| 00:24:47 | Error403 | In order to gain C++ support would I have to compile glibc or would it be easier to use a PDA dist? |
| 00:26:05 | Error403 | sammy |
| 00:26:18 | Error403 | are you the one that was working on getting QPE to work? |
| 00:28:43 | Russ | you'd have to do glibc, or finish intergating c++ into uclibc |
| 00:29:20 | Error403 | hah! |
| 00:29:25 | Error403 | chuckles :) |
| 00:29:29 | Error403 | hmm |
| 00:30:22 | Error403 | hmmm |
| 00:30:25 | Error403 | hmmmmm |
| 00:31:10 | Error403 | Would you suggest FamiliarLinux or whatever it is? |
| 00:31:58 | Russ | think people are running that |
| 00:32:10 | Error403 | k |
| 00:32:16 | sammy | morning all... |
| 00:32:23 | Error403 | morning |
| 01:17:31 | Error403 | AeroSpace: hello Mr. Remotepoint user |
| 01:17:36 | Error403 | minnesota? |
| 01:18:31 | SpaceCoaster | Error403: how did the unlocking go? |
| 01:18:35 | Error403 | good! |
| 01:18:47 | Error403 | I'm looking at it with Linux blinking at me :) |
| 01:18:55 | Error403 | I'm going to order a 256meg CF on Friday |
| 01:19:13 | SpaceCoaster | excellent, it was too worrying for me, I went to bed! |
| 01:19:20 | Error403 | haha |
| 01:19:23 | SpaceCoaster | 256meg, cool |
| 01:19:31 | Error403 | only $100 |
| 01:19:36 | Error403 | well |
| 01:19:37 | Error403 | $140 |
| 01:19:55 | Aelhaz | for $140 you can get a 340 meg microdrive on ebay |
| 01:20:15 | Error403 | So? A microdrive hangs out, doesn't it? |
| 01:20:19 | Aelhaz | nope |
| 01:20:23 | Error403 | hmmm |
| 01:20:28 | Aelhaz | it's also faster |
| 01:20:36 | Error403 | 1 or 2 PCMCIA slots? |
| 01:20:39 | SpaceCoaster | are cf cards slow then? |
| 01:20:45 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1278937104 |
| 01:20:51 | Aelhaz | they don't write very fast |
| 01:20:56 | Aelhaz | you should not use flash as swap |
| 01:20:58 | Error403 | I don't want it off of eBay unless it is new |
| 01:21:05 | Aelhaz | but you can use a microdrive as swap because it's magnetic media |
| 01:21:20 | SpaceCoaster | aah, is that because of the limited number of writes |
| 01:22:26 | Error403 | umm |
| 01:22:30 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: do the microdrives take two slots? |
| 01:22:45 | Error403 | has to take 2 |
| 01:22:48 | Error403 | no way 1 |
| 01:23:41 | Error403 | ok |
| 01:23:52 | Error403 | I'll sit this Auction |
| 01:23:53 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: Nope |
| 01:23:57 | Error403 | but I bet I'll get snipped |
| 01:24:05 | Error403 | 1 SLOT! |
| 01:24:07 | Error403 | jesus! |
| 01:24:11 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: It's thicker than a regular cf card, it's exactly as thick as a pcmcia card |
| 01:24:22 | Aelhaz | Error403: And to think they come in 1gb too |
| 01:25:02 | Error403 | splurges in his pants |
| 01:25:04 | Error403 | opps |
| 01:25:07 | Error403 | *grin* |
| 01:25:18 | Aelhaz | the 1gb costs $300+ |
| 01:25:26 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: ebay makes me nervous, know a good shop? |
| 01:25:37 | Aelhaz | Error403: If you really want to get excited, Toshiba makes a pcmcia type II 5gb drive |
| 01:25:38 | Aelhaz | but it's 5v |
| 01:25:47 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: hmm, lemme look |
| 01:26:32 | Aelhaz | SpaceCoaster: brand new the 340 meg is about $180 |
| 01:27:15 | Error403 | hmm |
| 01:27:25 | Error403 | that microdrive REAKS of sniping |
| 01:29:44 | SpaceCoaster | $160 w/o adapter http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cititronicsstore/ibm34mic3.html |
| 01:31:38 | Error403 | yup |
| 01:31:56 | Error403 | I'll buy it new on Friday |
| 01:32:06 | SpaceCoaster | yeah bout $180 with adapter |
| 01:33:27 | Aelhaz | you'll need the adapter |
| 01:33:35 | Aelhaz | the microdrive doesn't fit in most pcmcia adapters |
| 01:34:22 | AeroSpace | Er, .. hi Error403, I'm just logging the channel for information when I go to play with my tuxscreens. I'm not necessarily reading it now. |
| 01:49:16 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: the larger cf have 1.5mb write speed is that real? |
| 01:51:11 | SpaceCoaster | Aelhaz: they seem to use interleaving |
| 01:53:13 | andersee | cool. Finally bludgeoned pcmcia into working... |
| 01:53:20 | andersee | I'm wireless.. :) |
| 01:53:39 | SpaceCoaster | great, which card |
| 01:53:56 | zachh | what did you bludgeon it with? |
| 01:54:15 | andersee | product info: "SMC", "SMC2632W", "Version 01.02", "" |
| 01:54:27 | andersee | This is on a Dell laptop though -- not the phone... |
| 01:54:52 | andersee | zachh: it kept hanging... I finally found the magic set of ports to exclude... |
| 01:56:45 | andersee | Anybody seen BZFlag today? |
| 02:00:08 | Error403 | yup |
| 02:01:07 | andersee | Do you know if he will be back later? |
| 02:21:44 | Aelhaz | I last saw him at around 6 at lineo |
| 02:27:46 | cory | heh |
| 02:27:50 | cory | new hot prospect! |
| 02:38:38 | casey | andersee: got a query for ya. |
| 02:38:55 | andersee | shoot |
| 02:38:58 | casey | it's BZFlag at casey's desk |
| 02:39:06 | casey | LG gross thing... |
| 02:39:35 | andersee | is confused |
| 02:39:48 | casey | ipsec pluto is vforking a shell script with a bunch of parameters and getting a 127 return code. |
| 02:39:50 | andersee | Who is casey? |
| 02:40:04 | casey | casey anderson at lineo. |
| 02:40:11 | casey | is Tim Riker |
| 02:40:21 | andersee | Hmm. so vfork fails, return code=127. errno=? |
| 02:40:37 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 02:40:47 | BZFlag | not seeing the errno |
| 02:41:11 | BZFlag | but the vfork looks like is has FOO=1 BAR=2 command |
| 02:41:14 | Aelhaz | howdy tim |
| 02:41:35 | BZFlag | and it's trying to run "FOO=1" as a command name. |
| 02:42:12 | andersee | Is this mmu-less? |
| 02:42:13 | BZFlag | so the ? is who handles that? the shell or the c lib? I'm on glibc with busybox ash 0.60 or so. |
| 02:42:15 | BZFlag | no |
| 02:42:33 | andersee | Well for heavens sake-- if you have an mmu use fork()... |
| 02:42:52 | andersee | It makes a lot of things less messy. |
| 02:43:08 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: hey. bill's stringing RF CABLES.. |
| 02:43:26 | BZFlag | CASEY'S SCREWY MACHINE IS STUCK IN CAPS. SORRY FOR THE SCREAMING. |
| 02:43:39 | andersee | The most common error in the world is vfork(), then running tons of function calls, and failing to call exec() in a timely manner.... |
| 02:43:46 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Coool |
| 02:44:30 | BZFlag | HMMM... PERHAPS. HAVE TO POKE IN PLUTO THEN. |
| 02:44:40 | BZFlag | heh, fixed. |
| 02:44:48 | andersee | oh? |
| 02:44:53 | BZFlag | the caps. |
| 02:45:01 | andersee | ahh. Not the bug. |
| 02:45:09 | BZFlag | only had to hit caps lock like 50 times. |
| 02:45:12 | andersee | was going to be impressed at your debugging skill |
| 02:45:18 | BZFlag | heh |
| 02:45:51 | BZFlag | so what happens if vfork calls tons of function calls and does not exec soon? |
| 02:46:09 | BZFlag | vfork is using the parent shell env space? |
| 02:46:54 | andersee | vfork causes the parent to halt, and shares _everything_ with the parent. Gets a new stack frame though. |
| 02:47:12 | andersee | Function calls within a vfork are technically undefined behavior... |
| 02:47:31 | andersee | Modifying globals is right out. |
| 02:47:58 | BZFlag | hmm. sounds like a pluto bug then |
| 02:48:11 | BZFlag | cause that's what it does. |
| 02:49:17 | andersee | It should make local copies of globals on the stack, and use those... |
| 02:49:23 | andersee | i.e. |
| 02:49:25 | andersee | { |
| 02:49:33 | andersee | int foo = g_foo; |
| 02:49:46 | andersee | foo++; |
| 02:49:53 | andersee | that type of thing |
| 02:50:10 | andersee | Lineo should pay me consulting time for this... :) |
| 02:50:41 | andersee | I have my rate schedule. But for Lineo I start at $600/hr ;-) |
| 02:50:58 | BZFlag | only $600? |
| 02:51:27 | BZFlag | well, off to try some hacks... thanx. |
| 02:51:53 | andersee | no problem. |
| 02:52:07 | andersee | BTW, any chance that IS will fix oss? |
| 02:52:36 | BZFlag | what else is broken now? |
| 02:52:43 | andersee | outgoing ssh is totally broken. Makes rsyncing painful. |
| 02:53:11 | andersee | ssh into oss. Then try to ssh somewhere... Did they put it behind the freaking firewall? |
| 02:53:23 | BZFlag | probably |
| 02:53:52 | andersee | is going to pull all his work off of oss and write "Lineo sux" messages all over busybox |
| 02:53:59 | andersee | :-) |
| 02:54:16 | BZFlag | will laugh |
| 02:54:44 | BZFlag | I can't even get into oss now. |
| 02:55:15 | andersee | I can... |
| 02:55:33 | andersee | But I can't get back out from it... |
| 02:55:41 | andersee | Argh! Its sucking me in!!! |
| 02:56:01 | BZFlag | heh, blackhole IN CNAME oss |
| 02:57:04 | BZFlag | traceroute looks interesting |
| 02:57:53 | andersee | So does IS now get free reign to do whatever BOFH thing they want? |
| 02:58:22 | BZFlag | pretty much. roberts: "Don't fight with me. You will loose" |
| 02:59:18 | Aelhaz | more stupid dns tricks? |
| 02:59:31 | BZFlag | yep. and fw rules. |
| 03:00:01 | BZFlag | well, I'll bug em to fix oss routes tomorrow. no promises though. |
| 03:01:16 | Aelhaz | what were you contradicting the johns on? |
| 03:01:42 | andersee | The need for blocking outgoing ports? |
| 03:02:17 | Aelhaz | port blocking has a very limited value in a technically skilled organization |
| 03:02:49 | Aelhaz | if you start from the perspective of limiting Bad Behavior, it's a losing proposition |
| 03:03:30 | BZFlag | andersee: agreed. |
| 03:03:40 | BZFlag | goes back to work... |
| 03:03:47 | Aelhaz | There are more ways to get data out from behind a firewall than you can shake a stick at |
| 03:03:59 | Aelhaz | and if you take away all of them, folks will think of more |
| 03:04:21 | andersee | is working -- sitting on his couch |
| 03:04:50 | andersee | Aelhaz: TCP/IP tunneling via SMTP... Been done before... |
| 03:05:20 | Aelhaz | andersee: I've also seen tcp/ip tunneling via http proxy, and via dns |
| 03:07:16 | andersee | is fixing uClibc signal handling which he broke on Friday |
| 03:09:03 | Aelhaz | Like any other policy, firewall policies should start by first defining what you wish to prevent, and then by analyzing whether or not you can effectively prevent it. Network administrators never do this, because it leads to very simplistic firewall policies, and they're hard to explain to management |
| 03:10:12 | andersee | I think in the Lineo case, they are simply trying to come up with justifications for the obsene amounts of money they spent on bad solutions when better solutions are free... |
| 03:10:42 | andersee | So they clamp down to seem important, rather thay looking like the fools that they are |
| 03:10:51 | Aelhaz | Could be |
| 03:10:55 | andersee | but thats just my opinion.... |
| 03:11:21 | Aelhaz | they were using some funkyass firewall system, weren't they? |
| 03:11:28 | Aelhaz | could be worse, they coulda bought a Cisco PIX |
| 03:11:28 | cory | yeah, really expensive firewalls don't make sense to me |
| 03:13:01 | Aelhaz | cory: the marketing hype is fantastic, tho |
| 03:13:10 | Aelhaz | I mean, the PIX has HARDWARE NAT!!! |
| 03:13:21 | Aelhaz | (never mind that their NAT asic is dumb) |
| 03:14:47 | cory | I don't understand why people don't just a big old linux/*bsd box and have somebody competent do stuff.. |
| 03:14:53 | cory | just get |
| 03:15:14 | Aelhaz | hey, some of those expensive firewall solutions are just a big old BSD box |
| 03:16:38 | Aelhaz | that costs $20k |
| 03:22:15 | andersee | So has any progress been made on the kernel? |
| 03:24:08 | andersee | I'm about to reboot my netwinder into 2.4.9-ac18-rmk1... |
| 03:24:08 | andersee | The phones are still at 2.4.7... |
| 04:24:58 | GoRK | andersee: russ said he had done some work getting 2.4.9 or maybe 2.4.10.. i forget. but it was freezing somewhere |
| 04:58:04 | scanline | is away: watching star trek |
| 05:08:32 | andersee | GoRK: that'd be nice |
| 05:08:58 | GoRK | andersee: no responses on the libm problem :( |
| 05:09:22 | GoRK | that email ok? |
| 05:09:35 | GoRK | it's all good though i am buried in other junk right now |
| 05:10:20 | cory | is talking to linus torvalds |
| 05:10:33 | GoRK | about what? |
| 05:10:41 | cory | thanked him for making it |
| 05:10:56 | GoRK | i talked to rmk last night.. that is a little similar |
| 05:11:01 | GoRK | is he on irc or something? |
| 05:11:06 | cory | no. techtv conf call |
| 05:11:12 | cory | join efnet #ti, we are talking about it |
| 05:11:15 | GoRK | ahh heh |
| 05:11:19 | GoRK | cool |
| 05:12:18 | andersee | GoRK: btw, I rebooted winder on you... sorry 'bout that... |
| 05:12:36 | andersee | GoRK: I spoke briefly with Manuel about the libm problem... |
| 05:12:46 | GoRK | hmm must have been a shell from yesterday... or a screen |
| 05:12:51 | GoRK | it was probably just a screen |
| 05:12:59 | GoRK | what did he say? |
| 05:13:07 | andersee | GoRK: He's way busy... But I have some ideas. |
| 05:13:54 | andersee | GoRK: Well, Looks like some of the math functions need rewrites ignoring 16 bit arche support.... |
| 05:14:09 | GoRK | yeah. not too many actually, though |
| 05:14:17 | andersee | fortunately |
| 05:15:16 | GoRK | i think it is only the ones that use union's too. i think it is confined to that |
| 05:15:38 | GoRK | doulbe's work in type conversions and everything else properly |
| 05:15:47 | andersee | So anyways, hes leaving for like 10 days. So I'll be handling this one, and he'll be cleaning up after me when he gets back. Manuel is really good at numerical algorithms. I'm ok, but I just have a math minor, not a phd... |
| 05:17:31 | andersee | I'm back this evening fighting with uClibc. just finished reworking the signal code -- didn't fix the problem... |
| 05:17:53 | GoRK | ok cool. when do you have some time to do that? (not like i am trying to pressure you or anything, but i just wanted to know if it was soon enough that i shouldn't bother kludging it so i can maybe hunt down some more buggers) |
| 05:18:22 | GoRK | because i can totally kludge my tree for some hacky arm-only junk |
| 05:18:28 | GoRK | hehe:) |
| 05:18:36 | andersee | heh |
| 05:18:42 | andersee | Lemme make some suggestions.... |
| 05:18:47 | andersee | 2 secs... |
| 05:19:47 | GoRK | ok |
| 05:21:04 | andersee | Ok. In my home dir on winder is /home/andersen/libc -- that has most all the open source C libraries sitting in it... |
| 05:21:49 | GoRK | on a totally unrelated note, i have now had courier in production on my mailserver for over a week and it has performed flawlessly (except i had configured too many DNS RBL's and SMTP connections were timing out... it was just too easy to turn on like 5 or 8 or 20....) |
| 05:21:53 | andersee | So as a quick pass, grep through that stuff, look for the most sane/simple looking implementations of stuff, and steal them.. |
| 05:22:02 | GoRK | ok |
| 05:22:38 | andersee | courier gives you web mail as well as mailing lists, right? |
| 05:22:56 | GoRK | well my initial plan was just to rewrite the existing uClibc stuff to point to the proper shorts.. that will work for all except 2 functions i think |
| 05:23:20 | GoRK | yeah sqwebmail gives webmail. it's not super flexible but it works |
| 05:23:45 | andersee | pgp/gpg support? |
| 05:23:47 | GoRK | either way the IMAP implementation in courier is so good that you could drop in any good webmail package like squirrelmail |
| 05:23:57 | GoRK | yes sqwebmail supports pgp/gpg |
| 05:24:08 | andersee | cool |
| 05:24:19 | andersee | I may have to take a closer look. |
| 05:24:36 | andersee | I've looked at squirlmail, didn't see any pgp/gpg suport... |
| 05:24:47 | GoRK | squirrelmail doesnt, no |
| 05:24:51 | GoRK | or at least it didn't |
| 05:25:39 | andersee | goes to look for food |
| 05:26:22 | GoRK | blah this email sending gizmo doesn't fork enough. too slow. blah. Should have bumped that number before i started the acutal mailing |
| 05:29:56 | GoRK | also the way this works it'd be trivial to write a secure web based account admin tool also |
| 05:42:31 | andersee | Urg -- this is a nasty heisenbug |
| 05:49:06 | cory | so who is rmk? |
| 05:49:11 | cory | the conf call ended |
| 05:50:03 | GoRK | tuxscreen:~/perl-5.6.1# uname -a |
| 05:50:04 | GoRK | Linux tuxscreen 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 #2 Fri Sep 28 15:35:09 CDT 2001 armv4l unknown |
| 05:50:14 | GoRK | that rmk :) the arm rmk |
| 05:50:19 | cory | somebody asked linus if he liked little boys on the conf call |
| 05:50:24 | GoRK | haha |
| 05:50:24 | cory | and linus called him a crude moron |
| 05:50:36 | GoRK | sorry i won't do it again |
| 05:50:41 | cory | hehe |
| 05:50:49 | cory | they're going to edit it out before it airs |
| 05:51:01 | GoRK | musta been a bsd luser |
| 05:51:10 | cory | hehe |
| 05:51:20 | cory | maybe it was linus' choice of literature |
| 05:51:26 | cory | linus mentioned arthur c clarke |
| 05:52:16 | cory | arthur c clarke went to sri lanka |
| 05:52:30 | cory | after some accusations of, er, impropriety involving little boys |
| 05:53:07 | GoRK | that and it's a lot easier to smoke weed there too |
| 05:53:09 | cory | anyway linus' wife is like #1 kickboxing in finland or something? |
| 05:53:10 | GoRK | and opium |
| 05:53:22 | cory | I wanted to ask linus how he met his wife |
| 05:53:25 | cory | I couldn't find it on google |
| 05:53:45 | GoRK | i know this guy that looks exactly like linus |
| 05:53:53 | cory | linus has a seriously thick accent, man |
| 05:53:53 | GoRK | one time i had a history prof named Alan Cox too |
| 05:53:58 | cory | I had no idea it would be so nuts |
| 05:54:17 | cory | to me, dumb american, it sounds like thick russian |
| 05:55:09 | cory | he talked for like 5 minutes a question |
| 05:55:13 | cory | really really long |
| 05:55:15 | GoRK | nyet. thees to be soundink like theek accent from motherland |
| 05:55:29 | cory | hmmm. |
| 05:55:36 | cory | well it was really strong, whatever it was |
| 05:55:49 | cory | I _know_ it's a swedish accent, I'm just saying it sounded like russian |
| 05:55:49 | cory | heh |
| 05:59:04 | GoRK | gotta sleep now |
| 05:59:31 | GoRK | andersee: thanks again for the help. hopefully ill have some time tomorrow to kludge libm and find more bugs |
| 05:59:44 | andersee | cool |
| 05:59:49 | andersee | night then |
| 06:01:03 | GoRK | later |
| 09:51:16 | debug | cory, Not kickboxing, she was a karate champion. |
| 10:04:05 | cory | hrm |
| 10:04:18 | cory | ok. |
| 12:01:54 | boris | w000h000 |
| 12:02:03 | boris | got my tuxscreen :) |
| 12:42:25 | prpplague | morning all |
| 12:53:39 | boris | i have my tuxscreen! |
| 12:53:49 | boris | :) now time to get linux on it |
| 12:55:04 | prpplague | boris: did you hug the delivery man, like on the directtv commercial? |
| 12:58:11 | boris | yeah :) |
| 13:02:20 | prpplague | man i'm still getting email with that darn "hi how are you" virus... |
| 13:04:37 | boris | what cable can i use to connect the phone to my machine via a serial port? |
| 13:05:40 | mallum | null modem cable |
| 13:06:02 | boris | reckon pc wprld would sell one? |
| 13:07:19 | mallum | probably |
| 13:07:23 | mallum | maplins would be better |
| 13:07:43 | boris | i dont have a maplins to hand :) |
| 13:08:36 | boris | so i want a 9pin->9pin null modem cable |
| 13:10:06 | boris | creates a shopping list |
| 13:11:41 | boris | so i also need a 12v powersupply? |
| 13:15:30 | pattieja | is back (gone 14:29:03) |
| 13:23:40 | boris | CosmicPenguin: y0 |
| 13:23:58 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i got my tuxscreen :) |
| 13:33:17 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Thats awesome.... . Have you started to unlock it yet? |
| 13:36:04 | RedBaron | Howdy all |
| 13:47:05 | rob__ | prpplague: at least it's not the happy99 virus ;-) |
| 13:48:30 | signal11 | heh, happy99 ruled |
| 13:48:46 | signal11 | back in the day of benign virii |
| 13:50:20 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Have you enlightment folks encountered a bug where some apps are spawnned in a completely random virtual desktop? |
| 13:50:33 | CosmicPenguin | Especially X based apps like Nano-X?? |
| 14:04:02 | rob__ | I wouldnt mind going back to the day when virii were only 2k ;-) |
| 14:04:07 | rob__ | I hate these stupid 1mb email virii |
| 14:06:47 | CosmicPenguin | rob__: It would be really interesting to track the development of viruses vs the techniques taught to programmers.... |
| 14:07:21 | rob__ | CosmicPenguin: hehe godo point |
| 14:07:26 | rob__ | err s/godo/good/ |
| 14:08:14 | CosmicPenguin | I'll bet you can pinpoint when schools started teaching more VB and less assembly, eh? |
| 14:10:39 | RobFlynn | Heh yup, it would be pretty easy. =) Kinda sad, huh? :) |
| 14:10:48 | RobFlynn | I think I'm gonna write something in assemlby today :) |
| 14:10:55 | RobFlynn | assembly, sheesh, I need to learn to type first. |
| 16:20:03 | AlHazWork | hmm, another buildroot-tux bug |
| 16:20:47 | CosmicPenguin | There are several... |
| 16:21:02 | AlHazWork | well, mkfs.jffs2 won't build here |
| 16:21:51 | AlHazWork | which is pretty much a showstopper |
| 16:22:21 | CosmicPenguin | I would say so.... |
| 16:22:58 | AlHazWork | mkfs.jffs2.c:25: warning: invalid character in macro parameter name |
| 16:22:59 | AlHazWork | mkfs.jffs2.c:25: badly punctuated parameter list in `#define' |
| 16:22:59 | AlHazWork | make[1]: *** [mkfs.jffs2.o] Error 1 |
| 16:23:02 | AlHazWork | maybe I'll go have a look |
| 16:23:11 | CosmicPenguin | sounds like a compiler thing.... |
| 16:23:23 | AlHazWork | I'm using the emdebian crossdev rpms on redhat 6.2 |
| 16:23:55 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmmm... I'll bet ya it is written for 2.96+.... |
| 16:24:40 | AlHazWork | I used 2.95.3 on a debian box a couple weeks ago, and that worked |
| 16:24:42 | CosmicPenguin | <insert evil comment about RedHat upgrading GCC here> |
| 16:25:10 | AlHazWork | emdebian is 2.95.2 |
| 16:25:22 | CosmicPenguin | But the mk.jffs2 is native.... |
| 16:25:26 | AlHazWork | true |
| 16:25:37 | AlHazWork | but I'm using redhat 6.2 |
| 16:25:42 | AlHazWork | pre-nastyness |
| 16:25:59 | CosmicPenguin | Unless the code is written for post nastiness..... :) |
| 16:26:06 | AlHazWork | true |
| 16:26:29 | CosmicPenguin | I would try it out, but I don't have a 6.2 box at hand.... |
| 16:26:32 | CosmicPenguin | s/at/on/ |
| 16:26:36 | AlHazWork | ok, on my debian box, native gcc is 2.95.2 |
| 16:26:46 | AlHazWork | and on this redhat box it's egcs-2.91.66 |
| 16:55:40 | boris | CosmicPenguin: got my tux :) |
| 16:55:52 | scanline | is back (gone 11:57:49) |
| 16:57:21 | CosmicPenguin | boris: ... :) You mentioned that before i decided to crash my desktop..... congrats. |
| 16:58:34 | prpplague | AlHazWork: still no working rxvt... |
| 16:58:40 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Hmm |
| 16:58:53 | AlHazWork | prpplague: jailbait linux (sucky as it is) has the same problem |
| 16:59:25 | AlHazWork | "only works as root" sounds like a permissions issue, sorta |
| 16:59:58 | prpplague | AlHazWork: thats what i keep thinking, i had some permission problems on my yopy, but nothing like this... |
| 17:01:02 | boris | hmm |
| 17:01:02 | boris | crap |
| 17:01:09 | boris | ho do i install inferno |
| 17:01:14 | boris | i have downloaded it all |
| 17:01:24 | boris | and am trying to run Linux-386.sh |
| 17:01:26 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Did you get the modified linuxemu? |
| 17:01:32 | boris | yep got that |
| 17:02:15 | boris | well |
| 17:02:45 | boris | i downloaded Linux.tgz, inferno.tgz and linuxemu.gz |
| 17:03:14 | boris | i have tar zxvfp's the two tgz's |
| 17:03:29 | boris | and trying to run the Linux-386.sh in the install dir |
| 17:04:09 | AlHazWork | it takes longer to flash the root fs even tho it's smaller than the kernel . . |
| 17:05:07 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Do you think it has anything to do with those disk not reading warnings when you boot for the first time with a new rootfs? |
| 17:05:13 | CosmicPenguin | s/reading/ready/ |
| 17:05:42 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: maybe, idunno |
| 17:07:33 | boris | ok |
| 17:07:34 | boris | cool |
| 17:07:37 | boris | installing inferno |
| 17:07:50 | boris | will flash his tux on friday |
| 17:09:41 | AlHazWork | OK, the buildroot root fs has flashed, and I've got nothin |
| 17:09:51 | AlHazWork | .: Can't open /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:10:14 | AlHazWork | serial console is even better |
| 17:10:18 | AlHazWork | Uncompressing Linux............................................................. |
| 17:10:18 | AlHazWork | .... done, booting the kernel. |
| 17:10:18 | AlHazWork | |..|L.èî....è.ì.P..îìà..êòp |
| 17:10:23 | CosmicPenguin | Doh |
| 17:10:29 | AlHazWork | (that showed up about the time the penguin appeared on the screen) |
| 17:10:34 | boris | ok |
| 17:10:39 | boris | crap |
| 17:10:47 | CosmicPenguin | You know that andersee sneaked in 115200 baud rates everywhere, right? |
| 17:10:51 | boris | how do i get the inferno thing to use /dev/ttyS1 |
| 17:10:55 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Yes |
| 17:11:33 | CosmicPenguin | boris: I forget... someone put it on the wiki though.... |
| 17:11:46 | boris | k |
| 17:12:14 | boris | ; bind -a '#'t /dev |
| 17:12:14 | boris | bind: no free devices |
| 17:12:18 | boris | hmm |
| 17:12:20 | boris | shit |
| 17:12:52 | boris | any ideas? |
| 17:13:19 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Stupid question... /dev/ttyS1 is really free, right? |
| 17:13:36 | boris | yup |
| 17:13:51 | AlHazWork | Oh, well, this is nice, it's not even giving me the blob when i reset it |
| 17:14:00 | prpplague | doh! |
| 17:14:41 | CosmicPenguin | Boris: Your user has r/w on the serial ports? |
| 17:14:53 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: In other words, don't upgrade to the latest version of buildroot? |
| 17:15:37 | AlHazWork | Hmm, it came back |
| 17:16:05 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Well, it doesn't appear to hand out any gettys |
| 17:16:33 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Cool.... Does this mean we can yell at andersee for a bit??? :-) |
| 17:17:35 | boris | crap |
| 17:17:43 | boris | BZFlag: got my tuxscreen, thanks :) |
| 17:17:56 | boris | hrmm |
| 17:18:09 | boris | any ideas why bind in inferno isn't working? |
| 17:18:13 | boris | ; bind -a '#'ttyS1 /dev |
| 17:18:13 | boris | bind: no free devices |
| 17:18:17 | boris | hmm |
| 17:18:23 | CosmicPenguin | boris: try /dev/ttyS1 isntead |
| 17:19:08 | boris | ok |
| 17:19:09 | boris | brb |
| 17:26:37 | boris | ok |
| 17:26:44 | boris | still not working |
| 17:28:02 | boris | hmmm |
| 17:28:45 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: thanks for cf cards |
| 17:29:25 | boris | any ideas anoyone? |
| 17:29:28 | boris | ; bind -a '#'t /dev |
| 17:29:29 | boris | bind: no free devices |
| 17:29:39 | Error403 | boris: chmod a+rw /dev/ttyS0 |
| 17:29:46 | SpaceCoaster | boris: i think it uses funky names for tty devices e??? |
| 17:30:34 | boris | i want it to use /dev/ttyS1 |
| 17:30:55 | Error403 | well that sucks :( |
| 17:31:00 | boris | ok |
| 17:31:03 | boris | bbiab |
| 17:31:12 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: sure. can you send andersee, russ or I your pppd patches? |
| 17:33:15 | SpaceCoaster | ok |
| 17:33:26 | BZFlag | tried -p/dev/eia1 ? |
| 17:33:46 | SpaceCoaster | boris: thats the e???? ! |
| 17:45:11 | boris | w0hhh0h0h0h |
| 17:45:15 | boris | i got it working :) |
| 17:47:07 | mallum | scanline: you about ? |
| 17:47:40 | mallum | boris: ;) |
| 17:48:07 | boris | ok |
| 17:48:09 | boris | shit |
| 17:48:23 | boris | now the next step is to unlock the tuxscreen |
| 17:48:28 | boris | :P |
| 17:49:16 | boris | to back it up from inferno remote i'd do |
| 17:49:28 | boris | c F!all D!inferno_backup.img ? |
| 17:49:42 | Error403 | yes |
| 17:49:49 | boris | k |
| 17:49:54 | Error403 | but it will take ~50 min on a 9600 connection |
| 17:50:07 | boris | how can i get a faster gonnextion? |
| 17:50:23 | GoRK | mallum: scanline is active over in #picogui |
| 17:50:41 | Error403 | I wouldnt recommend it (so says BZFlag), but: instead of rdp -s9600 -r, make it rdp -s115200 -r |
| 17:50:42 | mallum | GoRK: thx |
| 17:50:56 | boris | oh |
| 17:51:03 | boris | so it's best to just leave it on 9600? |
| 17:51:43 | Error403 | I don't know sh*t |
| 17:51:45 | Error403 | :) |
| 17:51:49 | boris | oh =P |
| 17:51:58 | Error403 | BZFlag: .... ? |
| 17:52:24 | boris | mallum: are there any issues with using 115200? |
| 17:53:37 | boris | crap |
| 17:54:04 | boris | hmm |
| 17:55:35 | CosmicPenguin | mine didn't work very weill on 115200.... |
| 17:58:47 | BZFlag | Error403: if you plan on backing up the image, then I would also recommend 115200, but some PCs might not handle that speed. |
| 17:58:54 | BZFlag | if it works, go for it! |
| 17:59:34 | Error403 | looks at his brand new Asus A7M266 board... well, if _THIS_ doesnt support 115200 baud, I dont know what will :) |
| 18:15:54 | BZFlag | try it at 115200. if it works, then cool. |
| 18:16:09 | Error403 | well, I did mine |
| 18:16:16 | BZFlag | if you have used your port at 115200 to dl from other devices then you are ok. |
| 18:16:18 | Error403 | but I have to get a microdrive |
| 18:16:32 | BZFlag | my dell 5000e laptop does not work, but my desktop does. |
| 18:16:56 | Error403 | hm |
| 18:18:26 | Error403 | So why exactly are you guys creating another Linux embedded dist? |
| 18:18:44 | Error403 | Friendlylinux (or whatever it is) didnt work for ya? |
| 18:18:58 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: Friendlylinux??? |
| 18:19:01 | AlHazWork | because we can? |
| 18:19:05 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, Familiar.... |
| 18:19:17 | CosmicPenguin | Too big |
| 18:19:20 | Error403 | ah |
| 18:19:23 | Error403 | how big is it? |
| 18:19:24 | AlHazWork | Error403: possibly because andersee maintains busybox and uclibc and tinylogin |
| 18:19:33 | Error403 | ahh |
| 18:19:33 | AlHazWork | familiar is like 16 megs, way too big |
| 18:19:39 | Error403 | ok |
| 18:19:43 | AlHazWork | there's only 4 megs of flash in the thing |
| 18:19:48 | Error403 | I know |
| 18:19:59 | CosmicPenguin | But it does work well on the Tuxscreen, though.... just FYI |
| 18:20:04 | Error403 | Does Familiar have sound support? |
| 18:20:53 | AlHazWork | what do you mean by "sound support"? |
| 18:21:07 | Error403 | the act of supporting a sound card |
| 18:21:08 | Error403 | :) |
| 18:21:20 | AlHazWork | that mostly pertains to the kernel |
| 18:21:22 | GoRK | that'd be up to the kernel |
| 18:21:27 | Error403 | yup, I realize that |
| 18:21:31 | AlHazWork | GoRK: hey, did your jtag stuff show up? |
| 18:21:37 | Error403 | but is it configurable? |
| 18:21:52 | GoRK | AlHaz: hey yes it did yesterday.. i was going to tell you when i next saw you on which would be now |
| 18:21:54 | AlHazWork | Error403: what do you mean configurable? |
| 18:22:02 | AlHazWork | GoRK: cool, good to know it got there ok |
| 18:22:12 | Error403 | nm |
| 18:27:55 | AlHazWork | hmm, this looks bad |
| 18:27:57 | AlHazWork | pgd = c0340000 |
| 18:27:57 | AlHazWork | *pgd = c03b8801, *pmd = c03b8801, *pte = c02f601f, *ppte = c02f6aae |
| 18:27:57 | AlHazWork | __alloc_pages: 4-order allocation failed. |
| 18:28:45 | AlHazWork | this tux is being ornery |
| 18:30:24 | AlHazWork | prolly just not enough ram, don't have an sodimm in it |
| 18:30:27 | cworth | AlhazWork: the core of Familiar is much smaller than 16MB. I hope to have Familiar/X in my phone's flash soon, (busybox should help). |
| 18:30:48 | Error403 | cworth: hmmm, you're going for X? |
| 18:30:50 | AlHazWork | cworth: I want to run familiar on one of mine, but I'm going to do it on a 64 meg cf card |
| 18:30:55 | AlHazWork | gotta go mail something, bbl |
| 18:31:06 | Error403 | cworth: I 'supose you are a C programmer? |
| 18:31:20 | cworth | Error403: I don't use computers without X very often. |
| 18:31:28 | Error403 | yeah |
| 18:31:29 | cworth | Error403: yes. |
| 18:31:40 | Error403 | well, then that's why you want X I 'spose... GTK? :( |
| 18:31:52 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: Familiar in 3MB? THat would be awesome.... |
| 18:32:26 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: I'll see what I can do. Python probably won't make that cut. ;-) |
| 18:33:04 | GoRK | i plan on releasing an image fairly soon now that has picogui, perl, and a lot of little demo apps that should fit into flash w/ no problem |
| 18:33:08 | cworth | Error403: What I really want is X, a good WM, xstroke, and a menu. |
| 18:33:15 | Error403 | cworth: ahh |
| 18:33:22 | CosmicPenguin | Microwindows - 2.2MB |
| 18:33:23 | Error403 | cworth: Help me port parts of KDE to Qt/E ;) |
| 18:33:24 | Error403 | ducks |
| 18:33:34 | cworth | Error403: everything after that I'll probably do remotely. |
| 18:33:42 | Error403 | awww |
| 18:34:00 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: X will do it, no problem, right? |
| 18:34:05 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: fit, I mean... |
| 18:34:20 | GoRK | i really don't think qt/e is ever going to make it successfully into the tux flash... |
| 18:34:39 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not what Trolltech says.... :) |
| 18:34:43 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: X should fit just fine. The server is 700kB and self contained. |
| 18:34:57 | Error403 | GoRK: nope :) of course not |
| 18:34:59 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: And that should compress down about halfish, I would say.... |
| 18:35:05 | Error403 | GoRK: I'm buying a microdrive |
| 18:35:26 | GoRK | they say qt/e will fit in 4mb, they dont say that includes glibc and the kernel... |
| 18:36:18 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: That should compress down to the right size with jffs2.... course, you get no apps, but... |
| 18:36:54 | GoRK | well... maybe... |
| 18:37:48 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Anyway, it doesn't matter. I just want to see as many GUIs running as we possibly can... |
| 18:58:01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I know why Python 'locks up' |
| 18:59:02 | GoRK | mallum: if you want to just get it running, you can do a static link to glibc's libm |
| 19:00:08 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Wish I could help.... I don't know a whole lot about python.... |
| 19:00:15 | mallum | GoRK: aha ( me thinks how the compile for that would work ) |
| 19:00:16 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe one of your memory dimms is bad??? |
| 19:00:30 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: apparently uClibc's libm has problems on arm |
| 19:00:50 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: causing infinite loops |
| 19:01:09 | boris | when the phone has linux on it, is it still useable as a phone? |
| 19:01:12 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Sorry, I misread your previous comment..... |
| 19:01:12 | GoRK | mallum: instead of -lm just do /path/to/libm.a |
| 19:01:28 | mallum | GoRK: ok cool |
| 19:01:30 | GoRK | mallum: that worked on some other junk i did |
| 19:02:02 | GoRK | i think.. i didnt actually put it on a machine without glibc to test it |
| 19:02:13 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Have you narrowed it down to a particular family of functions? |
| 19:02:39 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Gork knows alot more about it than me |
| 19:03:16 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: it has to do with the way ARM stores double's. the byte order is screwy and is not like it is on either normal little endian or normal big endian processors |
| 19:03:29 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: *nod* |
| 19:03:50 | GoRK | the libm makes some bad assumptions about that |
| 19:03:59 | andersee | GoRK: I'm hopeful I'll get a few to fix it this evening.... |
| 19:04:16 | GoRK | cool. that soon eh? |
| 19:04:29 | andersee | GoRK: hopefully by ditching the 16 bit system support. |
| 19:04:40 | GoRK | what about elks? |
| 19:05:13 | andersee | They have their own stuff -- they don't use uClibc. |
| 19:05:21 | GoRK | ah. ok just wondering |
| 19:07:26 | mallum | andersee: thanks for looking into this |
| 19:30:07 | AlHazWork | I have Duck's DFE-670TXD working fine in my 2nd tux phone |
| 19:30:25 | AlHazWork | dunno what problem bmidgely was having |
| 19:33:19 | mallum | has there been any progress on the ts problems ? |
| 19:34:41 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: dunno..... |
| 19:35:32 | mallum | I think Im gonna have to flash my other phone and hope that works |
| 19:37:52 | GoRK | good god. want to see some tax dollars at waste? try http://www.anthrax.osd.mil/ During a shortage of vaccine they pay for this garbage? |
| 19:39:18 | GoRK | oh yeah make sure you can view flash and have your sound up so you can really boogie down to the 'antrax kills' intro/theme |
| 19:44:59 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:48:08 | AlHazWork | rc.pcmcia is missing some configuration bits in the latest buildroot . . . |
| 19:51:09 | AlHazWork | PCIC= is blank, should =i82365, right? |
| 19:54:03 | AlHazWork | Right. |
| 19:54:05 | AlHazWork | works now |
| 19:55:05 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Is buildroot working better now, or is it still sick? |
| 20:00:36 | andersee | What happened to it? |
| 20:01:45 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: The problem was indeed my old compiler, Tim tweaked the source and it compiled |
| 20:02:12 | AlHazWork | andersee: mkfs.jffs2 doesn't build when gcc is egcs-2.91.66 (as on redhat 6.2) |
| 20:02:16 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Cool. What about blob not coming back.... |
| 20:02:35 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Seems to have been temporary, that phone is working fine now |
| 20:03:04 | AlHazWork | I haven't installed the 115kbps blob, tho |
| 20:03:48 | andersee | AlHazWork: Whats the blob error msg? |
| 20:04:18 | andersee | AlHazWork: err. Whats the mkfs.jffs2 compile error msg? |
| 20:05:17 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Ok, cool. So I can upgrade the other parts of my buildroot without fear.... |
| 20:07:39 | AlHazWork | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ericj/src/buildroot-tux/mtd/util' |
| 20:07:39 | AlHazWork | cc -I/home/ericj/src/buildroot-tux/linux/include -I../include -O2 -Wall -c -o mkfs.jffs2.o mkfs.jffs2.c |
| 20:07:39 | AlHazWork | mkfs.jffs2.c:25: warning: invalid character in macro parameter name |
| 20:07:39 | AlHazWork | mkfs.jffs2.c:25: badly punctuated parameter list in `#define' |
| 20:07:39 | AlHazWork | make[1]: *** [mkfs.jffs2.o] Error 1 |
| 20:10:49 | andersee | AlHazWork: thats a namespace bug in your C library's header files... |
| 20:11:03 | andersee | AlHazWork: But I'll put in a fix for it anyways.... |
| 20:11:52 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 20:13:16 | mallum | hi |
| 20:13:36 | as_ | Hi mallum. |
| 20:14:35 | RedBaron | Hello |
| 20:18:08 | andersee | AlHazWork: k, fixed now in the mtd CVS |
| 20:21:45 | AlHazWork | andersee: Cool |
| 20:27:54 | scanline | is back (gone 00:42:54) |
| 21:11:29 | pattieja | is away: bible study + dinner (mmmm) |
| 22:29:25 | scanline | is away: food |
| 22:55:43 | scanline | is back (gone 00:26:19) |
| 23:15:29 | scanline | is away: class |