| 01:13:38 | Lenolium | owns Australia. |
| 01:13:48 | Russ | ju? |
| 01:19:56 | Lenolium | and George W agree on one thing: Metal is the Law. |
| 02:38:39 | DrXenon | hi. stumbled across the link on linuxdevices.com and just ordered a tuxscreen. i've been looking for something like this for ages. joy. |
| 02:39:48 | scanline | you won't be disappointed- it's a nice piece of hardware |
| 02:40:56 | DrXenon | how much RAM will it take? |
| 02:41:18 | scanline | I think you can upgrade it to 40MB... not sure though |
| 02:41:53 | DrXenon | that's what i read too. |
| 02:42:43 | DrXenon | is it still the case that there's only one particular pcmcia ethernet card that'll work? |
| 02:43:01 | scanline | no |
| 02:43:22 | scanline | there are a handful of cards that work. I'm using a NetGear FA411 |
| 02:43:41 | DrXenon | is 5V card? |
| 02:43:48 | scanline | no. 5V cards won't work |
| 02:45:31 | DrXenon | right. i misremembered what i read on the eclipse.net page. |
| 02:46:40 | lfj | Has anyone tried or heard anything about "audrey" device? |
| 02:48:12 | DrXenon | so tim riker's wife is a) a scorching babe and b) will put up with him sinking thousands into surplus telephones-on-steroids which he c) fills the garage and living room with. i wonder how many such women are in utah? in the world? |
| 02:49:42 | lfj | ;) I've got one but it took years of training her right. (read: years of buying the right gifts) |
| 02:51:33 | DrXenon | hee. i've always found bribery to be effective too. |
| 02:52:48 | DrXenon | come to think of it, 1000 devices at, say, 50 dollars each is $50k ! i wish i had that kind of money to plow into such a risky venture. |
| 02:53:33 | DrXenon | audrey==ipaq 3800 ?? |
| 02:53:51 | lfj | Good question, I'm not exactly sure... |
| 02:54:00 | lfj | I saw it on tigerdirect.com for 89 bucks. |
| 02:55:00 | GoRK | the 3com audrey is a discontinued webpad device. |
| 02:55:05 | lfj | And can't be ipaq, it's made by 3com |
| 02:55:11 | lfj | :-) |
| 02:55:19 | GoRK | it's got about the same size screen as the tux and an ir keyboard |
| 02:55:29 | lfj | Heard of anyone getting linux running on it? |
| 02:55:40 | GoRK | yes i believe linux can run on it |
| 02:55:40 | lfj | It's got a x86 chip and I think 32 megs of ram. |
| 02:55:46 | GoRK | although it's not super easy to get it on there |
| 02:56:21 | lfj | Hmm.. At 89 bucks it's sure a tempting piece of hardware to hack on.. |
| 02:57:00 | lfj | + it's got USB and 16 megs of flash. |
| 02:57:12 | DrXenon | tigerdirect says it's a Geode processor. is x86 clone? |
| 02:57:22 | lfj | I believe so yes. |
| 02:57:46 | lfj | Geode is made by via now I think.. It's the old cyrix processor.. If I remember correct. |
| 02:57:56 | DrXenon | ah. |
| 02:58:40 | Aelhaz | geode is the only part of cyrix that national semiconductor kept |
| 02:58:58 | Aelhaz | processors bearing the cyrix name these days were actually designed by a team that used to belong to IDT |
| 02:59:08 | lfj | Only reason I saw it is I am planning on making my tux into a robot.. and interfaceing a camera with the tux is getting very difficult.. |
| 02:59:19 | lfj | Ahhh.... |
| 02:59:36 | lfj | Good to know Aelhaz, is it x86 clone? |
| 02:59:52 | Aelhaz | NatSemi basically bought cyrix so they could beat Intel over the head with them in court in order to extend their cross-licensing agreement (Intel had violated some Cyrix patents), then sold what it didn't want to VIA |
| 03:00:09 | Aelhaz | lfj: Yeah, it's a highly integrated but not quite system on chip pentium class cpu |
| 03:00:53 | lfj | Cool... I may have to add that to my growing list of "things that run linux" in my home :-) |
| 03:01:00 | DrXenon | how're you grafting the camera onto the tux? |
| 03:01:55 | lfj | I have a B&W camera and I'm trying to design a capture system based on the Atmel AVR chip. Then RS232 that up to the tux for processing. |
| 03:02:32 | Aelhaz | There's a serial webcam device out there called the WinCam that could prolly easily be attached to the Tux |
| 03:02:33 | lfj | It's one of those pinhole camera's, that just gives NTSC 1V composit out. |
| 03:02:48 | Aelhaz | there are open source linux drivers for it, a friend of mine maintains them |
| 03:02:52 | DrXenon | processing like take pictures every now and again, or processing like image processing? |
| 03:03:00 | Aelhaz | the only problem with the wincam is it's fscking expensive |
| 03:03:03 | Aelhaz | that and the stupid name |
| 03:03:18 | lfj | Image Processing... I'll also need to retain the serial port for control of the bot. |
| 03:03:35 | DrXenon | but framerate will be fractions of hertz over rs232. no? |
| 03:03:37 | lfj | the tux will be the "brain" and the AVR will dole out the low-level stuff to sensors etc. |
| 03:03:45 | lfj | Yes. |
| 03:04:19 | lfj | I plan to capture a low res (120x100) Black and white image, Looking at maybe a frame a second. |
| 03:04:30 | lfj | depending on how fast I can get the serial port to talk to the tux at. |
| 03:04:46 | lfj | the AVR's can have 8mhz crystals with them |
| 03:05:04 | lfj | Not sure about their Serial speed though.. 9600 right now is all I've got. |
| 03:05:12 | DrXenon | i think you want to be on the memory bus. do you have access to it on the board? |
| 03:05:38 | DrXenon | there may have been provisions for upgrade cards and the like. |
| 03:06:25 | lfj | Upgrade cards? The cam is *not* a webcam.. It's just a normal NTSC B&W camera. |
| 03:06:47 | lfj | About the size of your thumb. |
| 03:07:42 | DrXenon | i don't think you want an ntsc cam. i think you want a ccd sitting right on the 1110's memory bus. |
| 03:08:12 | lfj | That is a very good point. |
| 03:08:32 | lfj | <--- Not smart enough.. LOL maybe in bot V2.0 |
| 03:08:47 | DrXenon | i mean does the tuxscreen give you access to the 1110's memory bus. are there any empty headers on the board? |
| 03:09:55 | lfj | Haven't cracked my case yet.. I got linux running on it. But really I'm learning C all over again. Haven't touched it since high school. |
| 03:10:14 | lfj | the tux is has really been a learning tool all over again. |
| 03:10:36 | DrXenon | doh! of course you have access to the memory bus: through the pcmcia slots. |
| 03:11:01 | Aelhaz | there's an unpopulated io header on the tux mainboard |
| 03:11:06 | Aelhaz | dunno what it would take to hook up to it |
| 03:11:07 | lfj | Good point. What are you going to use your tux for? |
| 03:11:53 | DrXenon | hee. i'm more or less in the same boat programming-wise. i design analog ICs; other people write drivers for them. i haven't got the slightest idea what i'm doing. |
| 03:12:39 | DrXenon | was thinking of making a data logging system for some sensors i want to put on my motorcycle. |
| 03:13:04 | lfj | Damn, I sit on my a$$ all day watching a line at work. Line go down call someone ( or fix the database myself if I'm feelin frisky) line stay level play more ping pong. |
| 03:13:10 | DrXenon | for extra credit, i wanna put a wireless lan card into teh pcmcia slots for telemetry visible in the pits. |
| 03:14:10 | lfj | What do you race? My brother used to race 700 class in the southwest (mesa AZ) |
| 03:15:22 | DrXenon | hee. i fell off my honda fireblade (929) a few weeks ago and i'm still recovering. titanium rods in legs, etc. this will be a nice project to keep me sane. |
| 03:15:39 | DrXenon | i'm in ottawa, canada. |
| 03:16:27 | lfj | Ouch.. more balls than me. |
| 03:17:24 | DrXenon | hee. of course, i have to convince She Who Must Be Obeyed that i should be allowed back on a bike next spring. |
| 03:19:50 | DrXenon | where are the schematics? |
| 03:21:50 | DrXenon | www.audreyhacking.com |
| 03:24:39 | lfj | Hey now.. |
| 03:24:47 | lfj | Awsome. |
| 03:32:36 | DrXenon | well, i guess i'll be ordering me an audrey then. |
| 03:35:40 | lfj | Looks promising. Thanks for the site.. guess I should brush up my google searching skillz |
| 03:38:26 | DrXenon | thanks for mentioning the audrey in the first place. i think i might have bought one (though not at $450) while they were an official product. |
| 03:39:23 | DrXenon | it *really* wants a linux port, tho. |
| 03:40:50 | lfj | I see people have MP3's playing on them.. Guess my bot will have a voice :-) off to find linux text-to-speach api. |
| 03:43:18 | DrXenon | note that there seem to be some on ebay for less than tigerdirect. search "3com audrey" |
| 03:58:23 | Aelhaz | i've got an iopener I haven't turned on in a month, so, I'm not sure what I'd do with an audrey |
| 04:17:33 | DrXenon | x86 just isn't suitable for embedded applications. too much power. strongarm's better. |
| 04:23:23 | Aelhaz | when you get down into the nitty gritty assembly, strongarm can be hairy to implement. once there's an OS and drivers, tho, you're home free. |
| 04:23:39 | Aelhaz | I think the appeal of x86 in embedded is still the "it's like a PC" argument |
| 04:23:55 | Aelhaz | the belief that a familiar hardware platform will speed the development |
| 04:24:59 | Aelhaz | g'nite |
| 04:28:49 | DrXenon | g'nite |
| 04:35:17 | lfj | g'nite as well.. Burned out trying to rig up the motor controler. Tommarrow is another day :-) |
| 13:33:19 | CosmicPenguin | Woohoo - reblob was successful...... |
| 13:41:00 | SpaceCoaster | yah |
| 13:41:13 | SpaceCoaster | or is that yay |
| 14:13:33 | prpplague | howdy AlHazWork |
| 14:14:13 | joev | Anyone around? |
| 14:14:21 | AlHazWork | I'm sorta round, yeah |
| 14:14:38 | joev | I've unprotected my flash, am about to install blob... |
| 14:15:11 | joev | But, when I do a c D!blob F!all, "rdp" seems to crash... |
| 14:15:21 | joev | And dumps me back to the ";" prompt... |
| 14:16:20 | joev | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV1600BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 14:16:24 | joev | is what I get back.. |
| 14:16:35 | joev | I've verified that the flash is unprotected... |
| 14:16:43 | joev | Ever see this? |
| 14:19:52 | AlHazWork | nope |
| 14:20:14 | joev | Bummer. |
| 14:20:19 | joev | Okay, thanks anyway.. |
| 14:20:31 | AlHazWork | well, maybe someone else has - I haven't |
| 14:20:38 | joev | Okay, I'll check later then.. |
| 14:21:00 | joev | (I just don't want to play around with this too much, I don't want to learn about JTAG :^) |
| 14:22:57 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:23:10 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:55:01 | sammy | hello ... |
| 15:55:07 | AlHazWork | hello ... |
| 16:56:43 | CosmicPenguin | boris: I thought you were going to send me e-mail? :-> |
| 17:01:03 | boris | heh |
| 17:01:12 | boris | i have literally just got back to mys desk:) |
| 17:01:17 | joev | cp: Ever see rdp "crash" when copying blob to flash? |
| 17:02:57 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i'll write the email now |
| 17:05:24 | boris | CosmicPenguin: you about at the moment? |
| 17:08:48 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 17:09:39 | CosmicPenguin | boris: I am |
| 17:09:45 | boris | k |
| 17:09:53 | boris | you should get an email in about 5 minutes time :) |
| 17:29:38 | boris | CosmicPenguin: *sent |
| 17:51:47 | GoRK | hey russ |
| 17:52:38 | GoRK | i had a quick question -- is the keyboard problem where it sort of misses some keys an lirc/kernel thing or is it a problem with the hardware? |
| 17:52:46 | boris | GoRK: is it you workking on PicoGUI support? |
| 17:53:04 | GoRK | scanline (who wrote picogui) and i, yes |
| 17:53:16 | boris | ok cool |
| 17:53:30 | boris | do you have a jffs2 image with it on so i can have a play? |
| 17:53:32 | Russ|werk | it doesn't use lirc |
| 17:53:46 | Russ|werk | it has a CIR receiver |
| 17:54:27 | GoRK | boris: actually within a day or two, i'll have one released along with buildroot-tux integration so you can compile it and tweak on it along with everything else... |
| 17:54:41 | GoRK | boris: if you don't mind waiting just a little bit, that is :) |
| 17:54:42 | boris | cool |
| 17:54:56 | boris | anything i can have a play with atm? |
| 17:55:18 | scanline | I could tar up the binaries I have on my tux at the moment and DCC them to you |
| 17:55:34 | boris | that'd be cool |
| 17:55:35 | GoRK | i have a jffs2 image actually with some apps made up |
| 17:55:42 | boris | GoRK: can i steal that? |
| 17:55:43 | scanline | that's even better :) |
| 17:55:47 | GoRK | yeah hang on |
| 17:55:50 | boris | cool |
| 17:57:25 | Russ|werk | GoRK: the actual driver for the keyboard is fairly simple |
| 17:57:43 | scanline | GoRK: Any chance of making the ttykb driver handle arrow keys soon? |
| 17:57:46 | Russ|werk | GoRK: you can add a printk in for received characters to see if its missing them on a higher lever |
| 17:57:53 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 17:58:08 | GoRK | Russ: ok ill look into it then... i need to get inferno back on this other phone to compare the kbd performance... |
| 17:58:37 | Russ|werk | scanline: handle in what way? |
| 17:58:53 | GoRK | scanline: well i need to make it handle scancodes before it can really support arrows, Fn keys, etc. properly, but i can hack up the current driver to do it too |
| 17:59:13 | Russ|werk | GoRK: plug into the input stuff |
| 17:59:14 | scanline | I think I'll look at the SDL source code, it might have something we can use |
| 17:59:21 | Russ|werk | you'll get the keycodes directly |
| 18:01:58 | GoRK | Russ: i looked at doing that, but i can also trap scancodes setting medium-raw mode on a /dev/tty device-- which is portable and useful on systems other than the tuxscreen - plus it gets run through the kernel's keymap, and i can more easily handle switching VT's if i need to support that for some reason |
| 18:02:28 | Russ|werk | in the future, all input will go through the input subsystem |
| 18:04:11 | GoRK | yeah, i guess it will wont it.. hmm well that will be my next driver to write then :) |
| 18:17:02 | pattieja | is back (gone 01:08:14) |
| 18:30:23 | GoRK | greetings |
| 18:30:36 | mallum | hi |
| 18:31:38 | andersee | howdy |
| 18:31:47 | andersee | just got back into town |
| 18:32:14 | mallum | been anywhere exciting ? |
| 18:32:15 | scanline | good morning :) |
| 18:32:46 | andersee | just up at a friends place all weekend |
| 18:33:06 | prpplague | andersee: i was about to ask if had gone to see your parol officer... |
| 18:33:20 | prpplague | lol |
| 18:33:51 | andersee | Heh. He has a cabin, so we all went up there (my family, his family) and hung out all weekend. |
| 18:42:45 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: In the version of uClibc that I grabbed on Friday, it didn't seem to want to bring across stdarg.h, so cardmgr wouldn't build.... |
| 18:43:28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: now that you mention it, i'm having problems build some of the pcmcia related stuff as well |
| 18:43:37 | mallum | great my network connections decided to do yo-yo impersionations |
| 18:43:53 | boris | CosmicPenguin: get my email? |
| 18:44:10 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Yep, I even responded.... |
| 18:44:41 | CosmicPenguin | It seems like every project that I have worked on in the last year have all decided to break simultaniously.... :( |
| 18:44:51 | boris | ahaha, i just look ed and so you have :) |
| 18:45:40 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: stdarg.h is supposed to be part of your compiler's includes... |
| 18:47:12 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: In my case I see the following: |
| 18:47:26 | andersee | $ arm-linux-gcc -print-search-dirs | head -n1 |
| 18:47:26 | andersee | install: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/ |
| 18:47:44 | andersee | $ ll /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/include/stdarg.h |
| 18:47:44 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.9k Jul 7 2000 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/include/stdarg.h |
| 18:48:09 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Right... but it didn't copy over in the uclibc build for some reason.... |
| 18:48:14 | CosmicPenguin | sorry, the uclibc install... |
| 18:48:22 | andersee | Why should it? |
| 18:48:34 | CosmicPenguin | Well, it should be in staging_dir/usr/include, right? |
| 18:49:03 | andersee | The $PREFIX/include dir should have the uClibc includes in it, not the compiler includes |
| 18:49:06 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nope. |
| 18:49:18 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I don't understand... why not? |
| 18:49:53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: The previous snapshot put it there.... staging_dir/include/stdarg.h |
| 18:50:01 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Do you have a /usr/include/stdarg.h ? nope. Thats because some headers are part of the C library, some are part of the compiler. |
| 18:50:20 | CosmicPenguin | Ok.... my bad on the paths... |
| 18:50:36 | andersee | If the previous snapshot put it there, the previous snapshot was messed... |
| 18:51:04 | mallum | andersee: what is 'arm-uclibc-gcc', I can see its a binary what AFAIK it just calls gcc with some hardcoded paths ... ? |
| 18:51:32 | andersee | It munges up the include and library paths. |
| 18:52:31 | andersee | It prevents your system includes and libraries and your cross C lib includes and libraries from being used... It makes it instead use the uClibc stuff. |
| 18:52:59 | andersee | But it includes your cross compiler's include path in the search order |
| 18:53:56 | andersee | Howdy BZ |
| 18:55:28 | mallum | andersee: why does it have to be binary though and not just a shell script ? |
| 18:56:51 | andersee | Because 1) shell scripts are slow 2) because I'd have to invoke sed and such about 20 times 3) becuase writing it in C was easy 4) accident of history 5) all of the above. |
| 18:59:04 | mallum | andersee: aha. Im asking cos Im been thinking about installing gcc on the ipaq in /usr/local ( where my uDrive is mounted ) . I was going to create links for the include dirs but your solution seems much nicer |
| 19:01:19 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: For some reason, it worked this time without the stdarg.h... |
| 19:01:29 | CosmicPenguin | *shrug* Sorry for bothering you |
| 19:02:23 | mallum | thinks maybe links would do ... |
| 19:05:53 | prpplague | andersee: solved my problem too |
| 19:13:58 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, life is getting progressively better...... |
| 19:14:12 | CosmicPenguin | Man, that screen *IS* dark without Russ's patches, huh? |
| 19:18:38 | Russ|werk | I don't know why the screen even manages to show up without them |
| 19:28:23 | prpplague | andersee: i'm trying to link an app to ulibc and getting this error: |
| 19:28:44 | prpplague | andersee: undefined reference to 'stdout' |
| 19:29:54 | prpplague | andersee: it compiles fine with glibc |
| 19:30:24 | Russ|werk | how are you compiling it? |
| 19:30:33 | Russ|werk | arm-uclibc-gcc? |
| 19:30:42 | prpplague | y |
| 19:30:43 | prpplague | a |
| 19:31:21 | Russ|werk | y a? |
| 19:31:42 | GoRK | y a! |
| 19:32:07 | prpplague | sorry, too much coffee, "yes" |
| 19:32:15 | Russ|werk | is it a makefile? |
| 19:32:22 | prpplague | yes |
| 19:32:41 | Russ|werk | and the entire build is using arm-uciblc-gcc/arm-uclibc-ld |
| 19:32:58 | Russ|werk | does it have any -I or -L's in the CFLAGS? |
| 19:34:39 | prpplague | none |
| 19:37:10 | Russ|werk | is there a warning about stdout in the compilation? (-Wall) |
| 19:40:18 | prpplague | no warning on the compilation, but i'm check no there appears to be -I coming from somewhere |
| 19:40:23 | Russ|werk | fprintf(stdout, "\n"); works in a small test program |
| 19:40:36 | Russ|werk | "but i'm check no there appears"? |
| 19:42:25 | prpplague | Russ|werk: sorry, looks like there was an include at the bottom of the makefile, i'll have a look at that |
| 19:42:55 | Russ|werk | what is the include? |
| 19:44:44 | prpplague | -I ../include -I /usr/src/arm-2.4.7/linux/include |
| 19:46:30 | Russ|werk | thats a funky include |
| 19:46:37 | Russ|werk | ../include is ok |
| 19:46:42 | Russ|werk | but what is /usr/src/arm-2.4.7/linux/include |
| 19:47:23 | prpplague | Russ: my kernel source |
| 19:47:42 | Russ|werk | what are you compiling? |
| 19:49:03 | prpplague | a debug tool for the i82365 pcmcia controler |
| 19:49:41 | Russ|werk | hmm....you have arm hardware that has an i82365? |
| 19:50:57 | prpplague | Russ|werk: yep |
| 19:51:20 | Russ|werk | what insane person designed such a board? |
| 19:52:18 | prpplague | InHand Electronics |
| 19:52:44 | Russ|werk | fruits...anyway |
| 19:52:53 | Russ|werk | what is thi linkage command that fails? |
| 19:53:13 | AlHazWork | an actual i82365? I've never seen one, but I've seen lots of compatible chipsets |
| 19:53:52 | Russ|werk | seems a bit redundant to me, seeing as there is already a fully functional pcmcia bus |
| 19:54:13 | prpplague | arm-uclibc dump_cis.o -o dump_cis |
| 19:54:18 | prpplague | arm-uclibc-gcc dump_cis.o -o dump_cis |
| 19:54:46 | Russ|werk | and what is the command to compile dump_cis.o? |
| 19:56:50 | prpplague | arm-uclibc-gcc -MD -O -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -pipe -I../include/static -I/usr/src/arm-2.4.7/linux/include -I../include -c dump_cis.c |
| 19:57:30 | Russ|werk | does dump_cis.c contain a #include <stdio.h>? |
| 19:59:21 | prpplague | yes |
| 20:00:14 | Russ|werk | no extra output during the generation of dump_cis.o? |
| 20:02:45 | prpplague | negative |
| 20:03:05 | Russ|werk | how is it using stdout |
| 20:05:07 | prpplague | let me check |
| 20:06:04 | PleXeR | Anyone in the UK here??? |
| 20:06:20 | Tangent | PleXeR : Yep |
| 20:08:03 | prpplague | Russ|werk: looks like its in one of the includes because its not in the main portion of the code |
| 20:09:07 | Russ|werk | check ../include and ../include/static |
| 20:09:31 | mallum | PleXeR: yep too |
| 20:09:39 | PleXeR | cool |
| 20:12:15 | mallum | PleXeR: you have a tuxscreen yet ? |
| 20:12:26 | PleXeR | nah gonna get one |
| 20:12:48 | PleXeR | u? |
| 20:12:50 | prpplague | Russ|werk: i think i'm going to give up and just use glibc, its only temporary |
| 20:13:40 | andersee | prpplague: Anybody #define or #undefine stdout? |
| 20:13:57 | andersee | what does 'grep -r stdout' show in the source tree? |
| 20:14:25 | prpplague | nothing, but i do get two lines in the binary dump_cis.o |
| 20:14:35 | prpplague | f = stdout |
| 20:14:52 | prpplague | and a comment line |
| 20:15:15 | prpplague | "/* this should be stdout */" |
| 20:15:53 | andersee | Hmm. So this isn;t in the source itself? How about checking ../include ? |
| 20:15:58 | Russ|werk | in dump_cis.c? |
| 20:16:04 | andersee | It may be doing something naughty... |
| 20:16:14 | Russ|werk | f = stdout wouldn't show up in dump_cis.o.... |
| 20:16:39 | prpplague | let me double check |
| 20:19:39 | prpplague | sorry my mistake it just says binary file dump_cis.o matches, the other two are from other apps |
| 20:21:42 | Russ|werk | the stdout reference is cominf from somewhere |
| 20:22:27 | andersee | Checked ../include yet? |
| 20:23:57 | prpplague | ya, did see anything, looking again |
| 20:25:40 | prpplague | i'm going to start from scratch, rm the dir and untar every thing one step at a time |
| 20:26:36 | andersee | I find almost everything compiles up easily with uClibc -- I usually do somthing like |
| 20:27:13 | andersee | export PATH=/usr/arm-linux-uclibc/bin:$PATH |
| 20:27:24 | prpplague | andersee: almost certain its something i'm doing wrong, just a matter of tracking it down |
| 20:27:55 | andersee | If it uses configure, then |
| 20:27:56 | prpplague | andersee: i did export PATH=$PATH:/usr/arm-linux-uclibc |
| 20:28:21 | andersee | If it uses configure, then I use usr/bin and set CC=arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 20:28:40 | andersee | either way, things generally work |
| 20:29:08 | andersee | If you have stuff mixing glibc and uclibc compiled stuff, that can also cause problems... |
| 20:29:36 | prpplague | yes, thats the way i've been doing it, i've gotten several other apps to compile ok, but this one is being a monster |
| 20:30:18 | andersee | as a last resort, you can compile vs glibc with --static ... |
| 20:34:11 | prpplague | hmm, that might work, i only need it for debuging |
| 20:56:34 | mallum | whats going on ? |
| 20:57:14 | prpplague | same stuff different day |
| 20:57:34 | mallum | no I meant the constant disconnects / reconnects |
| 20:57:40 | mallum | or is it only me ? |
| 20:58:25 | prpplague | no there are quite a few ppl with that problem today |
| 20:58:51 | mallum | I think Im gonna give up |
| 20:59:14 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Looks like your servier is a bit sick.... |
| 20:59:24 | mallum | irc sevrer ? |
| 20:59:47 | mallum | obviously |
| 21:00:13 | mallum | my brain is broke today aswell |
| 21:00:39 | mallum | time for bed .... |
| 21:01:12 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: in /linuxrc, what does the -o mean when passed to cardmgr? |
| 21:01:34 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : One pass mode... configure cards, then exit |
| 21:02:07 | CosmicPenguin | Tangent: Ahh, so thus we don't get too worried if we can't create a pid file.... |
| 21:03:16 | DrXenon | how much ram can the tuxscreen accomodate? (how many adddress lines on the board?) |
| 21:03:17 | Tangent | CosmicPenguin : No... nothing to worry about there |
| 21:03:26 | CosmicPenguin | There is something very wrong with signal handling with uClibc-20011004....... When I revert, all is well..... |
| 21:19:31 | AlHazWork | ok, I've added DebianOverNFS instructions to the wiki |
| 22:12:07 | AlHazWork | BZFlag, I thought |
| 22:12:24 | | somebody said an i was an infobot owned by Tangent with some assistance from BZFlag or stupid. |
| 22:12:24 | DrXenon | what's an ibot? |
| 22:12:41 | Tangent | Nod.. BZFlag looks after ibot.. I look after teh box that ibot runs on :) |
| 22:12:49 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 22:13:50 | | Tangent: London City Airport, United Kingdom; (EGLC) 51-30N 000-30W; last updated: Oct 08, 2001 03:50 PM EDT; Dew Point: 51 F (11 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.50 in. Hg (0999 hPa); Relative Humidity: 87%; Temperature: 55 F (13 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SW (230 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) (direction variable) |
| 22:13:50 | Tangent | ibot weather eglc |
| 22:14:13 | | DrXenon: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 22:14:13 | DrXenon | ibot weather yyz |
| 22:14:25 | | andersee: huh? |
| 22:14:25 | andersee | ibot slc |
| 22:14:31 | | andersee: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 22:14:31 | andersee | ibot weather slc |
| 22:15:47 | | GoRK: Amarillo, Amarillo International Airport, TX, United States; (KAMA) 35-13-12N 101-43-02W 1093M; last updated: Oct 08, 2001 06:53 PM EDT; Dew Point: 43.0 F (6.1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.89 in. Hg (1012 hPa); Relative Humidity: 23%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 84.0 F (28.9 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the SW (220 degrees) at 19 MPH (17 KT) |
| 22:15:47 | GoRK | ibot weather kama |
| 22:16:04 | | GoRK is nothing but a pickled pile of industrial dog vomit. |
| 22:16:04 | Tangent | ibot insult GoRK |
| 22:16:10 | | BZFlag: Provo Municipal Automatic Weather Observing / Reporting System, UT, United States; (KPVU) 40-13N 111-43W; last updated: Oct 08, 2001 06:55 PM EDT; Dew Point: 42 F (6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.9 in. Hg (1012 hPa); Relative Humidity: 42%; Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Temperature: 66 F (19 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the NNW (340 degrees) at 11 MPH (10 KT) |
| 22:16:10 | BZFlag | ibot: weather kpvu |
| 22:16:12 | Tangent | No offence :) |
| 22:16:36 | Tangent | wonders what industrial dogs are used for |
| 22:16:48 | BZFlag | Tangent: I hacked nickometer to stop doing float faults. |
| 22:17:11 | Tangent | BZFlag : Oh... excellent move.. I didn't know that problem existed |
| 22:18:44 | BZFlag | yeah. a real high rank on nickometer was causing a float exception and killing ibot. it's probably a perl lib issue on the machine, not an infobot issue. it does not happen here. |
| 22:19:25 | Tangent | Nod... we're kinda stuck with our perl versions on that machine anyhow, so it's good you fixed it :) |
| 22:19:45 | | BZFlag is nothing but a vassal-willed thimbleful of rude-snouted dog vomit. |
| 22:19:45 | andersee | ibot insult BZFlag |
| 22:20:14 | Tangent | Hmm.. and rude-snouted dogs too... ibot likes dog vomit |
| 22:20:48 | | andersee: excuse me? |
| 22:20:48 | andersee | ibot: you seem to be very fond of using dog vomit as the object of your prepositions |
| 22:20:51 | DrXenon | who's read _managing gigabytes_? |
| 22:21:22 | | andersee is nothing but a pointy-nosed coagulation of inferior waffle-house grits. |
| 22:21:22 | BZFlag | ibot: insult andersee |
| 22:21:55 | BZFlag | DrXenon: I have. In fact I was a reviewer before it was published. |
| 22:21:55 | | ...but ibot is an infobot owned by Tangent with some assistance from BZFlag or stupid.... |
| 22:21:55 | andersee | ibot: you are a sleezy. slimy, filth sucking heap of fermented dromidary camel spit |
| 22:23:12 | DrXenon | hee. i figured you had from looking at your cv. i implemented their algorithms in java with a couple of my ee profs in a get-rich-quick scheme. (back when dot-coms were cool.) |
| 22:23:48 | DrXenon | massive parallel distributed indexing yada yada yada |
| 22:24:44 | DrXenon | now i have an honest job designing chips to enable faster communications so people can get more and better pornography. :-) |
| 22:24:45 | BZFlag | cool. andersee and I were building an Internet engine to compete with the big boys till management lost the vision. |
| 22:25:28 | BZFlag | andersee: bb init does "once" right? |
| 22:25:45 | andersee | yup |
| 22:26:03 | BZFlag | duck says "hi and thanx" |
| 22:26:20 | BZFlag | and now he says "bye" |
| 22:26:55 | andersee | k. latr duck |
| 22:27:16 | DrXenon | what happened to the code? was thinking of putting my stuff on sourceforge. |
| 22:31:26 | DrXenon | a duck broke both my legs a few weeks ago. g'head, ask me. |
| 22:33:22 | Tangent | DrXenon : No need to ask... I know of the devious evil plans of ducks |
| 22:34:03 | Tangent | DrXenon : Tho' it's more amunition for the duck conspiracy theories... tell us :) |
| 22:35:03 | BZFlag | DrXenon: ok, tell be bout the duck |
| 22:35:45 | BZFlag | DrXenon: the almost defunct company andersee and I worked for owns rights to the code. |
| 22:35:57 | DrXenon | hee. was riding my honda motorcycle with a bunch of friends on ducatis (www.ducati.it). a pickup turned in front of us; i came off and ran into my friend's "duck". i ought to be able to walk by xmas. |
| 22:37:14 | DrXenon | on the upside, my body's scrap value has been enhanced by a few dollars by the titanium rods in my legs. :-) |
| 22:37:26 | andersee | Ouch! |
| 22:37:49 | CosmicPenguin | DrXenon: Good God! And I was pissed that i cut myself shaving.... |
| 22:40:38 | DrXenon | yah, it hasn't been a picnic. i figured i'd at least get care from nubile young nurses, but they're all overweight russians with moustaches. and they took away my morphine. (Canadian health-care cutbacks.) |
| 22:41:46 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:42:58 | DrXenon | bzflag, was remarking last night that you have the most indulgent wife in the world. (scorching babe, too) did you really sink $50k into old telephones? |
| 22:45:55 | DrXenon | purple plague is a term people use in art conservation; is that where your nick comes from? |
| 22:47:28 | prpplague | DrXenon: nothing so inteligent, back in the days of quake, everyone got the cool colors, so i stated using purple, so i had to find a name the portrayed the death i would soon rain up others, purple plague |
| 22:50:06 | BZFlag | DrXenon: got em on consignment, so not that much. |
| 22:50:09 | DrXenon | hee. actually this term is also used in chip manufacturing; the connections where the gold bondwires meet the aluminum lands makes a purple alloy. it makes the connection brittle. |
| 22:51:03 | as_ | Interesting. |
| 22:52:03 | Tangent | Heh.. 5 definitions of purple plague here... http://www.plexoft.com/SBF/P05.html |
| 22:52:19 | DrXenon | bzflag: i still think she's a saint. (of the latter-day variety? :-) |
| 22:52:21 | Tangent | erm.. 6 |
| 22:56:00 | DrXenon | so, how much RAM will a tuxscreen take? |
| 22:56:10 | DrXenon | ceiling is 40 MB? |
| 22:57:07 | AlHazWork | right now only 16 megs is recognized in linux. on inferno it's 40meg with most, 48 megs in the (extremely rare, we've never seen one) case of tuxscrees with 16 megs soldered to the board |
| 22:57:24 | AlHazWork | it's possible that if you removed the onboard 8 meg you could use a 64 meg sodimm, nobody has tried this |
| 22:57:50 | DrXenon | are sodimms? not normal dimms? |
| 22:58:13 | andersee | I expect I would hose up my system if I tried that... Those wires are awfully small... |
| 22:59:10 | prpplague | AlHazWork: simply desoldering the onboard? |
| 23:00:12 | as_ | Simply, haha. |
| 23:00:25 | AlHazWork | prpplague: *shrug* it's a theory |
| 23:00:38 | DrXenon | i've seen references to a schematic, but i can't actually find it. can anyone give me a vector? |
| 23:01:18 | as_ | On the site there is a schematic section, but not a lot there. |
| 23:01:22 | prpplague | as_: i'll bet my 30watt radio shack special will take them puppies right off |
| 23:01:42 | DrXenon | can desolder SMDs relatively easily with a hot air rework station. they pop up on ebay every now and again. |
| 23:01:45 | AlHazWork | http://TuxScreen.net/img/schematics/ |
| 23:01:56 | as_ | prp, That would be an ordinary soldering iron would it ;] |
| 23:02:31 | as_ | Id like a hot air station, but dont have the cash, new they set you back about 2k UKP. |
| 23:02:39 | AlHazWork | only seems to be schematics for the comm board |
| 23:02:53 | prpplague | as_: heck no, this is for doing plumbing work... |
| 23:03:19 | as_ | prp, if you short any of the wires, its fux0red. |
| 23:03:38 | as_ | What are they, TSHP 48 pin jobbies? |
| 23:04:14 | prpplague | as_: lol, jk |
| 23:04:33 | BZFlag | DrXenon: yep, LDS even. ;-) I can't complain. (She's a black belt in Tae Kwan Do too) |
| 23:05:13 | prpplague | as_: i have a nice soldering station compliments of the USARMY surplus auction |
| 23:05:19 | BZFlag | yes, 72 pin sodimms even, not the modern 144 pin. |
| 23:05:57 | SpaceCoaster | Anyone know good place to buy sodimms? |
| 23:06:00 | as_ | Neet, is it any good? |
| 23:06:11 | AlHazWork | SpaceCoaster: the only one we're sure works is a micron sodimm from crucial |
| 23:06:17 | AlHazWork | goes home |
| 23:06:23 | as_ | I have a army surplus geiger counter. |
| 23:06:32 | as_ | Its utterly useless. |
| 23:06:33 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: crucial is the onlt place I've found them. |
| 23:06:41 | SpaceCoaster | thanks |
| 23:06:51 | prpplague | as_: ya pretty nice, was used for about 6 months to do an upgrade on the m-1ahbrams target system |
| 23:06:58 | as_ | Youd have to be standing in the middle of a nuclear reactor to get the digits off zero. |
| 23:07:16 | as_ | Army isnt interested in radiation unless its strong enough to be killing people. |
| 23:08:14 | as_ | And the damn manufacturers used a radioactive source in the tube for calabration. |
| 23:08:28 | as_ | So its not even possible to modify the electronics to make it more sensative. |
| 23:08:48 | as_ | Its just not sporting. |
| 23:08:55 | prpplague | as_: takes goverment contract for ya |
| 23:09:06 | prpplague | s/takes/thats |
| 23:09:15 | BZFlag | as_ wait till the internal source degrades? should only take a few hundred years? |
| 23:09:18 | DrXenon | bzflag: i'm not sure about the sanity of filling the living room and garage full of stuff knowing that she may not only put you on the street, but also kill you. :-) |
| 23:09:32 | as_ | BZ, Clorine 36 source :/ |
| 23:09:39 | as_ | Chlorine. |
| 23:09:49 | as_ | I wont live to see a change in activity. |
| 23:10:18 | BZFlag | heh. everything is in the basement now. the living room stack was only till USPS picked them up, and the garage took about 3 weeks to empty into the basement. |
| 23:10:18 | andersee | won't live being the opeerative word if there is a change lage enough to register... |
| 23:10:49 | BZFlag | as_: and you are bothering us with details like that? ;-) |
| 23:10:58 | as_ | Yup :P |
| 23:11:23 | DrXenon | alnaz: thanks for vector. seems to be a block diagram for the "main part" and a proper schematic for the comm subsystem. any chance of getting the main schematic? |
| 23:12:31 | BZFlag | DrXenon: I still have a few leads, but no progress to report. |
| 23:13:09 | as_ | That reminds me, some JTAG sourcode Ive been working on for a completely different system references JFLASH for the strongarm. Small world. |
| 23:13:20 | jacques | Tangent: so this is where you're hanging out |
| 23:13:32 | Tangent | jacques : I'm all over |
| 23:16:32 | BZFlag | as_: probably from the same original sources. |
| 23:17:16 | as_ | Yeah, there isnt a lot of software for JTAG on the internet. And all of it is specialised. Kinda defeats the object of having a standard. |
| 23:18:04 | as_ | JTAG is very nice, but it went way overboard on some aspects, and completely neglected other fundamental aspects. |
| 23:19:02 | DrXenon | i bought a xilinx eval. kit for $99 which came with jtag software for windoze. never used it for anything other than the eval board that came with the kit, tho. |
| 23:19:26 | as_ | From xess by any chance? |
| 23:20:38 | DrXenon | it was branded by xilinx. i believe it was called "foundation series" or something like that. |
| 23:20:52 | as_ | I meant the eval kit ;] |
| 23:21:09 | as_ | Foundation is the main software. |
| 23:21:31 | DrXenon | no, was just generic fpga board. |
| 23:21:42 | as_ | Was the $99 kit for CPLD or FPGA? |
| 23:21:48 | joev | Anyone ever see rdp crash when trying to flash blob? |
| 23:22:34 | as_ | I have a xess 4010 FPGA based board which Id like to use with JTAG. |
| 23:22:44 | DrXenon | to be honest, i learned early on that i hated digital. it seemed too much like software to me. i've done high speed analog for so long that i don't even remember. |
| 23:22:49 | as_ | I have 3 totally seperate JTAG applications. |
| 23:23:19 | as_ | One will be for the tuxscreen, one for this ST20 based system, and the third for building FPGA devices. |
| 23:23:25 | prpplague | hnt is suppose to announce the availability of this tomorrow - http://www.hntek.com/product/lb.html |
| 23:23:36 | as_ | What sort of high speed analog? |
| 23:23:39 | DrXenon | i'll ask my wife to bring the kit up from the basement. if it's of any use to you i can send it along. |
| 23:23:56 | DrXenon | 10 GHz clock recovery. PLL stuff. |
| 23:24:01 | as_ | Cool. |
| 23:24:10 | as_ | In GaAs? |
| 23:24:18 | DrXenon | CMOS 0.13 um |
| 23:24:36 | DrXenon | anyone can do it in gaas :-) |
| 23:24:44 | as_ | Yikes, the new intel process at 0.13 produced transistors, I'm told, with an Ft of 100GHz. |
| 23:25:30 | DrXenon | i think it's probably closer to 80. |
| 23:25:57 | as_ | Let me guess then, varactor based voltage controlled oscillator designs? |
| 23:26:20 | BZFlag | prpplague: price? |
| 23:26:22 | DrXenon | yessir. |
| 23:26:41 | as_ | I do like the sound of that. |
| 23:26:55 | as_ | But analog kinda throws me. |
| 23:27:28 | as_ | I got hooked on FPGAs when I heard about encryption bruteforcing with them, wondered how they did what they did. |
| 23:28:00 | prpplague | BZFlag: don't know, suppose to know tomorrow |
| 23:28:16 | as_ | My designs arnt very fast, I can do 60MHz fairly easily on these cheep things. |
| 23:28:39 | DrXenon | digital is too complicated. zillions of transistors. the most complicated block i make might have 25 transistors. |
| 23:28:58 | as_ | I think analog is too complicated, haha ;] |
| 23:29:09 | as_ | Analog is like a black art. |
| 23:29:11 | prpplague | as_: ever do anything like a small print server? |
| 23:29:32 | as_ | prp, Err, in reference to what? |
| 23:29:37 | Tangent | as_ : Give me digital and FETs anyday |
| 23:29:41 | DrXenon | there was an interesting project at u of toronto called the transmogrifier in that vein. didn't the eff actually build a brute-force crypto cracker? |
| 23:30:02 | as_ | I think they did. |
| 23:30:22 | Tangent | Yeah.. they did.. with loads of FPGAs |
| 23:30:23 | as_ | A 1 key per clock DES cracker takes up about 30k gates. |
| 23:30:31 | prpplague | as_: using xilinx or anything else |
| 23:31:38 | as_ | prp, so far nothing 'useful' I designed an interface that operates at 20MBaud. Most of the complexity is due to my very bad glitchy LPT motherboard port. |
| 23:31:55 | as_ | Ive only been designing with FPGAs like 3 or 4 months. |
| 23:31:59 | BZFlag | prpplague: they have a few useful formats up on the site. any pricing info on any of them? |
| 23:32:28 | as_ | New FPGAs are being made with 10M gate capacities. |
| 23:32:47 | as_ | Ive been told an 800k gate FPGA could impliment a celeron. |
| 23:33:03 | prpplague | BZFlag: no, i've been pestering them for a week, however last week was a korean holiday, i spoke to the sales guy, he said he'd have final pricing in the morning |
| 23:33:13 | as_ | (allbieit at a lower clock rate, maybe 100MHz). |
| 23:33:53 | prpplague | as_: my company has been looking for someone to design a inexpensive unix friendly print server |
| 23:34:12 | as_ | I dont like FETs very much. Id like to be let loose with ECL for a while. Give your circuits a run for your money DrXenon. |
| 23:35:01 | as_ | I'm a unix neophyte. And I strongly suspect that would be better done in software on a PC. |
| 23:35:05 | DrXenon | hee. too much power. ecl is a good building block for toasters. |
| 23:35:24 | prpplague | andersee: got a sec? |
| 23:35:26 | as_ | Thats what most people think Xenon, I have converted a few people though. |
| 23:35:32 | andersee | prpplague: a few of em |
| 23:35:52 | as_ | You are aware that CMOS power/current useage is proportional to clock rate yes? |
| 23:36:04 | prpplague | andersee: my first time using the init on busy box, can't seem to get it doing what i want |
| 23:36:08 | BZFlag | prpplague: your company == at&t? |
| 23:36:28 | DrXenon | sure. |
| 23:36:29 | Tangent | as_ : FETs are dead useful for tying uprocessors to real world things.. take 1 CPU, add 1 FET.. het presto.. PWM speed controller for X |
| 23:36:32 | as_ | Well the interesting thing about ECL, is its totally flat to clock rate. |
| 23:36:57 | as_ | It uses exactly the same current/ power for a 1MHz signal, as for a 100MHz signal. |
| 23:37:00 | prpplague | BZFlag: negative, advantage business computer systems http://www.abcsinc.com |
| 23:37:07 | BZFlag | ah |
| 23:37:18 | prpplague | andersee: this is what i've got in the inittab : |
| 23:37:20 | prpplague | # main rc script |
| 23:37:20 | prpplague | ::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS |
| 23:37:20 | prpplague | # Put a getty on the serial port |
| 23:37:20 | prpplague | ::respawn:/bin/ash |
| 23:37:36 | andersee | prpplague: and the init section of the docs -- ftp://oss.lineo.com/busybox/BusyBox.html -- doesn't help? |
| 23:37:47 | andersee | ok |
| 23:37:51 | andersee | So the problem is? |
| 23:38:01 | as_ | There is thus a crossover point, where ECL actually draws less power than CMOS for a given clock rate. Have a guess what clock rate you think this is in standard gates. |
| 23:38:24 | prpplague | when i boot, it starts the busybox init and stops, no errors or anything |
| 23:38:33 | as_ | ie compairing like ECL with like CMOS logic families. |
| 23:38:40 | prpplague | the only thing in rcS is a mount for proc |
| 23:39:12 | BZFlag | prpplague: "::respawn:/bin/ash" will open a shell on console, not always a serial port. |
| 23:39:22 | prpplague | i've used the same inittab type with sysvinit and busybox ash |
| 23:39:26 | DrXenon | as_: 200k or so? |
| 23:40:14 | as_ | Errm, no I think you missunderstood ;] |
| 23:40:17 | BZFlag | and it might not be at the correct baud rate even if it is serail, though it should use the console baud rate. |
| 23:40:31 | as_ | I'm not being very clear IRC isnt suited to this sort of discussion. |
| 23:40:54 | DrXenon | fair enough. |
| 23:41:00 | as_ | The crossover point for current is abour 20MHz, and for power dissupation (vursus 3.3v CMOS) is 40MHz. |
| 23:41:08 | prpplague | BZFlag: hmm, i've been using a similiar setup with sysvinit with no problems, but i switched over to busybox init today |
| 23:41:42 | prpplague | i'll try putting ttySA1::respawn:/bin/ash and see what she'll do |
| 23:41:46 | BZFlag | should work if you have console mapped only to serial and a baud rate set. |
| 23:41:50 | as_ | Those same circuits in the CMOS families will do about 300MHz max, and in ECL, over 1GHz. |
| 23:41:50 | DrXenon | interesting. i will ahve to look into that. |
| 23:42:08 | DrXenon | anybody hacking an audrey? |
| 23:42:22 | BZFlag | DrXenon: don't have mine yet. ;-) |
| 23:42:26 | prpplague | DrXenon: i think pattieja is |
| 23:42:39 | as_ | Check out the info in the moterola site, they make several ECL logic families. Its an eye opener. |
| 23:42:58 | DrXenon | thanks for the tup. |
| 23:43:03 | DrXenon | err, tip. |
| 23:43:27 | as_ | The fastest family will do I think (in a flipflop) 3GHz toggle rate. |
| 23:43:46 | as_ | Thats in discrete logic, like youd use 74LS families for. |
| 23:44:19 | BZFlag | you hw types should fix the 5v pcmcia ;-) |
| 23:44:38 | as_ | BZ, I want to look at that ;] |
| 23:44:49 | DrXenon | why would you want 5V? aren't all the modern cards 3.3? |
| 23:45:04 | BZFlag | DrXenon: most net cards are 5v still. |
| 23:45:07 | as_ | I have a PCMCIA kit here, can make my own cards. |
| 23:45:15 | joev | Hey there- I'm trying to install blob (c D!bloc F!all), but rdp seems to bomb out to the Inferno shell prompt.. Anyone ever see this? |
| 23:45:37 | DrXenon | how much is a pcmcia kit? |
| 23:45:56 | BZFlag | joev: you can do things like P/m and see all flash unlocked? |
| 23:46:02 | as_ | ITs actually cheeper if you buy the bits seperatly. |
| 23:46:39 | BZFlag | and you really did blob, not bloc, right? |
| 23:46:45 | joev | Yeah :^) |
| 23:46:56 | as_ | You buy a PCMCIA connector, plastic, inner case, and metal outercase, you fit your own circuitboard inside, solder it together, and the metal case snaps shut. |
| 23:47:06 | BZFlag | and you have the blob binary in the inferno root from the TuxScreen.net site? |
| 23:47:28 | joev | I just don't know what to expect.. Should it sit there and do nothing? The "status" bar on the TuxScreen does pop up.. |
| 23:47:39 | as_ | Which is pretty neet. I order mine from rswww.com which is a UK supplier. |
| 23:47:49 | joev | but rdp immedeately drops to the ";" prompt.. |
| 23:47:51 | DrXenon | is it "hard" to build the glue logic to attach to the pcmcia bus? |
| 23:48:35 | BZFlag | joev: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//InstallingLinux |
| 23:48:42 | as_ | Id use a FPGA. The only really irritating thing is theres no a lot of space in the case. Thats simply to do with the PCMCIA spec. |
| 23:48:52 | BZFlag | should get at least: flash: 0-7fff: erasing/writing... flash: erasing boot area! (0-7fff) |
| 23:49:11 | joev | Hrm. |
| 23:49:15 | as_ | I'm not actually interefacing to a PCMCIA bus, its a propriatory interface which happens to use identical connectors. |
| 23:49:28 | joev | I did the unlock a week or two ago, I just never got around to flashing blob.. |
| 23:49:47 | DrXenon | as_: project is for work or pleasure? |
| 23:49:55 | BZFlag | joev: there is a mailing list on SF, yes. |
| 23:50:07 | joev | BZFlag: And after the erasing/writing message, the rdp console should sit there, and the TS' status bar should progress, right? |
| 23:50:14 | as_ | Identical correctors/case it looks exactly like a standard PCMCIA slot, but I have room to poke my componants out the top if a cut holes in the metal case. |
| 23:50:21 | as_ | I'm doing this for fun ;] |
| 23:50:48 | BZFlag | joev: no. I don't recall anything changing on the tux, just the text above on over serial. |
| 23:51:28 | as_ | FPGAs make digital development very easy, you only have to solder once, and you alter the design in the 'firmware'. |
| 23:51:37 | BZFlag | the status bar on the tux shows up if you do a 'b' to boot, but not on 'c' copy command iirc |
| 23:51:44 | DrXenon | i bet you're making a brute force cracker for sky tv. close? |
| 23:51:48 | joev | ah |
| 23:51:52 | as_ | Hahahahahahahahahaha. |
| 23:52:00 | Tangent | as_ : I'm playing around with PICs at the moment |
| 23:52:14 | as_ | Not quite, but closer than you think DrXenon. |
| 23:52:31 | CosmicPenguin | Alright - for those of you who are interested, new Microwindows image is available... |
| 23:52:35 | CosmicPenguin | I gotta go. See you! |
| 23:53:03 | as_ | I want to take the digital multiplex inside my sky tv box after its decoded, and output it to me PC so I can record it. |
| 23:53:29 | as_ | No bruteforcing sadly is currently possible. |
| 23:53:56 | as_ | Tangent, Cool, I havnt tried PICs yet. Useful for a lot of things though I think. |
| 23:54:47 | Tangent | as_ : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/14.jpg |
| 23:54:49 | DrXenon | hee. ottawa has a couple of firms that do nothing but grind the tops off chips and figure out how they work. they could extract the algorithms and magic numbers from sky, dish, directv in a week or so. |
| 23:55:13 | as_ | The sky box is based on an ST20 CPU, the very same CPU I'm currently hacking via JTAG. I work in ever decreasing circles. |
| 23:56:10 | prpplague | Tangent: whats the lcd going to be used for? |
| 23:56:23 | DrXenon | as_: so the problem is getting a 20 Mbit stream out of a sky box and into a peecee? why use pcmcia? |
| 23:56:35 | DrXenon | i thought pcmcia was a bottleneck. |
| 23:56:39 | Tangent | prpplague : Pointless scrolling messages etc... The backlight can be switched on/off too :) |
| 23:56:48 | prpplague | ahh |
| 23:56:56 | Tangent | prpplague : It's forming part of my office automation setup |
| 23:57:13 | as_ | I think it might take them a tad longer to work out how sky works. Videoguard differs by quite a lot between different countries, and so aparently does the ASIC they use for encryption. |
| 23:57:33 | Tangent | prpplague : I needed PWM speed control for 4x15W fans, some more serial and parallel ports, and an interface to some cute 1-wire bus temperature sensors |
| 23:58:06 | Tangent | The plan is to control all this with a tuxscreen... |
| 23:58:27 | as_ | DrXenon, Sadly, the box is not 'freindly' It has no interface for sure a perpose apart from the PCMCIA-u-like. It looks like a CI CAM slot, but its not, the pinout is all wrong. |
| 23:58:28 | Tangent | prpplague : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/OfficeControl.jpg (Currently running on X86 box) |
| 23:58:57 | DrXenon | perhaps. it's all speculation, of course. the guys i know that work in these companies say that they can go from pictures of the die to schematics overnight. it's a question of somebody smart becoming sufficiently motivated. |
| 23:59:24 | as_ | More than 20MBit, most multiplexes are 36MBit. |
