| 00:00:10 | wedge | i was hoping the 72pin sodimm may have meant 72 on each side |
| 00:00:25 | wedge | yeah. it has 0-71 on the front and 72-144 on the back. |
| 00:00:28 | wedge | won't work, eh? |
| 00:01:52 | andersee | Nope. |
| 00:04:21 | wedge | man.... |
| 00:04:33 | wedge | i was so stoked. |
| 00:04:42 | wedge | can we just pretend it'll work? and i'll be happy till i get home? |
| 00:09:37 | wedge | ah well. the other sodimm was a 32.. but it was also 144 pin. |
| 00:10:04 | wedge | what else uses 72 pin sodimms? |
| 00:10:09 | wedge | i'm sure i could find 'em elsewhere.... |
| 00:18:26 | wedge | thanks again russ, anderseen, bzflag, gork, et al. |
| 00:33:55 | sammy | morning all... |
| 01:40:59 | wedge | hey fellaz |
| 01:41:05 | wedge | you'll be rid of me soon i swear it... |
| 01:41:08 | wedge | but i might have good news. |
| 01:41:16 | wedge | i popped in my cisco aironet 340 |
| 01:41:21 | wedge | here's the message... |
| 01:41:35 | wedge | cardmgr[45]: socket 1: Aironet PC4800 |
| 01:41:41 | wedge | executing: 'modprobe airo' |
| 01:41:55 | wedge | + insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk20-uptblah blah |
| 01:42:03 | wedge | so it's trying to load the module... |
| 01:42:04 | wedge | and it recognizes the card. |
| 01:42:06 | wedge | is that anything? |
| 01:55:48 | andersee | If it recognizes the card, that is very good news... |
| 01:56:26 | andersee | It means you just need to get the driver in the kernel and you should be all set... |
| 01:58:39 | wedge | yeah |
| 01:58:42 | wedge | nice, man. |
| 01:58:46 | wedge | i thought this thing might be 3.3 capable |
| 01:58:48 | wedge | er 3.3v |
| 01:58:53 | wedge | just need the module.... |
| 01:58:58 | wedge | it's already looking for it. |
| 01:59:04 | wedge | and i think i may have the module at work. |
| 01:59:11 | wedge | only problem is, i have no way to get stuff onto my tuxscreen. |
| 01:59:41 | wedge | my friend set up a cross compiler today |
| 01:59:55 | wedge | and he's getting termcap/ncurses/minicom compiled to use the async port |
| 02:02:02 | andersee | wedge -- I used minicom + zmodem to send files into my phone last night. Works fine. |
| 02:02:12 | wedge | i'm sooo close to knocking on the neighbor's door to see if they have a CF card so i can transfer th emodule. heheheh. |
| 02:02:26 | wedge | minicom on yer tuxscreen? |
| 02:02:50 | andersee | nonono |
| 02:02:54 | wedge | ah. |
| 02:02:57 | wedge | *to* the tuxscreen |
| 02:03:01 | wedge | how do you receive them on teh tuxscreen end? |
| 02:03:36 | andersee | I run minicom on my PC. I log in. I 'cd /tmp'. Then I type 'rz'. It waits for zmodem files. |
| 02:03:51 | wedge | dude |
| 02:03:53 | wedge | you |
| 02:03:54 | wedge | the MAN. |
| 02:04:01 | andersee | Then I hit ALT-S in minicom, select the file to send. It sends it. |
| 02:04:05 | wedge | i'm serious |
| 02:04:07 | wedge | this is for all of you |
| 02:04:12 | wedge | next trip to san jose / san francisco |
| 02:04:13 | wedge | look me up |
| 02:04:27 | andersee | heh |
| 02:04:29 | andersee | :) |
| 02:04:47 | andersee | Next time you/your company needs a consultant -- look me up. :) |
| 02:04:48 | wedge | alright. |
| 02:05:31 | wedge | what do you do, andersee? |
| 02:05:36 | wedge | like what's yer day job? |
| 02:07:15 | wedge | hold that thought |
| 02:07:18 | wedge | rebooting into linux |
| 02:12:51 | wedge | ok. |
| 02:14:43 | andersee | wedge: well... I used to work for Lineo. |
| 02:15:11 | andersee | These days my job is running http://codepoet-consulting.com/ |
| 02:15:26 | wedge | nice, amigo. |
| 02:15:29 | wedge | actually. |
| 02:15:32 | wedge | you interested in moving to SV? |
| 02:15:37 | wedge | i've got a job for you :) |
| 02:15:54 | andersee | heh |
| 02:16:13 | wedge | yer an embedded c guy? |
| 02:16:20 | andersee | My wife's family all live in the Salt Lake area, and she is kindof partial to staying... |
| 02:16:23 | wedge | ah. |
| 02:16:34 | andersee | wedge: Well, I maintain uClibc and busybox... |
| 02:16:53 | andersee | So yeah, I'm an embedded C guy (and other things) |
| 02:17:54 | wedge | we're doing a multicontext mips chip.. |
| 02:18:02 | wedge | another network service processor shop |
| 02:18:06 | wedge | but our concept is compatability |
| 02:18:15 | wedge | all the smp shit be invisible to the applications |
| 02:18:45 | wedge | we've got a few guys working on getting NetBSD going on our chip... |
| 02:18:57 | wedge | got all of the network protocol stacks going that matter.. |
| 02:19:02 | wedge | ospf, bgp, is-is |
| 02:19:10 | wedge | ripv2, etc. |
| 02:19:50 | wedge | ok. |
| 02:19:53 | wedge | one last stupid question. |
| 02:20:39 | andersee | cool |
| 02:20:57 | andersee | Well, If you find you need help or wanna outsource stuff... |
| 02:23:00 | wedge | we've got a few telecommuters. |
| 02:23:11 | wedge | man. |
| 02:23:15 | wedge | is it impossible to break rz? |
| 02:24:54 | wedge | ok. another stupid question... man. i'm full of 'em.. i'm gonna need to compile this aironet module under a cross compiler, right? |
| 02:24:59 | wedge | then zmodem it on there? |
| 02:26:34 | wedge | or is there a pre-built kernel out there that will work on this thing with aironet support already built in? |
| 02:29:04 | andersee | rz will time out... dunno if you can break it. |
| 02:29:14 | wedge | yeah.. i just wax it from the terminal i've got open via minicom |
| 02:29:15 | wedge | heheh. |
| 02:29:28 | wedge | man. i efel like i'm just a module away from having 802.11 working on this puppy |
| 02:30:01 | andersee | The buildroot thingee compiles up the kernel (and the root filesystem)... You could grab that and just tweak the .config |
| 02:30:54 | wedge | where can i find that? |
| 02:30:57 | wedge | sorry for being clueless... |
| 02:31:49 | Aelhaz | Evenin |
| 02:32:16 | wedge | evenin |
| 02:34:10 | wedge | ooh. |
| 02:34:12 | wedge | found it. |
| 02:35:11 | wedge | the pcmcia-cs stuff is just the card services crap. i guess i don't need that. |
| 02:37:38 | wedge | i'm logged into cvs... |
| 02:37:45 | wedge | but i need to get the buildroot stuff... |
| 02:40:07 | andersee | Hi BZ |
| 02:40:46 | andersee | I stopped by CompUSA, and have added some cards the the PCMCIA list. |
| 02:40:53 | BZFlag | cvs -z3 |
| 02:40:53 | BZFlag | -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.tuxscreen.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/tuxscreen |
| 02:40:53 | BZFlag | co buildroot-tux |
| 02:40:59 | wedge | got it, bzflag. |
| 02:41:00 | wedge | thanks amigo. |
| 02:41:02 | wedge | btw |
| 02:41:06 | wedge | it looks like my cisco card may work |
| 02:41:10 | wedge | aironet 340 |
| 02:41:17 | wedge | i checked out the buildroot tree... |
| 02:41:23 | wedge | the make is ftp'ing the kernel source now... |
| 02:41:33 | wedge | man.. major props to whoever set up this dev environment. |
| 02:41:39 | andersee | Do you have a arm-linux-gcc cross compiler? |
| 02:41:48 | andersee | bows |
| 02:41:52 | wedge | er |
| 02:41:56 | wedge | um |
| 02:41:59 | wedge | uh. |
| 02:42:09 | andersee | Read the README file? |
| 02:42:12 | wedge | like http://www.emdebian.org/crossdev.html |
| 02:42:36 | wedge | i can install those i386 rpms for the arm cross compile, no? |
| 02:43:06 | BZFlag | yes |
| 02:43:58 | BZFlag | the arm targeting ones, not the powerpc ones. ;-) |
| 02:44:13 | wedge | hehehe |
| 02:44:29 | wedge | s'ok. assuming i'm a tard is typically safe. |
| 02:44:47 | wedge | man. i wanna get these rpms done before this make finished the kernel source download. heheheh... |
| 02:45:01 | wedge | ^finished^finishes |
| 02:45:53 | wedge | YES. heheheh.... |
| 02:47:43 | wedge | gotta love 1.1 megabit dsl |
| 02:49:20 | wedge | so like.. when are the tuxscreen tshirts comin out? :) |
| 02:49:39 | Aelhaz | Anybody wanna recommend a DNS server package? I need to set up a dns server and, while I know it pretty well, I don't feel like using the buggy internet name daemon |
| 02:50:02 | wedge | openbsd comes with a pretty modified bind distribution. |
| 02:50:22 | wedge | all execve's n'shit .. pretty safe from buffer overflows... |
| 02:51:07 | Aelhaz | has to run on my existing linux firewall |
| 02:51:27 | Aelhaz | I tried openbsd once, didn't like it |
| 02:51:34 | wedge | i'm just saying grab the source. |
| 02:52:03 | wedge | i see if you check out . instead of buildroot-tux... you get a .config .... |
| 02:52:10 | wedge | then it downloads the linux kernel source... |
| 02:52:13 | wedge | i didn't see cuz it spammed by... |
| 02:52:16 | wedge | which .config does it use? |
| 02:52:31 | wedge | ls |
| 02:52:35 | wedge | heh. |
| 02:52:48 | andersee | wedge: one known to work... in sources/*config* |
| 02:52:56 | wedge | gotcha. |
| 02:53:04 | wedge | just grepped it out of the makefile. |
| 02:53:04 | wedge | sorry. |
| 02:54:10 | Aelhaz | wedge: I have one tiny little domain . . . It's not security I'm concerned about, it's bloat / sillyness |
| 02:54:17 | Aelhaz | I don't like the way bind8 works |
| 02:55:12 | Aelhaz | it's like a constant malfunction that just incedentally happens to get the job done |
| 02:56:57 | wedge | heheeh |
| 02:57:01 | wedge | nice description. |
| 02:57:08 | wedge | i've been using it for quite a few years now and it seems to be ok. |
| 02:57:54 | wedge | served up dns for a half a million subscribers at netcom with it... a few thousand in CA... |
| 02:59:49 | Aelhaz | it's too big for what I'm doing, at the very least |
| 02:59:57 | wedge | ah. |
| 03:00:08 | Aelhaz | currently the firewall is an alpha with 32 megs of ram |
| 03:00:13 | Aelhaz | a slow alpha |
| 03:00:22 | wedge | my friend wrote a stripped down name server.. |
| 03:00:22 | wedge | one sec. |
| 03:00:35 | Aelhaz | bind would quadruple the processor load . . |
| 03:00:54 | wedge | heheh. |
| 03:00:59 | wedge | lemme see what i can find for ya. |
| 03:02:03 | Aelhaz | djbdns sounds reasonable enough aside from the bulk of crap required to compile and install |
| 03:02:13 | wedge | heheh |
| 03:02:19 | Aelhaz | this box takes hours to compile a kernel |
| 03:02:32 | wedge | i just picked up a 750... cross compilin is goin pretty quickly. |
| 03:02:32 | Aelhaz | I'm not terribly interested in compiling djb's own programming libs, etc |
| 03:02:40 | wedge | i just need a module for this pcmcia card tho |
| 03:02:41 | Aelhaz | this is an old multia |
| 03:02:45 | wedge | nice! |
| 03:02:48 | wedge | haven't seen one of those in a while. |
| 03:02:52 | wedge | what's the clock on it? |
| 03:02:56 | Aelhaz | 166mhz |
| 03:03:02 | wedge | sweet |
| 03:03:04 | Aelhaz | it's a 21066 |
| 03:03:17 | BZFlag | http://tinydns.org/ |
| 03:03:18 | Aelhaz | uptime is a little over 300 days |
| 03:03:56 | wedge | nice |
| 03:04:07 | wedge | i've got a solaris 2.5.1 machine in my closet that almost hit 500 days before i had to move it. |
| 03:04:16 | wedge | i had a mac IIci that would've broken it too |
| 03:04:21 | Aelhaz | been up since i installed the ups it's plugged into, basically |
| 03:04:26 | wedge | ran NetBSD 1.2.1 |
| 03:04:29 | wedge | right on. |
| 03:04:38 | wedge | it's nice when your machines uptime indicate how long you live in a place. hehehe. |
| 03:04:40 | wedge | i think. |
| 03:04:43 | wedge | well.. maybe not. heheeh. |
| 03:05:09 | wedge | any ideas exactly which files i'll need for the module for this card since the card services seem to acknowledge it,e tc? it looks like it's just looking for airo.o |
| 03:05:24 | Aelhaz | I have a IIcx here, I don't think it has the right mmu to run anything unixish . . . |
| 03:05:27 | Aelhaz | I stole the simms out of it anyway |
| 03:05:39 | wedge | yeah |
| 03:05:42 | wedge | the IIcx will run NetBSD |
| 03:05:44 | wedge | i'm pretty sure. |
| 03:05:47 | wedge | heh |
| 03:05:53 | wedge | yeah. 30 pin simms are still fairly useful. |
| 03:10:57 | wedge | cross yer fingers fellaz |
| 03:11:02 | wedge | if this works, i'll.... |
| 03:11:03 | wedge | man. |
| 03:11:05 | wedge | i dunno what i'll do |
| 03:11:10 | wedge | i'm sure i'll start by peeing in my pants. |
| 03:11:18 | wedge | after that, i guess it doesn't matter. |
| 03:15:34 | wedge | i get: |
| 03:15:41 | wedge | airo_cs: RequestConfiguration: Bad Vcc |
| 03:15:51 | wedge | but i got that before i added the airo.o in /lib/modules |
| 03:16:00 | wedge | hrm.... |
| 03:17:50 | wedge | must... cross compile.... strace .... |
| 03:18:22 | Russ | no |
| 03:18:29 | Russ | I think the card requires 5V |
| 03:18:34 | Russ | the tuxscreen only does 3.3V |
| 03:18:44 | wedge | but it sees the card, loads the module... |
| 03:18:57 | wedge | sure it wont' do 3.3 and 5? |
| 03:19:05 | Russ | "Bad Vcc" |
| 03:19:06 | wedge | it's failing on the config... |
| 03:19:08 | wedge | yeah. |
| 03:19:10 | wedge | what's that? :) |
| 03:19:26 | wedge | airo_cs: RequestConfiguration: Bad Vcc |
| 03:19:31 | wedge | i think it's just looking for the airo_cs config file |
| 03:19:38 | wedge | course, i'd know had i cross compiled strace already. |
| 03:19:40 | andersee | fixes busybox df so it shows ramfs the way it is supposed to |
| 03:21:41 | andersee | Ahh. Much better |
| 03:21:43 | andersee | # ./busybox df |
| 03:21:43 | andersee | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 03:21:43 | andersee | /dev/mtdblock2 3072 1268 1804 41% / |
| 03:21:43 | andersee | ramfs 0 0 0 0% /var |
| 03:22:44 | andersee | thinks the ramfs filesystem is broken wrt statfs() |
| 03:23:10 | Russ | well....fix it |
| 03:23:15 | Aelhaz | wedge: I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and suggest that the error means the airo_cs driver attempted to set 5v, which aint there |
| 03:23:48 | Aelhaz | wedge: or that it takes issue with the way that we all know it's all 3.3v, but cardctl status says they're 5v, which has got to be a bug . . . |
| 03:23:53 | andersee | # pwd |
| 03:23:54 | andersee | # mount |
| 03:23:54 | andersee | /dev/mtdblock2 on / type jffs2 (rw) |
| 03:23:54 | andersee | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 03:23:55 | andersee | ramfs on /var type ramfs (rw) |
| 03:23:57 | andersee | # ls -la ./busybox |
| 03:23:59 | andersee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 365356 Sep 28 2001 ./busybox |
| 03:24:01 | andersee | # du -h ./busybox |
| 03:24:03 | andersee | 0 ./busybox |
| 03:24:05 | andersee | wierd |
| 03:24:18 | wedge | looking at the main page from the kernel source... |
| 03:24:24 | wedge | says it creates a /proc/aironet/eth* |
| 03:24:33 | wedge | i've got /proc/drivers/aironet |
| 03:24:37 | wedge | but it didn't create /proc/aironet |
| 03:24:40 | wedge | keep in mind |
| 03:24:46 | wedge | all i did was copy the airo.o over into the /lib/modules dir |
| 03:24:50 | wedge | i'm sure i've missed something. |
| 03:24:55 | wedge | anyone got strace compiled for this thing? |
| 03:25:02 | wedge | so i can be lazy and bum it off of ya? |
| 03:26:26 | Russ | strace would do what? |
| 03:26:39 | wedge | show me exactly what cardmgr was trying to open |
| 03:27:06 | wedge | strace -f -etrace=open -p `ps auxww | grep cardmgr | grep -v | awk '{print $2}'` |
| 03:28:03 | wedge | aelhaz: yer prolly right. |
| 03:28:07 | wedge | i'm not gonna give up till i know fer sure tho :) |
| 03:35:18 | wedge | er |
| 03:35:19 | wedge | ok |
| 03:36:06 | andersee | Russ: Your phone up and accessible? |
| 03:37:36 | BZFlag | wedge you will need awk too. |
| 03:37:52 | BZFlag | andersee: does busybox df on ramfs work on your desktop? |
| 03:38:00 | wedge | yep. heheh. |
| 03:38:03 | BZFlag | you liked my bug report then? ;-) |
| 03:38:08 | andersee | BZFlag: Have a phone up I can have you test something on? |
| 03:38:23 | BZFlag | no, but got a few nearby. whatcha need? |
| 03:38:57 | wedge | what's the equivalent of 'plumb' for ifconfig under linux? |
| 03:39:06 | andersee | Could you cd into /var, dd from /dev/zero to some file so it take up some space (say 1 Meg). Then try ls -l, and du on it |
| 03:39:44 | BZFlag | wedge: ifconfig eth0 up or ifconfig eth0 down does the up down, and modprobe/rmmod does more than plumb. ;-) |
| 03:40:29 | wedge | ugh. |
| 03:40:36 | andersee | Just checking to be sure I didn't hosed up libc last night.. |
| 03:40:37 | wedge | well i can't bring up the int..... |
| 03:40:44 | wedge | i tried just upping it |
| 03:40:58 | BZFlag | wedge: do ifconfig -a to see all of them |
| 03:41:02 | wedge | but like under SVR4.. you plumb shit with ifconfig to associate the interface with the device driver. |
| 03:41:06 | wedge | yeah. just see loopback. |
| 03:41:10 | wedge | the module is loaded tho |
| 03:41:14 | wedge | i'm sure that doesn't mean shit tho :) |
| 03:41:27 | wedge | # lsmod |
| 03:41:27 | wedge | Module Size Used by |
| 03:41:27 | wedge | airo 33820 0 (unused) |
| 03:41:30 | BZFlag | the module did not init if there is no entry in ifconfig -a |
| 03:41:37 | wedge | yeah.... |
| 03:41:40 | BZFlag | used is 0 |
| 03:41:48 | wedge | it didn't complain tho except for the BadVcc bit |
| 03:43:03 | BZFlag | # ls -l foo |
| 03:43:03 | BZFlag | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1048576 Jan 1 00:01 foo |
| 03:43:03 | BZFlag | # du foo |
| 03:43:03 | BZFlag | 0 foo |
| 03:43:29 | andersee | k. |
| 03:43:36 | andersee | kernel wierdness then. thx |
| 03:44:02 | BZFlag | wedge: you probably need to associate the driver with the card in a /etc/pcmcia/airo.conf file. |
| 03:44:14 | BZFlag | then stop/start pcmcia services and insert the card. |
| 03:44:23 | wedge | right on. |
| 03:44:27 | wedge | i'm lookin. |
| 03:44:28 | BZFlag | andersee: checking debian arm, same kernel... |
| 03:44:29 | wedge | if this works.. |
| 03:44:31 | wedge | i'll be a happy man. |
| 03:47:53 | wedge | in my /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 03:47:54 | wedge | i have: |
| 03:47:55 | wedge | device "airo_cs" |
| 03:47:55 | wedge | class "network" module "airo", "airo_cs" |
| 03:47:56 | BZFlag | shannon:/mnt/ramfs# ls -l foo |
| 03:47:57 | BZFlag | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1048576 Sep 27 22:49 foo |
| 03:47:57 | BZFlag | shannon:/mnt/ramfs# df foo |
| 03:47:57 | BZFlag | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 03:47:57 | BZFlag | ramfs 0 0 0 - /mnt/ramfs |
| 03:47:57 | BZFlag | shannon:/mnt/ramfs# du foo |
| 03:47:59 | BZFlag | 0 foo |
| 03:48:01 | wedge | sorry. |
| 03:48:03 | BZFlag | from debian-arm |
| 03:48:51 | BZFlag | wedge: you need a: |
| 03:49:00 | BZFlag | card "Whatever" |
| 03:49:17 | BZFlag | manfil 0xdeaf 0xfood |
| 03:49:27 | BZFlag | bind "airo_cs" |
| 03:49:33 | wedge | right |
| 03:49:38 | BZFlag | er manfid |
| 03:49:41 | wedge | is airo_cs an actual airo_cs.o that should be in /lib/modules? |
| 03:50:02 | BZFlag | well it would be easier to use airo in all places... |
| 03:50:15 | wedge | nods. |
| 03:50:16 | BZFlag | andersee: got that? |
| 03:52:25 | wedge | looks like i'm just missing some /etc/pcmcia/network.opts entries. |
| 03:52:56 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ sudo /bin/mount -t ramfs ramfs /opt |
| 03:52:58 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ ./busybox df |
| 03:52:58 | andersee | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 03:52:58 | andersee | /dev/hda3 19037172 10215980 8627784 54% / |
| 03:52:58 | andersee | /dev/hda2 60503 21812 35567 38% /boot |
| 03:52:58 | andersee | ramfs 31212 0 31212 0% /opt |
| 03:52:59 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ ll /opt |
| 03:53:01 | andersee | total 4 |
| 03:53:03 | andersee | drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Sep 27 22:53 ./ |
| 03:53:05 | andersee | drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 Dec 18 2000 ../ |
| 03:53:07 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ |
| 03:53:09 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ sudo umount /opt |
| 03:53:11 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ |
| 03:53:13 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ sudo /bin/mount -t ramfs ramfs /opt |
| 03:53:15 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ ./busybox df |
| 03:53:17 | andersee | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 03:53:19 | andersee | /dev/hda3 19037172 10215980 8627784 54% / |
| 03:53:21 | andersee | /dev/hda2 60503 21812 35567 38% /boot |
| 03:53:23 | andersee | ramfs 31212 0 31212 0% /opt |
| 03:53:24 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ df |
| 03:53:26 | andersee | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 03:53:28 | andersee | /dev/hda3 18G 9.8G 8.2G 55% / |
| 03:53:30 | andersee | /dev/hda2 59M 22M 34M 39% /boot |
| 03:53:32 | andersee | ramfs 30M 0 30M 0% /opt |
| 03:53:34 | andersee | [andersen@winder busybox]$ uname -a |
| 03:53:37 | andersee | Linux winder 2.4.9-ac10-rmk1 #1 Wed Sep 19 22:30:24 MDT 2001 armv4l unknown |
| 03:53:40 | andersee | Looks like newer kernels fix it... |
| 03:54:26 | BZFlag | got 64M of ram? |
| 03:55:01 | BZFlag | I seem to recall that ramfs is supposed to just use half of memory. |
| 03:55:01 | wedge | who, me? |
| 03:55:07 | BZFlag | no andersee |
| 03:55:07 | wedge | oh. |
| 03:55:23 | andersee | yup. 64Meg on my netwinder. |
| 03:55:28 | BZFlag | wedge: the default network.opts should be ok. |
| 03:55:53 | BZFlag | andersee: did you have to patch bb to get ramfs displayed on the new kernel too? |
| 03:56:42 | andersee | nope. since size was !=0 |
| 04:09:38 | wedge | man. you work it, bzflag :) |
| 04:09:43 | wedge | the only thing that seems missing.. |
| 04:09:53 | wedge | is the subdirectories in /proc/drivers/aironet for the interfaces. |
| 04:10:07 | wedge | i've read up on the web pages of the guys writing the airo.c for linux.... |
| 04:10:20 | wedge | what would create these dirs under /proc tho? |
| 04:12:07 | Aelhaz | airo_cs.o would create them |
| 04:12:11 | andersee | perhaps you should flash the kernel you compiled when producing that airo module... |
| 04:13:05 | wedge | that's a thought.. |
| 04:13:16 | wedge | but i compiled the kernel straight out of teh buildroot-tux |
| 04:13:19 | wedge | from the cvs tree |
| 04:13:25 | wedge | so it should be practically the same. |
| 04:13:34 | wedge | i'll try that tho. |
| 04:23:46 | wedge | we now arrive at the time of the evening where wedge begins drinking and becoming incoherent. |
| 04:24:29 | wedge | shoze yoush jush pop the koinel right in there and itsh perfit? |
| 04:39:05 | Aelhaz | well, tinydns doesn't seem too awful to work with . . . |
| 04:39:20 | wedge | cool. |
| 04:39:23 | wedge | i'm outta here fellaz. |
| 04:39:24 | wedge | g'night |
| 04:39:26 | wedge | thanks for all yer help |
| 05:14:46 | Lenolium | Mmmm... Tuxscreen looks very, very tasty. |
| 05:15:04 | Lenolium | Who developed these things? and why are they so cheap? |
| 05:15:22 | Lenolium | Oh, and how much work would it be to put a VOIP stack on these guys? |
| 05:15:27 | Lenolium | (so many questions...) |
| 05:15:34 | andersee | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SomeHistory |
| 05:16:17 | Lenolium | Woah. Hey, I won't even need to pay shipping. If Mr Riker doesn't mind me stopping by his place. |
| 05:16:37 | andersee | you live in provo/orem? |
| 05:16:49 | Lenolium | Salt Lake City. |
| 05:16:49 | Meatsicle | hello |
| 05:17:12 | andersee | Lenolium: me too |
| 05:17:31 | Lenolium | I was hoping to buy one of these to prove my ability to hack on embedded systems, and hopefully land me a job in that feild, because unfortunately right now I'm stuck in web apps. |
| 05:17:45 | Lenolium | andersee: UTW.COM??? |
| 05:18:09 | BZFlag | sure. call me and drop by Lineo to pick one (or more) up. |
| 05:19:28 | andersee | Lenolium: whats utw.com? |
| 05:19:37 | BZFlag | http://www.lineo.com/company/landmap_driving.html |
| 05:20:44 | BZFlag | andersee: an ISP, though I don't know why that is relevant. |
| 05:21:35 | Lenolium | andersee: It was an old ISP I worked for, I worked with a guy named Aaron Anderson, just wondered if you happened to be him with a bizarre nic. :) |
| 05:22:07 | andersee | Nope... I'm "Erik Andersen" |
| 05:22:12 | Lenolium | BZFlag: I want to buy like, half a dozen or so, but I don't have the money... so, I'll have to wait till next week and just pick up one. |
| 05:23:04 | Lenolium | BZFlag: Unless you want to hire me at Lineo and just take them out of my wages. ;) |
| 05:23:09 | BZFlag | Lenolium: no problem over 900 left. just be sure to tell be a day before so I can bring enough into work. |
| 05:23:39 | BZFlag | Lenolium: not likely. we just have big layoffs. ask andersee, who used to work next to me. |
| 05:23:51 | BZFlag | s/have/had/ |
| 05:23:58 | Lenolium | eep. |
| 05:24:28 | BZFlag | though andersee might be making more contracting now. ;-) |
| 05:24:55 | Lenolium | So, any words of advice to someone wanting to get into the very difficult world of embedded systems programming? |
| 05:25:25 | BZFlag | do it for fun first. If it makes money later, that's a bonus. |
| 05:26:44 | Lenolium | Hehe. Curses, and I wanted out of the web application market.... Oh well, I guess one of these things is a good way to start. |
| 05:32:57 | BZFlag | I spoke at SLLUG and PLUG and presented these. |
| 05:33:13 | BZFlag | I will likely be speaking at UVSCLUG soon too. |
| 05:33:34 | BZFlag | hmm... and perhaps UUG as well, if they ask. |
| 05:33:56 | Lenolium | Now, what do you thing the actual chances of getting VOIP on these things? (I mean, can the dsp read and write directly to the handset?) |
| 05:34:05 | BZFlag | http://sllug.org/ http://plug.org/ http://uvsclug.org/ http://uug.clubs.byu.edu/ |
| 05:34:36 | BZFlag | Lenolium: Lucent has them working with VoIP now. so the hardware is capable. we don't have that code though. |
| 05:34:56 | BZFlag | but we think we have enough docs to get there. |
| 05:35:00 | Lenolium | BZFlag: Ahh.. cool. |
| 05:35:11 | Lenolium | REALLY wants to help. |
| 05:35:17 | BZFlag | it's all on the wiki. ;-) |
| 05:35:26 | Lenolium | Yah, I've been scanning through it. |
| 05:35:54 | Lenolium | has a love/hate relationship with wiki's They are good at providing information, but the structure of it sucks. |
| 05:38:58 | BZFlag | true. good for searching, bad for browsing. |
| 05:39:15 | Lenolium | BZFlag: Any discounts for local/multiple purchases? :) |
| 05:39:23 | BZFlag | no. |
| 05:40:01 | BZFlag | I've had offers for 1000 units and I told them the same. I hope to sell them in small quantities to many hackers. |
| 05:40:13 | Lenolium | Cool. Sounds good. |
| 05:40:42 | BZFlag | I think I'll offer price hikes for volume purchases. 1 for $99, or 10 for $1200 |
| 05:42:56 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 05:47:35 | scanline | is away: time for bed |
| 05:49:07 | Lenolium | was just about to see if he could find scanline... |
| 06:24:15 | scanline | just got back from the shower and noticed lenolium's message |
| 06:24:45 | Lenolium | scanline: I was just reading up on PicoGUI, and was wondering how the terminal was coming. |
| 06:25:29 | scanline | The terminal still isn't fully VT100 compatible, and it isn't very efficient |
| 06:25:47 | scanline | Also, you can't customize the colors via a theme yet. |
| 06:26:30 | scanline | The client-side pterm app is basically done, but the terminal widget that actually implements most of it could use some work |
| 06:26:49 | Lenolium | Hrm... I think the real question is: can it do mutt. :) |
| 06:27:11 | scanline | probably not... let me check real quick... |
| 06:27:24 | Lenolium | scanline: Well, as soon as I get one of these tuxscreens, I'll help out if you get me started. |
| 06:27:32 | scanline | cool |
| 06:27:50 | scanline | I don't have mutt installed... but I wouln't think it would work. It still barfs on most editor-like programs |
| 06:28:08 | scanline | You can turn on a debug option that will catch and print all unrecognized escape codes |
| 06:28:25 | scanline | that plus a VT102 reference should help |
| 06:28:40 | Lenolium | wants to help, really, I just need to wait two weeks until I get some money. |
| 06:28:45 | scanline | (I implemented it based on a subset of the codes in the console_codes manpage) |
| 06:28:59 | Lenolium | Ahh. |
| 06:29:05 | scanline | Lenolium: I understand :) I just got the money to order mine this week |
| 06:29:29 | Lenolium | wants to put one in every room in the house... if only I was rich. |
| 06:29:36 | scanline | heh. It looks like there's a bug in the terminal's cursor too |
| 06:29:41 | scanline | it's gone :) |
| 06:30:49 | scanline | well, I should get some sleep |
| 06:31:36 | scanline | is away: sleeping |
| 06:36:39 | GoRK | hmm also the terminal doesnt even work on arm for whatever reason |
| 06:51:58 | Lenolium | is away: Sleep |
| 06:57:55 | GoRK | just took his phone apart |
| 06:58:15 | GoRK | man it is easy to see why these things flopped. the design of the boards and everything sucks |
| 06:58:39 | GoRK | all this stuff should be on one board and all the jacks, ringers, ir, etc should all be surface mounted |
| 06:58:50 | GoRK | err mounted to the board |
| 06:59:06 | GoRK | the amount of human time to assemble these things must have been immense |
| 07:02:23 | BZFlag | remember this was early 1998 |
| 07:04:59 | GoRK | it is still absurd :) i havent seen this many dangly wires since I made a wirewrap project |
| 07:05:16 | GoRK | btw my comm board is rev e issue 3 and the touchscreen works |
| 07:05:19 | GoRK | so that's not it either |
| 07:05:28 | GoRK | my mainboard is also rev 3 issue 3 |
| 07:05:41 | GoRK | i wonder if i should post some info from the actual LCD |
| 07:06:55 | BZFlag | heh. you ought to see some of the boards I work on at work. so many patches some look like a parts bin. |
| 07:08:02 | GoRK | but they aren't the 3rd revision of the 5th design of the same unit either :) |
| 07:08:30 | GoRK | i suppose i can't dog on it too much. it was cheap, right :) |
| 07:11:23 | GoRK | hmm that mainboard from your scan is rev e issue 3 also |
| 07:11:26 | BZFlag | be glad you didn't pay $650 for it. ;-) |
| 07:11:39 | GoRK | and the touchscreen on that one does not work, right? |
| 07:11:47 | BZFlag | the scanned board is my non-working unit, yes. |
| 07:13:29 | GoRK | are there higher resolution scans somewhere? i thought i had seen some at one point |
| 07:13:56 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/print/ <- different unit. |
| 07:14:00 | GoRK | if there is a physical difference, it's probably a chip somewhere |
| 07:14:10 | GoRK | does that unit have a working touchscreen or no? |
| 07:14:20 | BZFlag | still has Inferno on it. |
| 07:14:28 | GoRK | hmm |
| 07:18:05 | GoRK | no dice |
| 07:18:24 | GoRK | well perhaps the phone i have to JTAG will have a non working touchscreen and ill have two to compare |
| 07:19:45 | GoRK | maybe i can even swap screen, comm board, mainboard between phones to determine where the offending part is |
| 07:22:22 | BZFlag | hmmm... hadn't thought of that. good idea! |
| 07:22:38 | BZFlag | has a working and a non-working phone. |
| 07:24:20 | GoRK | if you put the same flash on both it'd quickly tell you if it's something on the screen, the comm board or the mainboard and then you could go checking for chip revisions if it is the mainboard which it probably is and if they are the same board revs which they probably are... then all we gotta do is get a datasheet on whatever stupid support chip is causing it and then it'll tell us what we are doing wrong!!!! <--master plan |
| 07:24:58 | BZFlag | yep. now all I need is some time... |
| 07:25:09 | BZFlag | is still preparing tomorrow's orders |
| 07:25:41 | GoRK | you should dedicate one or two days a week for processing orders and not ship every day |
| 07:26:16 | GoRK | might be a little more efficient for a one man show ...\ |
| 07:26:24 | BZFlag | yeah, now that things have slowed down a bit I might do that. I've been thinking along those lines. |
| 07:27:07 | BZFlag | shipping mon,wed,fri for example. |
| 07:27:25 | BZFlag | if things slow more.. then reduce further. |
| 07:28:15 | GoRK | if i get this pbx project kicked off properly, perhaps they will pick back up again :) |
| 07:29:01 | GoRK | god save you from a second slashdotting if they decide to report about how you can get a $500 linux-based pbx that does all sorts of crazy junk %-\ |
| 07:30:09 | GoRK | hmm i guess that thing that is in that foam/rubber muffler is the ringer. it must be really loud |
| 07:35:51 | BZFlag | that's the mic, no? |
| 07:36:30 | BZFlag | yes. definitly the mic. |
| 07:38:24 | GoRK | i thought the mic was surface mount on the keypad board |
| 07:38:32 | GoRK | hmm |
| 07:38:34 | GoRK | ok yeah |
| 07:38:42 | GoRK | it would be stupid if it didnt ring out of the speaker |
| 07:40:29 | BZFlag | just being stupid does not mean is not that way. ;-/ |
| 07:40:42 | BZFlag | but in this case, I think they did the right thing. |
| 07:41:36 | GoRK | i see the real mic hole on the bottom of the phone now |
| 07:44:29 | andersee | BZFlag: does your dell laptop suspend/resume properly? |
| 07:50:43 | BZFlag | yes, except for the key repeat rate. |
| 07:51:59 | BZFlag | oh, and go to bed. ;-) |
| 07:52:06 | GoRK | BZFlag: are there good instructions somewhere on doing a pivot_root debian install? |
| 07:53:21 | GoRK | i'm thinking i need to set up the nfs debian-arm |
| 07:53:44 | GoRK | so i can do fun stuff like compile things natively |
| 07:54:34 | andersee | BZFlag: what model is your dell? |
| 07:54:44 | andersee | Mine doesn't like suspending... |
| 07:54:56 | BZFlag | 5000e |
| 07:55:08 | GoRK | andersee: what OS? linux? |
| 07:55:24 | BZFlag | I needed a firmware update to get apm to work. |
| 07:56:22 | BZFlag | the kernel used to segfault on boot if apm was turned on. bios 32 bit apm interface was broken. win* uses the acpi (bloated) interface only. |
| 07:56:30 | andersee | Hmm. Maybe I need a firmware update too. |
| 07:56:49 | andersee | GoRK: Linux 2.4.9-ac16 |
| 07:56:51 | BZFlag | they may have done silly things like drop apm on newer models |
| 07:56:53 | GoRK | you'd think by now linux would have a full implementation of userspace ACPI stuff. bleh. how stupid. i mean i can turn on 'thermal management' under acpi but damned if there's going to be any software that can tell the laptop when to crank up the fan. my vaio runs almost twice as hot in linux as in windows |
| 07:58:06 | BZFlag | on ia64 you can't boot without setting up acpi. |
| 07:58:35 | GoRK | well it's about time someone wrote some code then :) |
| 07:58:45 | BZFlag | andersee: what model is your's again? |
| 08:03:18 | BZFlag | C800, right? looks like dell has a kernel patch "someplace" for apm and possibly your hacked maestro sound card too. |
| 08:03:25 | BZFlag | good luck |
| 08:03:26 | andersee | C800 |
| 08:03:35 | andersee | sounds works fine |
| 08:03:41 | BZFlag | hmmm |
| 08:04:05 | andersee | goes to update the firmware |
| 08:04:15 | BZFlag | it's a maestro 3, no? |
| 08:04:34 | andersee | A maestro something 'er other.... |
| 08:04:59 | GoRK | BZFlag: is all i have to do to get debian running unpack the base2_2.tgz file into a directory that i switch_root nfs mount from the tux and then just do a normal debian install? |
| 08:05:49 | GoRK | err normal install of packages |
| 08:05:50 | BZFlag | GoRK: I never got the boot floppies to work, so I deleted hmm... /sbin/unconfigured.sh I think. and manually setup some packages. |
| 08:06:26 | GoRK | you installed initially into potato or testing? |
| 08:06:39 | BZFlag | potato |
| 08:07:35 | GoRK | hmm well here goes |
| 08:07:39 | GoRK | whoops have to reboot first |
| 08:07:54 | BZFlag | I tried unstable a few times, but never got dependancies resolved. |
| 08:08:08 | BZFlag | so I'm still on potato (only on arm) |
| 08:08:58 | andersee | runs potato on his NetWinder |
| 08:17:24 | GoRK | ok think i got it started. now to put it in /linuxrc and reboot |
| 08:33:14 | GoRK | hey bz what do you have in your debian's /linuxrc ? |
| 08:33:59 | BZFlag | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:34:00 | BZFlag | echo "made it to /linuxrc!" |
| 08:34:00 | BZFlag | #/bin/sh |
| 08:34:00 | BZFlag | exec /sbin/init |
| 08:35:30 | GoRK | ahh how clever! |
| 08:36:48 | BZFlag | it just needs to be there so that you exec somthing that execs something else. the first will still have the old root fs locked, then second will not. |
| 08:37:22 | BZFlag | so once I get to /sbin/init I can umount /initrd (where I pivoted the old root) |
| 08:38:13 | GoRK | ok it booted just fine |
| 08:38:30 | GoRK | except for unconfigure.sh... but that as you said was expected |
| 08:41:07 | BZFlag | please write a wiki page on each step you do. ;-) |
| 08:41:18 | BZFlag | or add to PivotRoot if you like. |
| 08:41:48 | GoRK | that was very easy actually |
| 08:42:06 | GoRK | i just got through my apt-get and now im installing the good stuff |
| 08:45:20 | BZFlag | nice. I set /etc/hostname and /etc/resolv.conf and localtime. I don't recall others. |
| 08:45:35 | andersee | /etc/hosts |
| 08:45:44 | BZFlag | ah yes. and go to bed. |
| 08:45:47 | andersee | /etc/netword/interfaces |
| 08:45:49 | andersee | heh |
| 08:45:51 | BZFlag | must sleep. |
| 08:45:55 | BZFlag | nite all! |
| 08:46:02 | andersee | Thats what my wife said about 10 min ago... |
| 08:46:04 | andersee | night |
| 08:46:25 | GoRK | yeah i set hostname, hosts, networks, timezone, resolv, apt-get update, apt-get install aptitude, selected some task packages and now it's downloading |
| 08:49:19 | GoRK | hehehe this is awesome |
| 08:49:45 | andersee | Now you just need to crank the CPU speed... :) |
| 08:49:57 | GoRK | can you crank it? |
| 08:50:04 | andersee | Apparently so |
| 08:50:08 | GoRK | i thought there were memory timing issues |
| 08:50:11 | GoRK | in linux |
| 08:50:12 | andersee | Up to like 206 Mhz |
| 08:50:22 | andersee | I think grub has to do the cranking... |
| 08:50:27 | andersee | err. blob |
| 08:50:32 | andersee | is tired |
| 08:51:00 | GoRK | yeah it does, but bzflag said that there are still some timing issues that linux barfs on at 206mhz |
| 08:51:11 | GoRK | or maybe that was only just the last that i had heard |
| 12:31:24 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:19:33 | sammy_ | night all... |
| 13:25:34 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:25:52 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:26:10 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:22:09 | mallum | hi andersee |
| 15:17:37 | prpplague | whoo, my tuxscreen just arrived! |
| 15:34:21 | andersee | mallum: howdy |
| 15:34:35 | andersee | prpplague: very cool! |
| 15:44:01 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Did you see that I basically foobared the scripts in the microwindows stuff? |
| 15:44:21 | CosmicPenguin | for buildroot I mean? |
| 15:44:41 | andersee | Actually, I didn't see that. I just checked in your makefile.microwindows without so much as reading it.... |
| 15:45:05 | andersee | I made some changes to the toplevel so it could, at least in theory, work though. |
| 15:45:12 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, it was in one of the tarball. I should get that fixed momentarly |
| 15:45:29 | andersee | Do you have a SF account? |
| 15:45:31 | CosmicPenguin | <--- Put a #/bin/sh where a #!/bin/sh should have been.... |
| 15:45:46 | andersee | oops. That'll slow it down |
| 15:45:56 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I do, but for some reason, it hates me trying to do CVS across SSH.... I can login and play all day, but the CVS co never works |
| 15:47:07 | andersee | odd. even with 'CVS_RSH=/usr/bin/ssh' set? |
| 15:50:21 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah.... |
| 15:50:52 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: what changes were made to init? This worked gangbusters on the old image, but on the new image, its spawning like 4 copies of the Nano-X server.... |
| 15:52:32 | andersee | no changes that I know of. I didn't touch that part (though 4 sounds impressive) |
| 15:53:06 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, 4 people fighting for control over the framebuffer.... its pretty sick looking.... |
| 15:53:32 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: inittab line --> ::respawn:/usr/local/bin/nxstart.sh |
| 15:53:36 | CosmicPenguin | Does that look right? |
| 15:55:10 | andersee | that will respawn nxstart.sh on /dev/tty (whatever is the current console device) so yeah, that looks ok. |
| 15:56:10 | CosmicPenguin | Ah,ha... I just needed a sleep in the nxstart.sh script... now all is welll |
| 16:00:28 | prpplague | andersee: btw, got my ELF board booting thanks to blob and erikm's patience |
| 16:00:51 | andersee | cool |
| 16:01:03 | andersee | Sounds like you are all set |
| 16:01:31 | prpplague | andersee: still alot of work to be done, gpio, fb, ts, pcmcia... |
| 16:06:52 | prpplague | is away: lunch |
| 16:31:31 | scott | is tim riker on here? |
| 16:34:04 | andersee | tim goes by "BZFlag" |
| 16:34:32 | andersee | Havn't seem him since about 3am... |
| 16:38:40 | wedge | whoah. openprojects is in Fremont? |
| 16:38:46 | wedge | any of you guys live in fremont? |
| 16:39:17 | andersee | not I |
| 16:44:14 | wedge | andersee: the aironet card i have is in fact just 5v. |
| 16:44:18 | wedge | damn. |
| 16:44:35 | wedge | unless cisco's documentation is wrong, and it can step down to 3.3... i'm prolly hosed. |
| 16:45:12 | andersee | Or unless we get the PCMCIA-5V hack to work... |
| 16:45:20 | andersee | see the wiki... |
| 16:45:48 | wedge | has it been updated? |
| 16:45:50 | wedge | looks... |
| 16:46:21 | wedge | no update on the pcmcia-5v page... |
| 16:46:36 | wedge | who is shaggy, and what are his chances of acquiring said information? :) |
| 16:46:51 | Russ | most people haven't had insentive to work too hard on it, because cf cards in a sleeve always work fine |
| 16:49:35 | wedge | yeah... |
| 16:50:31 | andersee | went to compUSA, looked at stuff on the shelf and came home with two NICs. Both worked... |
| 16:50:33 | wedge | i just have two 802.11 cards currently, and i'd love to not have to buy another one... |
| 17:10:44 | paulcannon | Has anyone had problems with inferno not finding emuinit.dis? |
| 17:21:55 | CosmicPenguin | paulcannon: Did you get the latest copy of linuxemu from the wiki? |
| 17:22:16 | paulcannon | ah. problem solved, for anyone that cares.. neither emu can read the dis files over NFS! |
| 17:22:25 | paulcannon | Should that go on the wiki? |
| 17:22:29 | CosmicPenguin | Yes! |
| 17:22:56 | paulcannon | okey dokey, geez, i was banging my head against that for a full hour |
| 17:23:38 | CosmicPenguin | linuxemu is not the most Linux friendly app in the world..... |
| 17:23:54 | paulcannon | or the most well-written, I'd wager |
| 17:29:35 | prpplague | is back (gone 01:22:42) |
| 17:35:15 | sean | fhfhfhj |
| 17:35:18 | sean | wow. |
| 17:35:20 | sean | oops. |
| 17:47:47 | GoRK | got debian going (mostly) |
| 17:47:55 | GoRK | have some circular symlinks i can't find somewhere |
| 17:52:11 | andersee | cool |
| 17:53:10 | andersee | I suppose I should enable NFS on my NetWinder and try to export nearly everything |
| 17:53:25 | paulcannon | andersee: Just got inferno-remote connected to my tuxscreen.. I've a question about unlocking the flash |
| 17:54:45 | andersee | Ok. Something not covered in the wiki? |
| 17:55:13 | andersee | shamefully admits that BZFlag unlocked the flash on phone #1 |
| 17:55:20 | paulcannon | yeah- Wiki says to remove the SODIMM to see where to apply the 12v, but am I supposed to leave the dimm out while booting? |
| 17:55:26 | andersee | shamefully admits he has never unlocked the flash on phone #2 |
| 17:55:33 | paulcannon | heh |
| 17:55:49 | GoRK | yeah take the dimm out |
| 17:55:54 | GoRK | and boot up |
| 17:55:57 | andersee | paulcannon: Hmm. I assume so... There is a bit of memory on the main board. |
| 17:56:00 | GoRK | there is onboard ram |
| 17:56:17 | paulcannon | good deal then |
| 17:56:22 | GoRK | 8MB onboard |
| 17:56:48 | GoRK | bleh i am having to swap to a CF flash card. i should probably get another dimm |
| 17:57:00 | GoRK | hmm actually i might have a 32mb on my cardpc |
| 17:57:33 | paulcannon | oh yeah, andersee, what was that website with the good prices on flash cards, nics, etc? |
| 17:58:48 | andersee | newegg.com? |
| 17:59:00 | GoRK | goes to disassemble his trashcan robot |
| 17:59:09 | paulcannon | don't remember- you showed me one.. |
| 17:59:37 | GoRK | it uses a p166 to tell me when to take out the trash. fitting. |
| 17:59:49 | andersee | If you look in the wiki on the PCMCIA page, you can see the NIC I ended up getting -- a NetGear FA411 |
| 18:00:27 | paulcannon | right- I'll look around. tnx for the help |
| 18:00:43 | andersee | Can get 'em from buy.com for $42, fits both top and bottom slot, 10/100, no dongle, and looks nice too. |
| 18:01:04 | andersee | I'm going to order a CF card from newegg.com |
| 18:01:13 | paulcannon | sounds nice.. |
| 18:01:14 | andersee | Theyre the cheapest |
| 18:01:30 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Does BIND compile under uclibc? |
| 18:01:53 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I havn't tried it. Should... |
| 18:02:31 | CosmicPenguin | needs 64 bit integers |
| 18:02:48 | andersee | Is that a problem? |
| 18:03:06 | andersee | Are you using the latest and greatest uClibc snapshot? |
| 18:03:19 | andersee | The new header files should help on typing issues... |
| 18:03:20 | CosmicPenguin | I will be..... Do you have any other DNS deamons you would reccomend? |
| 18:03:30 | andersee | tinydns? |
| 18:03:58 | GoRK | you want to run BIND on the tux?!? that is crazy, man! |
| 18:04:08 | andersee | Question for you: whats the best 802.11b card for Linux? |
| 18:04:15 | CosmicPenguin | tinydns? URL? |
| 18:04:31 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I'll tie it with perl.... :) |
| 18:04:39 | GoRK | cool i am compiling perl now |
| 18:04:58 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I used to like the Orinoco from Lucent, but recently the driver support has been horrible for that chipset.... |
| 18:05:15 | CosmicPenguin | RIght now I'm using a SMC EzConnect.... It rules... |
| 18:05:26 | GoRK | ill make sure to compile it with -DHUGE_BIND_BINDINGS |
| 18:06:00 | andersee | what driver does that one use? Is it a prisimII like all the other linksys/netgear/etc cards? |
| 18:08:00 | andersee | Hmm. Its a pc-card eh? Work in the phone? |
| 18:12:20 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: yes, its a prisim II I don't know if it will work in the phone or not.... |
| 18:13:24 | CosmicPenguin | Doh - I was going to try, but I didn't get any modules on my root filesystem for some reason.... |
| 18:14:59 | andersee | well for heavens sake -- plug it and and see if 'cardctl ident' at least works! |
| 18:15:09 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, ok.... :) |
| 18:15:15 | andersee | heh |
| 18:16:03 | CosmicPenguin | Success..... |
| 18:16:23 | CosmicPenguin | socket 1: Intersil PRISM2 1Mbps Wireless Adapter..... |
| 18:16:28 | CosmicPenguin | module wvlan_cs not found.... |
| 18:16:38 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 18:16:42 | CosmicPenguin | Link light is on.... |
| 18:16:44 | andersee | begins to drool |
| 18:17:08 | andersee | 1Mbps? Seems a bit slow |
| 18:17:41 | CosmicPenguin | It has always been fast enough in my laptop.... |
| 18:18:00 | andersee | I think the naming is off. 802.11b is 11Mbps |
| 18:18:10 | cory | at most |
| 18:18:15 | cory | 11, then 5.5, then 2, then 1 |
| 18:18:17 | cory | depends on how much it can get |
| 18:18:56 | andersee | sure sure |
| 18:19:02 | andersee | Nobody actually gets 11. |
| 18:19:07 | cory | shrugs |
| 18:19:10 | cory | I get pretty close to it :) |
| 18:19:13 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, my mistake... it is 11mps...... I blame the guy who wrote this tail utility.... :) |
| 18:19:17 | andersee | Just like noone get 100 out of 100baseT |
| 18:19:25 | andersee | heh :) |
| 18:19:35 | cory | nobody gets 11 because all the ap's have 10baseT out the back ;) |
| 18:20:27 | cory | my ibook claims to be getting 11mbit |
| 18:20:31 | cory | shrugs |
| 18:20:39 | cory | 5' from the AP |
| 18:22:29 | GoRK | you can't get near 11mb of throughput. First, it's 11mb radio speed and the radios themselves have to ack each packet. even if there are no retransmits, the most you can get out of DSSS at 11mb is maybe 1 way UDP traffic at about 8.5Mbps |
| 18:22:51 | GoRK | woops i left out the bit about it being totally asyncronous |
| 18:23:34 | cory | yeah.. 11mbit signalling rate |
| 18:23:40 | cory | I never said anything about throughput :) |
| 18:24:18 | GoRK | well if the radio data rate jumps to 11, it's talking at 11. it can't talk anything else unless it steps to 5.5 2 or 1 |
| 18:24:31 | GoRK | well other than getting interference |
| 18:29:08 | GoRK | go perl go |
| 18:29:16 | GoRK | hehehe chug chug |
| 18:29:28 | GoRK | been a while since i compiled anything on such a slow machine |
| 18:30:14 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: You compiling on the Tuxscreen itself???? |
| 18:32:17 | GoRK | it's pretty much impossible to xcompile perl so, yeah |
| 18:32:54 | CosmicPenguin | Ack........ |
| 18:33:04 | GoRK | hehehehe it's all good |
| 18:33:16 | GoRK | cept that i have to swap on CF |
| 18:33:32 | GoRK | this perl compile may cost me 30 bucks :) |
| 18:34:11 | GoRK | i wonder if someone sells a CF RAM card.. it'd be a good thing for swap in the tux |
| 18:38:42 | andersee | GoRK: I believe you can swap to an NFS mounted swapfile... |
| 18:40:30 | GoRK | it didn't work |
| 18:40:49 | GoRK | i found some patches for 2.2 to make it work |
| 18:41:00 | GoRK | and i found some patches for nbd to make it work |
| 18:41:19 | CosmicPenguin | <rant>I hate sed</rant> |
| 18:45:10 | BZFlag | heh. you could get a 340M microdrive then. ;-) |
| 18:47:06 | GoRK | tuxscreen:/var/swap# swapon swapfile |
| 18:47:06 | GoRK | rw_swap_page: bad swap file |
| 18:47:06 | GoRK | Unable to find swap-space signature |
| 18:47:07 | GoRK | swapon: swapfile: Invalid argument |
| 18:47:12 | GoRK | or a 32MB dimm |
| 18:47:21 | GoRK | or both |
| 18:47:24 | GoRK | or just swap to CF |
| 18:47:47 | GoRK | stupid debian was running xfs. i freed up about 1.5MB by killing that sucker |
| 18:48:36 | BZFlag | GoRK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1279349543 |
| 18:49:30 | GoRK | i could get the 1gb new for 309 too |
| 18:50:00 | GoRK | maybe my friend who just bought a digital camera will split it with me.. he gets it when he goes on vacation, i get it for development :) |
| 18:53:37 | BZFlag | that works. ;-) |
| 18:53:38 | GoRK | he just spent 200 bucks on a 192mb CF card, too. I told him it was stupid |
| 18:54:54 | andersee | GoRK: did you try using mkswap to produce a valid swapfile? |
| 18:55:17 | BZFlag | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1278099578 |
| 18:57:31 | Lenolium | BZFlag: How fast do you think that these phones are going to go? |
| 18:57:48 | BZFlag | yep. $309: http://www.gogocity.com//product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=211&pf%5Fid=CO02HDD0346&mscssid=MDERJ94BAAWX8ML7VU4EKS7TRLJXFWVF |
| 18:58:21 | BZFlag | Lenolium: it will take a long time unless I swing some deals with universities to use them for class projects etc. |
| 18:59:44 | Lenolium | Cool, in that case, I think I'll get two next week, and four after the next paycheck (I wanna replace the phones in my house with IP phones. I also wanted to get a touchscreen in most of the rooms to control stuff. I also wanted to start developing on the StrongARM processor.) You think that would be alright? |
| 19:05:49 | GoRK | andersee: yeah i mkswap and swapon'd and no dice |
| 19:06:39 | GoRK | these aren't ip phones (yet) |
| 19:08:07 | Lenolium | GoRK: Yes, I know, but that falls under the develop for the StrongARM processor section. :) |
| 19:15:31 | BZFlag | Lenolium: fine. |
| 19:41:29 | GoRK | ok seems you can't swap over NFS without patches and even if you wanted to, swapping over NBD is faster and better and takes no patches... so im compiling NBD support now :) |
| 19:45:40 | BZFlag | iirc I compiled in nbd on the released kernel binaries |
| 19:47:27 | andersee | which reminds me... |
| 19:47:57 | andersee | BZFlag: on sunday we were going to put some updated images on the downloads section... |
| 19:51:47 | pattieja | GoRK: you will deadlock with NBD swapping |
| 19:51:51 | BZFlag | sounds good. today is end of quarter, so I'm swamped. tomorrow is moving day |
| 19:52:06 | BZFlag | pattieja: why? |
| 19:52:13 | pattieja | of the two, NFS swapping works better |
| 19:52:32 | pattieja | well, actually, now that I think about it, it may not |
| 19:52:32 | BZFlag | hmm... that has not been my experience. ymmv |
| 19:53:04 | pattieja | simply because the nbd.o module is doing everything in kernel memory and absolutely nothing in userspace. |
| 19:53:21 | pattieja | BZFlag: do you regularly use NBD? |
| 19:53:44 | pattieja | we're trying to utilize it for local access on thin-clients for floppy and cdrom support |
| 19:54:14 | pattieja | however there is a big issue with the nbd module locking in kernel space if the nbd-server is killed without disconnecting properly |
| 19:54:31 | pattieja | unless there is a version of nbd that I'm not aware of |
| 19:54:50 | pattieja | we're using the latest from Pavel being 0.14 |
| 20:01:25 | AlHazWork | eesh, you'd think someone would publish a list of ratshack or digikey or mouser part numbers for the bits and pieces need to build a tivonet board . . . |
| 20:04:34 | BZFlag | pattieja: no. bu I have in the past. |
| 20:05:26 | pattieja | BZFlag: have you worked with the Enhanced Network Block Device yet? |
| 20:05:35 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: email Chris Worley at Liberate in SLC. He might know. |
| 20:05:38 | pattieja | It's coming along really nicely. |
| 20:05:50 | BZFlag | pattieja: not yet, no. |
| 20:07:46 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: Was considering walking into Central Utah Electronics some time next week with the parts list . . |
| 20:08:06 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: what's his email address? |
| 20:10:10 | BZFlag | Chris Worley <cworley@symbionsys.com> |
| 20:11:49 | AlHazWork | thanks |
| 20:23:55 | GoRK | i gave up on swapping via the network.... i cant get anything to work with 2.4.7 |
| 20:24:50 | AlHazWork | most embedded systems live without swap |
| 20:24:59 | AlHazWork | though 2.4 has issues |
| 20:25:22 | Russ|werk | could try nbd swap |
| 20:25:58 | AlHazWork | the vm doesn't malloc until memory is touched, so if there's 16 megs of ram, and an app mallocs 20, the kernel will allow it |
| 20:26:09 | AlHazWork | and then the feces hits the air conditioning when the app tries to *use it |
| 20:28:14 | AlHazWork | you can actually get away with malloc'ing a gig of ram or so before the kernel starts to complain. Shouldn't be that way, but I sure don't know how to fix it. |
| 20:29:19 | BZFlag | it's a matter of opinion as to whether it should be that way. |
| 20:30:06 | BZFlag | It should probably be tunable. There is a ... /proc/.../*overcommit* file but it does not really stop overcommits, just one large overcommit. |
| 20:30:57 | GoRK | well my problem is i am trying to compile perl, which from reading everything has to really be done natively |
| 20:31:17 | GoRK | there's just not enough ram to do it |
| 20:32:00 | AlHazWork | bah, I've seen perl xcompiled |
| 20:32:09 | AlHazWork | your other option is to use the skiff cluster |
| 20:32:20 | GoRK | hey! where is that boss? |
| 20:34:17 | GoRK | ok found it |
| 20:45:05 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: the proc overcommit thing doesn't actually address the problem. It's the flourescent light a couple miles down the tunnel that's occasionally mistaken for the end . . . |
| 20:46:41 | GoRK | i go back to my previous statement that a pcmcia or CF memory card that used ram and a watch battery would be a wonderful swap device for little stuff ilke this |
| 20:49:59 | andersee | GoRK: my hp48 has such cards... |
| 20:50:15 | andersee | GoRK: the bug 128k each |
| 20:50:24 | andersee | Wanna buy them? :) |
| 20:50:51 | andersee | err. They have 128k each. My is thinking about other things while typing |
| 20:51:12 | andersee | s/My is/I was/ |
| 20:51:14 | andersee | sigh... |
| 20:51:22 | GoRK | can i trade you some 256K 30 pin SIMM's for them? :) |
| 20:51:32 | AlHazWork | GoRK: there are pcmcia-like ram cards, i don' think they're really pcmcia |
| 20:55:02 | AlHazWork | I have some old notebooks that take JEIDA ram cards that sure look like pcmcia, but they aint |
| 20:57:41 | AlHazWork | I have some pcmcia sram cards. iirc they're addressed as linear storage. I don't think there's an mtd driver for them yet. |
| 21:00:11 | GoRK | yeah sram. that's the ticket |
| 21:00:36 | GoRK | hmm andersee, does uClibc's debian/ stuff work on the recent stuff out of cvs or the snapshots? |
| 21:00:39 | AlHazWork | it's like a 5 meg card. I should sell it to a newton user or something. I pulled it out of a dead hp omnibook |
| 21:00:50 | AlHazWork | along with a 10 meg ATA flash card that needs 12v for write ops |
| 21:01:01 | GoRK | haha 12V |
| 21:01:38 | AlHazWork | omnibook would probably have three times the battery life with a CF card in place of the flash card it came with, unfortunately HP crippled the boot rom so that it wouldn't see non-prefered flash cards as ide |
| 21:03:54 | AlHazWork | GoRK: Yeah, the flash card doesn't allow write ops at all in my notebook, works fine in my scsi flash card reader . . . |
| 21:10:48 | andersee | GoRK: to be honest, I havn't tried it recently. It _should_ work... |
| 21:10:55 | GoRK | i am trying it now |
| 21:11:20 | GoRK | i had to change some junk in the rules file that was pointing to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.5 |
| 21:11:45 | GoRK | it is compiling now. im gonna go get some runts |
| 21:12:34 | GoRK | ill let you know :) |
| 21:13:23 | GoRK | my goal here is to get perl compiled against uclibc (if it will work) and a usable distribution of perl in <1MB |
| 21:14:02 | andersee | Why not add perl into the buildroot and cross compile it? |
| 21:15:06 | Lenolium | Will the tuxscreen SODIMM slot take larger amounts of memory? |
| 21:15:11 | GoRK | it doesnt like to cross compile. i have to have a native environment just to generate the files i'd need to put into a patch to get perl into a state on the x86 side where a cross compiler would take over |
| 21:15:12 | AlHazWork | andersee: he says it won't go, but I know I've seen perl xcompiled from x86 to ppc and to mips |
| 21:15:36 | blzbubba | lenolium the maximum is 32mb, from what I understand. Linux doesn't yet support the larger simms though |
| 21:15:50 | GoRK | well the actual compilation will work on x86 it's perl's stuipd Configure thing that won't work |
| 21:16:18 | Russ|werk | actually, its blob |
| 21:16:59 | GoRK | Russ: what happened to the blob jffs2 kernel loading support? is it totally broken? |
| 21:18:39 | Russ|werk | no, its waiting for completion of paramater blocks |
| 21:19:14 | GoRK | i understand some people set up elaborate shell script wrappers that execute cross-compiled test programs via rsh/ssh to get perl's Configure to run when they are cross compiling. |
| 21:19:33 | AlHazWork | GoRK: Never seen anything of the kind |
| 21:19:35 | BZFlag | Lenolium: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/sodimm <- please check the wiki first, it's all there. |
| 21:20:03 | AlHazWork | might take some hacking to avoid it |
| 21:20:55 | GoRK | either way.. it's absurdedly difficult to do without having a native compile environment set up somewhere... |
| 22:00:11 | GoRK | andersee: the debian/ packaging stuff worked fine |
| 22:02:20 | GoRK | after that little matter of kernel-headers |
| 22:02:26 | GoRK | in the build-deps |
| 22:08:50 | andersee | GoRK: cool beans. :) |
| 22:09:12 | andersee | Sigh. jffs2reader is broken |
| 22:13:03 | GoRK | andersee: have you heard if perl is supposed to compile ok with uclibc? |
| 22:14:04 | andersee | no idea -- havn't tried it but I don't expect anything |
| 22:14:19 | andersee | <noone expects the Spanish Inquisition!> |
| 22:23:11 | GoRK | a cheap weapon --- this surprise |
| 22:58:26 | prpplague | anyone here had any experience working with the cirrus cl-pd6722 pcmcia chipset? |
| 23:04:13 | AlHazWork | later |
| 23:05:55 | GoRK | whoot. stuff seems to be holding steady during this compile |
| 23:26:20 | GoRK | andersee: can uclibc's libm be used on arm? |
| 23:44:22 | andersee | GoRK: sure |
| 23:48:51 | andersee | GoRK: BTW, I'm intending to make a tiny (but very incomplete) math lib that just has the basics -- sin, cos, tan, atan2, pow and such. But none of the oddball stuff... |
| 23:51:32 | GoRK | cool. i am just needing it for perl so i may link in linbm static |
| 23:51:35 | GoRK | err libm |
| 23:51:55 | GoRK | dont forget sqrt in your tinylibm :) |
| 23:53:22 | prpplague | night all |
| 23:53:46 | Lenolium | andersee: I can't find ulibc in the wiki, where can I get some info on it? |
| 23:54:22 | andersee | Lenolium: uClibc |
| 23:54:26 | AeroSpace | ++people_without_jobs; |
| 23:54:45 | Lenolium | andersee: Ahh.. that would be helpful. |