| 00:00:13 | as_ | And the box does not have the output enabled by default. Ive had to override the software port control. |
| 00:00:25 | DrXenon | refresh my memory: CAM==smart card and IRD==receiver "box" |
| 00:00:41 | as_ | CI CAM = slot for other peoples encryption systems. |
| 00:00:58 | as_ | ITs a common standard sky doesnt bother following. |
| 00:01:31 | DrXenon | okay. you're sure you can see the whole stream on that port? have you looked at it on a logic analyzer? |
| 00:01:35 | as_ | They dont want their boxes used with other peoples channels, or vice versa. |
| 00:02:41 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/img/newcube.jpg |
| 00:02:46 | as_ | There is at minimum a transport stream in 8bits parallel on that port. I think its the full decoded multiplex, or at the very least the corrent channel is decoded. |
| 00:03:04 | as_ | The annoying thing is its bursted. |
| 00:03:27 | as_ | So the packet clock rate is 10MHz ish. ie 80MBit. |
| 00:04:02 | as_ | This requires at minimum a large FIFO, if I can get the avarage data rate into my PC. |
| 00:04:43 | DrXenon | it makes sense that it would be bursted. i think they steal bandwidth from one channel to encode other, more entropic, channels better. |
| 00:04:58 | prpplague | as_: why not use an ata interface? |
| 00:05:14 | DrXenon | so what you're seeing is probably just one decoded channel. |
| 00:05:17 | Aelhaz | as_: It's so much easier in america, Echostar actually sells pci and pcmcia reciever cards for their services |
| 00:05:23 | as_ | And since the total multiplex data rate is so large, in reality I'll have to peel off packets with the same channel ID, and filter them into a lower bandwidth port, like the LPT port. |
| 00:05:45 | Aelhaz | takes a while to find someone who knows wtf it is, longer to find someone who can sell you one, but they exist |
| 00:05:55 | Aelhaz | pretty sure hughes sells them too |
| 00:06:00 | boris | BZFlag: nice cube |
| 00:06:07 | as_ | prp, Id dearly love to if I knew how. But Ive looked at the ATA specification, and it doesnt seem like a simple task, even though the minimum data rate, at 15MHz clock, I could handle. |
| 00:06:35 | as_ | Aelhaz, sky doesnt unless they can really help it :/ |
| 00:06:36 | BZFlag | boris: thanx. I hacked it myself to have the wrap around desk surface. |
| 00:07:14 | boris | BZFlag: i want that kind of setup here |
| 00:07:17 | DrXenon | might consider scsi. better documented and the devices on the bus have to be less "smart," which simplifies your design task. |
| 00:07:26 | as_ | The only videoguard CI CAM will be sold in italy for the STREAM service. And its not compatable with sky uk's implimentation of videoguard. |
| 00:07:59 | as_ | DrXenon, seriosly, SCSI devices have to be a zillion times more smart than ATA devices :/ |
| 00:08:42 | boris | what does it mean when i get a Waiting for chip to read, status=4 |
| 00:08:52 | DrXenon | pay no attention to me; i am a simple analog guy. |
| 00:08:55 | as_ | Ive also looked at the PCI spec, and its horrible as well. |
| 00:09:22 | DrXenon | sure, pci is baroque but development cards including glue logic are plentiful. |
| 00:09:50 | as_ | My only options currently, are EISA (yes its old and horrible, but its relativly simple to interface compaired say with building a fast breader reactor) and LPT port, which is rather slow. |
| 00:10:23 | as_ | DrX, can you give me some URLs of dev cards for PCI that are cheep enough for me to keep both my kidneys? |
| 00:10:48 | DrXenon | will do. email me: oconnor123@sympatico.ca . |
| 00:11:01 | as_ | Ok, cheers. |
| 00:11:37 | boris | BZFlag: what the situation with regards to the DSP? |
| 00:11:39 | as_ | These guys you speak to about reverse engineering chips, how do they get a track layout, with electron microscopes? |
| 00:11:50 | BZFlag | boris: no progress lately. |
| 00:13:07 | boris | why is it that the stuff being prodiuced like for microwindows kicks the shit out of the inferno stuff (visually) |
| 00:13:09 | Tangent | as_ : Yep.. Electron Microscopes |
| 00:13:20 | boris | i mean the inferno stuff was sofuckingugly |
| 00:13:58 | boris | night all |
| 00:13:58 | DrXenon | as_: like tangent said. see www.chipworks.com or www.semiconductor.com . |
| 00:14:15 | DrXenon | i'm going to take a break for a while. |
| 00:14:47 | as_ | Re. |
| 00:14:55 | as_ | <Tangent> as_ : Yep.. Electron Microscopes |
| 00:15:06 | as_ | my ISP is not being nice to me. |
| 00:16:14 | Tangent | The sillicon gallery on the chipworks site is kinda cool :) |
| 00:16:16 | as_ | Id be very interested to find out the ASIC alg, but I dont think its in any danger of being released. |
| 00:16:51 | as_ | And new unplesent laws would prevent me from making any money from a sky hack anyway. |
| 00:17:51 | Tangent | as_ : No.. they'd only prevent you from making money legally :D |
| 00:17:52 | as_ | IVe just looked at 14.jpg tangent, that your worksurface? |
| 00:18:04 | Tangent | as_ : Yep.. right next to me right now... |
| 00:18:15 | as_ | Its clean compaired to mine. |
| 00:18:27 | Tangent | as_ : I only just got moved in :) |
| 00:18:41 | as_ | Mine looks like an explosion in a shuttle cockpit. |
| 00:20:30 | Tangent | as_ : I tend to get the same way.. I go off at an erm... Tangent way to often with projects |
| 00:21:10 | as_ | I only got a UV exposure unit recently, so far I made one board, a JTAG interface. |
| 00:21:33 | as_ | For all 3 applications I need a different JTAG interface. |
| 00:21:54 | as_ | And the Xilinx one is unreally complicated considering how simple all the other are. |
| 00:21:57 | Tangent | as_ : I don't have an exposure unit.. I used Laser-Printer Press&Peel stuff |
| 00:22:11 | as_ | Ahh. How well does that work? |
| 00:22:14 | Tangent | as_ : So far I only made one board.. 14.jpg |
| 00:22:44 | Tangent | as_ : Works this well... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/11.jpg |
| 00:23:10 | Tangent | as_ : I messed up my first attempt.. but that only cost me one sheet of Press&Peel paper... |
| 00:23:35 | Tangent | as_ : It was the 65 quid kit from maplin |
| 00:24:54 | as_ | Cool. |
| 00:25:24 | as_ | I got my unit and board from RS. |
| 00:25:27 | Tangent | as_ : I priced up the stuff from maplin, and figured it would cost me £400 to get all I needed with UV units etc... |
| 00:25:34 | Tangent | erm.. priced up from RS |
| 00:25:40 | GoRK | BZFlag: are there extra LCD's by chance? |
| 00:26:05 | as_ | They shafted me on the board too. Well over 6 months past its use by date. |
| 00:26:43 | Tangent | as_ : I expect that you'd get on really well with PICs.. particulary if you want 20MHz speeds etc... |
| 00:26:55 | Tangent | as_ : My little board does 2MIPS |
| 00:27:25 | as_ | I need total control at 20MHz. |
| 00:27:46 | as_ | Not even a RISC CPU at 40MHz would give me that. |
| 00:27:50 | Tangent | as_ : 16K flash, 384bytes RAM, 128Bytes EEProm |
| 00:28:04 | prpplague | is trying to see how many times he can reflash the initrd in one day |
| 00:28:12 | as_ | But PICs look very useful for solving certain problems in hardware. |
| 00:28:45 | Tangent | Hrm... actually I lied... It's one instruction per 4 cycles, so 20MHz part is only good for 5MHz stuff really |
| 00:29:25 | as_ | I'm about to build my first homedesign board, a FPGA + about 2MBits of SRAM + a fast ADC. |
| 00:29:45 | Tangent | as_ : The smaller PICs are around £1 each.. 8pin package with built in clock.. 6 I/O lines... I'll never buy another 555 chip again.. and probably never another 7400 series |
| 00:30:11 | as_ | The FPGA is 20 quid, and the ADC is about 25-30 quid. :/ |
| 00:30:33 | as_ | I was thinking about 8MBit of SRAM, which would set me back another 30 quid or so. |
| 00:30:56 | Tangent | as_ : The PICs on my board (16F876) have 6 built in A/D channels each |
| 00:31:07 | as_ | Its a lot for a buffer, but the data rate is rather high. |
| 00:31:31 | as_ | I need much faster ADCs than you get on PICs :/ |
| 00:31:37 | Tangent | Nod |
| 00:31:41 | BZFlag | GoRK: no extra LCDs at present. |
| 00:32:07 | as_ | I'm currently looking at 12bit @ 10 MSps. Which is quite impressive considering. |
| 00:32:14 | GoRK | BZFlag: ok thanks |
| 00:32:30 | as_ | Any higher and you start paying real serios money for the ADCs. |
| 00:33:01 | as_ | Or Id try making my own digital scope. |
| 00:33:25 | Tangent | as_ : Now that would be a worthwhile project to indulge in... |
| 00:33:33 | Tangent | as_ : Oscilliscope conversion for the Tux |
| 00:33:41 | as_ | Haha. |
| 00:33:46 | as_ | That would be cool. |
| 00:34:03 | as_ | But a half decent scope is beyond my abilities. |
| 00:34:30 | as_ | One for Below 1MHz would be doable I think. |
| 00:34:47 | Tangent | as_ : Given another 12 months without going to work, I could probably manage it... but sadly I need to go and earn some more money now |
| 00:35:21 | Tangent | as_ : I built the 5MHz handheld scope kit from maplin.. tho it's started playing up now (2 years old) |
| 00:35:59 | Tangent | as_ : If that can be done as a £120 kit, it can't be too hard to make something better |
| 00:37:23 | Tangent | as_ : I could do with a decent function generator too :) |
| 00:38:28 | as_ | With the chips RS sells, I think a 30Msps scope would be feasable. |
| 00:38:47 | Tangent | as_ : Whitout using SMT stuff? |
| 00:38:58 | as_ | It would use some SMT stuff. |
| 00:39:05 | as_ | But solderable at home. |
| 00:39:19 | as_ | PRovided you dont need to remove chips. |
| 00:39:21 | Tangent | as_ : I keep accedentally buing SMT stuff from RS... Doh |
| 00:39:39 | as_ | You could get a bandwith of around 10MHz with that sample rate. |
| 00:40:12 | as_ | Beyond that a lot of things start casusing problems at the same time. |
| 00:40:51 | Tangent | as_ : I'm more interested in having a huge sample window than high samplerate... I'm not really interested in much above 5MHz |
| 00:41:08 | Tangent | as_ : Need to load it up with a massive buffer :) |
| 00:41:08 | as_ | These FPGas will do up to 60 or 80MHz, but the memory youd be hard pressed to get beyond 30Msps for 8 bit words with 3 banks. |
| 00:41:55 | Tangent | as_ : Even if we load it up with SRAM? |
| 00:42:06 | as_ | That is with SRAM. |
| 00:42:09 | Tangent | as_ : I got so much spare SRAM on old motherboards :) |
| 00:42:39 | as_ | USB 2 will soon alow you to dump into PC memory and to HD at serios rates. |
| 00:42:54 | prpplague | argh, busybox init is driving me nuts |
| 00:42:56 | as_ | You could dump directly to HD at 10Msps easily. |
| 00:43:09 | as_ | Record for like an hour on a big HD haha. |
| 00:43:14 | Tangent | as_ : Maybe that will bring around some cheap scope dongles |
| 00:43:23 | as_ | I think it will. |
| 00:43:43 | as_ | Under 30Msps direct sampling though Id think. |
| 00:44:19 | Tangent | Tho the TuxScope+Function Generator would be sweeter than PC+Dongle :).. Just fit a few BNC sockets on the side :) |
| 00:44:28 | DrXenon | Tangent, do your computers live in that closet? If so, how do you get the video signals all the way over to the desk? |
| 00:44:42 | GoRK | BZFlag: heh here's a guy wanting to unload 6000 LM8V31 displays :) |
| 00:45:20 | sammy | morning |
| 00:45:30 | Tangent | DrXenon : You see those holes in the wall... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/5.jpg ... Now filled with soundproof foam... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/6.jpg |
| 00:45:52 | DrXenon | how long are the cables? |
| 00:46:18 | DrXenon | i just wondered how good the video signal is? |
| 00:46:19 | Tangent | DrXenon : Normal length... The machines used to live under desk.. I have extension for serial port tho' |
| 00:46:20 | as_ | How hot does your computer run? |
| 00:46:43 | Tangent | as_ : That's what the PWM fan control is for... |
| 00:47:07 | Tangent | as_ : I knocked some holes through the wall to the outside world.. no mean feat.. the wall is 0.6M thick |
| 00:47:25 | Tangent | as_ : One fan to bring cold air from outside.. one to take hot air out.. |
| 00:47:26 | as_ | Ahhh. |
| 00:47:30 | as_ | Cool. |
| 00:47:37 | Tangent | as_ : Same for Closet to Office... two fans |
| 00:47:57 | Tangent | as_ : aircon in closet.. but I can blow cold air to the office too... or heat the office using the computers |
| 00:48:21 | Tangent | as_ : Solar panels on the roof for some free power... inverter to make it into mains |
| 00:48:38 | Tangent | as_ : Each light individually controller, can be on/off either inverter or mains |
| 00:49:07 | Tangent | as_ : Analogue inputs to measure charge voltage/current etc etc... PIR sensors to detect when I'm in the room# |
| 00:49:40 | as_ | How much power from the cells in full sunlight? |
| 00:49:49 | DrXenon | disappointing to see all the half-measures you've taken. for shame. |
| 00:49:50 | Tangent | as_ : 106W & 17V |
| 00:50:00 | Tangent | :D |
| 00:50:43 | as_ | Thats quite a lot, how much was the panel? |
| 00:51:09 | Tangent | as_ : Two panels.. around £350ea+VAT when I got them from RS.. but they seem to have gone up now |
| 00:51:26 | DrXenon | RS==Radio Shack? |
| 00:51:28 | Tangent | as_ : I've found 60W panels for £199 since then |
| 00:51:48 | Tangent | RS=Radio Spares (Tho they don't like to be called that anymore).. www.rswww.com |
| 00:52:04 | as_ | I order from them. |
| 00:52:21 | as_ | Expensive, but they do a wide range and fast delivery. |
| 00:52:33 | Tangent | as_ : Gotta hand it to them for a.) Their website.. and b.) delivery |
| 00:53:02 | Tangent | as_ : Their ordering system just encourages me to spend... it remebers everything :) |
| 00:54:26 | as_ | Its quite clever. |
| 00:55:11 | as_ | The last person to call RS radiospares, was twice my age ;] |
| 00:55:40 | Tangent | I like the way I can just add something to my order whenever I think of it, and wait until there's enough there to make it worthwhile.. build up an order over a couple of weeks... |
| 00:55:57 | Tangent | <- 28 |
| 00:56:30 | as_ | I'm 25. |
| 00:59:00 | Tangent | as_ : You work? |
| 00:59:20 | prpplague | <-31 |
| 01:00:12 | as_ | Not currently, for complicated reasons. |
| 01:00:30 | BZFlag | GoRK: how much is he asking? I've got over 900. ;-) |
| 01:00:59 | Tangent | as_ : I'm currently looking... due to quitting my last job to move house/build office etc |
| 01:01:41 | as_ | What is it you normally do? |
| 01:01:44 | GoRK | BZFlag: don't know.. i lost the url already but if you are actually interested, i can look it up again |
| 01:03:00 | BZFlag | GoRK: no. just kidding. though I wonder what happened to the other 2400 phones. |
| 01:03:53 | GoRK | BZFlag: asia, I'd imagine. Maybe news will get back someday.. |
| 01:03:59 | Tangent | as_ : I sell myself as a Firewall/security/cisco guy |
| 01:04:25 | Tangent | as_ : Tho I have scary amounts of W2K knowledge now due to my last job |
| 01:04:27 | GoRK | BZFlag: i was just looking into dropping in a better/brighter display or replacing the inverter/backlight in this one to give more brightness. 55nits is crap |
| 01:04:50 | Tangent | as_ : And I've been using Linux since it came on 11 floppies |
| 01:05:05 | as_ | Thats cool. |
| 01:05:26 | BZFlag | GoRK: yep. they are like 3 years old now. panels have changed a lot in that time period. (or at least pricing) |
| 01:05:29 | Tangent | as_ : I find the security stuff interesting.. and it pays well |
| 01:06:54 | GoRK | BZFlag: yeah.. just that finding something compatible is gonig to be difficult... |
| 01:08:01 | Aelhaz | debian was on 11 floppies not too long ago . . |
| 01:09:18 | as_ | I'm a unix newbie. But I plan to start using it soon. |
| 01:09:24 | Tangent | Erm... 8 or 9 years ago when I first touched linux |
| 01:12:32 | Aelhaz | my first unix was MIPS Co. RISC/os 4.52+, in 1989 |
| 01:12:51 | Aelhaz | which is in no way related to Acorn RISCos |
| 01:13:22 | as_ | NEver tried programming MIPS. |
| 01:13:44 | as_ | I wanted a DEC alpha, and Ive probably said that before. |
| 01:14:10 | Aelhaz | yep |
| 01:16:40 | DrXenon | as_, cesys.com seems to have something up your alley for 350 euros. |
| 01:16:51 | prpplague | as_: i got a multia a few years ago off of ebay |
| 01:16:56 | as_ | Thats not dreadful, cool. |
| 01:17:12 | GoRK | prpplague: did you get it from 'cybin' by chance? |
| 01:17:48 | prpplague | GoRK: no i think was a place called cyberstorm |
| 01:18:17 | GoRK | prpplague: a friend of mine sold a bunch on ebay about 2 or 3 years ago.. was just wondering :) |
| 01:19:04 | prpplague | GoRK: back in 97 at linux expo in raleigh,nc , alan cox told me that there had been several companies that hired homeless people to pull the ram and harddrive out of the multia before the were sold |
| 01:19:07 | BZFlag | l8tr |
| 01:19:35 | GoRK | prpplague: now all he does is buy atari 2600 games |
| 01:19:40 | GoRK | prpplague: hehehe |
| 01:20:04 | prpplague | GoRK: as long as it makes money, and your happy |
| 01:21:01 | prpplague | well, this unit is about to make me go home and drink a bunch of adult beverages |
| 01:22:31 | meatsicle | what is updog? |
| 01:23:42 | DrXenon | does anyone know what became of netwinder's inventory when it went out of business? |
| 01:25:34 | prpplague | DrXenon: its my understanding they didn't have much sa based stuff left, and what they did have they put up on ebay about two or three weeks before they went belly up |
| 01:26:14 | DrXenon | ah. |
| 01:26:43 | DrXenon | that was a cute little box. |
| 01:27:20 | prpplague | DrXenon: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=rebel.com&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 |
| 01:27:41 | prpplague | DrXenon: nothing listed now, but there was a bunch of stuff |
| 01:28:38 | as_ | Thats somthing like 200 quid for a dev board, but thats not bad at all. I will think very seriosly about this. |
| 01:29:07 | as_ | Hell, I paid $200 for my 4010 board, and $100 for the software. |
| 01:32:12 | as_ | Oh feck. |
| 01:32:40 | DrXenon | netwinder.net is still up. when you try to buy something, though, it sends you to rebel.com |
| 01:32:53 | as_ | 'Behaves like an ISa bus interface' and '1-2 M/s max transfer rate' kinda screw my day. |
| 01:33:37 | as_ | I think I can get 2-3M/sec with a PCI parallel port card. |
| 01:34:03 | as_ | High performance ones quote 5.5M/sec as the maximum. |
| 01:34:18 | as_ | Actually 5.5 to 6 M/sec. |
| 01:34:51 | as_ | Thanks for trying DrXenon, but reality isnt cooperating currently. |
| 01:35:52 | as_ | I will go with a 2M/sec parallel port connection, this card wont do EPP, but I'll get one that can. |
| 01:37:08 | prpplague | i'm out here guys |
| 01:37:09 | prpplague | later |
| 01:38:31 | DrXenon | i don't quite see why this board ought to be that slow. the pita-2 chip will do 33 MHz. what's the bottlenck? |
| 01:39:08 | DrXenon | btw, isn't it like 4AM in the UK? |
| 01:39:16 | as_ | Yes, haha. |
| 01:39:26 | as_ | I'm not sure either. I think it must use PIO mode for data. |
| 01:39:59 | DrXenon | i'd send them some email before you embark on a more baroque solution. |
| 01:40:37 | as_ | Furthurmore, if they are implimenting a standard ISA but implimentation of 8MHz, 1-2MHz would be correct. |
| 01:41:10 | as_ | You require an ISA bus cycle per word of data, which is 4 ISa bus clocks. |
| 01:41:39 | DrXenon | how wide is the data bus in a peecee? 64 bits? |
| 01:41:45 | DrXenon | pci bus i mean |
| 01:41:51 | as_ | mov throughput,byte ptr [offset toilet] |
| 01:41:56 | as_ | 32bits normally. |
| 01:42:03 | as_ | But ISA is 8bits. |
| 01:42:25 | DrXenon | what's isa got to do with anything? |
| 01:42:28 | HannoverF | Hey all. |
| 01:42:30 | DrXenon | it's clearly a pci card. |
| 01:42:32 | as_ | So on an ISA bus link, you use only the low 8 bits and its all horribly wasteful. |
| 01:43:02 | as_ | No, I can tell you what it will be, it will be an ISA solution on a ISA bridge PCI card. |
| 01:43:37 | as_ | A lot of peripherals are done that way. |
| 01:44:16 | as_ | Its frankly. Lame. But cheep and straightforward if you dont need a lot of bandwidth. |
| 01:44:46 | DrXenon | if you look at http://www.infineon.com/cgi/ecrm.dll/ecrm/scripts/prod_ov.jsp?oid=16802 , you see that it's "optimized for 8-bit uCs" whcih goes some way to expliaining the slow throughput. |
| 01:45:27 | as_ | I'll look. |
| 01:45:34 | HannoverF | Anybody care to field a few prospective-owner questions? |
| 01:45:56 | as_ | But there is no way a spartan 2 would need a slow interface. |
| 01:46:53 | DrXenon | pita==pain in the ass |
| 01:47:14 | DrXenon | hannover, i don't actually have one but can ask anyway. |
| 01:47:24 | HannoverF | Just two questions: |
| 01:47:41 | HannoverF | 1: Does the unit work as a phone prior to hacking... (to keep the wife happy) |
| 01:47:58 | HannoverF | 2: Has any progress been made on pcmcia e-net cards for this unit? |
| 01:48:06 | HannoverF | (that's it - lurk mode back on) |
| 01:48:14 | Aelhaz | yes, and yes |
| 01:48:19 | Aelhaz | it works as a phone after, too |
| 01:48:25 | Aelhaz | but only pulse dialing, no tones |
| 01:48:25 | DrXenon | 1. sure 2. can use several (but not all) cards |
| 01:48:42 | Aelhaz | there are several pcmcia ethernet cards that work |
| 01:48:49 | HannoverF | (delurk) Cool. Any wireless cards in that group? |
| 01:48:56 | HannoverF | Like, say, Cisco Aeronet 340s? |
| 01:50:06 | DrXenon | aeronet is 5V card? |
| 01:50:17 | HannoverF | Unknown off the top of my head - but I'll check. |
| 01:50:23 | HannoverF | Seem to remember about the 3.3v restriction... |
| 01:50:27 | Aelhaz | the aironet driver attempts to change the voltage |
| 01:50:32 | Aelhaz | which doesn't fly |
| 01:50:36 | HannoverF | Ahh, I see. |
| 01:50:37 | Aelhaz | that can probably be fixed |
| 01:50:51 | HannoverF | Oh well. No biggie there. What's another strand of cat5 between friends. |
| 01:51:31 | Aelhaz | several prism2 wireless nics should work, but for a variety of reasons there's not a functional driver on the phone |
| 01:51:39 | as_ | About 100MBit last I looked. |
| 01:52:15 | HannoverF | Cool. Bunches of good info. |
| 01:52:26 | Aelhaz | this is all covered on the wiki |
| 01:52:42 | as_ | brb. |
| 01:52:47 | HannoverF | Yes - I've been reading it, but I wanted some 'up to date' info before I plunked down the $$. |
| 01:52:58 | HannoverF | Thanks for the info. |
| 01:53:31 | Aelhaz | wikis by their nature are usually up to date |
| 01:54:05 | HannoverF | Understood. I don't mean to be an irritant. |
| 01:56:32 | HannoverF | (dissapearing into the mist) |
| 01:56:50 | Tangent | Aelhaz : What variety of reasons prevent a Prism2 driver being on there? I have a prism2 card to test with |
| 01:59:36 | Aelhaz | Tangent: orinoco_cs should basically work but there's some sort of alignment issue which causes it to trap the kernel |
| 02:00:10 | Tangent | Aelhaz : How about the wlan-ng stuff? |
| 02:00:30 | Aelhaz | Tangent: wvlan_cs should work as well, I don't know why it doesn't get compiled from out of pcmcia-cs |
| 02:00:53 | Aelhaz | Tangent: wlan-ng should probably work but i don't think anyone has tried to make it go, the configure script only has options for x86 and ppc |
| 02:01:13 | Tangent | Aelhaz : I have it working on my iPAQ |
| 02:01:50 | Tangent | Aelhaz : I'll get round to trying it soon |
| 02:02:10 | Aelhaz | Tangent: I'm sure andersee would love to add it to buildroot |
| 02:02:42 | Tangent | I need to update my Tux.. it's been getting dusty for a while now |
| 02:03:16 | Aelhaz | i got debian running on one of 'em today, put instructions on how to do that on the wiki |
| 02:03:45 | Aelhaz | going to give the new uwindows images a whirl sooner or later. maybe tonight. |
| 02:03:54 | Tangent | Aelhaz : That'll mean that the intimate distro will run too |
| 02:04:03 | Tangent | Aelhaz : And that makes me very very happy :) |
| 02:04:31 | Aelhaz | Tangent: I'm doing it over nfs, I've run familiar on a CF card |
| 02:04:39 | DrXenon | how come linux only sees 16 MB of RAM on the tuxscreen? |
| 02:04:55 | Aelhaz | DrXenon: if we knew that it'd be fixed already |
| 02:04:57 | DrXenon | is that a magic number in the kernel? |
| 02:05:04 | Tangent | Aelhaz : Maybe I should put that on the intimate news page then... intimate booted on TuxScreen :) |
| 02:05:08 | DrXenon | ack. ack. |
| 02:05:16 | Aelhaz | DrXenon: Well, the truth is linux only sees what the bootloader tells it is there, on arm |
| 02:05:43 | Aelhaz | and blob only sees 8 megs of the 32 meg card |
| 02:05:46 | Aelhaz | we don't know why yet |
| 02:06:28 | DrXenon | okay, will work on that when my box comes (prob. late next week; i ordered it sun.) |
| 02:09:42 | DrXenon | kludge would be to hardcode RAM into kernel (ignore what blob passes) |
| 02:12:45 | Aelhaz | if you knew where it was, you could tell the blob where it is |
| 02:12:50 | as_ | Re. |
| 02:12:53 | Aelhaz | memory isn't always contiguous on arm |
| 02:14:37 | DrXenon | i thought periphs were memory-mapped, and therer was just the one bus. no? |
| 02:15:09 | Aelhaz | before you can use the chips you have to find 'em |
| 02:15:50 | Aelhaz | and initialize 'em |
| 02:16:38 | Aelhaz | bootloader does the finding and initializing, then tells the kernel where it is |
| 02:17:15 | DrXenon | can you ask inferno what you need to know? |
| 02:17:47 | Aelhaz | probably |
| 02:18:20 | as2 | Does the StrongArm have an integral memory controller? |
| 02:18:50 | as2 | or is it a seperate chip? |
| 02:19:06 | Tangent | as2 : I think it's integrated |
| 02:19:40 | as2 | I would have thought so. When I got my ARM3 machine, it was a seperate chip. |
| 02:20:59 | DrXenon | yah, it definitely does. flash too. |
| 02:21:11 | as2 | Onboard flash? |
| 02:21:26 | as2 | Egad. |
| 02:21:27 | Tangent | as2 : Not onboard |
| 02:21:36 | as2 | Ok, that worried me. |
| 02:21:40 | Tangent | onboard flash controller |
| 02:21:46 | as2 | Ahhhh. |
| 02:22:00 | as2 | The ARM3 was the first ARM CPU with a cache, haha. |
| 02:22:54 | as2 | I remeber the buzz when strongarm first came out. |
| 02:23:20 | as2 | SM code wouldnt work becuase of the harvaard architecture cache. |
| 02:23:40 | Aelhaz | Axis is working on a composite IC with integrated kitchen sink |
| 02:23:46 | Aelhaz | scsi, ethernet, flash, ram, etc |
| 02:24:10 | Aelhaz | it requires you hook up a crystal and a power supply |
| 02:24:17 | as2 | HAha. |
| 02:24:35 | as2 | My my, if only Id invested in that damn company at the time. |
| 02:24:43 | Tangent | Sounds like my kinda chip :) |
| 02:25:56 | Aelhaz | qty1 is supposed to be $70something |
| 02:26:16 | as2 | Thats expensive for an ARM. |
| 02:26:21 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 02:26:56 | Aelhaz | but all you need other than that is a board to solder it onto, a power supply, and an oscilator. ethernet requires a connector, serial requires a buffer chip, prolly some buffer chips required for scsi |
| 02:27:32 | as2 | It must have a million pins. BGA chip? |
| 02:28:32 | Aelhaz | think so |
| 02:28:38 | Tangent | Ah well.. bedtime for me... night all |
| 02:28:47 | Aelhaz | the format with a grid of solder blobs on the underside |
| 02:29:02 | DrXenon | i'm going to pack up too. bye. |
| 02:29:47 | as2 | Thats BGA I think. |
| 02:30:06 | as2 | Must be impossible to use at home. |
| 02:30:06 | Aelhaz | as2: I'm wondering how much the kits will cost, the current etrax100lx kit is $300something |
| 02:30:09 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 02:30:28 | as2 | I have a chip here, BGA with 596 pins. I couldnt bilieve it. |
| 02:30:43 | Aelhaz | how on earth would you solder such a thing at home? |
| 02:31:16 | as2 | Hot air would do it, but thats not the main problem assuming it survies the soldering. |
| 02:31:17 | Aelhaz | mineral oil bath, possibly, but you'd either be dead on or fucked |
| 02:31:33 | Aelhaz | yeah, hot air could work |
| 02:31:38 | as2 | Hot is fast, mineral oil would cook it. |
| 02:32:10 | as2 | The main problem is you need multilayer boards with a through hole plated contact next to every pin. |
| 02:32:52 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 02:43:10 | Aelhaz | http://developer.axis.com/hardware/mcm/ |
| 05:20:37 | wedge | evenin fellaz. |
| 05:20:49 | wedge | anyone else having trouble compiling the latest buildroot? |
| 05:20:56 | wedge | under Linux 2.4 kernel? |
| 05:21:26 | GoRK | wedge: what is your error |
| 05:22:22 | wedge | it was pretty ugly. |
| 05:22:26 | wedge | i'll need to reboot into linux to show ya. |
| 05:22:44 | wedge | and i'm runnin a few jobs right now via x ... |
| 05:22:46 | wedge | one sec. |
| 05:24:59 | wedge | wow. 2 hours later, perl 5.7 is through compiling under NetBSD on my diskless LX. |
| 05:40:34 | wedge | brb |
| 06:15:16 | scanline | is away: sleep... school... blah... |
| 12:09:13 | Tangent | wakes up |
| 12:11:01 | mallum | mornin Tangent |
| 12:11:17 | Tangent | Hi mallum |
| 12:11:59 | mallum | Tangent: are you back in full intimate effect now ? |
| 12:13:11 | Tangent | mallum : Almost... I'm still working on my office automation stuff largely, but that shouldn't need too much more work now... |
| 12:13:27 | Tangent | mallum : I promised jacques that I'd devote today to Linux tho' |
| 12:13:35 | mallum | demon seed..... |
| 12:13:55 | mallum | ;) |
| 12:14:03 | Tangent | Yeah.. maybe I should call it that... it beats... OfficeAutomation Thingy |
| 12:14:17 | mallum | yeah that would be cool |
| 12:17:32 | Tangent | mallum : Just wait until it has voice recognition and 2xwebcam attached... I'll have to make a robot arm for it too :) |
| 12:17:47 | mallum | you have mindstorms dont you ? |
| 12:18:16 | mallum | Tangent: BTW theres the new xkbd now in HH cvs if your interested |
| 12:22:00 | Tangent | mallum : Yeah.. I have a _bit_ of lego... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/donttellMIT.jpg |
| 12:22:14 | Tangent | mallum : I'll check out the new xkbd sooner or later... |
| 12:22:28 | Tangent | Proabably a day or so away from that yet |
| 12:22:52 | mallum | your lego is all so neat |
| 12:22:56 | mallum | and tidy |
| 12:24:39 | Tangent | mallum : It's just impossible to find anything otherwise |
| 12:24:53 | mallum | heh, thats the fun ;) |
| 12:25:33 | boris | i own sekrit.org.uk :) |
| 12:25:55 | Tangent | mallum : I made a fully automatic gearbox out of lego a couple of years ago... pretty nifty... you could select 2 different forward speeds, and two different reverse speeds... all controlled by one motor |
| 12:26:17 | Tangent | boris : Cool :) |
| 12:26:47 | Tangent | boris : We got uncle.org.uk and spectrum.org.uk |
| 12:27:10 | boris | :) i also own uberleet.net |
| 12:27:21 | Tangent | boris : I got fu.cx :) |
| 12:27:35 | Tangent | boris : Well.. actually my mate owns all these domains.. not me |
| 12:27:40 | boris | ahaha cool :) |
| 12:28:09 | Tangent | boris : We also got.. .home.org.uk, work.org.uk and pub.org.uk... where else would you be ? |
| 12:28:25 | boris | nice |
| 12:29:36 | mallum | I got homewanking.com |
| 12:29:50 | mallum | you can fingure the email addr's from that |
| 12:29:56 | Tangent | mallum : Hahaha... great for telecommuters :) |
| 12:30:06 | mallum | lied , he dont really own it |
| 12:30:11 | mallum | friend does |
| 12:31:09 | mallum | I do own 10.am though |
| 12:31:57 | mallum | Tangent: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/porn-get/ |
| 12:32:07 | mallum | ( its not actual porn - just very funny ) |
| 12:32:33 | Tangent | mallum : Page cannot be displayed |
| 12:33:14 | Tangent | Damn it.. BT left a message for me asking me to call them, so they can debug my net connection.. Now they're not answering the phone... |
| 12:33:22 | Tangent | Unless I got the wrong number |
| 12:33:23 | mallum | Tangent: are you sure, I can get it here |
| 12:33:48 | Tangent | mallum : Worked this time |
| 12:33:54 | mallum | cool |
| 12:34:24 | mallum | Tangent: will intimate be running it ? |
| 12:34:46 | Tangent | mallum : What other use would I have for a 320x240 colour screen? |
| 12:34:58 | mallum | is away: smoking |
| 12:38:24 | Tangent | Damn it.. jobserve is pretty much pointless these days... Where did all the work go? |
| 12:57:06 | mallum | is back (gone 00:22:06) |
| 12:57:42 | Tangent | mallum : 22mins... must have been a _long_ cigarette :) |
| 12:58:48 | mallum | I had to help somebody on the way |
| 13:06:06 | prpplague | howdy howdy |
| 13:07:46 | mallum | hidehi |
| 13:12:37 | Tangent | Hi prpplague |
| 13:18:33 | mallum | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 13:18:54 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Hi there... how are things? |
| 13:19:30 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: not too bad |
| 13:19:38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: at work but being very slack |
| 13:23:00 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Thats good - I have a huge piile next to me.. can't figure out which fire to put out first... |
| 13:23:41 | mallum | start with the most tedious boring one |
| 13:25:36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: amen to that, i'm having the same problem |
| 13:25:57 | prpplague | mallum: 1. deal with idiot customer |
| 13:26:00 | Tangent | prpplague , CosmicPenguin : Maybe you need more staff... I'm looking :D |
| 13:26:01 | prpplague | mallum: 2. deal with idiot customer |
| 13:26:06 | prpplague | mallum: 3. deal with idiot customer |
| 13:26:11 | prpplague | mallum: 4. deal with idiot customer |
| 13:26:29 | prpplague | mallum: hard make a choice there |
| 13:26:50 | mallum | prpplague: give me there numbers, I'll sort it for you ;) |
| 13:27:02 | Tangent | prpplague : Go for lunch... drink some beers... enjoy the idiot customers |
| 13:27:59 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't want to move to Utah.... but if you do, feel free to give us a jingle... :) |
| 13:28:18 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : Can't I telecommute :) |
| 13:28:36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, beer laws are pretty tough in utah |
| 13:28:47 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: I dunno..;.. Then you would miss out on beer fridays... :) |
| 13:28:49 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:28:55 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: smoke pot with them then ? |
| 13:29:03 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:29:44 | prpplague | anyone know if there is a linux port for cisco equipment? |
| 13:30:01 | Tangent | prpplague : Don't think so |
| 13:30:07 | pattieja | prpplague: nope. But there is a "free" implemnentation of Cisco :) |
| 13:30:15 | pattieja | called Freesco or something like that |
| 13:30:18 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Yeah, but this is What, a linux replacement for the OS? |
| 13:30:29 | CosmicPenguin | Damnit, I hate it when I do that... |
| 13:30:57 | prpplague | anyone tried cyclades equipment, they run linux |
| 13:31:11 | CosmicPenguin | cut -f0-4 |
| 13:31:38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Why do you ask? |
| 13:32:20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry off topic, i'm configuring a cisco 2620 router right now, and i just hate the syntax for cisco |
| 13:32:38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I see.... yeah, it does suck.... |
| 13:33:26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Unfortunately, linux at this point is a bad choice for high speed routers.... What you need is a two processor system... |
| 13:33:58 | CosmicPenguin | One running Linux handling the managment, and the other just doing packet handling |
| 13:34:58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm on the low end of things, we use 56k dds lines mostly, very low bandwidth |
| 13:35:36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Ahh..... |
| 13:42:02 | prpplague | wonders what coffee will do to a cisco2620 |
| 13:47:19 | RedBaron | Howdy all |
| 14:06:35 | prpplague | argh cisco's web site has crash netscape 3 times |
| 14:46:04 | prpplague | ok guys, top three reasons an app would compile and run fine under x86, compile ok for arm but segfault when executed? |
| 14:47:11 | boodle | prpplague: accidentally linking to an x86 lib? |
| 14:47:59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Assuming that "char" is a signed char |
| 14:49:55 | prpplague | thanks, i'll start with those |
| 15:20:15 | prpplague | hmm, why would some of my arm apps return a sig4 |
| 15:21:28 | CosmicPenguin | hehehe.... illegal instruction.... cool! |
| 15:22:22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sounds like you know something i don't.... |
| 15:22:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Actually, not... its just not often you see an "illegal instruction". What compiler are you using? |
| 15:24:10 | prpplague | the cross compile tool 2.95.3 linking to uclibc |
| 15:25:19 | CosmicPenguin | is that the skiff cross compiler? |
| 15:26:04 | prpplague | negative, its the tarball created by erikm on russell kings site |
| 15:27:04 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh.... |
| 15:56:18 | RobFlynn | is away: FOOOOD |
| 16:37:00 | AlHazWork | hmm, debian on the tux seems to lock up when running "apt-get update" |
| 16:38:09 | AlHazWork | maybe it's run out of ram |
| 16:39:04 | AlHazWork | It's a shame that the other 24 megs of ram in there is just spinning it's wheels . . |
| 16:40:07 | Tangent | AlHaz : Almost certainly out of RAM.... I used to have that problem on the iPAQ until I enabled swap |
| 16:40:27 | pattieja | Tangent: where'd you get swap space? |
| 16:40:42 | Tangent | pattieja : 1GB microdrive |
| 16:40:52 | AlHazWork | Tangent: but what am i going to enable swap on? I've heard bad things about using swap files on nfs |
| 16:41:07 | pattieja | Tangent: yep |
| 16:41:14 | pattieja | AlHazWork: seems to work fine for me |
| 16:41:24 | pattieja | it's gotten a lot better too. |
| 16:41:29 | Tangent | AlHaz : I heard bad things about swap over NBD |
| 16:41:36 | pattieja | hehe |
| 16:42:41 | pattieja | AlHazWork: http://www.instmath.rwth-aachen.de/~heine/nfs-swap/nfs-swap.html |
| 16:43:41 | pattieja | hmm. Doesn't seem to have the patches for 2.4.9 up there |
| 16:49:52 | GoRK | i can't find any patches that will apply to the tuxscreen kernel to allow me to swap over the network |
| 16:50:28 | GoRK | oh and nbd swapping is supposed to be a lot better than nfs swapping |
| 17:13:46 | PleXeR | evening |
| 17:14:02 | CosmicPenguin | PleXeR: good afternoon! |
| 17:14:30 | PleXeR | All the same ;) |
| 17:15:14 | CosmicPenguin | We were getting a pretty good rain/snow storm a few hours ago, so it was dark enough to be evening... |
| 17:16:00 | GoRK | hey cosmicpenguin, i compiled up the latest microwindows last night. it is pretty slick |
| 17:16:28 | boris | the new jffs2 image is really good |
| 17:16:31 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Thanks. I'm waiting to see what cool stuff picoGUI will give us.. are you close to a release? |
| 17:16:50 | CosmicPenguin | boris: thanks.. :) |
| 17:16:59 | boris | i drew a desrt iland with the message thingy |
| 17:17:23 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: yep. the terminal and all work and the arm bugs are gone. i am getting buildroot stuff finished first and we're working on calibration (the last major thing) and it'll go |
| 17:17:44 | GoRK | right now the driver loads up a fixed calibration |
| 17:18:13 | CosmicPenguin | Oops, that reminds me.... I gotta fix my sourceforge CVS.... |
| 17:18:27 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: did you do anything special to get the keyboard to respond more quickly? it missed a lot fewer keys when i was using it with your root image |
| 17:18:49 | GoRK | is your cvs account broken? mine broke a couple days ago and i had to ahve them fix it.. |
| 17:18:53 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I didn't do anything special..... |
| 17:19:07 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: When i try to checkout, it says can't chdir to home directory and bails |
| 17:19:25 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: have you ssh'd into cvs.sf.net ? |
| 17:19:35 | boris | so how do i get a xdev enviroment up and running? |
| 17:19:37 | CosmicPenguin | Ohh.... that might be it,... |
| 17:19:53 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: yeah that is it. they arent exactly clear on that point are they |
| 17:20:05 | GoRK | boris: what distro are you running? |
| 17:20:13 | boris | debian |
| 17:20:37 | GoRK | www.emdebian.org has a toolchain and everything for ARM. fix yourself up with that |
| 17:21:41 | GoRK | very easy. then you can just compile stuff with arm-linux-gcc et al... buildroot-tux should work out of the box if you install the emdebian tools via .deb's |
| 17:22:23 | boris | do i just add another apt line? |
| 17:23:53 | boris | nm, got it |
| 17:30:51 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: That must have been it... |
| 17:32:47 | CosmicPenguin | Woohoo! |
| 17:33:02 | prpplague | andersee: howdy, got a sec? |
| 17:33:04 | CosmicPenguin | Gork: You are my hero! |
| 17:33:15 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: um ok why? |
| 17:33:31 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: By telling me what to do to fix my SF account... |
| 17:33:36 | GoRK | heh no problem |
| 17:34:01 | andersee | prpplague: a few little ones.... |
| 17:34:14 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: so what was it |
| 17:34:43 | boris | ok |
| 17:34:49 | boris | this is being a pita |
| 17:35:09 | prpplague | andersee: found my problem last night, seem i'm getting sig4 "Illegal Instruction" on several of the busybox/tinylogin functions, any idea where to start looking for a problem? |
| 17:35:27 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: i was reading the runningx page and noticed the new comment carl worth made about a framebuffer-based calibration progam.. it'd be something that *all* the gui's could use.... what do you think of the idea? |
| 17:35:27 | sammy | Tim : I am prepare to order Tux , what I should do now ? |
| 17:35:41 | boris | GoRK: did you run into any issues with emdebian? |
| 17:35:56 | GoRK | boris: no. are you running potato by chance? |
| 17:35:56 | boris | chris@jilted:~> sudo apt-get install task-cross-arm |
| 17:35:56 | boris | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 17:35:56 | boris | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 17:35:56 | boris | E: Couldn't find package task-cross-arm |
| 17:36:19 | boris | GoRK: nah woody i think (well unstable) |
| 17:36:37 | GoRK | boris: did you apt-get update? |
| 17:36:51 | boris | yup |
| 17:37:05 | TimRiker | sammy: calculate shipping and do a "Send Money" to Sales@TuxScreen.net for the total with shipping type and info as well as item list in the comments. |
| 17:37:17 | GoRK | [~] # dpkg -l task-cross* |
| 17:37:24 | GoRK | ... |
| 17:37:25 | GoRK | ii task-cross-arm 0.2 Cross development environment for ARM |
| 17:38:16 | boris | chris@jilted:~> apt-cache search arm | grep "cross" |
| 17:38:16 | boris | chris@jilted:~> |
| 17:38:29 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Thats a great idea... in fact, I sent cworth the calibrator some time ago, he said he was going to port it.... |
| 17:38:51 | boris | GoRK: it seems live libc6-dev-arm is missing aswell |
| 17:39:01 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Isn't it somewhat tougher to port X to picogui? |
| 17:39:43 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: well he was trying to port it to X though.... and i was trying to convert picogui's tpcal to run on the tux.. but if we just had a simple program that fired up a framebuffer and did a calibration... |
| 17:40:22 | GoRK | well picogui is nothing like X so as far as 'porting' and app is concerned, it takes a complete rewrite of the gui code |
| 17:41:38 | GoRK | the trade-off is that the server with every supported font, widget, and image format, screen rotation, etc. is only about 300k statically linked with libjpeg |
| 17:43:18 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I especially like the built in screen rotation and widgets..... :) |
| 17:43:30 | GoRK | a little bigger than nano-x but clients don't have to bring their own widgets |
| 17:44:01 | GoRK | yeah heh the rotation is cool.. esp. for stuff like that one dude where he wanted to mount the tux's screen upside down from the kitchen cabinet |
| 17:44:55 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, a framebuffer based calibrator is a good idea... hell, I haven't written A Bresenham alogrithm since college... :) |
| 17:45:18 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: MW only has compile time rotation..... Which is weird.... |
| 17:47:52 | boris | Get:1 http://www.emdebian.org unstable/main Packages [1780B] |
| 17:47:52 | boris | Ign http://www.emdebian.org unstable/main Release |
| 17:47:59 | boris | ^^ what does that mean? |
| 17:47:59 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: well if you like the idea, I can see about starting one up.. i figure it should just run and write to a file specified on the commandline in addition to setting an environment variable.. whenever it's run with the file existing and containing valid data, it just sets the environment variable unless you specify -f or something.. that sound good? |
| 17:48:52 | GoRK | that way a GUI could pick up with getenv or by reading the file |
| 17:49:22 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: That sounds good to me. Does your GUI set the calibration when it starts up, or do you expect external apps to call the ioctl()s? |
| 17:49:46 | CosmicPenguin | I expect the calibrator to handle all the dirty work for Microwindows... |
| 17:50:01 | GoRK | right now the my touchscren driver does the ioctl's for it... |
| 17:50:16 | GoRK | well... that's fine too. it can just *do* the ioctl's and the gui won't have to worry about anything |
| 17:50:43 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: If the file exists, it just reads the data and silently sets the calibration, otherwise it fires up the framebuffer... |
| 17:50:51 | GoRK | except that i guess that making it available in the env would't hurt anything |
| 17:50:56 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: sure exactly |
| 17:51:12 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: No... in fact, that would be nice for window managers to know.... |
| 17:53:06 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Are there any good framebuffer libraries we can use? |
| 17:54:10 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: well how tuxscreen specific do we want to make this? if it's ok to make it totally proprietary to calibrating the tuxscreen, we don't really need to use any library at all |
| 17:54:26 | GoRK | since all we're doing is drawing some crosshairs |
| 17:54:38 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: You don't want text or anything like that? |
| 17:55:33 | GoRK | *shrug* saving "text" as 1 bit bitmaps would probably be smaller than linking into some sort of library with fonts |
| 17:55:34 | andersee | prpplague: where did you get your toolchain from? Could be part of it.... |
| 17:56:34 | GoRK | also scanline and i were discussing the design of a good calibrator and how to make sure you get a perfect calibration every time... |
| 17:57:52 | GoRK | you just get the raw data on say 4 points and then when the user ticks the 5th point, if you can guess the returned data within a certain tolerance, you set calibration, otherwise you overwrite the first data point that you took with the data from point 5 and you try to guess point 6 etc until you get an accurate calibration |
| 17:58:39 | prpplague | andersee: i got the tarball off of russell kings site made by erikm |
| 18:03:49 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: anyway i gotta run for a while. ttyl |
| 18:07:30 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: See ya |
| 18:20:16 | travis_143cw | Can you order TuxScreens preloaded yet? |
| 18:20:23 | travis_143cw | does VoIP work yet? |
| 18:26:29 | andersee | prpplague: hmm. dunno then. Have you tried adding something like "-mcpu=strongarm1100", in case it is defaulting to some other instruction set (like xscale or something)? |
| 18:27:39 | andersee | prpplague: Generally speaking, illegal instructiona sugguests there is a compiler problem... |
| 18:29:29 | RedBaron | If it was defaulting to the wrong arch, wouldnt 'file' show that? |
| 18:30:10 | TimRiker | RedBaron: should. oh, and your PS shipped today. |
| 18:30:29 | RedBaron | TimRiker: Sweet. Thanks. :) |
| 18:32:23 | prpplague | andersee: i've not tried the -mpcu option, i'll go back and double everything again |
| 18:32:36 | prpplague | andersee: double check that is |
| 18:35:01 | sammy | night all ... |
| 18:35:06 | RedBaron | Night |
| 18:41:50 | andersee | latr all |
| 19:05:34 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 19:44:45 | prpplague | argh, this illegal instruction problem is driving me nuts |
| 19:59:28 | BZFlag | be glad your not getting arrested for all that illegal behavior |
| 20:00:34 | RedBaron | Heh. |
| 20:00:43 | prpplague | BZFlag: at this point in time, getting might be a good thing, |
| 20:00:52 | prpplague | getting arrested that is |
| 20:00:56 | BZFlag | heh |
| 20:01:31 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'm going to have to f&r my dev box just so i can make sure its clean |
| 20:02:16 | AlHazWork | the way herr ashcroft is talking, attempting to execute an illegal instruction could land you in club fed for life |
| 20:03:06 | RedBaron | Has anyone ported gdb to the strongarm platform? And the next question being, can gdb run in that little memory? |
| 20:25:15 | prpplague | anyone got the tuxscreen rootfs handy? |
| 20:26:15 | AlHazWork | why, can't get to the ftp site? |
| 20:27:40 | prpplague | AlHazWork: just need some to do #strings rz | head , and tell me what it shows to be linked with |
| 20:29:35 | BZFlag | /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 and libc.so.0 |
| 20:30:07 | BZFlag | though I used readelf to get that. |
| 20:30:17 | prpplague | BZFlag: thanks |
| 20:44:30 | cory | uh-oh |
| 20:44:46 | cory | openprojects on bugtraq |
| 20:45:30 | AlHazWork | ? |
| 20:46:01 | prpplague | anyone know what the args are for the BOOT_MEM macro when defining a platform type? |
| 20:49:37 | prpplague | nevermind found it |
| 20:55:05 | GoRK | RedBaron: it is probably possible to set up a gdb/gdbserver environment for real-time debug on the tuxscreen. gdbserver requires substantially fewer resources than full gdb and you can then run gdb over the serial line or the network |
| 20:55:16 | GoRK | RedBaron: there's also the insight debugger |
| 21:05:55 | CosmicPenguin | Check this out -http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5512478189.html |
| 21:11:22 | AlHazWork | oh the cheese . . . |
| 21:11:52 | prpplague | gee thats neato |
| 21:13:34 | prpplague | wonder how hard it will be to hack around on them... |
| 21:14:02 | AlHazWork | I can't figure out if I'd want to |
| 21:14:56 | AlHazWork | most of the deeply embedded linux stuff boots off a mask rom |
| 21:18:02 | AlHazWork | ok, it looks like dselect runs out of memory when it tries to use apt's list of available packages, and that's why it's broken |
| 21:18:25 | AlHazWork | but I don't know enough about debian to resolve all the dependencies i need to by hand |
| 21:23:09 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: that phone is pretty cool |
| 21:24:23 | AlHazWork | looks like a fisher price walkie talkie. and the picture is upside-down. |
| 21:24:59 | GoRK | yeah the look is total garbage.. but it may not be the final look anyway. it was all cgi |
| 21:25:01 | AlHazWork | but sure, sign me up for the backstreet boys edition |
| 21:25:09 | AlHazWork | *cough* |
| 21:27:04 | AlHazWork | anyway, if it boots of a mask rom it will be nigh impossible to hack w/o an smt rework station and a flash programmer |
| 21:46:39 | scanline | is away: class |
| 22:27:18 | BZFlag | cya |
| 23:05:24 | scanline | is back (gone 01:18:45) |
