| 00:02:35 | BZFlag | 115200 or 9600 ? ;-) |
| 00:15:57 | RedBaron | 115200 |
| 00:17:02 | RedBaron | I did 9600 first and got garbage. At first glance I wasnt so happy about that. :) until I thought 'oh, 115200' |
| 00:24:57 | BZFlag | cool and you used the one in 0.4? I should add that comment to the README. |
| 00:25:28 | RedBaron | Yah. v0.4. I just found that Eric Adles added a comment at the end of the installinglinux page on the wiki. |
| 00:25:36 | RedBaron | about it being 115200 |
| 00:28:32 | BZFlag | yep. I added it to the readme as well. thanx! |
| 00:29:15 | RedBaron | No prob :) |
| 00:32:39 | RedBaron | Yeesh. I dont think I'd like to wait for a rootfs xfer over 9600. 115200 is long enough. |
| 00:41:07 | BZFlag | heh, download speed was always 115200, just console speed is 9600 in normal blob. |
| 00:41:29 | BZFlag | 230400 should work too if you have a pc that supports it. |
| 00:41:30 | RedBaron | *nod* Yah. But it got me thinking of the good ol' days of analog modems. :/ |
| 00:41:36 | BZFlag | heh |
| 00:42:27 | RedBaron | Hrm. I loaded the microwindows root in v0.4 and it started up with the calibrate the touchscreen like the inferno software. But it just sits there. doesnt accept screen touchs |
| 00:43:24 | RedBaron | the login on the serial port is fine and dandy though |
| 00:44:57 | BZFlag | you probably have one of the non-working-under-linux touchscreens. |
| 00:45:06 | RedBaron | woohoo. fun |
| 00:45:13 | BZFlag | we still have a driver issue that has to be found. |
| 00:45:17 | RedBaron | *nod* |
| 00:45:27 | BZFlag | I have one of each |
| 00:45:28 | RedBaron | Should the screen be in black and white? |
| 00:45:36 | BZFlag | no. 8 bit color. |
| 00:45:54 | BZFlag | don't know what the bootup microwindows screen looks like though. |
| 00:45:59 | BZFlag | it might be bw |
| 00:46:12 | RedBaron | It just has two colors on it..so I cant tell what mode its in |
| 00:46:46 | BZFlag | ps to find the calb app and kill it? |
| 00:47:22 | RedBaron | Yah. hadnt got that far yet. was looking at other windows setups. |
| 00:47:28 | BZFlag | ok |
| 00:47:34 | RedBaron | its in color. |
| 00:47:55 | RedBaron | Now that the tuxcal program is gone I can see the root image and all |
| 00:48:28 | BZFlag | cool. I should really try microwindows out. |
| 00:49:29 | RedBaron | Has a nice picture of Tux on the root. :) |
| 00:51:50 | scanline | RedBaron: What file format is the tux image in? |
| 00:51:57 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: I got the CRC bit to set, yipeee |
| 00:53:11 | RedBaron | scanline: I'm not sure. Just a sec and I'll find out. |
| 00:53:17 | scanline | thanks |
| 00:53:33 | RedBaron | Wow. the tuxscreen boots fast |
| 00:53:42 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: this is the bit that we need to be set to fix the touchscreen problem |
| 00:54:17 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Ah you and CosmicPenguin have been working on touchscreen problem the last few days? |
| 00:54:57 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: you believe you have fixed the non-working phones? send RedBaron a kernel to test. ;-) |
| 00:55:04 | SpaceCoaster | yes, I went back to basics and wrote a one line driver which didn't work :-) |
| 00:55:14 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: haha |
| 00:55:24 | RedBaron | *chuckle* |
| 00:55:37 | RedBaron | scanline: Looks like its a .gif |
| 00:55:50 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: I was working on making the big red light flash on and off, does it do this under Linux? |
| 00:55:51 | scanline | haha |
| 00:56:18 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: no flashing light under Linux yet. needs the DSP to wake up. ;-) |
| 00:56:45 | SpaceCoaster | Well I can make it flash by writing to the GPIO bits on the SA-1100 |
| 00:57:31 | SpaceCoaster | In addition this does something to the UCB1200 and the CRC bit gets set. |
| 00:57:38 | BZFlag | really? I did not expect that. |
| 00:58:00 | SpaceCoaster | When I read the data the CRC bit clears just like it should. |
| 00:58:02 | BZFlag | If you can figure out what, we can go that early on in blob. |
| 00:58:16 | BZFlag | s/go/do/ |
| 00:58:53 | SpaceCoaster | Yeah, bit too excited at the moment, it's one of 28 bits, good old binary chop to find it. |
| 01:00:49 | BZFlag | Russ has a gio jtag app. you can toggle gpio pins one by one. |
| 01:01:38 | BZFlag | http://www.mailgate.org/comp/comp.os.inferno/msg00206.html |
| 01:04:08 | SpaceCoaster | gpio_wheaties ? |
| 01:04:54 | BZFlag | http://russ.dhs.org/jtagedit.html |
| 01:05:08 | BZFlag | wheaties appears to be the code name of the LucentDSP |
| 01:07:25 | RedBaron | Huh weird. Has anyone seen where using a command line on the console of the tuxscreen where the top couple of lines dont get cleared well? unless you run 'clear'. |
| 01:07:41 | RedBaron | programs like 'more' tend to loose the top couple of lines to this. |
| 01:07:56 | scanline | RedBaron: I've seen this. it's like the tux doesn't get turned off all the way |
| 01:08:04 | scanline | err... the tux logo for linux |
| 01:08:05 | BZFlag | RedBaron: yes. a symtom of the Penguin bootlogo. 'reset' should fix it. |
| 01:08:35 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: do you have jtagedit compiled up for arm? |
| 01:08:44 | BZFlag | reset, the command. not resetting the device. ;-) |
| 01:08:44 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Ah yeah. |
| 01:08:58 | RedBaron | Those darn boot logo's tend to do that. |
| 01:09:03 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: nope. ask Russ? |
| 01:09:14 | BZFlag | slaps Russ |
| 01:09:23 | | Russ was last seen on #tuxscreen 31 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Sat Oct 13 01:37:35 2001] |
| 01:09:23 | BZFlag | ibot: seen Russ |
| 01:09:28 | | Russ|werk was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 hours, 26 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: as2: go to astroglide.com and send him a free gift [Fri Oct 12 23:42:42 2001] |
| 01:09:28 | BZFlag | ibot: seen Russ|werk |
| 01:09:48 | RedBaron | BZFlag: I had forgotten about the boot logo's. havent used them since the first hacks to the kernel. |
| 01:10:29 | BZFlag | the new 2.4.8+ logo is cooler. ;-) |
| 01:14:34 | RedBaron | Anyone know if its possible to power off the touch screen by software? |
| 01:15:00 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: got an email from a guy in korea about netkit for the arm, must be your $1600 dollar postage chap |
| 01:16:33 | SpaceCoaster | s/1600/1300/ or something close |
| 01:17:03 | BZFlag | Perhaps... minix@... ? |
| 01:17:57 | cory | I dunno |
| 01:19:08 | cory | $1k+ postage? wow |
| 01:19:43 | BZFlag | cory: yep.. found out my paypal card only allowed $1k/day. I fixed that. ;-) |
| 01:19:49 | SpaceCoaster | yeah, BZFlag must have a dry mouth from all that stamp lickin |
| 01:20:13 | BZFlag | heh, nope. self stick labels are your friends |
| 01:20:22 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Did that include bribes for korean customs? :) |
| 01:20:39 | BZFlag | RedBaron: not yet. that will be thier problem ;-) |
| 01:20:48 | RedBaron | hehe |
| 01:21:18 | SpaceCoaster | funny thing is most of the parts probably left korea three years ago, what goes around... |
| 01:21:36 | BZFlag | at least we know they keyboards did, yeah. |
| 01:22:04 | BZFlag | boards, etc were made in mexico. |
| 01:22:39 | ctr | BZFlag: any more progress with the touchscreen |
| 01:24:06 | SpaceCoaster | ctr: possibly, I made the bit toggle that is stuck, but I don't know how yet |
| 01:24:17 | ctr | SpaceCoaster: k |
| 01:24:57 | ctr | SpaceCoaster: so once you know how to get the bit set, things are cool? |
| 01:26:05 | SpaceCoaster | maybe, it's the read bit for one of the chips, on our read challenged TuxScreens it doesn't get set, hence no reading, hence no touchscreens |
| 01:26:52 | SpaceCoaster | I made it set (and clear) whilst playing with flashing the big red light. |
| 01:27:25 | ctr | how easy is it to mess with the buttons and the lights? |
| 01:28:44 | SpaceCoaster | the light appears to use a GPIO bit on the chip, I want to put a /proc entry in to allow it to be toggled |
| 01:29:02 | ctr | cool |
| 01:29:14 | ctr | where about is this code |
| 01:29:18 | ctr | (so i can have a dig around) |
| 01:30:05 | SpaceCoaster | In the kernel - linux/driver/char/ucb1200_generic.c |
| 01:30:19 | ctr | k |
| 01:32:53 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: I also get a click from the speaker |
| 01:40:18 | Russ | hmm...how about I do the new nico patch.... |
| 01:46:13 | SpaceCoaster | yipee I just read the UCB1200 on a "broken" TuxScreen!!! |
| 01:46:57 | Russ | coo |
| 01:47:03 | Russ | we dropping the driver now |
| 01:47:19 | SpaceCoaster | Reset the codec appears to be the magic. |
| 01:47:47 | SpaceCoaster | GPIO pin 18, 0-->1 transition |
| 01:49:32 | Russ | k |
| 01:50:05 | SpaceCoaster | documented as gpio_codec_reset at http://www.mailgate.org/comp/comp.os.inferno/msg00206.html |
| 01:50:39 | SpaceCoaster | just about to put in in a kernel to fix the touchscreen, wanna wait for the champagne? |
| 01:50:54 | Russ | its documented the same way in shannon.h header |
| 01:51:17 | Russ | #define GPIO_CODEC_RESET GPIO_GPIO (18) /* out */ |
| 01:51:41 | SpaceCoaster | needs to be done! |
| 01:53:01 | Russ | importing kernel.... |
| 01:53:33 | RedBaron | Seeya guys |
| 01:57:48 | SpaceCoaster | MY TOUCHSCREEN WORKS, IT'S ALIVE, MY CREATURE LIVES |
| 01:58:39 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: WHOOO! what did you have to do? |
| 01:58:52 | SpaceCoaster | read the manual:-) |
| 01:59:20 | SpaceCoaster | reset the codec, using the GPIO_CODEC_RESET pin |
| 02:00:10 | SpaceCoaster | add the following lines just before /* initialize MCP */ in ucb1200_sa1100.c |
| 02:00:28 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: sounds like your the man of the hour... |
| 02:00:31 | SpaceCoaster | GPDR |= GPIO_GPIO18; |
| 02:00:37 | SpaceCoaster | GPCR = GPIO_GPIO18; |
| 02:00:43 | SpaceCoaster | GPSR = GPIO_GPIO18; |
| 02:01:51 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: WAS your screen broken too? |
| 02:02:41 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: :( , don't know, i've had so much work this week, all i've hate time to do is unlock the flash and load blob |
| 02:03:24 | SpaceCoaster | Well the odds appear to be 50/50 |
| 02:03:37 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: are you there? |
| 02:06:31 | prpplague | thats just oo cool SpaceCoaster, nothing like a success like that |
| 02:08:07 | SpaceCoaster | got panicky when other people started looking for it too:-) |
| 02:08:31 | prpplague | afraid someone else mught fix it first? |
| 02:08:38 | SpaceCoaster | gonna make it flash the big red light when it boots, to celebrate |
| 02:08:46 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:08:49 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: indeed |
| 02:09:21 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: thanks for sharing the moment |
| 02:23:57 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: http://www.abcsinc.com/tuxscreen/ |
| 02:25:20 | SpaceCoaster | thanks, why is everyone asleep when you want to show off, that's probably for the best:-) |
| 02:25:53 | SpaceCoaster | so go get yours working and join in the fun |
| 02:26:25 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:26:40 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: I met some Texans today, came to see our dead leaves |
| 02:27:23 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: headed home, sup? |
| 02:27:31 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: seemed like nice folks, didn't want to take any leaves with them, I offered, twice |
| 02:28:05 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: did you follow the trail of self congratulation? |
| 02:28:28 | BZFlag | nice! woohoo! |
| 02:28:53 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: who should I send the patch to? |
| 02:29:10 | BZFlag | tuxscreen-devel list from SF |
| 02:29:22 | BZFlag | andersee could merge it for ya. |
| 02:29:28 | BZFlag | I gotta run. congrats! |
| 02:29:33 | SpaceCoaster | k |
| 02:29:59 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: fixed the touchscreen! |
| 02:30:22 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: Wohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:30:31 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: What was the deal? |
| 02:31:03 | SpaceCoaster | turned out the codec needed to be reset, GPIO pin 18 does it, toggle lo/hi |
| 02:31:17 | SpaceCoaster | a three liner |
| 02:31:24 | andersee | Just a single toggle on bootup? |
| 02:31:29 | SpaceCoaster | yes |
| 02:31:47 | andersee | You _are_ the man! |
| 02:32:00 | SpaceCoaster | feels good, thanks |
| 02:32:06 | andersee | So I wonder why some worked and some didn't then? |
| 02:32:35 | andersee | Do some systems auto-reset or something? |
| 02:33:31 | SpaceCoaster | well they put a special pin in to reset this one chip, so... |
| 02:34:07 | andersee | Hmm |
| 02:34:18 | andersee | So where the patch? ;-) |
| 02:34:59 | SpaceCoaster | I'll post it to tuxscreen-devel in 5 minutes, can you try it? |
| 02:35:20 | andersee | Absolutely! |
| 02:35:56 | andersee | My sons asleep. My wife and daughter are falling asleep. So I'll have time. :) |
| 02:37:57 | SpaceCoaster | what is the address for tuxscreen-devel? |
| 02:38:48 | andersee | tuxscreen-devel@lists.sourceforge.net |
| 02:38:53 | SpaceCoaster | thanks |
| 02:39:31 | andersee | BTW, feel free to boast about your greatness in your email. :-) |
| 02:39:40 | andersee | This rocks |
| 02:40:01 | andersee | Next item on the todo list -- make tone dialing work. |
| 02:40:18 | SpaceCoaster | I got the speaker to click does that count? |
| 02:40:47 | andersee | close. :) I alse need to add device table symlink support into mkfs.jffs2 |
| 02:41:16 | andersee | Then we could lose the skel tarball |
| 02:42:09 | Russ | yes tmi? |
| 02:42:11 | Russ | er, tim? |
| 02:49:56 | andersee | Russ: he signed off a few ago |
| 02:50:07 | Russ | o |
| 02:50:27 | Russ | getting ready to merge 2.4.10-ac11-rmk1-np1 |
| 02:50:44 | prpplague | congrads SpaceCoaster, night all |
| 02:50:46 | andersee | Cool! And it looks like SpaceCoaster got the touchscreen fixed |
| 02:50:52 | prpplague | http://www.abcsinc.com/tuxscreen/ |
| 02:50:59 | andersee | I think we are in great shape |
| 02:54:19 | SpaceCoaster | hmm I get an envelope sender verification failed when I post to tuxscreen-devel, |
| 02:54:40 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: I sent it to you direct |
| 02:57:22 | andersee | I just got it. |
| 02:58:32 | GPSFan | Hi all, Congrat's SpaceCoaster |
| 02:59:00 | GPSFan | Anyone know anything about the PCMCIA RESET not working? |
| 02:59:10 | andersee | I know it doesn't work |
| 02:59:14 | andersee | :) |
| 03:00:25 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: btw: I think a big fat update to the top of the TouchScreen wiki page is now in order |
| 03:00:44 | GPSFan | I may have a clue. I've been putting a partial schematic together of the Card Present signals, and wandered into the RESET stuff. I found that the RESET pins on the PCMCIA are hooked up very much like on Brutus. |
| 03:01:01 | GPSFan | BUT!!! they are pulled down instead of up. |
| 03:01:31 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 03:01:45 | andersee | So we may need to pull out our soldering irons... |
| 03:02:14 | GPSFan | Looking at the board the 2 pull (UP) down resistors connect to ground on a bypass cap very close to VCC. It could be a layout error. |
| 03:02:36 | GPSFan | Assabet has pull ups too. |
| 03:03:04 | andersee | So if we cut the bad traces and add pull up resistors... |
| 03:03:45 | GPSFan | It looks like all if this is the problem all we need do is cut one small trace and then wire it to the other side of the bypass cap. |
| 03:04:06 | GPSFan | GPSFan is bufuddled a bit... |
| 03:06:16 | andersee | By the foolish design error? |
| 03:06:38 | GPSFan | andersee: by my poor typing skikks ;>( |
| 03:06:57 | andersee | i kant tipe etehr |
| 03:07:35 | GPSFan | andersee: are there any PCMCIA cards that are 5/3.3V and don't work? due to lack of reset? |
| 03:09:22 | andersee | I'm not certain |
| 03:09:43 | andersee | So far the effort has been on locating cards that do work. |
| 03:10:02 | GPSFan | andersee: reason I ask is that would allow a test. |
| 03:10:14 | andersee | Sure. But few people have been talking about the not-working cards... |
| 03:10:38 | andersee | But even in my phone, I get couldn't reset messages on insert |
| 03:11:03 | andersee | Just doesn't seem to bother the devices I've been using |
| 03:13:38 | GPSFan | there are 2 sources of reset, the reset chip IC801, and the tristating of IC402. The PCMCIA reset is supposed to be +true, so I would think that a pull down is appropriate, But Brutus & Assabet use pull ups. |
| 03:14:20 | GPSFan | Pin 6 of IC402 is the + true Reset output at power-on. |
| 03:15:51 | GPSFan | This is connected to a tristate buffer IC402 who's enable comes from a bunch of logic including outputs of the card detect circuits. |
| 03:16:34 | Aelhaz | So, folks figured out the touchscreen? |
| 03:17:09 | SpaceCoaster | AlHaz: yup |
| 03:17:16 | Aelhaz | how'd we come to a fix? |
| 03:17:35 | SpaceCoaster | I just updated the Touch Screen page on the wiki |
| 03:17:52 | Aelhaz | I caught the mail on the list |
| 03:18:38 | SpaceCoaster | aahh, it hasn't show up at geocrawler yet, crawler by name and nature |
| 03:19:01 | andersee | Aelhaz: I have the patch integrated into the buildroot. Just finished compiling -- flashing my non-working phone now... |
| 03:19:22 | Aelhaz | so, the ucb1200 driver just wasn't resetting the codec? |
| 03:19:25 | andersee | If this works, I'm going to be committing it in about 2 minutes |
| 03:19:33 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 03:19:47 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: I was trying to make the big red light flash and noticed that this tweaked the codec |
| 03:19:52 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 03:20:18 | SpaceCoaster | I configured all the GPIO as output an waggled them all up and down a bit |
| 03:20:43 | Aelhaz | Cool |
| 03:20:47 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: maybe you can take out my flashing lights bit, it's not quite what I intended |
| 03:21:34 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: did your touchscreen work? |
| 03:21:45 | andersee | Wohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:21:48 | andersee | It works! |
| 03:21:51 | andersee | ITs |
| 03:21:55 | andersee | ALIVE! |
| 03:22:01 | andersee | Muhahahahahaha! |
| 03:22:13 | andersee | Committing to CVS.... |
| 03:22:22 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: both of my touchscreens work. One of 'em seems to be flipped mirror-image, and upside-down, but it's probably that i just got the wrong kernel in there |
| 03:22:28 | andersee | God bless SpaceCoaster! |
| 03:22:47 | SpaceCoaster | Yea mine is flipped as well. |
| 03:23:10 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: well thanks |
| 03:24:42 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: the flipped x/y is sortof fun, spent 5 mins chasing the cursor |
| 03:25:22 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: I've become pretty good at operating the pointer upside-down and backwards |
| 03:25:54 | andersee | Ok. The touchscreen patch is now in CVS |
| 03:26:17 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: the flipping can be dealt with at calibration time so it's not really a big deal |
| 03:26:55 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: yeah, I've heard |
| 03:28:04 | Aelhaz | the xcalibrate that came with familiar was utterly confused, iirc |
| 03:28:25 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: I written a java PIM with big clunky finger size UI and now I can use it! |
| 03:36:00 | Aelhaz | so what about backlight controll? |
| 03:36:22 | GoRK | wait, so did someone figure out the touchscreen/sib problem? |
| 03:36:51 | GoRK | spacecoaster? |
| 03:37:06 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: yes! |
| 03:37:12 | GoRK | woo hoo you are the god of your own time!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:37:25 | GoRK | did you stumble onto dsp stuffs? |
| 03:38:01 | GoRK | andersee: that patched program you sent me works ... only the program itself is a little foo. it doesnt get the color palette right |
| 03:38:24 | SpaceCoaster | sortof, i was poking about with the GPIO lines and noticed that it altered the UCB1200 |
| 03:38:28 | GoRK | andersee: i patched the other one that came with lpp: boot_image and it works (it doesnt have the library deps, but it only works with pcx files) |
| 03:39:04 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: I actually was going to start messing with the gpio's too since they can be monitored on jtag |
| 03:39:33 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: i figured that was going to be the key to the dsp |
| 03:39:52 | SpaceCoaster | yeah, I knew I had to hurry before someone else got the glory. |
| 03:40:04 | andersee | GoRK: so do you have a final fblogo now that works with imagemagick5 and 2.4.x kernels? |
| 03:40:04 | GoRK | btw if you want to flip the x/y there are just two ioctls you have to call |
| 03:41:08 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: do you think it would be best if the calibration software did that? |
| 03:41:27 | GoRK | andersee: well it works yes but the colors are wrong... i dont think i'd advise that anyone use it anyway because no matter what format you load into it it calls imagemagick to quantize the colors.. so you lose control of the actual image.. it's pretty easy to load up your image in gimp or whatever and save it is a pcx |
| 03:41:57 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: yes but i was syaing as a temporary fix you could write a little app that just flipped them. i dont think that the nano-x calibrator currently handles that properly (i could be wrong) |
| 03:42:20 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: the plan is to write a framebuffer based calibrator that all the gui's share |
| 03:42:37 | GoRK | since the driver has calibration in it (it doesnt work all that well though) |
| 03:42:41 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: yeah, it should be easy to check for negitive calibration values and call the magic ioctls |
| 03:43:40 | andersee | flashes microwindows into his phone |
| 03:43:40 | GoRK | the math is really easy... but one of my screens has parallelogram distortion |
| 03:43:48 | GoRK | and the driver only does linear distortion |
| 03:44:10 | GoRK | i pity whoever has a screen with a severe trapezoidal distortion |
| 03:44:48 | SpaceCoaster | is the distortion a consequence of how touchscreens work? |
| 03:44:48 | GoRK | i am sort of planning on coding it in there and if we have only one calibration program to alter, it will be much easier to accept |
| 03:45:53 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: no it's a consequence of how the resistive layer is stretched onto the lcd's glass really.. it's not ever really a precision process (not like creating the pixel grid or anything like that) ... it's really a cheap process. the glass is actually what makes touchscreens so expensive.. |
| 03:47:36 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: the ioctls do the business, not as much fun, but more usable. |
| 03:49:20 | Aelhaz | GoRK: I've wondered for a while why they're always glass - and often relatively brittle glass - rather than a polymer or something |
| 03:49:58 | GoRK | yeah they've pretty much been always real live glass.. i guess some newer ones might use some rigid plastic of some sort.. i don't know |
| 03:50:13 | GoRK | they have to be very rigid to protect the lcd |
| 03:50:17 | Aelhaz | LCDs used to always be glass but they're not these days. they're still breakable but they're not glass . .. at least, as i was told, and i see a lot fewer screens with cracks |
| 03:50:31 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: do you want a small program to flip x/y? |
| 03:50:40 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: Sure, i guess |
| 03:50:44 | GoRK | well if the screen makes pretty colors when you poke it it's not glass |
| 03:50:52 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: it'd be a quick fix for familiar |
| 03:51:06 | Aelhaz | GoRK: Yeah, true |
| 03:52:18 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: especially if i could just add it to linuxrc |
| 03:52:29 | as2 | The glass they are made from cant have sodium in it. The vast majority of it had to be got from a single supplier in an eastern country, I forget where. Doesnt surprise me theyd be desperate for an alternative. |
| 03:52:51 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: can I send you the code and an executable, email? |
| 03:53:13 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: Yeah, but, the phone that's flipped is at work |
| 03:53:32 | Aelhaz | alhaz@xmission.com |
| 03:54:19 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: yeah but there are a lot of calibration controls that the driver could support that it doesn't.... i was going to add them into the kernel driver to support better calibration.. it's a lot of extra math but not so much considering we could probably slow down the sample rate quite a bit without consequence (it is, frankly, too fast now) |
| 03:54:51 | GoRK | as evidenced by the nano-x paint program that can't really keep up with the stylus input |
| 03:54:55 | Aelhaz | was as2 talking about lcd screens or touchscreens |
| 03:54:56 | Aelhaz | ? |
| 03:55:15 | GoRK | any lcd that is laminated to glass |
| 03:55:22 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: what should the touchscreen device be in /dev? |
| 03:55:27 | Aelhaz | GoRK: needing low sodium glass? |
| 03:55:43 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: ucb1200-ts |
| 03:55:49 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: should be /dev/ts with major 11 minor 0 i thought |
| 03:55:55 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: maybe could symlink to 'ts' |
| 03:55:56 | Aelhaz | also a tsraw that's 11 1 |
| 03:56:03 | Aelhaz | for calibration |
| 03:56:04 | Aelhaz | iirc |
| 03:57:01 | andersee | is viewml supposed to work? |
| 03:57:54 | GoRK | i couldnt get viewml to do anything except make the NIC light blink once |
| 03:58:35 | andersee | just checking. So its there to fill space... |
| 04:00:00 | GoRK | it fills a lot of it ;) i wanted to ask cosmicpenguin about that |
| 04:00:34 | andersee | Does your pointer run away from you in the paint program? |
| 04:01:02 | GoRK | yes. the driver samples too fast |
| 04:01:09 | GoRK | the kernel driver |
| 04:02:01 | andersee | ITs sure nice to have the backlight blanking now... |
| 04:02:17 | andersee | I had been unpluggin the thing so it wouln't glow at me all night |
| 04:02:30 | GoRK | heh |
| 04:02:55 | cory | I hate things that glow at me in the night |
| 04:04:29 | Aelhaz | i used to live in a studio apartment, I ended up cutting up little squares of self-adhesive aluminum foil and pasting them over the blinkey & glowey LEDs on everything |
| 04:04:51 | Aelhaz | sometimes with a tiny pin prick so i could tell if it was lit or not if i really cared |
| 04:05:09 | SpaceCoaster | lol |
| 04:05:42 | cory | I use electrical tape |
| 04:05:48 | Aelhaz | cory: that'd work too |
| 04:06:07 | Aelhaz | doesn't lend itself as well to a pin prick for a minimal window, tho |
| 04:06:19 | cory | I just peel it off |
| 04:06:23 | cory | or listen for the hum |
| 04:06:31 | GoRK | i knew a dude that put duct tape over his alarm clock at night because it was too bright |
| 04:06:38 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 04:07:00 | GoRK | sup dawg |
| 04:07:05 | Evanrude | up dawg |
| 04:16:12 | Aelhaz | I've gotta go to bed |
| 04:16:19 | GoRK | see ya |
| 04:16:20 | Aelhaz | cya folks |
| 04:16:41 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: how would I calibrate on X |
| 04:17:05 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: cworth i think was working on an X calibrator |
| 04:17:25 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: currently there isnt a program to do it.. you could load nano-x and calibrate then exit and load X |
| 04:17:47 | SpaceCoaster | I see xcalibrate but it kills itself with an assertion in initX |
| 04:18:04 | SpaceCoaster | 'dpy' failed |
| 04:19:01 | SpaceCoaster | oops thats DISPLAY |
| 04:19:55 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: I notice the dial buttons now make noises... |
| 04:20:06 | GoRK | ???? dtmf??? |
| 04:20:13 | andersee | nope |
| 04:20:16 | GoRK | narf! |
| 04:20:26 | andersee | They all make the same noise though |
| 04:20:44 | GoRK | does it pulse dial still? |
| 04:21:06 | andersee | dont have it plugged into the wall, but I'm sure not |
| 04:21:24 | andersee | little noises != pulse != dtmf |
| 04:22:01 | SpaceCoaster | ? |
| 04:23:00 | andersee | Ok. |
| 04:23:23 | andersee | I _does_ still pulse dial -- just needed the phone line plugged in |
| 04:24:04 | GoRK | hahaha |
| 04:24:08 | GoRK | sweet |
| 04:24:25 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: mine makes a repeating tick tick tick noise |
| 04:25:29 | andersee | with the phone line it, it does pulse dialing. With it out, button pushing makes a little "bump" noise |
| 04:25:44 | andersee | s/it,/in,/ |
| 04:26:22 | SpaceCoaster | yes I get that as well |
| 04:29:36 | andersee | Odd that it changes sounds w/wo phone line. My inferno phone doesnt change... |
| 04:30:15 | andersee | I'm gonna run to the local gas station and grab some pop and candy. |
| 04:30:20 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:30:44 | SpaceCoaster | goodnight |
| 04:31:30 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: the latest kernel compiled and built and worked! |
| 04:58:01 | wej | you know yer a tuxscreen addict when... |
| 04:58:10 | wej | man. somebody watch the news. something is going on here. |
| 04:58:15 | wej | helicopters flying super low over my pad. |
| 04:58:30 | prpplague | where are you? |
| 04:58:46 | wej | silicon valley... |
| 04:58:47 | wej | mountain view to be precise. |
| 04:59:18 | wej | shitload of helicopters. |
| 05:00:33 | prpplague | wej: nothing being reported on cnn,fox, or headline |
| 05:00:57 | wej | now i hear lots of cop sirens |
| 05:02:19 | prpplague | oh my |
| 05:02:33 | prpplague | your not jerkin my chain are you? |
| 05:04:00 | wej | nope. |
| 05:04:02 | wej | not at all amigo. |
| 05:04:11 | wej | just scanned the channels myself. |
| 05:04:12 | wej | nada. |
| 05:04:39 | prpplague | hmm nothing on the channels |
| 05:04:41 | wej | i live about 2 miles away from Moffett too |
| 05:04:51 | wej | that's where Air Force 1 flies in when the pres comes to the bay area |
| 05:04:55 | prpplague | hmm, |
| 05:05:08 | wej | one of the helipcopters had a spotlight on too |
| 05:05:12 | wej | was probing the ground n'shit. |
| 05:05:17 | wej | maybe just a runaway convict or something. |
| 05:14:27 | prpplague | wej: m$ police look for someone with a illegal copy of ms-bob |
| 05:16:03 | prpplague | holly cow - http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~omri/Humor/ms.bob.death.html |
| 05:22:57 | prpplague | wej: just saw a scrolling message on cnn said two people were just arested in ca about ot get on a plane |
| 05:33:24 | wej | wow. |
| 05:33:26 | wej | terrorists? |
| 05:33:38 | wej | lives between the san jose, and san francisco airports |
| 05:33:42 | wej | closer to san jose |
| 05:33:44 | wej | which airport? |
| 05:36:05 | prpplague | didn't say, just ca |
| 05:37:14 | cory | I'm sure it'll be all over the news tomorrow |
| 05:38:16 | prpplague | later guys |
| 05:38:32 | wej | nods |
| 05:40:24 | andersee | heh. Looks like my Adaptec APA 1460A card works... |
| 05:40:52 | wej | swank. |
| 05:40:52 | andersee | I should plug in my magneto optical drives |
| 05:41:52 | andersee | night all |
| 05:55:22 | wej | so no news on what happened in CA? |
| 05:58:47 | cory | the latest news listed on cnn.com is strikes resume on afghanistan |
| 06:09:18 | wej | this chic on letterman is a wacko. |
| 13:45:34 | SpaceCoaster | very quiet here at the weekends |
| 13:48:44 | AlHaz | we're not wasting time at work :) |
| 13:51:38 | SpaceCoaster | AlHaz: I have calibrated my touchscreen, wrote a little program that goes direct to the frame buffer. |
| 15:47:23 | AlHaz | SpaceCoaster: cool about the calibration app |
| 16:45:40 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 17:52:19 | ctr | fun and games |
| 18:03:20 | Lenolium | Hehe. |
| 18:06:09 | Lenolium | *pling* |
| 18:47:39 | collord | did i hear someone was going to be offering JTAG outfits? |
| 18:53:20 | mallum | WOOHOO ! touchscreen works !!!!!!!!! |
| 18:53:52 | RedBaron | mallum: Sweet |
| 18:54:00 | scanline | mallum: Nifty |
| 18:55:11 | mallum | Thanks everybody for there hard work !!! |
| 18:56:21 | mallum | anybody know how to recalibrate it ? |
| 18:56:45 | scanline | mallum: which GUI? |
| 18:58:01 | mallum | microwindows |
| 18:58:17 | scanline | it should have a calibrator come up when you boot |
| 18:59:04 | mallum | yeah I think I mis calibrated it it my excitement :) |
| 18:59:12 | mallum | it seems quite off |
| 18:59:13 | scanline | hehe |
| 18:59:29 | mallum | scanline: is picogui to be included in the buildroot |
| 18:59:42 | RedBaron | mallum: try tuxcal |
| 18:59:43 | scanline | mallum: Yes, GoRK's working on that |
| 19:00:24 | RedBaron | mallum: When I got my tuxscreen to boot last night, I found I have one of the weird touchscreens also. I killed off tuxcal to get past that to the actual desktop |
| 19:02:54 | mallum | hmm, tuxcal just said 'loading configuration data...' |
| 19:03:27 | RedBaron | Hmm. There must be a config file around somewhere that holds it. try moving it or cleaning it out...if you can find it. :) |
| 19:04:02 | scanline | I think it's something like /etc/pointercal |
| 19:04:22 | mallum | I've got a /etc/tsdata |
| 19:04:43 | scanline | probably it |
| 19:04:55 | mallum | shall I delete it you reckon ? |
| 19:05:03 | scanline | yeah |
| 19:05:28 | RedBaron | Keep a backup |
| 19:05:44 | mallum | its ok |
| 19:05:50 | mallum | that seems to have worked |
| 19:05:52 | mallum | :))) |
| 19:06:06 | RedBaron | cool |
| 19:06:16 | scanline | yay |
| 19:07:39 | RedBaron | Looking at the buildroot-tux. Nice setup there. |
| 19:08:39 | mallum | cool, Im in fight over on #handhelds |
| 19:11:18 | mallum | oh its quite boring now |
| 19:12:13 | mallum | buildroot *rocks* the ipaq needs it too IMHO |
| 19:12:26 | RedBaron | Who set it up? andersee? |
| 19:12:33 | scanline | Pico/Linux could use a buildroot too :) |
| 19:12:41 | scanline | (the distro for the Helio) |
| 19:12:48 | RedBaron | *nod* |
| 19:13:10 | mallum | yeah andersee set it up |
| 19:13:22 | scanline | what kind of system is the ipaq using now? |
| 19:13:53 | mallum | debian based, has a packaging system |
| 19:14:02 | scanline | ah |
| 19:14:06 | mallum | you basically flash the kernel and base system |
| 19:14:11 | mallum | set up networking |
| 19:14:15 | mallum | and install the rest |
| 19:14:21 | scanline | interesting |
| 19:14:22 | RedBaron | Yah. most of the debian arm packages are supposed to work fine |
| 19:14:30 | mallum | I just attempted a 0.5pre install |
| 19:14:41 | mallum | flash went fine |
| 19:14:55 | mallum | but it wouldn't load up my wavelan properly ( used too ) |
| 19:15:00 | RedBaron | Urf. Can someone tell me why I'm using my p200 to do the buildroot when I have a couple much much faster machines? :) |
| 19:15:18 | mallum | And Im too lazy to set up ppp over serial |
| 19:15:57 | mallum | I'll wait till the wavelan problems are fixed, then attempt another install |
| 19:17:08 | mallum | I wrote xkbd ( an onscreen keyboard ) for it and wanted to test with new version |
| 20:13:17 | ctr | y0 |
| 21:45:48 | pattieja | WhatAboutBob: what about smee? what about smee? oh. smee's me. What about me? |
| 21:46:01 | pattieja | :) |
| 21:50:17 | | GoRK was last seen on #tuxscreen 17 hours, 26 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: sweet [Sat Oct 13 05:24:08 2001] |
| 21:50:17 | scanline | ibot: seen GoRK |
| 21:51:48 | scanline | is away: food |
| 22:06:19 | scanline | is back (gone 00:14:31) |
| 22:40:26 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: just sent you some email with a touchscreen calibration program |
| 22:41:01 | RedBaron | Rock on. Got my touchsreen working |
| 22:41:04 | mallum | mallum: cool, thx ... checking ... |
| 22:41:27 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: was it you that finally figured out the fix ? |
| 22:41:36 | SpaceCoaster | yes |
| 22:42:05 | mallum | Well done !! :))) |
| 22:42:17 | SpaceCoaster | thanks |
| 22:43:46 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: yipee |
| 22:44:08 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Congratz on that find. :) |
| 22:44:45 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: my calibration ( via micrwindows ) seemed to work ok ...? |
| 22:45:03 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: thanks |
| 22:45:52 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: yeah this is a standalone program so it isn't dependent on microwindows etc. I also handles reversed screens. |
| 22:46:03 | SpaceCoaster | s/I/It/ |
| 22:46:45 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: ok I will compile and test ( but wont be able to do it till tommorow - is late here - is that ok ? ) |
| 22:46:48 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Do you know if there is a way to power off the touchscreen and LCD screen via software? |
| 22:47:40 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: yes, there are some ioctls which do that but I couldn't get them to work on my machine, that was next on the list. |
| 22:48:09 | SpaceCoaster | I think that from microwindows you can type m for a menu, but I don't use it so... |
| 22:48:20 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Ah. ok |
| 22:48:21 | mallum | SpaceCoaster: what was the problem with the ts in the end ? |
| 22:48:34 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Yes. 'm' gives you a menu. just tried it |
| 22:49:15 | SpaceCoaster | It was the codec aka UCB1200. It needed to be reset before it would talk. One of the ARM GPIO pins is just for resetting the codec. |
| 22:50:38 | SpaceCoaster | mallum: I don't think it's 100% because I still can't turn my backlight off. |
| 22:53:13 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Do you know who to refer bug reports to in the buildroot-tux? Found a little minor compile problem when building on a redhat 6.2 box with egcs-2.91.66. |
| 22:53:55 | SpaceCoaster | was this in mkfs.jffs2.c by chance? |
| 22:54:27 | RedBaron | egcs-2.91.66: Ayup. The disabling of debug prints. I just set the #define to be an empty function with a stdarg list. |
| 22:54:51 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: erf...messed up that last line. :) |
| 22:55:04 | SpaceCoaster | yeah I comment it out and comment in the line above |
| 22:55:44 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: *nod* |
| 22:55:45 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: andersee is the buildroot-tux man |
| 22:56:25 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Ok. I've never seen a '...' used in a #def macro before. Seemed rather weird. |
| 22:56:30 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: I mentioned it to him and he made a change but it didn't fix it so I left it. |
| 22:56:39 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: *nod* |
| 22:57:10 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: yeah, must be ANSI or GNU or summit, long live K&R |
| 22:58:07 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: mail andersee your fix, it sounds good. |
| 22:58:46 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: EricAndersen, correct? |
| 22:58:58 | SpaceCoaster | yes |
| 23:00:49 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: what are you plans for your TuxScreen? |
| 23:01:55 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: I want to see if I can turn it into a portable webpad like thing. :) |
| 23:01:56 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:02:22 | BZFlag | ... in a def is gnu only. |
| 23:02:40 | SpaceCoaster | aaahh |
| 23:02:49 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: rip out the guts and the screen and repackage it all with some batteries and voltage regulators. |
| 23:03:11 | SpaceCoaster | cool |
| 23:03:27 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: I've been wanting to make my own webpad for a long time. since no company has done one right yet. But its so damn expensive. But the tuxscreen has all the necessary parts. :) |
| 23:03:43 | SpaceCoaster | So that will be wireless ? |
| 23:03:48 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Ayup |
| 23:04:15 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Ah. Hmm...must be a newer feature than what egcs-2.91.66 has. |
| 23:04:59 | SpaceCoaster | andersee mumbled something about "pesky RedHat"... |
| 23:05:00 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Dont know what kind of run time I'll be able to get out of this though. I havent broken it open yet to see how much current it draws. But hopefully it wont be too bad. |
| 23:05:50 | SpaceCoaster | The ARM is supposed to be pretty good. and you probably want it around the house. Can you make cases? |
| 23:05:52 | Aelhaz | yeah, rh6.2 comes with that old ver of egcs |
| 23:06:56 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Yah. A friend of mine is a mechanical engineer who specializes in making small and light weight stuff out of fiberglass and carbon fiber. So I'll get his help in making a case. |
| 23:07:31 | RedBaron | Aelhaz: Yah. I'm still on redhat 6.2 because of redhat's screw up with the compiler in the 7.x line. Just too lazy to rebuild my home server with something better like debian. :) |
| 23:07:49 | SpaceCoaster | great, I one made a case for a computer and the fiberglass was so thick I think it would withstand re-entry:-) |
| 23:08:09 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: *chuckle* |
| 23:08:50 | SpaceCoaster | RedBaron: I was about to upgrade to 7.1, but I started with the TuxScreen instead, is 7.X broken? |
| 23:09:48 | BZFlag | better to go to debian. Never have to do a reinstall again, just "apt-get dist-upgrade" ;-) |
| 23:10:07 | mallum | BZFlag: and pray .... |
| 23:10:17 | BZFlag | heh, well that too. |
| 23:10:44 | BZFlag | rebuilds and reflashes a previously broken phone... |
| 23:11:07 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: Well. Sorta. They took a devel version of gcc, hacked it, and called it golden. And the GCC guys told them they should NOT have done it. |
| 23:11:11 | mallum | usually works though |
| 23:11:38 | BZFlag | and imagine, most of the gcc folk for for that same company |
| 23:11:46 | SpaceCoaster | how did BZFlag do that aside/note stuff? |
| 23:11:49 | BZFlag | s/for for/work for/ |
| 23:12:02 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Hmm...never had any problems with upgrading debian? I've never trusted any upgrade procedures though. :) |
| 23:12:13 | BZFlag | wonders if SpaceCoaster means /me |
| 23:12:24 | SpaceCoaster | maybe |
| 23:12:29 | SpaceCoaster | thanks |
| 23:12:35 | BZFlag | no prob |
| 23:12:42 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Huh... didnt know that about the gcc guys. |
| 23:12:58 | BZFlag | RedBaron: problems? yeah, but much less that upgrades from any other distro/os I've tried. |
| 23:13:08 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Wow...redhat is being more of a big dumb corporate screw up than I thought. |
| 23:13:14 | BZFlag | RedBaron: gcc = cynus = redhat |
| 23:13:14 | mallum | ack my cable modem is playing up again |
| 23:13:14 | mallum | time for be me thinks - night all + thanks again for fixing the ts !!! |
| 23:13:23 | RedBaron | Seeyas mallum |
| 23:13:25 | BZFlag | er cygnus. |
| 23:13:46 | SpaceCoaster | Don't you value real upgrades for their cleansing effect? |
| 23:13:51 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Okay. |
| 23:14:44 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: I mailed a standalone calibration prog to andersee. |
| 23:14:45 | RedBaron | SpaceCoaster: I value reinstalls for their cleansing effect. Learnt that from playing games in winblows. Heh. And in the unix world, I use a reinstall as an excuse to fix the various things that I havent gotten around to fixing yet. |
| 23:14:47 | Aelhaz | upgrades? cleansing? |
| 23:14:50 | Aelhaz | er, no |
| 23:15:06 | Aelhaz | my web server, a sparcstation, started out with 4.1 |
| 23:15:09 | Aelhaz | redhat, I mean |
| 23:15:11 | Aelhaz | went to 5.2 |
| 23:15:13 | Aelhaz | then to 6.0 |
| 23:15:17 | Aelhaz | then 6.2 |
| 23:15:22 | Aelhaz | and it was *hairy |
| 23:15:29 | Aelhaz | with warts |
| 23:15:38 | SpaceCoaster | via upgrades or reinstall? |
| 23:15:44 | RedBaron | *chuckle* Yah. Redhat x.0 versions are hairy and ugly. |
| 23:15:45 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: upgrades |
| 23:16:10 | Aelhaz | i finally lifted out /home and /etc/passwd & whatnot and installed debian/potato |
| 23:16:23 | SpaceCoaster | scary indeed, previously I meant clean installs |
| 23:16:24 | Aelhaz | then shoehorned the old users & stuff into it |
| 23:16:27 | Aelhaz | it's much nicer now |
| 23:16:36 | BZFlag | sweet bright/contrast/ts all work! |
| 23:16:58 | SpaceCoaster | Hmmm, how do you test the bright/contrasts ? |
| 23:17:00 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Cool. Yah. my bright/contrast works. didnt know that that was an issue. |
| 23:17:25 | BZFlag | before SpaceCoaster's fix, it used to hang the machine at bootup |
| 23:17:26 | Aelhaz | can someone tweak the keyboard code to make the screen + - keys work? |
| 23:18:21 | BZFlag | and do what? pgup/down is already there. |
| 23:18:30 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: how do you adjust the bright/contrast ? |
| 23:18:47 | BZFlag | ahh... I used 'm' in microwindows. |
| 23:18:58 | BZFlag | screen +- might be good for that.. |
| 23:18:59 | RedBaron | Aelhaz: Assuming the keyboard utilities are there, you dont need to tweak the code any. Just run ... umm ... forget the name. but it'll define scan codes and all that fun stuff. |
| 23:19:02 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: adjust the brightness |
| 23:19:09 | SpaceCoaster | thanks, flashing... |
| 23:19:32 | Aelhaz | RedBaron: that's true, same way c-a-d is captured . . . |
| 23:20:31 | BZFlag | hmmm... rebooted with reset and nothing. |
| 23:32:33 | SpaceCoaster | my brightness works fine under microwindows, who writes the microwindows stuff |
| 23:32:43 | SpaceCoaster | ? |
| 23:33:04 | Aelhaz | cosmic penguin |
| 23:33:29 | SpaceCoaster | thanks |
| 23:34:38 | BZFlag | hmmm flashing jtag =( |
| 23:35:05 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Whoops. what happened? |
| 23:36:00 | other | is the lcd supposed to have anything on it using the v0.4 kernel and default ramdisk image? |
| 23:36:21 | Aelhaz | a penguin |
| 23:36:28 | other | mine appears off. |
| 23:36:28 | Aelhaz | and kernel messages |
| 23:36:30 | Aelhaz | etc |
| 23:36:48 | RedBaron | Aelhaz: Because I have nothing else that I feel like doing (I have plenty to do :/...I'm dinking around in the kernel code to see if I can figure out the keyboard driver. |
| 23:36:53 | other | but the kernel is running, and i can login to it via the keyboard and serial, but there is nothing on the lcd at all |
| 23:37:33 | Aelhaz | other: is the backlight lit? |
| 23:37:41 | other | doesn't look so |
| 23:38:51 | other | is there a reason it wouldn't be? |
| 23:39:41 | Aelhaz | hmm, maybe it's turned off? did it work in inferno? |
| 23:40:07 | other | it worked in inferno |
| 23:40:19 | Aelhaz | interesting |
| 23:40:21 | other | and was on i think until i rebooted after flashing blob |
| 23:40:53 | Aelhaz | try installing a kernel with the backlight & contrast controll patches, etc |
| 23:40:53 | other | what turns on the backlight? |
| 23:40:58 | other | erm. |
| 23:41:01 | other | where would i get that? |
| 23:42:38 | BZFlag | RedBaron: no idea. I booted, and ran mw, all was well, hit reset and nothing. no boot, no blob. |
| 23:42:48 | BZFlag | I reflashed blob and kernel and I'm back. |
| 23:43:06 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Huh. weird |
| 23:43:33 | RedBaron | BZFlag: out of curiosity, did yah try power cycling the phone? |
| 23:43:48 | BZFlag | now, yes. works. before it nuked itself. |
| 23:45:00 | RedBaron | Gah. Must remember to type 'flash kernel' before 'boot' and after 'download kernel' |
| 23:45:02 | BZFlag | hmm... something erased the first flash block. I backed it up with jtag and found it all 0xff |
| 23:45:29 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Nice. Thats not a freindly thing to happen |
| 23:46:04 | BZFlag | no. and I can't think of anything I did that would cause it. |
| 23:47:09 | RedBaron | I suppose that phone could have a bad sector in its flash bank. Flash in general are only rated for a certain number of flashes. But at work we use a microcontroller with flash memory and have never ever hit that limit. *shrug* |
| 23:47:52 | other | anyone know where i can get a prebuilt kernel with the bright/contrast patches? |
| 23:48:07 | Aelhaz | RedBaron: My boss (well, former boss) used to be a QA manager at philips semiconductor, had some comments about the number-of-erase-cycles ratings on flash chips |
| 23:48:33 | Aelhaz | Said they were rating at 100k because everybody else was rating at 100k |
| 23:48:43 | RedBaron | Aelhaz: Hey. I just got the kernel to recognize the screen+ and - keys. I mapped it to keycode 126 and 127. I dont *think* those are being used. |
| 23:48:46 | Aelhaz | but it was just like how fast you can clock cpus |
| 23:49:14 | Aelhaz | Occasionally, they'd sample a bad batch that couldn't make it to 100k in the tester. So they threw 'em in the grinder. |
| 23:49:41 | Aelhaz | Usually, they could go well over 100k with the samples, often to 400 or 500k |
| 23:50:05 | Aelhaz | and occasionally they'd get a batch where the samples went into millions of rewrites and had to be taken out just because they needed to load something else in the tester |
| 23:50:12 | RedBaron | Aelhaz: *nod* We use a hitachi micro-controller and we have some controllers that have been flashed many many many times. And we've never seen a problem with the flash. |
| 23:50:12 | Aelhaz | so YAMMV |
| 23:50:19 | RedBaron | Aelhaz: *chuckle* ok |
| 23:51:10 | RedBaron | "Anyone know why the tuxscreen kernel prints out 'dma period = 2440000 ps' every time you switch consoles? |
| 23:51:11 | BZFlag | hmm... viewml shows local pages, but does not seem to net browse. |
| 23:51:32 | Aelhaz | RedBaron: I've wondered that too |
| 23:52:21 | RedBaron | Okay...Lets see if I can see how microwindows does it deal for keycode handling. Maybe I'll be able to tie the keycodes I just created for the screen+- keys into it. |
| 23:54:35 | BZFlag | hmm... anyone gotten viewml do do anything? |
| 23:55:05 | RedBaron | Nope |
| 23:55:55 | BZFlag | it does init the tcp connection, but does not seem to get any further. |
| 23:56:12 | RedBaron | Huh |
| 23:58:33 | BZFlag | dns does not seem to work though, just by ip. |