| 00:00:51 | zachh | Russ: i dont have any provisions to cross-compile udhcp, you dont happen to have a binary for the tuxscreen lying around? |
| 00:01:21 | Russ | not here, BZFlag probably does |
| 00:02:00 | zachh | k |
| 00:08:59 | Aelhaz | it's in the build system |
| 00:09:01 | Aelhaz | fwiw |
| 00:09:11 | prpplague | WHOOO, i've been larted! |
| 00:09:24 | prpplague | i've got blob running on the ELF |
| 00:09:32 | zachh | well, i just need it not a whole build system right now |
| 00:09:39 | zachh | thanks though |
| 00:17:14 | prpplague | i'm out here for today, later folks |
| 00:17:22 | zachh | cya |
| 00:17:52 | prpplague | zachh: good luck on your dhcp issues.... |
| 01:13:17 | Sammy | hi ..* |
| 02:22:02 | zachh | slow tonight |
| 02:23:40 | zachh | anybody have a udhcp binary lying around? |
| 02:31:10 | Aelhaz | Yeah |
| 02:31:14 | Aelhaz | you need one? |
| 02:42:03 | zachh | yeppers! |
| 02:42:38 | zachh | can you supply the goods |
| 02:42:39 | zachh | ? |
| 02:43:22 | Aelhaz | Yeah. I can either dump it on one of my servers or email it to you |
| 02:43:34 | zachh | email is fine..... |
| 03:07:06 | Aelhaz | 10:08pm up 301 days, 11:02, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 |
| 03:13:15 | zachh | anybody know what the problem might be if the dhcp client cant get a ip address EVER? |
| 03:13:26 | zachh | it says it is looking but never finds one |
| 03:14:00 | zachh | driving me NUTS! |
| 03:18:30 | zachh | nevermind... |
| 03:18:51 | zachh | geeze i work all day on this dumb thing and then all of a sudden it works at 12:30.... |
| 03:22:07 | Russ | ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 |
| 03:23:24 | Russ | so udhcp works? |
| 03:23:30 | zachh | sure does |
| 03:23:40 | zachh | but in my case pump does not |
| 03:23:41 | Russ | cool |
| 03:39:24 | BZFlag | zachh: still looking? |
| 03:40:14 | BZFlag | zachh: still need a udhcpc binary? |
| 03:44:30 | zachh | nope i got it, thanks! |
| 03:44:53 | zachh | pump was giving me fits |
| 04:32:41 | cdm | BZFlag: still awake? |
| 05:02:49 | BZFlag | yep. lookin forward to more orders from you hacker friends. ;-) |
| 05:03:20 | BZFlag | s/you/your/ |
| 05:04:35 | andersee | BZFlag: howdy. |
| 05:04:54 | andersee | Did you see how I most evily made everything run at 115200 baud? |
| 05:05:18 | andersee | I apply a blob patch to avoid all that tedious baud rate shuffling |
| 05:05:30 | BZFlag | nope. sounds like a Good Thing to me though. ;-) |
| 05:05:57 | BZFlag | how'd yout 230400 tests go? |
| 05:07:26 | andersee | Well, my patch also adds in 230400, but it didn't work for me. But the blob that buildroot produces allows 'speed 230400' now... |
| 05:09:02 | andersee | It could be my motherboard's uart won't go that fast... |
| 05:14:03 | andersee | Oh. I also cut blobs boot delay to 3 seconds... |
| 05:31:18 | BZFlag | nice. |
| 05:31:23 | BZFlag | gotta sleep. |
| 11:43:36 | mallum | hi worth brothers |
| 11:43:50 | bworth | hello! |
| 11:53:02 | mallum | hi bworth |
| 13:59:00 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:24:25 | mallum | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 14:24:50 | pattieja | morning |
| 14:25:15 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Good morning. Sorry, I don't have any code yet...... |
| 14:25:23 | CosmicPenguin | <--- Has a very annoyed customer right now... :( |
| 14:31:09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: over what, lack of code? |
| 14:32:05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I promised mallum some dictionary code for word completion for the virtual keyboard |
| 14:32:27 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:33:30 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: np |
| 16:02:35 | prpplague | is there a tuxscreen mail list? |
| 16:02:44 | AlHazWork | Yup |
| 16:03:13 | andersee | is there? Does it get CVS commit msgs? |
| 16:03:26 | GoRK | it sucks. there's nobody on it and no activity |
| 16:03:28 | prpplague | hmm, i'm not seeing it listed on the web page |
| 16:03:37 | prpplague | GoRK: ohh |
| 16:03:41 | GoRK | it may be gone |
| 16:03:45 | GoRK | i just use the wiki |
| 16:04:02 | GoRK | just cliek on recent changes and post your questions or comments whereever appropriate |
| 16:08:19 | andersee | BTW, in case people havn't noticed, I added blob to the buildroot over the weekend. I'm sure it produces a working blob, since I'm using it on my phone. |
| 16:09:38 | andersee | I also hacked blob a bit to support 230400 baud. |
| 16:10:03 | andersee | I also hacked everything to use 115200 by default (blob, kernel, gettys) |
| 16:10:18 | andersee | Oh, and I cut blob's boot delay to 3 secs instead of 10 |
| 16:10:42 | Russ|werk | andersee... |
| 16:10:57 | Russ|werk | oh well |
| 16:11:21 | andersee | yup? |
| 16:11:37 | CosmicPenguin | Geez - I guess you completed your consulting project, eh? |
| 16:11:38 | Russ|werk | just the 115200 by default thing |
| 16:11:58 | prpplague | andersee: did you change all the baud entries of create a DEFINE? |
| 16:12:01 | andersee | This is all done with a patch living in the buildroot... |
| 16:12:18 | prpplague | s/of/or |
| 16:12:21 | Russ|werk | just about everything in linux defaults to 9600 |
| 16:12:54 | prpplague | ya, but there about 6 or 7 entries that are hardcoded in the current blob |
| 16:13:03 | andersee | prpplague: For blob: blob-2.0.4/src/main.c now has: |
| 16:13:06 | andersee | #if defined SHANNON |
| 16:13:06 | andersee | # define INITIAL_SPEED baud115k2 |
| 16:13:06 | andersee | #else |
| 16:13:07 | andersee | # define INITIAL_SPEED baud9k6 |
| 16:13:07 | andersee | #endif |
| 16:13:24 | prpplague | cool |
| 16:13:53 | andersee | I was just getting tired of all the baud rate switching in minicom... Seemed silly... |
| 16:14:16 | Russ|werk | its just a pain when the kernel doesn't do 115200 |
| 16:14:24 | Russ|werk | or you init |
| 16:14:29 | Russ|werk | er, your init |
| 16:14:48 | andersee | Oh, but the kernel and the gettys now _do_ run at 115200. |
| 16:14:52 | Russ|werk | alt-P,I,enter is pretty quick |
| 16:15:02 | CosmicPenguin | You can always hack your init to use 9600 if you want.... |
| 16:15:03 | Russ|werk | andersee: its not the default though |
| 16:15:23 | andersee | Does it matter what the default is as long as we are consistant? |
| 16:15:43 | andersee | This way we can tell people "Set minicom to 115200" and be done with it. |
| 16:15:48 | CosmicPenguin | 9600 is always nice, because every kernel on earth supports it, but 115200 is nice for development |
| 16:15:50 | Russ|werk | I've found it just creates less problems in development |
| 16:16:24 | Russ|werk | the paramater blocks in cvs support the setting of baudrate |
| 16:16:45 | GoRK | the only reason i was ever switching to 115200 was to transfer files, and now i use netcat so no more of that... |
| 16:19:20 | andersee | If people try it and find it annoying, it is easy enough to change things back. For now, I amfinding it very nice to be able to download new kernels and boot up all the way without messing with the speed |
| 16:20:07 | CosmicPenguin | I worry about forcing people to upgrade.... |
| 16:22:13 | andersee | just found the "Child dir "." (ino #1) of dir ino #1 appears to be a hard link" bug |
| 16:22:25 | GoRK | heh. finally? |
| 16:22:54 | andersee | Seems that "/" isn't supposed to have a dirent... |
| 16:23:02 | GoRK | cool! so now it's time for the DSP, right? heheheheheh |
| 16:23:13 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Its not like people arn't trying |
| 16:23:59 | andersee | I think I've got just about everything else that was bugging me taken care of... |
| 16:24:15 | andersee | The only thing still lacking is rz/sz. |
| 16:24:36 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Did you get symbolic links into the jffs2 like you were talking about? |
| 16:24:36 | andersee | With that done, it is kernel hacking time again |
| 16:25:01 | andersee | Oh yeah. And I need to add jffs2 symlinks... :) |
| 16:25:13 | andersee | Easy enough to do I suppose |
| 16:25:48 | andersee | That will allow us to kill skel.tar |
| 16:25:59 | GoRK | i could probably put rz/sz in there. i have it compiling in the buildroot tree anyway. i just need to add a couple makefile entries |
| 16:26:14 | GoRK | no way man, keep skel.tar |
| 16:26:30 | andersee | Why? |
| 16:26:43 | GoRK | well no reason i guess |
| 16:27:07 | GoRK | i was thinking if you wanted to change the tree, but then you can just do that elsewhere anyway |
| 16:27:13 | andersee | I added it for two reasons -- symlink support and for adding empty dirs. |
| 16:27:40 | andersee | device_table.txt already handles adding dirs. Once I add in symlinks, skel.tar will be obsolete |
| 16:28:07 | andersee | If we need new dirs -- just add 'em to device_table.txt |
| 16:28:10 | GoRK | maybe change the device_table to filesystem_table too, eh? |
| 16:28:19 | andersee | heh |
| 16:28:27 | andersee | Not too far off I suppose. |
| 16:28:45 | GoRK | CVS will really hate that sort of thing |
| 16:29:04 | andersee | What? |
| 16:29:17 | GoRK | a rename |
| 16:29:54 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: The makefile doesn't know how to build $(BLOB) |
| 16:30:07 | prpplague | andersee: what did you do to increase the boot time? limit the ram detection parameters? |
| 16:30:20 | CosmicPenguin | but it does know how to build 'blob' |
| 16:30:24 | CosmicPenguin | which one is it? |
| 16:30:32 | prpplague | andersee: or should i say shorten the boot time |
| 16:30:59 | andersee | prpplague: I think I'll leave the name. |
| 16:31:05 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: fixed in CVS now.. |
| 16:31:09 | andersee | Sorry 'bout that |
| 16:31:24 | CosmicPenguin | Ack - now I will have conflicts again... what did you change, I'll do it by hand.... |
| 16:31:40 | andersee | s/^blob/$(BLOB)/ |
| 16:32:19 | andersee | Also, you will want to blow away ./root |
| 16:32:40 | andersee | So it will be regenerated from target_skeleton |
| 16:34:18 | CosmicPenguin | make clean works well enough.... |
| 16:34:39 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I've got a little more testing, then I'll send you the new GUI changes for evaulation... |
| 16:34:53 | prpplague | andersee: sorry did follow your response, however i'll just check out your patches later |
| 16:35:47 | andersee | k |
| 16:36:54 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: For now I'm just blowing away your /etc/inittab with my modified one. Whem symlinks work, then we can get all the GUI people together and agree on a standard |
| 16:38:44 | andersee | k |
| 16:39:18 | GoRK | a standard inittab? |
| 16:40:02 | andersee | We were discussing a standard inittab entry for starting all whatever GUI people feel like adding in |
| 16:40:59 | andersee | It would be messy if each project added their own inittab entry -- one for X, one for uWindows, etc... |
| 16:48:16 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: you fix the problem with cardmgr installing its man page? |
| 16:49:23 | andersee | Nope. Didn't touch that (I don't have any cards that work atm) |
| 16:50:17 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, its only 4.5K, but some of us are trying to fit our entire distro in 3MB... :) |
| 17:09:31 | prpplague | is away: need more coffee |
| 17:13:53 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: k, I'm now axing that manpage. |
| 17:14:25 | Russ|werk | ever think about bb cardmgr? |
| 17:14:43 | andersee | Hmm. Hadnt before now... |
| 17:14:50 | Russ|werk | embedded systems have different requirements for pcmcia than a laptop |
| 17:15:05 | andersee | I've never dug into the pcmcia code to see how ugly it is... |
| 17:15:23 | Russ|werk | like, right now, its all laid out in huge, editable config files |
| 17:15:34 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:06:04) |
| 17:15:37 | Russ|werk | (for matching cards up with modules) |
| 17:15:51 | Russ|werk | but it cold be in a small binary format compiled into bb |
| 17:16:02 | Russ|werk | s/cold/could/ |
| 17:20:53 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Thats a good idea... I would love to see us reduce the size of the config files somehow... |
| 17:20:58 | andersee | true enough |
| 17:21:20 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, thats pretty tough on platforms like the Ipaq that will take pretty much any card ever produced.... |
| 17:21:46 | andersee | Ipaq can take cardbus? |
| 17:21:52 | andersee | is dubious |
| 17:23:02 | Russ|werk | just think of the pci database |
| 17:23:28 | Russ|werk | it could be a combination, where there is a built in database, but it can also read a config with additional id's |
| 17:26:44 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Ok, not cardbus.... :) |
| 17:27:47 | CosmicPenguin | That'll teach me not to be vauge in a room of nerds... :) |
| 17:28:04 | prpplague | lol |
| 17:32:30 | andersee | heheh |
| 17:41:15 | prpplague | is away: lunch |
| 18:04:32 | BZFlag | to work |
| 18:34:36 | RobFlynn | Russ: how goes the DSP stuff? |
| 18:36:49 | Russ|werk | it goes not yet unfortunately |
| 18:38:36 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:57:21) |
| 19:55:37 | pol_ | |
| 20:14:18 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: It seems that you can get a dotpal at ebgames.com now... they were hard to find for a while.... |
| 20:36:01 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: cool. Did you ever post your work to freshmeat? |
| 20:37:27 | CosmicPenguin | Nope, it got delayed a couple of weeks ago, and I have yet to get back on track.... |
| 20:46:54 | andersee | Oh good grief. |
| 20:46:56 | andersee | http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257 |
| 20:47:57 | blzbubba | imprisonment without the possibility of parole seems a bit harsh, eh |
| 20:49:36 | blzbubba | viruses &hacks should be civil offenses, not even criminal |
| 20:49:42 | andersee | And suppose I run nmap to find my dad's box on a certain subnet after the losers upstread change its dhcp provided address, and some loon on the same subnet thinks I'm a "hacker"? |
| 20:50:50 | andersee | Lets suppose someone asks me for code samples on how to do something? I go to jail for life? |
| 20:50:59 | andersee | Whatever happened to free speech? |
| 20:51:13 | blzbubba | it's just a proposal; hopefully this won't stand |
| 20:51:17 | andersee | flag burning is legal, but I can't tell peole how to code? |
| 20:51:25 | blzbubba | the "justice" department always asks for too much |
| 20:51:58 | blzbubba | flag burning won't be legal for long |
| 20:56:54 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: It appears that there is a "intent to do harm" clause somewhere in there |
| 20:59:47 | andersee | Hmm. So if someone asks me how to code questions, and they then write a virus, I'm only in trouble if it can be proven I was intending to do harm? |
| 21:00:18 | prpplague | you know its illegal to own a telephone that has alligator clips on the wires, unless you are specifically employed to service telephone equipment |
| 21:01:32 | AlHazWork | Is it now? |
| 21:01:43 | AlHazWork | you can buy 'em at harbor freight |
| 21:01:49 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I would think so... if someone told you "I'm going to write a virus and crash the IRS" then you would be in trouble |
| 21:02:09 | prpplague | i've been ticket twice from the Texas Deparment of Public Safety |
| 21:02:42 | andersee | Of course, if someone told me that, I'd tell 'em to go stuff themselves. They IRS pays _me_ money. |
| 21:02:46 | CosmicPenguin | But if someone asked you "How do I access the IO port on a x86 box" and then put that information to use in a virus, they shouldn't be able to get you |
| 21:02:51 | AlHazWork | prpplague: for having a butt set? |
| 21:02:56 | andersee | got paid this morning and like the IRS |
| 21:03:03 | prpplague | yep |
| 21:03:06 | CosmicPenguin | Thats like prosecuting a sales clerk for selling OJ the knife.... |
| 21:03:08 | AlHazWork | prpplague: Wild |
| 21:03:15 | RobFlynn | prpplague: that's sucky. |
| 21:03:20 | RobFlynn | prpplague: and stupid, too :). |
| 21:03:29 | blzbubba | well, you can get 2nd degree murder charges if you sell someone drugs and they OD |
| 21:03:31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: s/IRS/<your favorite government agency>/ |
| 21:03:59 | andersee | Today the IRS is my favorite agency. :) |
| 21:05:33 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: all drugs are controlled substances... I don't think code falls in that category |
| 21:06:07 | blzbubba | no but the same logical mistake can be made |
| 21:06:33 | blzbubba | if the goal is to arrest as many people as possible |
| 21:07:12 | blzbubba | one way for the govt to get power is to make as many people criminals as possible, and then they can choose who to arrest |
| 21:07:15 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, they'll arrest you.... but it will just take a few popular people to strike the whole thing down..... |
| 21:07:48 | CosmicPenguin | They'll have to get it through a grand jury and an initial hearing.... |
| 21:08:17 | blzbubba | which is easier than most people would like to think |
| 21:08:47 | blzbubba | grand juries are a joke unless you have johnny cochran on your side |
| 21:08:50 | CosmicPenguin | I guess it all depends on if they caught the real perp or not..... |
| 21:09:13 | blzbubba | sorry, i'm just arguing for arguments sake... |
| 21:09:17 | CosmicPenguin | If they're pissed and they need a scapegoat, then you might be in trouble.... |
| 21:09:32 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: No its good, try to find holes in the argument.... |
| 21:11:03 | CosmicPenguin | I'm actually trying to ratioinalize it, since I know its going to pass congress..... |
| 21:11:14 | CosmicPenguin | They're too pissed right now to worry about checks and balances |
| 21:11:32 | AlHazWork | Well, you know, I have a friend in texas who is a card carrying member of the ACLU |
| 21:11:43 | AlHazWork | AT the last meeting, about a month ago, he brought up Skylarov |
| 21:12:08 | AlHazWork | Several members with more senority more or less shouted him down, proclaiming that Skylarov is "just a theif" |
| 21:12:46 | blzbubba | at the aclu? |
| 21:12:48 | AlHazWork | I still say he shoulda called the BSA and ratted 'em out for buying computers with no OS and installing their own OS on them |
| 21:12:50 | AlHazWork | blzbubba: Yup |
| 21:12:57 | AlHazWork | blzbubba: in San Antonio, iirc |
| 21:13:01 | blzbubba | that's not right. |
| 21:13:07 | AlHazWork | blzbubba: But it happened |
| 21:13:29 | Russ|werk | the ACLU isn't about freedoms in general |
| 21:13:49 | Russ|werk | just the advancement of a few select groups of people |
| 21:30:08 | CosmicPenguin | Damn, the empeg got EOLed....... |
| 21:32:45 | prpplague | BZFlag: you get an order from Dave Anders today? |
| 21:44:11 | prpplague | later |
| 22:24:25 | pattieja | is away: have to reboot the server, just a moment... |
| 22:28:52 | Mike_2006 | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:28:55 | Mike_2006 | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 22:31:50 | Mike_2006 | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:32:07 | Mike_2006 | is back (gone 00:00:17) |
| 22:33:07 | Russ|werk | hey....mike, enough with the away messages |
| 22:34:34 | Mike_2006 | ok |
| 22:38:34 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:38:52 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 22:45:36 | BZFlag | home again |
| 23:17:58 | zachh | I bet somebody has an X calibration program for zach! |
| 23:18:10 | zachh | i could pay then 25 cents |
| 23:20:44 | zachh | or one that i could port.... |