| 00:43:01 | Sammy | hello all . |
| 01:21:29 | GPSFan | Tangent: you still awake?? |
| 01:22:39 | GPSFan | Anyone interestedd in a 80% complete schematic of the PCMCIA portion of the Tux?? |
| 01:23:04 | as2 | YES! |
| 01:23:48 | GPSFan | Hi as2, How shall I send it. it is about 70k PNG, or I could convert it to jpg. |
| 01:24:07 | as2 | PNG is fine, can you DCC? |
| 01:24:30 | scanline | GPSFan: Can you send it to the mailing list? |
| 01:24:36 | GPSFan | Don't know, I'm new to IRC running mIRC on a PeeCee |
| 01:24:49 | as2 | Ok, double click on my nick. |
| 01:25:02 | GPSFan | k |
| 01:25:06 | as2 | Opens a window. Drag and drop the file onto it. |
| 01:26:03 | GPSFan | I think it is trying.... |
| 01:26:06 | as2 | Hmm, are you firewalled? |
| 01:26:43 | GPSFan | yes there is a firewall. |
| 01:26:56 | as2 | Thats why you never got the reply from this PC. |
| 01:27:06 | GPSFan | how about via e-mail? |
| 01:27:12 | as2 | Ok, sure. |
| 01:27:37 | GPSFan | send me an e-mail address |
| 03:30:08 | GoRK | does anyone currently have the latest microwindows running on their tux |
| 03:54:11 | GoRK | nevermind |
| 06:24:58 | Tangent | scanline : Did you get a copy of GPSFan's schematic? |
| 06:25:42 | scanline | Tangent: no |
| 06:26:08 | Tangent | Hrm.. and as2 is asleep... damn |
| 06:26:18 | Tangent | Ah well... I'll just have to wait then |
| 06:26:19 | scanline | it didn't get to you? |
| 06:26:43 | Tangent | Hrm.. I haven't actually looked in my mail, but I'm not on the mailing list anyhow (didn't know it existed) |
| 06:26:55 | scanline | he didn't send it to the mailing list |
| 06:27:07 | Tangent | Don't think he has my address |
| 06:27:10 | scanline | must've sent it to you directly |
| 06:27:11 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:28:04 | Tangent | Nope.. nothing in my mailbox.. |
| 06:29:13 | scanline | darn |
| 06:29:26 | scanline | seems like something of general interest, so it should go on the mailing list or the wiki |
| 06:31:14 | Tangent | scanline : Definately on the wiki |
| 06:31:19 | scanline | yep |
| 13:06:27 | Tangent | GPSFan : Hi... |
| 13:06:47 | Tangent | GPSFan : schematic to jim@secret.org.uk... please please please plesae :) |
| 13:21:31 | GPSFan | Mornin Tangent: missed you last evening,or I guess it was early am there. it is on its way, you should have it in a few minutes. |
| 13:22:28 | Tangent | GPSFan : I slept early last night... |
| 13:23:57 | GPSFan | Lots of interesting info on the schematic, the card id's appear on GP24,25,26,27 |
| 13:24:18 | GPSFan | with ready/busy |
| 13:24:45 | GPSFan | there is a spare GPio too connected to the unpopulated connector. |
| 13:24:57 | Tangent | GPSFan : How very convenient :) |
| 13:25:19 | GPSFan | and spare gates, so we might be able to add a software reset. |
| 13:26:14 | GPSFan | the schematic is missing the power connections to the PCMCIA socket, maybe later today ;>) |
| 13:28:32 | GPSFan | I had to print out the schematic and then scan it, so unfortunately the resolution is not great. I'm working on a way to distribute it in a more readable fassion, but I wanted to get something out asap. |
| 13:29:06 | Tangent | GPSFan : I can host it on one of my boxes if required.... |
| 13:29:16 | Tangent | GPSFan : DO you have it in PS or PDF format? |
| 13:29:44 | GPSFan | the real problem is converting from Orcad format to something most people can read. |
| 13:30:15 | Tangent | GPSFan : Ah.. yes.. I remember OrCAD... Tho' that should be able to print to PS |
| 13:31:15 | Tangent | GPSFan : I don't remember good things about OrCAD tho ;) |
| 13:31:26 | prpplague | if anyone is interested, just tried a 64m dimm module from my sa-1100 multimedia kit in the tuxscreen, would not even boot |
| 13:31:32 | GPSFan | I haven't fooled around with that for a while, my old SDT386 could, but the newer version (6.11/7.0) I did this in puts out a .prn file when asked to print to a file. |
| 13:32:30 | GPSFan | I used SDT386 and PCB for years doing prototyping, I could turn out more and better schematics than sending the job to our "CAD" department. |
| 13:32:47 | GPSFan | for lots less $ too. |
| 13:33:01 | Tangent | GPSFan : I last used OrCAD when I was at Uni.. I'm using EaglePCB at the moment... much nicer... |
| 13:34:02 | GPSFan | Hi prpplague: have you looked at the SA1100 docs in section 10.1 about the memory config? they say that all banks must be the same type and size chips. |
| 13:36:46 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya, i didn't figure it would work, but i tried anyway just to make sure |
| 13:36:51 | GPSFan | Tangent: it is a question of what I have and what I am used to driving. |
| 13:36:55 | Tangent | Hrm... I just cant get this to print out in any halfway readable format |
| 13:37:34 | Tangent | GPSFan : Yeah.. I understand... I just can't resist the opportunity to have a dig at OrCAD... It caused me so much pain in the past... :) |
| 13:38:22 | GPSFan | prpplague: I think that the non identical configurations that have been reported as working (under Inferno) may have had chips that refreshed the same, and Inferno was smart enough to set up the SA1100 to take advantage of that. |
| 13:39:00 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: I tried a 32mb which would boot, had 8k pages like the 64mb |
| 13:39:17 | GPSFan | Tangent: Yes, Orcad (the company) drove me nuts, and BTW were tooooooo coin operated. What we need is a nice OpenSource EDA. |
| 13:39:18 | SpaceCoaster | s/would/would NOT/ |
| 13:39:22 | prpplague | GPSFan: i was thinking about ordering another unit and removing the onboard ram just to see what would happen |
| 13:39:59 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: I think it might be the pagesize. |
| 13:40:04 | GPSFan | prpplague: you might have to tweak blob to set the refresh and config properly. |
| 13:40:43 | Tangent | GPSFan : http://www.eedesign.com/resources/opensourcelinks.html |
| 13:43:16 | GPSFan | Tangent: Hmmm interesting, I'll go looking at all their links for something to replace my Orcad tools :>) |
| 13:43:56 | GPSFan | Tangent: Have you gotten and are you able to view the schematic? |
| 13:44:01 | Tangent | GPSFan : I'm stuck using Windoze stuff for CAD... my printer don't talk Linux... |
| 13:44:16 | Tangent | GPSFan : I got it, and can view it, but can't make it print nicely |
| 13:45:18 | GPSFan | Tangent: it was done on a Windoze machine, any suggestions as to a better way to distribute it would be greatly appreciated. it is a.png I could send out a .DXF |
| 13:45:49 | Tangent | GPSFan : Install an Apple Laserwriter II printer... the .prn job it produces will actually be a postscript file (I think) |
| 13:45:59 | Tangent | GPSFan : Then we can convert to PDF or whatever from there. |
| 13:46:29 | GPSFan | Tangent: I use an NEC 1097 which is PostScript, I'll e-mail you the .prn file! |
| 13:46:37 | Tangent | GPSFan : Cool.. thanks |
| 13:47:05 | prpplague | GPSFan: i figured as much on the blob tweaks, but just have the time right now |
| 13:47:14 | GPSFan | Tangent: hold on a min while I boot the CAD machine up and cross load the .prrn. |
| 13:51:45 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe... the codec reset was mentioned here: http://www.mailgate.org/comp/comp.os.inferno/msg00206.html |
| 13:51:56 | CosmicPenguin | I guess we just kinda glossed over it.... |
| 13:52:31 | GPSFan | Tangent: the .prn is on its way. |
| 13:52:47 | Tangent | hammers the send/receive button for a bit :) |
| 13:53:08 | Tangent | got it |
| 13:53:16 | GPSFan | Tangent: hope my mail program didn't hose it. |
| 13:54:08 | Tangent | GPSFan : I have a beautiful beautiful PDF now :) |
| 13:54:54 | GPSFan | Tangent: how did you get a .pdf? |
| 13:55:39 | Tangent | GPSFan : Adobe Acrobat... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/TuxScreen/tux.pdf |
| 13:56:31 | GPSFan | Tangent: BEAUTIFUL!! |
| 13:56:36 | Tangent | :D |
| 13:56:54 | Tangent | GPSFan : Stick a link on the Wiki if you like :) |
| 13:56:57 | RedBaron | Morning all |
| 13:57:12 | Tangent | Good morning Mr. RedBaron |
| 13:57:37 | RedBaron | Tangent: How goes? |
| 13:58:00 | Tangent | RedBaron : Oh.. somewhere between reasonable and pretty good :) |
| 13:58:22 | Tangent | RedBaron : Yourself? |
| 13:59:13 | RedBaron | Tangent: *chuckle* Okay. Its a monday, made it through the company weekly meeting. Which is held at 9am on monday because the boss is sadistic like that. :/ |
| 13:59:46 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Trust me, its better than 3:00 on Friday.... :) |
| 14:00:32 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Hmm...Well...I suppose its easier to sleep on monday at 9am. But over here, we aways have beer for lunch on friday. So since that makes me realy sleepy...hmm. Its a toss up. :) |
| 14:01:45 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Staff meetings are painful any way you look at it.... I can't see how getting a bunch of engineers together in a room is going to solve anything... |
| 14:02:18 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: *chuckle* very true. |
| 14:02:24 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : It's valuable getting engineers in the same room.. Then you are garunteed a technical pissing contest |
| 14:02:33 | Tangent | Always good to see :) |
| 14:02:40 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Hey cosmic, I did a little hacking on microwindows over the weekend. Your involved with that right? |
| 14:02:55 | RedBaron | Tangent: *chuckle* |
| 14:03:03 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: I am..... |
| 14:03:30 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Whelp....I added in support for the screen+ and screen- keys. |
| 14:03:45 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Cool? What do they do? |
| 14:03:46 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Which was a 3 line change to nano-X. |
| 14:04:21 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: I used tinytoe's tuxscrwm to handle those keys increment/decrement contrast. And if the shift is held down, the brightness. |
| 14:04:35 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Awesome! Thats probably better than my menus... :) |
| 14:04:42 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 14:04:48 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Send me the patch will you? |
| 14:05:00 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: I used your menu code to do it. |
| 14:05:04 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Sure. Where to? |
| 14:05:13 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: jordanc@censoft.com |
| 14:05:20 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: it involves a slight kernel hack also. |
| 14:05:45 | CosmicPenguin | I wish we could use the microwindows CVS, and just patch that, but we are so far ahead of the current CVS, its scary... |
| 14:06:24 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Hmm. Okay. |
| 14:06:33 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Send everything you've got.... |
| 14:07:54 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Oh, I also noticed in dinking around with nano-x and what not that if tuxscrwm turns off the backlight because of idle timeout, it doesnt turn it back on when it exits. since I wasnt quite sure where that happened and it was getting late and didnt track it down, I also put a call to turn on the backlight during the startup of tuxscrwm. I'll give you that patch also. |
| 14:08:15 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: cause if you just killed nano-X once the backlight was off, it'd never come back on |
| 14:08:43 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Mail sent |
| 14:10:13 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Got it |
| 14:11:25 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Thats a good idea about the backlight... it turns out that the guy who did the screensaver timeout in the Nano-X server didn't really think it through when he did it.... |
| 14:11:39 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: *nod* |
| 14:12:13 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: I can't decide if starting a new app should turn the backlight on again or not... |
| 14:12:22 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: SHould probably have it turn it back on when it exits too. I'm guessing to have tuxscrwm do that and not nano-x. since it looks like nano-x doesnt know about the backlight device. |
| 14:12:50 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Hmm..Well, if it turned it off when it exited, it woudln realy need to force it to turn on when it starts |
| 14:13:09 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Thats right.... nano-X only knows about a timeout. I'll stick in an atexit() function.... |
| 14:13:20 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Ok. cool |
| 14:13:33 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: I was thinking of when an client app starts... for example, if you start the VNC client from the command line, should the backlight turn on or not? |
| 14:13:45 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: ah. |
| 14:14:45 | CosmicPenguin | Am I to assume that all the kernel work over the weekend has been inserted into the buildroot? |
| 14:15:06 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Hrm...well...I kind of htink that the backlight should be handled by the nano-x server. Following the paradigm of the backlight being hardware and the 'x' server being an extension of the kernel, sorta. Like how the stock X server handles powering off monitors and suchlike. |
| 14:15:26 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Not my little hack. But I do know that the touchscreen fix was added. |
| 14:16:16 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: I see it... |
| 14:18:47 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Oh..I took two keycodes that didnt look like they were being used. But I had to basicly guess and hope there wouldnt be conflicts down the road. :) |
| 14:20:01 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: If there are conflicts, we'll resolve them later... its not like people will be using this kernel on other boards or anything.... |
| 14:20:32 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: True. I was more thinking about nano-x though. |
| 14:20:33 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder if we should merge Russ's patches and the touchscreen patch and call it -tux2...... |
| 14:21:41 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: how ya doin? |
| 14:21:54 | boris | hey all |
| 14:22:20 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Good job man! Don't keep crediting me though, you did it all.... :) |
| 14:22:21 | RedBaron | boris: Howdy |
| 14:22:26 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Hows it going? |
| 14:22:30 | boris | slowly |
| 14:22:38 | boris | got 101 things on muh plate |
| 14:23:12 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: well, you should have been there, you sleep at weekends or something? |
| 14:23:55 | CosmicPenguin | <--- sadly has no internet at home |
| 14:25:35 | Tangent | Gulp |
| 14:25:53 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you can always come round and use mine |
| 14:27:30 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: I have a patch to enable the FBIOBLANK ioctl, a better way to power off the backlight. |
| 14:35:48 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I saw that... I don't know if we want to split up the backlight and contrast/brightness controls.... |
| 14:36:12 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: We will have to discuss that... the Ipaq has a structure that sets all three at once, Russ was thinking about doing something like that.... |
| 14:38:31 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: it's just that X uses FBIOBLANK, so it would be useful. |
| 14:40:35 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: True, true... maybe we could do both... :) |
| 14:40:47 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: As long as something doesn't automatically blank the screen, thats good enough for me.... |
| 14:42:01 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: both is good, are you able to integrate my patch? |
| 14:42:33 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I haven't tried, but I will..... |
| 14:42:46 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 14:42:59 | CosmicPenguin | I think its time that we gathered all the patches together into 1 big clump, but thats Russ's domain, so I'll let him decide... |
| 14:43:20 | SpaceCoaster | good idea |
| 14:49:19 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Would you forward on my kernel hack to russ? |
| 14:49:28 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: I will |
| 14:50:06 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Cool. danke |
| 14:50:29 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, I'll build one big patch with everything applied, and then when BZFlag, Russ and andersee are here, we'll figure out what to do.... |
| 14:50:49 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Oh my...sounds like a plan. :) |
| 14:51:00 | boris | i vote we also migrate to 2.4.12 :) |
| 14:53:47 | SpaceCoaster | boris: Russ did say something about a new kernel, 2.4.10 i think. |
| 14:54:31 | boris | yeah |
| 14:57:45 | CosmicPenguin | Does RMK have a patch for 2.4.10 yet?? |
| 15:00:19 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: tp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/source/kernel-patches/v2.4/ |
| 15:00:34 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I believe it was announced this morning |
| 15:00:55 | CosmicPenguin | Cool... i had no idea he was so close to the edge of development...... :) |
| 15:01:27 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: and heres the changelog -> http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/release-2.4.0.shtml |
| 15:02:00 | CosmicPenguin | Are we going to ultimately send our patches back to him for inclusion? |
| 15:02:24 | mallum | hmm, I guess so - maybe ask on the linux-arm list ? |
| 15:05:10 | RedBaron | boris: I've heard some problems with 2.4.11 and I dont know if they were all cleared up in 2.4.12 |
| 15:06:36 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: They should have been.... 2.4.11 was born dead and immediately deep sixed... |
| 15:18:11 | mallum | deep sixed ? |
| 15:19:06 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Yep - Linus killed it off almost immediately.... |
| 15:19:59 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Do you not have the expression "deep sixed" in England? |
| 15:21:37 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: no havn't heard before |
| 15:22:00 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: we'd just say 'f**cked' ;) |
| 15:22:31 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: It means to toss it into the ocean, presumably to get rid of it.... |
| 15:22:43 | CosmicPenguin | ie: "The mafia bosses deep sixed the union leader....." |
| 15:23:04 | mallum | concrete slippers ? |
| 15:29:07 | AlHazWork | a pine box. |
| 15:32:28 | SpaceCoaster | anyone tried to read the flash code from the internal ROM in the DSP? |
| 15:32:41 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I don't think so.... |
| 15:37:00 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: If we can read it then it should be full of clues. |
| 15:38:22 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I agree.... |
| 15:46:51 | CosmicPenguin | So, is anyone looking at improving the filter on the TS driver? |
| 15:46:58 | boodle | is away: lunch |
| 16:13:38 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: About 2.4.11, a guy I know had some serious problems with USB with it. From what I had heard, it was an error in the soft link filesystem code that made linus deep six it. |
| 16:14:33 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Thats what I heard..... anyway, the 2.4.10 ac series kicks ass, so I will just stick with that for the near future... |
| 16:14:58 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 16:19:16 | prpplague | anyone played with this thing - http://www.ceiva.com/ |
| 16:20:46 | RedBaron | prpplague: Hah. thats a funny concept. A picture frame connected to the internet. So how long till someone hacks one of those things and puts up random porn pictures for people to view when they wake up and look at their dresser. |
| 16:21:17 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: lol |
| 16:21:31 | RedBaron | *chuckle* |
| 16:22:20 | prpplague | its running a arm720t core with 16m ram and 32m flash |
| 16:22:27 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a pretty useless idea... its cool, but even I wouldn't buy one, and I'm geeky like that..... |
| 16:22:44 | RedBaron | Hmm. Not too bad of a setup. |
| 16:22:59 | RedBaron | I'm still trying to understand the marketing behind this though. |
| 16:23:03 | prpplague | i bought one off of ebay, should be here in a couple of days |
| 16:23:14 | RedBaron | cool |
| 16:23:15 | prpplague | RedBaron: don't, it'll make your head hurt |
| 16:23:24 | RedBaron | prpplague: hehe |
| 16:24:09 | RedBaron | prpplague: Whats the screen on it like? |
| 16:25:43 | prpplague | RedBaron: according to some specs its 1024x768 |
| 16:25:53 | RedBaron | prpplague: 32bpp? |
| 16:26:36 | prpplague | RedBaron: ya thats what the specs say, but i'm kinda liery of this doc |
| 16:26:51 | RedBaron | "Oh hey. It has Oprah's approval! hehehehe |
| 16:27:06 | AlHazWork | Oh, well, if it's good enough for Oprah . . . |
| 16:27:15 | RedBaron | prpplague: *nod* I'd hope it would be 32bpp since its supposed to be a picture display dealybob. |
| 16:27:26 | prpplague | does that mean she sat on it and it didn't break? |
| 16:27:30 | AlHazWork | prpplague: what'd it cost you on ebay? |
| 16:28:08 | CosmicPenguin | You know, I don't know many grandparents with a broadband connection........ |
| 16:28:17 | prpplague | i got mine for 139.95+sh, the ones on the web site are selling for $99 but they tack on $100+ for the service |
| 16:28:17 | RedBaron | <CosmicPenguin> You know, I don't know many grandparents with a broadband |
| 16:28:28 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: what? You mean you're not willing to set one up for your grandparents and remotely administer it? |
| 16:28:28 | RedBaron | Doh |
| 16:28:38 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: and provide free 24 hour tech support? |
| 16:29:05 | CosmicPenguin | I love my grandmother to death, but she can barely run the CD player we got her for Christmas..... :) |
| 16:30:40 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: My grandma just recently started trying to do email. But she cant stand it. She cant stand writing her snail mails in Word. Says its so much easier to use her erase tape on her typewriter. |
| 16:32:54 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know how many people here do embedded work - but these are exactly the types of devices we are seeing contracts for these days |
| 16:33:15 | CosmicPenguin | Its like.... "Thanks for the contract, but are you aware you aren't going to sell more than a half a dozen of these things?" |
| 16:33:39 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Hmm. Interesting. |
| 16:34:31 | CosmicPenguin | And, unfortunately, some very smart people are losing their jobs when they realize that they are not going to sell half a million units the first year.... |
| 16:44:11 | boodle | is back (gone 00:57:05) |
| 16:50:17 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:04:23 | prpplague | argh, I HATE THE PHONE COMPANY |
| 17:13:19 | sammy | BZFlag : I want to order it ,but still have question with package ? |
| 17:13:43 | pattieja | prpplague: It's OK. Take a deep breath.... breathe |
| 17:15:26 | RedBaron | prpplague does have a point. The phone companies are some of the worst in existance. |
| 17:15:45 | RedBaron | And I dont even care what prpplague's beef with them is. :) |
| 17:24:22 | pattieja | I find it rather funny that the phone company sends out a mass mailing to all their customers stating that there is a discount for DSL service for those employees of the phone company or retirees of the phone company, and you have to sign-up for the discount on the web, yet the website doesn't work. And there are no DNS records for the URL they have in their mailing |
| 17:26:20 | Russ|werk | maybe its a scan |
| 17:26:24 | Russ|werk | er, scam |
| 17:27:17 | pattieja | it certainly looks official |
| 17:27:32 | SpaceCoaster | pattieja: careful we might infer that you work for a phone company or used to? |
| 17:27:35 | pattieja | and it'll drop the price by 40% per month |
| 17:27:43 | pattieja | SpaceCoaster: my father does |
| 17:28:14 | SpaceCoaster | pattieja: just hope it skips a generation:-) |
| 17:29:39 | BZFlag | sammy: sup? |
| 17:29:41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i don't how some of the sales people dream up these projects |
| 17:30:54 | prpplague | RedBaron: trying to get a 10 dlci frame relay circuit up, southern bell has had 9months to get this circuits ready, and they still fscked it up |
| 17:30:57 | andersee | BZFlag: hey man |
| 17:31:19 | andersee | hows it going? |
| 17:31:43 | Russ|werk | prpplague: lot of scam emails for people to enter their credit card etc |
| 17:32:51 | SpaceCoaster | Russ|werk: nah, criminals can make websites work, this is the phone company |
| 17:34:07 | BZFlag | catching up on weekend email. |
| 17:34:15 | RedBaron | <prpplague> RedBaron: trying to get a 10 dlci frame relay circuit up, southern |
| 17:34:21 | RedBaron | prpplague: Urf |
| 17:34:22 | BZFlag | got my previously non-working ts running mw now. ;-) |
| 17:34:31 | andersee | me too |
| 17:34:34 | prpplague | it doesn't help that the NOC personel seem to know as much as RedBaron's grandma |
| 17:34:42 | andersee | all hail the might SapceCoaster |
| 17:34:44 | RedBaron | prpplague: Sounds like standard baby bell practice. |
| 17:34:48 | sammy | shXX , I just sign up paypal , but my netscape is close ... |
| 17:36:31 | sammy | I don't see any massage , what I am doing right or wrong ? |
| 17:37:13 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: thanks, onto the DSP, do you think trial and error will work on that too? |
| 17:37:18 | sammy | BZFlag : should I still e-mail to you and tell how many I want to buy ? |
| 17:37:40 | RedBaron | prpplague: I knew a few guys who had a small network company that contracted building networks for other companies. They had a T1 (thats it) to their office. They wanted to move offices and decided to go with some 3rd party company for the T1 instead USWest. So they did so. And USWest wouldnt get the T1 lines setup for this 3rd party company. For over 6 months. Then my friends get a call from USWest saying they could have a T1 in to their n |
| 17:37:41 | prpplague | me - "why did you assign these dlci numbers, they seem to a little odd?", NOC - "ohh they just look pretty when you configure the frame switch..." |
| 17:37:53 | sammy | BZFlag : or just tell you here? |
| 17:38:57 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: Well, I think we can probably make the DSP go with a bit of poking. I have no plans to reprogram the thing though... That sounds too painful |
| 17:39:14 | BZFlag | sammy: payment via paypal? if so just put address, unit count and flashunlock (if any) in the comments. |
| 17:39:33 | prpplague | RedBaron: intermedia is the best in the nation, if you contract with them to get some circuits installed, they get it done, and their NOC is really good |
| 17:40:08 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: but it would be interesting to how these things work, never touched them before, are they really magic? |
| 17:42:21 | sammy | BZFlag : about the flashunlock , I have see about it on wiki page , is that hard to that ? |
| 17:42:38 | sammy | BZFlag: should I really need to do that ? |
| 17:44:14 | BZFlag | sammy: it's not hard if you have done hardware work before. There have been a few people that did it wrond and fried thier phones though. If you feel comfortable with hardware work, don't worry about it, just be careful. |
| 17:44:28 | BZFlag | s/wrond/wrong/ |
| 17:45:23 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: they are magic to me... :) |
| 17:46:03 | sammy | BZFlag : something wrong happen , is that any way to get it back ? |
| 17:46:04 | RedBaron | Bzflag or andersee. On the website are their pictures of the wheaties module with the RF shield pulled off? Tonight I'm going to pull off my wheaties module since I dont care about the DSP. I'm making my tux mobile and want to cut down on power use. |
| 17:46:46 | andersee | BZ, I'll defer that one to you... |
| 17:48:33 | sammy | BZFlag : can you list in one package what inside at all ? |
| 18:04:10 | BZFlag | sammy: when I ship international I include a US Customs export form and a copy of the invoice on the outside of the box. |
| 18:04:38 | BZFlag | sammy: if you mess up on the FlashUnlock it is possible to damage the phone so that is will no longer work. |
| 18:05:29 | BZFlag | RedBaron: is there a question there? I pulled off the shield on a dead phone (well a dead io board from cworth's phone to be exact) |
| 18:06:13 | andersee | goes off to the public library |
| 18:06:20 | BZFlag | I keep meaning to try removing the board, but have not gotten back to it. It will be quite difficult as the board had like 40 solder points on one header. |
| 18:06:51 | sammy | sxxt again , BZFlag :about sign paypal , which country should I choose ? |
| 18:06:59 | BZFlag | RedBaron: so it is likely that you will damage the board getting the DSP off. |
| 18:07:25 | prpplague | BZFlag:hmm, lots of soldering braid, or soldersucker |
| 18:07:27 | BZFlag | sammy: for? I'm in USA, you are south korea, right? |
| 18:07:40 | BZFlag | prpplague: possible, yes. easy? no. |
| 18:08:04 | BZFlag | I've got a decent solder sucker I tried with, but no success yet. |
| 18:08:04 | prpplague | BZFlag: easy? no, fun? tons |
| 18:08:13 | BZFlag | prpplague: hehem perhaps. |
| 18:08:19 | sammy | nope taiwan ? |
| 18:08:29 | BZFlag | sammy: ok. usa -> taiwan. |
| 18:08:36 | sammy | but it's not on the choose |
| 18:08:39 | prpplague | BZFlag: which item are you trying to remove? |
| 18:08:56 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Hrm. I got the impression from GPSFan that it was just plugged in. And someone else thought there werent pictures on the website of the wheaties module. |
| 18:09:04 | sammy | in sign page ...strange ? |
| 18:09:16 | scanline | is back (gone 01:18:59) |
| 18:09:25 | BZFlag | prpplague: RedBaron is considering removing the DSP daughter board under the RF shield. |
| 18:09:33 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:09:39 | BZFlag | sammy: what page? |
| 18:09:50 | sammy | sign page. |
| 18:10:26 | BZFlag | https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_international-register has taiwan |
| 18:11:17 | BZFlag | RedBaron: nope. the io board is plugged in, the dsp card is soldered. |
| 18:11:28 | sammy | yes , but in country what should I choose ? |
| 18:11:37 | BZFlag | taiwan? |
| 18:11:59 | BZFlag | sammy: oh! |
| 18:12:01 | sammy | don't have that choose ... |
| 18:12:07 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Doh. okay. bummer. well I'm glad you told me that before I went to the trouble to desolder the RF sheild. :) |
| 18:12:18 | BZFlag | sammy: I see. you have that choice for citizen, but not location. hmmm. |
| 18:12:27 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya , just looked, that dsp board doesn't look like fun to remove |
| 18:13:32 | RedBaron | Oh well..Does anyone know if its possible to power that thing down by software? or even a part of it? |
| 18:13:53 | sammy | yes the citizen I have choose , but when I submit it still need me to choose a country ? |
| 18:14:38 | BZFlag | sammy: hmmm... it looks like they might not offer accounts to people in taiwan. |
| 18:14:58 | BZFlag | You can mail me a bank draft in USD if you like. |
| 18:15:14 | sammy | XXIT....how can I do now ? |
| 18:15:16 | BZFlag | RedBaron: not yet, no. |
| 18:15:34 | BZFlag | sammy: bank draft in USD? |
| 18:15:42 | prpplague | RedBaron: i'm looking at some of the traces, you should be possible to cut the power to the module |
| 18:16:03 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Okay. thanks |
| 18:16:26 | RedBaron | prpplague: Hrm. That doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling to contemplate that. :) |
| 18:16:50 | sammy | ohhh...... |
| 18:17:04 | prpplague | RedBaron: why? its better that overheating your board trying to de-solder it |
| 18:17:11 | prpplague | s/that/than |
| 18:17:14 | sammy | is check about the page(TimRiker) |
| 18:17:36 | RedBaron | prpplague: I didnt realize it was soldered in. I'm not going to try to desolder it. |
| 18:18:15 | prpplague | RedBaron: ah, you could take a big pair of dikes and destroy the DSP board... |
| 18:18:41 | prpplague | RedBaron: nothing like brut force... |
| 18:19:02 | RedBaron | prpplague: *chuckle* I suppose. I didnt want to break anything though. Just unplug. :) |
| 18:20:23 | prpplague | RedBaron: if it were me, i'd just find a good stretch of trace and cut it, then if you want it back just create a small solder bridge |
| 18:21:36 | RedBaron | prpplague: Yah. I guess that wouldnt be too bad. |
| 18:23:58 | sammy | BZFlag : fist time ust this , how to calc if 5 , is that 17'1 -> $38 X 2 + 7'13 -> $25 x1 or 41'14 ->$69 , which one ? |
| 18:25:32 | BZFlag | the first ones. 2*17'1 + 1*7'13 cost. |
| 18:26:15 | sammy | use Economy(surface) Parcel Post ? |
| 18:26:35 | BZFlag | sammy: whichever you like. note the shipping times though. |
| 18:26:52 | BZFlag | Economy will take a lloonngg time. ;-) |
| 18:28:15 | prpplague | RedBaron: if you'd like i can do some looking this evening on the board and see where a good spot might be |
| 18:28:57 | RedBaron | prpplague: That would be great. thanks |
| 18:30:01 | sammy | but if I use Global Express Guaranteed Document Service , My god , cost $116 more expensive then Tux .... |
| 18:31:43 | sammy | BZFlag : ok , now a last one question , how to sent $ to you ? |
| 18:35:21 | BZFlag | sammy: most international folk have used either Airmail Parcel Post or Global Express Mail. |
| 18:35:50 | RedBaron | prpplague: My EE skills are rather limited. :) I can do basic stuff, but not when it comes to PCB's. |
| 18:35:57 | BZFlag | sammy: mail me a bank draft or money order in USD to the US address on the wiki page. |
| 18:36:27 | BZFlag | off to work.... |
| 18:36:32 | prpplague | RedBaron: i'm just a back room hack, no formal education, lots experience bastardizing electronic equipment |
| 18:38:42 | RedBaron | prpplague: *nod* I'm just a software geek who has had a class or two in high school and college. With not much experience. |
| 18:45:01 | prpplague | has been on conference call with bellsouth for 2 hours 52 minutes |
| 18:45:25 | pattieja | that's amazing prpplague; want us to call guinness? |
| 18:45:28 | pattieja | :) |
| 18:49:55 | GPSFan | RedBaron: Sorry I led you astray, I hadn't gotten arround to taking off the shield untill a few minutes ago, and I assumed :>( it was plug in like the I/O board, the pix ont wiki weren't too clear. |
| 18:50:59 | prpplague | pattieja: when its all over it will far longer |
| 18:52:04 | prpplague | pattieja: we've got 10 dlci and they've not gotten one working yet |
| 18:52:18 | pattieja | what's dlci? |
| 18:53:49 | prpplague | pattieja: a virtual circuit identifier |
| 18:58:00 | RedBaron | GPSFan: No problem. At least I found out about it before I fired up the solder iron. :) |
| 19:30:34 | AlHazWork | http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/skid.jpg <-- Picture of the skid marks made by my car last week when i was foolish enough to believe that a green light gave me right of way to cross the path of Royalty |
| 19:33:02 | Russ|werk | who's royalty |
| 19:35:04 | AlHazWork | Russ: Anyone in an SUV |
| 19:35:52 | Russ|werk | ah |
| 19:36:01 | AlHazWork | It was white with gold trim |
| 19:36:04 | AlHazWork | probably an oldsmobile |
| 19:36:11 | AlHazWork | didn't even slow down |
| 19:47:00 | Russ|werk | fun! |
| 19:48:20 | AlHazWork | in retrospect, had they slowed down, I would have hit them |
| 19:48:29 | AlHazWork | since i missed the rear bumper by about a quarter of an inch |
| 19:58:02 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:58:16 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 20:10:59 | RedBaron | w |
| 20:15:53 | signal11 | doh |
| 20:41:02 | prpplague | has now been on the conference call with bellsouth for 4 hours 46 minutes |
| 20:43:12 | Russ|werk | wheee |
| 20:44:56 | SpaceCoaster | why? |
| 20:45:16 | Russ|werk | "* prpplague has now been on the conference call with bellsouth for 4 hours 46 minutes" |
| 20:46:02 | pattieja | calling guinness... :) |
| 20:51:31 | AlHazWork | I know a guy who fell asleep on hold with @Home support |
| 20:51:42 | AlHazWork | and woke up 8 hours later still on hold |
| 20:51:45 | ctr | hey all |
| 20:52:10 | Russ|werk | "your call is important to us, please stay on the line" |
| 20:52:16 | Russ|werk | ack! I lost my dhcp lease |
| 20:53:41 | Russ|werk | er, its just opn. ok |
| 21:02:47 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Is that because they went bankrupt why he was on the phone with them??? :) |
| 21:06:19 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: heh, no, this was over a year ago |
| 21:06:30 | AlHazWork | it was because they couldn't understand the question, prolly |
| 21:06:37 | AlHazWork | something wrong with their dns servers |
| 21:06:55 | AlHazWork | night shift support guy says "we don't maintain the dns servers, there are only like five in the world" |
| 21:07:07 | AlHazWork | and it went downhill from there |
| 21:10:23 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: to which your reply is, ok, I maintain one of them and your info is wrong. |
| 21:10:58 | scanline | I'm doing the graphics for the touchscreen calibrator. Are there any good logo graphics I should incorporate into the background? |
| 21:12:11 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: what are you guys using for the LPP? |
| 21:12:25 | BZFlag | scanline: no. small is best. ;-) |
| 21:12:53 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: GoRK made a progress bar with the same penguin that's on the web page |
| 21:12:57 | BZFlag | unless the graphic is external, then you can provide a small one and a pretty one. |
| 21:13:17 | scanline | BZFlag: Well, it doesn't have compression yet so the small one and pretty one would be the same size |
| 21:13:44 | scanline | thinks... |
| 21:13:46 | scanline | never mind |
| 21:13:53 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: You could bail on the font and have the instructions as part of the image..... |
| 21:14:05 | scanline | That's what I've been planning on |
| 21:14:17 | scanline | the video code only has 'clear screen' and 'bitmap' primitives |
| 21:14:27 | scanline | all the video code is < 300 lines |
| 21:14:39 | scanline | and it can load bitmaps from palettized .BMP files |
| 21:14:54 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: .BMP?? argh... |
| 21:15:18 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: it supports palettes, and is much simpler to read than jpeg |
| 21:15:30 | scanline | I know the format is very badly designed |
| 21:15:33 | AlHazWork | eesh, bmp, use png man . . . |
| 21:15:49 | CosmicPenguin | PNG will need an external library |
| 21:15:50 | BZFlag | scanline: then just exec gunzip to uncompress the image. |
| 21:16:00 | scanline | BZFlag: Ah, good idea! |
| 21:16:03 | CosmicPenguin | I don't like BMP, but thats the only way to do it.... |
| 21:16:17 | CosmicPenguin | Unless you use gunzip and XPM... :) |
| 21:16:22 | scanline | I could have used PCX, but I already had code from PicoGUI to read BMP |
| 21:16:28 | scanline | XPM is ugly |
| 21:16:29 | BZFlag | scanline: much better to use uncompressed PNG with palette. |
| 21:16:50 | CosmicPenguin | XPM is better than .BMP? Hell, you can have the .GIF code from MW if you want.... |
| 21:16:57 | BZFlag | easy tag format, no library required. |
| 21:16:58 | scanline | BZFlag: that would require a PNG library |
| 21:17:09 | scanline | ah |
| 21:17:18 | BZFlag | not if you only handle palette format and uncompressed. |
| 21:17:37 | scanline | well, I already have the .bmp stuff working |
| 21:17:49 | scanline | I just ripped the .bmp loader from picogui and modified a bit |
| 21:17:55 | scanline | well, modified a lot |
| 21:18:23 | BZFlag | well, picogui needs a uncompressed png loader too. ;-) |
| 21:18:28 | scanline | yeah |
| 21:19:05 | scanline | but I have HTML parsing code to write ;) |
| 21:19:22 | scanline | I just thought I'd give this GUI-neutral calibrator app a jumpstart |
| 21:19:39 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Could use some uncompressed PNG support in Microwindows as well.... |
| 21:20:02 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: Does microwindows load image files on the server side too? |
| 21:20:24 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: For the moment.... |
| 21:20:31 | scanline | why is that bad? |
| 21:21:11 | CosmicPenguin | It limits us considerably....... I want to move all image processing to the client side.... |
| 21:22:20 | CosmicPenguin | But I compromised - We can read images from the client side, but the server still has to process the bits.... |
| 21:23:22 | scanline | that's how PicoGUI does it |
| 21:23:51 | scanline | pgNewBitmap will accept bits from memory or file, send 'em to the server. The server figures out how to convert them into a device-dependant bitmap |
| 21:25:14 | scanline | wonders why scalable fonts aren't appearing in GIMP... |
| 21:26:05 | AlHazWork | I'd guess patent issues, but i don't know anything |
| 21:28:43 | AlHazWork | just because the image manipulation market is riddled with silly patents |
| 21:28:54 | scanline | yep... like GIF ;) |
| 21:29:23 | CosmicPenguin | Hasn't GIF expired? Or is that next year? |
| 21:29:49 | scanline | GIF as a format has expired, IMHO |
| 21:30:15 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Only on the open source planet.... |
| 21:30:55 | scanline | yeah. At some point in the development of this web browser we're going to need a GIF loader |
| 21:31:01 | scanline | and PNG for that matter |
| 21:31:13 | AlHazWork | good old unisys |
| 21:32:10 | scanline | this touchscreen calibrator will be small and still look pretty nifty |
| 21:32:48 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 21:33:25 | AlHazWork | Evenin |
| 21:33:36 | as_ | Alhaz :] |
| 21:34:08 | AlHazWork | as_: http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/skid.jpg |
| 21:34:18 | AlHazWork | as_: did i mention the accident i narrowly averted last week? |
| 21:34:35 | as_ | You didnt. |
| 21:35:04 | AlHazWork | as_: Some member of the royal family (You know, they drive around in those fancied-up jeeps) sailed right through a red light in front of me |
| 21:35:07 | as_ | At least no while I was around. |
| 21:35:23 | as_ | Yikes, lol. |
| 21:35:33 | AlHazWork | as_: Note the skid marks that go from one cross walk to the other |
| 21:36:24 | as_ | Our royals dont do things like that ;] |
| 21:36:35 | as_ | I doubt they can actually drive to be honest. |
| 21:36:47 | AlHazWork | I was probably going about 50, my car has really cheap tires |
| 21:38:08 | AlHazWork | random generic brand I've never seen advertised, with polyester tread |
| 21:38:16 | ctr | fuck |
| 21:38:21 | ctr | is once again out of work |
| 21:39:09 | AlHazWork | ctr: layoffs? |
| 21:39:27 | ctr | nah |
| 21:39:28 | AlHazWork | I know a guy who just picked up and moved to kansas city to work for Sprint |
| 21:39:32 | AlHazWork | he's prolly SOL |
| 21:39:33 | ctr | the company just disolved today |
| 21:39:38 | AlHazWork | oof |
| 21:39:43 | ctr | i just found out |
| 21:39:48 | AlHazWork | what company? |
| 21:40:00 | ctr | i'm not sure if i am allowed to say anything yet |
| 21:40:04 | AlHazWork | ok |
| 21:40:11 | ctr | so i'll let you know in a short while |
| 21:40:16 | ctr | (ie a few days) |
| 21:40:28 | AlHazWork | as_: oh, that picture is 3 days after the fact |
| 21:40:43 | AlHazWork | they were probably much darker the day it happened, it's rained since then |
| 21:40:56 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 21:41:48 | as_ | I should have thought youd be too shaken on the day. |
| 21:41:54 | as_ | I had a nasty crash once. |
| 21:43:22 | AlHazWork | Only crash I've been in was sorta minor, but both cars were essentially totaled, beaters to begin with. When a car has $2000 damage and is worth $1000 at most . . . |
| 21:43:52 | AlHazWork | But yeah, I didn't even look at that square of road again until this morning, tho i drive over it twice a day on average |
| 21:48:40 | AlHazWork | hmm, rudy guiliani is now sir rudy guiliani |
| 21:49:06 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: They elected him king of New York? |
| 21:52:59 | CosmicPenguin | Wow.... QT 3.0 now works on Mac OS X.... |
| 21:53:36 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: The Queen of some island nation off the coast of france knighted him |
| 21:55:01 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm... thats kinda like when a tiny country in Africa releases a stamp in your honor..... |
| 21:55:37 | prpplague | after 5 hours 59 minutes, bellsouth has admitted to a problem on the frame relay circuit, Woohoo |
| 21:55:49 | AlHazWork | http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/10/15/gen.guiliani.knighthood/index.html |
| 21:56:10 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: You still around? |
| 22:03:55 | cdm | what happened to the webpage? |
| 22:04:09 | cdm | seems to be gone. |
| 22:05:15 | AlHazWork | hmm, if i try it as tuxscreen.sourceforge.net it works |
| 22:05:20 | AlHazWork | but not as www.tuxscreen.net |
| 22:05:36 | cdm | lemme try that. |
| 22:05:38 | CosmicPenguin | Doh! Did we only get a 3 month subscrption? |
| 22:07:18 | cdm | so what do I do to buy one? |
| 22:07:19 | BZFlag | SF problem... |
| 22:08:03 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: I mean on the DNS... It was kinda a joke... :) |
| 22:08:11 | CosmicPenguin | Since there are only 5 of them..... :) |
| 22:08:22 | cdm | no, I mean it. It is not obvious how to buy one. ;) |
| 22:08:47 | cdm | do I just transfer the money or what? |
| 22:10:06 | BZFlag | cdm: paypal account? do a "Send Money" to Sales@TuxScreen.net and add shipping cost. order details in the comments section. |
| 22:10:29 | cdm | BZFlag: okie dokie. |
| 22:10:33 | BZFlag | http://tuxscreen.sourceforge.net/wiki/view/Users/TimRiker |
| 22:10:58 | BZFlag | $15 to ship one to US, $25 for two or there abouts. |
| 22:12:28 | cdm | 15.45 to my zip. ;) |
| 22:15:00 | BZFlag | SF is looking into it. |
| 22:15:17 | BZFlag | cdm: $15.45 for one or two? |
| 22:17:05 | cdm | BZFlag: That is for one, 17Lbs, 1 Oz. |
| 22:17:13 | cdm | BZFlag: Money transfered! |
| 22:17:39 | cdm | this paypal thing is pretty nice. |
| 22:21:39 | BZFlag | try http://TuxScreen.net/ now. (and if you are getting a cached page, try http://TuxScreen.net/download/ or some similar url. |
| 22:22:01 | BZFlag | cdm... 17lbs 1oz is the weight of two. |
| 22:22:13 | BZFlag | one is 8'13" or so. |
| 22:23:26 | cdm | ah! Well, you get a bonus then. ;) |
| 22:23:41 | BZFlag | gee, thanx! ;-) |
| 22:23:50 | cdm | uh-huh. :) |
| 22:26:30 | cdm | http://qnx.wox.org/qnxscreen/ |
| 22:27:22 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Is that your projeft? |
| 22:27:28 | BZFlag | cdm cool. Note that the code name is Shannon if it bothers you calling it a TuxScreen. ;-) |
| 22:27:36 | cdm | nah. |
| 22:27:42 | cdm | everyone else calls it TuxScreen. |
| 22:27:48 | cdm | it's all good. |
| 22:28:03 | BZFlag | is hacking up a new larger logo... |
| 22:31:04 | cdm | someone is asking me about the phone - has anyone been able to talk to the DSP board? |
| 22:31:14 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: nope |
| 22:31:33 | cdm | anyone tried? ;) |
| 22:31:41 | cdm | it would be neat to have caller-id and stuff. |
| 22:32:17 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Now that we've killed off the touchscreen problems, I would assume the DSP would be the next thing |
| 22:32:41 | cdm | cool. What touchscreen problems? Just trying to get it right? |
| 22:33:05 | CosmicPenguin | Up until about 48 hours ago, 80% of the touchscreens did not work at all |
| 22:33:20 | cdm | wow. What is the missing link? |
| 22:34:18 | CosmicPenguin | We needed to reset the codec to talk to the UCB1200 chip.... |
| 22:34:27 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster was the man, he figured it all out.... :) |
| 22:39:37 | cdm | sweet. |
| 22:40:44 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Have you ever done any work with the Audrey? |
| 22:41:07 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: Offical work you mean? |
| 22:41:41 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Nah, hacking |
| 22:41:59 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: it's been nailed? |
| 22:42:12 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Yep |
| 22:42:24 | CosmicPenguin | Or wait, what are you talking about? |
| 22:42:26 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: we all owe SpaceCoaster a beer :) |
| 22:42:33 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: Ah, no. Hard to do it when you work @ the company that did all the low-level stuff on contact. ;) |
| 22:42:37 | cdm | contract even. |
| 22:42:39 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: touch screen |
| 22:42:49 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Ahhh..... NDA fun and games.... |
| 22:42:56 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Yep, its nailed.... |
| 22:43:05 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: w000h000 |
| 22:43:06 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Tis sad.... :( |
| 22:43:19 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: so was it a one liner? |
| 22:43:40 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Yep..... Two liner if you count SpaceCoaster flashing the message light in triumph.... |
| 22:43:51 | ctr | w000h000 |
| 22:44:01 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: hrmm that rocks :) |
| 22:44:07 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: i need to learn this stuff |
| 22:44:13 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: If 3COM disolves I can help a lot. ;) Trying to get Linux on it or something silly? ;) |
| 22:46:14 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Some people are...... |
| 22:46:39 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: I know - I hang out in #Audrey. |
| 22:47:15 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Thats a bit sadistic.... :) The guy who knows all the answers but can't tell anyone.... |
| 22:47:37 | cdm | :) I help people with general QNX stuff. |
| 22:48:20 | ctr | what would happen if you were to leak the infomation by mistake? |
| 22:48:22 | cdm | the reality is they have everything they need to run a wonderful embedded OS. They could even run XFree86 if they wanted. |
| 22:48:32 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Thats never good...... |
| 22:49:05 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Evil corporations or not, you can't leak NDA stuff..... But you can bring the evil corporations down from the inside... :-) |
| 22:49:31 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: which corp. is evil? ;) |
| 22:49:54 | CosmicPenguin | 3Com in this case.... |
| 22:50:02 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: The biggest issue is that there isn't even anyone @ 3COM to ask about this anymore. |
| 22:50:23 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: so it would be a simple "no, we aren't giving away our assets for free" answer. |
| 22:50:30 | AlHazWork | but they'll be Mad as Hell if any of the secrets get out |
| 22:50:39 | CosmicPenguin | Same as Phillips / Lucent..... |
| 22:51:07 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: Although, the head of the Audrey project now works @ QNX and even has all the schems/pcb info. ;) |
| 22:51:29 | ctr | cdm: do you work for 3com or qnx? |
| 22:51:31 | DrXenon | works at QNX in Ottawa, Canada? |
| 22:51:33 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: But QNX already had all of that stuff anyway? |
| 22:51:54 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: Probably not all of it no. |
| 22:51:56 | cdm | ctr: QNX. |
| 22:52:19 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: Really? When we do a job we demand everything we can get our hands on.... |
| 22:52:20 | cdm | DrXenon: QNX is in Ottawa, but I am working from New Mexico while my wife does her PhD. |
| 22:52:21 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 22:52:33 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: it would have depended on what we needed. |
| 22:52:54 | cdm | CosmicPenguin: and what we had to give back at the end. ;) |
| 22:53:10 | CosmicPenguin | cdm: true |
| 22:53:27 | cdm | Although QNX does have many of the original prototype units. ;) |
| 22:53:34 | cdm | bbiab |
| 22:54:22 | DrXenon | hee. i can bike to qnx ottawa in about 5 minutes. wife is doing phd in chaos theory? |
| 22:59:06 | GoRK | greetings |
| 22:59:33 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Did you ever figure out where to stick the LPP patch? |
| 22:59:47 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: yeah i talked to andersee |
| 23:00:19 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: the thing about LPP is that it requires some large changes to the init scripts |
| 23:00:27 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Yep |
| 23:01:09 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: the problem is that there wasnt a mechanism for changing that in the buildroot, but he just wants me to make a diff to the files, so taht's what im gonna do |
| 23:01:22 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: did you check out the binary image with LPP/picogui? |
| 23:01:47 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Didn't get a chance to today.... perhaps tommorrow |
| 23:02:17 | prpplague | night all |
| 23:02:25 | CosmicPenguin | You should stick the kernel patch for LPP up there anyway.... that way I don't have to wait for andersee |
| 23:02:50 | GoRK | yeah i just thought of that.. and since i dont have to change that patch for anything ill go ahead and up it |
| 23:02:58 | CosmicPenguin | Cool.... |
| 23:03:18 | CosmicPenguin | I've gotta run, but I'll try that out tomorrow morning... |
| 23:03:19 | CosmicPenguin | bye! |
| 23:03:25 | GoRK | it's going up there now |
| 23:13:50 | ctr | ok |
| 23:13:51 | ctr | bbl |
| 23:13:55 | ctr | i need to sleep :) |
| 23:27:24 | cdm | back |
| 23:29:15 | cdm | |
| 23:29:17 | cdm | err. |
| 23:29:23 | cdm | that is better. |
