| 01:55:33 | Error403 | hi |
| 01:55:52 | Error403 | Does anyone have a better page for setting up Linux on the TuxScreen, this wiki stuff is sickening :} |
| 01:56:12 | Error403 | Not to mention that just getting emu to work is a pain, and I can't even get that to run properly. |
| 01:59:54 | wedge | evenin |
| 02:29:38 | Error403 | andersee: hi, you work on the TuxScreen? |
| 02:29:56 | andersee | yup |
| 02:30:03 | andersee | been known to do that |
| 02:30:29 | Error403 | andersee: Is there a better page than tuxscreen.net (I can't stand wiki) that is more updated and explains how to get Linux on the thing more clearly? |
| 02:30:47 | Error403 | I have all the inferno junk, but emu can't find 'dis/sh.dis' |
| 02:33:42 | BZFlag | did you give inferno a -r<root inferno dir> ? |
| 02:33:55 | Error403 | yup |
| 02:34:21 | Error403 | inferno, no... but ./linuxemu -r/usr/local/Inferno |
| 02:36:12 | andersee | there is no better source then the wiki -- except perhaps asking people on irc |
| 02:36:41 | andersee | but you will people be told to RTFW... ;) |
| 02:37:21 | Error403 | eh |
| 02:37:55 | BZFlag | so (cd /usr/local/Inferno ; /usr/local/Inferno/linuxemu -r/usr/local/Inferno) ? |
| 02:38:33 | GoRK | Error403: if inferno can't find dis/sh.dis then either you did not install inferno correctly or you did not start it correctly after installing |
| 02:38:45 | GoRK | Error403: are you in linux or windows? |
| 02:38:51 | Error403 | linux |
| 02:38:56 | GoRK | 2.2 or 2.4 |
| 02:38:57 | Error403 | hmm |
| 02:38:59 | Error403 | 2.4 |
| 02:39:09 | Error403 | seems my version had a note that it was for 2.2 |
| 02:39:19 | Error403 | so I'm not sure what the deal is with that |
| 02:39:48 | GoRK | ok, you have to unpack the inferno.tgz and the linux.tgz first, then you have to replace the emu binary with the contents of linuxemu.gz eg gunzip linuxemu.gz ; mv linuxemu /path/to/emu |
| 02:40:06 | GoRK | then run install/Linux-386.sh |
| 02:40:12 | GoRK | to install and set up inferno |
| 02:40:16 | Error403 | hmm |
| 02:40:44 | GoRK | then replace the emu binary with linuxemu.gz again (the install script overwrites it) |
| 02:41:02 | GoRK | err you have to tell Linux-386.sh the inferno root |
| 02:41:07 | GoRK | forgot to mention that |
| 02:41:36 | GoRK | anyway after that you should be able to run inferno. if you plan on keeping a backup, remember that inferno will not write files out as root |
| 02:41:39 | Error403 | When running the Linux-386 script it segfaults saing "SYS: process syscall faults" |
| 02:41:58 | GoRK | did you replace the emu binary? |
| 02:42:08 | Error403 | yes |
| 02:42:10 | Error403 | err |
| 02:42:22 | Error403 | replace emu, there was a wiki note that linuemu isn't a replacement |
| 02:42:35 | Error403 | rm emu; mv linuxemu emu? |
| 02:42:39 | GoRK | yeah |
| 02:42:42 | Error403 | k |
| 02:42:49 | GoRK | well |
| 02:42:54 | GoRK | keep a copy of linuxemu |
| 02:42:57 | Error403 | yeah |
| 02:43:04 | GoRK | you'll have to replace emu with it again after the install script gets done |
| 02:43:41 | Error403 | is it okay if there are TONS of files missing? |
| 02:43:42 | Error403 | :} |
| 02:44:06 | Error403 | btw, I'm going to start some small Qt/E projects for this thing |
| 02:44:11 | GoRK | Linux-386.sh says there are tons of files missing? |
| 02:44:17 | Error403 | oh yeah |
| 02:44:19 | GoRK | hmm |
| 02:44:35 | GoRK | you untarred linux.tgz and inferno.tgz all into the same tree? |
| 02:44:40 | Error403 | yeah |
| 02:44:44 | Error403 | let me retry |
| 02:45:22 | GoRK | try giving Linux-386.sh the absolute pathname to the inferno root |
| 02:45:43 | Error403 | I am |
| 02:46:37 | Error403 | there are no files of the sort that it wants in those directories |
| 02:46:44 | Error403 | they are mostly empty |
| 02:47:08 | Error403 | Do I have to untar a Inferno image file |
| 02:47:09 | Error403 | ? |
| 02:47:18 | Error403 | (not inferno.tgz) |
| 02:47:38 | GoRK | no |
| 02:48:06 | GoRK | 6632565 Sep 11 15:59 Linux.tgz |
| 02:48:14 | GoRK | 14367267 Sep 11 16:00 inferno.tgz |
| 02:48:20 | Error403 | same files here |
| 02:48:48 | Error403 | okay, my inferno path is /usr/local/Inferno |
| 02:49:16 | Error403 | I run (From /usr/local/Inferno): sh install/Linux-386.sh /usr/local/Inferno |
| 02:49:38 | GoRK | right. after replacing emu |
| 02:49:44 | Error403 | yeah, well, grr |
| 02:49:52 | Error403 | I don't know if they are important files |
| 02:50:10 | Error403 | inst: can't make file /n/remote/Linux/386/lib/lib9.a |
| 02:50:10 | GoRK | just run the script, replace emu again, and see if it works |
| 02:52:52 | Error403 | Do I have to have a CD or something? It shows (At the end of the script) some $CDPATH variable (in which the script crashes at). And no, it didn't work |
| 02:53:02 | GoRK | no |
| 02:53:27 | Error403 | let me startover, heh |
| 02:54:59 | Error403 | there |
| 02:55:01 | Error403 | worked |
| 02:55:02 | Error403 | lo |
| 02:55:02 | Error403 | l |
| 02:55:05 | Error403 | whatever |
| 02:55:33 | Error403 | now |
| 02:55:42 | Error403 | to order a TE100 card and boot up emu |
| 03:06:39 | Error403 | So since rdp takes a -p option I should specify /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 03:09:35 | AlHaz | beware: Trendware has started shoving an entirely different nic in the box that says TE100-PC16R |
| 03:09:44 | AlHaz | and it doesn't work at all |
| 03:09:55 | AlHaz | there are a few other 10/100 nics listed on the wiki, or should be, that work |
| 03:10:07 | Error403 | damn, just placed my order, let me verify |
| 03:10:08 | AlHaz | andersee found a few last night at compusa |
| 03:10:25 | Error403 | ohh |
| 03:10:29 | Error403 | how much there? |
| 03:10:55 | AlHaz | dunno |
| 03:11:06 | AlHaz | check the wiki, or ask andersee why he didn't put it on the wiki if it's not there |
| 03:12:07 | Error403 | it's not the TE100-PC16R |
| 03:13:02 | Error403 | ohh |
| 03:13:03 | GoRK | oh yeah. i was the one who posted that stuff not him |
| 03:13:04 | Error403 | well, err |
| 03:13:10 | GoRK | they are 5v only now |
| 03:13:13 | Error403 | it doesn't give a model |
| 03:13:24 | GoRK | if you ordered from netica mall, they dont have any of the older kind that work left |
| 03:13:28 | Error403 | It says "Ultra Low Power" |
| 03:13:39 | Error403 | GoRK: www.ussa.com |
| 03:14:11 | GoRK | hmm well be very careful. before you open the shrink wrap, check the serial number on the outside of the box. if it starts with 18 or higher, send it back |
| 03:14:17 | Error403 | k |
| 03:14:56 | GoRK | i'd say the recommended card now is NetGear-FA411 |
| 03:15:16 | Error403 | hmmm |
| 03:15:21 | GoRK | it's 10/100 and looks kind of like the new trendware cards (built in port, no dongle, fits in top slot, etc) |
| 03:15:23 | Error403 | I think I'll cancel my order |
| 03:15:34 | Error403 | and it works? |
| 03:15:51 | GoRK | andersee got one and said it worked |
| 03:16:06 | Error403 | erg |
| 03:16:07 | GoRK | i got four trendware TE100-PC16R and only two of them were the old model that worked |
| 03:16:28 | GoRK | im returning the other two and getting netgears |
| 03:17:12 | GoRK | andersee: you here? i had a quick question about uclibc's vfork()... |
| 03:17:54 | GoRK | andersee: well, nevermind. fork is all good |
| 03:20:43 | Error403 | hmm |
| 03:20:47 | Error403 | Question |
| 03:21:37 | andersee | I'm here -- was on the phone with a buddy of mine |
| 03:21:52 | Error403 | /dev/eia0 doesnt exist. I suppose it is looking in its own virtual root path. Do I need to symlink my /dev/cua0 to its /dev/eia0 |
| 03:21:57 | GoRK | no |
| 03:22:10 | GoRK | you are using /dev/ttyS0 right? |
| 03:22:35 | GoRK | that is equivalent to /dev/eia0 when you bind the inferno serial devices to the linux devices |
| 03:22:46 | Error403 | I guess not, it's not there :} |
| 03:22:53 | GoRK | bind -a '#'t /dev |
| 03:23:05 | Error403 | my Mandrake install is using devfs, so, bleh :} |
| 03:23:16 | GoRK | you dont have /dev/ttyS0? |
| 03:23:20 | Error403 | no ;) |
| 03:23:27 | Error403 | wait |
| 03:23:29 | Error403 | I do |
| 03:23:32 | Error403 | nevermind me |
| 03:23:34 | Error403 | I'm stupid |
| 03:23:54 | Error403 | bind: no free devices |
| 03:24:02 | GoRK | andersee; perl was just asking me to decide whether to use fork or vfork, but i just figured fork was safer anyway |
| 03:24:21 | GoRK | are you running inferno as root? |
| 03:24:27 | Error403 | no |
| 03:24:53 | GoRK | the user you are running inferno as must have access to the serial ports |
| 03:25:07 | Error403 | 'spose |
| 03:25:08 | Error403 | hmm |
| 03:25:12 | Error403 | let me investigate |
| 03:25:31 | GoRK | chown them to the user or chmod a+rw them |
| 03:25:40 | GoRK | really just /dev/ttyS0 |
| 03:26:49 | GoRK | this is all spelled out pretty clearly on www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/infernoremote |
| 03:27:04 | andersee | GoRK: either fork or vfork will work fine.... |
| 03:27:31 | Error403 | GoRK: I'm there now, and it's hardly clear, all this 3rd person crap, then 1st person :) |
| 03:28:01 | Error403 | does 115200 baud work with the tuxscreen? |
| 03:28:06 | andersee | yup |
| 03:28:20 | Error403 | good :) |
| 03:28:52 | BZFlag | andersee: you around? |
| 03:28:59 | andersee | yup |
| 03:29:17 | BZFlag | there was a patch for mkfs.jffs2 that added a -z[0-9] option. have you seen it? |
| 03:29:24 | GoRK | don't listen to him, that's just his cat walking on the keyboard in a very coincidental manner |
| 03:29:24 | andersee | nope |
| 03:30:00 | BZFlag | hmmm |
| 03:30:04 | andersee | is liking ext3 this evening |
| 03:30:09 | GoRK | my cf card is going to die today :) |
| 03:30:58 | Error403 | so I should do this stuff in the console when the tuxscreen is in sboot? |
| 03:30:59 | andersee | The power supply in my desktop system blew up while I was coding. Didn't lose a single line and no fsck... |
| 03:31:08 | Error403 | wonders if he turned off his serial port |
| 03:31:39 | GoRK | ahh yes bitten by the bios. alternatively, you may not have serial port support in your kernel, eh? |
| 03:31:56 | Error403 | default mandrake kernel, you better bet I do ;) |
| 03:32:07 | Error403 | not to mention all 100megs of extra useless modules ;) |
| 03:33:29 | BZFlag | Error403: you are only sending over blob, right? 9600 is safer. |
| 03:34:00 | Error403 | k |
| 03:34:21 | Error403 | grr |
| 03:34:29 | Error403 | nothing, I'll have to check my BIOS |
| 03:41:24 | Error403 | *sigh* |
| 03:45:54 | Error403 | I don't trust devfs |
| 03:46:00 | Error403 | time to try this on my laptop |
| 03:46:06 | Error403 | (this computer) |
| 03:50:55 | GoRK | spam coming - |
| 03:51:02 | GoRK | cc -o miniperl \ |
| 03:51:02 | GoRK | miniperlmain.o opmini.o libperl.a -ldl -lc -lcrypt -lutil -lm |
| 03:51:02 | GoRK | libperl.a(sv.o): In function `Perl_sv_2pv': |
| 03:51:04 | GoRK | sv.o(.text+0x33dc): undefined reference to `gcvt' |
| 03:51:16 | GoRK | libperl.a(sv.o): In function `Perl_sv_vcatpvfn': |
| 03:51:17 | GoRK | sv.o(.text+0xaf60): undefined reference to `frexp' |
| 03:51:26 | GoRK | libperl.a(pp.o): In function `Perl_pp_pow': |
| 03:51:29 | GoRK | pp.o(.text+0x2714): undefined reference to `pow' |
| 03:51:38 | GoRK | libperl.a(pp.o): In function `Perl_pp_modulo': |
| 03:51:39 | GoRK | pp.o(.text+0x2cc8): undefined reference to `floor' |
| 03:51:52 | GoRK | pp.o(.text+0x2cfc): undefined reference to `fmod' |
| 03:52:04 | GoRK | libperl.a(pp.o): In function `Perl_pp_atan2': |
| 03:52:04 | GoRK | pp.o(.text+0x6390): undefined reference to `atan2' |
| 03:52:38 | Error403 | okay, it doesn't work |
| 03:52:46 | Error403 | this makes me mad :( |
| 03:52:56 | GoRK | also: sin, cos, logf, other libm stuff |
| 03:53:02 | GoRK | but i am linking in libm argh |
| 03:53:23 | GoRK | tuxscreen:~/perl-5.6.1# which cc |
| 03:53:34 | GoRK | /usr/arm-linux-uclibc/bin/cc |
| 03:53:55 | Error403 | What are your peoples' female to female serial cables like? Do the pins match up exactly on both ends? |
| 03:54:07 | GoRK | you have to use a null modem cable |
| 03:54:29 | GoRK | straight through won't work |
| 03:54:35 | Error403 | ARGH!!!! |
| 03:54:41 | Error403 | fsck |
| 03:54:42 | Error403 | whatever |
| 03:54:45 | Error403 | I give up |
| 03:54:49 | Error403 | boots inferno |
| 03:55:06 | Error403 | I know it said null cable |
| 03:55:15 | Error403 | but stupid radio shack *mumble* |
| 03:58:08 | GoRK | andersee: could that happen if i have libm supporting floats but not doubles or long doubles? |
| 03:59:14 | andersee | GoRK: yup |
| 03:59:34 | andersee | double atan2(double y, double x); |
| 03:59:44 | andersee | no doubles, no atan2... |
| 03:59:57 | GoRK | doh |
| 04:00:04 | GoRK | well can i safely leave out long double support? |
| 04:00:36 | GoRK | at least im sure that ive got it compiling right. miniperl is, after all, a perl interpreter :) whoot |
| 04:01:00 | andersee | yup |
| 04:01:31 | andersee | Enable double support and you are set |
| 04:01:44 | GoRK | so what does long double support buy me in libm? anything special? i thouhgt long double was the same size as double |
| 04:01:52 | GoRK | on arm |
| 04:02:50 | Error403 | well, sweet, radio shack doesnt have a null serial cable |
| 04:02:55 | andersee | don't enable it... you dont need it |
| 04:02:56 | Error403 | no suprize |
| 04:03:17 | GoRK | andersee; ok. thanks for the help |
| 04:03:31 | GoRK | Error403: they do stock null modem adaptors for straight serial cables |
| 04:03:33 | andersee | Error403: They probably have adaptors though |
| 04:04:52 | GoRK | but i think they only stock the 25 pin ones. so you have to get male db9->male db25, db25 female/female null adaptor, male db25->female db9 adaptor |
| 04:05:32 | Error403 | sheesh |
| 04:05:38 | Error403 | this is going to cost tons |
| 04:05:46 | Error403 | well thanks all |
| 04:05:46 | andersee | I bought my null serial cable at compUSA I believe... |
| 04:05:52 | GoRK | i used to have a little 9 pin Male to female null adaptor. it was the worst thing i ever lost |
| 04:05:54 | Error403 | okay, I will buy mine there |
| 04:06:18 | andersee | A nice sturdy one from belkin |
| 04:06:20 | GoRK | i just bought two of those little db9->rj45 hoods that you wire up yourself and used an ethernet cable. it cost like 2.50 |
| 04:06:42 | Error403 | notes that he can't get inferno to boot |
| 04:06:50 | Error403 | stupid software download thing |
| 04:06:56 | andersee | GoRK: That works too |
| 04:07:00 | GoRK | the quick disconnect is nice too when i have to move the phone around |
| 04:07:02 | Error403 | ESC+S doesn't work for me |
| 04:09:14 | GoRK | error403 try booting the alternate kernel. press esc when inferno logo shows up then press 2 |
| 04:09:44 | Error403 | when I press ESC it just says: boot failsafe? |
| 04:09:51 | Error403 | err |
| 04:09:53 | Error403 | 2, that was it |
| 04:09:55 | GoRK | yeah when that comes up press 2 |
| 04:09:55 | Error403 | :) |
| 04:10:05 | Error403 | damn I'm tired |
| 04:10:32 | Error403 | thanks |
| 04:10:35 | Error403 | time to go to bed |
| 04:10:38 | Error403 | cya |
| 04:10:40 | GoRK | later |
| 04:10:45 | GoRK | good luck |
| 04:10:49 | Error403 | heh |
| 04:13:32 | GoRK | andersee: ok now the only thing missing is: sv.o(.text+0x33dc): undefined reference to `gcvt' |
| 04:14:16 | andersee | char *gcvt(double number, size_t ndigit, char *buf); |
| 04:14:27 | andersee | goes and looks at uClibc... |
| 04:15:13 | GoRK | yeek TODO |
| 04:15:21 | andersee | goes and looks at POSIX |
| 04:16:20 | GoRK | perl is turbo crap. i mean. it's like bad C bindings, really. but i just love it sooooooo much :)) |
| 04:17:16 | GoRK | gcvt - convert a floating-point number to a string. |
| 04:17:17 | andersee | Its not in the POSIX book... |
| 04:17:28 | GoRK | blah |
| 04:17:49 | GoRK | The gcvt() function converts number to a minimal length NULL terminated ASCII string and stores the result in buf. It produces ndigit significant digits in either printf(3) F format or E format. |
| 04:18:02 | GoRK | The gcvt() function returns the address of the string pointed to by buf. |
| 04:18:03 | andersee | For the current math header file, I typed in everything as listed in the spec. Whats perl's damage that they use that? |
| 04:18:04 | BZFlag | Error403: null modem. all you need is 2-3 3-2 and 7 iirc |
| 04:19:10 | GoRK | well, it's perl, after all |
| 04:20:25 | GoRK | it's marked todo in the uclibc stdlib.h |
| 04:20:34 | GoRK | hmm |
| 04:22:40 | andersee | Its just a lame little wrapper over sprintf I guess... |
| 04:26:27 | GoRK | sprintf (buf, "%.*" FLOAT_FMT_FLAG "g", MIN (ndigit, NDIGIT_MAX), value); |
| 04:26:34 | GoRK | return buf; |
| 04:27:10 | GoRK | thats the one liner from glibc |
| 04:28:27 | GoRK | there are some more even stupider functions in here it looks like. ugh |
| 04:28:54 | andersee | #define MAX_NDIGIT 17 |
| 04:28:54 | andersee | char * gcvt(double number, size_t ndigit, char* buf) |
| 04:28:54 | andersee | { |
| 04:28:54 | andersee | sprintf(buf, "%.*g", (ndigit > MAX_NDIGIT)? MAX_NDIGIT : ndigit, |
| 04:28:54 | andersee | number); |
| 04:28:56 | andersee | return buf; |
| 04:28:58 | andersee | } |
| 04:29:02 | andersee | That should do it... |
| 04:29:51 | GoRK | sweet. are you going to add that to uclibc or should i jam it into perl? |
| 04:30:08 | GoRK | or i can jam it into uclibc and send you a diff |
| 04:30:16 | andersee | works |
| 04:47:07 | GoRK | we'll see if it goes now.... |
| 04:58:31 | GoRK | who was talking about XScale earlier? |
| 05:00:28 | andersee | AlHaz I believe |
| 05:01:22 | GoRK | he was getting rather critical of the published power requirements |
| 05:01:35 | GoRK | i, for one, hope they pull it off |
| 05:02:00 | GoRK | 400mhz .4W 800MIPS |
| 05:02:17 | GoRK | err |
| 05:02:25 | GoRK | 600mhz .4W 800 mips |
| 05:02:47 | andersee | would be nice... |
| 05:02:50 | GoRK | 400mhz .15W 500mpis |
| 05:02:53 | GoRK | mips |
| 05:03:27 | andersee | I'l love a nice arm based laptop, rather then some pentium powersucking thing |
| 05:04:14 | GoRK | blah same error, yet i think it is in there now |
| 05:04:17 | GoRK | hmm |
| 05:04:43 | GoRK | stdlib stuff gets put into libuClibc.so right? |
| 05:05:38 | andersee | yup |
| 05:12:01 | GoRK | argh forgot to #include <stdlib.h> in gcvt.c |
| 05:12:30 | GoRK | that won't do! |
| 05:17:25 | GoRK | whoot there it goes |
| 05:18:40 | andersee | cool beans |
| 05:23:18 | andersee | So is it working? |
| 05:23:19 | GoRK | well miniperl is hanging up doing whatever it needs to do |
| 05:23:46 | GoRK | so, sorta |
| 05:24:00 | andersee | compiling on the skif cluster |
| 05:24:03 | andersee | ? |
| 05:24:14 | GoRK | no im compiling on my tuxscreen |
| 05:24:19 | andersee | ah |
| 05:24:42 | GoRK | ./miniperl configpm configpm.tmp |
| 05:24:50 | GoRK | stuck doing that with processor at 100% |
| 05:25:42 | GoRK | using about 0 memory |
| 05:25:49 | andersee | Hmm |
| 05:25:59 | andersee | ps show it stuck in D state? |
| 05:26:39 | GoRK | no it shows R |
| 05:26:45 | GoRK | im gonna strace it |
| 05:29:44 | andersee | hopes you find uClibc bugs for me |
| 05:32:40 | GoRK | hmm |
| 05:34:46 | GoRK | perhaps i should be trying for perl 5.7.0 instead of mussing with 5.6.1... it can do some neater stuff |
| 05:35:47 | andersee | You might want to get an accound on the skif cluster at handhelds.org. |
| 05:36:17 | andersee | Lots of disk space, faster strongArm cpus, and won't kill your flash disk |
| 05:36:34 | andersee | accounts are free... |
| 05:36:46 | GoRK | i have been on it |
| 05:36:46 | GoRK | its just guest and no passwd |
| 05:37:02 | GoRK | they dont have swap either though |
| 05:37:05 | GoRK | just 32mb ram |
| 05:38:03 | GoRK | guest@skiffcluster4:~$ cat /proc/meminfo |
| 05:38:03 | GoRK | total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: |
| 05:38:04 | GoRK | Mem: 31551488 26644480 4907008 0 0 21454848 |
| 05:38:04 | GoRK | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 05:39:49 | andersee | [andersen@winder uClibc]$ uname -a |
| 05:39:49 | andersee | Linux winder 2.4.9-ac10-rmk1 #1 Wed Sep 19 22:30:24 MDT 2001 armv4l unknown |
| 05:39:50 | andersee | [andersen@winder uClibc]$ free |
| 05:39:50 | andersee | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 05:39:50 | andersee | Mem: 62428 60248 2180 0 2248 43276 |
| 05:39:50 | andersee | -/+ buffers/cache: 14724 47704 |
| 05:39:52 | andersee | Swap: 131504 5768 125736 |
| 05:39:54 | andersee | [andersen@winder uClibc]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:39:56 | andersee | Processor : Intel StrongARM-110 rev 3 (v4l) |
| 05:39:58 | andersee | BogoMIPS : 185.95 |
| 05:40:00 | andersee | Features : swp half 26bit fastmult |
| 05:40:02 | andersee | Hardware : Rebel-NetWinder |
| 05:40:04 | andersee | Revision : 44ff |
| 05:40:06 | andersee | Serial : 0000000000000639 |
| 05:40:08 | andersee | [andersen@winder uClibc]$ df -h |
| 05:40:10 | andersee | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 05:40:12 | andersee | /dev/hda3 18G 10G 7.9G 56% / |
| 05:40:14 | andersee | /dev/hda2 59M 22M 34M 39% /boot |
| 05:40:18 | andersee | Would that help? |
| 05:40:28 | GoRK | hehehe |
| 05:40:50 | GoRK | do they sell netwinders anymore? |
| 05:41:41 | andersee | nope |
| 05:41:59 | andersee | But I just gave you an account on codepoet.org |
| 05:42:16 | GoRK | groovy |
| 05:42:56 | andersee | Debian woody with some bits from unstable... |
| 05:43:07 | GoRK | that's what's on my tux now |
| 05:43:35 | andersee | Have fun -- be good. |
| 05:43:46 | GoRK | no fear, boss |
| 05:45:21 | andersee | some of the crap in your .bashrc is, um, specific to me. Sorry 'bout the mess in /etc/skel |
| 05:54:44 | GoRK | sorry to suck up bandwidth. i gotta get some sources on there hehe |
| 05:55:08 | andersee | no problem at all. I'm not using it at the moment. I'm at the end of a DSL line -- should get ~70k/s |
| 06:01:33 | GoRK | well miniperl hangs up doing nothing at all, really |
| 06:02:05 | GoRK | last thing strace shows it did was read some code |
| 06:02:10 | GoRK | i guess it caught up running it |
| 06:46:38 | andersee | just rewrote the buildroot makefile -- It is much cleaner now |
| 07:49:15 | andersee | is sleepy |
| 07:49:24 | andersee | g'night alll |
| 08:20:11 | BZFlag | nite |
| 08:20:33 | GoRK | lalala perl is brain damaged |
| 08:21:10 | GoRK | [gork@winder t]$ base/lex.t |
| 08:21:11 | GoRK | ./perl: can't resolve symbol '__gettimeofday' |
| 08:21:11 | GoRK | 1..51 |
| 08:21:11 | GoRK | #1 :x: eq :x: |
| 08:21:11 | GoRK | ok 1 |
| 08:21:11 | GoRK | ok 2 |
| 08:21:13 | GoRK | ok 3 |
| 08:21:15 | GoRK | ok 4 |
| 08:21:17 | GoRK | ok 5 |
| 08:21:19 | GoRK | ok 6 |
| 08:21:23 | GoRK | not ok 7 :2.00000144215301: |
| 13:55:54 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 13:56:28 | SpaceCoaster | hi, not very busy at the moment |
| 14:01:59 | SpaceCoaster | hi, anybody got a suggestion for a network card |
| 14:03:03 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: i've had really good experiences with a wide range of linksys cards |
| 14:03:25 | Error403 | prpplague: Really? |
| 14:03:26 | Error403 | sweet |
| 14:03:28 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: not nessarily with the tuxscreen(just got mine yesterday) but overall with linux |
| 14:03:34 | Error403 | ohh |
| 14:03:36 | Error403 | ppfft |
| 14:03:38 | Error403 | :P |
| 14:03:48 | SpaceCoaster | ahh, i meant just for the tuxscreen |
| 14:04:07 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: you check out the wiki? |
| 14:04:30 | SpaceCoaster | I did and got confused, seems like most claim to be broken |
| 14:09:06 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//PCMCIA |
| 14:09:22 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: top of the page lists the tested cards |
| 14:10:16 | prpplague | Error403: did you have an interest in the linksys cards? |
| 14:11:13 | Error403 | yes, because they are cheap |
| 14:11:19 | Error403 | and I can get them at Best Buy |
| 14:11:37 | SpaceCoaster | cheap, sounds good |
| 14:12:13 | Error403 | I don't have linux on mine yet because I bought the wrong serial cable :( |
| 14:13:59 | prpplague | bummer |
| 14:14:44 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: what card do you use? |
| 14:14:50 | Error403 | When Mr. Riker has those Linux screen shots (more along the lines of pictures) he doesn't have any diskspace left... does the kernel really use up that much? :} |
| 14:15:53 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: like i said, i'm partial to linksys, thats what i use on all my other SA based products |
| 14:16:57 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: it's just the 3.3v issue and 16bit etc. that concerns me |
| 14:17:44 | Error403 | prpplague: partial? |
| 14:18:41 | SpaceCoaster | Error403: the kernel starts off in flash < 1mb and is then copied to ram |
| 14:19:02 | Error403 | hm |
| 14:21:09 | Error403 | I'm tempted to pull apart this straight-through serial cable and re-wire it for null, but I have no idea what a null cable is like |
| 14:21:55 | SpaceCoaster | Error403: I can beep out the connections on my cable if you want |
| 14:22:15 | Error403 | I got a diagram, thanks |
| 14:22:25 | Error403 | err wait |
| 14:22:37 | Error403 | ohh my god, that's insane |
| 14:23:28 | Error403 | well, if I cut this open, I can't return it |
| 14:23:28 | Error403 | hrrrrrrrm |
| 14:23:33 | Error403 | it was $13 |
| 14:24:47 | SpaceCoaster | I use a DB9 null modem converter from radio shack. |
| 14:25:33 | Error403 | ahh |
| 14:25:39 | Error403 | on both ends, or just one? |
| 14:25:48 | SpaceCoaster | just one |
| 14:28:10 | Error403 | 6 bucks, grr :) |
| 14:30:38 | prpplague | Error403: i had the same problem thats listed on the wiki page with the linksys card |
| 14:31:08 | SpaceCoaster | that's cat# 26-264, consider it a long term investment! |
| 14:31:27 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: did you just try the card? |
| 14:31:35 | Error403 | SpaceCoaster: Yeah, I managed to find the page :) |
| 14:32:19 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: this happened with my yopy, i upgraded to 2.4.4 kernel and the problem went away |
| 14:32:54 | prpplague | Error403: partial=prefer |
| 14:33:10 | prpplague | Error403: texas slang |
| 14:33:12 | Error403 | ugh, prefer linksys cards? heh |
| 14:35:36 | SpaceCoaster | prpplague: was that the "eth: MII is missing" error? |
| 14:36:30 | prpplague | SpaceCoaster: ya, the "heart beat" and all the lights staying on |
| 14:36:36 | Error403 | there is a fix |
| 14:36:44 | Error403 | get the new pcmcia card services |
| 14:37:36 | SpaceCoaster | Yeah but BMidgley didn't test it yet, see MII page on Wiki. |
| 14:41:14 | SpaceCoaster | How do you contact people create Wiki pages? |
| 14:43:31 | prpplague | good question, most everyone thats listed on the wiki hangs out here, so i've never need to contact anyone via email |
| 14:44:20 | SpaceCoaster | aah, that makes sense |
| 14:59:28 | Error403 | heh, there are two NickB's in here I guess :) |
| 14:59:31 | Error403 | me and NickB :) |
| 15:05:54 | SpaceCoaster | bmidgley: hi, I'm looking for ethernet card recommends, any input? |
| 15:13:16 | BZFlag | SpaceCoaster: wiki people should list an email address on thier own wiki page. |
| 15:13:21 | BZFlag | not all do though. |
| 15:14:59 | SpaceCoaster | BZFlag: I can't decide which ethernet card to buy! |
| 15:16:05 | BZFlag | heh. I still have a couple cio10t's here for $30 |
| 15:16:57 | SpaceCoaster | Are they the CF cards? |
| 15:20:02 | BZFlag | yes, CF with pcmcia converter. only 10baseT, not 100. |
| 15:21:35 | SpaceCoaster | I would like to buy two, if possible? |
| 15:22:12 | BZFlag | sure. figure 1 pound each for shipping and paypal me 2 * 30 + shipping. |
| 15:22:38 | BZFlag | so Sales@TuxScreen.net would be best. |
| 15:23:42 | BZFlag | gotta go. cya? |
| 15:39:49 | wedge | man... |
| 15:39:59 | wedge | i found out my Linksys card is a 3.3/5v card |
| 15:40:18 | wedge | i've got it in there, but for some reason teh kernel is looking for the old wvlan_cs module instead of the orinoco.... |
| 15:40:33 | wedge | i'm working on hacking up the wireless.opts and all so it sees it.. but it ain't lookin good. any clues? |
| 15:44:54 | prpplague | wedge: not me sorry, i'm still debuging the i82365, haven't even made it to wireless.opts yet... |
| 15:46:23 | NickB | Error403: <grin> |
| 15:49:31 | prpplague | is it just me or does both the code and the opts for pcmcia support seem overly complicated? |
| 15:51:49 | Error403 | most C things are :) |
| 15:52:04 | wedge | prpplague: definitely |
| 15:52:17 | wedge | kinda annoying. |
| 15:54:03 | prpplague | i mean, i understand the need for flexiblity due to the large number of chipsets and devices, but good grief, its like trying to get a straight answer from a politian... |
| 15:54:13 | wedge | or a politician even. |
| 15:54:17 | wedge | sucks... |
| 15:54:35 | wedge | have you gotten an 802.11 card working? |
| 15:54:41 | prpplague | ya,ya i went to public school, i can't spell |
| 15:54:46 | Error403 | lol |
| 15:56:59 | prpplague | wedge: i'm actually working on another SA-1100 platform, but because some of the dev works is the same i hang out here to learn |
| 15:57:07 | prpplague | wedge: i also have a tuxscreen |
| 15:58:18 | wedge | coool. |
| 15:58:21 | wedge | what other SA-1100? |
| 15:58:54 | prpplague | http://www.inhandelectronics.com/html/elf.html |
| 16:02:28 | wedge | ugh. |
| 16:02:33 | Error403 | ugh is righ |
| 16:02:34 | Error403 | t |
| 16:02:34 | wedge | dude... do you have a wvlan_cs ? |
| 16:02:43 | Error403 | Windows CE 3.0 |
| 16:02:44 | Error403 | pfft |
| 16:02:46 | wedge | wavelan_cs.o? |
| 16:02:59 | Error403 | curses prpplague |
| 16:03:01 | Error403 | :P |
| 16:03:02 | wedge | has a couple of DNARD boxes here. |
| 16:03:12 | wedge | i mean wvlan_cs.o |
| 16:05:12 | prpplague | Error403: now, now, i'm working hard to give people other options for this product other than m$ |
| 16:05:45 | Error403 | well, I'm neutral, leaning to negative on that product ;) |
| 16:06:03 | prpplague | Error403: whats negatives? |
| 16:06:04 | Error403 | It's cool it has two pcmcia slots tho |
| 16:06:53 | Error403 | It comes pre-installed with Windows CE? I 'spose if you want to make money you'd have to do that, but that isn't the point ;) |
| 16:07:20 | wedge | so anyway... :) |
| 16:07:26 | wedge | do either of you have the wvlan_cs.o module? |
| 16:07:40 | prpplague | Error403: ohh no, thats just one way to order it, the company sells it blank for linux development |
| 16:08:03 | wedge | looks like the kernel current in the buildroot doesn't even bother with it cuz it's got support in orinoco... |
| 16:08:12 | wedge | but i can't get it to load orinoco when i pop the card in instead of wvlan_cs |
| 16:08:25 | Error403 | wishes his TuxScreen had Linux on it already |
| 16:08:27 | Error403 | ;) |
| 16:08:43 | wedge | heh |
| 16:08:57 | prpplague | wedge: sorry haven't got a build with the wvlan_cs right now |
| 16:09:02 | wedge | i'm very close to going absolutely crazy right now. |
| 16:09:08 | wedge | thanks for looking tho prpplague |
| 16:09:08 | Error403 | wedge: sweet |
| 16:19:51 | prpplague | howdy debug |
| 16:20:27 | wedge | man. |
| 16:20:35 | wedge | i'm gonna frickin go crazy here. |
| 16:20:40 | wedge | i know this frickin card is supported. |
| 16:20:50 | wedge | just getting it to work is an administrative nightmare |
| 16:20:53 | wedge | especially over minicom. |
| 16:23:20 | wedge | oh shit. |
| 16:23:24 | wedge | i hope this isn't bad. |
| 16:23:25 | wedge | heheeh. |
| 16:29:48 | wedge | holas, anderseen. |
| 16:29:59 | wedge | you gotten an 802.11 card working in yer tuxscreen yet? |
| 16:30:14 | wedge | do you wake up in the morning and hope i'll be logged on to ask you stupid questions? |
| 16:30:18 | wedge | grins. |
| 16:30:32 | andersee | heh |
| 16:30:55 | andersee | Nope. I don't own any 802.11b stuff. Yet.... Its on order... |
| 16:31:33 | wedge | i've got a linksys card that should work. |
| 16:31:37 | prpplague | andersee: do you find the pcmcia code and opts overly complicated? |
| 16:31:39 | wedge | i can use cardctl to verify it's 3.3v |
| 16:31:48 | wedge | it tries to load wvlan_cs |
| 16:31:59 | wedge | but the current source tree in cvs doesn't build wvlan_cs cuzi think it uses orinoco_cs |
| 16:32:04 | wedge | but i can't force it to try to load orinoco |
| 16:32:10 | wedge | if i could just get it to bring up the interface..... |
| 16:32:12 | wedge | but no eth0 yet :( |
| 16:32:14 | wedge | sobs. |
| 16:36:49 | wedge | my friend downloaded the kernel for my tuxscreen so i dunno where he got it.... at least the wireless pcmcia support seems to be there.. the cardmgr tries to load the modules etc... |
| 16:36:53 | wedge | just don't know why shit ain't workin. |
| 16:47:50 | andersee | prpplague: not too bad I supposed |
| 16:48:09 | andersee | s/supposed/suppose/ |
| 17:03:07 | wedge | andersee |
| 17:03:14 | wedge | you got a wvlan_cs.o module? |
| 17:03:41 | wedge | or do you have any idea what 'get dev info on socket 1 failed: Try again' may mean? |
| 17:03:55 | wedge | i've made all the wireless.opts config.opts etc associations.... |
| 17:26:54 | Error403 | hmmm |
| 17:28:08 | prpplague | is there anything special about using the rz command thats in the fs for the tuxscreen? |
| 17:34:08 | andersee | prpplague: I use minicom to connect to the device. Login and run 'rz', whereupon it waits for zmodem stuff.... |
| 17:34:27 | andersee | Then hit <meta>-S and select the file to send... |
| 17:34:41 | andersee | Then it send the file on over |
| 17:35:12 | andersee | wedge: no modules are built during the current kernel build |
| 17:54:32 | prpplague | andersee: ya thats what i normally do, however i get a minicom error "illegal command" after it tries to send the first block |
| 17:55:18 | prpplague | andersee: sorry "illegal instruction" |
| 17:57:35 | andersee | You have lrzsz installed on you desktop system? |
| 17:58:18 | prpplague | no |
| 17:58:50 | andersee | Well... install it. minicom doesn't implement zmodem. it relies on rz/sz for that |
| 17:59:02 | andersee | Install it and you will be happy |
| 17:59:15 | andersee | and rich |
| 17:59:18 | andersee | and goodlooking |
| 17:59:24 | andersee | Like me. :) |
| 18:03:48 | prpplague | ok, i'll check that out |
| 18:56:05 | andersee | Russ: you around? |
| 19:02:43 | Russ | yes |
| 19:05:16 | andersee | Any progress on the kernel? |
| 19:06:01 | Russ | not yet, going to lookup the addresses it's stuck at |
| 19:06:25 | andersee | I reworked the tuxscreen makefile last night, and I think it is now as clean as its going to get... So I'm going to need to start messing with something else in my free time now... |
| 19:06:44 | andersee | So its getting qedged? |
| 19:06:51 | andersee | err. wedged. |
| 19:06:57 | Russ | in mount |
| 19:07:45 | Russ | c0021cc4 T schedule |
| 19:08:07 | Russ | c012796c T __down_read |
| 19:08:21 | Russ | c004cf98 T get_super |
| 19:08:34 | Russ | c005d7b0 T sync_inodes |
| 19:08:51 | Russ | c0048f64 T fsync_dev |
| 19:08:51 | andersee | which rmk patch are you working against? I recall some mtd mismerged mentioned in -ac10-rmk3... |
| 19:09:10 | Russ | c005df64 T invalidate_device |
| 19:09:24 | Russ | c00be588 t mtdblock_release |
| 19:09:38 | Russ | c004f274 T blkdev_put |
| 19:09:53 | Russ | c004d4d0 t get_sb_bdev |
| 19:10:06 | Russ | c004dd30 T do_kern_mount |
| 19:10:20 | Russ | c0060c58 t do_add_mount |
| 19:10:31 | Russ | c0060e7c T do_mount |
| 19:10:41 | Russ | c0060fdc T sys_mount |
| 19:11:31 | Russ | anyway, thats the backtrace |
| 19:11:40 | Russ | yes, using ac10-rmk2-np1 |
| 19:12:02 | andersee | Hmm. Might be worth checking -rmk3 re the mtd mismerges... |
| 19:12:16 | andersee | could be that |
| 19:12:17 | Russ | hmm...that merged with nico though |
| 19:12:54 | andersee | Well, partly merged anyways... |
| 19:13:23 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: the new makefile seems to have a glitch it didn't copy the config file into the linux directory. |
| 19:13:58 | andersee | Didn't copy the config file, eh? Hmm lemme go take a look.... |
| 19:14:06 | SpaceCoaster | thanks |
| 19:15:20 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: Yup -- you found a live one -- the line doing the copy got lost.... |
| 19:16:25 | SpaceCoaster | yo, another bug bites the dust... |
| 19:16:47 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: cvs up Makefile |
| 19:21:13 | SpaceCoaster | looking good...make dep...compiling, thank you sir! |
| 19:21:29 | andersee | no problem |
| 19:44:44 | GoRK | andersee: did you get my message re: the new uClibc? |
| 19:44:51 | GoRK | err the updated uClibc |
| 19:53:50 | andersee | Yup... |
| 19:53:57 | andersee | Havn't done anything yet. |
| 19:54:26 | GoRK | perl gets an error when trying to compile also |
| 19:54:28 | GoRK | im tracking it down |
| 19:54:30 | andersee | The header file changes would likely have caused binary incompatibilities... So that bit is explainable... |
| 19:54:35 | GoRK | something else with a time function |
| 19:54:41 | GoRK | no this is with a recompile |
| 19:55:03 | andersee | There may be bits that still need cleanup to cope with the new header files. |
| 19:55:19 | andersee | Could you send me the full error msg? |
| 19:55:21 | andersee | email is fine |
| 19:56:38 | GoRK | of the perl compile problem or the __gettimeofday error? |
| 19:57:00 | andersee | yes |
| 19:57:36 | GoRK | well i dont have the __gettimeofday error but it's from line 50 of libutil/logwtmp.c |
| 20:06:15 | andersee | k, I've got that one fixed now. duh. My bad. |
| 20:07:24 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: got a moment to discuss one or two buildroot-tux issues? |
| 20:08:14 | andersee | k |
| 20:09:44 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: so whats up? |
| 20:09:52 | SpaceCoaster | mkjs.jffs2.c uses debug_msg(...), this breaks on gcc-2.95 |
| 20:11:08 | SpaceCoaster | gcvt.c: ndigit is declared as size_t my includes think its an int |
| 20:11:21 | andersee | Hmm. I have gcc 2.95.4 and it worked... |
| 20:11:43 | andersee | SpaceCoaster: Right. just fixed that... 'cvs up' :) |
| 20:12:26 | SpaceCoaster | i have gcc-arm-2.95.2-12e4, downloaded from somewhere or other |
| 20:13:11 | andersee | Whats the error msg look like? |
| 20:14:11 | GoRK | andersee what cvs server should i be getting uClibc from? oss.lineo.com:/var/cvs ? |
| 20:14:22 | andersee | GoRK: sure. |
| 20:14:22 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: mkfs.jffs2.c:25: warning: invalid character in macro parameter name |
| 20:14:34 | SpaceCoaster | andersee: mkfs.jffs2.c:25: badly punctuated parameter list in `#define' |
| 20:15:14 | andersee | GoRK: But there is a 1 hour lag before that is sync-ed to cvs.uclinux.org, which is the master... |
| 20:15:26 | GoRK | ok that explains a lot |
| 20:15:31 | andersee | GoRK: I just gave it a kick, so its synced now... |
| 20:16:44 | GoRK | also emailed you that perl compile error. something to do with time functions |
| 20:21:34 | prpplague | anyone working on fltk for arm? |
| 21:40:19 | prpplague | later folks |
| 22:10:42 | mallum | hi all |
| 22:11:55 | andersee | howdy |
| 22:12:07 | mallum | aloha mr andersee |
| 22:22:45 | andersee | greetings and salutations |
| 22:22:59 | andersee | Wilber -- saluwhat? |
| 22:23:11 | andersee | Charlotte -- Saluatations |
| 23:57:54 | BZFlag | is up in his new cube at work. |
| 23:59:46 | mallum | we dont really have cubes in the uk |