| 00:31:00 | Russ | Linux version 2.4.9-ac10-rmk2-np1-tux1 (russ@russ) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #2 Tue Sep 25 18:26:57 MST 2001 |
| 00:32:31 | Russ | too bad it doesn't work quite right yet...hmmm |
| 00:39:22 | Sammy | hi all |
| 00:56:15 | wedge | ello? |
| 00:56:18 | wedge | can i ask a stupid question? |
| 00:56:49 | wedge | tim you used a few double As to generate the 12 volts for making the flash writeable..... |
| 00:58:41 | wedge | um.. |
| 00:58:44 | wedge | i'm no electrical engineer... |
| 00:58:46 | wedge | hehehe.... |
| 00:58:47 | wedge | er.. |
| 00:58:54 | wedge | can i use a 12v dc converter that you just plug into the wall? |
| 01:07:20 | wedge | mmmmm. |
| 01:08:38 | wedge | so about that power supply.. .hehehe.... |
| 01:10:12 | Russ | ya |
| 01:10:18 | Russ | just test it first |
| 01:10:35 | wedge | word. |
| 01:10:38 | wedge | it should work tho? |
| 01:11:10 | wedge | btw... you guys rock. next time yer out san fran way, look me up. i owe yaz. |
| 01:15:51 | wedge | 12v 1amp... too much amperage? |
| 01:19:29 | Russ | 12W may be a bit much |
| 01:25:37 | wedge | eh? |
| 01:26:08 | wedge | the docs say 12 volts.... |
| 01:26:14 | wedge | 12 watts? eh? |
| 01:26:33 | wedge | man.. i'm stupid... am i missing some calculation here? |
| 01:26:37 | wedge | could 1 amp fry this puppy? |
| 01:26:44 | wedge | should i touch it to my tongue first? |
| 02:59:06 | wedge | man.. this inferno shit for windoze is all whacked out. |
| 02:59:13 | wedge | i'd love to be using it on linux, but both the emus seg fault... |
| 03:05:44 | zachh | x is a pain in the butt to use uncalibrated.... |
| 03:05:48 | zachh | ugh |
| 03:05:49 | wedge | heh |
| 03:05:59 | wedge | man.. i was surprised at how good the touch screen works tho |
| 03:06:10 | wedge | i don't use the goofy little pointers. |
| 03:06:14 | zachh | indeed, when properly calibrated |
| 03:06:30 | wedge | i was so excited when i got this th ing, i just shoved the stylus directly into my wanton buttocks, and started reading up on the linux install docs. |
| 03:07:10 | wedge | man.. so i got the infernoRemote stuff downloaded for windows. |
| 03:07:13 | wedge | but it's a couple of tarballs. |
| 03:07:13 | zachh | what are these proverbial "wanton buttocks"? |
| 03:07:21 | wedge | winrar throws them out in these goofy directory structures... |
| 03:07:24 | wedge | so it's pretty much unusable. |
| 03:07:29 | wedge | and under linux, teh two emus seg fault. |
| 03:07:31 | wedge | any ideas? |
| 03:07:44 | zachh | the emus seg fault |
| 03:07:45 | zachh | ?? |
| 03:07:57 | wedge | yeah |
| 03:07:58 | wedge | under linux |
| 03:08:02 | wedge | so now i'm trying it under windows. |
| 03:08:08 | wedge | redhat 7.1 ... stock 2.4 kernel. |
| 03:08:08 | wedge | btw. |
| 03:08:09 | wedge | heeh. |
| 03:08:28 | zachh | have you tried it on a pre 2.4 |
| 03:09:22 | zachh | i am not so sure that it has been heavily tested on a 2.3 |
| 03:09:25 | zachh | or 2.4 |
| 03:09:27 | zachh | heh |
| 03:09:41 | zachh | there might be some additional patches floating around... |
| 03:17:32 | BZFlag | you need the DLed emu patch from TuxScreen.net to run under 2.4 |
| 03:17:48 | BZFlag | I run it on 2.4.7 at present. |
| 03:18:16 | zachh | yea i knew i heard of a 2.4 patch somewhere |
| 03:45:15 | Sebas | good evening |
| 03:50:25 | Sebas | anybody here tonight? |
| 03:53:04 | zachh | indeed i am checking this irc channel every couple of minutes..... |
| 03:53:31 | zachh | because i am deathly afraid of missing a monumental morsel of information |
| 03:53:44 | Sebas | anybody familiar enough with "familiar" ??? |
| 03:55:24 | zachh | what about it, ive been running it for a while |
| 03:56:36 | Sebas | I'm trying to get the drivers for my prism2 wireless ethernet card... orinoco_cs on the kernel just panics with a buffer alignment error... it seems the wlan-ng drivers work on the ipaq, and are included in familiar 0.4 |
| 03:56:54 | Sebas | how can I get the drivers out of familiar? |
| 03:57:05 | zachh | you mean the image |
| 03:57:12 | zachh | you can get em via cvs |
| 03:57:35 | Sebas | there is an .ipk for the drivers |
| 03:57:45 | zachh | there is? |
| 03:57:49 | Sebas | but I have no idea how to "install" |
| 03:57:50 | zachh | ohh yea there is |
| 03:58:18 | Sebas | or at least "unpack" |
| 03:58:23 | zachh | just type ipkg install <pkg-name> |
| 03:58:46 | Sebas | yup... but the problem is I don't have familiar... just the plain buildroot-tux install |
| 03:58:53 | zachh | k |
| 03:59:10 | zachh | i could unpack it and send you the files.... |
| 03:59:20 | Sebas | that would be great... |
| 03:59:25 | zachh | i dont think you could get the binaries anywhere |
| 04:00:16 | Sebas | the problem with wlan-ng is that it doesn't support arm yet... but somehow, somebody compiled them for the ipaq... |
| 04:00:17 | zachh | where is this .ipk |
| 04:00:57 | Sebas | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/wvlan-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_0.1_arm.ipk |
| 04:01:13 | zachh | give me a sec... |
| 04:02:17 | Sebas | sorry... wrong URL... |
| 04:02:19 | Sebas | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/stable/packages/armv4l/wlan-ng-0.1.8-pre13-2.4.3-rmk2-np1-arm.ipk |
| 04:02:29 | Sebas | they moved it to stable |
| 04:10:46 | sekn | how well does the tuxscreen do VoIP? |
| 04:11:12 | Russ | there is no reason it can't |
| 04:11:18 | Russ | not something it does atm |
| 04:11:30 | sekn | it says on the web site that it does though... |
| 04:11:43 | GoRK | it will at some point, i'm sure |
| 04:11:55 | GoRK | it is completely capable |
| 04:12:56 | zachh | Sebas: where do you want this bad boy? |
| 04:12:57 | sekn | is the strongARM powerful enought to handle high quality sound? |
| 04:13:23 | Sebas | email? ftp? no dcc tough :-/ |
| 04:13:27 | GoRK | hate to burst your bubble but the quality of sound on a telephone is quite crappy compared to most things |
| 04:13:47 | GoRK | but, yes, plenty of power to do some kind of compression and encapsulation |
| 04:13:55 | zachh | email.... |
| 04:13:57 | sekn | does it support digital phone lines? |
| 04:13:59 | zachh | works |
| 04:14:01 | Sebas | sdelmont@zonageek.com |
| 04:14:07 | zachh | got it... |
| 04:14:20 | GoRK | no. analog lines only |
| 04:15:01 | GoRK | though there are companies such as port that sell adapters to attach analog phones/modems directly to digital pbx lines |
| 04:15:35 | sekn | that doesn't do anything for the quality though |
| 04:16:52 | wedge | if i could cross a dnard with a tuxscreen.... |
| 04:16:54 | wedge | i'd be a happy mofo. |
| 04:17:09 | wedge | at this rate, i'm putting both in my wife's car with a marine battery. |
| 04:17:22 | zachh | Sebas: its on its way |
| 04:17:36 | Sebas | got it... thanks a lot... |
| 04:18:05 | zachh | cool |
| 04:18:19 | zachh | let me know if i missed a file |
| 04:19:04 | Sebas | it seems to be complete... |
| 04:19:10 | zachh | alright |
| 04:19:11 | Sebas | now let me try to get it to run :-) |
| 04:19:18 | zachh | thats the tricky part |
| 04:19:32 | GoRK | i wonder if perl will compile against uclibc |
| 04:20:32 | GoRK | it's not all *that* huge either |
| 04:20:37 | GoRK | hmmm |
| 04:20:42 | GoRK | goes to experiment |
| 04:20:46 | wedge | man. |
| 04:20:51 | wedge | this inferno.tgz has no dis directory |
| 04:20:56 | wedge | argh. |
| 04:21:00 | GoRK | did you install it? |
| 04:21:07 | wedge | yup. |
| 04:24:06 | wedge | man. |
| 04:24:07 | wedge | winrar sucks. |
| 04:25:18 | Russ | sekn: it takes pcmcia cards, so you can just put a net card in there |
| 04:26:36 | GoRK | man, busybox needs top |
| 04:26:43 | Russ | *shrug* |
| 04:28:02 | wedge | so inferno requires you to manually copy an emuinit.dis into C:\dis\ |
| 04:28:08 | wedge | i wish this shit would work under linux. |
| 04:28:26 | Russ | it does |
| 04:28:37 | cory | lucent DSP? |
| 04:28:51 | Russ | what about it |
| 04:28:56 | zachh | all a real man needs is a unix style ps command |
| 04:30:50 | cory | hehe. |
| 04:30:58 | wedge | well. and a shell. |
| 04:31:10 | zachh | naa we can do without a shell |
| 04:31:24 | zachh | i dont know about you guys... |
| 04:31:25 | wedge | twitches. |
| 04:31:48 | wedge | man. have you guys tried the windows inferno? |
| 04:32:02 | wedge | looking for emu... found c:\blahblahblah\emu.exe |
| 04:32:11 | wedge | the start menu inferno can't find it... |
| 04:32:24 | wedge | and it croaks saying it can't load dis/emuinit.dis when i try to run setup |
| 04:32:34 | wedge | like it's gonna find anything posix compliant on a windoze machine |
| 04:32:36 | Russ | I just use the linux one |
| 04:32:40 | wedge | i tried |
| 04:32:43 | wedge | both emu's seg fault. |
| 04:32:51 | wedge | strace offers no clues. |
| 04:32:59 | Russ | where did you tell it to install |
| 04:33:06 | wedge | under windoze, or linux? |
| 04:33:11 | Russ | linux |
| 04:33:16 | wedge | i just extracted the stuff... |
| 04:33:20 | Russ | ummm |
| 04:33:21 | wedge | and tried to run the install script |
| 04:33:23 | Russ | read the docs |
| 04:33:27 | wedge | riiiight. |
| 04:33:44 | Russ | oh |
| 04:33:48 | Russ | where did you install then |
| 04:33:52 | wedge | in my home dir. |
| 04:34:05 | Russ | where |
| 04:34:15 | wedge | ~/inferno |
| 04:34:21 | Russ | and where did you extract it |
| 04:34:40 | wedge | i made an inferno dir... |
| 04:34:47 | Russ | ... ~/inferno? |
| 04:34:49 | wedge | and extracted the tarfile in it... |
| 04:34:50 | wedge | yeah... |
| 04:34:55 | wedge | then i went and got the updated emu |
| 04:34:57 | wedge | copied it over... |
| 04:35:01 | wedge | and tried to run the install script... |
| 04:35:02 | Russ | you need to install in a different place then you extract |
| 04:35:08 | wedge | seg faults when i exec emu on the comman dline. |
| 04:35:10 | Russ | also be sure you install as a user |
| 04:35:12 | wedge | ok. i'll take a look. |
| 04:35:13 | Russ | not root |
| 04:35:17 | wedge | right on. |
| 04:35:22 | wedge | russ thanks fer yer help. |
| 04:35:26 | wedge | i'm gonna reboot and give it another shot. |
| 04:44:23 | wedge | should the emu binary itself seg fault if you just run it on th ecommand line, if i even try to strace it it'll hang my shell completely.... |
| 04:45:59 | wedge | spam cometh: |
| 04:46:22 | spam | [bdhsv]/home/wej 143 i strace -f ./linuxemu |
| 04:46:22 | spam | execve("./linuxemu", ["./linuxemu"], [/* 44 vars */]) = 0 |
| 04:46:23 | spam | uname({sys="Linux", node="bdhsv", ...}) = 0 |
| 04:46:23 | spam | brk(0) = 0x80f4d28 |
| 04:46:23 | spam | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) --- |
| 04:46:24 | spam | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 04:46:31 | spam | argh. |
| 04:46:33 | spam | irc.... |
| 04:47:35 | GoRK | this is the gunzipped 'linuxemu.gz' renamed to emu running, right? |
| 04:47:40 | spam | yeah. |
| 04:47:52 | GoRK | and you are running 2.4? |
| 04:47:58 | spam | Linux bdhsv 2.4.2-2 #1 Sun Apr 8 20:41:30 EDT 2001 i686 unknown |
| 04:48:07 | spam | stock 7.1 install. |
| 04:48:18 | spam | any emu i've tried... |
| 04:48:21 | spam | same deal. seg fault. |
| 04:48:38 | GoRK | hmm. i thought redhat had released upgraded kernels for 7.1 |
| 04:48:49 | GoRK | i dont know that that is it, but it shouldnt segfault |
| 04:49:11 | spam | yeah. it's linux. there's been about 20 buggy kernel releases already. |
| 04:49:35 | spam | when i try to strace -f the stock emu... |
| 04:49:43 | spam | Linux bdhsv 2.4.2-2 #1 Sun Apr 8 20:41:30 EDT 2001 i686 unknown |
| 04:49:45 | spam | doh. |
| 04:50:14 | spam | whoah. weird. looks like even tho they seg fault, they fork an emu process anyway. |
| 04:50:15 | spam | very odd. |
| 04:50:41 | spam | but the install script fails cuz it tries to exec emu and gets the seg fault and dies. |
| 04:50:42 | spam | *sigh*. |
| 04:51:13 | spam | man. if i can get this to work... get linux on this puppy... finish the rest of my little project, it's extremely possible that i'll buy all the remaining tuxscreens :) |
| 04:51:21 | spam | just... gotta... get.... past... this... frustration. |
| 04:54:45 | spam | [bdhsv]/home/wej 181 i ldd linuxemu |
| 04:54:45 | spam | ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (139) |
| 04:54:48 | spam | that's kinda unsettling. |
| 05:03:26 | spam | man. so under windoze.......... ugh. |
| 05:03:51 | spam | ARGH. |
| 05:05:22 | andersee | BZFlag: howdy |
| 05:08:10 | wedge | so under windows.... here's my dialog box wheni try to install... |
| 05:08:24 | wedge | Looking for Emu... FOund C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Nt\Nt\386\bin\emu.exe |
| 05:08:38 | wedge | Inferno Third Edition (21 Jul 2000) main (pid=-377055) compile |
| 05:08:46 | wedge | Initializing Dis: /dis/emuinit.dis |
| 05:08:55 | wedge | panic: loading "/dis/emuinit.dis": The system cannot find the file specified. |
| 05:08:58 | wedge | EOF from Emu |
| 05:09:03 | wedge | Saving inferno root in registry ... DONE |
| 05:09:11 | wedge | Creating start-menu item ...........DONE |
| 05:09:15 | wedge | Installation completed |
| 05:09:19 | wedge | I wind up with an empty install dir. |
| 05:09:31 | wedge | and i even copied the dis dir to C:\dis |
| 05:09:45 | wedge | so the /dis/emuinit.dis minus the lame ass anti-posix microsoft directory path |
| 05:11:54 | wedge | exists... |
| 05:18:49 | wedge | can someone hook me up with their sh.dis? |
| 05:18:58 | wedge | for some reason it's not in my tarball.. and the windows emu wants it.... |
| 05:19:06 | wedge | i pieced the rest together manually.. just can't find this one file. |
| 05:19:31 | GoRK | you *HAVE* to run the inferno installer after unpacking both the inferno base and os specific files |
| 05:19:39 | GoRK | sh.dis gets created by that installer |
| 05:19:41 | wedge | i have dude. |
| 05:19:45 | wedge | i printed the error it creates. |
| 05:19:49 | wedge | it looks for /dis/emuinit.dis |
| 05:19:50 | wedge | and dies. |
| 05:19:55 | wedge | wait. |
| 05:19:57 | wedge | shit. heheeheh. |
| 05:20:37 | wedge | yeah. |
| 05:20:38 | wedge | won't do it. |
| 05:20:44 | wedge | the install dies looking for /dis/emuinit.dis |
| 05:20:51 | wedge | even tho it's there.. both root relative, and local relative. |
| 05:20:56 | wedge | i copied it in both places. |
| 05:28:37 | GoRK | ok you replace ~infernorrot/Linux/386/bin/emu with the unpacked/renamed linuxemu.gz file, then you run <infernorroot>/install/Linux-386.sh <infernoroot>, then replaced the <infernoroot>/Linux/386/emu with the linuxemu.gz again... then after that you should be able to start inferno |
| 05:29:55 | wedge | leave it gzipped? |
| 05:30:09 | wedge | the script actually execs the emu.. |
| 05:30:16 | wedge | the old emu i can at least list the args for it via a -h |
| 05:30:21 | wedge | the new one just seg faults no matter what. |
| 05:30:31 | GoRK | no you gunzip it |
| 05:30:36 | wedge | yeah.. i did... |
| 05:30:40 | GoRK | the script doesn't work? |
| 05:30:43 | wedge | nope |
| 05:30:46 | wedge | cuz it fails when it execs emu |
| 05:31:14 | wedge | seg faults. |
| 05:31:17 | wedge | with both emu's. |
| 05:31:20 | wedge | tried it with the old one as well. |
| 05:32:22 | GoRK | well the new one should work. there is probably something amiss with your kernel. you might try either a 2.2 kernel or a more recent 2.4 kernel |
| 05:40:19 | wedge | word. |
| 05:40:26 | wedge | hey.... thanks for looking into all this, man. |
| 05:40:30 | GoRK | n/p |
| 05:40:35 | GoRK | did it work? |
| 05:40:44 | wedge | thte windoze one is all screwed up |
| 05:40:48 | wedge | the linux one.. i'll have to try a new kernel. |
| 05:41:07 | wedge | is the new linuxemu yer referring to around 900k? |
| 05:41:13 | wedge | as opposed to the stock 700k one? |
| 05:41:30 | wedge | it looks like the old one works with the right command line options.. but i have to use the new one, right? |
| 05:41:35 | wedge | to make this lil project go... |
| 05:41:54 | GoRK | 2697180 Sep 11 16:32 linuxemu |
| 05:41:59 | wedge | whoah. |
| 05:42:04 | wedge | hrm. |
| 05:42:08 | wedge | we mayu have an answer here :) |
| 05:42:08 | wedge | hehehe |
| 05:42:10 | GoRK | you gunzipped it right? |
| 05:42:49 | wedge | yup. |
| 05:42:51 | GoRK | vs |
| 05:42:54 | wedge | hrm. |
| 05:42:59 | GoRK | 2719830 Jul 21 2000 emu |
| 05:43:15 | wedge | lemme reboot and check mine out. i know i gunzipped it or it wouldn't have even seg faulted. |
| 05:43:21 | wedge | i must've truncated the download or something |
| 05:43:26 | wedge | gzip should've complained about a checksum tho... |
| 05:43:27 | wedge | one sec. |
| 05:43:28 | wedge | brb. |
| 05:46:56 | wedge | heh |
| 05:47:16 | wedge | [bdhsv]/home/wej 105 i file linuxemu |
| 05:47:16 | wedge | linuxemu: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 05:47:16 | wedge | [bdhsv]/home/wej 106 i ls -l linuxemu |
| 05:47:16 | wedge | -rwxr-xr-x 1 wej root 908865 Sep 24 23:15 linuxemu* |
| 05:47:38 | wedge | disclaimer: i mentioned i was a little drunk last night downloading shit. |
| 05:48:30 | GoRK | heh yeah |
| 05:49:11 | wedge | sorry to bug you man. can you show me the size of yours one more time? |
| 05:49:15 | wedge | er... yer file, man. jeesh. |
| 05:49:19 | GoRK | 2697180 Sep 11 16:32 linuxemu |
| 05:49:24 | wedge | kickass. |
| 05:49:27 | wedge | got it. |
| 05:53:02 | cory | goes and creates a 2797180 byte file.. |
| 05:53:23 | wedge | heh. |
| 05:53:57 | wedge | dude.. i think i truncated the vitanuova download last night too. |
| 05:54:00 | wedge | man. how drunk was i? |
| 05:54:40 | wedge | wait. maybe not. |
| 05:54:54 | wedge | where does the original emuini.dis come from? |
| 05:55:02 | wedge | it's not in the Linux.tgz from vitanuova... |
| 05:55:05 | wedge | and the install wants it... |
| 05:55:48 | GoRK | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6632565 Sep 11 15:59 Linux.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14367267 Sep 11 16:00 inferno.tgz |
| 05:55:55 | wedge | word. |
| 05:55:56 | wedge | i'm lame. |
| 05:56:01 | wedge | just remembered. |
| 05:57:08 | GoRK | in all fairness, i had the most trouble getting inferno going also |
| 05:57:47 | wedge | heh. |
| 05:57:54 | wedge | sweet. now i don't feel like such a tard. |
| 05:58:24 | wedge | so you're from texas, gork? |
| 05:58:38 | GoRK | yep |
| 05:58:55 | wedge | lived there all your life? |
| 05:58:57 | GoRK | amarillo |
| 05:59:09 | wedge | frickin dsl rocks. 80kB sec for that download. |
| 05:59:15 | GoRK | no i was gone for several years to VA but im back |
| 05:59:23 | wedge | where in VA? |
| 05:59:43 | GoRK | near orange and madison |
| 06:00:06 | GoRK | so kind of near culpepper or charlottesville |
| 06:00:28 | wedge | cool. |
| 06:00:31 | wedge | been up to madison |
| 06:00:34 | wedge | that's a pretty decent area |
| 06:00:45 | wedge | i grew up in the carolinas and georgia. |
| 06:00:49 | wedge | i've lived in ca for 6 years. |
| 06:00:51 | GoRK | it's nice looking but it sorta sucks |
| 06:00:58 | wedge | i'm sure. |
| 06:01:01 | wedge | to live there anyway... |
| 06:02:02 | wedge | wow. got all the stuff installed... ton of files... |
| 06:02:22 | GoRK | ok now you have to replace the emu file again and you should be running after that |
| 06:03:06 | wedge | yeah. |
| 06:03:07 | wedge | right on. |
| 06:03:16 | wedge | so do you know tim here? |
| 06:03:23 | wedge | or you just hang out here and help people? |
| 06:03:28 | GoRK | not personally |
| 06:03:29 | wedge | or you're just a tuxscreen junkie like me? |
| 06:03:59 | GoRK | yeah i am making picogui work and hopefully i can use it to build a pbx |
| 06:04:32 | GoRK | by it i mean tuxscreen phones |
| 06:05:12 | wedge | ; bind -a '#'t /dev ; rdp -s115200 -r |
| 06:05:12 | wedge | rdp 0.17 (port=/dev/eia0, bps=115200) |
| 06:05:12 | wedge | <sending reset> |
| 06:05:24 | wedge | did you say pbx? |
| 06:05:28 | wedge | heh. |
| 06:05:30 | wedge | my last job.. |
| 06:05:39 | wedge | i worked on a java based pbx |
| 06:05:43 | wedge | aimed at the colo space. |
| 06:05:47 | GoRK | yeah but not like an ordinary pbx |
| 06:05:58 | wedge | i rewrote the solaris install software and network boot environment for these pbx boxes. |
| 06:06:05 | wedge | ours wasn't too ordinary either.. |
| 06:06:19 | wedge | all java based at the core.. supported mgcp, and we wrote a custom h.323->sip proxy to speak with the jtapi |
| 06:06:31 | wedge | dude.. is this thing hosed? do i need to be in sboot before i start inferno? |
| 06:06:33 | wedge | i'm hung at: |
| 06:06:37 | wedge | Inferno Third Edition (19 Apr 2001) main (pid=1128) interp |
| 06:06:37 | wedge | Initialize Dis: /dis/emuinit.dis |
| 06:06:37 | wedge | ; bind -a '#'t /dev ; rdp -s115200 -r |
| 06:06:37 | wedge | rdp 0.17 (port=/dev/eia0, bps=115200) |
| 06:06:37 | wedge | <sending reset> |
| 06:07:26 | GoRK | is your phone on /dev/ttyS0 in debug mode connected with a null modem cable and doess whatever user you are running inferno with have access to /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 06:09:55 | wedge | yeah. |
| 06:10:04 | wedge | when i reset the tux... |
| 06:10:11 | wedge | and i hit escape then ctrl-a, the screen goes black. |
| 06:10:21 | GoRK | yep. it's waiting for the reset |
| 06:10:24 | wedge | cool. |
| 06:10:28 | wedge | ah. |
| 06:10:29 | wedge | hrm. |
| 06:10:32 | wedge | maybe i need 9600 baud? |
| 06:10:35 | wedge | instead of 115200? |
| 06:10:43 | GoRK | well that might be easier to test with |
| 06:11:15 | wedge | no dice. |
| 06:11:15 | wedge | hrm. |
| 06:12:55 | GoRK | i gotta crash out. sorry i cant stick around. /dev/eia0 maps through to /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/eia1 maps through to ttyS1, etc. double check your cable is a null and that you do have properly working serial ports. it took a friend of mine a couple hours to figure out that he didnt have serial ports turned on in the bios |
| 06:13:06 | wedge | right on. |
| 06:13:09 | wedge | thanks much for your help tho amigo. |
| 06:13:11 | GoRK | good luck |
| 06:13:17 | GoRK | no problem |
| 06:13:18 | GoRK | later |
| 06:17:19 | wedge | man. i had a null. it needs straight through. |
| 06:17:23 | wedge | just in case you see this in the morning |
| 06:17:36 | wedge | or my cable was rolled and i didn't even know it. |
| 06:17:42 | wedge | i used it for a console on my sparc tho. it's gotta be nyull |
| 06:17:57 | GoRK | no im still here about to leave. it needs a null. i am sure because i had to make one for it |
| 06:23:57 | wedge | well.. i'm in :) |
| 06:24:01 | wedge | got to teh flash and everything. |
| 06:24:04 | wedge | just need to apply the voltage now. |
| 06:24:11 | wedge | man. made good progress tonight.... |
| 06:24:17 | wedge | thanks a lot for your help. i'm headin to bed myself. |
| 06:24:20 | wedge | old lady's pissed. hehehe. |
| 07:05:28 | andersee | howdy |
| 07:05:51 | andersee | is flashing inferno back into my phone |
| 07:07:51 | BZFlag | to test the screen there? |
| 07:07:58 | andersee | yup |
| 07:08:04 | BZFlag | It'll work. |
| 07:08:26 | andersee | Then I'm going to flash-unlock my other phone, and try it... |
| 07:09:42 | andersee | So hows life? Things going ok at Lineo? |
| 07:10:14 | BZFlag | chances are good it will work under linux. we're running about 25% non-working. |
| 07:10:28 | BZFlag | we're all moving downstairs next week. |
| 07:11:04 | andersee | Sounds like an excellent use of time |
| 07:11:11 | BZFlag | heh, yeah. |
| 07:11:15 | andersee | They going to rent out the rest? |
| 07:11:37 | BZFlag | we're paying like 17k/month rent for the top floor. lease runs out end of the month. |
| 07:11:57 | andersee | Ouch. That is a lot of money. |
| 07:12:58 | BZFlag | I figure 2 1/2 employees? |
| 07:14:03 | andersee | I'd be willing to go back for 17k/month... :) |
| 07:14:50 | BZFlag | I'll bet. I'll suggest it and see what they think. |
| 07:14:59 | andersee | heheh |
| 07:15:13 | BZFlag | I suggested work-from-home as the norm with shared cubes. no dice. ;-/ |
| 07:15:41 | andersee | bummer |
| 07:16:08 | BZFlag | yeah, duck was bummed. me, not so much as I have _such_ a long commute. |
| 07:17:42 | andersee | You know, I'm liking my current commute situation. :) |
| 07:18:00 | andersee | I get out of bed and walk to my desk. |
| 07:18:37 | andersee | And if I feel like it, I can just as easily walk back to bed. |
| 07:24:18 | BZFlag | not to mention the fridge |
| 07:24:37 | andersee | true enough |
| 07:26:09 | andersee | touchscreen works just find under inferno. |
| 07:26:11 | andersee | sigh |
| 07:29:18 | BZFlag | time to try the other phone. |
| 07:30:11 | andersee | starts reading the flash unlock instructions |
| 07:30:40 | BZFlag | got Inferno running under Linux? I recommend that first. |
| 07:30:53 | BZFlag | you will need it to blob the phone anyway |
| 07:31:09 | BZFlag | feel free to drop by the office and have me do it. ;-) |
| 07:31:34 | andersee | What sort of docs do we have on the ucb1200? |
| 07:33:50 | andersee | Found 'em on http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//TouchScreen |
| 07:34:05 | andersee | is annoyed that inferno works and Linux doesn't |
| 07:36:09 | andersee | I suspect the UCB1200 stuff is probably ok, but on my phone it is hanging when running commands out to the Serial Interface Bus (SIB). |
| 07:36:30 | andersee | So I guess I need to dig into the ucb1200 SIB code. |
| 07:36:37 | BZFlag | hmmm.. perhaps. |
| 07:38:23 | andersee | Are we sure it is a ucb1200? Not perhaps a ucb1300? |
| 07:40:13 | andersee | looks for closeup pics of the comm board |
| 07:48:32 | andersee | To get JTAG on phone #2, I guess I need to pull out the soldering iron |
| 07:50:04 | andersee | Time to put Linux back on phone #1 |
| 07:50:20 | BZFlag | ucb1300 |
| 07:50:48 | BZFlag | it can be done over serial, jtag not required. |
| 07:54:39 | andersee | sure. But if I'm hacking on it, I'm certain to hose it up... |
| 07:55:36 | andersee | uses JTAG to put blob back on phone #1 |
| 07:56:37 | andersee | There |
| 07:56:52 | andersee | That was much faster then doing things the inferno way... |
| 07:57:36 | BZFlag | heh |
| 07:57:45 | andersee | is lazy |
| 09:53:52 | | 16.6666666666667 |
| 09:53:52 | boris | ibot: 100/6 |
| 12:56:03 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:20:35 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh... thats better... :) |
| 13:23:25 | pattieja | morning CosmicPenguin |
| 13:23:53 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: good morning |
| 14:06:32 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Are you there? |
| 15:54:07 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: When are you going to apply Russ's touchscreen patches to the buildroot scripts? |
| 15:56:09 | GoRK | probably not soon since they crash units whose touchscreens dont work on boot |
| 15:57:09 | GoRK | andersee: were you working on the ucb1200 and non working touchscreens? saw some questions up earlier |
| 15:57:29 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: found a problem with the buildroot... sometimes there are those of us who choose not to nfsroot, so a generic linuxrc is not good |
| 15:59:37 | andersee | GoRK: yup |
| 16:01:20 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I don't nfs root (no nic). It still boots and works for me. |
| 16:02:20 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: ditto andersee's reply on the ts patches. |
| 16:02:50 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: I mean to change the linuxrc to use nextserver and path info from dhcp now that russ added those options. |
| 16:03:01 | Russ|werk | I have a kernel with the ts patches almost ready for release (2.4.9-ac10-rmk2-np1-tux1) |
| 16:03:19 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Did you get the latest fixes from andersee? |
| 16:03:23 | Russ|werk | but its locking during boot (sometime after cardmgr loads) |
| 16:03:27 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 16:03:28 | BZFlag | Russ: you think it will lock up like the old patches? |
| 16:03:44 | GoRK | Russ: does it crash on non-working touchscreen phones? |
| 16:04:06 | GoRK | haha now at least we know why you are stealthy in talking about it. the barrage of questions |
| 16:04:06 | BZFlag | sees Russ get swamped... |
| 16:04:34 | GoRK | -:- SignOff Russ: #tuxscreen (Freaked Out) |
| 16:04:39 | Russ|werk | heh |
| 16:04:41 | andersee | Russ|werk: cool. Lemme know when its ready. |
| 16:05:00 | Russ|werk | no, the new kernel boots, but dies (basic root, no microwindows) |
| 16:05:11 | Russ|werk | gotta figure out why |
| 16:05:11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I suspect the ucb1200 driver's sib support is at fault... |
| 16:05:17 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Comment out lines 925 - 930, and it will work.... |
| 16:05:26 | Russ|werk | I don't have the code here |
| 16:05:30 | Russ|werk | what do the lines do |
| 16:05:47 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Its in ucb1200_ts_init().. it sets the inital contrast/power.... |
| 16:06:05 | CosmicPenguin | I commented them out on blzbubba's machine,and I got the kernel to boot ok.... |
| 16:06:14 | boris | my tuxscreen has still not arrived |
| 16:06:26 | boris | anyway i can track it's location? |
| 16:06:50 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: what about when you change the value later on |
| 16:07:37 | CosmicPenguin | I would assume it breaks then.... I think that everyone's main concern is just getting the thing to boot.... |
| 16:07:53 | GoRK | Russ: it locks the machine |
| 16:08:09 | CosmicPenguin | I agree with andersee that something is probably wrong with the SIB or ADC.... |
| 16:08:29 | BZFlag | boris: email me with order details. do you recall if you paid for insurance? If so I can get a the insurance number. |
| 16:08:46 | GoRK | but not on all units... it's only the ones w/o the working touchscreen in linux which we know is a driver problem, right? |
| 16:09:07 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Thats right.... |
| 16:09:35 | boris | i paid $180 for tuxscreen + nic + shipping (there should have been more than enough for 4-7days + insurance) |
| 16:09:52 | CosmicPenguin | And thats why I think that maybe its just a simple interrupt problem.... is it possible that different revisions are wired to a different interrupt pin? |
| 16:11:01 | GoRK | well we need to figure out what is different exactly about them so we can check. i posted on the wiki that serial numbers arent getting us anywhere. maybe i should check my other phones and my friends phone to see. problem is i havent seen a non working one yet |
| 16:11:21 | boris | bzflag: what email should i email to? |
| 16:11:50 | andersee | GoRK: /me has one... :( |
| 16:12:28 | BZFlag | borix tim@rikers.org (or sales@tuxscreen.net) |
| 16:12:31 | GoRK | if i can get 2 working phones and one or two non working ones together and disassembled i can compare them better. i guess i can do that tonight... just hope these last two are non working |
| 16:13:07 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I'm afraid it would be a microscopic change at the most.... You would have to trace each interrupt line off of the processor.... |
| 16:14:02 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: a close examination of exact board revisions might find something. |
| 16:14:19 | GoRK | well the boards have a rev number printed on them. i can look at that. and all the chips have part numbers and rev numbers on them. i really dont think there is any need to look at traces... the pcb probably has > 2 layers anyway so it'd probably be impossible to look at traces |
| 16:14:21 | CosmicPenguin | True.... its worth a shot.. Shaggy didn't mention anything? |
| 16:14:24 | BZFlag | GoRK: the pictures on the site are from a non-working phone. just FYI |
| 16:14:55 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: nope. Shaggy just mentioned the jitter issue and the 4 way read work around. |
| 16:14:58 | GoRK | oh. cool i can compare with that then too. what is that phones serial number? |
| 16:15:01 | Russ|werk | I should put the backlight stuff as a config option then |
| 16:15:24 | BZFlag | GoRK: it's my non working unit from the TouchScreen page. |
| 16:15:31 | GoRK | Russ: well after we can ensure that it works on all phones, there will be no need |
| 16:15:34 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: That might be good..... |
| 16:16:00 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: It might still be nice to control..... |
| 16:16:23 | GoRK | well yeah i guess.. at least it would work w/ 2.4.9 |
| 16:16:26 | GoRK | err |
| 16:16:34 | GoRK | at least we would have a general release of 2.4.9 |
| 16:16:37 | CosmicPenguin | I will be changing the brightness / contrast controls in the calibrator anyway, so having the kernel change it is sort of uninteresting to me |
| 16:17:44 | boris | BZFlag: sent an email |
| 16:18:13 | GoRK | i have a picogui deal that almost does brightness/contrast properly also :) |
| 16:20:12 | prpplague | is away: lunch |
| 16:20:13 | BZFlag | and why don't picogui and microwindows bot use the kernel code? |
| 16:20:20 | GoRK | they call it |
| 16:20:22 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: They do, they do..... |
| 16:20:34 | boris | crai: why are you praying? |
| 16:20:46 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: then why is the kernel change uninteresting? I'm confused. |
| 16:21:05 | phil_trick | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:21:07 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Sorry... i mean the inital settings during init() |
| 16:21:22 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: The ioctls() are still very interesting.... :) |
| 16:22:02 | GoRK | BZFlag: i thought there were some hi-res scans on there somewhere? |
| 16:24:22 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:04:10) |
| 16:27:13 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: did you get a chance to test the udhcpc bootp options yet? |
| 16:35:03 | BZFlag | Russ: still no. sorry. |
| 16:35:49 | Russ|werk | I jset added a vendor id option to the client |
| 16:36:38 | boris | BZFlag: did the shipping have insurance? |
| 16:36:46 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I am sending my patches for buildroot to you.... |
| 16:37:22 | scanline | GoRK: did you add extra driver messages to pgserver? |
| 16:37:43 | CosmicPenguin | Ack - actually, I am sending the three changed files.... |
| 16:39:20 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: k, I'll watch for them |
| 16:39:30 | pattieja | is away: getting lunch |
| 16:40:16 | scanline | GoRK: I've hopefully got a tuxscreen on the way, so you'll have to send me that ucb1200 touchscreen driver :) |
| 16:45:18 | scanline | is away: going to class |
| 16:46:19 | BZFlag | work calls |
| 17:40:28 | pattieja | is back (gone 01:00:58) |
| 18:15:03 | scanline | is back (gone 01:29:45) |
| 18:27:04 | andersee | Does anyone know for certain if BMidgley got the D-Link DFE-670-TXD to work with the phone? |
| 18:28:10 | AlHazWork | andersee: I actually asked him that at PLUG, and he didn't really give me an answer |
| 18:28:22 | AlHazWork | and then he bought a CIO10T from tim |
| 18:29:54 | BZFlag | I think it was unreliable. |
| 18:31:03 | andersee | is trying to decide on which card to get. Must be 10/100... |
| 18:31:41 | andersee | AlHazWork: I think the fact that he bought a CIO10T makes it pretty clear... |
| 18:31:44 | andersee | Too bad. |
| 18:31:54 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 18:32:48 | andersee | And the current batch of trendnet pc16Rs don't work. |
| 18:32:51 | andersee | Sigh. |
| 18:36:24 | andersee | Anybody got a 10/100 that works with the phone to sell? |
| 18:43:07 | AlHazWork | Well, I don't get UPN locally, so I went ahead and changed my dish lineup |
| 18:45:09 | scanline | Has anyone tried using an 802.11b card in the tuxscreen? |
| 18:45:26 | AlHazWork | yeah, but i haven't heard any successes yet |
| 18:45:32 | scanline | ah |
| 18:45:51 | AlHazWork | wvlan_cs is a non-starter on arm, and orinoco_cs has an alignment problem |
| 18:46:18 | scanline | so the hardware works? |
| 18:46:37 | AlHazWork | wlanng_cs is an unknown. the makefile has xcompile options for ppc, but not for arm, and I don't think anyone has tried further |
| 18:46:44 | AlHazWork | scanline: hard to say for sure without a driver |
| 18:46:52 | scanline | good point |
| 18:47:11 | cworth | AlHAzWork: uhm... wvlan_cs has worked for some time on the iPAQ. orinoco_cs was just found to work with an alignment command-line argument to gcc. |
| 18:47:35 | AlHazWork | cworth: just repeating what i've heard |
| 18:47:40 | AlHazWork | sorry if some of it is incorrect |
| 18:47:52 | AlHazWork | I have yet to hear any report of an 802.11b card working in a tuxscreen |
| 18:48:04 | scanline | AlHazWork: No problem. Actally, the main reason I'm getting a tuxscreen is to debug stuff on ARM. |
| 18:49:06 | cworth | AlHazWork: no worries. The orinoco_cs fix is quite recent. It makes me hopeful. |
| 18:50:08 | cworth | I'm anxious to get a common iPAQ/tuxscreen environment running. The glibc vs. uclibc and differing kernels is slowing me down. |
| 18:54:31 | AlHazWork | I have a couple cheap prism2 based wireless nics |
| 18:54:35 | AlHazWork | a linksys and a leartery |
| 18:54:42 | AlHazWork | both of them appear to power up and be happy |
| 18:54:52 | AlHazWork | but there isn't a driver around to use them |
| 18:55:24 | AlHazWork | and i don't really care all that much because my domicile is heavily wired, so since my phones are stationary, it doesn't matter |
| 18:57:13 | andersee | cworth: You can get a CF card full of glibc apps, and pivot_root into that. |
| 18:58:29 | andersee | I think I'm going to try the Linksys PCM100 card |
| 19:43:34 | Russ | cworth: a kernel can be compiled that boots both |
| 19:48:10 | scanline | is away: going to class |
| 20:06:11 | raybass | goes to class |
| 20:58:44 | scanline | is back (gone 01:10:34) |
| 21:23:23 | pattieja | is away: bible study and dinner (mmmmm) |
| 21:28:36 | prpplague | later folks |
| 21:35:12 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/print/ |
| 22:23:44 | as_ | Hi BZ, you awake? |
| 22:25:42 | BZFlag | is |
| 22:26:59 | as_ | Any chance of an email? ;P |
| 22:27:13 | as_ | Do you want me to remail you? |
| 22:27:21 | andersee | I was just looking over the changelog for 2.4.9-ac10-rmk3 -- It lists "New MCP/UCB1x00 drivers"... |
| 22:27:27 | andersee | gets excited |
| 22:28:02 | andersee | Maybe my touchscreen will work with the updated ucb1200 driver.... |
| 22:39:30 | as_ | Re. |
| 22:47:59 | scanline | is away: studying |
| 22:55:06 | BZFlag | home |