| 00:27:16 | Sammy | hi all |
| 00:32:53 | raybass | <Russ> Hey sammy |
| 00:36:25 | Sammy | hi :-) |
| 00:42:54 | zachh | ls | more |
| 00:42:58 | zachh | woops |
| 00:43:00 | Russ | . |
| 00:43:01 | Russ | .. |
| 00:52:11 | Russ | hmm...still not sure why my new kernel is freezing... |
| 00:52:44 | Russ | INIT: version 2.78 booting |
| 00:52:46 | Russ | Jan 1 00:00:03 cardmgr[46]: starting, version is 3.1.22 |
| 00:52:49 | Russ | Mounting local filesystems... |
| 00:52:51 | Russ | Jan 1 00:00:03 cardmgr[46]: watching 2 sockets |
| 00:52:54 | Russ | and thats it |
| 00:53:11 | Aelhaz | hmm |
| 00:53:12 | Russ | oh, wait, I got sysrq |
| 00:53:30 | Russ | mount D C001CF68 0 52 49 (NOTLB) |
| 00:53:40 | Russ | what is it mounting? |
| 00:55:29 | Russ | rcS S C001CF68 676 41 11 44 (NOTLB) |
| 01:10:14 | andersee | Russ: what kernel version is this based off? 2.4.9-ac10-rmk3? |
| 01:10:24 | Russ | 2.4.9-ac10-rmk2-np1 |
| 01:10:50 | Russ | its stopping somewhere in checkroot.sh it seems |
| 01:13:02 | andersee | 2.4.9-ac10-rmk3 mentions "MTD update"... Perhaps relevant? |
| 01:13:33 | andersee | Also mentions "New MCP/UCB1x00 drivers" which I am hopeful may help my touchscreen work... |
| 01:13:34 | Russ | it does do the initial mount |
| 01:13:45 | Russ | in rmk3? |
| 01:13:49 | andersee | Hmmyup |
| 01:13:51 | andersee | yup |
| 01:13:59 | andersee | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/release-2.4.0.shtml |
| 01:14:00 | Russ | is nico synced yet? |
| 01:14:56 | andersee | On arm-l-k rmk suggested that part/all of nico's stuff is being merged -- nico is away... |
| 01:15:57 | Russ | nico has a lot of highly experimental stuff |
| 01:16:12 | Russ | (for other boards) |
| 01:16:27 | andersee | Ahh. Here is is -- "Merge bits of nico's patch (at request of Nico while he's gone)" |
| 01:19:31 | scanline | is back (gone 02:31:32) |
| 02:53:17 | zachh | cworthAWAY: i got the new x calibration program compiled and running, at the extreme corners its still off a bit. However, it still works VERY well. I will look into fine tuning it but thanks alot for your work! |
| 03:30:27 | zachh | BZFlag: cworth and some finishing work by me got an x calibration program running |
| 03:30:47 | zachh | when i work out the wierd kinks where should I throw this bad boy? |
| 03:33:59 | BZFlag | zachh: create a page on the wiki with links to the relevant pieces. |
| 03:34:19 | BZFlag | if you have better calibrate values, get them into the kernel and send the patch to Russ |
| 03:34:47 | BZFlag | The ones that are in there now are just arbitrary ones we picked while hacking on it late at night. |
| 03:53:03 | Aelhaz | the dotcom crash is astounding . . . |
| 03:53:25 | Aelhaz | $18,000 load balancing switch on ebay closing tomorrow morning about 7am mst, it's at $10 |
| 03:53:27 | BZFlag | you mean like lineo.com ? |
| 03:53:42 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: heh |
| 03:53:58 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: More like Exodous - they filed for chapter 11 reorganization today |
| 03:54:27 | BZFlag | find me a 12+ port 10/100 fanless switch will ya? |
| 03:55:10 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 03:55:39 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276002889 |
| 03:56:17 | Aelhaz | I was looking for a cheap 10/100 switch myself . . . . it would be, interesting, to own a switch that once carried a price tag 2x what i paid for my car |
| 03:56:30 | Aelhaz | looks like it's 4 units high tho |
| 03:56:36 | Aelhaz | big sucker |
| 03:56:47 | zachh | i'd take it just to have it at 10 |
| 03:57:19 | Aelhaz | that seller has two more on ebay, they started the bidding on those at $700 |
| 03:57:28 | zachh | wow |
| 03:57:45 | Aelhaz | i wonder if it can be dumbed down to act like a normal switch |
| 03:58:07 | zachh | hehe |
| 04:00:11 | Aelhaz | I set up bidwatcher to bid $20.50 in the last 10 seconds, we'll see what happens |
| 04:00:43 | Aelhaz | The manufacturer is long dead |
| 04:02:30 | Aelhaz | heh, they have (had?) a patent on "cross-platform server clustering using a network flow switch" |
| 04:02:44 | andersee | I just want a 3.3v 10/100 pccard nic that works with the phone... |
| 04:03:38 | Aelhaz | i'm gonna go to bed. Cya. |
| 04:03:46 | andersee | night |
| 04:05:20 | BZFlag | andersee: on the otherhand if you can get a cheap 10/100 switch then I know where you can get a cio10t ;-) |
| 04:06:18 | andersee | heh |
| 04:06:31 | andersee | I've got a switch -- but it lives downstairs. |
| 04:06:55 | andersee | Upstairs I just have the far cheaper 4port 100bt hub |
| 04:07:20 | andersee | almost has buildroot-tux working with the new uClibc header files |
| 04:09:34 | BZFlag | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1277068106 <- seems to be missing a few ports |
| 04:11:24 | zachh | looks like an 8er to me |
| 04:11:32 | zachh | heh |
| 06:28:29 | BZFlag | nite |
| 12:30:50 | prpplague | morning all |
| 12:30:57 | travis_143cw | word! |
| 12:33:43 | GiuseppeOttaviano | morning |
| 12:38:41 | GiuseppeOttaviano | Someone has an opened tuxscreen? I'd like to know the rev/issue numbers and if the ts works, I'm trying to understand if it's related to the touchscreen problems |
| 12:39:35 | travis_143cw | does VoIP work yet? |
| 13:04:18 | GiuseppeOttaviano | what happened to the tuxscreen page? it seems not to work |
| 13:11:21 | pattieja | is back (gone 15:47:55) |
| 13:11:42 | pattieja | is away: rebooting |
| 13:36:00 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:36:17 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 13:36:51 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 13:39:11 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: Hows it going today? All well with the Audrey? |
| 13:40:48 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: I think my new thing is going to be a DreamCast |
| 13:40:55 | pattieja | someones already gotten Linux to work on it |
| 13:41:03 | travis_143cw | dreamcast is cool |
| 13:41:07 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: I saw that on /. |
| 13:41:14 | pattieja | and maybe some of the things that were done to get Linux to work on the DC can be utilized to get the Audrey to work with Linux |
| 13:41:23 | CosmicPenguin | DC runs a Geode? |
| 13:43:30 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: I think it's using a Celeron 766MHz, but don't hold me to that |
| 13:44:18 | travis_143cw | dreamcast? |
| 13:44:34 | travis_143cw | dreamcast runs at 200mhz |
| 13:46:48 | pattieja | travis_143cw: doh! |
| 13:47:07 | pattieja | it is running Win |
| 13:47:10 | pattieja | CE though, right? |
| 13:47:39 | travis_143cw | yep |
| 13:47:45 | travis_143cw | not always though |
| 13:47:57 | travis_143cw | some game discs come with their own running OS though |
| 13:48:03 | pattieja | cool |
| 13:48:08 | travis_143cw | but it mostly runs off of the ce dlls |
| 13:49:51 | travis_143cw | if you want any fun with dreamcast and linux you need a broadband adapter |
| 13:50:19 | pattieja | doesn't it come with a builtin RTL8139C chip? |
| 14:00:07 | travis_143cw | um |
| 14:00:24 | travis_143cw | what is that chip now? |
| 14:00:36 | pattieja | It's a Realtek chipset |
| 14:00:45 | travis_143cw | for the ethernet? |
| 14:00:46 | pattieja | Ethernet 10/100 |
| 14:00:55 | travis_143cw | oh no, comes with modem |
| 14:01:00 | pattieja | hmm |
| 14:01:07 | pattieja | the Linux hacking page stated otherwise |
| 14:01:13 | pattieja | Let me go check again |
| 14:01:31 | travis_143cw | you cant buy the broadband adapter from sega store anymore |
| 14:01:35 | travis_143cw | they stopped making them |
| 14:01:39 | pattieja | wow |
| 14:01:48 | travis_143cw | the only place you may get it is www.lik-sang.com or ebay.com :P |
| 14:01:52 | pattieja | are the device plugs on the front just modified USB connectors? |
| 14:02:28 | pattieja | cause when Linux was booting (from the screenshot) it was detecting the joystick controller, keyboard, and mouse and HID USB devices (apparently) |
| 14:02:45 | travis_143cw | i think it is a variation of usb yeah |
| 14:02:57 | travis_143cw | it probably is just a different shaped connector |
| 14:02:58 | pattieja | cool |
| 14:03:01 | pattieja | hehe |
| 14:03:26 | pattieja | http://www.m17n.org/linux-sh/dreamcast/ |
| 14:04:31 | travis_143cw | yep |
| 14:04:54 | travis_143cw | i would recomend buying a used dreamcast |
| 14:05:02 | pattieja | that's what I'm thinking |
| 14:05:05 | travis_143cw | the new ones are hard to get anything to boot |
| 14:05:09 | pattieja | BestBuy was out of the hardware only stuff |
| 14:05:11 | travis_143cw | believe me... |
| 14:05:25 | pattieja | they only had the "sports" package for $100 |
| 14:05:30 | travis_143cw | i hate best buy!!! |
| 14:05:32 | pattieja | came with 3 sports games |
| 14:05:37 | pattieja | why? |
| 14:05:45 | pattieja | they were completely sold out on the hardware only boxes |
| 14:05:51 | travis_143cw | cause their little (lack of) warrenties |
| 14:06:20 | pattieja | so you're saying a new one will be harder to get Linux working on than an older one? |
| 14:06:39 | travis_143cw | oh yeah! |
| 14:06:44 | travis_143cw | for sure buy an old one |
| 14:06:45 | pattieja | why's that? |
| 14:06:54 | travis_143cw | feb 2000 or older |
| 14:07:17 | travis_143cw | they tried to prevent people from selfbooting non-DC media |
| 14:08:32 | pattieja | oh |
| 14:08:33 | pattieja | ok |
| 14:08:34 | pattieja | thanks |
| 14:08:36 | travis_143cw | you bet |
| 14:08:41 | travis_143cw | i love my dreamcast thoguh |
| 14:08:57 | pattieja | Broadband Adapter |
| 14:08:57 | pattieja | PCI RTL-8139C fast Ethernet can be used as eth*. 10BASE-T/100BASE-TX and half/full duplex connections are automatically probed by the driver. |
| 14:09:10 | pattieja | Hmm. Does this imply that this is a separate attachment? |
| 14:09:36 | travis_143cw | the ethernet device for dreamcast? |
| 14:09:41 | pattieja | yes |
| 14:09:43 | travis_143cw | it plugs into the modem port |
| 14:09:47 | pattieja | I see |
| 14:09:49 | pattieja | ok |
| 14:09:55 | pattieja | didn't realise that |
| 14:10:09 | pattieja | thanks again :) |
| 14:10:24 | travis_143cw | http://www.lik-sang.com/catalog/product_info.php?category=32&products_id=46& |
| 14:10:25 | travis_143cw | yep |
| 14:11:19 | pattieja | it says it's temporarily not available |
| 14:11:32 | travis_143cw | yep... not a good sign |
| 14:11:38 | travis_143cw | ebay.com :P |
| 14:11:43 | travis_143cw | get out your checkbook |
| 14:11:51 | pattieja | :) |
| 15:09:58 | pattieja | travis_143cw: they want around $100-$160 for the broadband adapter! |
| 15:10:04 | pattieja | no way! |
| 15:10:29 | AlHazWork | yeah, the only way I'd do a dreamcast as a linux settop is if i stumbled across a broadband adapter in the bargian bin at a department store |
| 15:10:33 | AlHazWork | which isn't very likely |
| 15:10:48 | pattieja | AlHazWork: hehe |
| 15:11:06 | AlHazWork | Stuff like that happens, but, hasn't the broadband adapter been discontinued for *ages? |
| 15:11:10 | pattieja | I'll have to check to see if BestBuy carries them |
| 15:11:18 | pattieja | don't know? |
| 15:11:25 | pattieja | why would it have been? |
| 15:11:39 | AlHazWork | I heard that sega decided it was a bad idea |
| 15:11:46 | AlHazWork | long before they discontinued the DC itself |
| 15:13:27 | AlHazWork | DC was axed about a year ago, iirc |
| 15:14:17 | wedge | hey. jez wanna throw many thanks out to russ, gork, and bzflag for the help. got linux on my tuxscreen last night. |
| 15:14:38 | wedge | i'll prolly buy another one soon. out of the 4 friends i told about it, 3 have already bought 'em :) |
| 15:15:10 | wedge | also, i heard a rumor about some 5v card hack... |
| 15:15:15 | wedge | anyone got any info? |
| 15:15:45 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: I don't know if anyone has tried that yet... involves a bit o' solder if IIRC |
| 15:16:58 | AlHazWork | wedge: Shaggy (who wrote the inferno apps that were on the phone when you got it) said something about it being a not-very-hard hack with easy-to-find relatively-cheap parts |
| 15:17:03 | AlHazWork | wedge: but that's all we know |
| 15:17:59 | wedge | niiiiice |
| 15:18:07 | wedge | hey. at least i have some verification to the rumor |
| 15:19:04 | wedge | man. |
| 15:19:15 | wedge | i've got this cisco aironet 340 802.11 card just dying to climb into my tuxscreen. hehhe... |
| 15:19:23 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: Did you try it? |
| 15:19:27 | wedge | nope... |
| 15:19:32 | wedge | i'm sure it's a 5v card.... |
| 15:19:41 | wedge | i'll slap it in tonight tho just for shits and grins. |
| 15:19:48 | wedge | i've got a linksys 802.11 card too |
| 15:19:59 | CosmicPenguin | Its been metioned that most 802.11B cards will work 3.3V if you are willing to take a range hit.... |
| 15:20:10 | wedge | btw...to upgrade my kernel, since it's already running linux, is there a way i can mount the flash device with my current kernel on it to upgrade it as opposed to wiring it over the serial port again? |
| 15:20:19 | wedge | man. no problem with the range hit. |
| 15:20:27 | wedge | i need a range of about 6 feet. |
| 15:20:41 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: There are also some CF 802.11B cards coming out now..... |
| 15:20:44 | wedge | when i finish this project, i'm gonna email you guys pictures of it. |
| 15:20:50 | wedge | nice, CosmicPenguin |
| 15:20:51 | wedge | good info |
| 15:21:24 | CosmicPenguin | Or you can go bluetooth... I've got a CF bluetooth on my desk right now... course there arn't any drivers for Linux, but....... :) |
| 15:22:09 | boris | wonders when his tuxscren is goner turn up |
| 15:22:11 | boris | cries |
| 15:23:46 | wedge | heh |
| 15:23:53 | wedge | he's fast about shippin 'em, boris. |
| 15:23:55 | wedge | don't sweat it. |
| 15:24:14 | boris | hen: k one sec |
| 15:24:20 | wedge | cosmicpenguin: sounds about as useful as my cisco 802.11 card. hehehe. |
| 15:24:28 | wedge | man. i wanna go home and try it now tho. heheheh. |
| 15:24:46 | wedge | when i got the penguin banner up on my tuxscreen last night, i almost jerked myself into a coma. |
| 15:24:54 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe.... |
| 15:24:59 | CosmicPenguin | Boris - I' |
| 15:25:17 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a ferite question - How hard would it be to write a GUI module? |
| 15:25:23 | CosmicPenguin | On a scale of 1 to 10.... :) |
| 15:25:46 | wedge | heeheheh |
| 15:25:57 | RobFlynn | Anyone here us OSX 10.1? |
| 15:26:23 | boris | CosmicPenguin: depends what exists |
| 15:26:48 | boris | what are you thinking of? |
| 15:27:11 | CosmicPenguin | Microwindows of course...:) I need a scripting language, but perl and python are too big for me.... |
| 15:27:21 | wedge | hrm. |
| 15:27:26 | boris | what you want to bind to microwindows? |
| 15:27:29 | wedge | i'm working on a tcl/tk interface to madplay... |
| 15:27:55 | CosmicPenguin | I just want to have the ability to toss up a dialog or frontend window for certain situations... |
| 15:28:01 | CosmicPenguin | Like say, picking a server for a VNC session |
| 15:28:10 | wedge | try tcl/tk cosmic penguin |
| 15:28:13 | wedge | or even java... |
| 15:28:18 | CosmicPenguin | Too big, too big.... |
| 15:28:26 | wedge | too big space wise? |
| 15:28:30 | boris | piece of piss i'd reckon |
| 15:28:32 | wedge | as in you don't wanna add flash or mount something via nfs? |
| 15:28:57 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: PicoGUI is small |
| 15:29:16 | CosmicPenguin | yeah.... My microwindows distro (http://tuxscreen.net/download/microwin) must fit in 3 MB on the Tuxscreen.... |
| 15:29:27 | CosmicPenguin | Its the prime directive.... |
| 15:29:33 | wedge | ah. |
| 15:29:41 | wedge | Qt seems pretty swank. |
| 15:29:46 | CosmicPenguin | You've all seen the screenshots, eh? |
| 15:29:50 | wedge | yeah. |
| 15:30:05 | wedge | dude.. i think i speak for the group in saying, we're all tuxscreen junkies at this point. |
| 15:30:13 | wedge | i had dreams about my tuxscreen night before last. |
| 15:30:18 | CosmicPenguin | Thats all 1.6MB including the browser... |
| 15:30:44 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, do you think it would be pretty easy Boris? |
| 15:31:07 | boris | yep |
| 15:31:27 | CosmicPenguin | Have you compiled it for uclibc yet? How big are we talking for the interperter? |
| 15:31:42 | scanline | RobFlynn: I'm using a prerelease of OS X. I haven't got my hands on OS 10.1 itself though |
| 15:31:50 | scanline | err... prerelease of 10.1 |
| 15:32:23 | boris | yep |
| 15:32:38 | boris | nope, i dont have my tuxscreen yet =/ |
| 15:32:46 | CosmicPenguin | But did you compile it for your desktop? |
| 15:33:06 | boris | uclibc? |
| 15:33:30 | CosmicPenguin | No, ferite compiled with uclibc.... |
| 15:33:47 | boris | nope, not yet |
| 15:34:03 | CosmicPenguin | Cool... that should be an interesting adventure.... |
| 15:35:41 | boris | i was going to start doing things like that once i get the tuxscreen |
| 15:39:16 | wedge | wow. another friend i told.. held out to the bitter end.. but just gave in and ordered his tuxscreen. |
| 15:39:17 | wedge | heheheh. |
| 15:39:23 | wedge | i should get some kinda referral bonus :) |
| 15:40:01 | AlHazWork | So did compaq finally fix the keypad controller in the iPaq H3800? |
| 15:40:44 | wedge | dunno. |
| 15:40:49 | wedge | my pal has one here. i'll axe 'im. |
| 15:41:32 | CosmicPenguin | 32/64 flash/ram - Thats not so embedded anymore, huh? |
| 15:44:26 | wedge | eh? |
| 15:44:33 | wedge | man.. popped a 64meg CF card in it last night.. |
| 15:44:40 | wedge | it immediately acknowledged it as /dev/hda1 |
| 15:44:47 | wedge | mounted it... worked perfectly. |
| 15:44:54 | wedge | then i stroked. thrice. |
| 15:45:18 | wedge | alhazwork: gonna find out abotu the compaq h3800 fix... |
| 15:45:19 | wedge | one sec. |
| 15:52:55 | wedge | homecheese isn't in yet. |
| 15:55:14 | AlHazWork | ok |
| 15:55:47 | AlHazWork | on older ipaqs, the keypad doesn't work properly with more than one button pressed. |
| 15:56:17 | wedge | heh |
| 15:56:21 | wedge | cool. |
| 15:56:26 | wedge | played quake on the ipaq the other day. |
| 15:56:28 | wedge | impressive. |
| 15:56:40 | wedge | do you know where i can get my hands on more dnards? |
| 15:56:47 | wedge | heh. hands on nards. heheheh.. |
| 15:57:57 | cory | I'm in class now |
| 15:58:04 | cory | ethernet at every desk + notebook is nice |
| 15:58:15 | cory | one of these days I should lug my desktop here just for fun ;) |
| 16:02:37 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Doesn't work properly? How about at all? |
| 16:03:00 | CosmicPenguin | It takes a skilled player to alternate between running and shooting in Doom... :) |
| 16:03:25 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 16:03:45 | AlHazWork | I'm more interested in the zaurus that tim is working on |
| 16:03:58 | AlHazWork | integrated cf, thumb keyboard, etc |
| 16:04:01 | CosmicPenguin | Motorola right? |
| 16:04:12 | AlHazWork | Sharp, also a 206mhz SA1110 |
| 16:05:06 | CosmicPenguin | All I want is the accelermeter that they have in the Bakpaq.... |
| 16:05:21 | BZFlag | Zaurus will have less available flash than an iPAQ due to the lame boot procedure. |
| 16:05:37 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: howso? |
| 16:07:28 | BZFlag | it bootloader, cf updater, diagnostics, kernel, initrd, cramfs, ext2 partitions at present. |
| 16:08:28 | BZFlag | fer chump change and jtag/serial connections I could put blob on it and have just 2, blob and jffs2 |
| 16:08:58 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: We sticking tftp on blob soon? |
| 16:09:11 | BZFlag | that would give em over 2 Meg more space on the rootfs plus not having to deal with cramfs/ext2 |
| 16:09:50 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: I've got the pieces, but no time to work on it. I sent some patches to Russ and erikm that work on one board. |
| 16:10:15 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Cool... just wondering.... |
| 16:18:13 | BZFlag | work |
| 16:23:25 | pattieja | is away: lunch |
| 17:08:51 | wedge | man. |
| 17:08:53 | wedge | tftp on blob.... |
| 17:08:58 | wedge | i think i'd throb. |
| 17:11:04 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:17:40 | wedge | hey fellaz.. |
| 17:17:44 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:54:19) |
| 17:17:47 | wedge | i've written this song about the tuxscreen |
| 17:17:50 | wedge | i'm gonna record it tonight accousticalyl. |
| 17:21:21 | wedge | think not, that i am mad. |
| 17:25:37 | BZFlag | tries to imagine what wedge would do sitting in BZFlag's basement with 900+ TuxScreens |
| 17:26:33 | prpplague | a linux guru afloat a sea of tuxscreens |
| 17:27:31 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: I have a couple of "sample" accelerometer ic's and am going to design a "dongle" that would plug into the bottom of the ipaq |
| 17:27:35 | cory | pump up the jam |
| 17:27:47 | cory | how many of these babies are left? |
| 17:28:04 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: interface through serial port |
| 17:28:04 | BZFlag | sees that cory can't read the topic |
| 17:28:20 | cory | BZFlag: indeed, because there is no topic |
| 17:28:28 | cory | BZFlag: according to my irc client, at least. |
| 17:28:51 | cory | well, thanks :) |
| 17:28:54 | BZFlag | over 900 is the short answer |
| 17:37:20 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: Cool..... I kinda like the concept, expect it probably would get you arrested if you are trying to scroll a web page on the bus... :) |
| 17:43:14 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: something like this: http://bodotill.suburbia.com.au/adxl202/adxl202.html |
| 17:44:50 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: Beautiful. I love the idea of rotating the screen so it stays upright no matter which way you turn it |
| 17:46:32 | bworth | yeah, i hear that the backpaq's are really sweet, and it would be nice to be able to put some of that tech into the hands of the common users, so to speak |
| 17:48:22 | bworth | (and you could design some really cool games) If the homemade dongles become popular enough, maybe compaq would consider either an add on or a sleve with integrated accelerometer |
| 17:49:39 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: i have 2 ic's, so hopefully i'll figure it out without frying both of them |
| 18:13:29 | travis_143cw | the whole gang of OPs in here, wow |
| 18:16:47 | prpplague | is away: lunch |
| 18:26:17 | AlHazWork | hmm |
| 18:27:15 | AlHazWork | momos on /. think they're gonna see xscale cpus in ipaqs |
| 18:27:29 | AlHazWork | you'd burn your hand on the heatsink, frankly |
| 18:28:08 | AlHazWork | well, maybe not, the little stick of lithium polymer would only power it for about 5 minutes |
| 18:30:27 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, you got a little angry there.... :) |
| 18:41:16 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I shouldn't let moronic ACs get to me, but dammit . . . |
| 18:42:21 | GoRK | oOoOoO vim 6 |
| 18:42:56 | andersee | GoRK: already installed. Works great (but then so did the vim 6 betas) |
| 18:43:26 | GoRK | has it been debianized yet? |
| 18:43:37 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: the phrase " damn man read shit before spouting your mouth off like an ass." kinda ticked me off . . . |
| 18:43:49 | AlHazWork | considering I've read the datasheets |
| 18:43:52 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: I agree. |
| 18:44:04 | AlHazWork | intel is still declining to publish the "typical" power requirements |
| 18:44:37 | andersee | 6.24 "Jigga"watts |
| 18:44:50 | AlHazWork | the 80200 at 400mhz draws a maximum of .4 watts, but the datasheets for the io companion chip tell all about how your heatsink, should you end up needing one, needs to be efficent at 110c . . . . |
| 18:45:01 | AlHazWork | hot enough to boil water is not something you put in your pocket |
| 18:45:51 | CosmicPenguin | Heck, the 36XX is hot enough as it is.... Try playing doom for a while with your fingers resting on the back... |
| 18:45:58 | AlHazWork | i couldn't find any wattage requirements for the companion chip, but one could probably do the math from 110c vs. 1.5v |
| 18:46:05 | andersee | The question then is, how low can you clock them? |
| 18:46:31 | andersee | AlHazWork: twinkle twinke little star, power equals i^2 are |
| 18:46:50 | AlHazWork | andersee: that's a consideration, but the reason the sa1110 is good in handhelds is because of all the integrated peripherals |
| 18:47:03 | AlHazWork | and the xscale has no integrated peripherals |
| 18:47:21 | andersee | AlHazWork: Ugh. None? Sucks rocks through a straw then |
| 18:47:32 | AlHazWork | andersee: Not a single one, and neither does the io companion chip |
| 18:47:43 | AlHazWork | andersee: the io companion chip has a PCI-PCI bridge, tho |
| 18:48:08 | AlHazWork | which really should say a lot about what they designed it for |
| 18:48:59 | andersee | Cool. I'll just stick a GeForce 9million and a few fibre channel raid controllers into the PCI bus on my next gen IPAQ... |
| 18:49:05 | andersee | Should need much more power |
| 18:49:21 | cworth | AlHazWork: wasn't there a similar progression with SA11XX from a part with no integration to the SA1110 with lots of integration? |
| 18:50:04 | AlHazWork | cworth: Well, i'm only aware of the sa110, sa1100, and sa1110, and i don't know anything about the sa110 |
| 18:50:35 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I've got a plutonium rod to power it for you... I'll give it to you cheap! :) |
| 18:50:57 | AlHazWork | http://developer.intel.com/design/iio/devtools/80310_order.htm <-- Free iop310 xscale development kit, aparantly |
| 18:51:04 | AlHazWork | iirc it's a pci card |
| 18:51:11 | cworth | AlHazWork: I don't know much myself, but I would expect a followon xscale to have more integrated pieces, (not that I'm privy to any information). |
| 18:51:20 | AlHazWork | and it comes with an evaluation copy of BlueCat Linux |
| 18:51:31 | andersee | AlHazWork: I've got an sa110 in my NetWinder.... |
| 18:51:46 | AlHazWork | cworth: Yeah, it would make sense, but i don't know what intel has in mind for the future |
| 18:51:50 | andersee | Not much integration on that one |
| 18:52:02 | AlHazWork | cworth: I do know that palm has put the thumb screws on motorola to produce an ARM based dragonball |
| 18:52:14 | AlHazWork | cworth: which would probably have a similar feature set |
| 18:52:18 | AlHazWork | as a strongarm, I mean |
| 18:52:33 | cworth | AlhazWork: always hard to predict that. :) But they seem bent on not competing with x86, (ie. no floating point ever *sigh*). |
| 18:53:02 | AlHazWork | cworth: Yeah. You want low-power floating point, you'll have to use an SH |
| 18:53:03 | andersee | AlHazWork: but motorolla already has the coldfire, which is pretty effective |
| 18:53:24 | AlHazWork | andersee: Yeah, just saying what I've heard |
| 18:53:57 | AlHazWork | cworth: SH4 does about 940 megaflops at 1w, iirc |
| 18:53:57 | andersee | Having motorola make an arm chip (much as I personally like arm) seems self defeating... |
| 18:54:08 | AlHazWork | andersee: Yeah, but Palm is self defeating |
| 18:54:16 | andersee | lol1 |
| 18:54:18 | andersee | lol! |
| 18:54:51 | cworth | AlHazWork: yup. we've got some SH4 projects here. |
| 18:54:59 | GoRK | mmm sh4 yum |
| 18:54:59 | AlHazWork | andersee: the top-of-the-line Palm costs as much as a color ipaq, except it's 1/6th the speed, with 1/4th the ram, and 1/8th the flash . . . . |
| 18:55:38 | andersee | AlHazWork: but thats mostly Palms fault... |
| 18:55:45 | AlHazWork | andersee: Yep |
| 18:55:45 | GoRK | and the battery life is not enough to justify it for the top of the line palm |
| 18:55:56 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Cool... I just built netfilter userland apps with uclibc... only about 240K... |
| 18:56:22 | AlHazWork | andersee: Well, I don't know what the constraints on a VZ are, the EZ chip can only address 8 megs of ram |
| 18:56:38 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: cool. Yeah, I made sure those worked... They do lots of dlopen() things |
| 18:57:04 | GoRK | no-one should ever need more than 8192K |
| 18:57:05 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: BTW, I checked in the header file retrofit last night/early this morning |
| 18:57:40 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: uClibc headers are now almost 100% glibc 2.2.4 |
| 18:57:57 | GoRK | how's c++ coming along? |
| 18:57:57 | AlHazWork | Lets see if intel will send me a free dev kit . . |
| 18:58:13 | GoRK | i am tring to compile perl |
| 18:58:16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Also maked this a lot cleaner, making c++ and libstdc++ feasible... |
| 18:58:18 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: bad ass! |
| 18:58:25 | AlHazWork | Rather, if they'll send Advanced Reality Engineering a free dev kit . . . |
| 18:59:10 | andersee | GoRK: I'm hoping to convince someone to cough up some money to persuade me to finish it... ;-) |
| 18:59:24 | GoRK | AlHaz: I got a free cell computing CardPC like that :) |
| 18:59:24 | andersee | is feeling mercenary today |
| 18:59:36 | GoRK | ill send you five bucks, andersee :) |
| 19:00:03 | GoRK | besides, we know you already have the patches waiting to be committed to cvs ehhehehe |
| 19:00:07 | AlHazWork | GoRK: They said it's free, didn't ask for a credit card number or anything . . . |
| 19:01:22 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: They're paying for shipping too? |
| 19:02:37 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Yup |
| 19:02:48 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: just asked for address & phone number, then said "you'll get it in 2 weeks" |
| 19:03:24 | CosmicPenguin | Wow.... |
| 19:04:00 | AlHazWork | 'course, I wonder if some salesdroid is gonna try and call me to see if I'm really a company |
| 19:04:01 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 19:04:37 | AlHazWork | I never answer the phone during business hours (not home), and the message on the answering machine is sufficently vague . . . who knows, we'll see |
| 19:04:48 | AlHazWork | I coulda ordered one as me@lineo, I guess |
| 19:04:55 | AlHazWork | heck, maybe I will |
| 19:06:18 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:49:30) |
| 19:12:00 | wedge | anyone currently unidle got any tips about the 5v pcmcia hack? |
| 19:12:06 | wedge | sorry to keep asking the question... |
| 19:12:52 | andersee | If anyone has ideas/time, a wiki page would be nice... |
| 19:13:07 | GoRK | a wiki page for adding 5V? |
| 19:16:19 | wedge | yeah. |
| 19:16:31 | wedge | i'd really love to use this cisco 802.11 card |
| 19:16:47 | wedge | does anyone know when the CF 802.11 card is coming out? |
| 19:17:12 | GoRK | D-Link has one, i know |
| 19:17:35 | GoRK | cdw is runnign them on a special. at least i got a mailer for a special on them today |
| 19:17:41 | wedge | a 3.3v 802.11 card? |
| 19:17:46 | GoRK | yeah it's CF |
| 19:17:49 | wedge | oh hell yeah. |
| 19:17:53 | wedge | damn, GoRK. |
| 19:17:54 | GoRK | there are a bunch |
| 19:17:55 | wedge | you da frickin man |
| 19:18:31 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Any idea what chipset those D-Links use? |
| 19:19:01 | GoRK | nope lemme go get the flyer. i already trashed it. probably should make sure it was really a dlink |
| 19:26:31 | GoRK | ok i added a page on 5V PCMCIA. it's going to be up to interested people to fill it with good info now |
| 19:26:37 | GoRK | it's PCMCIA-5V |
| 19:27:43 | andersee | I believe BZFlag knows some details... Shaggy claimed it to be easy... |
| 19:28:18 | GoRK | it really should be |
| 19:29:20 | GoRK | ok this CF card is a D-Link Air card CDW part number 310913 $124 |
| 19:32:47 | wedge | cool... |
| 19:32:51 | wedge | where's the URL amigo? |
| 19:33:03 | GoRK | cdw.com and type the part number in the search box |
| 19:33:41 | wedge | i mean for the 5v page you wrote |
| 19:33:59 | GoRK | go to the tuxscreen.net wiki and punch PCMCIA-5V into the box |
| 19:36:38 | wedge | word. |
| 19:36:39 | wedge | got it. |
| 19:36:50 | wedge | so at least the framework for the doc is up there to give us hope :) |
| 19:49:52 | scanline | Is this it: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=320850 |
| 19:58:53 | BZFlag | Lucent did the hack. Shaggy has one, but has not looked at it closely. |
| 19:59:23 | BZFlag | Lucent promised to release the docs on how to do it, but can't seem to get signoff from anyone there for permission. |
| 20:08:00 | GoRK | shaggy needs to hang in here :) |
| 20:08:54 | wedge | hell yeah :) |
| 20:09:02 | wedge | man. |
| 20:09:07 | wedge | i'm dying for 5v card support. |
| 20:09:20 | wedge | i don't wanna fork out for a CF and the swanky little CF 802.11 card if I don't have to.... |
| 20:09:31 | wedge | if i get time tonight, i'll hit up some people to see if i can aid in the effort. |
| 20:12:31 | scanline | GoRK: I've got a Tuxscreen on the way, I'm anxious to try out the PicoGUI support :) |
| 20:12:57 | GoRK | scanline: when i finish the keyboard driver im going to get a release ready |
| 20:13:37 | scanline | GoRK: Do you have a sourceforge login? |
| 20:13:48 | GoRK | yeah |
| 20:13:54 | GoRK | oh |
| 20:13:55 | GoRK | it's you |
| 20:13:56 | GoRK | hehehehe |
| 20:13:59 | scanline | is Micah |
| 20:14:25 | scanline | I should probably add you to the picogui project so you can use CVS |
| 20:14:34 | GoRK | that'd be great |
| 20:15:22 | GoRK | my sf account is just 'gork' |
| 20:15:25 | scanline | ok |
| 20:15:48 | scanline | you're in |
| 20:16:01 | wedge | man.... |
| 20:16:04 | wedge | just so you fellaz know.. |
| 20:16:08 | wedge | yer efforts are greatly appreciated. |
| 20:16:32 | scanline | Programming is fun, especially on embedded systems |
| 20:16:37 | GoRK | excelent. i'll clean up the touchscreen driver and get it in there. |
| 20:16:42 | scanline | cool |
| 20:17:04 | GoRK | got the alignment fixed in the blit function but tileblit still crashes it |
| 20:17:34 | scanline | Yeah, I've been wanting an ARM platform to play with, so I couldn't resist getting a tuxscreen |
| 20:17:50 | scanline | I'll take a look at it as soon as my tuxscreen comes in and I get linux on it |
| 20:18:15 | scanline | I sent $108.50 to Sales@TuxScreen.net a couple days ago |
| 20:19:23 | wedge | fellaz. |
| 20:19:31 | wedge | stupid question... |
| 20:19:56 | wedge | i need a gui on my tuxscreen that'll allow me to write apps in tcl/tk for a front end to stuff... |
| 20:20:01 | wedge | what should i work with? |
| 20:20:09 | wedge | i'd be fine just writing java applpications too... |
| 20:20:13 | wedge | which way should i go? |
| 20:20:14 | scanline | I don't know if microwindows has tcl/tk bindings |
| 20:20:23 | wedge | yeah.. i dunno either. |
| 20:20:35 | pattieja | VNC? :) |
| 20:20:56 | scanline | Yeah, VNC makes it possible to run Mozilla on a Palm Pilot :) |
| 20:21:42 | pattieja | hehe |
| 20:22:58 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:23:09 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Microwindows doesn't have Tcl/Tk bndings... but in association with boris, I'm adding bindings to Ferite instead.... |
| 20:24:41 | GoRK | i am working on getting perl running on the tuxscreen so i can use the picogui perl bindings. pgui+perl shouldn't be very heavy perhaps a teeny bit under 1MB |
| 20:25:13 | scanline | the perl bindings for picogui are a bit out of date |
| 20:25:14 | GoRK | it'd be a fun environment for people to code for the tuxscreen w/o having to set up a crossdev environment |
| 20:25:38 | wedge | pattieja: but will VNC write directly to the frame buffer without having to run an X server? |
| 20:25:41 | GoRK | well it's not like they can't be updated though. do they even work at this point? |
| 20:25:43 | BZFlag | heh, install debian-arm over nfs, and that's what you get. a native build env. |
| 20:25:54 | scanline | they work, just missing various things |
| 20:26:10 | BZFlag | wedge: there is a vncfb project, yes. |
| 20:26:17 | wedge | i'm not familiar with Ferite |
| 20:26:20 | wedge | is it an actual X server? |
| 20:26:26 | scanline | http://www.ferite.org |
| 20:26:26 | wedge | or direct->frame buffer |
| 20:26:35 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: You can fit perl < 1MB? |
| 20:27:03 | wedge | yeah. |
| 20:27:06 | GoRK | should be able to |
| 20:27:10 | CosmicPenguin | I have VNC running via Microwindows on the Tuxscreen.... I'll try to get screenshots tommorrow... |
| 20:27:13 | wedge | don see why not |
| 20:27:19 | BZFlag | ferite tries to be a language. ;-) |
| 20:27:22 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Let me know when you do, I'd like to see that.... |
| 20:27:23 | wedge | CP: nice |
| 20:27:48 | wedge | i'm just lookin for the easiest route to do gui application development on my tuxscreen. |
| 20:28:31 | scanline | wedge: I guess 'easy' depends on what type of GUI programming you're used to |
| 20:28:32 | BZFlag | wedge: got a server for nfs root export? |
| 20:29:10 | CosmicPenguin | There's the python guy right there..... |
| 20:29:19 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: How big is python sitting at right now? |
| 20:29:27 | CosmicPenguin | On the tuxscreen I mean |
| 20:29:29 | wedge | BZFlag: yeah. using a dnard |
| 20:29:43 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Im a little drunk |
| 20:29:46 | wedge | the only real gui programming i'm good with is java |
| 20:29:52 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: just got in from the pub |
| 20:29:55 | BZFlag | "easiest" is debian-arm over nfs. then any X app that handles 8 bit displays should work. That also happens to be the _largest_ solution with not a prayer of fitting into the internal flash. |
| 20:29:56 | wedge | heh |
| 20:30:04 | wedge | heh |
| 20:30:08 | wedge | yeah. space isn't an issue |
| 20:30:11 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: no worries, I won't ask you the tough questions any more.... |
| 20:30:11 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Python binary weighs in at about 500k |
| 20:30:12 | wedge | cuz i'll be exporting a file system off of the dnard |
| 20:30:19 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: stripped |
| 20:30:46 | wedge | bzflag: i'm thinking tcl/tk would be easiest for me. |
| 20:30:51 | wedge | i'm no great c programmer. |
| 20:30:53 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Your probably talking another 500k for a nice amount of Python libs on top of that |
| 20:31:01 | wedge | would i be able to use that? even if i were just xhosting off of the dnard? |
| 20:31:37 | BZFlag | the bonus with debian nfs and X is that you will be able to run X apps on x86 machines and display them on the tux too. course vnc would give that as well. |
| 20:31:44 | GoRK | see? no reason you couldnt get perl into 1MB |
| 20:31:51 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: VNC doesn't do it as well as X |
| 20:31:58 | GoRK | BZFlag: picogui also :) |
| 20:32:04 | BZFlag | wedge: yes. tcl/tk should run of nfs no problem. |
| 20:32:19 | wedge | sweet |
| 20:32:28 | wedge | so which gui should i download for my tuxscreen, bzflag? |
| 20:32:32 | wedge | sorry for teh stupid q's, btw. |
| 20:32:48 | BZFlag | GoRK: but for picogui you can only run picogui apps, not and X app. |
| 20:32:53 | wedge | if it's any consolation, i've sent a few buyers your way :) |
| 20:33:05 | BZFlag | wedge: DL em all an try em. ;-) |
| 20:33:30 | GoRK | well nobody said it was X :) but you can run x86 pgui apps cross displayed to the tuxscreen is all i was saying |
| 20:33:49 | BZFlag | I use debian-arm with X on mine at home. But I mean to try CosmicPenguin's microwindows port in the buildroot soon. |
| 20:34:15 | BZFlag | GoRK: cool. |
| 20:34:45 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: why did you ask about Python |
| 20:35:06 | GoRK | mallum: because i hypothesized i could fit perl into 1MB |
| 20:35:35 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Just thinking about scripting languages... I need microwindows bindings, but I 'm not sure what to use.... |
| 20:36:56 | scanline | i wonder if there's a microwindows IRC channel... |
| 20:37:09 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Nope... but if there was, I would be the only one in it... :( |
| 20:38:02 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Ever find the URL for that DLink card? |
| 20:38:51 | GoRK | yeah hang on |
| 20:39:00 | GoRK | err |
| 20:39:46 | GoRK | just go to cdw.com and type 310913 in the search box |
| 20:39:59 | CosmicPenguin | k... thanks |
| 20:40:25 | GoRK | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=310913 |
| 20:40:27 | GoRK | there it is |
| 20:42:32 | mallum | GoRK: I think ifs difficult to get Perl small |
| 20:42:47 | mallum | GoRK: and its even more of a pain than Python to x-compile |
| 20:43:14 | mallum | GoRK: And once you code a bit of Python, you begin to hate Perl :) |
| 20:44:40 | scanline | Python has that 'dl' library that lets you use C libraries easily |
| 20:49:31 | mallum | yep. its a lot easier to extend Python than Perl |
| 20:49:41 | mallum | Can I rant about Perl ? |
| 20:50:03 | scanline | likes perl |
| 20:50:39 | mallum | used to like perl |
| 20:51:27 | scanline | likes perl, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to learn python |
| 20:52:24 | mallum | scanline: you use emacs ? |
| 20:52:30 | BZFlag | hates perl, but uses it all the time cause it works and it's easy to find the pieces. |
| 20:52:40 | scanline | puts on his flame suit |
| 20:52:43 | scanline | mallum: yes |
| 20:53:16 | BZFlag | tried that emacsOS once but decided he like linux better. |
| 20:53:38 | mallum | scanline: well, the thing that turns most people off about python is the indentation but you _soon_ get used to it and using emacs python mode makes it a dream |
| 20:54:06 | BZFlag | wow emacs and dream in the same sentence. |
| 20:54:21 | scanline | I'm not opposed to python, I just don't know it yet. I even have a Python o'reilly book, but I forgot to bring it to my dorm |
| 20:54:24 | mallum | thinks there is python mode for vim too |
| 20:58:09 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: I assume from that comment that you are excited about VIM 6.0.... :) |
| 20:58:46 | scanline | I have a friend that IM'ed me just to say he was downloading VIM 6.0 :) |
| 20:59:28 | GoRK | what would happen if i said one time i burned a python book |
| 20:59:36 | GoRK | i didnt really but what if i did? |
| 21:00:05 | scanline | I'd ask you if it was your python book |
| 21:00:50 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: perhaps... as long as it still loads fast. |
| 21:02:13 | mallum | GoRK: why did you burn it ? |
| 21:02:26 | GoRK | i didnt |
| 21:02:31 | mallum | BZFlag: emacs21 loads incredably fast :) |
| 21:02:55 | mallum | GoRK: oh ok |
| 21:03:50 | mallum | dismounts his python advocacy horse |
| 21:04:16 | GoRK | hehehe |
| 21:04:17 | scanline | takes off his flame suit |
| 21:04:23 | GoRK | parrot |
| 21:05:02 | mallum | I went to a Perl mongers talk about parrot |
| 21:05:24 | scanline | So it's a real language now, eh? |
| 21:05:28 | mallum | it dont have a stack |
| 21:05:32 | mallum | only registers |
| 21:05:37 | GoRK | it's beginning |
| 21:05:39 | mallum | 32 of each type |
| 21:05:40 | scanline | no recursion? |
| 21:05:57 | mallum | so what happens when you use more than 32 of one type of variable |
| 21:06:06 | GoRK | a grue eats you |
| 21:06:21 | scanline | enters a maze of twisty passages, all alike |
| 21:06:22 | mallum | sometimes thinks Perl is like a cult |
| 21:07:06 | mallum | notices they all wear t-shirts saying 'Perl is my bitch - use strict;' |
| 21:07:32 | scanline | yikes |
| 21:08:03 | scanline | I like the encryption routines written in perl that fit on a t-shirt |
| 21:08:26 | mallum | especially when worn out of the uS |
| 21:08:50 | scanline | yep |
| 21:09:02 | scanline | of course, the CSS t-shirt is always illegal |
| 21:09:09 | scanline | I have one of those :) |
| 21:09:22 | mallum | hey anybody seen them aubrey machines for 89$ |
| 21:09:46 | CosmicPenguin | s/aubrey/audrey/?? |
| 21:09:57 | mallum | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=M975-9000%20P |
| 21:10:03 | CosmicPenguin | Yes... pattieja has been playing with one for a while.... |
| 21:10:13 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hey, remember I've had a few drinks |
| 21:10:41 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: True..... 5 out of 6 is good...... |
| 21:10:50 | mallum | I dont think there as cool as the tux's - no phone and a bit too overdesigned from a visual point of view |
| 21:11:06 | scanline | quote from the web page: "Audrey isn't a computer". Sounds like a challenge. |
| 21:11:09 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: are they any good , they run qnx right ? |
| 21:11:28 | CosmicPenguin | It has a Geode, so you've got the whole X86 thing going for you, which is nice... |
| 21:11:58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I believe they run some sort of QNX... like I said, pattieja is the Audrey expert around here... |
| 21:12:09 | AlHazWork | it doesn't have regular bios per se, so I hear |
| 21:12:27 | AlHazWork | has an IPL in the same flash as qnx |
| 21:12:39 | | audrey is http://www.audreyhacking.com/ |
| 21:12:39 | CosmicPenguin | ibot:audrey |
| 21:12:50 | CosmicPenguin | So there you go... |
| 21:13:42 | mallum | heh |
| 21:14:10 | mallum | is ashamed to be not very 'with it' |
| 21:14:53 | scanline | Heh. they even have info on overclocking the audreys. scary |
| 21:18:05 | prpplague | anyone working on getting linux running on those cidco email terminals? |
| 21:21:35 | mallum | are they them email terminals that look like 80's word processors |
| 21:21:46 | prpplague | mallum: ya thats them |
| 21:23:53 | mallum | I like to to Linux on an Atari portfolio first :) |
| 21:24:12 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Knowing cidco's habits, I sincerely doubt that the processor in them can run anything vaguely like linux |
| 21:24:27 | AlHazWork | prpplague: they probably have 512k of ram |
| 21:25:18 | mallum | who is cidco ? |
| 21:25:57 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Have you looked at the specs on the InfoGear page of the wiki? That's the big brother of a cidco product |
| 21:27:03 | AlHazWork | mallum: company that markets some internet access products, or once did. |
| 21:27:52 | mallum | AlHazWork: oh ok, thought it was a person |
| 21:28:07 | prpplague | AlHazWork: naw, haven't looked at it. i'm still skinning my own cat... |
| 21:28:37 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Another browserphone. 10mhz cpu designed for fax machines, 2 megs ram, 2 megs flash. |
| 21:28:59 | AlHazWork | it's the big version, the cidco iphone has a lot less in it |
| 21:29:13 | prpplague | x86? |
| 21:29:26 | AlHazWork | prpplague: National Semiconductor 32000 series |
| 21:29:33 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:29:44 | AlHazWork | vax-alike, at a very basic level |
| 21:30:09 | AlHazWork | it's an impressive work from an efficency perspective |
| 21:30:27 | AlHazWork | the browser supports frames, tables, ssl, javascript, etc |
| 21:31:21 | AlHazWork | the mailstation probably has an 8 or 16 bit cpu in it |
| 21:32:08 | prpplague | AlHazWork: that was my thought |
| 21:32:39 | prpplague | checks out the elks page for status info |
| 21:33:24 | AlHazWork | I'm surprised nobody has cracked one open and looked at the board yet |
| 21:33:58 | wedge | man. |
| 21:34:02 | wedge | i missed a good vi/emacs debate. |
| 21:34:20 | scanline | makes sure his flame suit is handy |
| 21:35:44 | wedge | emacs is great if you want your text editor to load a virtual machine, web browser, mail client, gps system.... |
| 21:35:57 | wedge | shoves that 12 meg binary into memory real quickly on a good gigahertz machine! |
| 21:36:01 | wedge | heh. |
| 21:36:08 | wedge | sprays himself with flame retardant quickly |
| 21:36:48 | scanline | me looks for a can of gasoline |
| 21:36:55 | scanline | looks for a can of gasoline |
| 21:36:58 | wedge | heheheh |
| 21:36:59 | wedge | doh! |
| 21:37:09 | scanline | must have something wrong with his / key... |
| 21:37:28 | wedge | i bought a cray one time so i could run emacs quickly. wanted to edit a couple of 1k text files. |
| 21:37:43 | scanline | Have they ported emacs to the cray? |
| 21:37:46 | wedge | heheeh. |
| 21:37:48 | wedge | no idea. |
| 21:37:56 | wedge | i'm sure. |
| 21:38:00 | scanline | emacs runs great on my palm pilot! |
| 21:38:04 | prpplague | AlHazWork: http://linux-hacker.net/ms/ms.html |
| 21:38:14 | scanline | along with Xfree86 and Windows 2000! |
| 21:38:21 | wedge | nice. |
| 21:38:36 | wedge | would buy a handspring with the visorphone if you could get service through someone other than Xingular |
| 21:38:39 | scanline | i admit emacs is big, but it's worth it |
| 21:38:49 | wedge | course, i think i'm gonna ditch cell phones altogether and just active the one that's in my stupid car. |
| 21:39:38 | wedge | but anyway.. about that tuxscreen... |
| 21:39:45 | prpplague | i might sound like an idiot, but i really like mcedit |
| 21:39:55 | CosmicPenguin | wedge: Didn't you hear, we only run emacs on the tuxcscreen..... :) |
| 21:40:00 | wedge | heheheh |
| 21:40:05 | wedge | sobs. |
| 21:40:18 | scanline | will have a text editor for PicoGUI done "real soon now" |
| 21:40:23 | wedge | where'd you get a 64meg memory upgrade for the tuxscreen? :) |
| 21:40:24 | wedge | hehehe. |
| 21:40:43 | scanline | I suppose you could use a CF card for swap space |
| 21:40:43 | wedge | btw... |
| 21:40:48 | CosmicPenguin | Nope... its running in conjunction with GoRK's 1MB perl distro.... |
| 21:40:52 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 21:41:03 | wedge | yeah. you could maybe run emacs if you could swap out to a 96 meg flash care |
| 21:41:07 | wedge | ^care^card |
| 21:41:30 | wedge | question.... now that i'm running linux on my tuxscreen.... |
| 21:41:53 | wedge | if i comile a new kernel for it... do i need to get it onto the bootflash via serial still? or can i copy one from a CF flash card straight into boot flash from the shell? |
| 21:41:58 | wedge | <- tard |
| 21:42:10 | Russ | wedge: why not? |
| 21:42:17 | wedge | cool. |
| 21:42:21 | wedge | and how does one go about doing that? |
| 21:42:26 | wedge | can you mount the boot flash? |
| 21:42:32 | wedge | or do you just cat directly to the device? |
| 21:42:35 | Russ | cp image /dev/mtdblock? |
| 21:42:45 | Russ | or eraseall /dev/mtd? |
| 21:42:51 | Russ | cat image > /dev/mtd? |
| 21:42:58 | wedge | any of the above, eh? |
| 21:43:12 | Russ | one of the two |
| 21:43:15 | wedge | yeah. |
| 21:43:22 | wedge | thanks russ |
| 21:45:45 | mallum | uses jove if he wants a fast loading editor with superior emacs key bindings |
| 21:46:25 | scanline | When I used to do almost all my PicoGUI development on a 486, I used jed |
| 21:46:33 | wedge | i prefer ed |
| 21:46:36 | wedge | or a chisel and stone tablet. |
| 21:46:38 | mallum | also notes people should check emacs21 loading speed |
| 21:46:43 | scanline | It was quite emacs-like, and worked on a 486 with 8MB of ram |
| 21:47:09 | wedge | when i was your age, we used rocks and sticks to hack out assembler for our abacuses and we LIKED it that way. |
| 21:47:16 | mallum | I used to use jed for my mail, but I got a faster laptops and can now use emacs :)))))) |
| 21:48:11 | scanline | I upgraded from a 486 w/ 8MB of RAM and a builtin printer to a 500mhz G3 ibook2 :) |
| 21:48:31 | scanline | My ibook2's RAM is bigger than the 486's hard disk |
| 21:48:59 | mallum | I got a compaq armarda p500, 320 megs for 400 quid via ebay |
| 21:49:30 | scanline | The 486 was $78 on ebay |
| 21:49:41 | scanline | most of that was S&H |
| 21:50:44 | mallum | scanline: are you a friend of Gorks ? |
| 21:51:01 | mallum | scanline: he does picoGui stuff too |
| 21:51:06 | scanline | mallum: I don't know him in person, but I know him via picogui |
| 21:51:46 | scanline | started the PicoGUI project |
| 21:52:54 | mallum | scanline: oh cool, reeeeeeespect . |
| 21:53:16 | scanline | Darn, that's what I get for starting a project that just happens to be useful :) |
| 21:54:22 | mallum | scanline: I've played with it breifly on my laptop .. wont be much use on my tuxscreen as yet due to it being one of the ones with the wierd touchscreens |
| 21:54:44 | mallum | scanline: when I get the time, I'd like to write some Python binding for it |
| 21:54:46 | scanline | wierd touchscreens? |
| 21:55:07 | scanline | mallum: Cool. I don't know much python, but I used the dl module to make a "Hello World" program once |
| 21:55:22 | scanline | It only called pgInit and pgMessageDialog :) |
| 21:56:09 | mallum | it would be nice to fit python and picoGui on the tuxscreen |
| 21:56:26 | mallum | could write some apps fast with some nice python bindings then |
| 21:56:29 | scanline | that would be cool |
| 21:57:02 | scanline | I ordered my tuxscreen via Paypal on tuesday. Still need to order an ethernet card for it... |
| 21:57:09 | mallum | I was argueing with somebody tonight about X and said they should check picoGui |
| 21:57:15 | scanline | :) |
| 21:57:29 | mallum | they were using that other X competitor .... Berlin ? |
| 21:57:49 | scanline | I haven't heard of it |
| 21:58:10 | mallum | I dont think it uses the fb |
| 21:58:21 | scanline | I'm looking at http://berlin.sourceforge.net ... |
| 21:58:53 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:58:55 | scanline | interesting |
| 21:58:59 | AlHazWork | berlin seems to be still mostly in the design stages |
| 21:59:13 | scanline | Well, PicoGUI doesn't really have any apps yet |
| 21:59:38 | AlHazWork | Running Berlin |
| 21:59:38 | AlHazWork | Berlin is not yet ready to replace X (or any other windowing system) |
| 21:59:38 | AlHazWork | for even the most adventuresome of users. |
| 21:59:42 | mallum | scanline: you have an agenda ? |
| 21:59:53 | scanline | I'm working on adding text layout capabilities that will make it easy (and small) to do word processing, web browsing, etc. |
| 22:00:16 | scanline | mallum: No agenda. I have a Helio, a uCsimm, and a Kiwi. |
| 22:00:41 | scanline | I'd like to have something for every CPU :) |
| 22:00:46 | scanline | Agenda and Helio both use MIPS |
| 22:01:08 | scanline | PicoGUI still has some problems with ARM. Hopefully I can debug them on the Tuxscreen |
| 22:01:32 | BZFlag | gets a lot of toys from Lineo projects. |
| 22:02:22 | prpplague | BZFlag: i bet |
| 22:02:24 | scanline | wants a uCdimm, but thinks they're too expensive |
| 22:02:53 | mallum | scanline: I have an ipaq with a microdrive ( bricked at the mo ) so if you want me to test compile anything for you just ask |
| 22:03:05 | BZFlag | has a 900+ tux's ;-), agenda, yopy, ipaq, zaurus, clio, hitachi 630E, ricoh i700, helio, compaq ia1, i-opener, etc. |
| 22:03:08 | scanline | cool |
| 22:03:36 | BZFlag | many from Lineo, some from side projects. |
| 22:03:49 | scanline | The iPaq seems to be the dominant linux handheld platform |
| 22:03:56 | BZFlag | should start a TimsToys page someplace. ;-) |
| 22:03:56 | scanline | but a 200mhz handheld just seems weird to me |
| 22:04:41 | Russ | why? |
| 22:04:58 | scanline | 200mhz == high power consumption |
| 22:05:08 | BZFlag | scanline: remember the CPU speed is not fixed under Linux. It should be able to run down to 39MHz? |
| 22:05:31 | scanline | My Palm III hits its top speed at 16mhz, and I'm proud of it! |
| 22:05:33 | Russ | scanline: not really, its pretty low consumption |
| 22:05:45 | Russ | not quite as low as a palm granted |
| 22:05:56 | BZFlag | as2: got my email? |
| 22:09:46 | mallum | scanline: whats a kiwi ? |
| 22:10:33 | scanline | mallum: A little 68EZ328 board i wire-wrapped. It boots uClinux and it has a 240x64 display, but doesn't really do much |
| 22:10:47 | scanline | There are pictures at http://kiwi.sourceforge.net |
| 22:11:50 | scanline | Well, it's partially wirewrapped, partially PCB, and partially wires-soldered-directly-to-SMT-chips |
| 22:12:35 | mallum | scanline: cool, do you run that project too ? |
| 22:12:48 | scanline | it's not much of a project, but yeah |
| 22:13:19 | scanline | PicoGUI started out as the GUI for the Kiwi project, but PicoGUI sort of took over |
| 22:13:39 | CosmicPenguin | scanline - I wonder if there is a picogui IRC channel |
| 22:14:02 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: Actually, yeah. I was playing around with Chanserv :) |
| 22:16:35 | prpplague | night all |
| 22:23:42 | scanline | Hmm... Actually, PicoGUI started out as the Kiwi project. The Kiwi project was basically a redesign of the Typemate project. Typemate was supposed to be a really inexpensive PDA with a text LCD and PS/2 keyboard. And Typemate was started when I told Brandon that a portable Commodore 64 wouldn't be practical |
| 22:25:55 | mallum | heh, cool |
| 22:26:41 | scanline | We actually got the Typemate thing working too. It just wasn't practical |
| 22:27:12 | AlHazWork | ps/2 keyboards are hard to fit in suit pockets |
| 22:27:34 | wedge | ping timeout.. |
| 22:27:37 | wedge | whose idea was IRC anyway? |
| 22:27:41 | scanline | yeah. The idea was to have a detachable keyboard, so you could use 3 buttons on the front to view data, and plug in the keyboard when you want to type |
| 22:27:42 | wedge | what was wrong with muds and tinyfugue? |
| 22:27:47 | wedge | stupid ass client... |
| 22:28:22 | scanline | I built the prototype with a little 12-bit PIC16C57 microcontroller |
| 22:28:28 | AlHazWork | the xircom rex was a neat idea, pda as a pcmcia card |
| 22:28:36 | andersee | just got back from visiting CompUSA |
| 22:28:49 | wedge | where do you live, andersee? |
| 22:28:51 | scanline | Yeah. It would have been kinda like that, but with a keyboard, and selling for about $30 |
| 22:28:56 | andersee | The NetGeal FA411 works just fine in the phone... |
| 22:29:07 | andersee | wedge: Salt Lake City, Utah |
| 22:29:11 | wedge | word. |
| 22:29:16 | andersee | s/NetGeal/NetGear/g |
| 22:29:18 | wedge | got CompUSA there too, eh? |
| 22:29:25 | andersee | yup |
| 22:29:39 | scanline | I think CompUSA is everywhere |
| 22:29:49 | scanline | well, at least in the USA |
| 22:30:09 | andersee | I bought two NICS -- figured I'd return one, but help others with the testing by checking two NICS... |
| 22:30:57 | wedge | i know this is the Wrong_Forum(tm) but i thought i'd ask... |
| 22:31:02 | wedge | any of you sun geeks? |
| 22:31:17 | mallum | AlHazWork: I have this role up ps/2 keyboard ... that would fit in a pocket ( just ) |
| 22:31:22 | scanline | day star! |
| 22:31:25 | wedge | ooh. i saw that. |
| 22:31:27 | wedge | is it the blue one? |
| 22:31:29 | AlHazWork | mallum: I've seen pictures of those |
| 22:31:31 | wedge | did you get the chemical resistant one? |
| 22:31:35 | wedge | yeah. me too. |
| 22:31:45 | wedge | do the buttons actually depress, or are they touch sensitive? |
| 22:31:48 | AlHazWork | andersee: what's the other nic, and does it work? |
| 22:31:52 | wedge | they looked just like big solid hard pads. |
| 22:32:03 | mallum | is ashamed to admit he's never used it :( |
| 22:32:07 | wedge | heh |
| 22:32:18 | wedge | man. you got us all hyped up there for the big letdown. |
| 22:32:27 | wedge | sighs. |
| 22:32:28 | andersee | AlHazWork: I'm gonna try that next.... Its an SMC8040TX |
| 22:32:32 | mallum | it was one of them things 'oh that looks cool ...... ' |
| 22:32:41 | wedge | heh. |
| 22:32:47 | wedge | yeah. i said that when i picked up my wife. |
| 22:32:51 | wedge | now i'm hoping i can return it. |
| 22:33:07 | mallum | evil |
| 22:33:10 | mallum | ;) |
| 22:33:13 | wedge | you know her too? |
| 22:33:20 | scanline | should rebuild the Typemate and hook it up to this roll-up keyboard |
| 22:33:42 | scanline | Heh. I have no idea where I put the source code for that thing... It was all written in assembler |
| 22:37:13 | BZFlag | later. home |
| 22:37:23 | mallum | is thinking of getting one of them dual athlon tiger motherboards for server .... |
| 22:37:54 | mallum | hmm not sure if it worth me spending the extra |
| 22:37:57 | AlHazWork | mallum: Those look nice |
| 22:38:13 | AlHazWork | my dual celeron is getting a little long in the tooth. On the other hand, it thinks way faster than i do . . |
| 22:38:56 | scanline | bye, I'm off to a Mac Users' group meeting. They have OS 10.1 :) |
| 22:39:31 | mallum | I _may_ be getting a valinux 2u chassis for free , so I think it'll depend on that |
| 22:40:46 | mallum | I can probably build a dual athlon + 1 gig of ram and a small drive for under 600 quid |
| 22:40:49 | mallum | which would be nice |
| 22:42:25 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 22:42:51 | AlHazWork | if the US economy rebounds (shaa, right), i might consider such a thing in about 9 months . . . |
| 22:43:29 | mallum | I think Im gonna sell my mac to fund it |
| 22:53:57 | mallum | ok bedtime for me - night all |
| 23:26:12 | wedge | duuuuuuuuuude |
| 23:26:17 | wedge | duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. |
| 23:29:44 | wedge | get this fellaz. |
| 23:29:49 | wedge | was diggin around in the supply cabinet. |
| 23:29:56 | wedge | found a 64 meg 72pin SODIMM |
| 23:30:03 | wedge | made me think of SODOM |
| 23:30:08 | wedge | y |
| 23:48:46 | andersee | So did you try the 64Meg SODIMM in your phone yet? |
| 23:56:32 | wedge | nope |
| 23:56:34 | wedge | i will when i get home |
| 23:56:37 | wedge | i'll be leaving here in 15 minutes |
| 23:56:40 | wedge | i'll pop on and let you guys know |
| 23:56:43 | wedge | i found a 16 meg one too |
| 23:56:54 | wedge | it came out of a sony vaio i think. |
| 23:56:57 | wedge | the laptops |
| 23:58:24 | andersee | And it was 72 pin, not 144 pin? |
| 23:59:23 | wedge | doh. |
| 23:59:28 | wedge | man. |
| 23:59:43 | wedge | i just experienced a sensation not entirely unlike that of having your parade urinated on by an oversized elephant. |