irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.10.02

irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.10.02 00:01:59 what's up, wedge 00:01:59 wedge howdy 00:02:09 wedge: sorry... 00:02:09 wedge how goes it, ibot? 00:02:15 wedge goes sorry? 00:02:18 wedge that's a bummer, amigo. 00:02:31 wedge: i'm not following you... 00:02:31 wedge test, ibot? 00:02:33 wedge heh. 00:06:58 wedge baalzebubba? 00:07:03 wedge i used to know a cat named baalzebubba. 00:07:13 wedge think he was from a mush. 00:07:16 wedge whaddup, Error403? 00:07:18 wedge you get the goods? 00:10:14 wedge you got the motz? 00:42:33 Sammy morning everyone ... 00:51:29 Russ morning 01:18:39 Error403 wedge: !@#!@# 01:18:45 Error403 w00000 h000000 01:18:53 Error403 I just got home from work and I got da g00d5 01:18:55 Error403 :P 01:22:03 Error403 walk through it with me plz 01:23:58 Error403 grr, I have to go find a 12V power adapter 01:24:10 SpaceCoaster hi Error403 got that null modem! 01:24:14 Error403 yup 01:24:19 SpaceCoaster great 01:24:41 SpaceCoaster wedge was looking for you but he seems to have gone quiet 01:30:07 Error403 I noticed 01:30:32 SpaceCoaster What are you plans? 01:30:34 Error403 but I have a 12V adapter it just is 30VA 01:31:26 SpaceCoaster Is that for unlocking the flash? 01:37:59 Error403 yes 01:38:09 SpaceCoaster Should be good, if it's DC! 01:38:31 Error403 of course it is, I'm not stupid :) 01:38:46 SpaceCoaster nah, but I am sometimes 01:47:17 Error403 ok, time to fry a tuxscreen 01:50:11 AeroSpace Is the 12V just a sense, or does it use some current though it? 01:50:26 SpaceCoaster not much current at all 01:51:29 AeroSpace I have the tuxscreens, but this layoff stuff has a bit higher priority right now. 01:51:48 SpaceCoaster layoff! 01:56:23 Error403 layoff? 01:57:36 Error403 So do I unlock it before I use the inferno utilities or what? 01:58:01 SpaceCoaster use the inferno stuff to see what the flags are first 01:58:10 Error403 k 01:58:59 SpaceCoaster the 12v just enables the facility to unlock, the bootloader commands do the unlocking 02:03:47 Error403 where do you have to be on the TuxScreen for this inferno utility to work? 02:04:03 Error403 I'm in Inferno, but it isn't doing anything *sigh* 02:04:52 SpaceCoaster hmmm, did you do the ESC crtl-a stuff on the tuxscreen? 02:05:01 Error403 no :} 02:05:17 SpaceCoaster Then reset the phone. Hit ESC at the fading screen, then ctrl-a 02:05:34 Error403 ahh 02:05:36 Error403 good, worked 02:05:53 SpaceCoaster copied straight off the wiki :-) 02:06:41 Error403 nice all of the flgs (flags) are 0 02:06:43 Error403 is that right? 02:06:49 Error403 (is that unlocked) 02:06:53 Error403 boris: welcome 02:06:59 SpaceCoaster only if they have already been cleared 02:07:12 Error403 I didn't clear them 02:07:19 Error403 Tim must have? 02:07:28 SpaceCoaster sneaky 02:07:38 SpaceCoaster how did you display them 02:07:50 Error403 P 02:08:14 Error403 okay 02:08:17 Error403 any hoo 02:09:23 SpaceCoaster I remember so other command P/m or something, lemme check 02:09:49 GoRK P/m prints out the partitions. The last digit in each line should be 0 if it is unloacked 02:09:59 Error403 all of them? 02:10:03 Error403 most of mine are 0 02:10:09 Error403 there are a few that are 'f' 02:10:12 GoRK yes most are but you have to unlock the ones that arent 02:10:22 Error403 grr 02:10:27 GoRK put 12V on, do P/u 02:10:32 GoRK to unprotect 02:10:42 GoRK then take 12V off and do P/m to check 02:10:42 Error403 I really didnt want to do this voltage thing :( 02:10:50 Error403 while it is on? 02:10:55 GoRK erm then you should have sent tim 25 bucks 02:10:58 GoRK yes while it is on 02:12:00 GoRK dont touch the wrong pads 02:12:09 GoRK that's what you can use scotch tape for if you are shaky 02:12:46 Error403 I plan to take every protective measure 02:13:59 Error403 and you have to type P/u while they are touching? 02:14:06 GoRK yes 02:14:35 Error403 well it crashed when I took out the ram 02:14:38 GoRK and make sure you apply the voltage before you hit enter on the P/u command. if you don't, it'll say "Waiting for 12V but i havent ever seen it work 02:14:40 Error403 obviously 02:14:55 andersee GoRK: So did you end up getting perl to work? 02:15:16 GoRK yeah it compiles. i think all that is left are some libc issues 02:15:19 GoRK mainly in the math libs 02:15:33 GoRK certain things seem to be making it run away too 02:15:54 GoRK i havent had a lot of time to work on it. i am halfway through a trade show. blah 02:16:24 andersee trade show? ick... 02:16:30 Error403 I'm confused 02:16:37 Error403 Is it okay if the screen screws up? 02:16:41 Error403 since I took the ram out? 02:16:42 GoRK i may try compiling against uClibc for the main part and glibc's libm 02:16:50 GoRK Error403: boot with the SODIMM out 02:16:56 Error403 k 02:17:02 Error403 I get a black screen 02:17:05 Error403 is that okay? 02:17:09 GoRK pull the power 02:17:37 Error403 ,,, 02:17:39 Error403 ... 02:17:57 andersee If you can give me test cases that show problems, I'll get the problems fixed ASAP. And then Manuel will probably rewrite the offending functions to make them a zillion times faster while eliminating loss of precision... 02:18:13 GoRK andersee: also i got my JTAG dongle today so i have a phone to resurect :) 02:18:36 as2 How did you kill it? 02:18:54 GoRK andersee; Is there a way to get uClibc to trace itself? or do i have to use a debugger to see what functions it's in? 02:19:02 Error403 ??? 02:19:15 GoRK as2: Tim had left a bad inferno image on the ftp site and I was the first one to try flashing it 02:19:25 as2 Doh. 02:19:47 SpaceCoaster GoRK: not the first :-( 02:20:23 as2 Do they have inferno on when they arrive? 02:20:28 GoRK oh hehehe well he said he hadnt heard about it yet 02:20:33 GoRK as2: yeah an older version 02:20:35 SpaceCoaster GoRK: I thought that I had screwed up. 02:20:40 as2 Ahh. 02:21:27 GoRK as2: since I plan on actually doing a telephony project with them, I figured I'd check out the latest and greatest stuff that inferno had to offer before i went and installed linux. sadly i made a brick of my phone 02:21:35 SpaceCoaster GoRK: but the JTAG is good for resetting, without reaching round the back. 02:21:50 GoRK that and working on blob or alternate bootloaders 02:21:55 GoRK or any kernel work really 02:22:06 as2 Not fun Gork, but as long as its rezable. 02:22:09 GoRK plus it is faster than stupid serial 02:22:21 SpaceCoaster Did you order yours from the UK 02:22:57 SpaceCoaster Faster, mine (a homebuild) goes like a slug! 02:23:10 GoRK no AlHaz had one he was selling. Aleph1 said there's more on the way but not for a couple weeks at least 02:23:14 as2 Does inferno come with an assembler of any sort? 02:23:28 GoRK but i got the same one shown in the photos 02:23:45 as2 JTAG interfaces can be built at home with not much trouble. 02:24:03 as2 I dont know if mine is compatable with this project. 02:24:16 SpaceCoaster Mine is from bits from RadioShack, looks crappy but works. 02:24:24 as2 But altering the pin connections wont be hard. 02:24:52 as2 Provided your LPT port is pristene. 02:25:01 as2 Mine isnt, I had to buy a LPT card. 02:25:05 wedge2 imposter! 02:25:06 wedge2 oh. 02:25:10 wedge2 evenin fellaz. 02:25:34 as2 Cloning wedge ;] 02:25:41 wedge2 heh. 02:25:50 wedge2 are you as_ ? :) 02:26:04 as2 Err. Depends what hes done. 02:26:17 wedge2 heheehhe. 02:26:33 wedge2 just hopin for an update on the wvlan_cs issue... 02:26:34 as2 Yes, I'm as_ ;] 02:26:41 wedge2 i'm havin zero luck here. 02:26:43 wvlan is http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/tec/funklan/info1/funk/wvlan-vortrag-20010207.html or http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/linux/2000-November/000584.html or http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2001-April/005869.html 02:26:43 as2 wvlan? 02:26:50 wedge2 uh. 02:27:03 wedge2 orinoco 02:27:07 orinoco is probably http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.html#Orinoco 02:27:07 wedge2 orinoco? 02:27:17 wedge2 man. 02:27:19 as2 Mmm, must be confusing me with someone else. 02:27:19 wedge2 that sucks :) 02:27:25 wedge2 nah. 02:27:30 wedge2 there are some cats here working on the same problem i am. 02:27:42 as2 Ahh, fair enough. 02:31:37 wedge2 argh. 02:31:44 wedge2 the dog the bot reports.. the one that has semi-useful info 02:31:46 wedge2 talks about iwconfig 02:31:50 wedge2 which i can't get to build under teh cross compiler 02:32:06 wedge2 not even if i pray to buddha, allah, or my great grandmother from the isle of lesbos. 02:33:34 Error403 ok 02:33:40 Error403 the 12V are alive 02:33:44 wedge2 heheheehh 02:33:46 wedge2 dude 02:33:47 wedge2 just to make sure 02:33:51 wedge2 you don't wanna kill yer tuxscreen 02:34:00 wedge2 touch 'the two wires to your tongue first to make sure it's cool. 02:34:05 wedge2 cuz if you've got too much amperage, you could kill it. 02:34:06 wedge2 seriously. 02:34:17 as2 No m8, amperage cant kill it. 02:34:27 wedge2 whispers to as2, "shhhhhhhh!" 02:34:35 SpaceCoaster I used a car battery, I think it takes what it needs 02:34:42 wedge2 heheheh. 02:34:43 as2 HAha. 02:34:48 wedge2 yeah. car battery is 12v 02:34:51 Error403 :) 02:34:53 Error403 most are 02:34:55 Error403 new ones arn't 02:35:00 Error403 new ones are 24v 02:35:00 SpaceCoaster really? 02:35:09 SpaceCoaster whoosh 02:35:11 wedge2 shit. i wonder what my car battery is. 02:35:13 wedge2 it's german and big. 02:35:19 wedge2 SpaceCoaster! 02:35:20 as2 Probably 12v. 02:35:22 wedge2 You takin names and kickin ass? 02:35:23 Error403 ok 02:35:29 wedge2 or.. 02:35:29 wedge2 er.. 02:35:30 Error403 time to unlock gents 02:35:31 wedge2 kickin names and takin ass? 02:35:35 wedge2 go for it, error403! 02:35:40 Error403 opps 02:35:43 wedge2 heh. 02:35:49 wedge2 smoke? 02:35:54 Error403 hold on 02:35:58 SpaceCoaster wedge2: what do you mean? 02:36:04 as2 Can JTAG recover the phone if you mess up the deprotection? 02:36:15 Error403 I don't think I know which is ground and which is positive. I switch the cables around a bit at the transformer 02:36:21 wedge2 what do i mean? 02:36:27 as2 Err, transformer? 02:36:30 wedge2 as2: if you fry it, it's screwed. 02:36:31 as2 It is DC right? 02:36:33 Error403 yes 02:36:38 as2 Be sure. 02:36:45 wedge2 zatly. 02:36:49 as2 You have an LED and a resistor big enough? 02:37:00 as2 Or a diode and a 12v lamp? 02:37:00 wedge2 Error403: give it the tongue test. 02:37:07 wedge2 me, i'm kinda a whimp. didn't want to shock my tongue. 02:37:10 Error403 Output: 12V 30VA 02:37:14 wedge2 so i put the ground in my mouth, and the positive in my bum. 02:37:18 as2 You have a tongue fixation wedge. 02:37:25 wedge2 heh. 02:37:53 Error403 actually 02:37:55 wedge2 fellaz. i just said the most evil thing i've said in my entire life. 02:37:57 Error403 I don't think this is DC 02:37:58 Error403 :} 02:38:09 wedge2 my friend asked me how my other friend and his wife were doing. 02:38:10 as2 Then that would be a bad thing. 02:38:55 wedge2 my friend asked me about this other friend of ours... who married this girl i introduced him to.... 02:39:11 as2 I wonder if you mess up the deprotection what fries. 02:39:25 as2 Becuase if you mess up the boot rom area, that should be fixable. 02:40:11 wedge2 very sweet girl, but she happened to have been born with one arm. 02:40:30 wedge2 i said ' oh. they're great. she's well. her arm grew back. nah. just kidding.' 02:40:31 as2 Most people are born with one arm. 02:40:48 as2 Most people are also born with another one. 02:40:52 wedge2 yeah. 02:40:59 wedge2 a spare. 02:41:04 wedge2 i just couldn't believe i said it. 02:41:07 wedge2 such a foul horrible thing. 02:41:10 wedge2 and to make it worse, i laughed. 02:41:18 as2 Wash your mouth out with brine. 02:41:43 as2 Then wash your brain out with brine, letting us know if you survive. 02:41:55 as2 a thought occurs. 02:42:04 as2 After you post me any tuxscreens you may have. 02:42:09 wedge2 hehehehehehehhe. 02:42:10 wedge2 dude... 02:42:15 wedge2 are we all serious tuxscreen junkies here, or what? 02:42:19 wedge2 had a dream about his. 02:42:26 wedge2 i coated mine with peanut butter and rubbed my nipples with it. 02:42:36 as2 I dont have one yet, seding the money tomorrow with some luck. 02:42:40 wedge2 in my dream... spacecoaster was there.. 02:42:46 wedge2 he kept saying 'dude... i got the wvlan_cs driver working' 02:42:57 wedge2 and i wanted to wake up, and get my 802.11 card working, but i couldn't! 02:43:00 Error403 ok now 02:43:08 Error403 yes, that adapter was AC... now I have a true DC one 02:43:11 wedge2 then i woke up... and .. . no SpaceCoaster.. and the realization hit me. 02:43:16 wedge2 my linksys card still wasn't working. 02:43:18 SpaceCoaster wedge2: nah 02:43:18 wedge2 i sobbed for 3 days. 02:43:21 as2 I coded an ARM3 processor for about 7 years. Getting a tuxscreen is my way of getting a cheep strongarm platform to code the hell out of. 02:43:21 Error403 300 Ma 02:43:24 SpaceCoaster poor kid 02:43:28 wedge2 sobs. 02:43:41 wedge2 as2: very cool 02:43:44 Error403 is 300 mA okay? 02:43:45 wedge2 muito legao 02:43:53 SpaceCoaster Better than 300Ma 02:43:55 wedge2 error403: you got an RC car? 02:44:01 Error403 hmm 02:44:02 Error403 yes 02:44:04 as2 300ma is easily ok, but make sure you know which is positive and the supply is ok. 02:44:09 wedge2 take 8 AA batteries? 02:44:10 wedge2 just use that. 02:44:14 Error403 no :) 02:44:14 wedge2 or you can go to radio shack 02:44:18 wedge2 they sell a harness for 8 double As 02:44:27 Error403 I want to do this now, not tomorrow :) 02:44:31 Error403 I will use this 02:44:33 SpaceCoaster don't start the radio shack trip again 02:44:41 as2 That may fry it Error. 02:44:49 Error403 300 mA? 02:44:58 as2 Its an expensive mistake if it goes wrong. 02:45:04 Error403 *sigh* 02:45:08 Error403 let me go get the car 02:45:09 Error403 brb 02:45:59 SpaceCoaster this is more exciting than frying your own tuxscreen 02:46:06 as2 Haha. 02:46:24 as2 Watching someone else do it knowing its not your money going up in smoke. ;] 02:46:57 Error403 not gonna happen 02:47:06 SpaceCoaster I soldered the wires onto mine cause I was worried about shorting stuff out. 02:47:11 Error403 there are two grumpy sleeping parents between me and that car 02:47:23 as2 If you do it carefully and well, theres no reason you should fry it. 02:47:45 Error403 hrm 02:47:51 Error403 I'm nervous 02:47:52 as2 Soldering the wires in and then taping it up sounds like a good way to avoid doing bad things. 02:48:10 as2 Use 2 diffierent coloured wires so you know which is positive. 02:48:34 as2 If your soldering it ok that is. 02:48:44 SpaceCoaster the pins are easy to solder onto, i ran the wires at 45 degrees so they lined up with some tracks, gave more room 02:49:02 wedge2 HEHEH 02:49:06 Error403 how can I tell which one is positive? The only difference between the two is that one of the wires has that small technical writing on it 02:49:10 wedge2 spaceCoaster.. dude.. yer pretty frickin funny. 02:49:12 Error403 I know that this is DC tho 02:49:27 as2 Do you have any diodes or LEDS? 02:49:53 Error403 no 02:50:10 as2 If its a normal DC power supply, the central lead is normally positive, and the wire has a line on it. But do not take me word for it. 02:50:19 as2 Find some way to verify it yourself. 02:50:36 Error403 I'll try to find a LED, but most LEDs only do about 9V max 02:50:44 as2 Much less. 02:50:55 as2 Like 2.5volt max. 02:50:58 Error403 yeah 02:51:04 as2 You need a fairly hefty resistor. 02:51:35 Error403 I'll tear off the connector that was on it to find out which one was positive. There is a diagram on the transformer for the currents 02:51:37 as2 Of the order of 1k. 02:52:11 as2 Dont ruin the power supply for this one operation ;/ 02:52:22 Error403 I'm not touching the power supply 02:52:36 as2 If you rip off the connector you will be. 02:52:59 Error403 not on that end silly :) 02:53:01 as2 Take power from the connector itself if you have to, by connecting wires. 02:53:42 as2 I normally bend one wire over double for positive and insert that in the middle, then strip a longer length and tie it round. 02:54:24 Error403 huh? 02:54:58 as2 Thats the connector shape for battery raplacement supplies here. 02:55:54 as2 You have a tubular connector, with two axial connectors one outside one inside. 02:56:15 Error403 yes 02:59:53 Error403 I'm not going to risk it and I'm going to wait till tomorrow 03:00:04 SpaceCoaster see ya 03:00:52 as2 That is probably for the best. 03:00:58 Error403 yup 03:01:00 Error403 night all 03:01:11 as2 Gnite. 03:20:57 BZFlag pppd patches for buildroot anyone? I hear SpaceCoaster has them running. 03:26:09 GoRK /dcc send BZFlag dspdriver.np1-tux-psych_out.diff.bz2 03:27:26 Russ cc: russ 03:27:59 GoRK hehe 03:28:35 GoRK perl tries really hard to run compiled against uClibc... it works on x86 03:30:27 BZFlag that would be dspdriver-2.4.9-ac1-rmk1-np1-tux2-psych_out.diff.bz2 ;-) 03:31:12 GoRK how about just dsp-snake_oil.bz3 03:31:26 GoRK i have some land in canada for sale... 03:31:40 Russ it shouldn't be too hard, its mostly learning the kernel producer/consumer stuff 03:34:10 GoRK it's fine land 03:36:17 GoRK mmmmmutex 03:36:39 GoRK what a fun word: mutex 03:36:42 Russ ring bufferr...... 03:36:53 Russ going to implement writes first 03:38:22 GoRK see if we can't get that big red LED to light up 03:39:35 Russ right 03:39:43 GoRK ooh google now has tabs to switch your query between web/images/groups/directory ... whoever thought of that was about 6 months too late. heh. guess they had to figure out how to make money off of searching usenet 03:40:23 wedge2 Doh. 03:45:40 GoRK ok test #3123123 of perl/uClibc/arm 03:54:56 wedge2 heh. 03:55:00 wedge2 i interviewed at google about 2 years ago 03:55:07 wedge2 they're right down the street from me. 03:56:50 BZFlag heh, the oldest usenet post I can find from myself is 1996/12/30 03:57:20 wedge2 i found a post from myself to a netbsd mac 68k group from like 95 03:57:24 BZFlag got a job offer from google, but turned em down. 03:57:31 wedge2 right on. 03:57:46 wedge2 any news on the wvlan_cs driver/ 03:57:59 wedge2 the ibot reported a web page that pointed to something about getting it working with iwconfig 03:58:05 wedge2 but i can't get iwcommon to build so that i can build iwconfig 03:58:07 wedge2 a binary would be nice. 03:58:16 wedge2 or any bit of info like 'you can get it working without iwconfig...' 03:58:22 GoRK i found one of my posts from 6/11/1995 03:58:35 wedge2 currently, SpaceCoaster, myself, my friend Black, and my friend Bryan all have the same problem with the wvlan_cs driver 03:58:39 wedge2 it dumps a hex stack and croaks. 03:58:41 BZFlag they have some great ideas but have not addressed scalability nearly as well as they could. I could build and engine on 1/10 the hardware that would search 20-20% faster and harvest 20-30% faster. 03:58:41 wedge2 the cardmgr dies too 03:58:44 wedge2 anyone have any clues? 03:58:59 wedge2 BZFlag: i've seen their server farms. 03:59:01 wedge2 they're insane. 03:59:05 wedge2 80 peecees per chatsworth rack. 03:59:14 wedge2 4 motherboards and 4 IDE drivers per 2u shelf. 03:59:16 wedge2 insane. 03:59:23 wedge2 the racks literally bow in the middle all the way down 03:59:27 wedge2 like you could chop 'em in half with your hand. 03:59:38 BZFlag I like the hw they have choosen, it's the engine that needs work. 03:59:38 wedge2 the top shelf is 4 kickstart servers. 03:59:44 wedge2 i hate the hw :) 03:59:48 wedge2 the engine seems ok.... 04:00:00 wedge2 btw.. i turned down an offer from Excite in 96 04:00:03 BZFlag the hw needs to sufice, and to be cheap. 04:00:03 wedge2 at 7 bucks a share 04:00:08 wedge2 before they went to 125 and split 04:00:12 wedge2 PLUS.. i could've walked to work every day 04:00:16 wedge2 their office was across the street from me then. 04:00:21 wedge2 talk about kicking yourself. 04:00:26 BZFlag likes short commutes. 04:00:31 wedge2 hell yeah. 04:00:34 wedge2 man.... that was a mistake. 04:00:48 wedge2 then again, i turned down exodus at 40 employees... that would've been a few splits ago or something. 04:00:53 andersee knows all about BZFlag's search engine plans ... :) 04:01:05 BZFlag I'm still searching part time for some VC to build a better search engine. I know it can be done. 04:01:13 wedge2 so no news on the wvlan_cs and none of you have binaries for iwconfig or at least a built iwcommon.o? 04:01:34 BZFlag I did most of it while working for WordCruncher/Spyhop/Logio/PWeb/whoknowswhatnow. 04:03:17 prpplague if i didn't have a really great you guys would make me sick... 04:03:27 wedge2 a really great? 04:03:32 prpplague job 04:05:09 prpplague wedge2: so have gone completely nuts over you wavelan card yet? 04:05:22 wedge2 prppeopleeater: yep 04:05:29 wedge2 stark staring mad. 04:05:32 prpplague lol 04:05:55 BZFlag heh, hey andersee. those were the days, huh? ;-) 04:06:00 wedge2 i worked on it for about 6 hours yesterday, then proceeded to abandon it and go and beat my wife. 04:06:17 andersee indeed 04:06:26 wedge2 the days of getting your wvlan_cs driver workign? :) 04:07:47 wedge2 if i weren't so lame, i'd just settle for doing ppp over the serial port... 04:08:00 prpplague anyone played around with the dlink 802.11b access point? 04:08:08 wedge2 not i.. 04:08:13 wedge2 i'm using all linksys currently. 04:08:49 prpplague the one i have here has a sa-1100 processor 04:11:15 wedge2 cool. 04:11:33 andersee prpplague: and 512 bytes flash... 04:11:44 wedge2 heh. 04:12:12 andersee maybe a bit more... ;) 04:13:26 prpplague andersee: they are doing routing and 802.11 in 512bytes? 04:13:59 prpplague andersee: or do they use a rom? 04:14:13 andersee I think they actually have 512k flash on them... 04:14:22 andersee dunno for sure 04:14:49 prpplague what about the others like the netopia and caymans? 04:15:00 GoRK you'd think they'd spring the extra $2 for 1MB 04:20:20 andersee Youd think... 04:20:21 prpplague hmm, 2*50000 acesspoints = management trip to bahamas 04:25:51 andersee 'course they has a $50 rebate on those things till 30 September... 04:26:58 prpplague what ever happened to the wyse 4000 series, wasn't it suppose to be based on strongarm? i can't find any mention of it on any of their websites 04:29:37 wedge2 in all seriousness... 04:29:42 wedge2 as mind you friends, i am a SERIOUS MAN... 04:29:43 wedge2 i believe.. 04:29:45 wedge2 i strongly believe.. 04:29:48 wedge2 without shadow of a doubt.... 04:30:01 wedge2 i could potentially.. 04:30:05 wedge2 moreso... PROBABLY... 04:30:07 wedge2 use another cocktail. 04:31:54 prpplague night all 04:41:51 wedge2 so.... anyone got iwcommon built with a cross compiler? :) 04:41:59 wedge2 gotsta throw the question out periodically :) 05:30:14 GoRK hmm having tremendous problems with doubles 05:32:12 GoRK check this: 05:32:38 GoRK Breakpoint 2, isnan (x=2591024652.5) at isnan.c:130 05:32:39 GoRK 130 u.d = x; 05:33:04 GoRK (gdb) print x 05:33:05 GoRK $2 = 2591024652.5 05:33:08 GoRK (gdb) print u.d 05:33:09 GoRK $3 = -1.9980628548655659 05:36:45 GoRK WTF!!!!!! 05:38:31 GoRK union 05:38:31 GoRK { 05:38:31 GoRK double d; 05:38:31 GoRK unsigned short s[4]; 05:38:31 GoRK unsigned int i[2]; 05:38:32 GoRK } u; 05:38:43 GoRK it is totally assigning a double to a double and barfing 05:40:00 GoRK (gdb) whatis u.d 05:40:00 GoRK type = double 05:40:00 GoRK (gdb) whatis x 05:40:01 GoRK type = double 05:40:14 GoRK tears his hair totally and completely out 05:44:08 GoRK what is that union thing? 05:46:10 GoRK isn't that like a single variable addressible via multiple types? 05:53:19 GoRK hmm herb schildt says i was pretty much correct 05:53:38 GoRK wonders about arm's floating point emulation 05:54:28 BZFlag more likely you're compiled with -O2 etc and seeing the wrong data cause it's cached in a register etc. 05:54:37 BZFlag compile with -O0 and see what happens 05:54:45 GoRK nope no -O flags 05:55:03 GoRK well wait 05:55:06 BZFlag print &x 05:55:09 GoRK maybe the libs compiled with -o 05:55:20 BZFlag print &u.d 05:55:38 GoRK (gdb) print &x 05:55:39 GoRK Address requested for identifier "x" which is in a register. 05:55:48 BZFlag gotcha 05:56:00 GoRK is that a result of -O stuffs? 05:56:11 GoRK hmm 05:56:17 BZFlag or perhaps "int register x;" 05:56:30 GoRK i am in too deep 05:57:52 GoRK i dont know what i am doing :P 05:58:38 GoRK well i know it just doesnt make any sense 05:59:48 GoRK wait maybe i got something 06:05:24 GoRK ls 06:05:26 GoRK doh 06:08:56 GoRK still this doesnt make any sense 06:11:14 GoRK wait it is beginning to make sense 06:12:28 GoRK what does -Os do? 06:16:03 GoRK i think you got it right on the nose bz 06:16:17 GoRK i dont know very much about debugging :) can you tell? 07:07:46 GoRK are you here? 07:12:09 BZFlag Optimize for size. `-Os' enables all `-O2' optimizations that do 07:12:10 BZFlag not typically increase code size. It also performs further 07:12:10 BZFlag optimizations designed to reduce code size. 07:12:30 GoRK i discovered that. i found the bug also 07:13:03 GoRK these unions are flip flopped for some reason on arm 07:13:25 GoRK union 07:13:25 GoRK { 07:13:25 GoRK double y; 07:13:26 GoRK unsigned short sh[4]; 07:13:27 GoRK } u; 07:13:43 GoRK 267 u.y = 2; 07:13:54 GoRK $8 = {y = 2, sh = {0, 16384, 0, 0} 07:13:58 GoRK that's arm 07:14:16 GoRK $9 = {y = 2, sh = {0, 0, 0, 16384} 07:14:18 GoRK that's x86 07:14:31 GoRK is that right? is that an alignment problem? 07:19:52 BZFlag could be either. sizeof(u) on both? 07:20:40 GoRK 8 on both 07:21:12 BZFlag hmmm &u == &u.y == &u.sh on both? 07:21:46 BZFlag hmm, perhaps: &u == &u.y == &u.sh[0] on both? 07:22:34 GoRK x86: (gdb) print &u==&u.y==&u.sh[0] 07:22:35 GoRK $14 = 0 07:22:49 GoRK same on arm 07:23:17 BZFlag odd indeed. 07:23:38 boris i should get my tux today 07:23:41 GoRK is it some issue with the float emulator? 07:23:58 BZFlag I doubt it. 07:24:43 GoRK this libm is sort of brain damaged 07:25:34 BZFlag well, I'm not sure that the double storage has to be the same on both anyway. 07:26:58 GoRK is it the same on arm and alpha? there are some #ifdef DEC's in here 07:27:18 GoRK this is uClibc/libm/double/float.c i'm looking at btw 07:28:00 GoRK q 07:28:44 BZFlag float should be the same, not sure about double. 07:29:19 GoRK wait im stupid 07:29:24 GoRK floor.c 07:31:14 BZFlag well, must sleep. cya 12:18:42 mallum hi cworth 12:18:49 boris crap 12:19:15 boris i missed my tuxscreen delivery again 12:19:30 mallum you want a game of craps ? 12:20:01 boris ok what stuff will i need to order to get it working as a phone and stuff over here 12:20:42 mallum in UK? 12:21:15 boris yep 12:21:33 mallum ok goto maplins and get a power converter adaptor thingy 12:21:42 boris k, anything else? 12:21:57 mallum its plugs into a UK socket and gives you a US socket - costs about 20 quid 12:21:59 boris what should i order for the whole unlocking thing 12:22:05 mallum are you flashing it yourself ? 12:22:13 boris yeah 12:23:47 mallum when your at maplins grap a 12v battery holder and eight batterys for that 12:23:55 mallum Thats what I used to flash mine 12:24:10 mallum I'd also maybe get a friend to help when you do the flashing 12:24:26 boris k 12:25:06 cworth mallum: hello 12:25:39 mallum cworth: hi, any joy with rxvt ? 12:25:49 cworth me, I had some an old 12V wall-wart lying around and I just clipped off the connector. 12:26:14 cworth mallum: yup. works like a champ now. I'll try to push something out this morning. 12:26:50 cworth (releasing is always hard because I have to stop myself before I get half-way through the next 2 or 3 features I want to add). 12:27:11 boris what are you adding? 12:28:16 mallum should get round to building rxvt-aa for laptop 12:57:50 CosmicPenguin morning all 12:58:47 boris hey CosmicPenguin 12:58:59 boris missed the delivery today =/ 12:59:43 CosmicPenguin boris: Doh! I 13:00:38 boris i'll go pick itup tomorrow 13:12:15 pattieja is away: I'm busy 13:12:35 pattieja is back (gone 00:00:02) 13:14:09 pattieja morning CosmicPenguin 13:34:24 CosmicPenguin pattieja: Good morning 13:34:56 CosmicPenguin pattieja: Did you get your dreamcast booting linux yet? :-) 13:59:00 drX Hi there ...whats this Channel about ? 14:01:42 mallum phones 14:02:00 mallum pattieja: my dc boots linux, X on my TV 14:02:31 drX How ??? 14:08:06 CosmicPenguin mallum: If you get XMame running on your TV, make sure you take some photos 14:11:08 pattieja mallum: cool 14:12:37 mallum I havn't tried XMame , I think it was on the dist I used by no ROMs 14:12:51 mallum I ran Doom on it, but it was incredably sloe 14:12:54 mallum slow 14:13:21 mallum I wanna get the broadband adaptor for it 14:18:23 blzbubba cosmicpenguin you can use xmame with a tv out video card... i have done it 14:18:32 blzbubba or are you talking about running linux on the tv itself 14:21:04 CosmicPenguin blzbubba: But this is with a dreamcast.... 14:22:13 blzbubba ah, i see 14:51:05 RedBaron Hello everyone 16:03:03 Error403 okay 16:03:08 Error403 I have my adapter (again) 16:03:16 Error403 now I know which is positive and which is ground 16:03:23 Error403 so... time to get started :) 16:13:57 Error403 eeh 16:14:06 Error403 it is just rebooting when I type P/u 0 16:14:10 Error403 with power applied 16:14:38 Error403 help?... 16:15:19 Error403 *sigh* 16:17:15 RedBaron Sorry. I cant help yah. I'm still waiting on my tuxscreen 16:21:42 Error403 tim 16:21:44 Error403 hi 16:22:01 Error403 My TuxScreen reboots when I apply power and do P/u 0 16:24:28 Error403 ideas? 16:31:04 BZFlag when does it reboot? 16:31:13 BZFlag Can you apply power and do a P/m ? 16:31:29 BZFlag and are you doing InfernoRemote? 16:41:28 BZFlag ah well. headed into the office. 17:21:24 AlHazWork prpplague: was i right about rxvt? 17:22:00 prpplague AlHazWork: about 30 secs after your post, i had to leave and haven't had a chance to get back to the problem 17:22:22 prpplague AlHazWork: on the agenda for the next hour or so... 17:23:15 AlHazWork also possible that tty's just aren't accessable by normal users 17:24:00 AlHazWork this often happens due to a popular misconception about the way tar handles file permissions 17:24:15 AlHazWork that being "tar preserves permissions" 17:24:28 AlHazWork in reality, tar actually imposes what someone decided were "sane permissions" 17:24:36 AlHazWork unless you use -p 17:25:05 AlHazWork tar will invariably royally bugger up /dev and /var if you tar a whole root fs 17:25:49 prpplague AlHazWork: ya i found that out working on the ltsp.org stuff 17:26:11 RedBaron Dont you have to specificaly tell tar to copy the device file and not the contents of the device? So in the case /dev/kmem ... bad things happen. 17:26:32 AlHazWork RedBaron: Never had that happen, but the argument to remain on one filesystem might cover that 17:27:06 RedBaron AlHazWork: Hmm..Maybe. I dont recall. Havent tried to tar up /dev in a long long time. :) 17:28:58 prpplague is away: back in a few 17:46:40 prpplague is back (gone 00:17:42) 18:32:47 Error403 andersee: I got another 12V adapter and I know which is positive this time, but it just reboots my TuxScreen :} 19:25:46 andersee Error403: yipe 20:03:56 Error403 YES! 20:03:59 Error403 it is erased! 20:04:01 Error403 nahahah 20:04:46 Error403 well, unprotected 20:05:03 prpplague celebrates Error403 success with a round of applause... 20:07:05 Error403 hold on a sec 20:07:12 Error403 prpplague: do you have a tuxscreen yet? 20:09:43 mallum woooohooo ! well done Error403 20:09:49 Error403 okay 20:09:51 Error403 question 20:09:52 Error403 stop 20:09:54 Error403 don't leave me 20:10:07 Error403 it says download the latest blob 20:10:15 Error403 and it is named blob-2.0.4 20:10:28 Error403 should I rename it to blob so it follows with the directions? 20:11:30 prpplague Error403: ya got mine last friday but haven't had time to do anything with it yet 20:19:08 AlHazWork Error403: I think the name doesn't make a difference 20:19:13 AlHazWork 'ceot as per the syntax of the commands 20:24:43 Error403 ok 20:27:08 Error403 sh*t 20:27:26 Error403 making a backup over a 9600 baud connection will take forever 20:27:32 Error403 smacks his forehead 20:27:42 AlHazWork it's only 4 megs 20:29:04 Error403 it will take about 30 minutes 20:29:53 Error403 takes 7 minutes for 1 meg 20:29:59 Error403 on a 33.6 20:30:00 Error403 :} 20:30:06 Error403 so actually 20:30:10 Error403 I'm looking at an hour 20:30:53 AlHazWork I figured, why bother backing up inferno, if i wanna run inferno i can run it as a vm . . . 20:31:06 Error403 :) 20:31:11 Error403 I know 20:31:16 Error403 this is just protection 20:33:36 Photon Error403: So why wasn't it letting you unlock it before? 20:34:20 Error403 Because you have to put the power on AFTER it says: "Waiting for 12V". It crashes if you put it on before that message (like it says to do on the webpage) 20:35:17 Photon Ooooh, I didn't get that either.. that' sgood to know 20:37:47 CosmicPenguin Error403: Thats wierd, mine didn't crash.... 20:39:35 Error403 so this has 16megs ram? 20:39:49 Error403 I have a 32meg SODIMM ram downstairs I'm not using in a laptop 20:39:56 Error403 mabey I'll plug that thing in, see if it works 20:44:19 prpplague is it me or it the price on this thing just plain nuts - http://www.brainium.com/content.asp?pid=3000&param=DM700 20:47:28 AlHazWork Depends how many units come in a "group pack" 20:48:50 AlHazWork it reminds me of something i experienced in jr. high 20:49:05 AlHazWork someone high up decided that the math classes should have calculators 20:49:23 AlHazWork someone higher up decided that the school should provide them, they should fit certian criteria, etc 20:50:00 AlHazWork So we ended up with these 4 function large-display large-button ABS resin encased two pound Ti calculators 20:50:08 prpplague lol 20:50:09 AlHazWork that cost the school $80some each 20:50:31 AlHazWork and we ended up not using them much 20:50:39 scanline Looks like the grouppack has only 4 of them 20:50:48 scanline For $1000 you could get a real laptop 20:50:59 AlHazWork 'cause it turned out they were so heavy that when you dropped one from off the top of a desk onto the hard floor, the display would shatter 20:51:14 AlHazWork so after a couple weeks there weren't enough working for everyone to have one 20:52:09 AlHazWork it was stupid, for the cost of 10 of the things (and they bought hundreds) they could have bought misprint promotional solar powered credit card sized calculators by the pound from surplus dealers 20:52:16 CosmicPenguin prpplague: Thats a horrible price.... 20:52:21 prpplague AlHazWork: thats a good one..., my school spent 6 times as much on the the agg department than the science and match combined! 20:52:39 prpplague s/match/math ! 20:53:08 AlHazWork prpplague: How these things get sold to schools is this: Schools frequently, and unpredictably, recieve grant monies with tons of strings attached 20:53:34 AlHazWork someone or some govt. will dump $50k on a school on condition that they spend it on educational technology, or whatever 20:53:38 CosmicPenguin but it does have TV out, an integraged network card and a 64 key keyboard 20:53:50 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: and integrated wireless lan 20:54:18 AlHazWork What's better, often these grants have expiration dates 20:54:20 prpplague AlHazWork: negative on the wireless lan, thats a addon pcmcia 20:54:45 AlHazWork and often it takes so long to get the paperwork done that they have very little time to decide what to do with the money 20:55:09 CosmicPenguin None the less, if I was an IT school admin, I would probably think about buying some... I like that roll-a-lab thingy too..... 20:55:36 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: Well, there's a good chance that it's durable 20:55:42 AlHazWork which is good to have in a school 20:55:44 mallum ANyone good with xlib here ? 20:56:14 CosmicPenguin I'll bet M$ gives similar products away like candy.... 20:56:20 AlHazWork CosmicPenguin: But you have knowledge, talent, and initiative, which disqualifies you from working for public education in most districts 20:57:14 AlHazWork I used to work for a little company in provo that sold tattletale dialers to schools 20:57:25 CosmicPenguin AlHaz: Unless of course, I can be comfortable with a 10K salary.... 20:57:25 AlHazWork i was their traveling troubleshooter 20:57:28 prpplague AlHazWork: lol, seems like that has become the rule for public education 20:57:45 AlHazWork I have visited literally hundreds of public schools in about a dozen states 20:57:55 AlHazWork all over the nation 20:58:15 AlHazWork I've visited exactly four schools that had competent IT people 20:58:22 AlHazWork wait, five 20:58:38 AlHazWork but the fifth one was losing the guy after having him there for only a couple weeks, so they don't count 20:58:51 AlHazWork The weird part was, three of them were small town operations 20:59:15 AlHazWork Gloucester VA, Cedar UT, and Ovid/Elsie Michigan 21:00:10 AlHazWork the fourth one stuck out like a sore thumb at the otherwise understaffed and underexperienced st. paul school district 21:00:36 AlHazWork it was eerie. Most of those schools they weren't sure what a computer *was 21:00:54 AlHazWork I walk into this one school, and they've got a linux box running website, email, etc 21:01:07 CosmicPenguin Branium lists M$ as an embedded partner... I would suppose that mean's they wouldn't be too excited to help somebody port that bad boy to linux, eh? 21:01:16 AlHazWork I was only there a few minutes, they didn't actually need my help with anything 21:01:34 Error403 hmm 21:01:41 Error403 yes, good schools usually have shitty IE 21:01:42 Error403 IT* 21:01:48 AlHazWork and this was back in '97 before linux was hip 21:01:49 Error403 for high school at least 21:02:01 prpplague will see, i've got there gurus on the phone as i type... 21:02:27 Error403 AlHaz: I'm lucky, I started using Linux before it was hip too :) 21:02:44 mallum I only started using Linux once it was hip and trendy 21:02:50 AlHazWork Nice techs, even helped me break into my rental car when it turned out I'd locked myself out of it 21:03:08 mallum ;) 21:09:20 prpplague this one looks interesting - http://www.ceiva.com/public/ceiva_store_main_page.jsp 21:09:46 prpplague according to arm.com this unit has 16meg ram and 32m flash 21:09:50 prpplague sa-1100 21:11:34 Russ souds like the lart 21:11:46 Russ er, but with more flash and less ram 21:11:56 Russ why would you want that much flash with only 16m ram? 21:12:34 prpplague Russ: all its suppose to be is a device to display photos, 21:13:07 prpplague Russ: one a day it connects to the net and get updated photos from you special e-mail box 21:13:24 Russ ah 21:13:48 prpplague Russ: looks like there is one of those "subscription" clauses too... 21:19:34 Error403 yay 21:19:43 Error403 flash backup done *microwave ding* 21:25:01 Error403 ok 21:25:16 Error403 so once I flashed the blob in, then do I restart it? 21:29:06 Error403 it's dead 21:29:09 Error403 great 21:30:50 Error403 hellooooooooo? 21:31:00 Error403 can someone please help me? 21:31:23 Russ hmm? 21:31:31 Error403 actually 21:31:33 Russ you probably want to set the baud to 9600 21:31:36 Error403 I don't think it's dead 21:31:44 Error403 serial terminal != inferno thingy 21:31:46 Error403 :) 21:32:00 Russ right 21:32:03 Error403 k 21:36:52 Error403 minicom is trying to initialize it 21:36:57 Error403 but it (obviously) can't 21:37:07 Error403 How do I tell it that this isn't a modem :) 21:39:12 Russ minicom -os 21:39:16 Error403 k 21:39:36 Russ no flow control 21:41:32 Error403 it still says "Offline" in the bottom right 21:41:39 Error403 no flow control, 9600 8n1 21:41:40 mallum Russ: does udhcp work over multiple interfaces ? 21:41:47 Russ Error403: thats ok 21:41:53 Russ Error403: hit reset on the tuxscreen 21:41:55 Error403 k 21:42:02 Error403 ahhhhh 21:42:04 Error403 there :) 21:42:11 Russ mallum: client or server? 21:42:18 mallum Russ: server 21:42:20 Error403 I suppose I want to stop "autoboot" ? :) 21:42:27 Russ mallum: right now, it just does one interface 21:42:36 Russ mallum: so you'd just start another process 21:42:55 mallum Russ: ok, thats simple enough 21:43:15 mallum Russ: I think I'll give it a go then 21:44:10 Russ do you need the interfaces to share a lease pool? what is the setup? 21:49:01 Error403 almost there 21:49:05 Error403 comeon baby :) 21:50:21 Error403 yay! 21:50:25 Error403 First linux boot 21:50:27 Error403 w00t 21:51:20 Error403 wow 21:51:27 Error403 1.8megs free 21:51:28 Error403 not bad 21:51:34 Error403 well 21:51:36 Error403 about 1 meg 21:51:36 Russ cool 21:52:03 scanline is away: class 22:01:22 prpplague Error403: ahh the sweet smell of success, or is that your power supply? 22:01:35 Error403 succes ;) 22:01:40 Error403 +s 22:01:56 boris hey all 22:01:59 Error403 hi 22:05:36 Error403 giggles... the company I orded my monitor from billed by debit card, credited it, and have not rebilled it 22:05:52 Error403 Did I just get a $283 monitor for free? 22:12:28 AlHazWork I bought an mp3 player from some web shop once that was just, well, it had to go back 22:12:35 AlHazWork they swore they'd refund my money 22:12:49 AlHazWork a month later, i was calling them three times a day to ask when I was going to get my money back 22:12:55 Error403 eeek 22:12:56 AlHazWork had to do that for a week and a half 22:13:08 Error403 well 22:13:13 AlHazWork So I didn't feel at all bad when they credited my card twice 22:13:19 Error403 I havn't received it yet :) 22:18:25 boris *do the "I'm getting my tuxscreen tomorrow" dance * 22:18:40 Error403 who? 22:18:42 Error403 :) 22:18:50 Error403 Me? I already got it and flashed it ;) 22:19:05 boris nah s/do/does/; 22:19:10 Error403 ahhhhhhh 22:19:13 Error403 fun 22:19:52 Error403 FYI: 300mA is okay :) 22:21:05 Error403 what is CF? 22:21:49 Error403 ohh, and is the keyboard IR port programmable? 22:22:10 boris Compact Flash 22:22:15 Error403 ahh! 22:22:16 Error403 yes! 22:22:20 Error403 I'm going to buy some of that 22:22:38 Error403 checks out the outrageous prices 22:23:46 Error403 time to order some 22:23:49 Error403 whips out the debit card 22:23:52 AlHazWork outrageous? the stuff is cheap! 22:24:04 Error403 yes, I thought it would be expensive 22:24:06 AlHazWork I paid $32 for a 64 meg cf card 22:24:36 Error403 Does it go into your PCMCIA slot? 22:24:42 Error403 in on the board? 22:24:45 Error403 err 22:24:50 Error403 s/in/on 22:25:08 AlHazWork had to get a pcmcia adapter too 22:25:32 Error403 k 22:26:02 Error403 time to draw all the cash out of my bank account (again) 22:26:36 Error403 I think I'll get the more expensive PCMCIA adapter, I don't want it breaking on me 22:27:18 Error403 wtf, since when is flash so cheap, jesus 22:27:24 AlHazWork there's more than one kind? 22:27:28 Error403 ohh yes 22:27:30 Error403 Kingston 22:27:31 Error403 :) 22:28:04 Error403 AlHaz: Do I have to get a certain kind of flash or adapter for it to work with the tuxscreen? 22:28:51 AlHazWork Nah 22:29:00 AlHazWork the cf-pcmcia adapter is almost an empty box 22:29:19 Error403 what about the card itself? 22:29:39 AlHazWork the CompactFlash spec pretty much covers it 22:29:52 AlHazWork I mean, they wanted them to be commodity memory for cameras, after all 22:30:00 Error403 WHAT?! 22:30:05 Error403 $11.40 for shipping!? 22:30:08 Error403 that's insane! 22:30:10 Error403 no way 22:30:37 AlHazWork newegg.com? 22:30:50 AlHazWork they charge separate shipping for each item, to encourage you to buy less from them, I suppose 22:31:00 Error403 no 22:31:03 Error403 some other site 22:31:08 AlHazWork *nod* 22:31:16 AlHazWork newegg.com wants $6 to ship cf cards 22:31:23 AlHazWork and another $8 to ship pcmcia adapters 22:31:42 AlHazWork sorry, $5 22:33:08 AlHazWork http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=68&manufactory=1378 and http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=81&manufactory=1433 22:33:29 AlHazWork so that's $11 to ship a card and an adapter, too 22:33:33 AlHazWork *shrug* :) 22:34:39 Error403 hmm 22:34:43 Error403 that's better 22:34:52 Error403 the other site wanted $11.40 JUST for the flash 22:34:52 Error403 :} 22:35:26 Error403 Or I could save my money to wait until Friday (pay check) and get a 256mb :) 22:35:51 Error403 I'll do that 22:36:01 AlHazWork I was pretty pleased with newegg 22:36:24 Error403 I've ordered stuff from them before, they are good 22:36:26 AlHazWork and pcmcia-cs identifies the Mr. Flash CF card as being Hitachi 22:37:20 Error403 hrm 22:37:27 Error403 I want now, not later :) 22:37:36 AlHazWork heh 22:37:58 AlHazWork with the cost of flash coming down, I wonder if my digital camera can handle 128 meg SmartMedia cards. 22:38:10 Error403 heh 22:38:29 Error403 I'm lucky I have a laptop, other wise I wouldn't be able to put anything on the flash card. 22:38:40 AlHazWork I've rarely filled up the 32 meg card, but the winter olympics are coming here, and while I have no interest in sports, I'm curious about the protests that are planned 22:38:53 AlHazWork not that I feel like olympics are worth organizing a protest near 22:39:04 AlHazWork but it sounds like something interesting to take pictures of 22:39:14 AlHazWork 'long as i don't get myself beat up / arrested / etc 22:39:21 Error403 My online statement DOES say I have $359 in my account, but there is a monitor missing out of that :} 22:39:24 Error403 heh 22:41:06 Error403 I'm going to bite the bullet and wait till Friday... patience is a virtue 22:41:42 Error403 And I have to get rid of this version of Linux ASAP... I can't code C :) 22:46:26 pattieja is away: home 23:02:57 as_ Evnin all. 23:36:54 scanline is back (gone 01:44:51) 23:38:06 andersee Looks like 2.4.9-ac18-rmk1 is now out... 23:40:28 Russ np? 23:41:43 andersee http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/release-2.4.0.shtml 23:42:01 andersee Looks like there are several more MTD updates... Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot logs, split per channel and by date, etc.