| 01:01:35 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 01:02:03 | scanline | hello |
| 01:02:15 | DrXenon | shh. it's quiet time in #tuxscreen. |
| 01:02:26 | scanline | gasps (quietly) |
| 01:02:51 | prpplague | is everyone taking a nap or what? |
| 01:03:06 | scanline | is coding (quietly) |
| 01:03:22 | Tangent | is tweaking iPAQ |
| 01:03:35 | DrXenon | people seem to be making excuses (connection reset by peer or something lame like that) and ducking in and out. it's very rude. |
| 01:03:59 | scanline | is away: connection reset by peer ;) |
| 01:04:01 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 01:04:06 | DrXenon | is shocked and appalled |
| 01:05:38 | prpplague | has just format his wife's winblozes machine with linux |
| 01:06:17 | Tangent | prpplague : Excellent move... |
| 01:06:23 | scanline | suggests a round of applause |
| 01:06:31 | scanline | <clap> <clap> <clap> |
| 01:06:31 | DrXenon | what does the tangent function give when it gets an ipaq as an argument? |
| 01:06:49 | Tangent | DrXenon : Reams of shonky shell scripts |
| 01:07:09 | DrXenon | sounds sin(e)ful. |
| 01:08:26 | Tangent | I hope that puns like that are illegal where you are 'CON IN England they are :) |
| 01:08:51 | Tangent | erm... 'COS IN England... |
| 01:08:54 | Tangent | damn typos |
| 01:09:37 | DrXenon | hee. |
| 01:11:29 | DrXenon | tan, was thinking about buying a video extender so i can put my peecee in a closet. do you have any experience with them? http://www.national-tech.com/specs/ve-120.htm |
| 01:12:20 | DrXenon | i wanna do 1280x1024; transmission path will be about 20 feet. |
| 01:13:11 | DrXenon | (that is to say, the peecee will be in the closet. i came out of the closet back in university.) |
| 01:14:37 | boris | night all |
| 01:14:48 | boris | this uk lad needs his sleep |
| 01:15:01 | DrXenon | bye |
| 01:19:52 | dave | any progress made on the TS front? |
| 02:40:40 | SpaceCoaster | hi anyone awake, i might have tracked down the broken TouchScreen bug! |
| 02:41:26 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: the documents you posted on the wiki indicate a typo in the SA1100 manual. |
| 02:54:10 | DrXenon | hi |
| 02:54:20 | | privet, Tangent |
| 02:54:20 | Tangent | DrXenon : Hi |
| 02:54:30 | | Sorry, Tangent, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 02:54:30 | Tangent | ibot : Shut up |
| 02:54:40 | SpaceCoaster | hi TAngent |
| 02:54:53 | Tangent | Hello SpaceCoaster |
| 02:55:47 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: I on the trail of the TouchScreen bug, can I share the info with you |
| 02:55:59 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : Please do |
| 02:56:53 | SpaceCoaster | Tim just put an errata sheet for the SA1100 on the wiki, it indicates that some of the chip setup was wrong |
| 02:57:09 | Tangent | nod |
| 02:57:45 | SpaceCoaster | The touchscreen interfaces via the ucb1200 chip. This hangs off serial port 4 |
| 02:58:53 | Tangent | nod |
| 02:58:58 | SpaceCoaster | In the header SA-1100.h this is programmed up incorrectly to do Brst4 instead of Brst8, the consequence is described as unpredicatable! |
| 02:59:15 | Tangent | Sounds logical |
| 02:59:42 | SpaceCoaster | So i'm compiling up a kernel, right now |
| 03:00:14 | SpaceCoaster | This is more fun than being paid! |
| 03:02:27 | SpaceCoaster | hmmm, logical, we are talking about hardware! |
| 03:03:24 | Tangent | :) |
| 03:04:23 | SpaceCoaster | it's been a while since I did some kernel hacking, 1986 to be precise |
| 03:07:41 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: you are awake early/late |
| 03:07:54 | Tangent | awake late... 5Am here now.. |
| 03:08:11 | Tangent | SpaceCoaster : 1986.. yeah.. that's a while :) |
| 03:09:02 | sammy | morning all... |
| 03:11:00 | Tangent | Night all |
| 03:11:03 | Tangent | goes to bed |
| 03:11:07 | Tangent | Moring sammy |
| 03:11:19 | SpaceCoaster | Tangent: see ya |
| 03:18:44 | GoRK | SpaceCoaster: did that kernel work? |
| 03:19:03 | SpaceCoaster | no :-) |
| 03:19:10 | SpaceCoaster | no :-( |
| 03:19:16 | GoRK | heh |
| 03:19:20 | GoRK | too bad |
| 03:19:32 | SpaceCoaster | it felt so right, boohoo |
| 03:19:56 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: are you a kernel hacker? |
| 03:20:23 | GoRK | no the most complicated thing ive hacked on is the emu10k1 (sblive) drivers |
| 03:21:50 | GoRK | and i hacked on xine too... at one point i was dead set on getting Dolby AC3 passthrough working so i could watch dvd's in linux w/ full 5.1 sound.. then i did it and ive never watched another movie in linux :) |
| 03:22:24 | SpaceCoaster | the thrill of the chase, eh |
| 03:23:03 | GoRK | yeah and both the emu10k1 driver and xine support it all out of the box now, so no longer is it required to apply 10000 patches to CVS versions of software to make it work |
| 03:23:55 | SpaceCoaster | I once wrote some software to reduce maintenance on nuclear powerstations and I too have not been near one since :-) |
| 03:24:10 | GoRK | haha |
| 03:24:21 | GoRK | ill keep that in mind |
| 03:24:49 | SpaceCoaster | yeah it was just the turbines not the reactors, but still |
| 03:27:03 | SpaceCoaster | What sort of hardware do you need to watch movies on Linux? |
| 03:27:22 | GoRK | DVD rom and probably a PII 450+ |
| 03:27:39 | GoRK | and a video card that supports some sort of hardware scaling in X |
| 03:28:01 | GoRK | XVideo is preferable probably |
| 03:28:05 | GoRK | and XFree 4 |
| 03:33:02 | SpaceCoaster | and so to bed...see ya |
| 03:33:09 | GoRK | later |
| 05:18:42 | GoRK | evening |
| 05:37:48 | GoRK | evening |
| 05:37:58 | andersee | greetings |
| 05:38:08 | andersee | and salutations... |
| 05:38:18 | andersee | Sorry I havn't looked into the math thing... |
| 05:38:34 | GoRK | n/p i got off to picogui |
| 05:38:40 | GoRK | gearing up for it |
| 05:39:03 | andersee | BTW, I was looking in /usr/include/endian.h and noticed it has #define __LITTLE_ENDIAN 1234 |
| 05:39:03 | andersee | #define __BIG_ENDIAN 4321 |
| 05:39:04 | andersee | #define __PDP_ENDIAN 3412 |
| 05:39:27 | andersee | Isn't the PDP endian what we see for arm fp storage? |
| 05:39:40 | GoRK | yeah exactly |
| 05:40:00 | GoRK | PDP heh |
| 05:40:31 | andersee | I was also noticing that we do support that type of storage already -- so perhaps we just need to enable that for ARM uClibc's include/math.h |
| 05:41:11 | andersee | #define DEC 1 |
| 05:41:22 | andersee | #undef UNK |
| 05:41:27 | andersee | Might work... |
| 05:41:36 | GoRK | erm i seem to remember trying that |
| 05:41:42 | GoRK | ill get back to it in a couple days im sure |
| 05:41:57 | andersee | k |
| 05:42:34 | GoRK | after i finish integrating picogui app building into buildroot of course |
| 05:42:46 | andersee | heh. Of course. |
| 05:43:20 | GoRK | we need to get a jffs2 and source out already :) cosmicpenguin and his microwindows are mopping the floor with picogui!!! |
| 05:44:19 | GoRK | he may have a web browser but we've got COLOR support in the terminal!!!! |
| 05:44:46 | GoRK | heh :) actually i think we are going to work to unify the touchscreen calibrator between all the GUI projects |
| 05:45:16 | scanline | that'd be cool |
| 05:45:38 | scanline | it looks like Eric Christianson and I are going to try to have a web browser done by the end of the month |
| 05:46:48 | GoRK | all my hardware is in here to start building this PBX |
| 05:47:17 | GoRK | and i have an easy thing to glue to in asterisk |
| 05:47:25 | scanline | Linux still needs a tuxscreen DSP driver for that, right? |
| 05:49:15 | GoRK | well yes and no. yes it will help a lot in that i will be able to utalize the speakerphone, DTMF, LED, and hard buttons in software, (and maybe voip) but no in that my analog port cards in the PBX can detect switchook on the phone with or without a dsp driver and i can send dialing commands, etc over the serial port or the network |
| 05:50:14 | scanline | neat |
| 05:50:14 | GoRK | until i can read from the actual phone buttons i can emulate them on the screen |
| 05:51:29 | GoRK | callerid and all that is trapped on the pbx too so i can just read that over the network when a call comes in (and the phone's software will be notified of incoming call over the network too since it can't currently read that the dsp is ringing the phone) |
| 05:52:16 | scanline | hehe. So it might as well be a 486 sitting next to a telephone :) |
| 05:52:32 | GoRK | it will be very server-push if/until the dsp driver is working at which point it will become quite nice |
| 05:52:35 | GoRK | right. for now anyway |
| 05:52:50 | GoRK | yeah i hadn't thought of it that way.. heh |
| 05:52:54 | scanline | is there any documentation for the tux's DSP? |
| 05:53:01 | GoRK | it might as well be a 486 sitting next to a telephone |
| 05:53:19 | GoRK | a rotary telephone at that |
| 05:53:41 | scanline | Yeah, I was a little surprised when it used pulse dialing. Hehe |
| 05:54:02 | GoRK | hey.. failsafe is failsafe. 911 dials just fine in pulse :) |
| 05:54:12 | scanline | yep |
| 06:34:06 | bizz | is away: sleeping. |
| 07:06:03 | scanline | is away: sleep... school... code... |
| 11:32:24 | Tangent | wakes up |
| 11:36:01 | mallum | mornin |
| 11:36:32 | Tangent | mallum : Hi.. 'nother quiet day at work? |
| 11:36:48 | mallum | hmm no a bit more to do today |
| 11:38:10 | Tangent | Nod... I gotta search for a job some more... Jobserve says' Sorry No Matches Found. '.. .Hmmph |
| 11:39:15 | mallum | its tough at the mo' |
| 11:39:23 | mallum | any more about the head hunter ? |
| 11:39:46 | Tangent | mallum : No.. I'll try giving hime another call tho... I still haven't spoke to him yet |
| 11:39:58 | mallum | well good luck with that |
| 11:47:10 | Tangent | Urk... I just saw the stats on Jobserve.... only 3363 jobs online.... It was about 72,000 this time last year... |
| 11:47:35 | Tangent | Ah... engineering jobs... DOh... |
| 12:18:20 | RedBaron | Good morning |
| 12:20:30 | Tangent | RedBaron : Morning |
| 13:11:47 | CosmicPenguin | Morning everybody..... |
| 13:12:46 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Morning |
| 13:13:12 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: You awake right now? |
| 13:18:40 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 13:18:46 | RedBaron | Howdy |
| 13:20:27 | mallum | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 13:20:40 | mallum | can I hassle you about that dictionary .... |
| 13:24:54 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: you can hastle me, and berate me as nessesary - because i am not yet finished... |
| 13:25:28 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I thought i had it under control, but my thinking was kind of muddled, so it wasn't as "finished" as I had hoped... |
| 13:26:02 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: But right now I am waiting for hardware to show up, so if 10:00 comes and goes with no packages, I will start work on it again... |
| 13:26:20 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: hiya |
| 13:27:04 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Whats up with the touchscreen? Anything I can do to help? |
| 13:28:30 | SpaceCoaster | maybe, I have been looking at the hanging backlight patch and the touchscreen |
| 13:29:25 | SpaceCoaster | it is hanging when doing a read from the ucb1200, the read confirm bit is never set |
| 13:31:34 | SpaceCoaster | the line, while (!(Ser4MCSR & MCSR_CRC));, in ucb1200_sa1100.c hangs |
| 13:31:37 | CosmicPenguin | is the read confirm bit ever set for reading *any* ucb1200 register? |
| 13:31:40 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: just tell me if Im getting annoying ;) |
| 13:31:51 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Nope, I deserve it.... |
| 13:32:15 | DrXenon | hi |
| 13:32:15 | mallum | is always paranoid of annoying people on irc :( |
| 13:33:22 | Tangent | paranoid people annoy me :D |
| 13:33:56 | | drxenon: i don't know |
| 13:33:56 | DrXenon | ibot, who is marvin? |
| 13:35:31 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: no, this bit is just for reads on Serial Port 4 this happens when setting the GPIO lines (backlight) and when reading the touchscreen coords |
| 13:36:01 | CosmicPenguin | But the GPIO lines are on the UCB.... |
| 13:36:15 | SpaceCoaster | the GPIO line code writes but uses a read/modify write style, hence the hang |
| 13:36:46 | SpaceCoaster | Yes they are on the UCB, which is connected via serial port 4 |
| 13:37:55 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: But it doesn't hang if you try to read, for example, the ID register on the UCB? |
| 13:38:34 | SpaceCoaster | hmmm, do we do that? |
| 13:38:48 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Lemme check |
| 13:44:16 | mallum | Tangent: too much pot ? ;) |
| 13:44:24 | Tangent | mallum : No such thing |
| 13:46:23 | mallum | heh |
| 13:46:34 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - I just booted my phone with the non BL patch, and the contrast went haywire! |
| 13:47:19 | SpaceCoaster | oops |
| 13:48:08 | CosmicPenguin | It never did that before.... :( |
| 13:50:20 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: It doesn't look to me like we do much with the UCB outside of touchscreen stuff... |
| 13:52:10 | SpaceCoaster | i agree, i also suspect that the writes only appear to succeed, the CWC (write confirm) doesn't clear when we access the MCDR register as documented |
| 13:52:32 | SpaceCoaster | most of the time this bit is wedged |
| 13:52:55 | CosmicPenguin | So that shifts our attention to the SIB....... |
| 13:53:12 | SpaceCoaster | what is the SIB? |
| 13:53:41 | CosmicPenguin | Serial interface bus.... do you have the UCB1200 spec handy? |
| 13:54:10 | SpaceCoaster | yes, been sleeping with it :-) |
| 13:54:26 | SpaceCoaster | and the wife, of course |
| 13:54:41 | CosmicPenguin | Check page 25 |
| 13:57:10 | SpaceCoaster | I tried some stuff with the SIB_ZERO bit, cause we don't do that and it appears to be required if we are the only one on the bus. |
| 13:57:51 | SpaceCoaster | oops maybe not setting it is what is required. |
| 14:03:05 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Do you have a working tuxscreen? |
| 14:03:54 | SpaceCoaster | yes, apart from the touchscreen/backlight |
| 14:05:33 | CosmicPenguin | Ok. So if we can come up SpaceCoaster: Ok... do you have a list of releavent processor registers that we can test? |
| 14:06:07 | CosmicPenguin | I am worried that they left a pin floating or something stupid like that, and that the different board spins are affecting that pin.... |
| 14:07:27 | SpaceCoaster | sounds like a possibilty, how would we start to track it down? |
| 14:09:54 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: If we can get a list of registers, then we can make a /proc file, and compare between working and non-working boards... |
| 14:10:14 | SpaceCoaster | ok, a list of which registers? |
| 14:11:12 | CosmicPenguin | processor registers that would give us some idea of the state of the SIB... for example, the SIB_ZERO bit.... |
| 14:11:29 | CosmicPenguin | I don't have much of a clue what the processor provides us, since I don't have any processor documentation |
| 14:12:01 | SpaceCoaster | i just have the SA1100 PDF and the errata sheet, from the wiki |
| 14:12:25 | SpaceCoaster | does your touchscreen work? |
| 14:17:02 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: It does |
| 14:17:07 | prpplague | mallum: i worry about that too... |
| 14:18:50 | SpaceCoaster | good, you mentioned /proc, I would use printk in the driver but am willing to learn! |
| 14:19:54 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: once you use it, you'll never go back... :) |
| 14:21:02 | SpaceCoaster | didn't think going back was an option, 'cept close to a black hole |
| 14:21:08 | SpaceCoaster | how do i start? |
| 14:23:09 | SpaceCoaster | just put some of those ole fashun printk's in and the CWC bit is being set, after the read, instead of the CRC, weird |
| 14:23:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so create a proc entry that shows the status of all the pins, and then just compare the two entries between working and non-working units? |
| 14:23:44 | mallum | prpplague: maybe we should start a #paranoid channel ;) |
| 14:23:47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Is that too stupidly simple? |
| 14:24:22 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Ok, we know that the serial port in question is 4, right? |
| 14:24:27 | SpaceCoaster | yes |
| 14:24:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no sounds great, i've just never done anything with procfs, i'd love to see how you do this |
| 14:24:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sounds a like a great way to do debuging on new platforms |
| 14:30:02 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Ok... we've got a whole lot of Ser4XXX registers... which ones would you say are the most likely suspects for being broken? |
| 14:36:10 | SpaceCoaster | well the MCCR0, MCCR1, MCDR2 and MCSR the others are for audio/telecom |
| 14:37:28 | CosmicPenguin | MCDR0 also? |
| 14:38:20 | CosmicPenguin | By reading these registers, will I accidently clear any bits and crash my system? |
| 14:39:11 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: MCDR0 is audio |
| 14:39:36 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: k |
| 14:39:52 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: reading MCDR2 will clear the CRC/CWC bits, though on a broken tuxscreen, it doesn't |
| 14:40:31 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: if you could do this while it was busy waiting for CRC it would hang |
| 14:40:53 | CosmicPenguin | only the SIB though, not the whole damn thing |
| 14:41:02 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: but this only happens inside read_codec()/write_codec() |
| 14:41:35 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: I'm sure it's ok |
| 14:51:14 | scanline | is back (gone 07:45:11) |
| 14:57:19 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I've got some readings.... |
| 14:58:10 | CosmicPenguin | MCCR0 47f7f |
| 14:58:21 | CosmicPenguin | MCCR1: 7000 |
| 14:58:27 | CosmicPenguin | MCDR2: 29F |
| 14:58:32 | CosmicPenguin | MSCR: 1505 |
| 15:00:38 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: could you send me the code that you used to get these? |
| 15:01:58 | SpaceCoaster | interesting that MSCR indicates that you have a write completion, this is cleared when reading MCDR2 |
| 15:03:00 | SpaceCoaster | 0x2000=CRC, 0x1000=CWC, 0x505=fifo level stuff |
| 15:09:21 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: my readings.... |
| 15:09:35 | SpaceCoaster | MCCR0: 57f7f |
| 15:09:43 | SpaceCoaster | MCCR1: f000 |
| 15:09:58 | SpaceCoaster | MCDR2: 1fffff |
| 15:10:08 | SpaceCoaster | MSCR: 1505 |
| 15:11:05 | SpaceCoaster | this was from within sa1100_mcp_read_codec() |
| 15:12:03 | CosmicPenguin | WAIT! I think we've got it..... see bit 16 on MCCR0???? |
| 15:12:26 | SpaceCoaster | ooh, don't get me excited, yes |
| 15:12:42 | CosmicPenguin | Multimedia communications port enable. |
| 15:12:42 | CosmicPenguin | 0 MCP operation disabled, control of the TXD4, RXD4, SCLK, and SFRM pins given to the |
| 15:12:42 | CosmicPenguin | PPC to be used as general-purpose I/O pins. |
| 15:12:42 | CosmicPenguin | 1 MCP operation enabled. |
| 15:12:42 | CosmicPenguin | Note that the MCP has precedence over the SSP, if MCE=1; SSE is ignored unless the SPR |
| 15:12:42 | CosmicPenguin | bit is set within the PPC, which allows the SSP to use GPIO pins while the MCP uses serial |
| 15:12:44 | CosmicPenguin | port 4's pin for transmission. |
| 15:13:09 | CosmicPenguin | (Sorry about the ugly cut and paste) |
| 15:15:11 | SpaceCoaster | ok so we mcp enabled and you don't |
| 15:15:39 | CosmicPenguin | Yep..... Now we need to figure out what the SPR bit is... |
| 15:15:48 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: what is the PPC? |
| 15:15:51 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 15:16:25 | SpaceCoaster | Peripheral Pin Controller! |
| 15:17:37 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Ok, we're rolling... How can i send you a patch? |
| 15:17:46 | CosmicPenguin | <--- I will also test this on a broken TS here on site... |
| 15:18:20 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: derek@technicaltoys.net |
| 15:18:32 | mallum | wah.... your making progress on the ts ??????? |
| 15:25:54 | CosmicPenguin | brb - I am going to test this theory on another broken touchscreen |
| 15:27:53 | CosmicPenguin | actually, not... that other tuxscreen has the old blob and stuff, so I will upgrade it later... |
| 15:31:04 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: got the patch |
| 15:33:36 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Adding PPC readings to the mix... |
| 15:37:52 | prpplague | howdy debug |
| 15:47:14 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Hows it coming? |
| 15:48:07 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: well the sib values I see from /proc are similar to yours |
| 15:48:09 | boris | w000h000 almost got the arm tool chain :) |
| 15:49:04 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Damn.... |
| 15:49:20 | CosmicPenguin | So where did you get your MCCR0: 57f7f reading? |
| 15:49:25 | SpaceCoaster | MCCR0: 47f7f, MCCR1: 7000, MCDR2: 1fffff, MSCR: 1505 |
| 15:49:39 | CosmicPenguin | Are we setting that pin somewhere? |
| 15:49:54 | SpaceCoaster | I get my readings at the point when we try to read from the ucb, so it's still valid |
| 15:50:19 | SpaceCoaster | something changes, but when I use it it's wrong |
| 15:51:27 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Send me the printks that you used will you? I'll stick them in and see if I get similar readings... |
| 15:51:41 | SpaceCoaster | k |
| 15:52:46 | CosmicPenguin | damn... check line ucb1200_sa1100.c:231 |
| 15:52:56 | sammy | hi all... |
| 15:53:45 | SpaceCoaster | i have a bunch of cruft in my file, what statement? |
| 15:54:23 | CosmicPenguin | if (arch->flags & UCB1200_ADC_SYNC) |
| 15:54:49 | CosmicPenguin | Anway, its a red herring, because sib_enable() turns on the MCE bit, so thats why you saw that in your prinks... |
| 15:55:23 | SpaceCoaster | damn indeed |
| 15:57:25 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: the instructions for setting this up are quite specific (and complicated), i think i'll check through the code |
| 15:58:27 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: ok.... watch for that uninitalized bit... |
| 16:01:04 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Does it seem wierd to you that my CWC is always set no matter when I read the register? |
| 16:01:53 | prpplague | howdy andersee |
| 16:04:16 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: very weird, reading the MCDR2 (or writing) should clear the CWC |
| 16:05:58 | CosmicPenguin | And I haven't been writing to the touchscreen... i am in poll mode on ucb1200-ts, but that's all interrupt driven, so that shouldn't be it.... |
| 16:06:13 | CosmicPenguin | There should be no SIB activity, yet, the bit is still set... |
| 16:07:10 | andersee | prpplague: howdy |
| 16:07:39 | prpplague | anyone recomend a good 802.11b cf card? |
| 16:08:12 | AlHazWork | prpplague: afaik the dlink is the only one |
| 16:08:17 | AlHazWork | and it's thick like a microdrive |
| 16:08:58 | prpplague | AlHazWork: you try'd it? |
| 16:09:34 | AlHazWork | prpplague: there's reason to believe that if we had a working driver, a lot of pcmcia prism2 cards would work in the phone, if you're thinking about the tuxscreen |
| 16:09:43 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: why do you say they are interrupt driven? I see looping when reading from the codec. |
| 16:09:48 | AlHazWork | duck's friend curt has one of the dlink cards |
| 16:10:59 | AlHazWork | andersee: I think I'm seeing an issue with bb-mount with regard to nfs mounting. my phone here that's set up to nfsroot only manages to mount the nfs share about 1 out of 10 times, and often goes completely apeshit trying |
| 16:11:07 | prpplague | AlHazWork: looking for something to use with my yopy |
| 16:11:36 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Well, if a microdrive fits in the yopy, the dlink card would too |
| 16:11:40 | andersee | AlHazWork: hmm. Is this on the phone? |
| 16:11:49 | AlHazWork | andersee: Yep |
| 16:12:48 | AlHazWork | andersee: tcpdump sees this, over and over: |
| 16:12:50 | AlHazWork | 11:13:54.470765 eth0 < 172.27.158.2.672 > 172.27.158.1.635: udp 88 (DF) |
| 16:12:50 | AlHazWork | 11:13:54.471045 eth0 < 172.27.158.2.672 > 172.27.158.1.635: udp 88 (DF) |
| 16:12:50 | AlHazWork | 11:13:54.471310 eth0 < 172.27.158.2.672 > 172.27.158.1.635: udp 88 (DF) |
| 16:12:50 | AlHazWork | 11:13:54.471591 eth0 < 172.27.158.2.672 > 172.27.158.1.635: udp 88 (DF) |
| 16:12:51 | AlHazWork | 11:13:54.471876 eth0 < 172.27.158.2.672 > 172.27.158.1.635: udp 88 (DF) |
| 16:12:53 | AlHazWork | 11:13:54.472160 eth0 < 172.27.158.2.672 > 172.27.158.1.635: udp 88 (DF) |
| 16:12:55 | AlHazWork | 11:13:54.472442 eth0 < 172.27.158.2.672 > 172.27.158.1.635: udp 88 (DF) |
| 16:13:04 | andersee | AlHazWork: It was recently noticed that signals appear to be one-shots at the moment (since my major header file re-work it seems). |
| 16:13:26 | AlHazWork | andersee: at about 440kbps |
| 16:13:35 | andersee | AlHazWork: I was going to look into it yesterday, but didn't get a chance (but I sure got a lot of paying work done) |
| 16:13:47 | AlHazWork | andersee: paying work is good |
| 16:14:18 | AlHazWork | I'm using the pivot_root setup in linuxrc to do this, occasionally it will successfully mount root and work |
| 16:14:25 | AlHazWork | usually it doesn't |
| 16:14:36 | andersee | AlHazWork: I'll try to finish up reworking the uClibc signal code -- hopefully today... |
| 16:15:14 | andersee | AlHazWork: Of course, this would have been done a month ago if a certain company that alledgedly does embedded was still employing me. ;-) |
| 16:16:12 | andersee | AlHazWork: they instead seem to be spending their money disabling ports on the firewall |
| 16:16:14 | andersee | :-) |
| 16:16:40 | AlHazWork | I Don't grok the firewall rules at all |
| 16:16:47 | AlHazWork | I just do everything I used to do through an ssh tunnel |
| 16:16:53 | AlHazWork | so what have they accomplished? |
| 16:19:00 | AlHazWork | the major difference is now they can't see what I'm doing because it's encrypted |
| 16:19:11 | Tangent | is forced into doing analog electronics.. Yeurgh |
| 16:19:36 | prpplague | one dlink 802.11b cf card on the way |
| 16:27:18 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: The TS is interrupt driven.... |
| 16:37:04 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 16:38:07 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: I think the next step is to distribute this SIB patch to the world, and see if these patterns continue |
| 16:40:20 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: Sounds good, this must be the right area |
| 16:42:43 | AlHazWork | SIB? |
| 16:43:00 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: are you one of the touchscreen haves or have nots? |
| 16:43:47 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: i think he is a have not |
| 16:43:54 | CosmicPenguin | ok... |
| 16:44:16 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: We seem to have discovered a few things.... well, actually SpaceCoaster discovered a few things.... |
| 16:44:20 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: he thinks tim did that deliberately :-) |
| 16:44:47 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe we should hold him hostage for uclibc C++ code?? |
| 16:45:10 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: WE sounds better |
| 16:45:46 | scanline | is away: class |
| 16:45:51 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Anyway, the touchscreen lock up is because the CWC bit in the MSCR register is never set |
| 16:46:15 | CosmicPenguin | However, on my box (with working TS), the CWC bit is always set, even though it should be cleared on read... |
| 16:46:16 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: ok, what do these acronyms mean? |
| 16:46:34 | bizz | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:46:42 | SpaceCoaster | no, CRC, we are trying to read, I too have the CWC |
| 16:46:53 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Oh... |
| 16:47:03 | SpaceCoaster | CRC = read complete, CWC = write complete |
| 16:48:04 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so then we haven't discovered jack..... |
| 16:48:10 | SpaceCoaster | they set when reading/writing the codec (UCB1200) registers |
| 16:48:47 | CosmicPenguin | <--- sheepishly withdraws into the night |
| 16:52:46 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: come back, I think we have made progress, tho my head hurts at the moment |
| 16:58:26 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: have nots I'm afraid |
| 17:00:04 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Ok, just checking... :) |
| 17:14:57 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: damn, damn, damn, damn, you're right |
| 17:15:21 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: ? |
| 17:16:00 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:38:56) |
| 17:16:11 | SpaceCoaster | the MCP mode is enabled/disabled around each call to read/write_codec |
| 17:16:55 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: is that a good thing? |
| 17:17:02 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Disappointing huh? |
| 17:17:17 | andersee | hasn't read the ucb1200 docs |
| 17:17:58 | SpaceCoaster | thus the /proc shows 0x47f7f, !MCE, whilst the driver has MCE |
| 17:18:37 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Yep.... |
| 17:19:24 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: hi, just the facts...we are not talking to the UCB1200 properly, the CRC bit (read complete) is never set, hence we hang |
| 17:20:09 | SpaceCoaster | in addition the CWC bit doesn't clear when we read data. |
| 17:20:17 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: Hmm. sounds like you may be on to something then... |
| 17:20:36 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: I hope fixing that will fix my phone |
| 17:21:10 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: I've been too busy to take a look, so I'm _very_ glad that you are |
| 17:21:19 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoastSpaceCoaster: Now I'm confused.... the CWC shouldn't clear on read, should it? |
| 17:21:31 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: I think so, this backlight and the touchscreen are the only bits that mess with UCB1200 |
| 17:22:43 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: no, sorry to confuse, the CWC doesn't work right either, but it is set most of the time, so nothing hangs, otherwise the touchscreen (and not just the backlight) would be hanging too. |
| 17:23:17 | SpaceCoaster | They are separate issues but must be connected |
| 17:23:24 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: But the broken CWC bit is on working machines as well |
| 17:24:03 | SpaceCoaster | oh, well we REALLY must fix it then:-) |
| 17:24:39 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: do you ever see the CRC bit set/clear? |
| 17:25:07 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: from the /proc file, all i see is it clear... But I assume it must clear, because my backlight controls work |
| 17:26:10 | CosmicPenguin | is that clear?? :-) |
| 17:26:34 | SpaceCoaster | change that to "it must set" is THAT clear :-) |
| 17:27:03 | SpaceCoaster | the CRC sets when read is complete!!! |
| 17:28:41 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Thats right.... IT must set |
| 17:30:45 | wej | urgh. |
| 17:31:07 | wej | i've tried a couple of different environments and i can't get the latest CVS tree to build.... |
| 17:31:15 | wej | arm-linux-gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/afs/.xstream/home/wej/tux/buildroot-tux/linux/include -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mno-fpu -c -o entry-armv.o entry-armv.S |
| 17:31:16 | wej | entry-armv.S: Assembler messages: |
| 17:31:16 | wej | entry-armv.S:781: Error: Internal_relocation (type 189) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) |
| 17:31:19 | wej | plus a few more errors. |
| 17:31:22 | wej | based on entry-armv |
| 17:31:23 | wej | .S |
| 17:37:41 | wej | is listening to 'wind beneath my sheets' by pinkard and bowden. |
| 17:38:07 | wej | for those of you who helped me with my wvlan_cs problems.... hehehe... i think i know what i did wrong. i wasn't compiling against uClibc.. |
| 17:38:10 | wej | gonna give it another shot. |
| 17:38:17 | wej | i'll let you know how the linksys 802.11 support goes... |
| 17:56:13 | warlord | Hi, I've got a TuxScreen question, if someone is here? |
| 17:57:10 | warlord | I'm trying to make a backup of Inferno before I load the v0.4 blob. |
| 17:57:15 | warlord | I've already unlocked the Flash |
| 17:57:29 | warlord | However, when I connect via InfernoRemote and rdp, |
| 17:57:42 | boris | heh i never managed to do that, i just zapped inferno off it :) |
| 17:57:43 | warlord | when I give the copy command the system seems to hang. |
| 17:58:10 | warlord | I've tried 'c F!all D!inferno.backup' and it gives me messages as if it's trying to read |
| 17:58:27 | warlord | And it looks like data is coming over the serial connection, too |
| 17:58:42 | warlord | The file 'inferno.backup' is created, |
| 17:58:45 | boris | createas a file of zero bytes and then sits there doing fsck all? cos thats what happened to me, i got restless and bunged linux on it |
| 17:58:49 | warlord | but no data ever appears to be written to it. |
| 17:59:12 | warlord | Yea, |
| 17:59:17 | warlord | it creates a zero-byte file |
| 17:59:21 | warlord | and just sits there. |
| 17:59:31 | warlord | Even after 20 minutes, it's still doing nothing. |
| 17:59:41 | warlord | I have to power-cycle the unit to get out of it, |
| 17:59:55 | warlord | and then I have to connect at 9600 and THEN connect again at 115200. |
| 18:00:02 | boris | simple solutions, dont backup inferno :) |
| 18:00:05 | warlord | Moreover, I have to restart Inferno on my backup too. |
| 18:00:09 | warlord | :P |
| 18:00:14 | warlord | Yea, I guess. |
| 18:00:25 | warlord | Not an option I really like, :( |
| 18:01:04 | boris | well let me put it this way, i have yet to wait for the day that i yearn to install inferno again, linux is just too cool :) |
| 18:01:31 | warlord | laughs |
| 18:01:35 | warlord | Fair enough. |
| 18:02:02 | warlord | Ok, you've sold me.. Let me update to blob :) |
| 18:02:09 | boris | seriously, ok linux doesn't do all the dsp stuff yet so as a phone book it's not as useful, but progress is being made and it's turning into a nice little system |
| 18:02:14 | boris | :) |
| 18:06:37 | warlord | Um.. |
| 18:06:46 | warlord | It appears I just fried it. |
| 18:07:09 | boris | uh, how? |
| 18:07:16 | warlord | I copied in the blob |
| 18:07:26 | warlord | But now it doesn't do anything. |
| 18:07:32 | warlord | When I power up |
| 18:07:36 | warlord | and it's connected with minicom, |
| 18:07:43 | warlord | I get a bunch of garbage |
| 18:08:04 | andersee | warlord: 115200 |
| 18:08:18 | boris | if you are using blob 0.4 make sure that it's set to 115200 |
| 18:08:24 | warlord | AHHHH |
| 18:08:31 | boris | and you have software *and* hardware flow control turned off |
| 18:08:33 | warlord | That wasn't in the instructions anywhere :) |
| 18:08:40 | boris | yes it was |
| 18:08:45 | boris | at the bottom of the page :) |
| 18:09:49 | warlord | WooHoo!! "Consider yourself LARTed!" |
| 18:10:16 | warlord | Which page? |
| 18:10:42 | boris | InstallingLinux i think |
| 18:11:17 | boris | EricAdles adds: |
| 18:11:17 | boris | The blob in the V0.4 folder uses a 115200 baud connection. This simplifies Tim's directions above because there is no need to switch speeds in minicom. |
| 18:11:38 | boris | CosmicPenguin: just getting buildroot going :) |
| 18:11:55 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Cool.... I will check in the Microwindows additions here presently... |
| 18:12:15 | warlord | Ahh, so it is.. |
| 18:12:21 | warlord | must be blind |
| 18:13:35 | boris | CosmicPenguin: does the buildroot currently include the backlight patches? |
| 18:13:48 | boris | CosmicPenguin: and will it download and sort out MW for me? |
| 18:15:06 | CosmicPenguin | boris: no to the first answer, yes to the second |
| 18:15:06 | boris | k |
| 18:16:31 | warlord | Do you recommend using tuxscreen-image or microwin-image from 0.4? |
| 18:16:31 | boris | try the microwindows snapshots |
| 18:16:31 | boris | you'll then find out if you touchscreen works under linux |
| 18:16:38 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: Only difference is the GUI - plus it doesn't try to set up the NFS mount in /linuxrc like the other image does... |
| 18:17:54 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: that needs to be changed to look for nextserver and filename from udhcp and if and only if you get one try the nfs pivot_root |
| 18:19:10 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Yeah, I was lazy... does the current linuxrc do that now? |
| 18:19:20 | warlord | Ok, loading microwin-image from 0.4 |
| 18:19:46 | warlord | needs to get a cross-compile environment setup |
| 18:19:56 | warlord | Then again, I should probably upgrade from RH6.2 to something more recent :) |
| 18:21:57 | boris | !addquote <giblet> >:) <subpop> tom: thinking aboot a purchase eh? <giblet> sure am! <subpop> not that much material available I suppose <schmoo> and does it come crotchless is the question <schmoo> shit <schmoo> that was outloud |
| 18:23:10 | boris | ewps, wrong channel |
| 18:23:53 | CosmicPenguin | Wow... I should be in that channel... :) |
| 18:24:46 | boris | ehehee |
| 18:24:58 | warlord | Heh |
| 18:25:39 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: not yet, but Russ added the required support to udhcpc |
| 18:26:52 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Ok... I would rather not change any of the base skel files if I don't have to, so I will |
| 18:27:01 | CosmicPenguin | wait for a common linuxrc that we can all use... |
| 18:30:17 | warlord | Ok, it booted. I have a login prompt on the serial connection. |
| 18:30:43 | warlord | The screen says "Welcome to TuxScreen! \ Please click on each of the points to calibrate..." |
| 18:30:55 | warlord | However if I touch the corner it does nothing. |
| 18:31:05 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: DOH! |
| 18:31:16 | boris | oook |
| 18:31:40 | boris | thats bad =( |
| 18:32:12 | andersee | warlord: you have a phone with a non-working under Linux touchscreen. Like me. |
| 18:32:22 | warlord | Grf. |
| 18:32:37 | warlord | I could always go try my second one and see if that one works :) |
| 18:33:10 | warlord | What information do people want considering the 'non-working-ness' of my touch screen? |
| 18:34:00 | AlHazWork | good question |
| 18:34:04 | andersee | warlord: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//TouchScreen |
| 18:34:10 | AlHazWork | the serial numbers don't seem to be showing us a pattern |
| 18:35:27 | warlord | I'm not even sure which number is the serial number ;) |
| 18:36:11 | warlord | can read now |
| 18:36:24 | warlord | FTR, the S/N ends with 3730 |
| 18:53:46 | warlord | Ok, let's try with 3335 |
| 18:55:29 | Russ | BZFlag: test it yet? |
| 18:55:58 | warlord | I'm currently downloading the kernel and initrd |
| 18:57:34 | BZFlag | Russ: still no. I'm a lamer huh? |
| 18:59:13 | warlord | OBTW: I soldered some aligator clips onto the leads from a N-size battery holder, and I clipped some paperclips to the aligators and touched the board with the paperclips... All to unlock the flash. :) |
| 18:59:55 | warlord | I couldn't find any real headers to use ala the pix. |
| 19:00:18 | Russ | BZFlag: 0.9.6 is probably autobuild for arm by now |
| 19:00:24 | Russ | er, autobuilt |
| 19:00:58 | other | BZFlag: can you tell me if my and a friend's units shipped alright? [both should be for Lansing, MI area.] |
| 19:04:23 | scanline | is back (gone 02:18:37) |
| 19:07:54 | BZFlag | other: email Sales@TuxScreen.net with the addresses and I'll look em up when I get home. |
| 19:08:47 | BZFlag | all orders I got up till monday night shipped on or before tuesday. |
| 19:09:09 | BZFlag | Just got an order for 32 phones to korea. |
| 19:09:16 | warlord | WooHoo!! 3335 works! |
| 19:10:39 | GoRK | BZFlag: did they happen to be going to GMate or Tred Lim? |
| 19:11:25 | GoRK | BZFlag: If so that would be really great news |
| 19:11:56 | GoRK | since they write the ucb1200 kernel stuff heh |
| 19:12:42 | prpplague | GoRK: you know the gmate guys? |
| 19:12:45 | warlord | Interesting. It appears that I can get this box to repeatedly crash |
| 19:12:55 | GoRK | prpplague: no i was just reading code :) |
| 19:13:03 | prpplague | GoRK: ahh |
| 19:13:10 | prpplague | likes his yopy |
| 19:13:14 | GoRK | they have some cool stuff though |
| 19:16:51 | boris | is the yopy any good? |
| 19:17:01 | boris | and has it been released yet? |
| 19:17:43 | prpplague | boris: they're going to re-release in october some time |
| 19:17:55 | boris | cool |
| 19:18:03 | boris | is it a powerful little device? |
| 19:18:15 | prpplague | boris: the hardware is pretty nice, the software needs some work |
| 19:19:11 | boris | cool |
| 19:19:22 | BZFlag | GoRK: nope, some user's group in Korea combined orders to save shipping. |
| 19:19:48 | prpplague | boris: they are still using ext2 for the rootfs |
| 19:20:23 | BZFlag | prpplague: not on my Yopys ;-) I run one jffs2 partition. more space and less mess. |
| 19:20:53 | prpplague | BZFlag: you do it your self, i've not noticed any jffs2 stuff on the web site? |
| 19:21:15 | BZFlag | I did it myself, yes. I sent the patches to GMate, but they appear to not have a clue. |
| 19:21:51 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Thats been apparent for a while... |
| 19:23:05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd agree with that |
| 19:23:08 | warlord | So snake doesn't seem to work for me.. In particular the arrow keys don't seem to work. Anyone seen this? |
| 19:23:24 | CosmicPenguin | Yep.... Thats the "CosmicPenguin is an idiot" syndrome...... |
| 19:23:58 | CosmicPenguin | Instead, try A S D and W.... |
| 19:24:09 | CosmicPenguin | And beat me over the head until I switch it back to the right way |
| 19:24:23 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: its even more confusing when you are using dvorak |
| 19:24:43 | prpplague | BZFlag: i know your busy, but would you mind emailing me those patches? |
| 19:24:56 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I'll bet... fixing it right now in the code so I don't release a bad version again... |
| 19:25:07 | boris | hrmm |
| 19:25:44 | warlord | you use dvorak, Russ? |
| 19:25:53 | warlord | (thanks, asdw worked) |
| 19:26:08 | Russ | aoeui4ever |
| 19:27:00 | warlord | :-P |
| 19:27:23 | prpplague | BZFlag dave123@abcsinc.com if you get time |
| 19:27:25 | warlord | So, I've got one 'screen that works and one that doesn't. |
| 19:27:44 | warlord | I guess this is better than where I was yesterday. |
| 19:27:48 | AlHazWork | quick, reverse engineer both of them so we know what the difference is |
| 19:27:59 | BZFlag | prpplague: have you managed to get a kernel rebuilt for the yopy? you need to change some things in the config on a 2.4.x kernel build first. |
| 19:28:07 | warlord | One is 17.428 grams heavier than the other... |
| 19:28:26 | warlord | ;) |
| 19:28:53 | AlHazWork | I've got one that works, and one that works but has left/right top/bottom flipped |
| 19:29:46 | warlord | Hrm. They both 'work', per se. But the touchscreen part only works on one of them. |
| 19:29:53 | warlord | (Glad I got two) |
| 19:30:02 | Russ | warlord: are you the type that would open it up? |
| 19:30:35 | warlord | Maybe.. If I knew what I was looking for when I was opening it. |
| 19:30:41 | GoRK | warlord: which one is heavier? the one that has the working screen? |
| 19:30:46 | warlord | It also looks like there are a dozen or so screws. |
| 19:30:53 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya i've built a couple, nothing special |
| 19:30:59 | warlord | GoRK -- I don't remember. I weighed them before I started ;) |
| 19:31:43 | GoRK | i can't believe you weighed them.. that is awesome... i wonder if the non working screens are missing some kind of shielding or something else stupid that nobody has notice |
| 19:32:22 | AlHazWork | warlord: you might look at the comm boards, see what's different about them |
| 19:32:39 | AlHazWork | throw 'em both on a flatbed scanner and scan the highest optical rez you can |
| 19:33:10 | warlord | GoRK: I'm kidding.. I didn't actually weigh them. |
| 19:33:35 | warlord | I don't have a scanner. I do have a 1.3mpixel camera, tho. |
| 19:33:38 | GoRK | what? no way. you could have been on to something |
| 19:33:51 | warlord | I still can weigh them, but honestly.... |
| 19:33:56 | GoRK | maybe if this other one of mine has a non working screen i will weigh them for fun |
| 19:34:03 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Do we have a UCB1200 or a UCB1300? |
| 19:34:11 | SpaceCoaster | warlord: damn, i was going to glue a 1/2oz weight to mine to see if that fixed it |
| 19:34:21 | BZFlag | prpplague: the procedure is fairly straight forward. take the rootfs tarball and build a jffs2 image from it. change the kernel compile so that ext2 is a module and jffs2 is built in. |
| 19:34:53 | AlHazWork | could be 17.428 grams of plastic that didn't get ground off . . excess solder . . . etc |
| 19:35:11 | prpplague | BZFlag: thats what i figured, but i'm new at this |
| 19:35:13 | BZFlag | patch the flash partitions so that there is only one mtd fs device. that makes 3 mtd devices iirc. 1 zboot, 2 params, 3 rootfs. |
| 19:35:21 | GoRK | that's still a lot of excess plastic or solder to weigh 17g |
| 19:35:45 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: I think it's a ucb1300 |
| 19:36:25 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhah! |
| 19:36:31 | SpaceCoaster | GoRK: warlord said he didn't really weigh them |
| 19:36:38 | BZFlag | Ahhah? |
| 19:36:42 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhhh.... |
| 19:36:52 | prpplague | i say the problem is Ms.Suzie Trailertrash was doing the assembly got fingernail polish in the circuits somewhere |
| 19:37:14 | Russ | prpplague: it works in inferno |
| 19:38:15 | prpplague | Russ: ohh, i was under the impression some of the screens didn't work right out of the box |
| 19:39:44 | warlord | No. |
| 19:39:49 | BZFlag | prpplague: nope. they all work in Inferno, but some do not yet work under Linux. |
| 19:40:01 | warlord | The "non-working" screen worked fine with Inferno. |
| 19:40:12 | warlord | So, which is the comm board? |
| 19:40:26 | Russ | the top one |
| 19:40:54 | warlord | "top"? |
| 19:40:57 | BZFlag | the large daughter board on top. the main board is under the lower rf shield, the DSP board is under the soldered rf shield. |
| 19:41:31 | Russ | and don't remove the hot glue |
| 19:41:44 | BZFlag | so when you open the phone the only board you can actually see is the io board. |
| 19:42:03 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: If this is a ucb1300, then why don't we set up like the Assabet? |
| 19:42:14 | BZFlag | Russ: hot glue? the only hot glue I've see is on the sodimm. |
| 19:42:21 | Russ | on the wires |
| 19:42:25 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: feel free. ;-) |
| 19:42:28 | Russ | the dangly wires |
| 19:42:47 | BZFlag | Russ: ah. good idea. |
| 19:42:50 | warlord | Ok, I wont remove the hot glue :) |
| 19:43:18 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: What the hell... it probably won't break anything... |
| 19:43:41 | warlord | THere are two board that I see. There is the "Shannon UI Rev C" on the screen-side (which I disconnected) |
| 19:43:53 | warlord | And the "Shannon Main Rev E Issue 3" |
| 19:44:02 | BZFlag | the second. |
| 19:44:23 | warlord | Ahh, ok. |
| 19:44:33 | warlord | Well, Let me put this one back together and open the other one. |
| 19:44:35 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/CommunicationsBoard |
| 19:45:05 | SpaceCoaster | my broken one is a ucb1200 |
| 19:46:12 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: cat you cat /proc/driver/ucb1200/registers? |
| 19:46:33 | SpaceCoaster | not until i put the case back on |
| 19:46:48 | CosmicPenguin | ok |
| 19:47:34 | warlord | Is there something else I should be looking at besides the revision/issue number? |
| 19:47:47 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: My UCB1200 reports that the same version as the UCB1200 spec..... |
| 19:48:23 | BZFlag | hmmm seems to be a ucb1200 on the pictures... I added a few to http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/CommunicationsBoard |
| 19:48:30 | Russ | pcb part number |
| 19:49:28 | warlord | Ok, where can I find that? |
| 19:50:50 | BZFlag | in the pictures above it is ASSY 848036638 |
| 19:51:34 | warlord | That's the number on my board. |
| 19:51:43 | warlord | However, the 'Lucent' tag is different |
| 19:51:46 | warlord | Mine says: |
| 19:51:47 | warlord | Lucent |
| 19:51:53 | warlord | 2746K |
| 19:52:03 | warlord | 98KZ35 |
| 19:52:10 | warlord | (the pics say 98KZ30) |
| 19:54:10 | BZFlag | I have no idea what the 2746k is. thoughts anyone? |
| 19:55:02 | BZFlag | warlord: you could try swapping io boards and see if the broken-ness moves from phone to phone. |
| 19:55:33 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Thatss a good idea! |
| 19:55:46 | warlord | is opening 3335 right now |
| 19:56:20 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Do we know for sure that ADC sync is not turned on? |
| 19:56:30 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: I don't have any idea what that part is . . . |
| 19:57:05 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: bad question - better one: Do we know for sure that the ADC sync should *not* be turned on? |
| 19:57:41 | warlord | On the working one, the board P/N and Rev are the same, |
| 19:57:53 | warlord | but the Lucent thing say 98KZ30 |
| 19:58:12 | warlord | There are also stickers. |
| 19:58:13 | BZFlag | hmmm... that is a bit of a coincidence no? |
| 19:58:32 | warlord | On the working box, the sticker says "SHMN1713943" |
| 19:58:35 | BZFlag | make sure you keep track of which one came from where before you start swapping. |
| 19:58:53 | warlord | On the non-working box, the sticker says "SHMN 3241" |
| 19:59:45 | warlord | Well, I can put the 'non-working' screen on the 'working' box and test that.. |
| 20:00:02 | warlord | I'm not really feeling up to completely ripping the card and wires apart. |
| 20:00:28 | BZFlag | warlord: the io board takes 7 screws and then comes out. |
| 20:00:31 | warlord | (or vice-versa) |
| 20:00:49 | BZFlag | pull the battery leads out (they unhook) and you do not need to solder anything. |
| 20:00:57 | BZFlag | just be careful! ;-) |
| 20:01:15 | BZFlag | but swapping the displays is probably a good first test. |
| 20:01:29 | BZFlag | I expect it will not change things, but... |
| 20:01:47 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: don't know |
| 20:01:51 | BZFlag | there is some electronics attached to the display, so it might. |
| 20:03:41 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone with a broken board wanna try a test? |
| 20:05:50 | warlord | Attaching the screen from the non-working unit onto the working unit resulted in a working unit. This means the problem is NOT in the screen. |
| 20:06:23 | warlord | What's the test, CP? |
| 20:07:15 | CosmicPenguin | Add the line: arch->flags |= UCB1200_ADC_SYNC |
| 20:07:52 | CosmicPenguin | to the shannon init in ucb1200_sa1100.c file... |
| 20:08:37 | warlord | That would presuppose that I have a build environment set up, which I do not. |
| 20:09:01 | warlord | If you want to supply me a new kernel (I'm just using the v0.4 kernel from the site), I'd be happy to try it. |
| 20:09:01 | CosmicPenguin | Ok... no worries.... I just don't have a nonworking tuxscreen I can bang on at the moment... |
| 20:09:18 | prpplague | what is the j602 solder pad for on the main board? |
| 20:09:39 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: sure, I'm game for testing stuff |
| 20:09:53 | warlord | I'm certainly willing to help you too. |
| 20:10:13 | warlord | Russ, BZ, was there any particular parts-swap you wanted me to try? |
| 20:10:16 | AlHazWork | prpplague: you mean where it looks like a header is missing? |
| 20:10:58 | BZFlag | warlord: the next test is to swap io boards. 7 screws, NO cut wires. |
| 20:11:29 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: will you try that line out for me? |
| 20:11:35 | prpplague | AlHazWork: yes |
| 20:11:46 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I presume you want me to also apply the brightness/touchscreen patch? |
| 20:12:08 | AlHazWork | prpplague: nothing that we know of, seems to be hooked up through some buffers to a bunch of gpio pins |
| 20:12:14 | CosmicPenguin | Sure.... but i'd bet that that this affects the touchscreen as well.... |
| 20:12:21 | CosmicPenguin | (if it works) |
| 20:12:34 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 20:12:55 | AlHazWork | prpplague: someone once suggested attaching a pc-style bidirectional parallel port type interface to it, for use with old quickcams |
| 20:12:58 | CosmicPenguin | or not.... yeah, apply the brightness patch |
| 20:12:59 | andersee | How about this. First I'll flash in your MW rootfs into my non-wroking phone |
| 20:13:25 | andersee | Then I'll apply the brightness patch + your one liner |
| 20:13:29 | warlord | BZ: screws removed, but the board doesn't seem to want to come out. |
| 20:13:53 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: all 14 registers return 0xffff |
| 20:13:55 | BZFlag | it's a bit of a delicate operation. |
| 20:14:07 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: you know, we should have the brightness patch in CVS... Just not applied by default |
| 20:14:10 | prpplague | warlord: i had to take the hex screws out of the db9 to make it easier |
| 20:14:19 | BZFlag | warlord: all the cables free now? ie: unscrewed the IR and unclipped the power? |
| 20:14:22 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Its definately broken then.... |
| 20:14:53 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: yeh it would hang but i only let it test CRC 1 million times |
| 20:15:00 | boris | w000h0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 20:15:09 | boris | i got buildroot working :) |
| 20:15:18 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Did you see my one liner? |
| 20:15:24 | andersee | boris: Pretty neat huh? |
| 20:15:37 | SpaceCoaster | no I wuz timed out |
| 20:15:40 | boris | really fucking impressive |
| 20:15:45 | SpaceCoaster | lemme see |
| 20:15:50 | boris | let me try this stuff and see if it boots |
| 20:15:54 | andersee | boris: why thank-you. :) |
| 20:16:09 | boris | andersee: good job my man :) |
| 20:16:13 | CosmicPenguin | Add the line: arch->flags |= UCB1200_ADC_SYNC to the if_machine_shannon() section of ucb1200_sa1100.c |
| 20:16:46 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: it is impressive, ftp, compile etc. cool |
| 20:16:51 | warlord | yea, it's stuck on the db9 right now. |
| 20:16:52 | BZFlag | warlord: progress? 7 screws, then pry the front of the board up. |
| 20:17:26 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Remember that POS MIPS board that i have on my desk? It has a UC1200 in it as well... |
| 20:17:51 | CosmicPenguin | When I turned on the ADC_SYNC, the sucker locked up solid on the touchscreen.... |
| 20:17:58 | boris | andersee: can you add the backlight patch to build root? |
| 20:18:07 | BZFlag | boris: no. |
| 20:18:17 | boris | BZFlag: as a option in the makefile? |
| 20:18:30 | BZFlag | boris: the bl patch locks up on some phones. when it stops locking up, then it will get added. |
| 20:18:31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: But all it took was a 1 resister change, and then you *had* to enable ADC_SYNC.... |
| 20:18:38 | andersee | hmm |
| 20:18:43 | CosmicPenguin | So I'm wondering..... |
| 20:19:04 | BZFlag | boris: that might be a good idea. add the patch but leave the line that applies it commented out. |
| 20:19:14 | andersee | I just added linux-2.4.7.touchscreen.patch to buildroot-tuc/sources |
| 20:19:16 | warlord | Hrm.. I did pull out all the pins from under the board... |
| 20:19:36 | warlord | But I can't seem to get the board _out_ |
| 20:19:41 | warlord | (nor can I get it back in)' |
| 20:19:42 | boris | BZFlag: yep, it thena llows people that dont have screwed tuxscreens to make progress with the userland stuff that can use it |
| 20:19:51 | BZFlag | warlord: be careful of course, but |
| 20:20:09 | BZFlag | I've gotten them out at about a 60 degree angle iirc. |
| 20:20:11 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: If its ok with Russ, I want to change that so that the ioctl calls set the natural range of the brighness / contrast, and not try to normalize it to 0-255.... |
| 20:20:21 | BZFlag | boris: agreed. |
| 20:21:14 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: cvs up and check the patch. I think I checked in your version... |
| 20:21:37 | boris | ok |
| 20:22:31 | boris | now i need to try and get ferite up and running |
| 20:22:47 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: if it isn't your version, feel free to commit an updated patch. |
| 20:22:52 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: still 0xffff with the one liner |
| 20:23:11 | warlord | Ok, the working board is loose. |
| 20:23:30 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 20:23:36 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Damn.... |
| 20:23:53 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: thought I'd make a general interface, probably add some ioctls to return max brightness, etc |
| 20:24:00 | Russ | so the user app can handle scaling on its own |
| 20:24:19 | Russ | or do it all as a struct |
| 20:24:31 | Russ | return/write all values at once |
| 20:24:54 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Then it is still looping at the CRC line, eh? |
| 20:25:03 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Thats a good idea.... |
| 20:25:29 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'll check some stuff in here in a few hours... |
| 20:25:33 | warlord | Which way should I move the I/O board? |
| 20:27:00 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: yeh |
| 20:27:52 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30 |
| 20:27:52 | andersee | pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured |
| 20:27:52 | andersee | UCB1200 generic module installed |
| 20:27:58 | andersee | then it locks solid... |
| 20:28:55 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: It was worth a try.... thanks.... |
| 20:29:20 | BZFlag | warlord: the front is up now and you can see underneath that all the pins are out? |
| 20:29:24 | andersee | Thats not to say adding that is a bad thing. But it isn't enough it seems |
| 20:29:39 | warlord | So, bad-board into good box, or good board into bad box? |
| 20:29:43 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: what are your register values? |
| 20:29:46 | BZFlag | oh, you mean move to which machine? it should now matter. |
| 20:29:50 | BZFlag | er not. |
| 20:29:52 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: for UCB? |
| 20:30:01 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 20:30:07 | BZFlag | move the working to the non-working and it shoulc become working. |
| 20:30:20 | BZFlag | move the non-working to the working and it should become non-working. |
| 20:31:11 | warlord | ok, moved the non-working to the working.. gonna test |
| 20:32:21 | BZFlag | andersee: do you have a working and a non-working? |
| 20:33:05 | boris | Waiting for chip to read, status = 7 |
| 20:33:10 | boris | ^^^^ what does that mean? |
| 20:33:27 | warlord | And it works... |
| 20:33:38 | BZFlag | some jffs2 mount / flash chip issue that I've not yet looked into. |
| 20:33:41 | warlord | Which implies it is NOT something on the I/O board! |
| 20:33:41 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Tis ok, its just a JFFS2 error - only happens the first time |
| 20:33:47 | warlord | (let me try the other side... |
| 20:34:01 | boris | ok |
| 20:34:49 | boris | Linux version 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 (chris@jilted) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #2 Wed Oct 10 21:43:5 |
| 20:34:52 | boris | 3 BST 2001w000h000 |
| 20:34:53 | boris | :) |
| 20:34:54 | BZFlag | hmm... I wonder if there is a sa1100 rev bug that we need to work around? |
| 20:35:19 | boris | mine is rev 9 |
| 20:35:51 | BZFlag | boris: what is rev 9? |
| 20:35:56 | boris | Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 9 |
| 20:36:17 | boris | but i suspect i am talking nonsense |
| 20:36:24 | BZFlag | from cat /proc/cpuinfo or read off the chip? |
| 20:37:23 | warlord | Verified... |
| 20:37:24 | andersee | BZFlag: I have a non-working and an unknown running inferno. |
| 20:37:37 | BZFlag | andersee: ah |
| 20:37:41 | boris | BZFlag: /proc/cpu |
| 20:37:45 | boris | info |
| 20:37:54 | andersee | BZFlag: I've never bothered to unlock the unknown one -- been meaning to though. |
| 20:38:07 | BZFlag | warlord: Verified? the non-working is still non-working even with the new io board? |
| 20:38:31 | warlord | Yep. |
| 20:38:32 | BZFlag | andersee: drop by for lunch sometime. warn me so I bring the dongle in. |
| 20:38:43 | warlord | The working continued to work; the non-working continued to not work |
| 20:38:51 | boris | hmmm |
| 20:38:53 | BZFlag | warlord: cat /proc/cpuinfo on both? |
| 20:38:54 | boris | that interesting :) |
| 20:38:56 | andersee | will do. I have some Lineo hardware I need to return anyways... |
| 20:39:19 | warlord | Standby. |
| 20:39:20 | BZFlag | Mine is the cube that says Erik Andersen on it. ;-) |
| 20:39:32 | andersee | heh |
| 20:39:44 | BZFlag | well, sometimes it says Mike Wilson. ;-) |
| 20:40:26 | boris | heh |
| 20:40:37 | warlord | on the non-working... |
| 20:41:02 | warlord | Processor : Intel StrongARM-1100 rev 9 (v4l) |
| 20:41:02 | warlord | BogoMIPS : 127.38 |
| 20:41:02 | warlord | Hardware : Shannon (AKA: Tuxscreen) |
| 20:41:02 | warlord | Revision : 0000 |
| 20:41:03 | warlord | Serial : 0000000000000000 |
| 20:42:05 | BZFlag | and diff in Processor on the working? |
| 20:42:19 | warlord | On the working... |
| 20:42:25 | BZFlag | also try cat /proc/interrupts |
| 20:42:31 | warlord | Processor : Intel StrongARM-1100 rev 9 (v4l) |
| 20:42:31 | warlord | BogoMIPS : 127.38 |
| 20:42:31 | warlord | Hardware : Shannon (AKA: Tuxscreen) |
| 20:42:31 | warlord | Revision : 0000 |
| 20:42:31 | warlord | Serial : 0000000000000000 |
| 20:42:46 | boris | yeah |
| 20:42:55 | boris | i was going to say that mine says the same things |
| 20:42:56 | BZFlag | warlord: no point it pasting here until you find something different. |
| 20:43:12 | warlord | I've only got one serial cable (and one power cord), so hold on while I switch back and forth. |
| 20:43:15 | warlord | BZ: 'acked |
| 20:45:08 | warlord | Other than use count, /proc/interrupts are the same |
| 20:45:24 | BZFlag | thinks "heh, wedge looks like he's on a vax" |
| 20:46:00 | BZFlag | warlord: bummer. poke around in /proc for other files to see if you can find a different. |
| 20:46:23 | ctr | ok |
| 20:46:24 | ctr | cool |
| 20:46:24 | warlord | um.... |
| 20:46:27 | ctr | am no xchatted |
| 20:46:28 | ctr | :) |
| 20:46:30 | ctr | s/no/know/; |
| 20:46:33 | wedge | heh. |
| 20:46:40 | wedge | 'vax' is actually an UltraAX |
| 20:46:49 | andersee | BZFlag: could you summarize what you have learned thus far on the touchscreen page? |
| 20:47:03 | ctr | warlord: if you want i can check the working and you have a non working and we can go through and test |
| 20:47:08 | wedge | can anyone get the latest cvs tree to build under RH 7.1? |
| 20:47:15 | andersee | i.e. seems not to be a com board issue... |
| 20:47:52 | andersee | wedge: whats the problem? |
| 20:48:17 | warlord | Sure. I've got the non-working up right now. |
| 20:48:24 | ctr | ok |
| 20:48:43 | ctr | warlord: join #tuxscreen_debug |
| 20:48:49 | ctr | so we can paste what we like |
| 20:49:13 | wedge | andersee: i'll show you in a sec. running another make |
| 20:49:45 | wedge | arm-linux-gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/afs/.xstream/home/wej/tux/buildroot-tux/linux/include -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mno-fpu -c -o entry-armv.o entry-armv.S |
| 20:49:46 | wedge | entry-armv.S: Assembler messages: |
| 20:49:46 | wedge | entry-armv.S:781: Error: Internal_relocation (type 189) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) |
| 20:49:50 | wedge | sorry for the spam. |
| 20:49:57 | wedge | i get a lot of entry-armv.S errors |
| 20:50:07 | wedge | like the Internal_relocation one. |
| 20:50:15 | wedge | i've tried this under the 2.4.4 kernel and a 2.4.2 kernel |
| 20:51:03 | andersee | where'd you get your arm-linux-gcc from ? |
| 20:51:10 | andersee | build it yourself? |
| 20:51:16 | wedge | the first link on the wiki page.... |
| 20:51:39 | andersee | handhelds.org? |
| 20:51:46 | wedge | no... |
| 20:51:51 | wedge | it was like a debian page or something. |
| 20:51:53 | wedge | i'm looking for it. |
| 20:52:11 | ctr | i got the handhelds one |
| 20:52:14 | ctr | and it works great |
| 20:52:29 | wedge | www.emdebian.org/crossdev.html |
| 20:52:34 | wedge | i'll snag the handhelds one. |
| 20:52:50 | andersee | I'm using the emdebian one and it works for me... |
| 20:53:55 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: Did you get a part # on the UCB chip by chance? |
| 20:54:26 | wedge | bummerz. |
| 20:54:40 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Check the new screenshots on http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/CommunicationsBoard |
| 20:54:58 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: they are nice and clear and high res |
| 20:55:07 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: working or non working board? |
| 20:55:46 | andersee | ask BZ |
| 20:55:56 | wedge | sees nada. |
| 20:55:56 | andersee | He just posted the pics |
| 20:56:14 | wedge | man. |
| 20:56:17 | wedge | i do *not* wanna go back to work. |
| 20:56:19 | wedge | argh. |
| 20:56:55 | wedge | andersee: is there any chance in hell your kernel and drivers would be more capable of working than mine? :) |
| 20:57:08 | warlord | i think those are working boards... |
| 20:57:29 | warlord | Then again we have determined experimentally that the visible I/O board does not affect the working-ness of the touchscreen |
| 20:57:37 | andersee | Umm. Well, the stuff I posted in downloads/0.4 are known to be working... |
| 20:57:56 | ctr | and also that probing /proc/driver/ucb1200/ locks the machine |
| 20:58:18 | wedge | is that a kernel and root image? |
| 20:58:19 | warlord | probing /proc/driver/ucb1200/io locks the machine |
| 20:58:29 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Are the new pics working or non working? |
| 20:58:30 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: Thats to be expected |
| 20:58:38 | wedge | sweet. |
| 20:59:14 | warlord | probing /proc/driver/ucb1200/adc hangs the first time it is tried, but can be interruped. Future attempts fail. |
| 20:59:30 | warlord | .../interrupts has a zero use-count for both interrupts |
| 20:59:46 | warlord | probing registers also hangs the machine |
| 20:59:48 | andersee | wedge: working in that everything boots and works. But it will not make touchscreens that do not work under Linux work |
| 20:59:55 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: Is your non-working box still open? |
| 21:00:19 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: looks like he want back to work |
| 21:00:20 | warlord | They are both 'open' (none of the screws are in place ;) |
| 21:00:36 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: oh. that was wedge. |
| 21:00:36 | CosmicPenguin | Compare IC300 on the both of them (on the main board) |
| 21:00:50 | warlord | standby |
| 21:01:04 | andersee | warlord: got a nice high rez digital camera? |
| 21:02:01 | warlord | it's decent rez (1280x960, I think) |
| 21:02:10 | warlord | Ok, where on the board in IC300... |
| 21:03:08 | CosmicPenguin | Down and to the left of the serial dongle.... |
| 21:03:54 | CosmicPenguin | Follow C402 and C403 directly down... |
| 21:04:31 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: ever heard of smoothwall? |
| 21:04:42 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: smoothwall? |
| 21:04:50 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: http://www.smoothwall.org |
| 21:05:06 | warlord | This is under the shielding? |
| 21:05:23 | wedge | how do you break the boot again? |
| 21:05:26 | wedge | i always forget... |
| 21:05:30 | CosmicPenguin | opposite the sheilding |
| 21:05:33 | wedge | the docs should add that. |
| 21:05:41 | wedge | it just says 'stop the autoboot, or wait for it to fail' |
| 21:06:06 | warlord | I found that the blob in v0.4 did not fail (or I timed out before it did) |
| 21:06:16 | wedge | how do you break it tho? |
| 21:06:40 | wedge | if you already have linux on it.. i want to break it so i can add a new kernel... |
| 21:06:40 | warlord | hit any key |
| 21:06:42 | wedge | hrm. |
| 21:06:59 | pattieja | is away: bible study + dinner |
| 21:07:05 | wedge | no dice man. |
| 21:07:14 | warlord | I see IC305.. |
| 21:07:15 | andersee | wedge: compare vs the pics on http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/CommunicationsBoard |
| 21:07:36 | wedge | andersee: i can't get that page |
| 21:07:40 | wedge | i tried it earlier when you posted that link. |
| 21:07:49 | wedge | The requested URL /wiki/view/CommunicationsBoard was not found on this server. |
| 21:07:50 | warlord | I see C300 and L300. |
| 21:08:09 | wedge | can anyone tell me how to break autoboot? :) |
| 21:08:24 | andersee | wedge hit space |
| 21:08:24 | warlord | wedge: hit any key while it's showing you the dots. |
| 21:08:26 | warlord | You have to be quick |
| 21:08:32 | andersee | you have 3 seconds |
| 21:08:42 | wedge | I don't see dots.... |
| 21:09:03 | ctr | wedge: on the serial console |
| 21:09:09 | wedge | i'm looking at the serial console. |
| 21:09:16 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: move up and left roughtly 45 degrees from C300 and L300 |
| 21:09:34 | CosmicPenguin | Should be the only IC aroudn |
| 21:09:36 | andersee | wedge: I followed the link at the top of http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/changes.php and that took me to the CommunicationsBoard page with the pics |
| 21:09:42 | wedge | i never get dots. it goes straight into the boot monitor. |
| 21:09:44 | wedge | wtf? |
| 21:10:03 | warlord | Ahh, there it is.. |
| 21:10:11 | warlord | UCB1200BE, I think it says. |
| 21:10:23 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: Is that the working or not working board? |
| 21:10:43 | wedge | man. i remember i used to get the little dots. now nada |
| 21:10:45 | warlord | Doesn't matter... |
| 21:10:56 | CosmicPenguin | Both have the same chip? |
| 21:10:57 | warlord | It will work if I plug it into the working base unit |
| 21:11:08 | warlord | And it wont work if I plug it into the non-working base unit |
| 21:11:32 | wedge | maybe it's because i'm using the reset button? |
| 21:11:55 | wedge | ARGH |
| 21:11:57 | wedge | no dots. |
| 21:11:59 | wedge | what the hell can i do? |
| 21:12:07 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: So the board that this UCB1200 is on works if you press it into the right unit? |
| 21:12:13 | warlord | And for the record, both cards have the UCB1200BE |
| 21:12:22 | warlord | CP: Yes |
| 21:12:31 | CosmicPenguin | Ok..... So it is definately *NOT* the UCB1200 thats freaking out on us.... |
| 21:13:00 | warlord | As far as I can tell the only difference between working and non-working is what's under the shielding. But I have not yet unscrewed the shielding. |
| 21:13:03 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: it;s something between us and the ucb causing it to phreak out |
| 21:13:23 | wedge | ah. |
| 21:13:28 | wedge | had to set my baudrate back to 9600 i think. |
| 21:13:30 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Its gotta be a processor problem |
| 21:13:33 | wedge | yeah. that was it. |
| 21:13:34 | wedge | hehehehe. |
| 21:13:45 | warlord | slaps warlord around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:13:49 | warlord | slaps wedge around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:13:51 | warlord | oops |
| 21:13:52 | warlord | :) |
| 21:13:53 | wedge | heheeh. |
| 21:13:54 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: so hrmmm |
| 21:14:03 | wedge | give me some slack here, man. i'm totin an ECG. |
| 21:14:12 | andersee | The new blob is 115200 only, the older blob was 9600 + baud switching for downloads |
| 21:14:47 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: what could be the issue? a hardware bug? |
| 21:14:55 | warlord | Ok, next time I'll slap with a small trout ;) |
| 21:15:14 | warlord | A hardware bug that Inferno works around? |
| 21:15:15 | wedge | heh. |
| 21:15:26 | ctr | yeah |
| 21:15:47 | ctr | or where inferno does a different inti sequence |
| 21:16:06 | warlord | Hrm, could be. Perhaps an interrupt being masked? |
| 21:16:16 | andersee | Man, I wish we had a full copy of the shannon inferno source code! |
| 21:16:22 | warlord | Maybe the startup sequence would show something different? |
| 21:16:27 | ctr | andersee: how mcuh does it cost? |
| 21:16:46 | ctr | andersee: or rather is there any means to get our hands on it? |
| 21:16:52 | andersee | I don't think it is for sale. I thik philips has deep-sixed it. |
| 21:17:02 | ctr | crap |
| 21:17:06 | scanline | Anyone here have access to a good logic analyzer? |
| 21:17:11 | ctr | hrmm, no one on the inside can get their hands on it |
| 21:17:13 | ctr | ? |
| 21:17:21 | wedge | i do |
| 21:17:25 | wedge | a kickass logic analyzer. |
| 21:17:29 | scanline | maybe that's the answer |
| 21:17:31 | andersee | If anyone would know, it would be BZ... |
| 21:17:42 | scanline | stick that on the bus, and capture the init sequence |
| 21:17:56 | scanline | might help for figuring out the DSP as well... |
| 21:18:00 | wedge | scanline : if i weren't playing hookie i'd take my tuxscreen in and slap it on the analyzer. |
| 21:18:01 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: I keep wondering if they left a pin floating by accident or something.... |
| 21:18:12 | CosmicPenguin | And the inferno guys caught it |
| 21:18:46 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: i would say that the incosistancy is probably a manufacuring screw up somewhere with some clever work around |
| 21:19:50 | warlord | Perhaps I should look under the covers? |
| 21:19:59 | ctr | coudl do |
| 21:20:49 | ctr | warlord: might be interesting |
| 21:23:29 | warlord | Well, there are a bunch of chips on one side, and the pcmcia and memory cards on the other... |
| 21:25:26 | warlord | I'm not really sure what to look for.. |
| 21:25:58 | ctr | heh |
| 21:26:01 | ctr | neither do i |
| 21:26:36 | warlord | I suppose I could take pix, but I dont have an account on wiki |
| 21:27:04 | andersee | you could email |
| 21:27:29 | andersee | you could email 'em to BZflag or me or Cosmic. |
| 21:27:40 | andersee | Or you could just register for an account |
| 21:28:29 | warlord | Well, I have an account now :) |
| 21:29:25 | mallum | BZFlag: your the author of 'BZFlag' right ? |
| 21:30:41 | warlord | How does one upload an image? |
| 21:31:29 | | bzflag is, like, TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 21:31:29 | andersee | ibot: who is bzflag? |
| 21:32:10 | mallum | andersee: but does that mean he's the author .... ? |
| 21:32:29 | andersee | not the original author, but he maintains it now |
| 21:32:46 | mallum | andersee: I only ask cos theres a screen shot off BZFlag in a uk gaming magazine called 'Edge' |
| 21:32:54 | Tangent | Tim Riker is now the BZFlag maintainer |
| 21:33:01 | Tangent | http://bzflag.org/email-author.html |
| 21:33:09 | mallum | andersee: its in an article about this new Nokia set top box thingy |
| 21:33:28 | andersee | cool |
| 21:33:31 | mallum | apparently it comes with the machine |
| 21:34:06 | mallum | when I get a chance I'll scan it in. though I would have thought you could maybe get 'Edge' in the US. |
| 21:36:18 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag comes with the Nokia STB? Kewl~! |
| 21:36:27 | ctr | fun adn games |
| 21:36:29 | ctr | :) |
| 21:36:49 | ctr | hrmm |
| 21:36:52 | ctr | need more disk spac |
| 21:36:55 | ctr | e |
| 21:37:17 | ctr | 21Gb is not enough |
| 21:37:19 | ctr | hrmm |
| 21:37:30 | ctr | i could put a couple of 30Gb drives on here |
| 21:40:21 | Tangent | ctr : I went for IDE RAID solutions for my machines |
| 21:41:11 | scanline | ctr: You're making my 6GB drive look small |
| 21:41:26 | ctr | heh |
| 21:41:29 | warlord | How does one upload an image to wiki? |
| 21:41:35 | Tangent | scanline : I just threw a 6GB drive in my firewall, as it was the smallest spare drive I had |
| 21:41:40 | ctr | i need in excess of 100Gb of space to play with :) |
| 21:41:50 | andersee | ctr: on your phone? |
| 21:41:51 | warlord | I've only got 30G in my laptop. |
| 21:41:54 | scanline | Tangent: I have a 0.5GB in my firewall |
| 21:42:07 | Tangent | ctr : You ripping DVDs or something? |
| 21:42:08 | ctr | andersee: yep :) |
| 21:42:15 | scanline | Well, the 6GB drive is all my desktop has. But my laptop has 10GB |
| 21:42:16 | ctr | Tangent: not at the moment |
| 21:42:20 | scanline | and I have a file server with 52GB |
| 21:42:26 | scanline | and 40GB firewire drive |
| 21:42:27 | ctr | Tangent: but it would allow me a lot of leg room to play |
| 21:42:45 | Tangent | ctr : I dropped 4x46GB drives in my two main machines about 18 months ago |
| 21:42:53 | Tangent | ctr : It's great :) |
| 21:43:15 | warlord | Hey, you can build a 1+TB Raid FileServer for under $5k! |
| 21:43:20 | ctr | Seagate Barracuda ST340016A 40GB 8.9ms 7200RPM 2MB |
| 21:44:13 | ctr | now |
| 21:44:25 | ctr | i can get a 80Gb version for less than two 40Gb drives |
| 21:44:29 | ctr | what should i go for |
| 21:44:37 | ctr | (assumming i aint going to be raiding them) |
| 21:46:04 | warlord | So, any ideas how to upload images to wiki? |
| 21:46:37 | ctr | fraid not |
| 21:46:46 | Tangent | maxtor have got their new 160GB drives out now |
| 21:46:48 | BZFlag | is back |
| 21:47:03 | Tangent | I've never had a problem with Maxtor drives... at all... ever |
| 21:47:08 | ctr | i dont like maxtor really |
| 21:47:25 | BZFlag | So they put BZFlag on the Nokia? I told them they could, but they should send me a free unit to test. ;-) Thye never did. =( |
| 21:47:28 | andersee | So how are you planning on hooking up these driver? |
| 21:47:43 | ctr | i have an ata66 controller card |
| 21:47:51 | BZFlag | any ts progress? |
| 21:48:48 | warlord | BZ: How do I upload images to the wiki site? |
| 21:49:07 | warlord | I wanted to upload the images of the two main boards... not that I can really see any differences |
| 21:51:59 | BZFlag | warlord: got a SF account? |
| 21:53:00 | warlord | Somewhere, yea. |
| 21:53:30 | andersee | latr all |
| 21:53:38 | andersee | back latr tonight |
| 21:54:31 | warlord | Yep, I even remember my name and password :) |
| 21:55:47 | ctr | has a sf.net account |
| 21:55:47 | BZFlag | find it and email the account name to me and I can set you up to be able to upload images. |
| 21:55:50 | ctr | is 'boris' |
| 21:56:14 | warlord | mit_warlord |
| 21:56:23 | BZFlag | ctr: you were going to get the AlHaz's cio10t no? He has other offers now, better do it soon. |
| 21:56:26 | warlord | (or do you really want email? ;) |
| 21:56:38 | wedge | man. |
| 21:56:51 | wedge | the kernel i'm using has hermes and orinoco statically compiled into it. |
| 21:56:53 | BZFlag | has a mit t-shirt on right now. |
| 21:56:53 | warlord | something wrong, wedge? |
| 21:56:54 | ctr | BZFlag: nah i dont need it |
| 21:56:59 | wedge | cardmgr sees my card... cardctl status says it's ready. .ident knows exactly what it is.... |
| 21:57:04 | ctr | BZFlag: because i got a network card with my order |
| 21:57:17 | warlord | Cool, BZ. WHich one? |
| 21:57:18 | BZFlag | AlHaz: you hear that? ctr said to go ahead and sell it to somebody else. ;-) |
| 21:57:38 | BZFlag | red/blue background with MIT in white. |
| 21:57:39 | wedge | so i do what.. edit /etc/pcmcia/config to point to whatever the driver is compiled in the kernel? |
| 21:57:56 | ctr | BZFlag: you sold me one of yours :) |
| 21:58:03 | BZFlag | lived in Boston for 8 years, has been to MIT, but never "went" there. |
| 21:58:04 | ctr | BZFlag: ctr == boris |
| 21:58:39 | BZFlag | mallum: is there an Edge web site? |
| 21:59:04 | mallum | has a berkley T-shirt that say 'IBM personal computers now on campus' with a picture of an old 286 on it that he found in a thrift store in sv. |
| 21:59:38 | mallum | BZFlag: dont think so. I know there sister mag in the states is called 'nextGen' so that could have the same article |
| 21:59:38 | wedge | my friend has a shirt from berkley that says 'IP on everything' |
| 21:59:58 | BZFlag | mallum: http://www.edge-online.com/mag.asp?when=now ? |
| 22:00:08 | warlord | Cool.. |
| 22:00:28 | warlord | I spent 6 years at MIT. |
| 22:00:30 | BZFlag | mallum: I still wear my OS2 tshirts from time to time. |
| 22:00:33 | warlord | I've since left. :) |
| 22:00:38 | mallum | BZFlag: yep thats it |
| 22:00:40 | warlord | (sort of) |
| 22:00:54 | mallum | BZFlag: I can scan the article in for you if you want |
| 22:01:00 | warlord | I wish I could see a major difference between my two main boards, tho |
| 22:01:05 | mallum | BZFlag: if you can wait a couple of days |
| 22:01:06 | BZFlag | mallum: which issue was it? |
| 22:01:26 | BZFlag | I would like a scan if you get to it. just mail it to me if you get the chance. |
| 22:01:58 | wedge | man. |
| 22:02:00 | wedge | i'm getting close. |
| 22:02:03 | mallum | BZFlag: it the issue after the one pictured on the site, #103 - it has a pict of a nintendo gamecube on the black cover |
| 22:02:07 | wedge | eth0: Firmware ID 1F vendor 0x3 (Samsung) version 0.08 |
| 22:02:09 | wedge | eth0: Ad-hoc demo mode supported. |
| 22:02:11 | wedge | Kernel panic: insw: bad buffer alignment (0xd00d7545, lr=0xC01392A4) |
| 22:02:26 | warlord | They are both Rev E Issue 3 Main Boards :( |
| 22:02:27 | mallum | I have a T-shirt that says 'Perl is my Bitch - use strict;' |
| 22:02:28 | wedge | why does the modprobe try to load the orinoco module tho if kernel support is built-in? |
| 22:02:41 | mallum | I plan to chnage it to 'Perl is a bitch - use Python' |
| 22:03:13 | wedge | larry wall lives about 3 blocks from me. |
| 22:03:19 | warlord | Because cardmgr doesn't expect modules to be in the kernel. |
| 22:03:24 | scanline | whoa. that's dangerous |
| 22:03:26 | mallum | I dont think larry likes them T-shirts |
| 22:03:31 | wedge | larry's weird as hell. |
| 22:03:37 | wedge | i had dinner with him 3 years ago. |
| 22:03:38 | wedge | he and his wife. |
| 22:03:46 | mallum | scanline: it will be if I wear it to a Perl mongers meet |
| 22:03:48 | wedge | he's pretty much deaf in one ear.. and he talked a lot about religion and linguistics. |
| 22:03:48 | warlord | I know Tom much better than I know Larry |
| 22:04:07 | ctr | Tom who? |
| 22:04:12 | warlord | Tom Christiansen |
| 22:04:15 | mallum | wedge: yeah I bet he's a interesting guy |
| 22:04:17 | ctr | ahh |
| 22:04:20 | warlord | (Although I probably misspelled his name) |
| 22:04:34 | ctr | i'd like to be an interesting guy |
| 22:04:50 | wedge | was wild... his wife cracked me up. he was badmouthing NT and how he hated writing stuff for it... and his wfie mentioned that the peecee in the kitchen was running NT.. he got pissed and said it was because O'Reilley wanted him to work on something NT/per |
| 22:05:06 | warlord | LOL |
| 22:05:07 | wedge | i almost coughed up thai noodles. |
| 22:05:12 | ctr | In Software Recommendations: FrontPage 2002 |
| 22:05:20 | mallum | I just got 300$ of oreilly books for free ;) |
| 22:05:20 | wedge | so i ask him what he's working on next.. this was back in 99 |
| 22:05:34 | wedge | he says he's working on a boook on how a conservative christian can believe in the theory of evolution. |
| 22:05:44 | warlord | BZ: Any other suggestions for things to look at before I close up the boxes? |
| 22:05:45 | mallum | they've gotta sort Perl out in version 6 |
| 22:05:49 | wedge | he goes to church practically across the street from me. |
| 22:05:56 | mallum | its becoming some sort of mad meta language |
| 22:06:07 | mallum | a language you use to write other languages in |
| 22:06:12 | wedge | heh. |
| 22:06:13 | wedge | yeah. |
| 22:06:17 | ctr | mallum: perl 6 scares me |
| 22:06:36 | ctr | i think i am just going to keep plodding along with ferite |
| 22:06:46 | ctr | and ferite is, imho, far more sane than perl 6 |
| 22:06:50 | ctr | infact |
| 22:07:00 | BZFlag | warlord: can you read the print on the sa1100 and confirm they are the same? |
| 22:07:01 | ctr | i'd go as far to say that cobol is more sane tan perl 6 |
| 22:08:12 | wedge | eth0: Ad-hoc demo mode supported. |
| 22:08:12 | wedge | Kernel panic: insw: bad buffer alignment (0xd00d7d45, lr=0xC01392A4) |
| 22:08:16 | wedge | sooo... close.... |
| 22:09:39 | warlord | Um, hold on... |
| 22:09:47 | warlord | (There are stickers on them) |
| 22:11:10 | wedge | stickers? |
| 22:11:10 | wedge | eh? |
| 22:11:43 | wedge | man. this ecg is like luggin around a 286 |
| 22:11:46 | wedge | frickin bigass hewlett packard thing. |
| 22:12:19 | warlord | BZ.. |
| 22:12:22 | wedge | www.leisuretown.com |
| 22:12:34 | BZFlag | warlord: yeah? |
| 22:12:37 | warlord | Both say "DE-S1100-AA" |
| 22:12:48 | BZFlag | bummer no diff there either. |
| 22:12:51 | warlord | The stickers say different things. |
| 22:13:06 | warlord | T1B1S4 (second 1 and 4 hand-written) |
| 22:13:11 | warlord | and T1B3S1 |
| 22:13:15 | ctr | hrmm |
| 22:13:27 | ctr | which ones belong to which? |
| 22:13:33 | ctr | ie which one is the one that works? |
| 22:13:36 | warlord | 3S1 works |
| 22:13:40 | mallum | wedge: what is leisuretown ??? |
| 22:14:05 | warlord | Ooh... |
| 22:14:18 | warlord | The working one says "JD2476" |
| 22:14:20 | wedge | just read it :) |
| 22:14:27 | warlord | The non-working says "JD2504" |
| 22:15:02 | warlord | (I'm not 100% sure the 'working' is JD. I can make out the 'D' -- the 'J' is covered so it could be anything) |
| 22:15:13 | BZFlag | the T1B1S3 one on the web site is a non-working. |
| 22:15:15 | mallum | wedge: I dont get it ??? |
| 22:15:41 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/img/mvc-624f.jpg <- non-working. |
| 22:15:58 | wedge | read the QA Confidential article. |
| 22:15:59 | wedge | you'll get it :) |
| 22:16:44 | warlord | Hrm, My T1B1S3 does work.. |
| 22:16:58 | warlord | But the JD number is different. |
| 22:17:35 | warlord | Perhaps the JD number is more important than the T1B number? |
| 22:17:56 | warlord | My non-working is JD2504, the mvc-624f is JD2500... |
| 22:18:02 | warlord | My working one is 2476... |
| 22:18:12 | warlord | Perhaps there is something between the 24xx and 25xx series? |
| 22:19:22 | ctr | what about the 8=98xx number? |
| 22:20:05 | warlord | Hold on... |
| 22:21:39 | warlord | working: "S 9806", non-working: "S 9804" |
| 22:21:49 | mallum | wedge: its neverending ... |
| 22:24:06 | wedge | yeah it is. |
| 22:24:16 | wedge | it's worth it tho |
| 22:24:19 | wedge | read it all the way through to the end |
| 22:24:21 | wedge | it gets kinda dark. |
| 22:25:06 | mallum | somebody has put alot of time into it |
| 22:26:34 | AlHazWork | that's probably a date code |
| 22:26:50 | wedge | ok. phew. sent a letter to the boss. |
| 22:26:56 | AlHazWork | usually year/week |
| 22:26:56 | wedge | it says 'staying home after doctor checkup. |
| 22:27:04 | wedge | that can be translated as 'DYING TO WORK ON MY TUXSCREEN' |
| 22:27:16 | wedge | mallum. ah phoeey |
| 22:27:35 | warlord | BZ: Note that my working one is T1B3S1, and the non-working is T1B1S3 |
| 22:28:38 | wedge | man. feeling guilty about not going to work. |
| 22:28:45 | wedge | but.. but... i may make progress with my tuxscreen. |
| 22:29:23 | warlord | Progress?? |
| 22:29:26 | warlord | Is that allowed? |
| 22:29:39 | warlord | needs to setup a ts compilation environment.. |
| 22:31:03 | warlord | Anything else I should look at, Tim? |
| 22:31:10 | wedge | warlord: the buildroot stuff is sweet. |
| 22:31:15 | wedge | i wanna meet the guy that put that together |
| 22:31:16 | wedge | and. |
| 22:31:16 | wedge | well. |
| 22:31:25 | wedge | i'll give him my firstborn. and second. |
| 22:31:28 | wedge | never liked kids. |
| 22:31:30 | warlord | No doubt, wedge.. Is there an arm cross-compile suite for RH 6.2? |
| 22:31:49 | wedge | dunno warlord.. there are rpms at the emdebian page |
| 22:32:02 | ctr | warlord: get the handhelds tar ball |
| 22:32:02 | warlord | nods |
| 22:32:10 | ctr | warlord: thats what i got |
| 22:32:10 | warlord | I'll take a look at some point. |
| 22:32:12 | wedge | yeah. i'm hearing better things about the handhelds link. |
| 22:32:17 | ctr | warlord: and it works like a charm |
| 22:32:19 | warlord | Ok. |
| 22:32:24 | warlord | Sounds like a plan, then :) |
| 22:32:32 | ctr | (i built a kernel and root fs image this evening without any issues) |
| 22:32:42 | warlord | Is there anything else I should look at before I close up the units? |
| 22:33:01 | warlord | does the 'buildroot' build both kernel and root? |
| 22:33:27 | CosmicPenguin | warlord: yep |
| 22:33:52 | warlord | Cool. |
| 22:34:05 | warlord | So, unless there are any other requests, I'm gonna close up... |
| 22:34:07 | warlord | Going once.... |
| 22:34:29 | ctr | heh |
| 22:34:32 | ctr | i am off to bed |
| 22:34:36 | wedge | man. this is like twice now i've played hookie to work on my tuxscreen. |
| 22:34:40 | warlord | Bed!?! |
| 22:34:47 | ctr | it's 20 to one |
| 22:34:47 | warlord | Where are you? |
| 22:34:49 | ctr | uk |
| 22:34:51 | ctr | :) |
| 22:34:53 | warlord | AHH.. |
| 22:35:01 | warlord | Well, next time I get to London (I was there in August) |
| 22:35:05 | warlord | Sleep well |
| 22:35:11 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: i am going to try and get ferite building as an option on buidroot |
| 22:35:40 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Cool... I am itching for some MW bindings |
| 22:35:48 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: that'll be my first job |
| 22:35:55 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: (once ferite is buidling) |
| 22:36:04 | warlord | what is ferite? |
| 22:36:07 | ctr | i'll send you a diff to the Makefile |
| 22:36:13 | ctr | warlord: http://www.ferite.org |
| 22:36:38 | warlord | looking |
| 22:36:52 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: how big can the jffs2 image be? |
| 22:37:02 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: because i'll try and get build root with ferite and mw |
| 22:37:47 | ctr | and get some images and scripts on da web |
| 22:37:52 | ctr | kicks CosmicPenguin |
| 22:38:10 | ctr | warlord: in a nutshells its a small oop scripting engine that i wrote |
| 22:38:21 | ctr | warlord: it has a very clean way of binding to c code |
| 22:38:22 | warlord | Ooh, YOU wrote it.. Cool. :) |
| 22:38:30 | warlord | Neat. |
| 22:38:39 | warlord | I could have used that about, oh, 5 years ago! :) |
| 22:38:43 | ctr | warlord: and cp wants to have mw bindings |
| 22:38:45 | ctr | warlord: ehheeh |
| 22:38:59 | warlord | Anyways... Going Twice... |
| 22:39:02 | ctr | heh |
| 22:39:03 | ctr | gone! |
| 22:39:10 | warlord | indeed... |
| 22:40:18 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, well..... I should probably get going, I've got to clean my house and do lots of hacking tonight.... |
| 22:40:58 | CosmicPenguin | Bye! |
| 22:41:10 | BZFlag | I'm off to box up 32 phones for shipping to Korea in the morning. |
| 22:41:15 | warlord | Ok. |
| 22:41:25 | warlord | I'm off, then... Bye |
| 22:55:11 | wedge | wow... frickin korea. |
| 22:55:14 | wedge | that guy's workin it. |
| 23:02:19 | Tangent | Sure is :) |
| 23:02:52 | prpplague | man that inferno remote is a bitch |
| 23:03:23 | Tangent | Sure is :) |
| 23:08:19 | vosque | I thought it was kinda neat. |
| 23:08:29 | vosque | Just lacking in commands that made any sort of sense. |
| 23:11:16 | prpplague | hey whats the default connect speed for the inferno remote to tuxscreen? 9600 or 115200? |
| 23:20:27 | prpplague | argh i can't seem to get inferno remote to connect |
| 23:28:08 | wedge | i keep trying to reboot my tuxscreen with 'reload' |
| 23:28:17 | wedge | works on ciscos too much. |
| 23:29:55 | prpplague | argh, i hate this, i'm stuck in "software download" |
| 23:46:35 | prpplague | darn, looks like my keyboard batteries are toast |
