | GoRK | Lenolium: it has no palette controls as of yet |
| 06:41:30 | GoRK | lenolim: why do you ask? |
| 06:41:58 | Lenolium | GoRK: I want to start just thinking up ideas for a PicoGUI based application to drive the Tuxscreen. |
| 06:42:16 | Lenolium | (basically, an improved, and modular limbo |
| 06:42:20 | Lenolium | ) |
| 06:44:32 | GoRK | by limbo do you mean the inferno applications written in limbo... address book, callerid history, etc? |
| 06:44:40 | cdm | you guys will have to try out QNX when it gets going on this baby. |
| 06:45:14 | GoRK | why qnx? |
| 06:45:22 | cdm | why not? Something to try out. |
| 06:46:28 | GoRK | heh im just messin w/ ya |
| 06:46:45 | Lenolium | GoRK: Oh, yeah, that. Sorry, they just all referred to 'limbo' in shannon.c, I forgot that limbo was the name of the programming language it was in. |
| 06:46:54 | cdm | it is good and small and you can use Photon to do apps that will run on it without messing with 'em. ;) |
| 06:46:56 | GoRK | didn't they ship the audrey with qnx? |
| 06:47:00 | cdm | http://get.qnx.com/ |
| 06:47:04 | cdm | GoRK: Yep. |
| 06:47:21 | GoRK | yeah i have played with qnx a bit. there are some companies around here that run feedlot computers w/ qnx on them |
| 06:47:24 | cdm | GoRK: it is nice for being able to do all your app development on an x86 pc and then just toss a switch. |
| 06:48:24 | cdm | GoRK: http://warg.uwaterloo.ca/~cdm/qnxrtp/phab.jpg |
| 06:50:38 | GoRK | do you get any access at all to kernel sources? |
| 06:51:22 | cdm | GoRK: Generally you don't 'em since nothing lives in the kernel. |
| 06:51:45 | cdm | GoRK: And we do have sources released with all of our DDKs (which are free) for doing device support. |
| 06:53:01 | GoRK | that's cool. i do like the small footprint and the gui is pretty slick.. for some reason i never felt very allured by qnx |
| 06:53:03 | GoRK | nothing personal :) |
| 06:53:10 | cdm | no problem. |
| 06:53:20 | cdm | it is just smaller, faster and better. I can understand why you don't like it much. ;) |
| 06:53:36 | andersee | cool, I just brought my uCsimm back to life |
| 06:53:51 | GoRK | did you kill it? |
| 06:53:58 | andersee | yup |
| 06:54:11 | andersee | lazarus just came forth.... |
| 06:54:25 | cdm | GoRK: Right now I am working (offically) on the iPaq stuff for QNX. http://qnx.wox.org/ipaq/ |
| 06:54:55 | GoRK | heh. i have a cell computing cardpc i killed last year in some bubble wrap here somewhere... ive been meaning to get that fixed :) |
| 06:56:07 | GoRK | cdm: that looks pretty! |
| 06:56:15 | GoRK | very cool |
| 07:00:48 | Lenolium | Yay, I found the rgp233 palette for gimp (the same one that PicoGUI uses), so now I can convert stuff to picoGUI's 8bpp color scheme. |
| 07:01:49 | GoRK | Lenolium: cool! do you have a link? i'll probably be needing that thing very soon :) |
| 07:02:13 | Lenolium | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/pgui/images/src/rgb233.palette?rev=1.1 |
| 07:02:39 | GoRK | oh. heh. it's in the picogui source. lol |
| 07:03:12 | GoRK | you might think that i of all people would know that!!! |
| 07:03:28 | andersee | night all |
| 07:04:03 | Lenolium | GoRK: So, what is your grand vision of the Tuxscreen in the future? |
| 07:04:30 | GoRK | IAX phone compatible with asterisk pbx |
| 07:04:32 | Lenolium | almost sortof likes the Inferno's interface, buttons at bottom to get to the various sections, the open app thing is pretty weird though. |
| 07:05:04 | GoRK | I want to be able for my phone to attach to my office pbx from anywhere on the internet i plug it in |
| 07:05:31 | Lenolium | GoRK: That's a good goal. |
| 07:05:35 | GoRK | possibly to have integration with a customer database |
| 07:06:27 | Lenolium | I also want mine to store all data on an external database, with a compile-time option to store the data locally. (I want to have a lot of phones, all that can talk to the same database, so that I can get a phone number anywhere in the house) |
| 07:06:37 | GoRK | ok i have a smallish company that about 4 people work at outside of their normal jobs. It is becoming increasingly harder to track the status of projects, etc. as we are getitng more business |
| 07:07:22 | Lenolium | I want most of the features in the inferno interface, just working, and network aware. :) |
| 07:08:06 | GoRK | anyway, when someone calls into that office, their call gets fasttracked to whoever handles that customer, and if they are unavailable, then it goes to someone who is, but since the customer database goes with it, whoever answers, even though they might have no idea who it is calling, can give that person a status update on their project |
| 07:08:47 | Lenolium | GoRK: Sounds cool. |
| 07:09:16 | Lenolium | talked about implementing something of the sort (general side of the globe) as that at XMission, but never got to it before leaving) |
| 07:09:49 | GoRK | or if a vendor calls in, something, the phone shows how much we owe them and how much credit we have left, etc... before we even answer the call! it should save a ton of time not having to look the info up in the POS system (and right now, it's possible that we might be somewhere we couldnt even access that info if it weren't sent along with the call...) |
| 07:11:21 | GoRK | or voicemail... instead of having to wade through messages one by one, you just see the list on the screen and can tap a message, the speakerphone fires up and you hear it. no automated attendant droning on and on '1st new message sent friday at 10:22PM, 45 seconds, 523-555-2222" |
| 07:11:46 | GoRK | i dont know how much time i spend listening to that crap |
| 07:12:42 | GoRK | to be honest, i'm kind of sad that they're not actually making these phones anymore :-/ |
| 07:13:29 | GoRK | I kind of hope that GPSFan will actually finish and complete those schematics and maybe someone will get together and produce the hardware as an open design |
| 07:14:09 | GoRK | maybe with a different telephony interface, but still |
| 07:14:19 | Lenolium | GoRK: Hey, I think we just have to design the software knowing that this stuff is going to have to go someplace else, so we had better keep it portable. |
| 07:14:45 | GoRK | Lenolium: yeah it's not like there aren't other platforms out there like this one |
| 07:15:17 | Lenolium | yup, this one is just cheap enough to make it really easy to convince people to hack on it. |
| 07:16:25 | GoRK | asterisk still, it would be very cool for someone to create an open platform based on the shannon's design |
| 07:17:31 | GoRK | err lose the 'asterisk' |
| 07:17:53 | Lenolium | GoRK: Unfortunately, they do have copyright law to protect them from that. |
| 07:18:14 | Lenolium | So, it would have to be modified a bit. |
| 07:19:06 | GoRK | well it's standard parts. the only thing particularly unique about it is the DSP and the way things are connected together. it's basically an assabet |
| 07:19:15 | GoRK | from what i understand |
| 07:19:39 | cdm | other then the fact that the assabet is an SA1110 and not an SA1100. |
| 07:20:06 | Lenolium | The other problem is that the parts are more expensive than what we are paying for them. |
| 07:21:25 | GoRK | yeah but if you have software that is working and proven on a tuxscreen, it would more easily justify the cost of building similar hardware devices for the market. those cisco SIP phones are like $700 |
| 07:22:25 | GoRK | i bet you could produce one of these phones using a better board design for $250 or less |
| 07:22:30 | GoRK | in quantity |
| 07:22:59 | Lenolium | I think the touchscreen would be the most expensive part. |
| 07:23:23 | GoRK | sell for 450-550 or something.. pretty good deal |
| 07:23:31 | Lenolium | So GoRK, do you think we should build this system using X, or PicoGUI? |
| 07:23:53 | Lenolium | (I'm voting for PicoGUI, because we have better odds of fitting the stuff we need to onto the flash) |
| 07:24:04 | GoRK | *shrug* i like picogui's built in widgets. |
| 07:24:55 | cdm | Photon!! ;) |
| 07:25:01 | GoRK | imo the most important thing in a gui is consistency. picogui forces all of its native apps to look, work, and behave identically (for the most part anyway) |
| 07:25:20 | Lenolium | Can you have image buttons in picogui? |
| 07:25:31 | GoRK | yeah. and image/animated buttons |
| 07:25:58 | GoRK | there's a test app in cvs called 'animbutton' that shows it |
| 07:26:59 | GoRK | i'd pick microwindows if i were porting an existing app, though |
| 07:27:31 | Lenolium | Cool. |
| 07:27:45 | Lenolium | Tell me a bit about microwindows... I have never really heard of it. |
| 07:28:15 | GoRK | well i dont honestly know much about it. cosmicpenguin works on it. afaik it provides an x-like API to clients |
| 07:28:31 | GoRK | it has built in fonts and stuff also |
| 07:28:38 | Lenolium | Ahh.. cool. |
| 07:28:46 | GoRK | but clients have to bring their own widgets just like in x |
| 07:30:10 | GoRK | there are a lot of choices in linux for small gui's though besides those too.. there's qt/e, gtkfb, nanogui, and a myriad of others |
| 07:30:48 | GoRK | qt/e and gtkfb both bring their own widgets :) they are attractive environments |
| 07:31:19 | GoRK | i dont think ive ever seen any application suite sort of deal using gtkfb, but qt/e has qpe and it looks pretty sweet |
| 07:32:59 | cdm | qt/e is still very large. |
| 07:33:03 | cdm | and rather slow. |
| 07:33:14 | GoRK | and rather c++ |
| 07:34:22 | cdm | true enough. |
| 07:34:56 | cdm | The thing I don't like with all of these systems is that they are not the same as the one you run on your development machine. That is why I have always been a fan of Photon. Smaller and faster in the embedded case but can also do your development desktop. |
| 07:35:26 | Lenolium | cdm: Picogui runs just fine in a window on my desktop. |
| 07:35:27 | GoRK | i run picogui on my development machine :) |
| 07:36:02 | cdm | no - I mean the same system. |
| 07:36:13 | cdm | but that is cool about picogui. |
| 07:36:22 | GoRK | the same system how? |
| 07:36:29 | Lenolium | Microwindows' genesis was with the NanoGUI project, and has now been combined into a single distribution. |
| 07:36:48 | Lenolium | I run linux on my desktop and on the tuxscreen :) |
| 07:36:56 | cdm | GoRK: ie: has all the richness of a real windowing system like X11 that can drive apps like gvim and emacs but can also be embedded very well. |
| 07:37:40 | cdm | ie: kernel+drivers+gui+webbrowser is about 8M in RAM. |
| 07:37:58 | cdm | maybe 10 - depends on the website though. ;) |
| 07:38:45 | GoRK | so what do you do if you only have 4M of ram? or 2? |
| 07:39:23 | Lenolium | cdm: Not attacking you personally, but I really don't need window management on my little PDA/phone, one app at a time is all I ever want displayed. :) (A good web browser would be nice though.) |
| 07:39:25 | cdm | GoRK: You make choices on what you want to have running. Smaller font server for example. But Linux can't run on a tuxscreen with only 4M of ram. |
| 07:40:22 | cdm | Lenolium: I am talking about being able to use the same API (ie: develop, run debug) as your desktop machine for your embedded machine. For example - we can "beam", live, your browser from your iPaq over to your desktop. |
| 07:40:26 | Lenolium | cdm: Now that is true, it won't work on this tuxscreen with 8M. It seems the blob is taking a chunk of ram, and never giving it back. |
| 07:40:56 | Lenolium | cdm: Does QNX use pcode? I though only inferno did that. |
| 07:41:38 | cdm | Lenolium: No, no pcode. The beaming is actually re-directing the PHoton draw stream over a network connection (serial, irda, ethernet, usb) to the remote host. |
| 07:41:59 | cdm | on an app-by-app basis. |
| 07:42:04 | GoRK | cdm: you can cross display with both picogui and microwindows also. i run apps displayed on the tuxscreen run on x86 all the time |
| 07:42:06 | Lenolium | cdm: Ahh, that's pretty cool. |
| 07:42:38 | cdm | GoRK: Sure - but are you developing under picogui or microwindows? No, you are using X11. |
| 07:42:42 | Lenolium | I don't know, there seem to be QNX people, and there seem to be anti-QNX people, my old boss was a HUGE QNX fan, I never saw the draw. |
| 07:42:47 | GoRK | cdm: no im using picogui |
| 07:42:55 | cdm | GoRK: On your development machine? |
| 07:42:59 | GoRK | cdm: yes |
| 07:43:24 | cdm | Lenolium: Better architecture then any of the mono-kernels. Bettet system reliablity then any of the mono-kernels. Smaller and Faster then any of the mono-kernels. ;) |
| 07:43:50 | GoRK | cdm: pgserver can run in a window inside of X11 or can run fullscreen in its own framebuffer on my devel machine |
| 07:43:56 | Lenolium | cdm: Faster eh? I bet my network throughput on this system could lie QNX flat. |
| 07:44:59 | cdm | GoRK: Still not nearly the eligancy or flexibility of Photon. |
| 07:45:07 | Lenolium | cdm: Microkernels always loose speed. It's a fact of design. Same thing with pre-emptable kernels, or guaranteed contact switching. |
| 07:45:41 | cdm | Lenolium: If you say so. But there is a reason QNX is being picked by all the big telco box companies. ;) |
| 07:45:45 | Lenolium | GoRK: Hey, for some reason QNX people think they have it all. I was never able to convince my boss otherwise, I don't think we have a chance with cdm. :) |
| 07:45:46 | GoRK | cdm: in what regard? i dont understand what you are saying |
| 07:46:14 | Lenolium | cdm: Hey, hardware is cheap, downtime isn't :) |
| 07:46:18 | cdm | GoRK: Take a read of the Photon Sysarch sometime. |
| 07:47:14 | GoRK | cdm: I dont want to pay for photon when i can write something that does everything i need for nothing. you're not going to make me a customer by bashing software that i helped write. |
| 07:47:18 | cdm | Lenolium: Nah - has to do with the fact that if you like you can use all the tricks the mono kernels use for speed but only impact the reliabilty of a small subset of the system. Or, you can do what normally a mono-kernel does (ie: copy_from_user/copy_to_user) but between processes. |
| 07:47:28 | cdm | GoRK: No, not bashing man. |
| 07:47:39 | cdm | GoRK: http://get.qnx.com/ if you want to use it. |
| 07:48:02 | Lenolium | cdm: But, what prevents a poorly written driver from locking up the system in QNX? How do you abstract the hardware away enough so that if you stick hardware into a death spiral, somehow the kernel recovers. |
| 07:48:42 | cdm | Lenolium: By pushing out the interrupt to a schedualable entity. |
| 07:49:17 | cdm | Lenolium: Don't need to abstract the hardware very much at all honestly. |
| 07:49:28 | Lenolium | cdm: If I can write to I/O addresses, any machine with a Voodoo video card, I can lock hard and fast. (Havn't tried with anything else) |
| 07:50:11 | cdm | Lenolium: Yes, of course. QNX isn't magic. If your hardware goes into la-la land you are scrwed. However, if your network driver tries to access memory in a packet that isn't properly allocated you don't fubar your scsi driver. |
| 07:50:11 | Lenolium | cdm: But regardless... nice talking to you crazy QNX people :) |
| 07:50:38 | cdm | you get a SEGV and a core file thatyou can post-morterm with gdb with ease. |
| 07:51:25 | cdm | applogizes if he seems like a crazy QNX person. |
| 07:51:35 | GoRK | it's all good, dude |
| 07:51:40 | cdm | there are going to be more and more of us hanging out here (maybe some 80+). ;) |
| 07:54:06 | Lenolium | Well, hey, at least you guys are eating your own dogfood, it seems that www.qnx.com is at least running on something that netcraft can't easily identify. (Which, my guess would be firstly that they are running QNX, or secondly, that they are running a very tight firewall) |
| 07:54:50 | GoRK | i have trouble beliving that qnx would devote so much time and effort making the OS run on a dead platform such as this |
| 07:56:03 | Lenolium | GoRK: Hey, why not, they might not go into the DSP end (hopefully), but they would at least get the screen and ARM experience down. And hey, if they got the DSP working, it might make a good and cheap demo box. |
| 07:56:04 | cdm | GoRK: Free time. |
| 07:56:18 | cdm | GoRK: and of the 80+ people two of use work @ QNX. |
| 07:56:39 | cdm | s/use/us/ |
| 07:58:57 | Lenolium | Well, I'm off to bed. I'll catch you guys tommorrow, GoRK, so sound good on thinking about starting the app for the tuxscreen based on PhotonGUI? |
| 07:59:10 | GoRK | hehehehe |
| 07:59:28 | Lenolium | Yah, you're probably right, PicoGUI it is. |
| 07:59:33 | cdm | ;) |
| 08:00:11 | GoRK | btw there is a #picogui channel here too incase you need some help figuring something out |
| 08:00:20 | GoRK | im about to head off too |
| 08:00:22 | Lenolium | Yup, I know about that. |
| 08:00:26 | GoRK | i didnt realise it was already 4 |
| 08:00:28 | Lenolium | GoRK: What timezone are you in? |
| 08:00:34 | GoRK | CST |
| 08:00:37 | Lenolium | Oh, Central. |
| 08:00:42 | Lenolium | is in Mountain |
| 08:00:44 | GoRK | CST6CDT |
| 08:00:57 | Lenolium | MST7MDT |
| 08:01:02 | GoRK | w00t |
| 08:01:17 | GoRK | well have fun catch ya later |
| 08:01:18 | Lenolium | Well, I'll catch ya tommorrow or something. |
| 08:01:22 | GoRK | see ya cdm. been fun |
| 08:01:43 | Lenolium | *plong* |
| 08:02:21 | GoRK | cdm: if you guys make qnx work on this thing, i'll check it out :) fair enough? |
| 08:04:46 | cdm | GoRK: yep - that is all I ever asked. ;) |
| 08:04:55 | cdm | nice talkin' with the two of you. |
| 08:05:02 | cdm | GoRK: You should port pico to Photon. ;) |
| 08:05:15 | cdm | GoRK: the Qt guys have done basically just that. |
| 08:06:03 | GoRK | actually ive been reading a little bit, and picogui and photon work pretty much identically with a few little differences of course, but the same ideas and structure |
| 08:08:23 | GoRK | in fact, all you would have to do to make picogui apps compile and run directly on photon would be to change libpgui to use photon's api on the server side rather than pgserver's |
| 08:09:02 | GoRK | and photon has good stuff like overlays and whatnot that pgui of course doesnt |
| 08:10:17 | cdm | yeah, and a nice full flow control on the draw stream. |
| 08:10:38 | cdm | so I can insert a region who's job it is to "tee" the draw stream and display a section of the GUI on a remote display. |
| 08:10:41 | cdm | same with input. |
| 08:12:06 | GoRK | yeah, in picogui we dont have that kind of deal.. the server pretty much manages everything related to drawables |
| 08:12:37 | GoRK | but.. we will have the capability to do simeotaneous remote display at some point |
| 08:13:50 | GoRK | still, the job of a photon client is pretty much the same as a pgui client, and the job of the photon server and pgserver is pretty much the same |
| 08:14:21 | cdm | save for the fact that the font server, graphics output and such are all also clients to Photon. |
| 08:16:31 | GoRK | video and input divers are modular in picogui. you can display or take input to/from multiple devices at the same time. They are part of pgserver. fonts are still locked in. at some point we'll have dynamic fonts probably |
| 08:16:31 | GoRK | on the plus side, it makes implementing things like AA and subpixel AA much easier |
| 08:18:32 | cdm | yeah. I think that we will have an option of putting the font server as a loadable module in io-graphics (the graphics device server). |
| 08:19:32 | GoRK | from my preliminary ventures into the world of AA, it looks like we'll have to change only 2 functions (and they will be small ~5 line changes) to get subpixel AA in the entire pgserver |
| 08:19:43 | GoRK | which should look neat |
| 08:19:50 | cdm | funky! |
| 08:20:46 | GoRK | err. i lied. we'll have to change 3. there is a seperate function to blit text that is 90 degrees rotated |
| 08:21:12 | GoRK | which reminds me that it still has an alignment problem on arm and i need to look at it! |
| 08:23:14 | cdm | GoRK: So can pgserver take advantage of accelerated drawing systems if the hardware provides it? |
| 08:23:36 | GoRK | cdm: yes that is provided for in the video drivers. |
| 08:24:39 | cdm | and does it do it all statically or dynamically (the drivers)? |
| 08:24:52 | GoRK | cdm: we don't currently have any systems that have an advanced interface for it, but just as an example, if you are on x86, we have assembly routines that blit much faster than normal memcpy for framebuffers |
| 08:25:11 | GoRK | cdm: well the video drivers are compiled into pgserver statically |
| 08:25:45 | GoRK | cdm: and we have offscreen rendering and double buffering things... persistant and immediate draw modes, etc |
| 08:27:14 | GoRK | cdm: and the video drivers take care of the mechanics of it all. iirc there isnt yet any driver that attempts to communicate with video hardware directly to do that kind of thing.. mainly because we're not particularly interested in playing video or something of that nature with this |
| 08:27:49 | cdm | right right. |
| 08:27:57 | cdm | but how about accelerated line drawing and such? |
| 08:28:34 | GoRK | there are drivers for different types of framebuffers, drivers that use SDL to handle things, drivers that use svgalib to handle things, and even a driver that lets picogui run on top of ncurses (text mode video, gpm mouse input, and tty keyboard) |
| 08:29:14 | cdm | hahaha..cool. |
| 08:29:28 | cdm | People have thought about doing devg-ascii.so @ work. |
| 08:30:24 | GoRK | cdm: yes, i believe the video drivers currently provide the ability to accelerate drawing of lines, rect's, polys and also do blits, tiled filled blits, and draw gradients |
| 08:31:23 | cdm | neato! |
| 08:31:36 | GoRK | plus they have the option of defining what they want to use for memcpy in case they have some special hardware that can do fun things (like VESA page flipping or something) |
| 08:31:36 | cdm | gee, sounds like you guys are way ahead of some of the other system that are looking to replace X. ;) |
| 08:31:56 | cdm | besides Photon of course. ;) |
| 08:32:31 | GoRK | well we are quite behind in plenty of other areas though. our widgets are currently lagging bigtime |
| 08:32:44 | cdm | ahh.. |
| 08:32:45 | GoRK | but still pretty good for a lot of things |
| 08:34:14 | GoRK | we are missing some pretty important (imo) ones still and the functionality of others (e.g. textbox) is fairly late blooming (textbox just got word wrapping in the middle of last month!) |
| 08:36:41 | GoRK | our color pickers suck too :) |
| 08:37:14 | GoRK | ahh yeah and we've got perl bindings. those are fun |
| 08:38:31 | GoRK | anyway i gotta sleep sometime, so i better get going |
| 08:38:41 | GoRK | talk to you later |
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| 12:10:07 | Tangent | chuckles |
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| 12:50:34 | scanline | is away: class |
| 13:25:02 | prpplague | 's web site of the day http://www.verizonreallysucks.com |
| 13:47:23 | prpplague | kinda quite this morning |
| 13:52:05 | Tangent | prpplague : Yep... Not hacking on tuxscreen stuff right now |
| 13:52:37 | mallum | anyone remember that link for the AP driver for prism II cards that was mentioned yesterrday ? |
| 13:53:39 | prpplague | mallum: sorry no, i'd like that link myself |
| 13:54:40 | SpaceCoaster | maybe http://www.epitest.fi/Prism2/ |
| 13:55:04 | mallum | yep thats it ta |
| 13:55:23 | mallum | buy.com has the DWL-650 cards for 70 quid |
| 13:56:29 | mallum | I wonder if it'll work as an AP with orinocos cards on the 'clients' ? |
| 13:56:41 | cory | mmm, DWL-650 is prism2? |
| 13:57:16 | mallum | yep |
| 13:57:34 | mallum | well I know orinoco's work with a WAP-11 |
| 13:57:39 | vosque | prism had some weird stuff for ahilw |
| 13:57:57 | vosque | but I think the prism2'll do 802.11b |
| 13:58:08 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/dsc00044.jpg |
| 14:00:46 | Tangent | prpplague : Very cute |
| 14:00:52 | Tangent | prpplague : What's under the hood? |
| 14:01:30 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/products/PD4854992533.html |
| 14:01:47 | prpplague | nothing fancy, 486dx-75 equivilent |
| 14:01:58 | Tangent | What's the cost? |
| 14:02:41 | prpplague | base unit with 16megs ram, 16meg disk-on-module, dual pcmcia $430 |
| 14:03:02 | Tangent | Gulp... far too much |
| 14:03:19 | prpplague | Tangent: i know i'm working on getting it cheaper |
| 14:03:36 | Tangent | prpplague : Ditch the case, and just find an SBC |
| 14:03:51 | prpplague | Tangent: we developed it for our in house thin-client and 802.11 networking |
| 14:04:18 | Tangent | prpplague : Ah.. this is something you guys make |
| 14:04:30 | prpplague | Tangent: ya my design |
| 14:04:51 | Tangent | prpplague : Nice looking board inside |
| 14:05:03 | Tangent | shame about the cooling fan tho |
| 14:05:16 | Tangent | Couldn't you use the case as a heatsink ? |
| 14:06:52 | Tangent | is on a personal war against fan noise |
| 14:06:53 | prpplague | Tangent: we were told that to pass the fcc business license we couldn't use anypart of the case as a heat sink |
| 14:07:24 | Tangent | prpplague : Hrm... that's a shame |
| 14:07:25 | prpplague | Tangent: i agree, the next version will be either zf86 based unit or strongarm |
| 14:08:08 | Tangent | prpplague : How many layers is the board? |
| 14:08:37 | prpplague | 4 |
| 14:09:27 | prpplague | we had it laid out and fabricated in tawain |
| 14:17:14 | signal11 | hey bklyn |
| 14:17:26 | signal11 | can't you just join both servers? |
| 14:17:27 | Bklyn | hello |
| 14:17:32 | Bklyn | hm, |
| 14:17:33 | signal11 | this is markl btw |
| 14:17:42 | Bklyn | gott figure out how to do that on irssi |
| 14:17:50 | Bklyn | didn't mean to leave etree irc |
| 14:18:47 | Bklyn | ok thats better |
| 14:19:04 | Bklyn | ok, signal11 has pointed me to the tuxscreen and I have questions |
| 14:19:18 | Bklyn | I'll just ask and feel free to shut me up if I am too annoying :) |
| 14:19:38 | Bklyn | is it possible to setup swap space on these things? |
| 14:19:48 | Bklyn | 16 MB RAM seems kinda small |
| 14:19:56 | signal11 | the cf hard disk might be the best way to do that |
| 14:20:05 | signal11 | if you have $$$ to spare |
| 14:20:05 | Bklyn | yeah,s wap to that |
| 14:20:21 | Bklyn | well, 50c a MB for CF memory is pretty good |
| 14:20:34 | Bklyn | but I do have a spare 32 MB card since I've recently upgraded the one in my digicam |
| 14:20:42 | signal11 | yeah, just dispose of it after the 100,000 writes or whatever |
| 14:20:54 | Bklyn | so I could have swap = 2x RAM, the Linux 2.4 golden rule |
| 14:21:09 | Bklyn | signal11: seriuos? |
| 14:21:20 | Bklyn | CF won't last forever ala RAM? |
| 14:21:26 | signal11 | no |
| 14:21:33 | Bklyn | did not know that |
| 14:21:47 | signal11 | the rating is like 100,000 writes |
| 14:21:54 | signal11 | but most will last longer |
| 14:22:01 | Bklyn | hm, that could be an issue for your "hard drive" |
| 14:22:03 | Bklyn | or "swap space" |
| 14:22:13 | signal11 | yeah, especially for swap |
| 14:22:25 | Bklyn | I guess folks mostly mount read-only then |
| 14:22:25 | signal11 | and bit errors would probably cause a Real Serious problem |
| 14:22:40 | signal11 | i use jffs |
| 14:22:48 | SpaceCoaster | signal11: is it 100,000 writes for the whole thing or per block? |
| 14:23:04 | signal11 | spacecoaster i'm not the expert, but i think that is per bit |
| 14:23:05 | Bklyn | jffs = ? |
| 14:23:10 | signal11 | journaling flash file system |
| 14:23:21 | Bklyn | hot damn YAFS |
| 14:23:24 | signal11 | compressed, and i think it's supposed to reduce writes |
| 14:23:33 | signal11 | like not always write to the same areas |
| 14:23:38 | signal11 | if possible |
| 14:23:45 | Bklyn | signal11: so you are runnin w/a CF "hard disk"? |
| 14:24:10 | signal11 | it has a 4mb flash built in, that holds the kernel and my / filesystem |
| 14:24:22 | Bklyn | and thats jffs? |
| 14:24:53 | signal11 | yes |
| 14:25:00 | Bklyn | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/TuxScreenLinks |
| 14:25:09 | Bklyn | ok why doesn't that link to the "InstallingLinux" page? |
| 14:26:13 | signal11 | well it's a wiki page; anyone could add a link |
| 14:26:38 | Bklyn | I seriously have trouble finding that install page |
| 14:27:13 | Bklyn | ah found it on the (duh) SW page |
| 14:28:49 | signal11 | heh |
| 14:30:57 | signal11 | prpplague it is kinda quiet this morning, isn't it |
| 14:31:53 | Bklyn | ? |
| 14:32:04 | Bklyn | oh misread |
| 14:34:04 | signal11 | spacecoaster where did you get that nick? |
| 14:34:25 | signal11 | i finally realized why i've been singing the "great space coaster" theme song in my head all week |
| 14:34:37 | signal11 | kids show from the 80's, when i was a kid |
| 14:35:12 | SpaceCoaster | lived in florida on the space coast, cocoa beach |
| 14:35:13 | Bklyn | its the great space coaster, get on board |
| 14:35:31 | signal11 | bklyn heh. exactly |
| 14:35:33 | Bklyn | you catch many shuttle launches? |
| 14:35:38 | Bklyn | I've always wanted to see one |
| 14:36:04 | SpaceCoaster | never heard the song...fires up limewire... |
| 14:36:19 | signal11 | limewire? |
| 14:36:23 | Bklyn | dunno if it'll be on there... |
| 14:36:37 | Bklyn | limewire =~ gnutella isn't it? |
| 14:37:01 | SpaceCoaster | the shuttle launches are spectacular, specially at night, the regular rockets are good too |
| 14:37:07 | signal11 | no gnus is good gnus. i'm surprised microsoft hasn't started using that one |
| 14:37:17 | Bklyn | with gary gnu! |
| 14:37:33 | signal11 | he even pronounced it correctly |
| 14:38:41 | Lenolium | *pling* |
| 14:38:51 | Bklyn | sweet! Mule setlist from last night |
| 15:00:12 | SpaceCoaster | signal11: Found the song, sorry you had that going through your head, forgive me please :-) http://www.geocities.com/tgscoaster/sound/mp3/tgsctheme16.mp3 |
| 15:00:22 | signal11 | heh. excellent detective work |
| 15:01:10 | signal11 | yeah it's not the best song in the world. but watch it every morning when you're a kid and it gets stuck in your head forever |
| 15:01:14 | SpaceCoaster | we'll spin you through the galaxy.. |
| 15:01:57 | Bklyn | damn, "The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information." |
| 15:02:00 | Lenolium | Mornin |
| 15:02:36 | SpaceCoaster | ooops, one mp3 too many, got it here, if you want it? |
| 15:03:28 | signal11 | i must have just gotten in before you |
| 15:03:53 | signal11 | and the riaa wants to prevent us from doing this. how silly |
| 15:04:25 | signal11 | lenolium how's it going today |
| 15:08:14 | Lenolium | signal11: Pretty good. Think I should write my first PicoGUI app today. |
| 15:20:21 | cdm | morning. |
| 15:20:38 | AlHazWork | Mornin |
| 15:22:04 | signal11 | alhazwork were you the one who mentioned a computer surplus store out in orem the other day? |
| 15:22:47 | AlHazWork | signal11: yeah |
| 15:23:06 | signal11 | what was it called again? |
| 15:23:17 | signal11 | this time I'll cut & paste |
| 15:23:35 | AlHazWork | called ARC . . . . I forget what the acronym stands for |
| 15:23:45 | AlHazWork | they have a bit of attitude on 'em |
| 15:25:12 | AlHazWork | but they generally have some pretty good deals |
| 15:25:30 | AlHazWork | I bought a 20" ibm trinitron monitor from them for $50, slightly beat up, works fine |
| 15:25:47 | signal11 | wow |
| 15:25:53 | AlHazWork | (maxes out at 1280x960 at 64hz, but hey, it's big) |
| 15:26:30 | signal11 | hmm, i can't find them in the yahoo yellow pages. |
| 15:26:46 | AlHazWork | they used to be business-to-business only, couple weeks ago I got a flyer in the mail that they're open to the public now |
| 15:26:52 | AlHazWork | trying to find address, url, etc |
| 15:27:02 | AlHazWork | for some reason i can't even get to qwestdex . . . |
| 15:27:02 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i had a girlfriend once that i used the same description for... |
| 15:27:21 | signal11 | prpplague open to the public now? |
| 15:28:00 | scanline | is back (gone 02:37:26) |
| 15:29:01 | Lenolium | Mornin scanline |
| 15:30:27 | prpplague | signal11: naw, (maxes out at 1280x960 at 64hz, but hey, it's big) |
| 15:32:19 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9550023355.html |
| 15:33:22 | Bklyn | BTW, if you admin a linux box w/people you don't necessarily trust have access, you probably want to upgrade your kernel to 2.4.12 |
| 15:33:33 | Bklyn | nw root 'sploit |
| 15:33:35 | Bklyn | new |
| 15:34:00 | scanline | Lenolium: good morning :) |
| 15:37:34 | AlHazWork | THERE we go |
| 15:37:39 | AlHazWork | signal11: http://www.alliedresource.com/ |
| 15:37:45 | Lenolium | scanline: Well, I've decided (and GoRK is behind me), that PicoGUI is going to be what is running our app on the TuxScreen. |
| 15:38:11 | AlHazWork | 'course, that website is useless |
| 15:38:16 | scanline | Lenolium: Cool. I just got back from my first classes of the day, so I'm reading GoRK's email (and I read the discussion from last night) |
| 15:38:30 | AlHazWork | does give their address tho |
| 15:39:44 | Lenolium | scanline: So, I'm starting work on creating my first app, to see how things go, any tutorials or anything on it? Or should I just go for broke? (Oh and is there any way to emulate 8bpp on my 16bpp screen?) |
| 15:40:35 | scanline | Lenolium: Sorry, no tutorials yet... There's an API reference on picogui.org, but it's not really that helpful. For now you have to read the existing apps and ask questions :) |
| 15:41:00 | scanline | Lenolium: And to emulate the tuxscreen's LCD you can give pgserver "-m 640x480x8" on the command line |
| 15:41:27 | Lenolium | scanline: Brace for questions. |
| 15:41:32 | scanline | :) |
| 15:41:57 | Bklyn | surfs picogui.org |
| 15:43:01 | scanline | Bklyn: hehe. I should probably put a screenshot of the HTML stuff on there |
| 15:44:00 | Bklyn | is there a terminal emulator? |
| 15:44:12 | scanline | yes. It's almost-but-not-quite VT100 compatible |
| 15:44:18 | Bklyn | more importantly |
| 15:44:20 | scanline | (still missing many escape codes) |
| 15:44:22 | Bklyn | is there an IRC client? |
| 15:44:23 | Bklyn | :) |
| 15:44:38 | scanline | Hehe. Not yet, I haven't tried running one in the terminal |
| 15:44:42 | Bklyn | I understand the vt100 emulation code in XTerm is quite hairy |
| 15:44:57 | Bklyn | never check though |
| 15:45:13 | scanline | I'd like to think the vt100 code in picogui's terminal is fairly clean... I tried reading the code for ETerm for hints and gave up :) |
| 15:45:13 | Bklyn | the linux console code would probably be good to rip-off |
| 15:45:38 | ctr | ehehe |
| 15:45:43 | ctr | Eterm is a beast |
| 15:45:44 | ctr | :) |
| 15:45:47 | scanline | yeah, though the infrastructure for everything is already implemented, we just need the rest of the escape codes |
| 15:45:47 | Bklyn | yeah |
| 15:45:55 | Lenolium | scanline: Have you played around with the inferno app that runs on the tuxscreen? |
| 15:45:59 | Bklyn | scanline: is it an FSM? |
| 15:46:13 | scanline | Lenolium: for about 30 seconds... I just wanted to get linux on mine |
| 15:46:27 | scanline | Bklyn: full screen mode? |
| 15:46:30 | ctr | yeah i played about for all of 30 minutes |
| 15:46:30 | ctr | :) |
| 15:46:42 | Bklyn | nah, FSM = finite state machine |
| 15:46:51 | Bklyn | good for stuff like terminal emulators |
| 15:46:52 | AlHazWork | I messed with the internet apps on inferno |
| 15:47:00 | scanline | Lenolium: Actually, I quite like being able to type in PI and get a shell :) |
| 15:47:17 | Lenolium | scanline: Maybe we'll have to keep that feature. :) |
| 15:47:18 | AlHazWork | they'r enot worth the aggrivation |
| 15:47:30 | scanline | Bklyn: probably not strictly |
| 15:47:45 | Lenolium | scanline: But did you see how it had the little menubar at the bottom? I think that's the same basic idea that I want to stick with in the new tuxscreen app. |
| 15:47:54 | scanline | ok |
| 15:47:58 | scanline | that should be easy in picogui |
| 15:48:11 | scanline | It would just be a toolbar application filled with button widgets |
| 15:48:16 | Bklyn | ok, so in re: tuxscreen boxes |
| 15:48:22 | Bklyn | if I want a useful one |
| 15:48:33 | Bklyn | what would I need in addition to tghe box itself? |
| 15:48:43 | Bklyn | PCMCIA eth card or maybe 802.11 |
| 15:48:55 | Lenolium | scanline: But doesn't picogui want to control the app management? |
| 15:48:56 | Bklyn | CF adapter? |
| 15:49:02 | Lenolium | Bklyn: Null modem. |
| 15:49:09 | Lenolium | Bklyn: That is #1 important. |
| 15:49:20 | Bklyn | right |
| 15:49:26 | scanline | Lenolium: The application launcher is a separate application |
| 15:49:29 | Bklyn | is a laplink cable a null modem? |
| 15:50:01 | Lenolium | scanline: Ahh.. sweet. You design things <voice style='japanese-schoolgirl'>super-extra-good</voice>. :) |
| 15:50:16 | scanline | Aaaahhh! It's XML-IRC! |
| 15:50:18 | AlHazWork | blk: Except when it's parallel port to parallel port, yeah |
| 15:50:29 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: even |
| 15:50:38 | Lenolium | scanline: Closer to CSS2 actually.. |
| 15:50:41 | Bklyn | I think mine is serial |
| 15:50:47 | scanline | hehe |
| 15:50:50 | Bklyn | actually it has 2 connectors at each end |
| 15:50:53 | Bklyn | 1 db9, 1 db25 |
| 15:51:00 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: probably serial |
| 15:51:09 | Lenolium | Bklyn: Probably, do you have a db9 and a db25 port on your computer? |
| 15:51:28 | Bklyn | serials are 9's |
| 15:51:35 | Bklyn | and I have 1 parallel db25 |
| 15:51:51 | AlHazWork | I use old 3 connector laplink cables with my tux |
| 15:51:58 | AlHazWork | db9 on one end and both on the other end |
| 15:52:11 | ctr | i bought a nll modem cable :) |
| 15:52:13 | Bklyn | I'll have to unearth mine |
| 15:52:20 | AlHazWork | Only part of the my whole 286 notebook setup from highschool that works properly :/ |
| 15:52:20 | Bklyn | I seem to recall 2 conns on each end |
| 15:52:35 | Bklyn | ok, but lets say I have the tuxscreen |
| 15:52:39 | Bklyn | and the null modem cable |
| 15:52:54 | Bklyn | I assume that a standalone tuxscreen w/no connectivity isn't THAT useful |
| 15:53:03 | AlHazWork | well yeah |
| 15:53:06 | Bklyn | where connectivity = net |
| 15:53:14 | AlHazWork | get a nic :) |
| 15:53:21 | Lenolium | Or ppp :) |
| 15:53:23 | Bklyn | is anyone running 802.11 cards? |
| 15:53:30 | Bklyn | e.g. wifi |
| 15:54:03 | Bklyn | would seem like a good candidate |
| 15:54:03 | Lenolium | Bklyn: Well, the problem is getting !5V PCMCIA Cards, the majority of them are nowdays, so you have to look hard to find 3.3V cards. |
| 15:54:05 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: No, nobody is |
| 15:54:11 | Bklyn | ah |
| 15:54:33 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: it seems as though most if not all prism2 cards should work on 3.3v, but so far nobody has compiled a driver that loads and works on the tux |
| 15:54:47 | AlHazWork | orinoco_cs is there but it traps the kernel |
| 15:54:54 | Bklyn | ah so folks have indeed tried |
| 15:55:02 | AlHazWork | wlan_ng should work but i can't figure out how to compile it for arm, and don't care |
| 15:55:08 | Bklyn | but lan cards are hunky dory |
| 15:55:11 | AlHazWork | my tux is three feet from a hub |
| 15:55:14 | Bklyn | heh |
| 15:55:17 | AlHazWork | so I have no need for wireless |
| 15:55:27 | AlHazWork | considering it's tethered to the floor anyhow |
| 15:55:33 | Bklyn | one of my visions for it is as a kitchen "node" |
| 15:55:47 | Bklyn | and I have no ether in my kitchen :) |
| 15:55:54 | Bklyn | though thats easily rememdied |
| 15:59:34 | Bklyn | (for significantly large valeus of "easy") |
| 16:00:29 | signal11 | alhazwork cool. thanks |
| 16:31:04 | Lenolium | Mornin BZFlag |
| 16:31:33 | Bklyn | 'lo |
| 16:32:04 | Bklyn | BZFlag: a coworker just ordered a tux and I think I'm about to myself |
| 16:32:16 | Bklyn | hopefully reduce your stores by a few :) |
| 16:38:04 | SpaceCoaster | Anyone want to test a DSP "driver"? |
| 16:38:19 | Bklyn | I bet signal11 does |
| 16:38:26 | Bklyn | he's been dreaming about hem |
| 16:38:30 | Bklyn | them |
| 16:38:31 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: do we have a /dev/wheaties? |
| 16:38:50 | Bklyn | what about a /dev/raisin-bran? |
| 16:39:16 | Lenolium | Hrm, you think 30x30 px are big enough for touchscreen icons? |
| 16:39:25 | SpaceCoaster | Bklyn: too late we had the naming competition yesterday, wheaties it is! |
| 16:39:31 | Bklyn | heh |
| 16:39:38 | Bklyn | wheaties sounds good to me |
| 16:39:42 | Bklyn | was jes kiddin |
| 16:39:49 | GoRK | heh! |
| 16:40:00 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: i absolutely want to test it |
| 16:40:22 | Lenolium | GoRK: What do you think, a 30 pixel high iconbar at the bottom of the screen? |
| 16:40:22 | GoRK | spacecoater: i want to fiddle with audio routes and jumper the dsp up to the ucb1200 audio like nobody else |
| 16:40:29 | GoRK | Lenolium: sounds OK |
| 16:40:42 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: good, would it be okay to post it developer list? |
| 16:40:58 | Bklyn | So the phone portion of the tuxscreen is non-functional (at least now) under linux? |
| 16:41:16 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: i don't see why not, unless someone tries to use it and hasnt a clue :) |
| 16:42:10 | GoRK | Bklyn: no the phone works as pulse dial only, but you just don't really have any software control over the device that handles the phone part of things... UNTIL NOW!!!! Viva los wheaties! |
| 16:42:20 | Bklyn | heh |
| 16:42:26 | Bklyn | so you could pick up the fone and dial? |
| 16:42:36 | Bklyn | e.g. use it as a POTS |
| 16:42:46 | GoRK | yeah |
| 16:42:53 | GoRK | no dtmf |
| 16:42:54 | Lenolium | Bklyn: Not yet, we have to create wheatiesd that would handle that. |
| 16:43:02 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: i don't see why not, unless someone tries to use it and hasnt a clue :) |
| 16:43:19 | Bklyn | Lenolium: what functions would the DSP need to perform? Just tone gen? |
| 16:43:23 | GoRK | but, yes, it currently works fine as a simple phone |
| 16:43:41 | Bklyn | and perhaps handling stuff like caller ID |
| 16:43:46 | Bklyn | OOB signals |
| 16:44:04 | GoRK | the dsp has to handle turning speakerphone on/off, mute, callerid, dtmf, switchook, volume, LED's, flash, mute |
| 16:44:24 | Bklyn | ah so plenty of wtuff |
| 16:44:33 | GoRK | but in it's bootup state it handles switchook and pulse dialing from the handset only |
| 16:45:10 | Bklyn | if I get a brand new in the box unit, are all those functions operational? |
| 16:45:16 | BZFlag | GoRK: and it rings on incoming calls. |
| 16:45:37 | GoRK | oh yeah, that too |
| 16:45:44 | BZFlag | Bklyn: yes. under Inferno all the phone functions work. internal modem ISP access too. |
| 16:45:44 | Bklyn | so basically if you have it on a fone line you can use it as a fone |
| 16:46:24 | BZFlag | Inferno (what comes on it) does not support the pcmcia slots at all. |
| 16:46:35 | Bklyn | so are you guys writing these drivers by reverse-engineering the infrno code, or working from the hw specs? |
| 16:46:39 | BZFlag | Linux does the pcmcia slots, but not the DSP (phone) features yet. |
| 16:46:46 | Bklyn | dual boot! |
| 16:46:47 | Bklyn | :) |
| 16:46:55 | BZFlag | Bklyn: a little of both. |
| 16:47:13 | SpaceCoaster | DSP driver patch sent, don't be too cruel to it. |
| 16:47:16 | Bklyn | another highly important question |
| 16:47:23 | AlHazWork | Bklyn: Bah, the inferno cruft that comes with the phone is hardly worth bothering with |
| 16:47:27 | Bklyn | where do you store 900+ of these things? :) |
| 16:47:45 | BZFlag | Bklyn: heh, in my basement. |
| 16:48:03 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: oh i will :) |
| 16:48:26 | Bklyn | is it likely that >16MB RAM will be addressable at some point? |
| 16:48:47 | GoRK | Bklyn: it is likely that anything the phone is capable of doing will be possible at some point :) |
| 16:48:47 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: Hmm the patch looks a little funny, give it a glance first. |
| 16:48:53 | AlHazWork | sure, all we have to do is figure out how inferno does it |
| 16:49:28 | Bklyn | GoRK: well, I was kinda wondering if the phone HW maybe couldn't support more |
| 16:49:44 | GoRK | Bklyn: no no reason it cant |
| 16:49:49 | Bklyn | ah ok |
| 16:50:00 | Bklyn | thinks he needs one of these toys |
| 16:50:18 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: ahh this has to be applied on top of rmk+russ+touchscreen patches |
| 16:50:54 | Bklyn | do you guys cross compile on a "real" box or build the kernels directly on the tux? |
| 16:50:58 | BZFlag | Bklyn: Inferno supports the 32M sodimm for 40M total. |
| 16:51:11 | BZFlag | blob needs to get patched to support it, that's all. |
| 16:51:16 | Bklyn | ahhh |
| 16:51:31 | Bklyn | is 40 the absolute limit then? |
| 16:51:38 | BZFlag | It is doubtful that the 64M sodimm will work, as it does not boot with Inferno. |
| 16:51:47 | Bklyn | nods |
| 16:51:57 | Bklyn | sodimm = laptop-style mem? |
| 16:52:00 | BZFlag | but it might be possible to disable the internal 8M and just use the sodimm for 64M total. |
| 16:52:24 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SODIMM |
| 16:52:54 | GoRK | is the "512K Data flash" located on the mongoose board? Is it the DSP's flash? |
| 16:53:11 | AlHazWork | GoRK: no, it's not |
| 16:53:32 | GoRK | ahhhhhhhhhhhh how interesting... |
| 16:53:58 | BZFlag | GoRK: 512k serial flash is accessed by the DSP, but it not used to boot the DSP. |
| 16:54:07 | Lenolium | 48x48 seems a lot easier to wack with my finger. |
| 16:54:13 | Lenolium | I think I might go for that. |
| 16:54:15 | BZFlag | under Inferno it holds user data, notes, calb info, etc. |
| 16:54:39 | SpaceCoaster | Driver test program posted. |
| 16:54:58 | GoRK | BZFlag: ok so you would need to read/write to it through the DSP? |
| 16:55:02 | BZFlag | yes |
| 16:55:06 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: /dev/weaties? or /proc/thingey? |
| 16:55:39 | GoRK | Lenolium: it looks like there is a proc entry for registers and a /dev/wheaties for the acutal interface |
| 16:55:40 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: mknod /dev/wheaties c 60 0 |
| 16:55:55 | Lenolium | Reading and writing to the Flash's DSP is aparently pretty hard, the inferno stuff pretty much hates it most of the time. |
| 16:56:11 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: Sweet. |
| 16:56:31 | GoRK | i'd imagine. pumping 512KB over a one bit interface is pretty mean :) |
| 16:57:11 | GoRK | starts up a kernel compile and goes to get a bowl of wheaties |
| 16:57:18 | Lenolium | Actually, can't it do a nibble at a time? |
| 16:57:24 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/img/basement0.jpg http://TuxScreen.net/img/basement1.jpg |
| 16:58:00 | GoRK | BZFlag: yeach! |
| 16:58:03 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: the registers are the GPIO stuff, we still have problems there, The spi_read displays the data in hex, and clears the queue from the DSP.g |
| 16:58:23 | Bklyn | BZFlag: man, and I thought I had a lot of computer stuff in my basement! |
| 16:58:23 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: tryping too fst |
| 16:58:32 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 16:58:38 | BZFlag | I just took those. |
| 16:58:49 | BZFlag | count them if you like. ;-) |
| 16:59:05 | Bklyn | what does your hat say? |
| 16:59:09 | Bklyn | in that 'stang pic |
| 16:59:15 | BZFlag | Slashdot |
| 16:59:21 | Bklyn | oh, duh :) |
| 16:59:51 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: wow |
| 17:00:05 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: Just read your post to the mailing-list, thank you for allowing me to generate my own happy tones. :) |
| 17:00:14 | Bklyn | what additional hardware do you guys have in your boxes? Lan card and CF adapter mostly? |
| 17:00:59 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: no problem. |
| 17:01:39 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: especially this interface, search for udelay() and weep. |
| 17:02:29 | Lenolium | Alright, a 48px button bar is it. anything smaller would be trouble on this touch screen. |
| 17:03:21 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: check out the parallel port zipdrive (ppa) driver if you want to see how they implement it... the parallel port zip drive can fall back to a nibbling interface.. maybe they have a cleaner or quicker way that they implement it |
| 17:04:10 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: you dont have to set anything in kernel .config to make this work do yoU? |
| 17:04:29 | BZFlag | Bklyn: I use a Kingston cio10t network card and then NFS mount |
| 17:04:45 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: will do, but I think most of it is our hardware, this wasn't my 50th version :-) |
| 17:05:20 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: no but if you disable your keyboard it will stop working :-) |
| 17:05:42 | GoRK | spacecoaster; i noticed it hanging on for dear life to that line in the makefile... :) |
| 17:06:15 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: learning about configs is next, maybe, wanna get my 32mb ram card to work! |
| 17:07:38 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: Wheaties a free IR keyboard in every box! |
| 17:08:37 | GoRK | you have a card that is RAM?!?!?! |
| 17:08:49 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: the patch a funky version numbers at the end of file names, I used cvs rdiff to generate it, is it ok? |
| 17:09:11 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: yes a SODIMM from crucial |
| 17:09:44 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: it applied fine. there were trailing CR's but i think that was because i saved it from a windows machine... ahh a sodimm. i thought you meant a pccard that was ram |
| 17:10:15 | GoRK | i just made up a bowl of wheaties |
| 17:11:16 | BZFlag | headed to the post office with another 16 phones, then work. cya |
| 17:13:33 | GoRK | WHOOT HAPPY TONE |
| 17:13:44 | SpaceCoaster | woohoo |
| 17:13:56 | SpaceCoaster | flashy lights? |
| 17:14:08 | GoRK | lights came on for a while on boot, yes |
| 17:14:21 | GoRK | let me mess with buzby |
| 17:14:47 | SpaceCoaster | super, yeah flashy was a bit scary, looks like somethings broken, warning Will Robinson, Danger, Danger |
| 17:15:38 | SpaceCoaster | The BIG red led is bright enough to read a book with |
| 17:15:57 | SpaceCoaster | buzby gives examples in it's usage |
| 17:16:32 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: just posted a DSP "driver" |
| 17:18:20 | GoRK | sad tone :((( |
| 17:18:31 | SpaceCoaster | waaaaah |
| 17:19:10 | GoRK | ouch buzby 42 01 11 |
| 17:19:25 | GoRK | and 42 01 10 to make it quit it |
| 17:19:44 | SpaceCoaster | arrrgggh, 11 isn't on the list |
| 17:19:59 | GoRK | i wonder why!!! aaaaaaah the pain |
| 17:20:07 | SpaceCoaster | play nice |
| 17:20:20 | SpaceCoaster | 42 01 01 is preferable |
| 17:20:37 | Russ|werk | trie changing the audio path and playing sound yet? |
| 17:20:49 | GoRK | Russ: i only had this going for one minute :) |
| 17:21:00 | SpaceCoaster | me too:-) |
| 17:21:07 | GoRK | and sadly, i need to go to work in just a couple minutes |
| 17:22:28 | SpaceCoaster | setting the destinations does something, buzby 42 02 01 |
| 17:22:28 | SpaceCoaster | loses dialtone, but might be sending out on the line? |
| 17:22:53 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: that's what i want to make hook to ucb1200 |
| 17:23:00 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: a return of 80 means success. |
| 17:23:04 | SpaceCoaster | cool |
| 17:24:23 | GoRK | playing the tone to line 1 causes loss of dialtone also |
| 17:26:47 | SpaceCoaster | There is also a set the audio path command, a6 02 = handset |
| 17:32:17 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: the keys also leave send events, cat /proc/driver/wheaties/spi_read after pressing a key. |
| 17:32:41 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: Can you read /dev/wheaties to get that data out? |
| 17:34:27 | SpaceCoaster | maybe, but probably not, for reasons which will resolved we reset the DSP whenever it is reopened, the data will also be in binary |
| 17:35:02 | GoRK | oh you reset when wheaties is opened? no wonder i couldnt do two commands on two different lines |
| 17:35:09 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: if you wrote a program which hung around interpreting results then yes! |
| 17:35:45 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: hmm, what do you mean? |
| 17:38:03 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: i was sending an audio route command and then an offhook command but not all on the same commandline |
| 17:38:14 | GoRK | i got the speakerphone to start whining from feedback |
| 17:38:43 | GoRK | you should do sanity check on wheaties open instead 0xdb |
| 17:38:58 | SpaceCoaster | k |
| 17:39:49 | SpaceCoaster | buzby.c could be modified to accept multiple commands 0xnn 0xnn -- 0xnn ... |
| 17:40:09 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: it already seems to |
| 17:40:37 | GoRK | ./buzby a6 02 a7 02 |
| 17:40:47 | SpaceCoaster | maybe it just sends them all, don't send more than 64 bytes! |
| 17:43:34 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: what does that do? |
| 17:44:01 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: handset off hook and audio to it |
| 17:44:20 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: is that good/useful? |
| 17:44:25 | GoRK | not really yet |
| 17:44:29 | SpaceCoaster | k |
| 17:44:32 | GoRK | the dsp seems to do that all by itself |
| 17:45:31 | GoRK | im beginning to think that this shouldnt reset the dsp at all unless we ask it to |
| 17:45:38 | SpaceCoaster | goes to shave while GoRK goes to work! |
| 17:45:53 | SpaceCoaster | I agree it is a workaround/awful hack |
| 17:46:14 | SpaceCoaster | read the driver |
| 17:46:24 | GoRK | ill fool with it |
| 17:46:29 | SpaceCoaster | thanks |
| 17:47:00 | SpaceCoaster | says bye |
| 17:47:05 | GoRK | later. |
| 18:04:52 | Lenolium | is away: Shower |
| 18:22:31 | | collord was last seen on #tuxscreen 22 hours, 10 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: mallum: i think everything besides this is a firmware injection [Thu Oct 18 21:11:37 2001] |
| 18:22:31 | BZFlag | ibot: seen collord |
| 18:23:48 | Lenolium | is back (gone 00:18:55) |
| 18:35:08 | collord | hey BZFlag |
| 18:35:30 | BZFlag | hey. I'm just writing you an email. ;-) |
| 18:35:55 | BZFlag | sent it. |
| 18:36:04 | collord | got it. |
| 18:43:01 | Lenolium | Alright, I think I'm gonna start on wheatiesd on Sunday. |
| 18:45:57 | BZFlag | sweet, good luck! |
| 18:48:33 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: the driver will eventually support interrupts and queuing/polling which will make it easier. |
| 18:52:35 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: you might also need timestamps on the packets |
| 18:52:39 | BZFlag | viewml in build-root won't browse the net. =( |
| 18:54:42 | SpaceCoaster | is it a dns problem? |
| 18:56:01 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: that and more. |
| 18:56:34 | SpaceCoaster | aaah |
| 18:56:47 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: it will browse local files fine. dns does not work, http by ip at least opens a connection, but still does not display |
| 18:57:14 | BZFlag | ping had dns just fine. |
| 18:57:32 | BZFlag | er has. in other words ping to hostnames is fine. |
| 18:58:24 | SpaceCoaster | I put the server ip in /etc/hosts and it seemed to work |
| 18:58:33 | SpaceCoaster | same network tho' |
| 19:00:17 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: ah. hmm.. must be a ststic glibc thing then? |
| 19:00:23 | BZFlag | er static |
| 19:01:03 | BZFlag | I wonder what I need to do to talk the static glibc into using resolv.conf |
| 19:01:14 | BZFlag | does viewml do http 1.1? |
| 19:07:01 | scanline | Ooohhh.. DSP driver! |
| 19:08:23 | scanline | wants a happy tone :) |
| 19:08:38 | RobFlynn | gives scanline a happy tone. |
| 19:08:59 | scanline | but I'd rather hear it from my Tuxscreen ;) |
| 19:09:54 | scanline | Actually, I want to add /dev/wheaties support to PicoGUI so it can make noise when you tap on the screen |
| 19:15:01 | GoRK | scanline: you better wait on doing that since the functionality on that device will probably change a lot |
| 19:15:33 | GoRK | if you want to make a beep you'll probably have to end up sending a message to a daemon |
| 19:17:34 | scanline | ok |
| 19:17:41 | scanline | but I still want to play with it :) |
| 19:18:19 | GoRK | it's on the tuxscreen lsit. compile up a kernel. make sure you apply it on top of the touchscreen diff |
| 19:18:28 | GoRK | my phone is making happy tones |
| 19:18:29 | scanline | is the touchscreen diff in CVS yet? |
| 19:18:36 | GoRK | yes it's in buildroot |
| 19:18:39 | scanline | cool |
| 19:18:44 | scanline | downloads buildroot from CVS |
| 19:18:44 | GoRK | in fact, buildroot compiles it up |
| 19:19:56 | scanline | hmm... this will take a while |
| 19:22:31 | | mallum was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 hours, 24 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: well I know orinoco's work with a WAP-11 [Fri Oct 19 14:57:34 2001] |
| 19:22:31 | SpaceCoaster | ibot: seen mallum |
| 19:23:05 | | I haven't seen 'ibot', scanline |
| 19:23:05 | scanline | ibot: seen ibot |
| 19:23:10 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:24:34 | Bklyn | do you guys cross compile on larger boxes, or build right on the fones? |
| 19:24:51 | scanline | the phones don't have enough memory to compile comfortably |
| 19:24:54 | signal11 | x compile |
| 19:25:06 | Bklyn | cool |
| 19:25:18 | signal11 | that cvs buildroot makes it very easy |
| 19:26:11 | SpaceCoaster | works great, surprisingly good |
| 19:27:04 | SpaceCoaster | ouch |
| 19:29:25 | Bklyn | ooh, Proven Marketing Secrets of the Pros! |
| 19:29:30 | Bklyn | delevered right to me via email! |
| 19:29:34 | Bklyn | My lucky day |
| 19:30:25 | Bklyn | </sarcasm> |
| 19:36:31 | prpplague | argh, someone in management just asked me to write a spam app |
| 19:36:42 | GoRK | prpplague: i hate that one |
| 19:36:47 | pattieja | prpplague: what's that? |
| 19:37:38 | prpplague | he wanted an app that gathered email address from a site and create a mass email |
| 19:37:42 | prpplague | told him no way |
| 19:38:23 | GoRK | prpplague: when they asked me to write one, I gave them a lot of coaching and what we came out with was a double opt-in thing and the mailer personalizes each with the user's full name and *begins* not ends with the paragraph explaining why they are recieving it and how to get off of it |
| 19:39:16 | GoRK | oh yeah and the bounces go into their own mailboxes so they won't abuse it |
| 19:39:33 | GoRK | so far, no coplaints at all. |
| 19:39:37 | prpplague | well i just told them no way |
| 19:40:00 | GoRK | i was unfortunately not in the position to say no way :) |
| 19:41:27 | GoRK | but it's really not spamming they are doing. they are only emailing registered users of the service who specifically sign up to get the eamil. sometimes our customers who dont get it call us to complain that they dont! it worked out much better than if they'd have just forced it to work as they intended at first |
| 19:41:55 | GoRK | e.g. you have to register and log in, then visit a seperate page that's entirely about getting the email |
| 19:42:00 | prpplague | GoRK: this is off of SOMEONE ELSE's website |
| 19:42:41 | GoRK | yeah that's a way different thing... at first these guys wanted to build a massive database of every related address they could and send it out to all those people |
| 19:42:45 | GoRK | i can feel your pain |
| 19:42:56 | GoRK | whoops gotta run real quick. bbl |
| 19:43:02 | prpplague | GoRK: later |
| 19:53:19 | collord | prpplague: fedex come with ceiva yet? |
| 19:56:01 | prpplague | heck no, its in the fexex hub in memphis |
| 19:56:13 | prpplague | s/fexex/fedex |
| 19:57:24 | prpplague | collord: i assure you that as soon as it gets here, within 10 minutes i'll have it apart and pics on the net |
| 19:58:24 | prpplague | collord: (place boast here ->) i'll have linux running in 15 minutes |
| 19:58:35 | collord | prpplague: linked from the tuxscreen wiki? |
| 19:59:20 | prpplague | collord: my wiki page should point to my small-linux pages, and that's where i'll post the info |
| 20:00:13 | prpplague | Proteus: speakeasy.net? i thought verizon shutdown speakeasy operations? |
| 20:00:16 | collord | prpplague: oh, okay. I'm still sticking to "that thing ain't got that much memory" |
| 20:00:46 | prpplague | collord: my info didn't come from a reliable source |
| 20:02:16 | Proteus | prpplague: I have no clue. :-) I've still got bandwidth. Did Verizon buy Speakeasy? |
| 20:03:02 | prpplague | iirc speakeasy was just a code name for verizon's internet services |
| 20:03:40 | Proteus | Heheh. No, speakeasy is an internet service provider up in the Seattle area that has national coverage through Covad. |
| 20:04:46 | Proteus | www.speakeasy.net |
| 20:05:30 | prpplague | just checked the records on our customer, seems speakeasy still provides internet just not networking services |
| 20:05:47 | Proteus | *nod* |
| 20:05:57 | Proteus | Wierd. |
| 20:06:06 | Proteus | So, Speakeasy is a part of Verizon then? |
| 20:06:38 | AlHazWork | "verizon" still sounds like a "we're about to run out of VC" name |
| 20:06:47 | AlHazWork | just like Cingular |
| 20:06:49 | Proteus | *lol* |
| 20:06:52 | Proteus | Yeah, I know. |
| 20:06:59 | Proteus | Unfortunately, they usually *are* the VCs. |
| 20:07:28 | prpplague | sorry my mistake, just seems that verizon and speakeasy are providing telecom services to our customer |
| 20:07:29 | AlHazWork | friend of mine used to work with a company that's considering a name change to "Entivity" |
| 20:07:55 | Proteus | *lol* At least the company I work for's name is classic enough not to be mistaken. :-) |
| 20:08:04 | AlHazWork | they make machine tool controllers . . . |
| 20:08:14 | Proteus | Cool. |
| 20:08:31 | prpplague | i work for - Advantage Business Computer Systems aka ABCS |
| 20:08:32 | AlHazWork | they're running as fast as they can down the stupid road |
| 20:08:55 | AlHazWork | he used to maintain their website, they decided they want as much javascript & flash as usual, so he bailed |
| 20:09:04 | AlHazWork | c/usual/possible |
| 20:09:12 | prpplague | i can see why |
| 20:09:20 | AlHazWork | quoth the VP: "The way i see it, the more flash the better" |
| 20:10:20 | AlHazWork | they hooked up with some web design firm that's basically four guys who all just bought copies of dreamweaver |
| 20:11:03 | prpplague | hmm, that sounds all too familiar |
| 20:11:31 | AlHazWork | For a demonstration of their prowess as "web programmers", turn off javascript in your browser and go to www.entivity.com |
| 20:11:43 | Proteus | Or use Lynx. :-) |
| 20:11:58 | prpplague | let see what lynx does.... |
| 20:12:52 | prpplague | www.urlofyournewlocation.com??? |
| 20:13:04 | scanline | heh |
| 20:13:14 | AlHazWork | Yup |
| 20:13:14 | scanline | same thing in Konqueror with Javascript off |
| 20:13:22 | Proteus | Gak, spec'ing USB Host Controllers sucks. |
| 20:13:25 | AlHazWork | redirect to the non-javascript version of the page |
| 20:13:31 | AlHazWork | they'll probably never figure that out, either |
| 20:13:40 | signal11 | lol |
| 20:13:44 | scanline | Hehe. We could register urlofyournewlocation.com and hijack their site |
| 20:13:45 | signal11 | that is amazing |
| 20:14:24 | prpplague | scanline: just register the name and don't pay the bill, you got there site for 30 days |
| 20:14:32 | prpplague | s/there/their |
| 20:14:53 | scanline | prpplague: hehe. Domain registration is so cheap these days. I got picogui.org for $15 |
| 20:15:14 | AlHazWork | shelled out $150 for areb.org way back in '97 . . . . |
| 20:15:36 | prpplague | ya i got small-linux.com , but i can't ever seem to find time to get a box up on the company t1 |
| 20:16:09 | scanline | VA Linux hosts picogui.org for free :) |
| 20:25:24 | Proteus | How many Tuxscreens have gone out the door so far? *thinks* |
| 20:25:39 | prpplague | ya but that means you can't put pr0n next to the links for source code |
| 20:43:28 | BZFlag | Proteus: close to 300 now. |
| 20:43:51 | Proteus | BZFlag: Hrm. Maybe I should snag a few more. If they're going that fast, I might consider it. |
| 20:44:15 | BZFlag | I'm selling about 30 a week these days. |
| 20:44:47 | Proteus | *nod* |
| 20:44:59 | Proteus | Very cool. |
| 20:45:09 | Proteus | So, has anyone done a *real* schematic for Shannon yet? |
| 20:45:53 | BZFlag | no full schematic yet. |
| 20:46:18 | Proteus | Hrm. |
| 20:46:21 | Proteus | looks at OrCAD |
| 20:46:28 | Proteus | looks at the horizon for his TuxScreen. |
| 20:46:32 | Proteus | looks at OrCAD again. |
| 20:46:38 | Proteus | looks at Acrobat. |
| 20:46:44 | Proteus | thinks it can be done. |
| 20:48:08 | Russ|werk | use harry eaton's pcb |
| 21:05:00 | prpplague | Proteus: your in seattle right? |
| 21:05:49 | Proteus | prpplague: Nope, Santa Cruz, CA. |
| 21:06:27 | prpplague | ohh |
| 21:08:15 | Proteus | But I originally hail from Salt Lick City. |
| 21:09:13 | prpplague | lol |
| 21:09:23 | Proteus | Tortureville, to be exact. |
| 21:09:57 | prpplague | don't know that one |
| 21:12:48 | Proteus | Taylorsville. :-) |
| 21:13:48 | prpplague | ahh, now i understand |
| 21:14:00 | prpplague | is in tyler, texas |
| 21:14:23 | Proteus | Cool. My mom now resides in Austin. |
| 21:14:23 | scanline | wow, I'm not the only one on Mountain time here! |
| 21:16:03 | prpplague | scanline: i'm on central time |
| 21:16:16 | scanline | darn |
| 21:17:44 | Proteus | *lol* |
| 21:17:55 | Proteus | I'm listening to Genesis through my distortion box... it's funky. :-) |
| 21:20:40 | prpplague | hey my linksys dsl router is arm based |
| 21:21:17 | AlHazWork | there are arm cores everywhere these days |
| 21:22:18 | prpplague | http://mculand.com/e/sub1/mcu/arm7tdmi_device/s3c4500.htm |
| 21:22:43 | Proteus | *nod* One of the ones I'm proud to be playing with is the Creative Nomad Jukebox. :-) |
| 21:23:34 | prpplague | cool this would be a sweet hack |
| 21:23:44 | AlHazWork | Proteus: I hear that the Rio players use a cirrus arm core of some sort |
| 21:23:59 | AlHazWork | Proteus: I've got a RioVolt that i listen to all day at work, I've been too chicken to open it up |
| 21:24:19 | scanline | I'd think most embedded ARM devices wouldn't have enough memory for Linux |
| 21:24:54 | Proteus | AlHaz: *nod* Check out the Cirrus Maverick processors. |
| 21:25:32 | AlHazWork | I have a CL P7500FE based settop at home, runs RISCos . . . |
| 21:25:37 | AlHazWork | I've never done much with it |
| 21:25:49 | Proteus | That's what the original Nomad Jukebox uses - like a Cirrus EP7312. |
| 21:25:53 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 21:25:58 | Proteus | But the next Jukebox to come out will use a chip called "Clover" |
| 21:26:12 | Proteus | Has an onboard ARM7 combined with a Motorola DSP56K series signal processor. |
| 21:26:19 | AlHazWork | Curious |
| 21:26:23 | Proteus | Onboard USB slave, disk controller, other nifty features. :-) |
| 21:26:31 | AlHazWork | cool |
| 21:26:58 | Proteus | Then there's the next generation controller they're designing right now called Daisy - that one goes to an ARM9 core and ups the clock speed significantly. |
| 21:28:12 | AlHazWork | what's the advantage of arm9? most folks seem content with arm7 |
| 21:28:55 | Proteus | *nod* They want some more horsepower. The CPU speed is better. |
| 21:29:21 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 21:30:40 | prpplague | bummer this linksys route only has 512k flash |
| 21:30:52 | Proteus | Which one, the BEFSR? |
| 21:32:09 | prpplague | befsr11 |
| 21:35:42 | prpplague | two 4m edo ram, 1 4mega-bit flash |
| 21:36:30 | Proteus | Cool. I've got a BEFSR81. |
| 21:37:02 | prpplague | Proteus: going to void your warranty and have a look? |
| 21:38:54 | Proteus | prpplague: Since it's running our whole network, no. :-) I'll just call my friends at Linksys and get a schematic. |
| 21:39:59 | prpplague | Proteus: you got friends at linksys? |
| 21:40:19 | Proteus | *nod* Couple people - met 'em at ESC west this year. |
| 21:41:06 | prpplague | Proteus: cool, i was on the phone with linksys today trying to get them to make some changes to the html code for the befsr series |
| 21:41:33 | prpplague | Proteus: several of the pages aren't html3 compliant so i have problems using lynx with them |
| 21:43:15 | prpplague | Proteus: if you gets some info let me know |
| 21:43:33 | scanline | nifty. My phone makes happy tones now :) |
| 21:44:19 | prpplague | scanline: we don't care until it boots up and says "smeghead" |
| 21:44:38 | prpplague | scanline: jk |
| 21:44:42 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:44:58 | Proteus | *lol* |
| 21:45:07 | Proteus | wants his TuxScreen |
| 21:45:29 | scanline | how about if it recites poems in morse code? |
| 21:48:45 | scanline | has the urge to add some 'super-experimental' code to pgserver to make it beep when you click buttons |
| 21:49:42 | AlHazWork | I can never find anything that rhymes with "dot" or "dash" when i try that |
| 21:49:50 | AlHazWork | limited selection, you know |
| 21:50:44 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:56:14 | prpplague | later guys, a hear a beer calling my name.... |
| 21:56:36 | AlHazWork | have a good one |
| 21:56:57 | scanline | bye |
| 21:57:01 | prpplague | i hope to have more than one.. |
| 21:57:03 | prpplague | later |
| 22:02:24 | GoRK | hmmmm beer tastes good |
| 22:02:30 | GoRK | friday night. should go drinking! |
| 22:02:58 | AlHazWork | Pretty sure I'm gonna go home and set up a dns server |
| 22:03:05 | AlHazWork | <-- party animal |
| 22:03:33 | GoRK | heh |
| 22:05:15 | AlHazWork | once i finish THAT, I've got a fujitsu stylistic tablet with a transflective screen that's dying to be turned into a moving map gps display |
| 22:05:32 | GoRK | ooh that sounds cool |
| 22:05:40 | AlHazWork | oh yeah, and i'm going to be rebuilding a palm IIIxe from scratch |
| 22:05:46 | AlHazWork | well, parts & pieces |
| 22:05:48 | GoRK | AlHaz: was it you who posted the link to those polaroid phot frames yesterday? |
| 22:05:58 | AlHazWork | GoRK: Nope, but they're at compgeeks.com |
| 22:06:07 | GoRK | yeah i actually ordered one |
| 22:06:36 | AlHazWork | http://www.kraftvoll.at/software/ <-- GPL moving map software |
| 22:06:56 | GoRK | yeah i have seen that. that's the software we're planning on using in the short bus |
| 22:07:00 | AlHazWork | they look very interesting, but my backlog of interesting stuff to tinker with is getting lengthy |
| 22:07:47 | AlHazWork | I've got an aincent Toshiba T100X pen tablet that I'm itching to turn into the worlds biggest palm pilot . . . a Dauphin DTR-1 that needs repairs, an iopener . . . . |
| 22:08:11 | GoRK | ahh you lucky skunk got an iopener |
| 22:08:27 | AlHazWork | GoRK: Utah has these excellent thrift stores, the darndest things show up at 'em |
| 22:08:31 | AlHazWork | the IO cost me $20 |
| 22:08:38 | GoRK | agg i hate you |
| 22:09:02 | GoRK | heh so would you sell it for $25 :) |
| 22:09:06 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 22:09:25 | AlHazWork | no, I had to pay another $17 for a 19vcd supply, and another $15 or so to get the bios chip flashed |
| 22:09:32 | AlHazWork | 19vdc even |
| 22:09:40 | Proteus | *lol* I remember finding an old PDP8/e in a DI when I was there. |
| 22:09:50 | GoRK | i have a 19v supply from an old notebook :) |
| 22:09:54 | AlHazWork | Proteus: Friend of mine bought a VAX at DI once |
| 22:10:14 | AlHazWork | Proteus: What was hilarious was that his only mode of transportation at the time was a Vespa P200e |
| 22:10:51 | Proteus | Oh god, how did he get it home!? Drag it behind him on a skateboard? |
| 22:11:01 | AlHazWork | Proteus: More or less |
| 22:11:27 | AlHazWork | Proteus: He wanted it for parts tho, lots of big beefy servos, huge solenoids, and nice power supplies in a VAX |
| 22:11:49 | Proteus | Of course. |
| 22:12:02 | Proteus | That's why I picked up a bunch of hardware there. Tons of good stuff. B |
| 22:12:26 | AlHazWork | These days, at least at the Orem DI, they stockpile the computer junk all week, and wheel it out at 10am saturday morning |
| 22:12:29 | Proteus | BTS dumped a bunch of genlock and video equipment on the one over on 45th south - so I picked it all up for under $300. |
| 22:12:35 | AlHazWork | I'm usually standing there waiting for it when it arrives |
| 22:12:36 | Proteus | Had over a dozen genlocks, switchers, etc.... |
| 22:12:59 | Proteus | So, I ripped all the hardware out of the systems and had 20 1U EIA rack cases. :-) |
| 22:12:59 | AlHazWork | cool |
| 22:13:25 | AlHazWork | I saw a Sun 670/MP at DI once |
| 22:13:33 | AlHazWork | it was . . . . . big . . . |
| 22:13:49 | Proteus | Heheh. Almost got one of those too, but then I bid on the CS6400 that was for sale. :-) |
| 22:13:59 | Proteus | was || That close to getting a Cray. |
| 22:14:09 | AlHazWork | hehe |
| 22:14:20 | AlHazWork | I've found some mostly working laptops at DI lately |
| 22:14:37 | AlHazWork | got a thinkpad 560 for my sister, nice little p100 with a 12" display |
| 22:14:42 | AlHazWork | $20 |
| 22:14:49 | AlHazWork | trackpoint was demolished |
| 22:14:55 | AlHazWork | otherwise in fine condition |
| 22:15:30 | Proteus | *nod* I'm looking for good displays right now. |
| 22:16:39 | AlHazWork | Proteus: Any interest in decent quality Sharp greyscale LCDs? I think I have two, 10", triple-supertwist, whatever that means |
| 22:16:57 | Proteus | TSTNs. Cool. |
| 22:17:14 | Proteus | AlHazWork: How much? Do they include backlight+Controller? |
| 22:17:15 | AlHazWork | from my long dead 286 notebook from highschool . . . |
| 22:17:25 | AlHazWork | and the one for parts i picked up |
| 22:17:27 | AlHazWork | heck, I dunno :) |
| 22:17:53 | AlHazWork | do have backlights |
| 22:17:54 | Proteus | Heh. If I can't use 'em, they're no good to me. :-) |
| 22:18:34 | AlHazWork | I have two entire Sharp PC-2030 notebooks, one of 'em has an utterly munged up motherboard (chips missing, etc) |
| 22:18:40 | AlHazWork | the other has a farked up power supply |
| 22:18:55 | AlHazWork | but i think they both have nice, fully intact screens |
| 22:19:00 | AlHazWork | at least one of them does |
| 22:19:04 | Proteus | Hehe,. |
| 22:19:21 | Proteus | We'll see how I can get this TuxScreen I'm ordering up, then we'll talk. |
| 22:19:25 | AlHazWork | I also have an 11" color DSTN off a Winbook |
| 22:19:28 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 22:19:32 | Proteus | Unltil then, I'm going to be in USB hell. |
| 22:19:35 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 22:19:57 | AlHazWork | I've heard a lot of people moan and groan that USB was designed to cater to programmers who are utterly without skill |
| 22:20:06 | AlHazWork | mostly hardware engineers who complain about that |
| 22:20:48 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: DI is every saturday? I ought to join you now and then. |
| 22:21:19 | BZFlag | wants a 19" rack, a new UPS and a 10/100 switch. ;-) |
| 22:21:50 | GoRK | ok i have figured out that speakerphone param data, etc affect the speakerphone's echo cancellation and stuff |
| 22:21:54 | pattieja | BZFlag: we were thinking about opensourcing the plans to the rack we built :) |
| 22:22:36 | other | mmmm rack |
| 22:23:25 | Proteus | AlHaz: No, I'd never say anything like that. |
| 22:24:10 | Proteus | Nevermind the fact that USB is extremely interrupt intensive unless you buy this ONE SINGLE CHIP from one vendor - oh, most controllers are also non-DMA, which means that the hardware guy usually gets bitched at for interrupt latency time. :-) |
| 22:24:15 | Proteus | But no, USB isn't *that* bad. |
| 22:24:18 | Proteus | pattieja: which rack? |
| 22:29:05 | | cosmicpenguin was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 days, 22 hours, 14 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: bye! [Wed Oct 17 01:14:08 2001] |
| 22:29:05 | GoRK | ibot seen cosmicpenguin |
| 22:30:10 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: Yup |
| 22:30:29 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: they open the doors at about 9:55. Well, actually, BYU opens the doors for 'em. doesn't trust the staff with security. |
| 22:30:39 | pattieja | Proteus: hehe. The one we built for our own office use. |
| 22:30:45 | bhima | just looked a the tuxscreen site. |
| 22:30:49 | bhima | drools. I want one! :) |
| 22:30:58 | pattieja | we went to the hardware store and got some stuff and cut it, primed it, painted it, and put it together |
| 22:31:55 | bhima | (already got two iPAQs and two Newtons, so I have lots of ARM-based toys) |
| 22:33:02 | scanline | GoRK: I just committed a patch to pgserver for /dev/wheaties support as a compile-time option :) |
| 22:33:45 | other | /dev/wheaties? |
| 22:33:51 | GoRK | ok, but you know when you beep it with wheaties it'll cut your call off |
| 22:33:54 | scanline | other: the DSP device |
| 22:34:33 | other | ooh. |
| 22:34:59 | scanline | GoRK: i don't use it as a phone anyway |
| 22:35:08 | scanline | the compile-time option is marked "EXPERIMENTAL" |
| 22:36:02 | bhima | Have the problems with some of them not working with linux been fixed? what are the odds that I'll get one of the non-functional ones... |
| 22:36:03 | bhima | ? |
| 22:36:40 | GoRK | bhima: they can all work with linux now, as far as the touchscreens |
| 22:39:16 | bhima | gork: ahh, ok. I cna't find the page I was reading before that referenced problems. what stuff wasn't working? |
| 22:39:32 | GoRK | some touchscreens werent working in linux, but it has been fixed |
| 22:39:36 | GoRK | GPSFan: hey how goes it? |
| 22:40:12 | bhima | ok. great. very good. any more info about 5v PCMCIA cards? |
| 22:40:15 | GPSFan | Howdy GoRK: the schematics are comming along, |
| 22:40:32 | GPSFan | I also got my PCMCIA spec. |
| 22:40:52 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: did you catch my DSp announcement? |
| 22:41:12 | GoRK | GPSFan: well when you get to it, i'm very curious if the ucb1200 audio or telecom codec's are at all connected to the mongoose board.. and what is happening with line2 from mongoose... :) |
| 22:41:16 | GPSFan | which one, the BIG RED LED or Happy Tones? |
| 22:41:26 | GoRK | GPSFan: all of them |
| 22:41:27 | pattieja | is away: headin' home |
| 22:42:07 | SpaceCoaster | I released a driver today, GoRK was first to hear the happy tones |
| 22:42:15 | GPSFan | I've heard that SpaceCoaster wrote a wheties.c test driver and things are evolving at a rapid rate. |
| 22:42:31 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: speakerphone param data controls the echo cancellation and attack of the speakerphone interface i believe |
| 22:42:53 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: that's 2 great big feathers for your virtual cap! |
| 22:43:15 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: ahhh that's why it's so huge, 500 bytes or something |
| 22:43:59 | GPSFan | GoRK: The UCB1200 is on the list, but towards the bottom. I've just finished the connectors from the CPU board, the Flash, and DRAM sheets. |
| 22:44:10 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: do you know if our DSP flash is writeable I saw a resistor/link on a schematic is it in/out or enabled? |
| 22:44:46 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: i have gotten spk, etc. interfaces to come off hook with the proper volumes, but for some reason the telephone audio is not attached to them... |
| 22:45:48 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: take notes, I exhausted, took 3 16hour days to crack the DSP, should have been easier. |
| 22:46:05 | Proteus | With AT&T DSPs? Riiiiiiiiiight. |
| 22:46:14 | GPSFan | GoRK: the flash schematics are for the CPU's flash, I haven't gotten to the I/O board or DSP mudule yet. There is however, a JTAG connector on the Mongoose module, It might allow re-flashing of the DSP. Especially when you consider that the Mongoose is soldered down. |
| 22:46:58 | GoRK | GPSFan: bzflag said that the 512k data flash is on mongoose and it only stored user data. the dsp operates from ROM. |
| 22:47:25 | GoRK | but who knows |
| 22:47:32 | Lenolium | GoRK: But it would be unwise to test that without a JTAG unit handy. |
| 22:47:34 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: the spec sheet says it has Flash but who knows indeed? |
| 22:47:53 | GPSFan | GoRK: well BZ has had the Mongoose off the I/O board, so he should know what chips are populated. |
| 22:48:15 | GoRK | it does have flash. the technical drawings show that it does |
| 22:48:27 | GoRK | 2 chips |
| 22:48:46 | GPSFan | as shown on the cave drawings. |
| 22:48:52 | SpaceCoaster | true |
| 22:48:53 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 22:49:30 | GoRK | and inferno seems to bog down when writing user data, which would indicate that it's possibly nibbling on the dsp lines |
| 22:50:00 | Lenolium | I wonder if inferno reads all the data out of cache into ram on first use. |
| 22:50:23 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: not surprised did you see the length of the udelays() |
| 22:50:58 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: yes. theyre huge |
| 22:51:24 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: yeah a kernel guru would puke |
| 22:52:37 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: my problem is trying to figure out why i dont hear dialtone when i set audio to the handset, etc.... and then a few seconds after it sits there a while, it goes back to the old volume and plays dialtone again... like the dsp got reset |
| 22:53:04 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: I pushed in, you were telling us about the schematics. |
| 22:54:45 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: the DSP generates responses all by itself sometimes might do to check them. |
| 22:55:10 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: every open does a full reset |
| 22:55:15 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: sorry, I lost my train of thought, Next time I run into Tangent, I'll send them to him and he will convert them to .pdf and post them. |
| 22:55:32 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: this happens by itself with no events. |
| 22:56:00 | GPSFan | I was hoping to be farther along by this weekend, but ....... not to be. |
| 22:56:18 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: the PDF is a great idea but they don't take up the whole page, squashed near the top |
| 22:57:26 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: they seem to be obsessed with setting the clock on the DSP, maybe we should look into that |
| 22:57:46 | GoRK | they do that for CID |
| 22:57:51 | GoRK | i think |
| 22:58:09 | GoRK | the seconds tick on the dsp. i did some time queries and watched it |
| 22:58:42 | SpaceCoaster | it's this first thing they do after a reset, like they are desparate about losing time. |
| 22:58:49 | SpaceCoaster | s/this/the/ |
| 22:59:03 | GoRK | reset probably resets the clock then |
| 22:59:32 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: time queries, how. I suspect it doesn't reset the DSP clock. |
| 22:59:48 | GoRK | hang on let me look |
| 23:00:15 | GoRK | run buzby 52 a couple times. the 2nd number increments the seconds |
| 23:00:16 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: you haven't looked at http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/ ? the ones there do take up a full C size sheet. The first one posted was ratated incorrectly. BTW, the ones up now are still rev .1 or so. I have 3 sheets to .9 and 4 to .5 rev level ready to go up. Much more detailed than what is up now. |
| 23:00:37 | GPSFan | s/ratated/rotated |
| 23:01:13 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: real cool, this stuff is so essential for working out the kinks |
| 23:01:30 | GoRK | it will be essential for voip also i think |
| 23:01:44 | BZFlag | I have not taken the mongoose off the io yet. I just removed the rf shield. |
| 23:03:15 | GoRK | i removed the rf shield and tried to look under it with a dentist's mirror.. you can see three small chips, on big one (wheaties) a couple larger capacitors, a few resistors, and a sticker |
| 23:03:46 | GoRK | on big one = one big one |
| 23:03:57 | GPSFan | BZFlag: ahhh, the 3 schematics of the Mongoose are somewhat different in that one doesn't show the flash(?) at all |
| 23:04:09 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: tuxcpu.pdf is two pages, the bottom half empty |
| 23:05:54 | GPSFan | SpaceCoaster: I see that now, I was just looking at the top half, and zoomed in it looks great. ;>(, I'll talk to Tangent about it. The schematics are produced in Orcad, out as a Postscript file which Tangent converts to .pdf. |
| 23:06:08 | BZFlag | GPSFan: didn't even know about those! can you upload them to the TuxScreen site as you work on them? |
| 23:06:40 | SpaceCoaster | yeah I have letter size printer, could they be rotated to fill the page? |
| 23:07:09 | GPSFan | BZFlag: I am doing that, the original problem, is that unless you have Orcad, they are unreadable. I dont have the SW to convert them to .pdf, Tangent does. |
| 23:07:42 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: outsourcing eh, always a problem :-) |
| 23:07:47 | BZFlag | GPSFan: yeah, I would not trust the schematics to much. They might well be early designs, but they are the best we have at present. |
| 23:08:02 | | i don't know, bzflag |
| 23:08:02 | BZFlag | ibot: what os you on? |
| 23:08:09 | BZFlag | GPSFan: what os you on? |
| 23:08:15 | GoRK | DTMF!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:08:32 | BZFlag | GoRK: congrats! |
| 23:08:38 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: GPSFan must have beeping and tracking non-stop for a week! |
| 23:08:47 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: yes! |
| 23:08:54 | GPSFan | BZFlag: I could still post the postscript files. ... We WILL have better schematics. ...I'm running Win98 ;>( |
| 23:09:01 | GoRK | let me see if it will dial out |
| 23:09:19 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: steady on man, don't go crazy |
| 23:10:01 | GPSFan | GoRK: don't dial Afganistan by mistake... :>) |
| 23:10:01 | GoRK | hmm it dialed the whole number... but the dialtone doesnt come up when you tell the dsp to go off hook |
| 23:10:16 | GoRK | im trying to make it call the time&temp :) |
| 23:10:18 | BZFlag | there is an epstopdf up on SF that might work for you. at least post the ps files. |
| 23:10:25 | GoRK | # ./buzby a7 06 22 1a 4c 03 a6 02 58 03 58 07 58 02 58 02 58 06 58 01 58 01 |
| 23:10:57 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: you speak SPI like a native! |
| 23:11:02 | BZFlag | are the orcad files text or binary? |
| 23:11:17 | GoRK | this audio route command is funky |
| 23:11:26 | GoRK | i think you have to OR the from/to |
| 23:11:47 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: who did I dial? |
| 23:11:54 | GPSFan | the Orcad files are CAD "design" files which are binary, and are linked to their component libraries. |
| 23:12:13 | SpaceCoaster | oops, try to dial? |
| 23:12:39 | BZFlag | will orcad import/export to some text format? if so we could put the design files in CVS. |
| 23:12:55 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: that command will play some tones to dial 3722611 (in 806 area code it's time and temp) but will not successfully dial on the line |
| 23:13:32 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: can you enable the speaker/ |
| 23:13:33 | BZFlag | can the num pad dial dmtf now? |
| 23:13:37 | GPSFan | BZFlag: you might look at the memory schematic, you will see that on the SODIMM that A12 is tied to nCS1 on the SA1100 |
| 23:13:43 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: yes but without param data it just feeds back |
| 23:13:43 | BZFlag | er dtmf |
| 23:14:12 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: wotz nCS1? |
| 23:14:18 | GoRK | BZFlag: no not yet.. if we had a daemon that listened for button pushes and sent dtmf commands then it would |
| 23:14:34 | Lenolium | Sunday sunday sunday! |
| 23:14:37 | GPSFan | BZFlag: I can export to .DXF format, but the conversion sort of sucks, and results in a large file SpaceCoaster: SA1100 pin 135. |
| 23:14:43 | Lenolium | I would do it sooner, but I have to do work between now and then. :) |
| 23:15:02 | GoRK | BZFlag: i have a feeling there is probably a way to change the 'default' behavior between power cycles but im still looking at figuring this out |
| 23:15:52 | GPSFan | I'm of to dinner, the wife just dalled, be back later. |
| 23:15:55 | GoRK | right now i just want to send a dsp command to take the phone off hook and hear dialtone |
| 23:15:59 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: will you use two processes one to read, one to write? |
| 23:16:05 | SpaceCoaster | GPSFan: see ya |
| 23:17:04 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: CosmicPenguin was considering that we should do most of the stuff in userspace do you think this is viable? |
| 23:17:14 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: yes totally viable |
| 23:18:07 | SpaceCoaster | cool, remove the resets, sanitize the delays, add queing (maybe timestamps), interrupts and this drivers done then! |
| 23:18:17 | GoRK | i was looking more at the linux "telephony" interfaces and found that that although there sort of is one, it's not very workable and most people program quicknet phonejacks/linejacks through /dev/iax0..etc and voice modems can never use it |
| 23:19:25 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: Hopefully, just one. |
| 23:19:38 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: Async I/O... if we can do it with ulibc... |
| 23:19:41 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: won't reads hang? |
| 23:19:47 | GoRK | the degree of control most telephony apps seem to require over the hardware sort of seem like trying to abstract that control is more of a hinderance than a blessing |
| 23:20:06 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: can I poll() or select() /dev/wheaties yet? |
| 23:20:20 | GoRK | i havent seen one yet that does not require workarounds for specific hardware bugs |
| 23:20:33 | GoRK | Lenolium: no you cant do either of those yet |
| 23:20:50 | Lenolium | Well then, I think spacecoaster has something to do until Sunday. ;) |
| 23:21:09 | GoRK | Lenolium: are you already working on a wheatiesd daemon or something? |
| 23:21:11 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: no, order of work, resets, delays, interrupts, queueing, polling etc. |
| 23:21:56 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: get my 32mb SODIMM working and I'll do the DSP! |
| 23:22:15 | Lenolium | What I want wheatiesd to do is this: open /dev/wheaties (looks like it'll have to do two processes for now), and let clients connect to it and let them send commands, and tell it which actions they would be interested in. |
| 23:23:13 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: the driver has to read the events from the SPI can't it just pass all onto the daemon and let it decide |
| 23:23:21 | GoRK | GPSFan_away: it looks to me like the mongoose revisions that differ in showing the flash chips is because there are two revisions... one with 128 sectors of 256 bytes and another with 2048 sectors of 256 bytes ea |
| 23:24:25 | other | slight difference.. |
| 23:24:26 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: That's what wheatiesd is for, it will read everything from /dev/wheaties, and throw away whatever the clients aren't asking for. |
| 23:24:35 | GoRK | the later version is what's on the tuxscreens |
| 23:25:07 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: must be we had a modem, 128x256 aint much. |
| 23:25:40 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: k, misunderstood. Would kernel timestamps on the messages help at all? |
| 23:26:18 | Lenolium | SpaceCoaster: No, not really, the apps might be able to use them though. But hopefully the kernel won't get bogged down enough that it matters. |
| 23:27:02 | Lenolium | Btw, do we have kpreempt enabled in the tuxscreen kernel yet? |
| 23:27:15 | Lenolium | Or is it x86 only for now? |
| 23:30:17 | Lenolium | Oh, and if any of you in Salt Town want to blow off some steam and play computer games all night tonight, let me know in <20m, and I'll give you an address to go to. |
| 23:39:38 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: welcome back? |
| 23:42:51 | Lenolium | Yah. |
| 23:43:32 | SpaceCoaster | Lenolium: Where'd you go, Afghanistan? |
