| 11:41:21 | RedBaron | Howdy everyone. |
| 11:42:34 | RedBaron | Has anyone tried making a tuxscreen portable? or looked at its power consumption to see if its possible? |
| 11:47:55 | Davincii | whats this linux on your phone thing? |
| 11:58:55 | mallum | RedBaron: I dont think anyones tried , it probably possible |
| 11:59:10 | mallum | RedBaron: but the screen would probably suck alot of juice |
| 12:38:46 | RedBaron | Yah. I havent got my phone yet, but I did look at the picture of the label on the power supply. |
| 12:39:32 | RedBaron | mallum: Its rated for 1.85A ... which is a bit. The only weird thing that I could see was that it has 3 3.3V lines. Which seems odd. |
| 13:00:12 | pattieja | is back (gone 35:02:06) |
| 13:10:08 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 13:10:53 | | que tal, RedBaron |
| 13:10:53 | RedBaron | Howdy |
| 13:11:27 | RedBaron | mue buen, y tu? |
| 13:12:41 | prpplague | buen, da nada |
| 13:49:19 | prpplague | anyone recomend a channel where the pcmcia gurus hang out? |
| 13:59:48 | mallum | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 14:00:26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum - Hi. How are things..... |
| 14:01:03 | mallum | good good |
| 14:02:39 | mallum | http://mallum.com/img/xkbd.png <-- new in progress aa xkbd |
| 14:04:20 | RedBaron | mallum: Looks pretty good. Whats that written in? |
| 14:04:55 | mallum | c and xlib |
| 14:04:58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Looking real good. |
| 14:05:02 | mallum | thx |
| 14:05:18 | RedBaron | cool. |
| 14:05:28 | Tangent | mallum : I get my ADSL installed in 3 days time :) |
| 14:05:52 | mallum | cool |
| 14:05:53 | RedBaron | mallum: So you dont mind delving into straight xlib? :) *shudders at the thought* |
| 14:06:11 | mallum | I wouldn't say I didn't mind ......... ;) |
| 14:06:17 | RedBaron | *chuckle* |
| 14:06:24 | prpplague | anyone tried xvkbd? |
| 14:06:29 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Thats where the real fun is! |
| 14:06:42 | cworth | ah, come on guys. Xlib ain't that bad! :) |
| 14:07:01 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Hmm....Fun is a malleable concept I suppose. :) |
| 14:07:47 | cworth | RedBaron: xstroke has been lots of fun: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.5/xstroke.png |
| 14:07:53 | prpplague | Xlib is like going swimming in a cold lake, the first few minutes are pretty bad, then hypothermia sets in and you really don't care anymore |
| 14:08:13 | RedBaron | prpplague: *laugh* |
| 14:08:14 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Once you start working with the bare bones code, then you will be annoyed every time a upperlevel toolkit takes away your control.... |
| 14:08:16 | mallumMeeting | xlib is pretty cool, once you get into it |
| 14:08:28 | Tangent | Hrm |
| 14:08:37 | Tangent | is not convinced |
| 14:09:16 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Oh I agree about upper level layers taking away control. I'm just not a user interface person. UI of any kind. :) Give me client/server networking type stuff and I'll be happy. |
| 14:09:32 | cworth | I have found it quite useful to have a little event dispatcher which lets you register callbacks. That is quite nice to use, (and very small). |
| 14:10:23 | cworth | But widgets would be nice too. Maybe I'll turn my little event dispatcher into a toolkit with widgets, (but still expose all the guts of Xlib so noone loses any control). |
| 14:10:24 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Same here.... I would rather play in the low level stuff, but thats exactly why I don't like toolkits... somebody might actually expect you to design something |
| 14:10:32 | prpplague | i like using fltk, does that make me lame? |
| 14:10:42 | RedBaron | cworth: Yah. callback handling setups help a lot. |
| 14:10:48 | cworth | prpplague: by no means. |
| 14:10:54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Having used FLTK quite extensively, I would say that makes you very brave... |
| 14:11:03 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: hehe. Very true. |
| 14:11:14 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: hah. :) |
| 14:11:56 | RedBaron | prpplague: I use FLTK for my job. Its a nice little, very limited...but little toolkit. Which worked fine for work till recently. We tried to write a lage scale GUI app in it and FLTK just wasnt too happy with it. |
| 14:12:25 | prpplague | RedBaron: you use fluid? |
| 14:13:07 | RedBaron | prpplague: Sorta. I use it fluid to layout the widgets and then have it generate the c++ code. Then cut and paste the creation lines for the widgets into my own code. |
| 14:13:23 | prpplague | RedBaron: same here |
| 14:13:26 | RedBaron | prpplague:I cant stand how fluid handles things like callbacks and what not |
| 14:13:29 | RedBaron | prpplague:*nod* |
| 14:14:21 | CosmicPenguin | A fluid replacement would probably be a very popular project right about now.... |
| 14:14:32 | prpplague | RedBaron: it sure makes creating small apps for my yopy quick work... |
| 14:14:50 | RedBaron | prpplague: Yah. FLTK is great for small quick things. |
| 14:15:07 | RedBaron | cworth: Whats that xstroke program do? |
| 14:15:27 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Where did FLTK break down in your large scale GUI app? |
| 14:15:28 | cworth | RedBaron: character recognition. |
| 14:16:16 | RedBaron | cworth: Its just a shell or does it work on any window? |
| 14:16:24 | cworth | RedBaron: full-screen, translucent drawing, any window. |
| 14:16:30 | RedBaron | cworth: Ah. cool. |
| 14:16:45 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: Its translucent? I didn't know that..... You do all that in software? |
| 14:17:17 | RedBaron | cworth: Huh. It is translucent. That is nice. I didnt notice with the background being small characters |
| 14:17:18 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: yes, courtesy of the Render extension in X. (again, Xlib is fun!) |
| 14:17:38 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh... how's the speed on the Ipaq? |
| 14:17:47 | CosmicPenguin | drawing speed, i mean... |
| 14:18:06 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: plenty fast. |
| 14:18:33 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Lets see...The first problem I had was that there is nothing in the lines of layout management for FLTK. I realy dont like static GUI's. everyone of them should be able to scale when resized. |
| 14:18:39 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: my strokes don't come out smooth on the tuxscreen, but I think that is a touchscreen driver problem and is not related to drawing speed at all. |
| 14:19:19 | cworth | RedBaron receives vigorous nods from cworth. |
| 14:19:56 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: We've run into those problems as well... |
| 14:20:07 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: So had to make my own layout widget. Lets see...The boss ended up getting annoyed at some of the quirks of FLTK. Like how its file chooser dialog handles paths in the path input field. |
| 14:20:09 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: You've tried the beta for FLTK 2.0? |
| 14:20:19 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Nope. I havent. |
| 14:20:43 | CosmicPenguin | RedBaron: Guess its better... I don't know for sure, I've only compiled it once.... |
| 14:20:44 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: oh, and by using Render, xstroke would just pick up hardware support if it were there, (and when keithp finishes writing that). |
| 14:21:01 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: We just decided to switch to Fox actualy. |
| 14:21:02 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: I am impressed. |
| 14:21:07 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: *nods about fltk 2.0* |
| 14:22:39 | cworth | here's a better, (big), screenshot showing off translucence ala xstroke: http://keithp.com/~keithp/download/newoperator.png |
| 14:22:47 | RedBaron | cworth: This Render extension...Is this Xfree 3.x or 4.x? |
| 14:22:57 | cworth | RedBaron: 4.x |
| 14:23:07 | RedBaron | cworth: *nod* |
| 14:23:32 | RedBaron | cworth: That looks pretty damn nice. |
| 15:28:40 | Error403 | cworth: heh, is that your email in http://keithp.com/~keithp/download/showoff.png ? |
| 15:30:30 | cworth | Error403: heh. yes, from keithp to me. xstroke did indeed push him to enhance Render. |
| 15:30:41 | Error403 | hehe |
| 15:31:37 | Error403 | From what I hear Render still isn't able to do translucencies very well ala OSX |
| 15:34:01 | cworth | Error403: don't know anything about OSX. But Keith did present a paper at ALS2000 on doing full-fledged translucent windows. Not in X yet, but Render has a bunch of code to help him toward that. |
| 15:35:57 | Error403 | Okay. Because we (The KDE Devel team) has been considering trying to do stuff ala OSX (I havn't seen OSX either, just screen shots), but there bugs in Render and limitations that prevented us from doing that. At one point someone even suggested OpenGL :} |
| 15:36:47 | Error403 | s/has/have |
| 15:39:01 | cworth | Error403: hope you reported bugs. I haven't had any problems with render myself. But keithp is amazingly fast at fixing things when there are real bugs. |
| 15:40:26 | Error403 | Wasn't me. I'm too busy with the rest of my life to be a full time core developer for KDE. As for the bugs, I know one of our lead graphics/code developers was communicating with Keith |
| 15:41:04 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: Did you get a tuxscreen? Are we gonna see a little QTE action soon??? :) |
| 15:41:37 | Error403 | I did... but I need to get my damn straight-through-to-null-modem converter |
| 15:41:52 | Error403 | I bought the wrong cable the first time around |
| 15:42:12 | Error403 | and I will buy one in a few hours right before I work... then I will get home later and flash it! nahaha |
| 16:13:41 | boris | y0 anyone alive? |
| 16:13:58 | AlHazWork | in what sense? |
| 16:14:07 | AlHazWork | and where's that natasha chick? |
| 16:14:35 | boris | heh well i was out and missed my tuxscreen being delivered |
| 16:15:38 | boris | will go and collect it tomorrow |
| 16:17:38 | CosmicPenguin | boris: I really hope, for your sake, that it all works right out of the box.... |
| 16:17:54 | CosmicPenguin | boris: You have been so excited to get it... :) |
| 16:19:35 | boris | yep so do i |
| 16:19:42 | boris | i'd be gutted |
| 16:21:05 | boris | i am looking forward to porting ferite |
| 16:21:20 | RedBaron | boris: Whats ferite? |
| 16:21:31 | boris | once that is done i'll write some microwindows bindings for it |
| 16:21:38 | boris | http://www.ferite.org |
| 16:21:46 | boris | :) |
| 16:22:03 | RedBaron | boris: heh. Thanks |
| 16:22:20 | boris | np |
| 16:22:25 | boris | ferite rocks imho :) |
| 16:23:01 | Error403 | nah |
| 16:23:07 | Error403 | Qt/E rocks my world |
| 16:23:08 | RedBaron | Huh. Never heard of it. and I've been looking for a good embeddable scripting languag |
| 16:23:15 | boris | hehe |
| 16:23:17 | boris | it's new |
| 16:23:22 | RedBaron | ah |
| 16:23:22 | boris | and exciting |
| 16:23:25 | boris | and cool :) |
| 16:23:30 | RedBaron | So whats good about it? |
| 16:23:36 | boris | go read the manual |
| 16:23:41 | boris | http://dox.ferite.org |
| 16:23:49 | RedBaron | reading as we speak. :) Just wondering what your opinion is. |
| 16:23:49 | boris | and that should answer your questions :) |
| 16:24:05 | boris | well the fact that it allows for object oriented programming |
| 16:24:09 | boris | it's clean |
| 16:24:15 | boris | and tidy |
| 16:24:24 | boris | it allows you to wite nice ffecient and clean code |
| 16:24:38 | RedBaron | Cool. |
| 16:24:54 | Error403 | But it is scripting :} |
| 16:25:03 | CosmicPenguin | boris: I swear I will help you... I was so burned out on friday that I didn't even turn my machine on this weekend.... |
| 16:25:04 | Error403 | C++ has all of that stuff, but its native ;) |
| 16:25:16 | RedBaron | I like the fact that there is no builtin API. everything is a module. |
| 16:25:16 | boris | Error403: it allows me to easily develop apps on my desktop and move the scriptaround knowing it'll work |
| 16:25:31 | boris | RedBaron: that was a consious desicion i made |
| 16:25:46 | RedBaron | boris: Oh your working on it? |
| 16:25:49 | boris | RedBaron: only use what you *need* not whatpeople think is needed |
| 16:25:57 | Error403 | knows his C++ program will run on AIX, Tru64, Linux, Solaris, and even Win32..... using Qt :D |
| 16:26:38 | boris | Error403: and? ferite isn't a qt app it's a bit like saying that car is better than a plan because it can drive on all roads |
| 16:26:48 | boris | s/plan/plane/; |
| 16:26:51 | RedBaron | Error403: *chuckle* I hear you Error403. But sometimes its just nice to use a dynamic loosely typed scripting lang for something small and quick. Just cause C++ can be a pain to something small and quick. |
| 16:27:14 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: Unfortunately, C++ isn't so native on the Tuxscreen at this moment.... :( |
| 16:27:28 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: Why not? g++ not ported well to the strongarm? |
| 16:27:34 | Error403 | The fact that it requires you to have the preprocessor for the language is HARDLY portable |
| 16:27:34 | CosmicPenguin | Not for uClibc.... |
| 16:27:47 | Error403 | huh? No C++ |
| 16:27:48 | Error403 | ? |
| 16:27:55 | Error403 | throws his TuxScreen away |
| 16:27:58 | Error403 | pfft |
| 16:28:02 | RedBaron | *chuckle* |
| 16:28:15 | RedBaron | CosmicPenguin: ah. |
| 16:28:23 | Error403 | It's useless to me without C++... I won't flash it tonight |
| 16:28:34 | boris | ferite allows for clean oop |
| 16:28:39 | CosmicPenguin | Lets just put it this way - you won't be fitting very many C++ apps on the flash. You can still NFS mount and do all that.... |
| 16:28:40 | boris | it's ansi c |
| 16:28:46 | boris | and has very few dependancies |
| 16:28:47 | Error403 | C++ invented clean OOP :) |
| 16:29:10 | boris | well i dont care |
| 16:29:13 | boris | ferite will be ported |
| 16:29:14 | boris | :) |
| 16:29:26 | boris | then i shall write some really nice oop bindings for microwindws |
| 16:29:27 | CosmicPenguin | boris: A scripting language is very needed........ |
| 16:29:29 | boris | for CosmicPenguin |
| 16:29:36 | boris | et al |
| 16:29:44 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Did you think that Qt/E would fit on the TuxScreen? nope :) |
| 16:29:50 | Error403 | MICRODRIVE!@# |
| 16:29:52 | Error403 | nahahahahaha |
| 16:29:57 | Error403 | cackles |
| 16:30:25 | boris | ohwell |
| 16:30:29 | boris | ferite rocks |
| 16:30:34 | boris | because i single hadnly wrote it :) |
| 16:30:50 | RedBaron | Error403: And in 16M of ram? You wanna experience swap death with X and a decently sized C++ program running? |
| 16:31:13 | AlHazWork | what swap? |
| 16:31:16 | Error403 | RedBaron: Microdrives can mount swap ;) |
| 16:31:20 | AlHazWork | well, if you had a microdrive you could swap |
| 16:31:34 | Error403 | RedBaron: Qt/E |
| 16:31:36 | RedBaron | Error403: Thats why I said swap. Because Error was talking about a microdrive. Its still swap death though. |
| 16:31:37 | Error403 | Qt/E |
| 16:31:37 | Error403 | Qt/E |
| 16:31:39 | Error403 | Qt/E |
| 16:31:43 | Error403 | points at Qt/E |
| 16:31:59 | boris | Error403: WHAT IS THE POINT OF QT/E? |
| 16:32:02 | Error403 | jumps pointing at Qt/E |
| 16:32:03 | boris | seriously |
| 16:32:11 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: You work for QT or just a independent KDE developer? |
| 16:32:11 | boris | how can i run my x apps on qt/e? |
| 16:32:12 | Error403 | It is like X, but without all the overhead |
| 16:32:17 | CosmicPenguin | s/QT/Trolltech/ |
| 16:32:22 | Error403 | hahaha |
| 16:32:30 | Error403 | I wish I worked for Trolltech ;) |
| 16:32:35 | boris | running qt/e closes you to one specific enviroment |
| 16:32:44 | boris | you loose flexibily |
| 16:32:47 | Error403 | what? |
| 16:32:48 | Error403 | shut up |
| 16:32:50 | Error403 | :P |
| 16:33:07 | Error403 | If you have a frame buffer device Qt/E will run on it |
| 16:33:13 | Error403 | points at the TuxScreen |
| 16:33:15 | boris | Error403: go away. get a clue. and come back when youhaving something *constructive* to say. |
| 16:33:27 | RedBaron | No doubt. |
| 16:33:55 | boris | Error403: saying QT/E helps *no-one* |
| 16:33:59 | Error403 | What? Ohh, sure, lets make some C programs that do nothing useful on the TuxScreen. |
| 16:34:10 | boris | Error403: there are more important things to wqorry about |
| 16:34:13 | boris | Error403: like what? |
| 16:34:53 | Error403 | Why do we need a scripting language on the tuxscreen? It's slow enough as it is |
| 16:35:12 | boris | Error403: why do we need QT/E? |
| 16:35:21 | boris | Error403: wehy are you pushing QT/e in *my* face |
| 16:35:34 | boris | Error403: and why can't i port a project i've been working on for the 15 months |
| 16:35:44 | boris | Error403: if you dont like it, dont fucking use it. |
| 16:36:07 | boris | Error403: i have merely stated that it's going to happen. i have been asked by others to make it happen. |
| 16:36:47 | boris | Error403: i would expect this sort of trolling from /. readers not in a specialised channel like this |
| 16:36:52 | Error403 | Dude, the fact of the matter is, is that we need something practical on the TuxScreen. It's a phone, not a computer. Use it for its phone capabilities. Hack it to get other OSs to run, great, but it needs to have a use. |
| 16:37:23 | RedBaron | Error403: Phillips couldnt sell it as a phone. Thats the only reason we are getting this things so cheap |
| 16:37:31 | boris | Error403: i dontcare, i am not writing software in my spare time gfor *others* i do it for *me* |
| 16:37:37 | boris | if i choose to release that then fine |
| 16:37:56 | boris | you get a phone |
| 16:37:58 | boris | you use qt/e and be happy |
| 16:38:23 | boris | i am not going to sit and write software i am not interested in, in my spare time, to make people happy |
| 16:38:31 | Error403 | boris: Who said I was even talking to you? RedBaron suggested that if I used Qt/E X would swap a whole lot, and then I said Qt/E again. Then you got all worked up like I attacked you. |
| 16:38:32 | boris | if you pay me i'll do that sort of thing |
| 16:38:49 | boris | i am sure most of the other develpers feel the same way |
| 16:39:30 | RedBaron | boris: I like your use of the 'self' to refer to class members. The lack of something like that in C++ has always annoyed me. so I jsut do the 'my' and 'our' conventions, which get a bit old after a while. |
| 16:39:31 | Error403 | I didn't even start anything with you, so if you if you feel like you need to defend your scripting language, go ahead.. but I didn't start anything with you, so lay off. |
| 16:39:49 | boris | RedBaron: thanks :) |
| 16:40:15 | boris | i'm defeneding developers that seem to get shit on because they are not doing what other people *think* they should be doing |
| 16:41:06 | boris | there are so many people that say "why do they do that? isn't that a waste of time?" |
| 16:41:11 | boris | etc etc |
| 16:41:30 | boris | and you were doing it earlier |
| 16:41:30 | BZFlag | thinks folks should simmer down. |
| 16:41:38 | boris | *sorry* |
| 16:41:40 | boris | long day |
| 16:41:48 | boris | BZFlag: missed the delivery today |
| 16:41:50 | BZFlag | off to the PO to mail more phones... then to work. back later. |
| 16:41:58 | boris | BZFlag: will collect my tuxscreen tm |
| 16:42:03 | boris | :) |
| 16:42:16 | BZFlag | yeah I heard. sorry. At least it's close to your house now. ;-) |
| 16:42:25 | RedBaron | boris: In your manual, you say there is no multi-inheritance. But nothing is said about anything along the lines of Java's interface capability. Is there nothing like that? |
| 16:42:39 | BZFlag | well, cya ll in a bit |
| 16:42:45 | BZFlag | er s/ll/all/ |
| 16:42:46 | RedBaron | Seeyas |
| 16:43:11 | boris | RedBaron: i was going to add an interface mechanism to make things more stric if wanted but that is going to be saved for v2 |
| 16:43:25 | RedBaron | boris: Ah. Okay. |
| 16:44:28 | RedBaron | boris: I've just found that for doing anything complex, you realy need either C++ like multiple-inheritance (and avoid the obvious problems of course) or java-like interfaces. But, thats for more complex programs realy. |
| 16:44:36 | boris | RedBaron: we have some ReallyCoolShit planned for post-v1 and thats one of them |
| 16:44:47 | RedBaron | boris: is that on your webpage? |
| 16:44:53 | boris | nope |
| 16:44:57 | RedBaron | boris: ok |
| 16:45:01 | boris | it's hidden away in a developers wiki |
| 16:45:19 | Error403 | The only reason I saw Qt/E as being viable is because the iPaq has the same qualities as the TuxScreen. See this: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/embedded/qpe.html . And boris, I never suggested that you or anyone else should or HAS to program in this or even C++, but this seems very practical with me, and I'm sure many people could/would agree |
| 16:45:23 | boris | which will be made public in the future |
| 16:45:28 | RedBaron | *nod* ok |
| 16:45:41 | boris | Error403: i have QP/E |
| 16:45:48 | boris | Error403: i've played around with it |
| 16:45:50 | Error403 | the new one? |
| 16:45:53 | Error403 | 2.0? |
| 16:45:59 | Error403 | take a look at the page |
| 16:46:10 | boris | Error403: not the brand new one no |
| 16:46:18 | boris | i dont have an embedded device to test it on |
| 16:46:19 | RedBaron | boris: Whelp. I must be getting back to work. Thanks for pointing me at ferite. I'll have to try it when I have some free time. :) |
| 16:46:20 | boris | and imho |
| 16:46:30 | boris | RedBaron: cool :) |
| 16:46:44 | boris | Error403: qp/e is good for PDAs but no the tuxscreen |
| 16:46:47 | boris | wrong direction |
| 16:46:56 | AlHazWork | wrong direction? |
| 16:47:01 | Error403 | What? |
| 16:47:06 | Error403 | umm, okay. |
| 16:47:17 | boris | well |
| 16:47:35 | CosmicPenguin | boris: QP/E is good for the Tuxscreen, but it is a bit big for the flash..... |
| 16:47:51 | Error403 | I would be presenting something that allowed the users/hackers to _USE_ the Tuxscreen as a phone whilst hacking it |
| 16:47:52 | boris | CosmicPenguin: hmm i am not sure |
| 16:48:10 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: not too big |
| 16:48:16 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 16:48:44 | CosmicPenguin | boris: I don't know how well the QT/E screentop handles apps that aren't full screen. I do know that their alphablending kicks ass (at least on the x86) |
| 16:48:51 | mallum | hi all |
| 16:48:54 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: You can fit a QP/E distro in 3.0 MB? |
| 16:49:00 | Error403 | sure |
| 16:49:03 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: did you ever find that dictionary stuff ? |
| 16:49:08 | Error403 | it is dynamic and the source code is availible |
| 16:49:27 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I'm sorry, I got completely burned out last week, and I just dropped everything for the weekend.... |
| 16:49:34 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I'll get back on track this week... |
| 16:51:31 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: I could even strip stuff out of the Qt/E lib |
| 16:52:17 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: Ok, I believe you..... It would be really cool if you could come up with a distro.... we're trying to get as many graphical engines as possible running on the tuxscreen |
| 16:52:40 | CosmicPenguin | See http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/GraphicsEngine |
| 16:56:02 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: np |
| 16:56:28 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: everytime I try to do something on my own, this little thing called "work" keeps invading.... |
| 16:56:48 | mallum | heh, tell me about it .... |
| 16:57:32 | RedBaron | Heh. |
| 17:02:51 | Error403 | wb |
| 17:32:14 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:43:58) |
| 17:53:15 | boris | ok |
| 17:53:15 | boris | bbl |
| 18:41:22 | prpplague | is away: lunch |
| 19:23:20 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:41:59) |
| 19:26:29 | CosmicPenguin | Cool... Russ put uDHCP on freshmeat.... |
| 21:03:43 | mallum | it quiet around these parts ... |
| 21:04:24 | SpaceCoaster | bell tolls, tumbleweed rolls across the road... |
| 21:05:54 | mallum | tumbleweed .... |
| 22:36:14 | prpplague | anyone have a clue why rxvt would run fine as root, but as a normal user rxvt starts but never opens a shell? |
| 22:39:50 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Yes, make sure /dev/pts is mounted if devpts fs support is compiled into the kernel and rxvt is compiled with unix98pty support |
| 22:40:00 | AlHazWork | it mounts on none, just like proc |
| 22:40:04 | AlHazWork | I'm goin home |
| 22:42:53 | prpplague | me too |
| 23:15:37 | cory | hey |
| 23:15:39 | cory | fire alarm now |
| 23:15:42 | cory | on my wireless outside my window |
