| 00:00:15 | wedge | well dammit. |
| 00:00:25 | wedge | nice. my browser is hosed. |
| 00:00:33 | wedge | takes one in the ass for netscape. |
| 00:01:10 | wedge | man... browser loyalty gets you nowhere. |
| 00:01:10 | boris | what is pivot_root? |
| 00:01:15 | wedge | ah. |
| 00:01:18 | Tangent | wedge : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/net-tools_1.60-1_arm.deb |
| 00:01:21 | wedge | pivot_root is where you can point your root mount elsewhere. |
| 00:01:25 | wedge | that's what Bryan said he used to mount root via nfs |
| 00:01:28 | boris | ahh ha |
| 00:01:30 | boris | yes |
| 00:01:33 | boris | i gotcha |
| 00:01:41 | Tangent | wedge : You seen the script I use for 'intimate' to boot via nfs ? |
| 00:01:42 | boris | thats really quite clever :) |
| 00:01:50 | wedge | nopers. haven't seen it. |
| 00:03:03 | wedge | man. tuxscreen is ruining my life. |
| 00:03:07 | wedge | my wife almost left me last night over it... |
| 00:03:12 | wedge | i'm super distracted at work over it... |
| 00:03:17 | wedge | i had a dream about it. |
| 00:03:20 | wedge | is gonna SUE. |
| 00:03:21 | wedge | heheheheh. |
| 00:03:28 | wedge | sues you for 30 tuxscreens! |
| 00:03:42 | Tangent | Heh.. I got prior IP on that one... I did that months ago :) |
| 00:03:53 | Tangent | Something like January :) |
| 00:04:09 | wedge | hehehehe. |
| 00:06:14 | Tangent | wedge : |
| 00:06:21 | Tangent | http://intimate.handhelds.org/installer/linuxrc.intimate |
| 00:06:28 | Tangent | Damn keyboard playing up now |
| 00:07:17 | boris | ok |
| 00:07:19 | scanline | Does this SODIMM need to be installed when doing the FlashUnlock? |
| 00:07:35 | wedge | no |
| 00:07:48 | scanline | good :) |
| 00:07:59 | vosque | oh |
| 00:08:02 | vosque | that would be annoying. |
| 00:08:28 | wedge | yep |
| 00:08:55 | vosque | Couldn't use the 12-volt chopsticks of doom anymore. |
| 00:08:58 | wedge | just make sure you've got a good 12volt source |
| 00:09:02 | boris | anyone know what line in need to put in /etc/exports to allow me to nfs mount /file/tuxscreen/root and be able to read and write it? |
| 00:09:07 | wedge | i went to a truck stop |
| 00:09:12 | wedge | and found a good sized diesel rig |
| 00:09:28 | wedge | for a couple of hits of methamphetamines, Brutus agreed to let me hook up jumper cables to his marine battery. |
| 00:09:47 | wedge | boris: there are files on the wire.. ust look for example nfs /etc/exports |
| 00:09:54 | wedge | i've got one on my NetBSD strongarm machine.... |
| 00:10:17 | boris | wedge: where? |
| 00:10:43 | wedge | @home..... |
| 00:10:47 | wedge | lemme see if i can log into the machine.... |
| 00:11:29 | boris | if you could tell em what i need |
| 00:11:34 | boris | that'd rock :) |
| 00:11:38 | wedge | one sec.... |
| 00:11:42 | wedge | i'm sure you can find one on the web... |
| 00:12:26 | wedge | argh. |
| 00:12:29 | wedge | not finding it. |
| 00:12:37 | wedge | i forgot what addr i gave it,a nd it's not responding to broadcast pings. |
| 00:12:38 | wedge | oh wait. |
| 00:12:39 | wedge | duh. |
| 00:12:43 | wedge | the diskless boot serer. heheheh. |
| 00:13:02 | wedge | NetBSD/arm32 () (ttyp0) |
| 00:13:05 | wedge | mmmmmmmmm. |
| 00:13:13 | wedge | why do i always 'bate when i see that? |
| 00:13:23 | wedge | doh |
| 00:13:24 | boris | heh |
| 00:13:27 | wedge | i've got the wrong arm plugged in. |
| 00:13:28 | wedge | this one has a disk. |
| 00:13:29 | wedge | hehehehehhe. |
| 00:13:34 | wedge | i've been swappin 'em out next to the tv. |
| 00:13:39 | wedge | but |
| 00:13:43 | wedge | i have the fstab on the boot server. hehehe. |
| 00:13:47 | prpplague | wedge: what kinda box is your netbsd/arm ? |
| 00:13:55 | wedge | DNARD aka shark |
| 00:14:01 | wedge | ever seen one? |
| 00:14:07 | prpplague | negative |
| 00:14:12 | wedge | svideo and rca video out... |
| 00:14:15 | wedge | svga out.. serial.... |
| 00:14:17 | wedge | zip drive... |
| 00:14:20 | wedge | infrared |
| 00:14:21 | prpplague | url?? |
| 00:14:23 | wedge | eide drive |
| 00:14:27 | wedge | one sec. |
| 00:14:34 | vosque | neat |
| 00:14:43 | vosque | do those things have storage? |
| 00:14:51 | vosque | worth talking about, anyway |
| 00:15:06 | wedge | they can. |
| 00:15:12 | wedge | they have a zip drive.. and an eide controller |
| 00:15:15 | wedge | i have one with a laptop drive in it |
| 00:15:17 | wedge | and one that boots dickless |
| 00:15:26 | wedge | that wasn't a typo. it truly has no dick. |
| 00:15:29 | wedge | it doesn't have a disk either. |
| 00:15:44 | wedge | 233mhz strongarm |
| 00:15:50 | wedge | if you use madplay, it decodes mp3s just fine. |
| 00:16:19 | scanline | looks for a 12V battery and some aluminum chopsticks... |
| 00:16:23 | wedge | http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/iag/ |
| 00:16:37 | wedge | has 2 of 'em. |
| 00:16:41 | wedge | lookin for more. |
| 00:16:53 | wedge | if it just had a touch screen and pcmcia slots, i'd be set. |
| 00:17:13 | prpplague | they ever show up on ebay? |
| 00:17:30 | scanline | hehe. There's a good 12V supply in the EE lab, maybe I should do my tuxscreen erasing there :) |
| 00:18:46 | prpplague | what kinda geeks are you? you should have ever standard volt within an arms length |
| 00:19:29 | scanline | Well, I have a good switching power supply in this drawer here... It's an ATX supply with binding posts :) |
| 00:19:48 | scanline | I can hook it up to a pair of multimeter probes |
| 00:20:18 | prpplague | scanline: don't think an atx is going to do the job |
| 00:20:29 | scanline | why not? |
| 00:20:51 | boris | gah |
| 00:20:51 | boris | god damn it |
| 00:21:12 | prpplague | atx usualy require a load and input to switch on |
| 00:21:30 | scanline | prpplague: I know. I've got that covered :) |
| 00:21:38 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 00:21:45 | scanline | This one requires about 100mA on the 5V output and it's fine |
| 00:21:58 | scanline | How long do you have to have the 12V on there? |
| 00:22:19 | prpplague | ask wedge he's recently done an erase |
| 00:22:39 | prpplague | i can't get time to work on mine till saturday |
| 00:22:44 | scanline | ah |
| 00:22:58 | scanline | wedge: how long do you have to hold the 12V on there to erase it? |
| 00:23:29 | wedge | what kinda geeks are you. |
| 00:23:30 | wedge | hehehehe. |
| 00:23:33 | wedge | prpplague... you rock. |
| 00:23:36 | boris | long enough to issue P/u 0 |
| 00:23:39 | wedge | scanline: it prompts you. |
| 00:23:49 | wedge | if the voltage isn't there, it prompts and waits for it. |
| 00:23:51 | wedge | kinda groovin. |
| 00:24:15 | scanline | cool |
| 00:24:18 | scanline | thanks |
| 00:24:32 | wedge | man. this little slut that caters our dinners here is kinda hot. |
| 00:25:55 | wedge | i said 'do you speaka my language' |
| 00:26:00 | wedge | she just smiled and gave me a vegimite sandwich. |
| 00:26:17 | Tangent | Heh.. do you come from the land down under? |
| 00:26:18 | prpplague | she likes you |
| 00:26:24 | wedge | Heh. |
| 00:26:27 | Tangent | Where women glow and men chunder |
| 00:26:34 | wedge | glad someone caught it :) |
| 00:27:06 | wedge | my band did that song for a party recently.... was very cool. |
| 00:27:16 | wedge | that guy had an insanely wide vocal range |
| 00:27:28 | Tangent | Yeah.. I got that track here :) |
| 00:27:37 | wedge | right on |
| 00:27:41 | wedge | where you from, tangent? |
| 00:27:47 | scanline | Anyone else here been watching the Star Trek marathon on TNN? |
| 00:27:53 | wedge | Nope. |
| 00:27:58 | wedge | But I saw that hot chic on the cover of Maxim. |
| 00:28:19 | wedge | stroked thrice. |
| 00:29:20 | Tangent | puts 'Men at Work - Down Under' on :) |
| 00:29:29 | vosque | hmm. |
| 00:30:43 | wedge | Heheheh. |
| 00:30:45 | wedge | Nice, amigo-san. |
| 00:30:53 | wedge | The Right Reverend Sammy. |
| 00:30:56 | wedge | Greetings and Salutations. |
| 00:30:58 | wedge | Are you a Sammy? |
| 00:31:07 | wedge | Care for some Moons over my Hammy? |
| 00:32:08 | prpplague | scanline: i'm watching stng off/on |
| 00:33:20 | scanline | :) |
| 00:35:00 | Tangent | gets stumped... OK.. so now I've fixed all the errors that were stopping me getting an X session to my laptop... Still doesn't work... but no errors anymore... Hmmph |
| 00:38:52 | sammy | hello |
| 00:39:31 | scanline | dang, I can't find any light bulbs or LEDs or anything to load my ATX with. I guess I'll head down to the lab with my TuxScreen :) |
| 00:40:43 | prpplague | scanline: if you ever run across an external scsi case, that has a great power supply to keep around the house |
| 00:41:27 | scanline | prpplague: I have a better power supply at my house, but this ATX is all I have at the dorm :) |
| 00:41:40 | prpplague | ahh dorm life... |
| 00:41:53 | scanline | is away: At the school's EE lab unlocking my tuxscreen's flasm memory |
| 00:42:01 | scanline | is away: At the school's EE lab unlocking my tuxscreen's flash memory |
| 00:45:01 | prpplague | wedge: looks like dnard has the same case as my old dec alpha |
| 00:51:07 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: thanks for the email |
| 01:09:47 | scanline | is back (gone 00:27:54) |
| 01:10:27 | scanline | that worked nicely |
| 01:13:44 | scanline | I suppose now I get to load blob on this thing! |
| 01:23:35 | scanline | Hmm |
| 01:24:04 | scanline | I'm trying to use infernoremote to transfer blob over... I run bind and rdp, but it stops on the line: |
| 01:24:09 | scanline | sboot jumpstart vector: 0x40 |
| 01:24:27 | Russ | do you hit the keys on the tuxscreen right? |
| 01:24:34 | scanline | escape, then ctrl-a |
| 01:25:03 | scanline | the tuxscreen display is blank |
| 01:25:35 | Russ | isn't it ctrl-e? I forget |
| 01:26:16 | scanline | the wiki says ctrl-a |
| 01:27:58 | Russ | o |
| 01:28:28 | scanline | is the screen supposed to be blank? ctrl-e did something different. |
| 01:30:36 | scanline | ctrl-e was going to erase my boot area in 10 seconds, so i turned off the phone :-/ |
| 01:33:16 | Russ | ? |
| 01:33:35 | Russ | do you get anything on the host side? |
| 01:34:19 | scanline | Yeah. It gets up to the 'sboot jumpstart vector' line, but nothing past that |
| 01:34:35 | Russ | what are you using, inferno, or minicom |
| 01:34:40 | scanline | inferno |
| 01:35:05 | Russ | ok, I think the next step is waiting for the tuxscreen |
| 01:35:11 | Russ | maybe you cable is wrong/bad? |
| 01:35:43 | scanline | i doubt it, but it's a possibility. Normal null modem cable, right? |
| 01:35:53 | Russ | right |
| 01:35:59 | Russ | is it on ttyS0? |
| 01:36:02 | scanline | yep |
| 01:36:11 | scanline | I know the port works, i use it for my Helio development |
| 01:37:54 | Russ | are you a user with permissions to the serial port that isn't root |
| 01:38:01 | scanline | yes |
| 01:38:20 | scanline | i have a feeling it's something wrong with my installation of inferno on the desktop computer |
| 01:40:47 | Russ | ; bind -a '#'t /dev |
| 01:40:47 | Russ | ; rdp -s9600 -r |
| 01:40:48 | Russ | ? |
| 01:41:28 | scanline | I've tried 9600 and 115200 |
| 01:43:27 | Russ | laundry |
| 01:43:54 | Tangent | <- Bed |
| 02:03:24 | wedge | you guys ready for me to go home, get drunk and say stupid shit again? |
| 02:03:26 | wedge | heheh. |
| 02:03:35 | wedge | #tuxscreen is a place the whole family can enjoy. |
| 02:03:39 | wedge | especially if they're derranged. |
| 02:04:15 | scanline | laughs pseudo-maniacally |
| 02:06:08 | as2 | Only psuedo? |
| 02:06:16 | wedge | heh. |
| 02:06:18 | scanline | not late enough... |
| 02:06:29 | scanline | A few more hours and I can be fully maniacal |
| 02:07:12 | as2 | Shame I wont be around to see it. |
| 02:07:25 | as2 | Its 4am here now. |
| 02:07:39 | scanline | Only 9pm here |
| 02:08:03 | scanline | pulls hair out |
| 02:08:19 | scanline | I can't get this inferno remote past the 'sboot jumpstart vector' line |
| 02:08:49 | as2 | I wish I could help, but I havnt got mine yet. |
| 02:09:20 | scanline | ah. How long you have left to wait? |
| 02:09:41 | as2 | Shipping will be up to 6 weeks. |
| 02:10:43 | scanline | Took about 1 week from order to arrival for me. But based on your time zone you don't live close to Utah, eh? |
| 03:28:39 | as_ | Nite all. |
| 03:40:33 | lfj | boo |
| 03:40:52 | lfj | Has anyone here heard of anyone hacking the audry? |
| 03:43:59 | lfj | guess not.. I'll ask another time when more converstation is going.. |
| 03:46:12 | scanline | wahoo |
| 03:46:20 | scanline | now has blob on his tuxscreen! |
| 03:46:26 | andersee | cool |
| 03:57:02 | scanline | is there any way to change the brightness and contrast from the command line? |
| 03:59:23 | BZFlag | not yet. |
| 03:59:44 | scanline | but there's an ioctl() on /dev/fb0 for it? |
| 04:01:06 | BZFlag | with the Russ patch that locks up on some tux's. It works on others. |
| 04:04:17 | andersee | BZFlag: did you see -- I finally posted v0.4 in the downloads section... |
| 04:04:34 | scanline | andersee: That's what I'm running :) |
| 04:05:03 | scanline | this is cool! 80x30 text console on my phone :) |
| 04:05:07 | andersee | cool beans! Like the new blob? No speed changes needed. :) |
| 04:05:17 | scanline | yep! All at 115200 |
| 04:05:48 | scanline | I was having a lot of trouble with infernoremote... that thing's picky about the serial port |
| 04:08:20 | scanline | This jffs2 filesystem is neat |
| 04:08:39 | andersee | yup |
| 04:42:26 | BZFlag | andersee: did you include pppd yet? |
| 04:44:09 | answer | do alot of people use ppp over the serial port instead of ethernet? |
| 04:51:30 | BZFlag | on the tux? not that I know of. SpaceHmmmmm has it working. |
| 04:51:48 | andersee | I received a patch for it, but I havn't even looked at it I'm sorry to say... |
| 04:51:55 | andersee | I can bounce it to you... |
| 04:52:01 | BZFlag | I looked at it, but didn't test it. |
| 04:52:11 | BZFlag | andersee: send it to the -dev list k? |
| 04:52:41 | andersee | Whats the address again? I looked last night and ther had been no emails for a while... |
| 04:53:29 | andersee | is leaking file descriptors in my device detection code, causing the partiton table to not be re-read as requested. |
| 04:53:34 | andersee | I found a bug |
| 04:54:38 | andersee | And there I was about to email poor al viro... As usual, my fault |
| 04:54:43 | BZFlag | http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=20228 |
| 05:02:27 | andersee | k. done |
| 05:03:36 | andersee | I bounced it, so you may/may not have to approve it -- depending on your mailman settings. |
| 05:04:04 | andersee | wanders off to find where he is leaking file descriptors |
| 05:04:12 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:24:24 | andersee | all fixed. Now its behaving itself |
| 05:24:39 | andersee | BZFlag: so is the move all finished now? |
| 05:29:05 | BZFlag | pretty much... try this.. ssh andersen@rikers.org ... ssh juicy.eng.lineo.com ... ssh slag |
| 05:29:15 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 05:29:58 | andersee | Will do. |
| 05:30:15 | andersee | Can do I this yet? ssh oss.lineo.com ... ssh <anywhere>? |
| 05:32:12 | BZFlag | still no. |
| 05:33:27 | andersee | Have you talk to IS about it? Do they have a reason, or simply incompetence? |
| 05:33:57 | BZFlag | no reason yet, not high on the fix list yet either. |
| 05:34:37 | BZFlag | they are renumbering the whole intranet... all the other offices (that remain) are in flux. |
| 05:35:14 | andersee | readdressing? i.e. Changing providers? |
| 05:35:59 | BZFlag | no, just moving everything to non-routables in preparation for moving providers. |
| 07:36:57 | Russ | BZFlag: get a chance to test udhcp 0.9.6 with the bootp stuff yet? |
| 07:37:50 | Russ | its a debian package now btw, the arm autobuild hasn't caught up with 0.9.6 yet though |
| 07:49:00 | andersee | Russ: when the autobuilder catches it, I'll give it a go on my Netwinder... I could use the spare meg... |
| 07:51:13 | GoRK | hola andersee |
| 07:51:24 | Russ | yah, the arm autobuilder seems a bit slow |
| 07:51:30 | andersee | greetings and salutations |
| 07:51:31 | GoRK | what's news? |
| 07:51:56 | andersee | dunno |
| 07:52:11 | GoRK | me neither |
| 07:52:43 | andersee | I've been trying to keep my head down and get some work done... The work I supposed to be doing for a change. :) |
| 07:53:03 | andersee | Russ: any kernel progress? |
| 07:53:22 | GoRK | heh yeah ditto. i had to do stuff i get paid for today also :) |
| 07:53:30 | andersee | mtd code still hosed? |
| 07:53:55 | Russ | andersee: I was waiting for the next nico release, its midterms week |
| 07:54:03 | andersee | GoRK: I like work. Just ususlly not the kind I supposed to do... |
| 07:54:32 | andersee | Russ: ahh. midterms.... I recall those days. What clases you have> |
| 07:54:54 | Russ | engineering statistics, operating systems, modern physics, and intro to religion |
| 07:55:20 | GoRK | i had to do a bunch of statistics and data mining stuffs today... it was kinda fun... only after i got all the SQL done, i had to build the charts in MS Access for stupid sales people who need to be able to tweak them. blah |
| 07:55:25 | andersee | eng stats is fun. Demming and such. |
| 07:58:42 | andersee | I enjoyed doing design of experiments stuff when I took that class. We got permission and did some experiments doing metal casting using an inductive furnace. :) |
| 08:01:05 | Russ | we crunch numbers |
| 08:01:26 | andersee | Oh, well we had to do that too. |
| 08:02:12 | andersee | But we had to gather some data first. No better way then 2700 degree aluminum... ;) |
| 08:03:52 | GoRK | back in highschool, we liked to have contests in chemistry class as to who could shoot a 50 gallon steel oil drum the farthest |
| 08:04:26 | scanline | extra points if the drum was actually full of oil? |
| 08:04:31 | GoRK | one time we got one to go straight up about 150ft, but when we tried to shoot it at an angle, things failed miserably |
| 08:04:46 | GoRK | and it kind of just caught the ground on fire |
| 08:05:47 | GoRK | whoever had the idea of duct taping "astronauts" made out of paper towels onto the inside of the barrel was blamed for that one |
| 08:06:15 | GoRK | hehe |
| 08:06:38 | GoRK | wheres' the code? maybe i can help |
| 08:07:09 | GoRK | err wrong window |
| 08:07:15 | andersee | he |
| 08:07:32 | GoRK | it'd be too dangerous to say something like that in here |
| 08:09:16 | GoRK | :) |
| 08:10:46 | andersee | I've got plenty of code you could work on... |
| 08:10:48 | andersee | :) |
| 08:11:08 | GoRK | i bet |
| 08:19:15 | scanline | is away: sleep |
| 08:51:34 | hugh_half | I've a simple query about the TuxScreen if I may... |
| 08:53:24 | hugh_half | ...Can you use the phone section as a simple phone without the OS running ? |
| 09:04:52 | BZFlag | yes. pulse dial, no speaker phone. |
| 09:05:19 | BZFlag | touch tones/speaker phone require something talking to the dsp. |
| 09:06:48 | sammy | BZFlag : have you see I tell to you ? |
| 09:08:54 | BZFlag | sammy: yep. decided yet? paypal when ready |
| 09:09:40 | sammy | at now is 4 , and waiting the fifth . |
| 09:10:19 | sammy | can you help me to calc how much I need to sent to you ? |
| 09:10:42 | sammy | if 5. |
| 09:16:32 | boris | hey all |
| 09:25:30 | boris | ok |
| 09:25:34 | boris | can anyone help me here? |
| 09:26:14 | boris | i have an issue with nfd |
| 09:26:18 | boris | nfs |
| 09:26:20 | boris | that i can seem to solve |
| 09:27:08 | boris | i can't seem to write stuff as root to the mount |
| 09:27:16 | boris | or rather it write's it as nobody |
| 09:36:02 | andersee | rootsquash? |
| 09:36:25 | boris | i have the line: |
| 09:36:40 | boris | /files/tuxscreen/root (rw,no_root_squash) |
| 09:37:26 | boris | but it still seems to make root == nobody |
| 09:38:39 | BZFlag | try: /files/tuxscreen/root 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0(rw,no_root_squash) |
| 09:38:56 | boris | k |
| 09:41:27 | boris | BZFlag:thanks for the tuxscreens they rock :) |
| 09:45:24 | boris | and my touch screen works :) |
| 10:19:11 | BZFlag | cool |
| 10:23:00 | andersee | Cool! |
| 10:23:39 | andersee | Looks like David McCullough may have found the uClibc bug that was driving me nuts on x86! |
| 10:23:48 | andersee | Trying his patch now... |
| 10:27:00 | andersee | Yup. That fixed it. sweet |
| 10:31:32 | boris | BZFlag: once i can nail this nfs bug |
| 10:31:43 | boris | BZFlag: i have a load of stuff to hack0r |
| 10:32:43 | andersee | such as? |
| 10:32:51 | andersee | inquiring minds want to know... |
| 10:33:19 | boris | well port ferite my small scripting eninge to uclibc |
| 10:33:32 | boris | create a load of bindings to microwindows for cosmicpoenguin |
| 10:33:52 | boris | then i want to hack on port Imlib2 and evas to microwindows |
| 10:34:07 | boris | in the mean time i want to get my hands dirty and do some hack0ring of the kernel |
| 10:38:06 | boris | THERE YOU GO :) |
| 10:38:13 | boris | crumbs |
| 10:38:18 | boris | caps lock was on |
| 10:38:19 | boris | :) |
| 10:44:27 | andersee | sounds fun |
| 10:44:30 | andersee | :) |
| 10:46:11 | boris | heh, btw i like your build root thingy wotsit, just need to get arm gcc installed so i can use it =P |
| 10:51:52 | andersee | heh |
| 10:52:02 | andersee | It is pretty cool... |
| 10:52:30 | andersee | It nice to start with such a little thing, watch it suck down and compile up like 30 megs of sources. |
| 10:52:42 | andersee | pretty impressive to watch |
| 10:52:56 | andersee | If I do say so myself. which I do... |
| 10:52:57 | andersee | :) |
| 10:53:04 | boris | :) |
| 10:53:32 | boris | i am so excited - been gagging to get this phone, got it wednesday, installed linux on ityesterday, and playing about with it now :) |
| 10:55:43 | andersee | did you use the 0.4 binaries I posted? |
| 10:56:58 | boris | yep |
| 10:57:12 | andersee | cool beans |
| 10:57:24 | boris | reinstalling them now (i install cp's micrwindows one just now) |
| 10:58:44 | boris | how come the backlight on your binaries is now as good with the microwindows one? |
| 10:58:52 | boris | the middle of the screen is quite dark |
| 11:00:48 | ejadles | Does anyone know if Aleph1 is still selling JTAG dongles? |
| 11:00:51 | andersee | I do not include the screen blanking / brightness kernel patch, since it locks up some phones... |
| 11:01:03 | boris | ahhh k |
| 11:01:14 | boris | i'm pleased my touchscreen works under linux |
| 11:02:10 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: where can I get the blanking/brightness patch? |
| 11:03:31 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: my touchscreen is broken under linux maybe it will also lock up |
| 11:04:26 | andersee | It will. |
| 11:04:53 | andersee | All phones where the touchscreen doesn't work lock solid with the blanking patch |
| 11:05:16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin has the patch. I've got it around somewhere |
| 11:07:12 | SpaceCoaster | any ideas what might be wrong? |
| 11:08:16 | BZFlag | andersee: go to bed already. |
| 11:10:25 | andersee | BZFlag: I might tell you the same thing! |
| 11:10:55 | andersee | BZFlag: I've made _huge_ amounts of progress this evening/morning though... |
| 11:19:04 | boris | thanks for the nfs line - it worked a charm |
| 11:19:26 | BZFlag | boris: sweet. |
| 11:21:10 | boris | now that i have nfs working, i can install familiar and debian |
| 11:22:04 | boris | my house mates reaction to the tux screen was "I 'm doing the wrong course, i wanna be playing with cool shit like that" |
| 11:28:59 | boris | BZFlag: how did you install familiar? |
| 11:31:19 | BZFlag | just grabbed the all tarball (not the jffs2 version) and untarred onto a CF, then used PivotRoot to start it up. |
| 11:31:34 | boris | ahh |
| 11:31:51 | boris | so if i get the tarballs, and tar zxvf onto a nfs mount |
| 11:31:56 | boris | then use pivot_mount |
| 11:32:01 | boris | it should all be ok? |
| 11:32:59 | BZFlag | sure. the untarring can be done right on the nfs server. be sure to do use the 'p' option to preserve permissions. |
| 11:33:24 | BZFlag | you will need a minimal linuxrc on the nfs mount. |
| 11:33:36 | boris | k |
| 11:33:48 | boris | and it's just the .ipk files yeah? |
| 11:34:19 | boris | (and they are just tar.gz's? |
| 11:34:39 | boris | oh, and how can i change the turn on image? |
| 11:37:38 | BZFlag | huh? you want the initial root image that is installed during a familiar install, but grab the tar version not the jffs2 image. then use the wiki PivotRoot page to boot into it. |
| 11:37:55 | BZFlag | bed finally.... |
| 11:37:55 | boris | k |
| 11:38:02 | andersee | Me too... |
| 11:38:14 | andersee | Night... err. morning. |
| 12:36:33 | RedBaron | Morning |
| 12:43:01 | prpplague | morning all |
| 12:50:31 | boris | hey hey hey |
| 12:56:57 | boris | mallum: y0 |
| 12:57:24 | boris | mallum: got muh tuxscreen working |
| 12:57:45 | mallum | cool |
| 12:57:51 | mallum | reeeespect :) |
| 12:58:07 | boris | linux kicks so much arse |
| 12:58:24 | mallum | have you tried an gui's on it yet ? |
| 12:58:33 | boris | i tried microwindows |
| 12:58:37 | boris | and i also tried familiar |
| 12:58:41 | boris | but that seems screwy |
| 13:11:41 | RedBaron | Hey guys. Has anyone had a problem where their tuxscreen was DOA? |
| 13:23:54 | | I haven't seen 'ibot', CosmicPenguin |
| 13:23:54 | CosmicPenguin | ibot1: seen ibot? |
| 13:24:09 | CosmicPenguin | hehehe... |
| 13:31:19 | boris | CosmicPenguin: got microwindows going, fucking nice job :) |
| 13:32:29 | CosmicPenguin | boris: sweet... I assume your touchscreen works then? |
| 13:33:02 | CosmicPenguin | Thanks for your praise - Now that you are ready to start hacking, we can get something that looks lots better, huh? |
| 13:35:19 | boris | CosmicPenguin: yiup :))))) |
| 13:35:24 | boris | yup :) |
| 13:36:58 | mallum | I think Im gonna have to falsh my other phone this weekend and hope the touchscreen works on that one |
| 13:38:09 | mallum | s/falsh/flash/ ... obviously .. |
| 13:41:45 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i might just be me but i've noticed something with regards to the 0.2 release |
| 13:42:01 | boris | CosmicPenguin: when the screen blanks, you touch it and it then comes back, the screen isn't as bright |
| 13:43:04 | boris | any ideas? |
| 14:06:51 | signal11 | join #censoft |
| 14:06:53 | signal11 | doh |
| 14:07:37 | CosmicPenguin | boris: I don't know..... I haven't noticed that happen.... which kernel did you use? |
| 14:36:10 | CosmicPenguin | I have some SpaceCoaster: Thnx for the PPPD patch... :) |
| 14:36:26 | CosmicPenguin | Oops, that was statements in one...... sorry... |
| 14:45:33 | answer | mmm. alhaz. |
| 14:47:58 | AlHazWork | hi answer |
| 14:59:37 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: could i have a copy of the backlight patch, pretty please. |
| 15:00:05 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: For the kernel? Sure... :) |
| 15:00:16 | CosmicPenguin | Lemme dig it up... I recently did a little housecleaning.... |
| 15:01:35 | CosmicPenguin | SpaceCoaster: Watch the e-mail.... |
| 15:04:18 | SpaceCoaster | CosmicPenguin: thanks, got the mail |
| 15:25:34 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: btw thanks for your email |
| 15:27:05 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: no problem |
| 15:30:13 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: if i ever get time, i've got to get a server running so i can switch over to my domain name |
| 15:35:08 | SpaceCoaster | did you need ppp for that? |
| 15:39:00 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: i'm using the tuxscreen rootfs on another platform and i really needed pppd to do some dev work. i'd planned on getting my own pppd stuff working this weekend, however now that i have yours i can move on to pcmcia issues |
| 16:10:47 | prpplague | i hope every one here has read this and signed the petition - http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/02/1622228 |
| 16:13:04 | AlHazWork | i sincerely doubt that our government would even look at an online petition |
| 16:14:08 | RedBaron | I agree ... but might as well do it. Only takes about 15 seconds |
| 16:14:29 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i feel the same way, however maybe the press can use the info when reporting this issue |
| 16:16:07 | AlHazWork | http://www.hatchmusic.com/ <-- Frightening |
| 16:18:14 | prpplague | AlHazWork: hmm, that is scary, and probably kick back for something, after all what music record exec would really think he'd make money on that? |
| 16:18:31 | AlHazWork | prpplague: No kidding |
| 16:19:24 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, Hatch is a somewhat strong proponent of artists rights.... |
| 16:21:03 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: DMCA, too |
| 16:23:23 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Indeed. |
| 16:24:08 | CosmicPenguin | A PCMCIA network skeleton driver sis needed.... |
| 16:24:55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what did you have in mind? |
| 16:25:18 | CosmicPenguin | Seems that most of the PCMCIA setup is similar... am I wrong? |
| 16:26:34 | prpplague | i'd agree with that |
| 16:27:36 | AlHazWork | I just don't trust politicians, and started to dislike orrin hatch a whole lot when his cronies sent me an alarming letter explaining that if i didn't give money to his campaign, Wen Ho Lee would start WWIII |
| 16:27:53 | CosmicPenguin | So, we need something like pci-skeleton.c for pcmica setup.... |
| 16:27:53 | AlHazWork | right about the time the feds admitted they didn't have a shred of evidence |
| 16:32:02 | signal11 | big government politicians like that definitely are scary |
| 16:32:42 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: I have always disliked Hatch, and I am proud to live in Utah and have the chance to vote against him every time.... |
| 16:33:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: of course, anytime you start using a skeleton of sorts, you lose flexiblity |
| 16:33:37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: True, but its a great starting point, especially with something as stupidly complicated as card services... |
| 16:34:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you may have a point, i'm going to be diving into pcmcia stuff this weekend, i might be alittle more informed monday |
| 16:35:24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: For example, I'm writing a new pcmcia driver, so I am using orinoco_cs as a reference, but I have no idea how much of this crap is required, and how much of it is specific to the HW at hand... |
| 16:37:03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh i see your point, when creating unknowcard.c just do an include for pci-skeleton.c and then add hw specific actions? |
| 16:38:42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: pci-skeleton.c shows how all calls should be made. Of course, you would need to have your own symbols, but it is a great starting point... |
| 16:39:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: makes sense |
| 16:39:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: more so in the case of a driver newbie |
| 16:39:51 | CosmicPenguin | Exactly |
| 16:40:09 | prpplague | i.e. me |
| 16:40:21 | CosmicPenguin | and Like me in the case of a pcmcia driver... |
| 16:40:34 | CosmicPenguin | Plus, it saves a ton of repetitive typing... |
| 16:44:42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the board i'm working on uses a CL-DP6722 pcmcia controler instead of the sa based control, so this weekend i'm going to attack that... |
| 16:46:49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Wow.... Thats an effort... |
| 16:49:17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its not that big, the CL-DP6722 is already supported under linux, and i have full documents from the board manufacturer |
| 16:49:48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as i understand it from the manudacturer, should be just changing a few register addresses |
| 16:50:13 | prpplague | the key word is SHOULD |
| 16:51:14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Hopefully.... My manufaturer just sent me the windows code for my driver... its a little obtuse.... |
| 16:51:46 | prpplague | thats a given... |
| 16:53:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ever see the simpson episode where homer decides to kill himself? he gets this hugh rock from the back yard and carries it all the way to a bridge where he sees an identical rock siting there |
| 16:54:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yep.... In fact, I just got that one on DVD.... :) |
| 16:54:49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats the way i feel trying to read through code for windows |
| 16:55:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I agree.... |
| 16:56:06 | CosmicPenguin | Wanna see a 300ms delay? |
| 16:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | LARGE_INTEGER Initial; |
| 16:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | LARGE_INTEGER Now; |
| 16:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | const LONGLONG DELAY = 3000000;//300 msecs |
| 16:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | KeQuerySystemTime(&Initial); |
| 16:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | do |
| 16:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | { |
| 16:56:13 | CosmicPenguin | KeQuerySystemTime(&Now); |
| 16:56:15 | CosmicPenguin | }while(Now.QuadPart < Initial.QuadPart + DELAY); |
| 16:56:17 | CosmicPenguin | Geez.... |
| 16:56:28 | RedBaron | *laugh* Gawd |
| 16:56:35 | Russ | ummm....usleep... |
| 16:57:09 | RedBaron | I love busy waits. Nothing like chewing up cpu time for no reason |
| 16:57:14 | Russ | and what if that rolls overZ |
| 16:57:15 | Russ | oops |
| 16:57:23 | GoRK | hahahahahahahaha sourceforge approved the short bus project hahahaha |
| 16:57:35 | GoRK | wh00t |
| 16:58:00 | Russ | road trip! |
| 16:58:03 | Russ | anyway, work |
| 17:04:30 | RedBaron | Yegawds. Linux just locked up hard on my dual p3 box. |
| 17:04:39 | RedBaron | Extremely unusual |
| 17:09:07 | prpplague | RedBaron: 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:10:15 | RedBaron | prpplague: Ayup. |
| 17:10:33 | RedBaron | prpplague: 2.4.7 to be exact. Havent updated too recently. |
| 17:14:23 | prpplague | RedBaron: we've been using rhat7.1 on some duals and had some lock ups |
| 17:14:44 | signal11 | might be 2.4.10... |
| 17:15:42 | signal11 | i have had 3 lockups since going to 2.4.10, during backup to a scsi tape drive |
| 17:16:18 | signal11 | i'm debating whether to go back to 2.4.9 or try an ac patch |
| 17:29:18 | scanline | is back (gone 09:10:03) |
| 17:32:03 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: 2.4.9-ac17 is quite stable |
| 17:32:32 | signal11 | the regular 2.4.9 was quite stable too! |
| 17:32:46 | signal11 | i wonder how the 2.4.10-ac* series is |
| 17:33:11 | signal11 | kernel-of-the-day is quite a time-sucking habit |
| 17:34:04 | Russ|werk | signal11: nvidia drivers? |
| 17:34:55 | signal11 | no, just a cheapie ati 128 |
| 17:34:58 | GoRK | i got some hacked up-blended-half outa cvs-xfs kernel on this one server that has been going strong for over 100 days now |
| 17:35:09 | GoRK | it's funny |
| 17:35:16 | signal11 | gork those are the best aren't they |
| 17:35:25 | signal11 | i had a production server on 2.1.something for quite some time |
| 17:35:39 | GoRK | if by 'best' you mean 'the only ones that dont crash' then yes, they are the best |
| 17:47:42 | RedBaron | prpplague: Yah. I'm running a redhat 6.2 manualy upgraded to something completely different. |
| 17:48:04 | RedBaron | prpplague: I'm not going to mess around with the redhat 7.x atrocity of a compiler. |
| 17:57:26 | prpplague | running to lunch guys, bbl |
| 17:57:43 | RedBaron | Seeyas |
| 17:57:58 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: We're starting to see situations though, where code won't compile on *PRE* 2.96 compilers, very sad situation indeed... |
| 17:58:14 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: bleck. Thats bad. |
| 17:58:38 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: AlHaz had that problem with our very own mke.jffs2 yesterday |
| 17:59:10 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: In fact...Thats realy bad. Seeing as redhat is the most used distro, that hacked up gcc may end up being the default standard in some fashion. Ugh. I dont like that idea. |
| 17:59:25 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Yah. I saw you guys talking about that yesterday. |
| 18:00:41 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: I know, its not good... it is my belief that Redhat should not rock the boat as hard because of their position as "industry" leader... |
| 18:01:25 | CosmicPenguin | But then again, I choose their distro fully knowing the problems, so I guess the burden is on me |
| 18:01:28 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: what ever became of uclibc++? |
| 18:02:37 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Yah. RedHat has been pushing stuff way too quickly. They started doing that ever since they IPO'd. I suppose the share holders want results. But before that...RedHat didnt have these problems. I left slackware for redhat way back then simply because they were much better tested and thought out than slackware. Unfortunately...thats not so now. :/ |
| 18:02:42 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: ?? I think that andersee wants to do it, but he would also like to see some money to finish the job... |
| 18:03:10 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Understandable really.... |
| 18:03:48 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: They've got to try to compete with you know who..... |
| 18:05:49 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: True. |
| 18:06:43 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: But I dont think anyone will ever be able to win against microsoft by playing microsofts own game against them. That game being 'get it out there, damn the consequences if it works or not. Just get it out.' |
| 18:08:29 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: I'm sure that those poor folks who hold Red Hat (TM) brand toilet paper (formally known as stock certificates) see it differently... |
| 18:09:01 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Anyway, Red Hat is moving for the embedded development market anyway.... The desktop is dying, and everyone knows it... |
| 18:09:42 | CosmicPenguin | Oops, thats s/formally/formerly/ |
| 18:17:59 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Hmmm. I cant see RedHat (One of the most bloated linux distros) doing embedded to well..and yah. I heard about them pushing for embedded stuff |
| 18:18:34 | boris | CosmicPenguin: y0 |
| 18:18:38 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Give me the debian base install. Thats all I realy need. Unless we are talking something as embedded as the tuxscreen. :) |
| 18:18:48 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i will be emailing you a ton of questions if that is ok |
| 18:20:31 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Fire away! |
| 18:21:52 | boris | my flat mates are really gfucking impressed by the tuxscreen |
| 18:22:01 | boris | and they know next to nothing about computers |
| 18:22:11 | RedBaron | It is a nifty little machine :) |
| 18:22:17 | boris | yep |
| 18:22:23 | boris | even better with linux on it |
| 18:22:38 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Thats when you know you're doing something really good, when non-geeks go -- Hey, thats cool! |
| 18:22:42 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i'll grab your email address later, i am currently avoding getting ready to go out |
| 18:22:54 | boris | CosmicPenguin: yeah i agree |
| 18:23:08 | boris | you know it's definatly uberleet if nongeeks think it rocks |
| 18:23:09 | boris | :) |
| 18:23:28 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Ok. I usually don't read my e-mail over the weekend, so if you don't hear from me before monday, is that cool? |
| 18:23:44 | RedBaron | boris: hehe. My girlfriend thought my tuxscreen was cute when she saw it. Which means cool. |
| 18:23:49 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i'll email you at somepoint over the weekend, and monday is cool - wont have time to hack at the weekend |
| 18:23:53 | boris | RedBaron: :) |
| 18:23:57 | CosmicPenguin | boris: *nod* |
| 18:23:59 | boris | i've yet to show my gf |
| 18:24:00 | boris | =P |
| 18:24:17 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: My girlfriend said "How much did you spend again?" |
| 18:24:36 | CosmicPenguin | I guess she wasn't very impressed... |
| 18:24:41 | boris | CosmicPenguin: there are some stuff i have already thought of to make the microwindows stuff done so far better |
| 18:24:53 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Cool - I am open to any suggestions... |
| 18:25:00 | boris | yep |
| 18:25:08 | boris | well i need to aks a load of questions which i'll email you |
| 18:25:15 | boris | (is it justin@censoft.com?) |
| 18:25:26 | CosmicPenguin | jordanc@censoft.com... |
| 18:25:27 | signal11 | jordanc |
| 18:25:31 | boris | ahh k |
| 18:26:07 | boris | CosmicPenguin: and i have to say thanks for emailing the nanox mailing list about these - i doubt i'd have ever found them :) |
| 18:26:45 | CosmicPenguin | boris: no problem - Unfortunately, I couldn't interest anybody else..... |
| 18:26:54 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: *chuckle* Yah. some people dont know how much it costs for cpu power. My girlfriend understands that some what. I just recently built her a machine and walked her through the options and balanced price to what she wanted. |
| 18:27:22 | boris | CosmicPenguin: well they are foolish, these things are *so* cheap |
| 18:27:37 | RedBaron | boris: yup. they are incredibly cheap |
| 18:27:50 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Yep... plus, every penny I spend on geek stuff is a penny less for a diamond right, right? |
| 18:27:51 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i am also reallyfuckingglad that my touchscreen works |
| 18:27:55 | CosmicPenguin | s/right/ring/ |
| 18:28:06 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: *laugh* Yah...I suppose it is. |
| 18:28:22 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Me too, I would have been afraid for your health if it haddn't... |
| 18:28:48 | RedBaron | boris: No doubt. :P Mine is still dead. Waiting to hear back from bzflag about it. |
| 18:28:53 | boris | i have to say that the inferno stuff was interesting but realy fucking ugly |
| 18:28:53 | boris | CosmicPenguin: hehe yep :) i think i'd have cried |
| 18:28:55 | boris | i thinking of getting another one |
| 18:29:02 | boris | so i can have one for devel and one for release |
| 18:29:11 | boris | the one for release gets updated every now and then |
| 18:29:20 | boris | the devel one gets abused =P |
| 18:30:11 | boris | bounces |
| 18:30:12 | boris | :) |
| 18:31:11 | boris | ok |
| 18:31:13 | boris | hm |
| 18:31:26 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i was thinking, ViewML is written in c++ isn't it? |
| 18:31:31 | signal11 | yes |
| 18:32:00 | boris | hmm |
| 18:32:40 | CosmicPenguin | boris: why hmm? |
| 18:39:24 | boris | i was just thinking ;) |
| 18:39:32 | boris | i will tell you of my thoughts later :) |
| 18:39:36 | boris | am off now =P |
| 19:30:18 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Howdy |
| 19:31:45 | BZFlag | RedBaron: hey. just reading your email. |
| 19:31:51 | RedBaron | BZFlag: *nod* |
| 19:31:57 | BZFlag | Sounds like I should ship you a new power supply. |
| 19:32:06 | RedBaron | BZFlag: That would be great. :) |
| 19:32:18 | scanline | Which library should ntohs and friends be in? |
| 19:32:30 | BZFlag | You ordered FlashUnlock, right? so we know the phone worked while it was here. |
| 19:32:49 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Unfortunately the tuxscreen power supply is very weird. So I dont realy have a way to power up the phone and test it. |
| 19:33:17 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Yes I did. I saw the scratches on the contacts for unlocking the flash too. The ones I'm sure your dongle put on it. |
| 19:33:34 | BZFlag | true. Don't try. I'll ship you another ps. It's won't make today's shipment though. |
| 19:33:53 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Okay. Thats fine. |
| 19:34:20 | RedBaron | BZFlag: Thanks a lot. :) |
| 19:35:58 | RedBaron | scanline: You talking uClibc or regular glibc? |
| 19:36:09 | scanline | uClibc |
| 19:36:38 | RedBaron | scanline: Okay. in that case I dont know. But in glibc, its part of libc. |
| 19:36:41 | scanline | I'm trying to compile PicoGUI's onscreen keyboard |
| 19:36:50 | scanline | lots of errors like: |
| 19:36:56 | scanline | /tmp/ccMB8YYB.o(.text+0x94): undefined reference to `ntohl' |
| 19:36:59 | scanline | /tmp/ccMB8YYB.o(.text+0x94): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 ntohl |
| 19:37:09 | RedBaron | scanline: and it does ntohl? Weird. |
| 19:37:53 | RedBaron | scanline: Hmm...well I guess its not that weird. If PicoGUI uses sockets to communicate between processes |
| 19:38:14 | scanline | well, I had no trouble compiling cli_c and pgserver, both of which use nthol, etc. |
| 19:38:15 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Though ntohl isn't often used on Unix sockets... :) |
| 19:38:36 | scanline | This is in the code to read the portable compiled keyboard files |
| 19:39:49 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: true |
| 19:40:11 | scanline | maybe there's a header file I'm forgetting... |
| 19:40:38 | RedBaron | scanline: Could easily be. Any warnings about implicit declaration of nothl? |
| 19:40:48 | RedBaron | erm. ntohl. |
| 19:40:48 | scanline | no |
| 19:40:58 | scanline | thinks he figured it out... |
| 19:41:41 | scanline | Ah! Just needed to include netinet/in.h |
| 19:41:53 | RedBaron | scanline: :) That'd do it. |
| 19:42:05 | BZFlag | to work... |
| 19:50:21 | scanline | has an onscreen keyboard on his TuxScreen now |
| 19:51:51 | RedBaron | scanline: sweet |
| 20:13:42 | scanline | i have a map |
| 20:21:22 | scanline | ack. wrong window... |
| 20:24:14 | AlHazWork | Hey, is this a pass or a fail? the touchscreen on this phone works, but x & y are reversed |
| 20:24:38 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a pass.... |
| 20:25:08 | CosmicPenguin | Wait.... what do you mean? x is y and y is x? |
| 20:25:39 | AlHazWork | er, no, they are both inversed |
| 20:25:52 | AlHazWork | so i touch the upper right corner and the pointer goes to the lower left |
| 20:25:53 | CosmicPenguin | Ok... <whew>.... |
| 20:26:09 | signal11 | are mallum & i still hosed? |
| 20:26:10 | CosmicPenguin | Thats definately a pass, you can send an ioctl() to reverse those... |
| 20:27:07 | AlHazWork | How on earth do i get xfbdev to display in landscape mode instead of portrait mode? |
| 20:27:14 | AlHazWork | familiar looks funny on it's side . . . |
| 20:32:53 | prpplague | anyone here running linux under itanium yet? |
| 20:34:42 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: touchscreen on the phone in my cube works, sortof mirror imaged |
| 20:36:33 | andersee | AlHazWork: is this a phone with a previously non-working touchscreen? |
| 20:41:10 | AlHazWork | andresee: I've never tried the touchscreen on it before |
| 20:48:51 | pattieja | prpplague: saw a demonstration of an Itanium before they were "officially" released |
| 20:48:57 | pattieja | at our local Linux SIG |
| 20:49:17 | AlHazWork | ok, xfbdev is the right way up, now if only rxvt weren't screwed up. oh, and the touchscreen too |
| 20:49:26 | prpplague | pattieja: was just told about 10minutes ago we have two units coming in for eval... |
| 20:49:33 | pattieja | wow |
| 20:49:36 | prpplague | pattieja: don't even know where to begin |
| 20:49:47 | prpplague | pattieja: i'm more on the thin client side |
| 20:49:47 | pattieja | that must've set you're company back a good chunk of change |
| 20:49:59 | pattieja | prpplague: kind of nasty the way they've got stuff setup |
| 20:50:24 | pattieja | you have to define a FAT partition to store all booting code for the different OS's you want to run |
| 20:50:47 | prpplague | eeeuuwww |
| 20:50:56 | pattieja | so you would define a FAT partition to hold the kernel, etc., but the kernel would mount root on ext2 or reiser or whatever |
| 20:51:17 | prpplague | Fat is not phat |
| 20:52:34 | prpplague | pattieja: i think i'm going pass this one off on someone else |
| 20:56:29 | pattieja | hehe |
| 20:56:40 | pattieja | prpplague: I wasn't all that impressed with the thing |
| 20:56:56 | pattieja | yeah, so it can hold 64GB of RAM, whipty |
| 20:57:27 | pattieja | even though it was a test platform, it booted slower than my brother's Cyrix 200+ |
| 20:57:37 | prpplague | AlHazWork: whats wrong with you rxvt? |
| 20:57:54 | prpplague | pattieja: hmmm |
| 20:57:58 | pattieja | but maybe it's better now |
| 20:58:09 | pattieja | of course there were other neat things that they had done with it |
| 20:58:26 | pattieja | they have all the "legacy" connections on one daughter board that plugs into one of the 64-bit PCI slots |
| 20:58:56 | pattieja | so all you normal things like keyboard, mouse, VGA video, serial, parallel, etc. are on that one daughterboard. Nothing embedded on the motherboard |
| 20:59:09 | AlHazWork | prpplague: the rxvt included with familiar on my tuxscreen is utterly fubar |
| 20:59:14 | pattieja | I will admit the heatsinks on the CPU's were really cool. They polarized light. |
| 20:59:52 | pattieja | oh, and prpplague, each heat sink has it's own individual powersupply |
| 21:00:13 | pattieja | sorry not heat sink, CPU |
| 21:00:13 | prpplague | pattieja: i'm going to reserve judgement untill we get these evals in, but i'm going to pass it on to one of the other r&d guys... |
| 21:00:27 | prpplague | pattieja: each has its own?? |
| 21:00:39 | pattieja | you might have fun playing with it. Does it run any other OS's right now besides Linux? |
| 21:00:44 | pattieja | prpplague: yep |
| 21:01:03 | pattieja | 4 individually powered, individually cooled CPU's. I think they might have been hot-swappable as well. |
| 21:01:11 | prpplague | hmm |
| 21:01:12 | pattieja | not sure about that though. |
| 21:01:26 | prpplague | AlHazWork: bad compile? |
| 21:01:32 | Tangent | Evening All |
| 21:01:36 | prpplague | howdy |
| 21:02:22 | prpplague | we were going off on a "tangent" not related to tuxscreen conversation.... |
| 21:02:39 | pattieja | this is true |
| 21:04:22 | AlHazWork | http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/rxvt.jpg <-- looks like this |
| 21:04:54 | AlHazWork | prpplague: all i did was untar task-familiar-complete.tar.gz onto a cf card and make some changes to /dev/ts and whatnot |
| 21:06:15 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya i'd say its fudged |
| 21:07:03 | prpplague | AlHazWork: if you find out what the problem was drop me a note, i tinker around with rxvt, but never seen it do that... |
| 21:07:28 | AlHazWork | prpplague: the familiar people have done something odd to it |
| 21:07:44 | AlHazWork | antialiased fonts or something |
| 21:22:51 | Tangent | rxvt has been hacked to use TrueType fonts for familiar |
| 21:24:28 | dondas | Antialiasing? :) |
| 21:25:20 | AlHazWork | Tangent: it aparantly doesn't work on larger screens |
| 21:31:24 | Tangent | dondas : Yeah.. antialiasing |
| 21:34:15 | CosmicPenguin | Argh! Why is bluetooth so damn confusing? |
| 21:36:57 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 21:37:13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its concept was thought up by sales people not engineers? |
| 21:37:15 | Tangent | Evening as |
| 21:37:45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: It would help if I wasn't trying to parse this from Windows drivers, too I guess... |
| 21:37:55 | as_ | Hi Tangent. |
| 21:38:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you working on a bluetooth stack? |
| 21:39:22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: No, just a driver... I'm probably going to use Bluez for a stack... |
| 21:39:54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: who's chipset? |
| 21:40:25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Brand new company... to tell you the truth, I was just handed some .cpp files and told - Try to get this into linux.... |
| 21:41:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my kinda assignment... |
| 21:41:21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good luck! |
| 21:42:12 | prpplague | can anyone suggest some good detailed docs on linux pcmcia? |
| 21:42:34 | pattieja | prpplague: you might start at pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net |
| 21:43:54 | prpplague | pattieja: ya i've got some of their docs, i'll have a look again |
| 21:44:12 | Tangent | http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-HOWTO.html http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-PROG.html |
| 21:45:09 | prpplague | pattieja: btw, what did you do to that tcsx-1 i sent you? the guys down in hardware were "ooh" and "aahh" over it... |
| 21:45:26 | prpplague | Tangent: thanks |
| 21:46:00 | pattieja | prpplague: huh? just put LPP on it. hehe. With our PC & Web Xperience, Inc. logo |
| 21:46:16 | pattieja | plus flashed the BIOS, plus put LILO Etherboot on it |
| 21:49:27 | prpplague | pattieja: guess the hardware guys just hadn't seen one loaded with anything other than our standard stuff |
| 21:49:45 | pattieja | cool |
| 21:50:31 | prpplague | pattieja: your going to like the tcsx-3 |
| 21:52:38 | pattieja | k |
| 21:58:53 | prpplague | 800mhz,128mram,32 DOM, up to 8 meg shared video ram, 2usb, audio, no fans |
| 21:59:08 | pattieja | prpplague: how'd you pull that off? |
| 21:59:19 | pattieja | same or similar size? |
| 21:59:25 | prpplague | pattieja: lot bigger case.... |
| 22:01:06 | prpplague | pattieja: going to retail around $340 |
| 22:03:37 | pattieja | prpplague: did you design it yourself? |
| 22:03:54 | prpplague | BZFlag: what's the latest on that one tuxscreen that had been hacked to support 5v pcmcia? |
| 22:04:12 | prpplague | pattieja: negative, i've sub'ed this one out |
| 22:04:33 | pattieja | prpplague: sounds like off-the-shelf parts to me |
| 22:04:37 | BZFlag | no latest. Lucent has some, shaggy has one. neither is talking. |
| 22:04:38 | pattieja | have you seen one yet? |
| 22:05:41 | prpplague | pattieja: ya the board is a super micro atx from risecom using the idragon processor, the only special stuff is the case and ps |
| 22:05:54 | prpplague | BZFlag: bummer |
| 22:05:55 | pattieja | gotcha |
| 22:06:22 | pattieja | that's around the same price as ours are going for, except we use totally off-the-shelf, so it still has fans |
| 22:06:40 | pattieja | that's very amazing that you've got 800MHz (full speed?) without a cooling system |
| 22:06:55 | prpplague | ya the idragon is fast and is cool |
| 22:07:16 | pattieja | sounds really neat |
| 22:07:53 | prpplague | the next generation of the board will have 32meg flash on board |
| 22:08:08 | pattieja | cool |
| 22:08:39 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'd sure like to know how they did that... |
| 22:09:26 | AlHazWork | there's a guy who might figure it out himself, but there's no word yet on that front other than that he owns some pcmcia diagnostic gear |
| 22:12:11 | CosmicPenguin | Bye all! |
| 22:12:15 | prpplague | later |
| 22:12:58 | pattieja | shouldn't that be knights? |
| 22:13:39 | prpplague | who knows with monty python... |
| 22:14:42 | prpplague | argh its going to take me all weekend to wade through this documentation.... |
| 22:14:58 | AlHazWork | the frenchman was prettu sure it was k-nig-hts |
| 22:20:16 | prpplague | AlHazWork: who is the guru that has the pcmcia diag gear? |
| 22:22:22 | wedge | evenin. |
| 22:22:26 | prpplague | howdy wedge |
| 22:22:43 | wedge | howdy, prplppletr |
| 22:23:10 | prpplague | rofl |
| 22:24:35 | wedge | man... i'm assuming i'm doing something horribly wrong... |
| 22:24:42 | wedge | uClibc needs to be compiled against for everything, right? |
| 22:24:51 | prpplague | wedge: why are you going blind? |
| 22:25:16 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Duck's friend Curt |
| 22:25:26 | AlHazWork | prpplague: since you don't know Duck that's meaningless |
| 22:25:43 | AlHazWork | EE background, works (worked?) for a company that makes (made?) java chips |
| 22:25:45 | AlHazWork | in SLC |
| 22:25:54 | prpplague | AlHazWork: ya just figure maybe it was someone on the wiki/irc group |
| 22:25:58 | AlHazWork | nah |
| 22:26:05 | AlHazWork | he's got a few phones hto |
| 22:26:06 | AlHazWork | tho |
| 22:26:57 | wedge | i can't get cross compiled binaries to work to save my life. |
| 22:27:05 | prpplague | AlHazWork: i'm in pcmcia mode, got to get my pcmcia working |
| 22:27:07 | wedge | <prpplague> wedge: why are you going blind? |
| 22:27:09 | wedge | eh? |
| 22:27:15 | wedge | dude... that's an easy question. |
| 22:27:29 | wedge | i jerk so much i had one of my nads removed and had a lotion dispenser put in. |
| 22:27:54 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:28:36 | wedge | for anyone who cares: |
| 22:28:40 | wedge | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=M975-9000%20P |
| 22:29:26 | prpplague | wedge: isn't the audrey x86 based? |
| 22:29:54 | wedge | i thought so. |
| 22:30:00 | wedge | says it's a 200mhz national semiconductor processor. |
| 22:30:08 | wedge | but my friend here wrote a buncha driver code for it. he says it's x86. |
| 22:30:15 | wedge | he's hookin me up wit one fo free. |
| 22:30:30 | wedge | typically stays away from x86 |
| 22:30:35 | wedge | i'd have none of it if it weren't for Tribes. |
| 22:30:38 | wedge | is a tribes addict. |
| 22:31:19 | prpplague | wedge: i wonder how audrey would do as thin client... |
| 22:31:29 | prpplague | pattieja: don't you have an audrey? |
| 22:31:33 | pattieja | wedge NSP Geode |
| 22:31:35 | pattieja | prpplague: yep |
| 22:31:41 | prpplague | ltsp? |
| 22:31:42 | pattieja | it is an x86 based processor |
| 22:31:43 | wedge | yeah. |
| 22:31:47 | pattieja | prpplague: would be really nice |
| 22:31:49 | wedge | that's what i figgered. |
| 22:31:49 | pattieja | not yet |
| 22:32:03 | pattieja | the only problem is the IPL on the CF onboard |
| 22:32:16 | pattieja | it's only tuned to run a QNX filesystem image |
| 22:32:56 | wedge | nods. |
| 22:33:16 | pattieja | hopefully someone will be able to hack it so Linux will run on it eventually |
| 22:33:23 | wedge | no doubt. |
| 22:33:31 | AlHazWork | goin home |
| 22:34:37 | pattieja | wedge: there's also a message board list that details how to overclock it from 200MHz to 333MHz. All you have to do is add a fan. |
| 22:34:51 | pattieja | to help with the (normal) "extra" heat |
| 22:51:30 | prpplague | argh this pcmcia is a brain drain... |
| 22:53:47 | wedge | no doubt. |
| 22:53:57 | wedge | if i could just get this 802.11 card working.... |
| 22:54:02 | wedge | hell. i'd buy more tuxscreens. |
| 22:54:44 | mallum | what card is it ? |
| 22:54:59 | prpplague | ya my boss wanted to buy enough for the entire office... |
| 22:55:01 | wedge | Linksys |
| 22:55:10 | wedge | Intersil PRISM2 based card. |
| 22:55:40 | Russ|werk | get a CF sleeve and CF 802.11 card |
| 22:55:48 | wedge | i know..... |
| 22:55:58 | wedge | just got 2 extra 802.11 cards right now.. don't wanna fork out the bucks for yet another one... |
| 22:56:03 | wedge | i know the Linksys should work... |
| 22:56:11 | wedge | i get so close... |
| 22:56:16 | wedge | can bring up the interface n'all.... |
| 22:56:24 | wedge | just dies when i try to ifconfig it and put an addr on it |
| 22:56:32 | wedge | so i'm trying to build iwconfig or ifconfig with the cross compiler. |
| 22:56:48 | wedge | i've noted binaries from say an iPaq don't seem to run on the Tuxscreen.... |
| 22:56:55 | wedge | very frustrating... |
| 22:57:16 | Russ|werk | they do |
| 22:57:28 | Russ|werk | you just need the right libraries on the tuxscreen |
| 22:57:34 | wedge | hrm. |
| 22:58:37 | wedge | i should at least see# /sbin/iwconfig |
| 22:58:39 | wedge | ugh |
| 22:58:47 | wedge | i should at least see something other than: |
| 22:58:48 | wedge | # /sbin/iwconfig |
| 22:58:58 | wedge | /sbin/iwconfig: No such file or directory |
| 23:00:20 | Russ|werk | no |
| 23:00:25 | Russ|werk | if it can't find ld-so, thats what a binary says |
| 23:00:41 | mallum | wedge: can you get iwcommon.c compiled with uClibc ? |
| 23:00:46 | wedge | i tried :( |
| 23:00:51 | wedge | i don't have an ld.so on my tuxscreen. |
| 23:00:59 | wedge | wtf.... |
| 23:01:12 | Russ|werk | you have the ld.so for uclibc |
| 23:01:18 | Russ|werk | but not for glibc |
| 23:01:18 | wedge | i do? |
| 23:01:21 | wedge | ah. |
| 23:01:38 | wedge | where is the one for uclibc? |
| 23:01:39 | Russ|werk | yes |
| 23:01:42 | wedge | what's it called on the tuxscreen? |
| 23:01:51 | Russ|werk | uclibc is about 250k uncompressed, total iirc |
| 23:01:59 | Russ|werk | glibc is about 1M total |
| 23:02:16 | Russ|werk | ld-uClibc.so.0 |
| 23:02:21 | wedge | ah. |
| 23:02:29 | wedge | word. |
| 23:02:54 | wedge | so what should i do? try to get glibc no it? or just try to get all my stuff to compile against uClibc? |
| 23:02:55 | Russ|werk | you can add glibc if you want, or compile it statically |
| 23:02:59 | wedge | nods. |
| 23:03:11 | Russ|werk | compiling against uclibc would be best |
| 23:03:39 | wedge | cool. i've had no luck with that tho. |
| 23:03:42 | wedge | not for ifconfig... |
| 23:03:58 | Russ|werk | ifconfig is in bb |
| 23:04:07 | wedge | no.. |
| 23:04:12 | wedge | i'm trying to build a standalone ifconfig |
| 23:04:20 | Russ|werk | it should build |
| 23:04:21 | wedge | cuz the problem seems to occur with ifconfig... |
| 23:04:39 | wedge | would it be beneficial to try to get glibc on the box? |
| 23:04:44 | Russ|werk | if its an oops, then its not ifconfig's fault |
| 23:05:12 | wedge | ti was an oops originally. then i put a new kernel on it... |
| 23:05:16 | wedge | i don't think i get the oops anymore. |
| 23:05:19 | wedge | but it still dumps hex. |
| 23:05:21 | wedge | lemme look.. |
| 23:05:33 | wedge | yeah. it's an Oops. |
| 23:05:38 | wedge | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000 |
| 23:05:41 | wedge | Internal error: Oops: 0 |
| 23:05:42 | Russ|werk | then its something kernel |
| 23:05:45 | wedge | buh. |
| 23:05:59 | wedge | man. so 2 kernels down... need to build another i guess.... |
| 23:06:03 | Russ|werk | try getting it through ksymoops |
| 23:06:10 | Russ|werk | or backtrace it, see what its doing |
| 23:06:23 | Russ|werk | its dereferencing a null pointer somewhere |
| 23:06:57 | wedge | damn. no System.map to check for this hex addr for either. |
| 23:07:14 | Russ|werk | its in linux/System.map |
| 23:08:17 | wedge | wow. nowhere inthe system.map |
| 23:08:27 | wedge | i have no linux/System.map on this image, btw. |
| 23:08:44 | Russ|werk | no, where you built the kernel |
| 23:08:47 | wedge | yeah. |
| 23:08:53 | wedge | i grepped it from there.. no dice. |
| 23:09:04 | Russ|werk | you have to use the entered at addresses |
| 23:09:09 | Russ|werk | not the entered from addresses |
| 23:09:34 | Russ|werk | and if you compiled with omit frame pointer, the backtrace is no good |
| 23:10:07 | wedge | i did a standard compile from buildroot.. |
| 23:10:36 | wedge | damn. the hex dump just mae its way out of my scrollback buffer. |
| 23:10:51 | wedge | i'm such a tuxscreen junkie i'm at work ssh'ing into my home machine with a serial cable to my tuxscreen. hehehe. |
| 23:10:59 | wedge | can't put the card in it to test either.. cuz the machine will crash instantly. |
| 23:11:11 | wedge | i should say, can't call my old lady to put the card in it |
| 23:13:40 | mallum | hmmm I just got iwcommon.c to compile .... needs libm though :( |
| 23:15:10 | Russ|werk | uclibc has a libm iirc |
| 23:15:38 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 23:15:42 | wedge | buh. |
| 23:15:43 | wedge | man... |
| 23:15:45 | wedge | so stupid question... |
| 23:15:51 | wedge | i'm trying to build this ifconfig from source.. |
| 23:15:54 | wedge | i set CC to /usr/bin/arm-linux-gcc |
| 23:15:59 | wedge | i set my -L to /usr/arm-linux/lib |
| 23:16:08 | wedge | but how do i specify that i want to use uClibc for my clib? |
| 23:16:18 | Russ|werk | ummm |
| 23:16:19 | Russ|werk | no |
| 23:16:29 | Russ|werk | set CC=arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 23:16:40 | Russ|werk | LD=arm-uclibc-ld |
| 23:16:43 | Russ|werk | etc... |
| 23:16:46 | wedge | oh holy god. gotcha. |
| 23:16:49 | mallum | Russ|werk: apparently uClibc's libm is broke on arm |
| 23:16:50 | Russ|werk | don't set a -L |
| 23:16:54 | wedge | gotcha. |
| 23:16:59 | wedge | man. |
| 23:17:00 | Russ|werk | it does a bunch of magic stuff |
| 23:17:04 | wedge | <- moron |
| 23:17:14 | Russ|werk | mallum: can you link with glibc libm.a? |
| 23:17:18 | wedge | thanks for being patient with me, fellaz :0 |
| 23:17:20 | wedge | :) |
| 23:17:22 | andersee | mallum: only partly broken. |
| 23:17:44 | mallum | andersee: ;) |
| 23:17:58 | andersee | mallum: I finally got the bugs I was working on fixed, so the arm libm bugs are just about at the top of my todo list now |
| 23:18:29 | Russ|werk | anyway, to the dorm place |
| 23:18:40 | mallum | andersee: many thanks. I really dont want to sound like Im hassling you cos honestly theres _no_ rush. |
| 23:19:12 | andersee | Well, I want those bugs fixed too. |
| 23:20:03 | mallum | cool |
| 23:20:08 | wedge | anyone got an strace binary handy? |
| 23:20:54 | mallum | I have a uClibc arm iwconfig binary compiled if anyone wants to test configuring a wavelan card |
| 23:21:03 | wedge | dude |
| 23:21:06 | wedge | that would be rather sweet. |
| 23:21:13 | wedge | can you hook a brotha up? |
| 23:21:29 | mallum | wedge whats you email ? |
| 23:21:33 | wedge | wej@pimping.com |
| 23:21:45 | cory | hmm |
| 23:21:53 | cory | your old lady? is that like your so? |
| 23:21:57 | wedge | yeah. |
| 23:22:13 | cory | <- wouldn't know, having never been on a date |
| 23:22:18 | wedge | really cory? |
| 23:22:21 | wedge | how old are you? |
| 23:22:24 | cory | nearly 20 |
| 23:22:30 | wedge | male? |
| 23:22:34 | cory | yeah. |
| 23:22:40 | wedge | dating is highly overrated. |
| 23:22:49 | cory | this is my second year in a coed dorm |
| 23:22:56 | wedge | i know a guy who preaches prostitution. he says he doesn't pay them for the convenience of sex.. he pays them so that he's guranteed th ey'll leave afterwards. |
| 23:23:05 | wedge | don't sweat it, amigo. |
| 23:23:43 | cory | shrugs |
| 23:23:55 | cory | it's annoying |
| 23:23:59 | wedge | dating just distracts you from your tuxscreen. |
| 23:24:03 | cory | haha |
| 23:24:05 | andersee | lol |
| 23:24:06 | wedge | what's annoying? not having been on a date, or dating itself? |
| 23:24:12 | mallum | wedge: sent |
| 23:24:17 | cory | no, not having a girl |
| 23:24:17 | wedge | mallum: you da *man* |
| 23:24:20 | wedge | ah. |
| 23:24:21 | wedge | yeah. |
| 23:24:27 | wedge | calouses are no fun. |
| 23:24:31 | mallum | wedge: lets see if they work first .... |
| 23:24:40 | wedge | before i started dating, i was going through a bottle of jergens a week. |
| 23:24:44 | wedge | and that's no easy task for a 9 year old. |
| 23:24:50 | wedge | mallum: heh. word. |
| 23:25:03 | mallum | wedge: ack you'll probably need libm on your tuxscreen .... should have compiled it statically |
| 23:25:09 | mallum | slaps forehead |
| 23:25:17 | wedge | mallum: like the email addr. |
| 23:25:22 | wedge | doh. |
| 23:25:23 | wedge | hehehe. |
| 23:25:25 | wedge | i'll try to build one. |
| 23:25:51 | andersee | mallum: latest buildroot compiles and installs libm... (most of it actually does work) |
| 23:26:10 | wedge | hrm. |
| 23:26:14 | mallum | andersee: cool :) /me must cvs update |
| 23:26:16 | wedge | i just built with buildroot like a day or so ago. |
| 23:26:25 | cory | how small is a tuxscreen? |
| 23:26:28 | cory | would it fit in a backpack? |
| 23:26:32 | wedge | yeah. |
| 23:26:35 | wedge | if you laid the display down. |
| 23:26:42 | cory | cheap laptop? ;) |
| 23:26:44 | wedge | heh. |
| 23:26:53 | wedge | with a microdrive, yeah. |
| 23:27:06 | wedge | you'd look goofy with an analog phone in your lap tho. |
| 23:27:07 | wedge | heheheh. |
| 23:27:20 | andersee | And a detached keyboard... |
| 23:27:21 | wedge | that would *not* improve the dating factor. |
| 23:27:33 | cory | chicks dig my iBook2 |
| 23:27:44 | mallum | cory: no they dont |
| 23:27:48 | cory | haha |
| 23:27:53 | wedge | mallum: Amen. |
| 23:27:55 | wedge | heheheheheheh,. |
| 23:28:01 | wedge | cory: keep telling yourself that, man. |
| 23:28:08 | cory | even named it chick-magnet :( |
| 23:28:16 | wedge | mallum that's a swank little chunk of namespace. |
| 23:28:25 | wedge | 10.am |
| 23:28:41 | wedge | no way. |
| 23:28:44 | wedge | you're an HE custoemr!? |
| 23:28:50 | mallum | I used to be |
| 23:28:54 | wedge | dude. |
| 23:28:54 | mallum | they run my mail and dns |
| 23:28:59 | wedge | i know those guys really well :) |
| 23:29:01 | wedge | very cool couple. |
| 23:29:03 | mallum | cool |
| 23:29:04 | wedge | i host my machine there. |
| 23:29:06 | mallum | they good |
| 23:29:09 | wedge | emergency.shutdown.com |
| 23:29:10 | wedge | yeah. |
| 23:29:13 | wedge | i've only heard one complaint.... |
| 23:29:16 | mallum | s/they/there/ |
| 23:29:19 | cory | hrm, where have I heard of shutdown.com |
| 23:29:31 | wedge | a friend had a bgp peering session th rough them and was getting about 1/3rd of the radb. |
| 23:29:35 | wedge | cory: dunno. |
| 23:29:47 | wedge | the misanthropic bitch.... chickssuck.com... pimping.com.. |
| 23:29:51 | wedge | i host a bunch of freaks. |
| 23:29:51 | prpplague | i'm out of here guys, back in the am to do battle with pcmcia code... |
| 23:29:53 | prpplague | night |
| 23:29:57 | cory | yeah, oh, you host them? |
| 23:29:57 | wedge | later |
| 23:30:06 | wedge | nods. |
| 23:30:06 | cory | nice |
| 23:31:23 | mallum | andersee: to update my buildroot, I just need to cvs update the main dir, uClibc dir and busybox dir right ? |
| 23:32:20 | wedge | oh holy nuts. |
| 23:32:30 | wedge | a potential VC in my company just responded. |
| 23:32:33 | wedge | i think i just peed. |
| 23:35:21 | GoRK | mallum/andersee: yeah ditto with me.. no hassles. i am back on picogui for a while anyway |
| 23:35:30 | GoRK | err |
| 23:35:37 | GoRK | re the libm |
| 23:36:19 | GoRK | picogui is almost ready to go... keybaord driver is coming along. touchscreen and blanking are finally cleaned up |
| 23:36:29 | mallum | nice :) |
| 23:36:44 | wedge | nice, amigo. |
| 23:36:57 | wedge | i've extended this offer before |
| 23:37:05 | GoRK | actually keyboard driver will be done once i finish constructing my keymap and write handlers for multibyte scans (which i am doing now) |
| 23:37:08 | wedge | but if any of you guys are in the SF/SJ area, look me up for a few free beers. |
| 23:41:18 | mallum | thx, but Im a few thousand miles from there ;) |
| 23:41:26 | cory | heh |
| 23:41:32 | cory | I'm going to try to be in san diego this december |
| 23:41:36 | cory | but you don't owe me free beers! |
| 23:41:39 | cory | and I don't drink |
| 23:43:54 | andersee | mallum: if you really want to be sure, do a 'make clean && rm -rf busybox uClibc sources/busybox.*gz sources/uClibc*.gz && cvs up && make' |
| 23:45:17 | mallum | andersee: yes thats basically what I've now done |
| 23:45:18 | andersee | Or the even simpler 'cvs up && make distclean && make' |
| 23:46:08 | mallum | andersee: cool, thx |
| 23:48:44 | GoRK | is there a select() bug in the touchscreen driver? the microwindows driver uses polling due to broken select, but does that apply to the tuxscreen? |
| 23:50:52 | andersee | I _know_ uClibc select(2) works on arm |
| 23:51:20 | GoRK | well but in the kernel driver for the ts device... yes select works fine. i use it for my keyboard driver :) |
| 23:52:45 | andersee | Hmm. That would be a pretty messed driver then.... |
| 23:52:50 | andersee | I wouldn't know |
| 23:53:03 | andersee | My touchscreen doesn't work at all |
| 23:53:58 | andersee | I bet BZFlag gave me a broken one on purpose -- to try and make me fix it. ;) |
| 23:54:42 | mallum | andersee: mine dont work niether :( |
| 23:55:34 | Aelhaz | I've got one that works, and one that works backwards |
| 23:55:54 | mallum | I've yet to try my other tuxscreen |
| 23:56:17 | andersee | but they _all_ work under inferno, so we can't claim a manufacturing defact... |
| 23:56:24 | andersee | This is so wierd |
| 23:56:36 | Aelhaz | we can claim engineering irresponsibility . . . |
| 23:57:43 | andersee | I really wish I had a copy of the full inferno source code for these thing |
| 23:58:18 | mallum | is there any hope of ever seeing that ? |
| 23:59:12 | andersee | Maybe we could ask nicely? |
