| 00:00:09 | GoRK | ok well libm doesn't run away in infinite loops anymore |
| 00:00:19 | GoRK | but i did kludge it in some broken manner |
| 00:00:25 | GoRK | it almost gets the right answer :) |
| 00:00:31 | GoRK | if ($foo eq 2591024652) {print "ok 7\n";} else {print "not ok 7 :$foo:\n";} |
| 00:00:35 | GoRK | not ok 7 :2591024652.5: |
| 00:59:36 | wej | can someone kick my ghost? |
| 00:59:55 | Lenolium | wej: /msg nickserv help |
| 01:00:17 | wedge2 | gotcha. |
| 01:00:29 | wedge2 | so has anyone made any progress with the wvlan_cs driver? |
| 01:00:29 | wedge2 | shit. |
| 01:00:31 | wedge2 | i need to reboot. |
| 01:10:07 | wedge2 | evenin |
| 01:13:11 | as2 | Hi wedge. |
| 01:13:58 | Tangent | evening wedge |
| 01:14:57 | wedge2 | how goes it? |
| 01:15:01 | andersee | ok |
| 01:15:09 | andersee | you? |
| 01:15:16 | wedge2 | doin ok i think. |
| 01:15:16 | Tangent | wedge : Good.. just got my new ADSL line working :) |
| 01:15:20 | wedge2 | Tangent: nice. |
| 01:15:27 | wedge2 | where do you live? |
| 01:15:33 | wedge2 | what kinda speeds do you get? |
| 01:15:45 | Tangent | wedge : London... 500Kbit down, 250 up |
| 01:17:43 | as2 | Easynet, they just use the bt adsl service? |
| 01:18:08 | Tangent | as2 : I think eeryone in the UK does |
| 01:18:20 | as2 | They can if they can get it :/ |
| 01:18:28 | as2 | I cant get adsl or cable. |
| 01:18:55 | Tangent | as2 : Yeah.. I know loads of people with that problem... in supposedly ADSL areas |
| 01:19:44 | as2 | :/ |
| 02:04:24 | scanline | is back (gone 02:48:55) |
| 02:10:23 | wedge2 | buh. |
| 02:17:44 | wedge2 | ugh. |
| 02:17:52 | wedge2 | anyone with wavelan2_cs compiled... please .let me know. |
| 02:17:58 | wedge2 | or a working wvlan_cs for that matter. |
| 02:26:58 | AlHaz | I heard something about a fix for orinoco_cs on arm |
| 02:27:02 | AlHaz | but I don't have any details |
| 03:15:55 | wedge2 | hrmmmm. |
| 03:15:58 | wedge2 | that sounds interesting. |
| 03:15:59 | wedge2 | brb |
| 03:57:05 | wedge2 | so waht's this rumor about orinoco_cs working? :) |
| 05:42:55 | Meatsicle | hullo |
| 05:47:29 | GoRK | yo |
| 05:49:42 | GoRK | i am wondering if sourceforge will host this project that is not code |
| 05:50:30 | GoRK | i think i have seen stuff on sourceforge that isn't software |
| 05:52:08 | Meatsicle | yeah I think so too. |
| 05:52:24 | GoRK | i want to find some and check them out before i make a request |
| 05:52:43 | Lenolium | GoRK: What kind of stuff do you want on there? |
| 05:53:27 | GoRK | heh heh |
| 05:53:37 | GoRK | the Open Short Bus |
| 05:55:06 | GoRK | Meatsicle and I and two other dudes are converting a 1978 Chevy Short Bus into a crazy mobile lan van with all sorts of crazy technical systems: e.g. gps, radio, satellite |
| 05:55:42 | GoRK | so there is power system design, network design, communications systems, etc. that all will go into this |
| 05:56:29 | Meatsicle | did you see the article on slashdot on creating the ultimate lan party? |
| 05:56:43 | GoRK | i didnt read through it. it was pretty standard from what i saw |
| 05:57:00 | GoRK | it neglected to mention that you should join TLA |
| 06:00:18 | Meatsicle | what is tla? |
| 06:00:38 | GoRK | you know what TLA is |
| 06:00:49 | GoRK | T.L.A. |
| 06:01:24 | Meatsicle | turner land architecture? |
| 06:01:34 | andersee | Television latency authority? |
| 06:01:45 | GoRK | think lan think dallas think consortium |
| 06:01:56 | Meatsicle | you mean cpl? |
| 06:02:11 | GoRK | no the new organization |
| 06:02:34 | GoRK | heh we should get some acromania up in this channel |
| 06:02:43 | andersee | tuxscreen lamers association? |
| 06:02:56 | GoRK | i think my BitchX is compiled with tcl. i could run it |
| 06:03:48 | andersee | From Jargon File (4.3.0, 30 APR 2001) [jargon]: |
| 06:03:48 | andersee | TLA /T-L-A/ n. [Three-Letter Acronym] 1. Self-describing abbreviation |
| 06:03:48 | andersee | for a species with which computing terminology is infested. 2. Any |
| 06:03:49 | andersee | confusing acronym. Examples include MCA, FTP, SNA, CPU, MMU, SCCS, DMU, |
| 06:04:08 | GoRK | hehehehe |
| 06:04:36 | GoRK | what's happening with libm? |
| 06:05:16 | GoRK | i am streamlining perl since there don't seem to be any problems with it barring the shared libs... |
| 06:06:35 | andersee | Havn't hit libm yet... |
| 06:06:38 | Meatsicle | woah |
| 06:07:04 | GoRK | hmm i bet i could remove perl 5.005 binary compatibility.. that'd probably save some space |
| 06:09:46 | Meatsicle | what is the warranty on the generator? |
| 06:09:57 | GoRK | i dont know if i have the link anymore |
| 06:12:07 | Meatsicle | are you coming to the lan? |
| 06:12:13 | GoRK | yeah |
| 06:12:16 | GoRK | why wouldnt i |
| 06:13:12 | andersee | Cool! I just found the header file that is breaking things! |
| 06:13:29 | andersee | Now to revert everything but that... |
| 06:13:53 | andersee | Oh, wait. |
| 06:13:56 | andersee | Dang |
| 06:14:02 | andersee | mumbles |
| 06:14:36 | Meatsicle | just makin sure |
| 06:15:26 | Meatsicle | I guess david doesnt do irc |
| 06:16:01 | GoRK | he does |
| 06:16:08 | GoRK | he just does it on a seperate computer |
| 06:16:20 | GoRK | he's on here |
| 06:18:06 | Meatsicle | oh |
| 06:18:43 | GoRK | andersee: strtoll() and strtoull() are busted, i think |
| 06:19:35 | GoRK | i havent been using ll's but this script just did a test on them and it didnt work right |
| 06:24:37 | andersee | Sigh. |
| 06:25:12 | andersee | I wish I could figure this stupid problem out so I could look at the other ones... |
| 06:47:56 | GoRK | wtf my sourceforge account is busted |
| 06:48:12 | GoRK | Could not chdir to home directory /home/users/g/go/gork: No such file or directory |
| 06:48:13 | GoRK | cvs [server aborted]: can't chdir(/home/users/g/go/gork): No such file or directory |
| 06:56:57 | Meatsicle | daft |
| 07:00:01 | GoRK | ok its fixed. it was my fault.. whoops |
| 07:04:24 | GoRK | never mind |
| 07:04:36 | GoRK | it's still broken |
| 17:11:34 | boris | btw, does the phone work under linux? |
| 17:11:42 | GoRK | pulse dial only |
| 17:11:53 | GoRK | for now |
| 17:11:55 | boris | so it needs work? |
| 17:12:00 | GoRK | pick up the handset and see for yourself |
| 17:12:16 | GoRK | well we aren't talking to the DSP yet but it's not like it's impossible |
| 17:12:39 | boris | how long till it's likely to get completed? |
| 17:13:01 | GoRK | dunno |
| 17:13:28 | boris | so once this rootfs is flashed |
| 17:13:36 | GoRK | boot |
| 17:13:55 | boris | i can effectively power cle the tuxscreen and linux will boot and come up on the screen? |
| 17:14:05 | GoRK | no just type boot |
| 17:14:24 | boris | ok :) |
| 17:14:36 | boris | what whould happen if i was to powercycle it? |
| 17:14:58 | GoRK | it would go through the autoboot and boot |
| 17:15:04 | boris | k |
| 17:15:15 | boris | so i wont need the sewrial console to boot it and get it working? |
| 17:15:29 | boris | (sorry if these sound stupid questions) |
| 17:15:54 | GoRK | well no but it's not like it is very useful in its current state without the serial console... |
| 17:16:01 | GoRK | but no. it's nto required to boot |
| 17:16:44 | boris | uhm, why is it not useful without the serial console? |
| 17:17:03 | boris | can i not get a console on screen and use the infrared kb? |
| 17:17:17 | GoRK | well yeah |
| 17:23:02 | boris | w00h00 it works |
| 17:24:26 | boris | time to get netowrking going |
| 17:45:08 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Finally got that Dotpal stuff on Freshmeat... :) |
| 17:46:36 | andersee | heh |
| 17:46:48 | andersee | "Now Marge!" |
| 17:50:34 | CosmicPenguin | Its pretty cool - I have it so every time I get a mail from one the managers, he says "Ooh.. good idea boss"... |
| 17:54:00 | andersee | heh |
| 17:54:43 | andersee | I finally posted some updated tuxscreen software in the downloads section |
| 17:57:14 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: What did you stick up there? |
| 18:01:19 | prpplague | andersee: think anyone would like a copy of my beer-rating software? |
| 18:13:05 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: kernel, blob, and rootfs build using the current buildroot |
| 18:13:22 | andersee | Feel free to add in a current microwindows image... |
| 18:13:32 | andersee | Might be nice to have something current |
| 18:14:08 | boris | CosmicPenguin: got the tux using linux :) |
| 18:14:09 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: :) or indeed something that boots.... Should I put up the current one I have, or should i upgrade it to use the 115200 kernels |
| 18:14:31 | CosmicPenguin | boris: You're there. Congrats all around.... |
| 18:16:00 | boris-tuxscreen | and ths s me ircing from it :) |
| 18:16:00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Since the rest of the stuff I posted is at 115k, that would be best |
| 18:16:09 | boris-tuxscreen | bbl |
| 18:16:11 | boris-tuxscreen | :) |
| 18:26:21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Ok, I'll have to recompile and I'll put it up tommorrow, cool? |
| 18:26:34 | CosmicPenguin | Any new changes in the last week that I *have* to get to avoid bricking my system? |
| 18:27:59 | andersee | Just the latest from CVS and you are fine... |
| 18:36:12 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: if you are concerned re blob -- just use the binary I posted, since I've flashed that one and it works.... |
| 18:36:34 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: That would probably be best.... :) |
| 18:37:50 | andersee | After that one is in place, flashing stuff is easier... no more baud rate switching |
| 18:44:15 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: pull out your digital camera, take a picture of home hooked to Linux, and add it to your site... :-) |
| 18:45:44 | andersee | err s/home hooked/homer hooked/ |
| 18:46:17 | CosmicPenguin | Good idea.... :) |
| 18:50:13 | andersee | Also add the pic as the freshmeat screenshot... |
| 18:50:20 | andersee | That'll be cool |
| 18:50:21 | RedBaron | Sweet. My girlfriend is home today and she just told me my tuxscreen arrived. |
| 18:52:31 | andersee | RedBaron: very cool! |
| 18:53:43 | RedBaron | :) |
| 19:00:17 | RedBaron | Now...If I only had time to play with it I'd be a happy camper. heh. |
| 19:14:47 | CosmicPenguin | Do any of the Ipaq folks want to cast their preference for either mpeg123 or madplay on the Ipaq? |
| 19:15:38 | andersee | Definately madplay! |
| 19:15:56 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Readme sez you can't pause the songs.... |
| 19:16:11 | andersee | I've use a hacked up mpg123 on my Netwinder before. madplay is _much_ nicer |
| 19:16:31 | vosque | madplay is nicer. |
| 19:16:41 | vosque | Unless you do a lot of streaming. |
| 19:16:45 | vosque | But I hear they may have fixed that. |
| 19:16:48 | andersee | [andersen@sage mp3s]$ madplay Violent\ Femmes\ -\ Blister\ in\ the\ Sun.mp3 |
| 19:16:48 | andersee | MPEG Audio Decoder 0.13.0 (beta) - Copyright (C) 2000-2001 Robert Leslie |
| 19:16:48 | andersee | Title: Blister in the Sun Artist: Violent Femmes |
| 19:16:48 | andersee | Album: Genre: |
| 19:16:48 | andersee | Year: Comment: |
| 19:16:49 | andersee | [1]+ Stopped madplay Violent\ Femmes\ -\ Blister\ in\ the\ Sun.mp3 |
| 19:16:51 | andersee | [andersen@sage mp3s]$ |
| 19:16:53 | andersee | [andersen@sage mp3s]$ fg |
| 19:16:55 | andersee | madplay Violent\ Femmes\ -\ Blister\ in\ the\ Sun.mp3 |
| 19:16:57 | andersee | Works for me... |
| 19:17:18 | andersee | Just hit ^Z |
| 19:17:29 | CosmicPenguin | Ok.... Now do it with a frontend... |
| 19:17:51 | vosque | under X? |
| 19:18:17 | andersee | Easy enough... Just use job control... |
| 19:18:22 | signal11 | gtk perl? |
| 19:18:44 | vosque | I know there's a few for X. Don't know about any other environments. |
| 19:23:30 | CosmicPenguin | http://freshmeat.net/projects/mpg321/ - mpeg123 style frontend for mad... cool.... |
| 20:12:38 | AlHazWork | it's too bad my favorite mpg123 front end is useless on any display smaller than 800x600 |
| 20:16:44 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Whats that? |
| 20:17:44 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: gqmpeg |
| 20:17:59 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: it has a really feature-rich playlist editor, which is utterly unusable at 640x480 |
| 20:18:03 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: I was looking for that, but i was totally denied. Have a URL? |
| 20:18:03 | AlHazWork | doesn't even fit on the screen |
| 20:18:26 | AlHazWork | http://gqmpeg.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:18:53 | AlHazWork | it used to be on some other funky service, there are probably a lot of bad links out there in the wild |
| 20:19:13 | AlHazWork | I like that the skin engine defines the entire look/feel of the player UI |
| 20:19:19 | AlHazWork | instead of just the color, like xmms |
| 20:20:55 | AlHazWork | so someone could probably cook up a 640x480 skin that would look nice, but the playlist editor would be more or less unavailable |
| 20:21:27 | cory | "P.S. Here are some links which be useful:" - email from my boss |
| 20:25:37 | wedge | here i is! |
| 20:26:17 | cory | my boss is a university professor too |
| 20:26:24 | cory | although, I think english may not be his first language |
| 20:37:14 | wedge | anyone get the wvlan_cs driver working for anything? |
| 20:37:22 | wedge | just updated his kernel and ramdisk... came up with no /lib/modules at all... |
| 20:37:31 | wedge | put the wvlan_cs on there, and it still dumps hex stacks... |
| 20:37:47 | wedge | i'm wondering if modprobe has to be passed the argument for the ESSID or somethign. |
| 20:39:11 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: wvlan_cs has been working pretty well for us on the Ipaq... 0rinoco_cs on the other hand... :( |
| 20:39:20 | wedge | yeah. |
| 20:39:21 | wedge | had no luck with that. |
| 20:39:26 | wedge | so you got wvlan_cs working.. |
| 20:39:26 | wedge | hrm. |
| 20:39:32 | wedge | do you pass it any arguments when you modprobe it? |
| 20:39:35 | wedge | could that be my problem? |
| 20:39:51 | wedge | the error is like: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000 |
| 20:39:56 | CosmicPenguin | Nope... we usually set ESSID with wconfig |
| 20:40:05 | wedge | i can't seem to build iwconfig.... |
| 20:40:07 | wedge | sighs. |
| 20:40:12 | CosmicPenguin | s/wconfig/iwconfig/ |
| 20:40:12 | wedge | can i have a copy of your binary? |
| 20:40:16 | wedge | nods. |
| 20:40:21 | CosmicPenguin | Lemme see if I can track one down.... |
| 20:59:53 | wedge | heh. |
| 20:59:58 | wedge | just killed my tuxscreen remotely |
| 21:00:03 | CosmicPenguin | kewl.... |
| 21:00:03 | wedge | gotta have my ol' lady power cycle it. hehehehe... |
| 21:00:14 | wedge | i'm gonna plug it into one fo thsoe outlets that gets turned on/off by the light switch so i can tell my wife to be a gopher |
| 21:00:57 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: Where do you want me to stick this binary? |
| 21:01:07 | wedge | Bend over n'I'll show ya! |
| 21:01:08 | wedge | Hehehe. |
| 21:01:10 | wedge | naw. |
| 21:01:13 | CosmicPenguin | Wow.... :) |
| 21:01:14 | wedge | can you email it to me? |
| 21:01:17 | wedge | hehehe. |
| 21:01:17 | wedge | jez jokin mang :) |
| 21:01:25 | CosmicPenguin | Sure.... |
| 21:01:29 | wedge | wej@pimping.com |
| 21:02:41 | CosmicPenguin | delivered... |
| 21:02:41 | wedge | you da MAN. |
| 21:03:59 | wedge | thanks much. |
| 21:04:06 | wedge | now just gotta get my ol' lady to power cycle the phone |
| 21:04:21 | wedge | now it dies completely like it did with the orinoco driver. |
| 21:05:41 | Russ | wedge: serial sysrq? |
| 21:05:54 | wedge | eh? |
| 21:06:01 | Russ | line break, b |
| 21:06:05 | Russ | (reboot) |
| 21:06:13 | Russ | er, serial break, b |
| 21:06:19 | wedge | using minicom? |
| 21:06:24 | wedge | i send a break, hit b, and nothing. |
| 21:06:45 | wedge | i think it's down down. |
| 21:06:50 | wedge | Code: e1a03803 e1a03823 (e5d31000) e3a02c7d e5d30001 |
| 21:06:50 | wedge | Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! |
| 21:06:50 | wedge | In interrupt handler - not syncing |
| 21:07:36 | wedge | so CosmicPenguin: did you need iwconfig to make it work? |
| 21:07:44 | Russ | oh, then you might not get serial sysrq |
| 21:07:46 | AlHazWork | orinoco_cs sure doesn't work |
| 21:07:53 | wedge | word. |
| 21:08:01 | wedge | not the built in kernel support, nor the module... |
| 21:08:27 | wedge | i got a free Kingston CardBud KNE-CB4TX |
| 21:08:30 | wedge | i'm guessing it works. |
| 21:08:36 | wedge | every frickin thing under the sun supports it... |
| 21:08:39 | wedge | 3.3v |
| 21:08:46 | wedge | but i want to get my wireless stuff goin. |
| 21:11:50 | AlHazWork | cardbus won't even fit in the tuxscreen slots |
| 21:11:56 | wedge | what? |
| 21:12:02 | wedge | no way. |
| 21:12:07 | Tangent | Nope. cardbus just doesn't stand a chane of working |
| 21:12:11 | wedge | what? |
| 21:12:14 | wedge | yer outta yer minds :) |
| 21:12:15 | AlHazWork | cardbus is the PCI equivalent of pcmcia |
| 21:12:29 | wedge | this card is super thin. |
| 21:12:31 | Tangent | Not enough data lines in the interface... |
| 21:12:38 | AlHazWork | The cards have a thicker tab on the end than pcmcia cards, to make it impossible to plug them into pcmcia slots |
| 21:12:47 | AlHazWork | because bad things would happen if you plugged them into non-cardbus slots |
| 21:12:49 | Tangent | PCMCIA = ISA... Cardbus = PCI |
| 21:12:56 | wedge | i got this out of a pcmcia slot tho. |
| 21:13:10 | AlHazWork | cardbus slots accept both pcmcia and cardbus cards |
| 21:13:16 | AlHazWork | but pcmcia slots only accept pcmcia |
| 21:13:19 | AlHazWork | by design |
| 21:13:22 | wedge | hrm. |
| 21:13:22 | Tangent | wedge : Sadly, there's more than one flavour of PCMCIA |
| 21:13:29 | wedge | right.. |
| 21:13:32 | wedge | but .. but.... |
| 21:13:34 | wedge | aw shux. |
| 21:14:01 | Tangent | wedge : I too have a Cardbus Network Card... but fortunately my wireless card is PCMCIA |
| 21:14:18 | AlHazWork | I haven't ever seen a cardbus wireless card |
| 21:14:34 | Tangent | Hmm.. actually, neither have I |
| 21:20:31 | wedge | with the current cvs tree... why doesn't /lib/modules get built on the ramdisk? |
| 21:21:57 | AlHazWork | wlanng_cs should prolly compile if you give it enough encouragement |
| 21:22:20 | AlHazWork | wedge: because we've got something like 900k in which to fit the kernel, so we've been compiling the kernel monolithic |
| 21:22:56 | wedge | is the source in cvs? |
| 21:23:12 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 21:23:17 | andersee | what source? |
| 21:23:37 | wedge | for wlanng_cs |
| 21:24:11 | wedge | nope. |
| 21:26:45 | AlHazWork | oh, that's at linux-wlan.org |
| 21:27:07 | AlHazWork | i think the configure script only has options for x86 and ppc, which is why i said "with enough encouragement" |
| 21:27:22 | AlHazWork | the changelog lists ARM fixes |
| 21:27:33 | wedge | heh. |
| 21:27:37 | wedge | nice. |
| 21:29:19 | AlHazWork | intersil actually paid this guy to write it as a gpl driver, so it works really well with prism2 nics |
| 21:29:25 | AlHazWork | unfortunately it's missing a couple features |
| 21:29:39 | AlHazWork | it won't scan for SSIDs, you have to tell it which wireless lan it's on |
| 21:29:50 | cory | suckage |
| 21:29:54 | AlHazWork | and it doesn't support wireless extensions, tho the whole structure is there |
| 21:29:57 | AlHazWork | hey, it's being worked on |
| 21:30:01 | cory | :) |
| 21:30:09 | cory | ok |
| 21:30:23 | cory | I don't have a prism card |
| 21:30:32 | AlHazWork | what card do you have? |
| 21:30:37 | wedge | alhazwork: er.... |
| 21:30:38 | cory | airport |
| 21:30:38 | | cory: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. |
| 21:30:41 | andersee | Whats the proper driver to use for prism2 cards then? |
| 21:30:44 | wedge | airport isn't a card. |
| 21:30:44 | | wedge: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. |
| 21:30:48 | cory | airport MCI |
| 21:30:48 | | cory: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. |
| 21:30:49 | AlHazWork | cory: Yeah, that'd be a lucent card |
| 21:31:01 | wedge | kicks the ibot. |
| 21:31:03 | cory | alhazwork: that's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to say that if I was wrong :_) |
| 21:31:03 | | Sorry, AlHazWork, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 21:31:03 | AlHazWork | ibot: shut up |
| 21:31:10 | wedge | nice. |
| 21:31:26 | cory | airport name for MCI |
| 21:31:36 | cory | heh |
| 21:31:40 | AlHazWork | nearly everyone but lucent & cisco is using prism2 these days |
| 21:31:49 | cory | yeah, linksys, dlink, ... |
| 21:31:59 | andersee | AlHazWork: Whats the proper driver to use for prism2 cards then? |
| 21:32:12 | AlHazWork | andersee: wvlan_cs seems to work OK |
| 21:32:22 | AlHazWork | andersee: i use wlanng_cs just 'cause i feel like it |
| 21:32:46 | AlHazWork | the notes for orinoco_cs make it sound like a poor choice for prism2 cards |
| 21:33:10 | andersee | How does one fine the tx power and such with these cards? |
| 21:33:22 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: ironically we use orinoco_cs for prism, because thats the only thing that works.... |
| 21:33:28 | Tangent | nod... I never got that one working with my prism2 card on the iPAQ.. I used the wlan-ng stuff instead |
| 21:33:29 | cory | andersee: is that even possible? |
| 21:33:31 | AlHazWork | er, how do you mean? in a software sense or in a documentation sense? |
| 21:33:44 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Yet, it doesn't work for the orinoco cards.... |
| 21:35:07 | AlHazWork | you read signal quality with the wireless extensions tools if you're using wvlan, orinoco, etc, or you use this MIB applet if you're using wlanng |
| 21:35:19 | AlHazWork | most wireless nics claim to be 100mw |
| 21:36:53 | Tangent | I think the Prism2 based ones are around 35mW |
| 21:36:59 | andersee | I was just curious.... |
| 21:37:01 | andersee | [andersen@sage andersen]$ lsmod | grep wvlan_cs |
| 21:37:01 | andersee | wvlan_cs 23872 1 |
| 21:37:01 | andersee | ds 6576 2 [wvlan_cs] |
| 21:37:01 | andersee | pcmcia_core 41568 0 [wvlan_cs ds i82365] |
| 21:37:01 | andersee | [andersen@sage andersen]$ iwconfig |
| 21:37:02 | andersee | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 21:37:04 | andersee | eth1 no wireless extensions. |
| 21:37:51 | andersee | Seems then that iwconfig sould be telling me stuff.... |
| 21:38:04 | CosmicPenguin | Where did eth0 go? |
| 21:38:09 | AlHazWork | hmm |
| 21:38:22 | AlHazWork | I thought wvlan did support 'em |
| 21:38:24 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 21:39:09 | Tangent | Hi mallum |
| 21:39:11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I have it turned off (internal miniPCI nic)... Just using the wireless atm |
| 21:39:35 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhhh..... |
| 21:39:51 | andersee | This laptop has _everything_. |
| 21:40:08 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: This is on your laptop? Thats disturbing..... |
| 21:40:12 | andersee | just plugged in the spare harddrive instead of the secondary battery |
| 21:40:16 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: What chipset are you using? |
| 21:40:24 | CosmicPenguin | <-- a little slow on the uptake.... |
| 21:40:47 | andersee | I bought an SMC card, on your recommendation (and due to the $20 rebate) |
| 21:40:55 | wedge | man. |
| 21:40:58 | wedge | working on wlanng_cs |
| 21:41:00 | wedge | not gonna be easy. |
| 21:41:08 | wedge | it biulds binaries with the cross compiler, then tries to exec 'em. |
| 21:41:11 | wedge | wtf? |
| 21:41:12 | mallum | Hi Tangent |
| 21:41:16 | mallum | 2 Quick questions > |
| 21:41:23 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Ok, I know we can make the SOB work, because I'm doing it here not 6 inches from my left arm.... |
| 21:41:32 | wedge | pun intended? |
| 21:41:45 | mallum | I noticed on the ipaq mailing list the touchscreen driver has been rewriiten recently ( its the same as the tuxscreen one right ? -has anyone tried it with the 'broken' touchscreens ? ) |
| 21:41:56 | andersee | Well -- its working (you can see me typing, right?) just now wireless extensions stuff |
| 21:41:59 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Sadly, its not the same.... |
| 21:42:09 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: kernel version? |
| 21:42:35 | andersee | 2.4.10-ac3 |
| 21:42:57 | andersee | pcmcia-cs 3.1.28 |
| 21:43:01 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 21:43:04 | andersee | Should upgrade that |
| 21:43:40 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I'm using 2.4.9ac-17 and orinoco_cs |
| 21:44:05 | CosmicPenguin | iwconfig eth0 shows all of the correct extensions |
| 21:44:10 | andersee | I'll try the orinoco_cs driver then |
| 21:44:28 | wedge | are you using the orinoco_cs module? |
| 21:44:35 | wedge | or did you compile it into the kernel? |
| 21:45:16 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: This is on x86 laptop... |
| 21:45:21 | wedge | doh. |
| 21:45:44 | wedge | cosmicpenguin: on the ARM, you have wvlan_cs working? that's what youw ere telling me before, right? |
| 21:45:53 | wedge | not orinoco_cs, but wvlan_cs, and you use iwconfig to bring it up and configure it, right? |
| 21:46:00 | wedge | sorry. i rode the shortbus. |
| 21:46:06 | wedge | http://www.shortbus.net/~wej |
| 21:46:07 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: oh ok .... |
| 21:46:20 | scanline | is away: food |
| 21:46:31 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: Indeed..... |
| 21:46:38 | wedge | hrm. |
| 21:46:42 | mallum | Im using 2.4.10-ac4 with orinoco_cs and no problems... |
| 21:46:53 | CosmicPenguin | But let me check kernel versions really quickly...... |
| 21:46:59 | wedge | any chance in hell the orinoco_cs 0.06 support compiled into the kernel will work with iwconfig? |
| 21:47:00 | wedge | nods. |
| 21:47:28 | andersee | brb -- going to try orinoco_cs instead of wclan_cs... |
| 21:47:37 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 21:48:33 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: wvlan is working in 2.4.7-rmk2-nk1 on the ipaq right now for just lucent orinoco chipset... |
| 21:48:43 | CosmicPenguin | no luck currently for any prism chipsets however... |
| 21:49:20 | mallum | Also I noticed a new option in the kernel something to do with mounting mtd devices as block devices - does that mean it somehow now possible to mount jffs2 on a loopback ? |
| 21:51:12 | mallum | andersee: did you drop the hermes.conf file into /etc/pcmcia ? |
| 21:51:43 | mallum | andersee: did you drop the hermes.conf file into /etc/pcmcia ? |
| 21:56:04 | BZFlag | mallum: there is a mtd over block driver now, yes. |
| 21:56:48 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: does the tuxscreen buildroot do a uclibc friendly version of pppd yet? |
| 21:56:55 | mallum | BZFlag: cool, do you know how its used ? |
| 21:57:46 | wedge | dammit. |
| 21:57:47 | wedge | i got so close. |
| 21:57:50 | wedge | yet |
| 21:57:50 | wedge | so |
| 21:57:51 | wedge | painfully |
| 21:57:52 | wedge | far |
| 22:04:50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was wondering that too, i've been using the tuxscreen rootfs on another sa based system and needed pppd |
| 22:05:35 | BZFlag | mallum: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2001-June/002709.html |
| 22:06:35 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: SpaceCoaster sent in a pppd patch, but it has not been integrated yet iirc |
| 22:06:36 | mallum | BZFlag: cool, thx |
| 22:08:17 | wedge | whoah |
| 22:08:20 | wedge | ok.. this is gonna sound stupid. |
| 22:08:38 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Ok.... |
| 22:08:58 | prpplague | BZFlag: is SpaceCoaster's patch available somewhere? |
| 22:09:40 | andersee | Hmm. Didn't work.... |
| 22:09:47 | andersee | Back to wvlan_cs for now |
| 22:10:01 | mallum | andersee: are you trying orinoco_cs with a wavelan card ? |
| 22:10:33 | andersee | This is a prism2 based card from SMC |
| 22:11:40 | mallum | andersee: ah ok. |
| 22:12:57 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Did you ever get a md5sum for your V0.4 blob? |
| 22:13:11 | mallum | andersee: Did you have any luck with the libm arm problems ? |
| 22:14:29 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: What can I do to make this country a better place? :) |
| 22:15:05 | mallum | andersee: what is the meaning of life, the universe and everything ? |
| 22:15:30 | CosmicPenguin | Poor guy.... |
| 22:15:44 | andersee | mallum: 42 |
| 22:15:56 | andersee | mallum: And thats the md5sum as well (padd as needed) |
| 22:16:14 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: no, I didn't make md5sums.... |
| 22:17:21 | mallum | andersee: 101010 |
| 22:17:41 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Ok... I just a tad paranoid... |
| 22:17:55 | CosmicPenguin | s/I/s\'m/ |
| 22:18:30 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: k, md5sums are up now |
| 22:19:13 | andersee | mallum: havn't had a chance to look into the libm problems. Gork has spent a some minutes on it.. |
| 22:19:29 | mallum | andersee: ok np. just wanted to check |
| 22:20:24 | mallum | ok bedtime for me |
| 22:20:39 | andersee | night mallum |
| 22:20:47 | mallum | night all ;) |
| 22:20:53 | CosmicPenguin | good night |
| 22:26:18 | prpplague | night all |
| 22:45:47 | Santiago` | hola |
| 22:46:17 | Santiago` | ¿Para qué sierve este canal de chat? |
| 22:46:18 | WeirdHat | hrm |
| 22:46:24 | andersee | Cool. Got it working with the orinocco driver now |
| 22:46:33 | andersee | (my laptop, not the phone) |
| 22:46:37 | ScottishPig | oh |
| 22:46:52 | Santiago` | ORINOCO! |
| 22:47:09 | wedge | Sunoco! |
| 22:47:21 | wedge | andersee: |
| 22:47:23 | wedge | got what workin? |
| 22:47:42 | wedge | CosmicPenguin: that binary doesn't work for some reason |
| 22:48:02 | scanline | is back (gone 01:01:42) |
| 22:48:08 | Santiago` | ¿Hay alugien en este canal de lo que puede hablar en Español? |
| 22:48:19 | wedge | eu falo portuguese... |
| 22:48:28 | wedge | muito palavras a mesma... |
| 22:48:37 | Santiago` | Eu falo muito o partugês. |
| 22:48:42 | wedge | verdade? |
| 22:48:46 | Santiago` | ¿ay! |
| 22:48:50 | wedge | legao :) |
| 22:49:00 | Santiago` | portugêse |
| 22:49:08 | wedge | brasilero? |
| 22:49:27 | Santiago` | Eu? não. |
| 22:50:15 | wedge | onde voce aprendeo falar na portuguese? |
| 22:50:36 | wedge | desculpo... meu portugese e nao muito bom... |
| 22:50:36 | CosmicPenguin | <--- knows italian fluently, but can't tell a word they are saying |
| 22:50:43 | wedge | heh. |
| 22:50:49 | wedge | portuguese is easier to speak than understand. |
| 22:50:51 | ScottishPig | I speak a bit of gaelic, but I'm lost |
| 22:50:58 | wedge | i'm sure my portugese is pretty broken |
| 22:51:08 | ScottishPig | poor santiago |
| 22:51:12 | wedge | having to listen and understand is hard tho.. a zillion different ways to say shit |
| 22:51:13 | Santiago` | Eu Estou aprendando o portugês em O internet |
| 22:51:20 | wedge | serio? |
| 22:51:24 | Santiago` | sim |
| 22:51:25 | wedge | legao |
| 22:51:38 | wedge | a escola usando o internet? |
| 22:52:08 | wedge | nunca foi para brasil? |
| 22:52:23 | ScottishPig | Are you in school using the internet? (I think thats the translation) |
| 22:52:36 | wedge | a school using the internet? |
| 22:53:31 | Santiago` | não, es em mi casa. |
| 22:53:58 | wedge | voce tenho a molher quem fala portugese? |
| 22:54:11 | wedge | foi para brasil? |
| 22:54:17 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, on that note, I am outta here for the evening... |
| 22:54:23 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: good luck with the wireless |
| 22:54:23 | wedge | heh. |
| 22:54:26 | wedge | thanks man. |
| 22:54:29 | wedge | tryin my damndest. |
| 22:54:34 | WeirdHat | heh |
| 22:54:39 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'll have a MW image tommorrow |
| 22:55:19 | Santiago` | (estoy cobinando o portugêse e O espahnol por que Eu não falo bom o portugese. |
| 22:55:35 | wedge | heheheheh. |
| 22:55:49 | Santiago` | ¿Es cómico? |
| 22:55:53 | wedge | sem problemo, amigo. eu penso voce sabe eu nao falo boa portugese.... |
| 22:56:00 | wedge | sim :) |
| 22:56:20 | wedge | foi para brasil? means 'you went to brasil?' |
| 22:56:37 | wedge | foi e passado... |
| 22:57:20 | Santiago` | Eu nunca fui a brasil |
| 22:57:28 | wedge | my spelling sucks :) |
| 22:57:36 | wedge | hehehe. |
| 22:57:38 | wedge | you're right. it's fui |
| 22:57:53 | Santiago` | fui = went |
| 22:57:56 | wedge | yeah. |
| 22:58:07 | wedge | i never write it... always just speak it. |
| 22:58:10 | wedge | so my sp elling sucks. |
| 22:58:19 | wedge | i just learn from talking portugese all night. |
| 22:58:27 | wedge | my wife is from sao palo... and all our friends are from brasil. |
| 22:58:54 | Santiago` | ¿?... no te entiendo... :( |
| 22:59:39 | wedge | pare.. |
| 22:59:46 | wedge | voce sou falo em portugese? |
| 23:00:34 | wedge | por queu voce esto aprendendo portugese? |
| 23:00:38 | Santiago` | ay... adios |
| 23:00:43 | wedge | aaah. |
| 23:01:15 | wedge | that was funny. |
| 23:02:00 | wedge | that poor guy.. only spoke spanish and is learning portuguese... |
| 23:03:17 | Tangent | Foreign languages are all a mystery to me |
| 23:07:51 | wedge | not very different from porgramming languages methinks. |
| 23:15:55 | BZFlag | l8tr |
| 23:26:22 | wedge | ugh. |
| 23:26:28 | wedge | nothing i'm building with the cross compiler seems to work. |
| 23:28:11 | Tangent | wedge : Last time I turned on my TuxScreen, there was _no_ PCMCIA support... I gotta catch up on the last three months developments |
| 23:28:18 | wedge | heh. |
| 23:28:37 | wedge | well.. it always dies when cardmgr loads the module for the card, and it calls ifconfig, which is just a wrapper to andersee's busybox binary... |
| 23:28:50 | wedge | i just built ifconfig with the cross compiler.. popped it onto my box, and it doesn't recognize it as an executable. |
| 23:28:52 | wedge | even tho on the linux box: |
| 23:28:58 | wedge | [bdhsv - root]/usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/net-tools-1.57 138 i file ifconfig |
| 23:28:58 | wedge | ifconfig: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Advanced RISC Machines ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 23:31:51 | Tangent | Looks right |
| 23:32:03 | wedge | yeah. |
| 23:32:07 | Tangent | Try grabbing the binary from debian's arm distro |
| 23:32:09 | wedge | the 'arp' binary i made wouldn't work either. |
| 23:32:15 | wedge | where can i find that, tangent? |
| 23:32:23 | wedge | i tried to get iwconfig from cosmicmoose eariler... |
| 23:32:29 | wedge | and it didn't recognize that either. |
| 23:32:30 | scanline | My tuxscreen came in! |
| 23:32:35 | wedge | nice, amigo. |
| 23:32:38 | wedge | now yer on yer way :) |
| 23:32:39 | Tangent | scanline : Woohoo :) |
| 23:32:58 | scanline | I'm trying to get infernoremote working |
| 23:33:29 | scanline | It's trying to load dis/sh.dis, which doesnt' exist |
| 23:34:00 | wedge | you did a find for it, scanline? |
| 23:34:21 | scanline | yeah, still nothing... |
| 23:35:08 | scanline | I downloaded Linux.tgz and Inferno.tgz, decompressed them... |
| 23:35:26 | scanline | I grabbed the 'linuxemu' binary and ran "./linuxemu -r/home/micah/download" |
| 23:35:58 | wedge | and lemme guess... seg fault? |
| 23:36:09 | scanline | no |
| 23:36:12 | wedge | damn. |
| 23:36:14 | scanline | "emuinit: unable to load /dis/sh.dis: file does not exist |
| 23:36:14 | scanline | " |
| 23:36:26 | scanline | do you need this infernoremote thing to install linux? |
| 23:36:44 | wedge | pretty much. |
| 23:36:49 | scanline | ah |
| 23:36:54 | wedge | you'll get through it mang. |
| 23:37:03 | wedge | it's a frickin hack... kinda a mess.. but you'll on ly have to deal with it once. |
| 23:37:07 | wedge | so grin and bear it :) |
| 23:37:14 | scanline | okay |
| 23:38:32 | Tangent | wedge : http://http.us.debian.org/pool/main/n/net-tools/net-tools_1.60-1_arm.deb |
| 23:38:41 | wedge | yeah. |
| 23:38:44 | wedge | i found it.. thanks tho. |
| 23:38:47 | wedge | what do i do with a .deb? :) |
| 23:38:48 | wedge | heheeheh. |
| 23:38:56 | Tangent | ar -x xxx.deb |
| 23:39:08 | wedge | sweet. |
| 23:39:09 | wedge | thanks man. |
| 23:39:13 | Tangent | NP |
| 23:39:24 | wedge | you sure that url is legit? |
| 23:39:39 | wedge | i'm getting a not found.... |
| 23:41:03 | Tangent | Should be... I cut and pasted it from my browser... |
| 23:41:22 | Tangent | Yeah.. it works when I click it here |
| 23:42:45 | RedBaron | Hey guys. Stupid question here. I just got my tuxscreen...and I cant seem to get it to turn on. Is there a trick this? |
| 23:43:08 | wedge | RedBaron: don't plug it in that outlet. you know. the one by that ugly flower pot. that outlet is controlled by the lightswitch. |
| 23:43:11 | wedge | put it in the other one. |
| 23:43:16 | wedge | yeah. right there. |
| 23:43:19 | wedge | why are you looking at me funny? |
| 23:49:51 | scanline | ack! |
| 23:50:02 | scanline | the inferno 'emu' program segfaults! |
| 23:50:05 | scanline | wedge, help me! |
| 23:50:07 | wedge | hehehehe |
| 23:50:12 | boris | fun and games |
| 23:50:14 | wedge | did you replace it with the downloaded one? |
| 23:50:17 | scanline | yep |
| 23:50:24 | boris | scanline: did you get the linuxemu.gz from tuxscreen.net? |
| 23:50:30 | wedge | make sure you got the full binary. |
| 23:50:31 | scanline | boris: yes |
| 23:50:35 | wedge | mine was truncated |
| 23:50:38 | scanline | tries it again... |
| 23:50:40 | wedge | that's why it segfaulted. |
| 23:50:45 | wedge | what kernel? |
| 23:50:50 | boris | my tuxscreen rocks |
| 23:50:57 | wedge | they all do :) |
| 23:50:57 | wedge | heheehheh |
| 23:51:04 | scanline | Linux 2.4.10 |
| 23:51:07 | wedge | i'm still gonna write a song on my accoustic about my tuxscreen. |
| 23:51:09 | wedge | scanline: should be fine. |
| 23:51:17 | wedge | what size is your binary? |
| 23:51:45 | scanline | 2697180 bytes |
| 23:52:04 | scanline | ooh |
| 23:52:05 | scanline | works now |
| 23:52:09 | wedge | what'd you do? |
| 23:52:12 | scanline | must have been a bad download the first time |
| 23:52:15 | wedge | dude |
| 23:52:16 | scanline | I just redownloaded it |
| 23:52:18 | wedge | that happened to me, too |
| 23:52:20 | scanline | :) |
| 23:52:21 | wedge | other people as well. |
| 23:52:26 | wedge | i think something is wrong with that webserver :) |
| 23:52:33 | scanline | paniced for nothing... |
| 23:53:52 | boris | w000h00 |
| 23:54:00 | boris | got nfs mounts working |
| 23:54:12 | wedge | yeah... got that up as well. |
| 23:54:24 | wedge | just need this damned 802.11 driver to work. |
| 23:54:40 | wedge | man. |
| 23:54:44 | wedge | i can *not* get this debian download |
| 23:54:49 | wedge | i don't see how that URL is working for you, amigo. |
| 23:55:31 | boris | wedge: how did you get nefs moutning working from boot up? |
| 23:56:03 | boris | wdge: mine seems to work shit when booting but a mount from command line seems to work |
| 23:56:29 | wedge | i dunno. my friend bryan did it. |
| 23:56:41 | wedge | he's taken his a step further. i think he may be mounting root from nfs as well. |
| 23:56:48 | boris | yeah |
| 23:56:55 | boris | i want to do root nfs mount |
| 23:57:01 | wedge | that'd be swank. |
| 23:57:33 | boris | means i could install debian for it :) |
| 23:57:38 | Tangent | wedge : Try this one then... http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/net-tools/net-tools_1.60-1_arm.deb |
| 23:57:39 | wedge | heh. |
| 23:58:03 | wedge | man. i dunno where yer lookin.. but there ain't no /debian/pool on the machine i'm looking at :) |
| 23:58:07 | wedge | maybe we resolved different hosts... |
| 23:58:35 | Tangent | Yeah.. I think so... because before it was debian.org/pool... now it's become debian.org/debian/pool |
| 23:58:49 | Tangent | but both times, I just pasted the link from my browser into my IRC client |
| 23:59:00 | wedge | nods.. |
| 23:59:15 | wedge | i couldn't find any debian net-tools |
| 23:59:18 | Tangent | can you get to http://http.us.debian.org ? |
| 23:59:29 | wedge | yeah. |
| 23:59:37 | wedge | just got a directory structure that didn't mwatch what you saw. |
| 23:59:40 | wedge | msut've been different hosts. |
| 23:59:44 | wedge | now it looks like the machine may be down. heheh. |
| 23:59:46 | Tangent | Nod |
| 23:59:55 | Tangent | Heh.. I can still get there... |