irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.09.23

irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.09.23 02:19:31 prpplague BZFlag: you going to be around tomorrow? 02:28:12 prpplague anyone had any experience with these http://www.keith-koep.com/trizeps.html 02:54:29 Aelhaz nope, looks interesting 02:59:51 BZFlag: sorry... 02:59:51 BZFlag ibot: 650 DEM to USD 02:59:59 BZFlag: huh? 02:59:59 BZFlag ibot: convert 650 DEM to USD 03:00:03 BZFlag hmmm 03:01:09 andersee BZFlag: just checking -- Is the tuxscreen's blob just stock 2.0.4, or has it hacked up in any way? 03:02:08 Aelhaz I'm curious to see if axis is really going to start shipping Etrax boards for $70 03:02:21 BZFlag andersee: stock. 03:02:39 BZFlag etrax? 03:05:02 andersee Aelhaz: Arn't those mmu-less? 03:05:25 Aelhaz BZFlag: the arm core that's used in axis cameras 03:05:34 Aelhaz andersee: they put an mmu in the new version 03:05:45 prpplague 650dem=303us 03:07:06 BZFlag ah. 03:07:32 lordkiwi whats new 03:07:37 Aelhaz at least that was the press release I saw a few months ago 03:07:47 BZFlag ahh... etrax 100LX is mmufull 03:08:12 BZFlag ibot: change 650 GEM to USD 03:08:15 BZFlag: 11.7012 (Dollar (ZWD)) makes 1 (United States Dollar (USD)) 03:08:22 BZFlag ibot: change 650 DEM to USD 03:08:25 BZFlag: 303.493 (Germany Deutsche Mark (DEM)) makes 1 (United States Dollar (USD)) 03:08:37 BZFlag well, the number is right, but the text is wrong. 03:14:43 Aelhaz http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5957990274.html 03:15:10 Aelhaz not a board, actually, just a chip. But axis says all you have to add is a 3.3v power supply and a 20mhz oscilator 03:17:33 BZFlag cool. 03:23:11 Aelhaz pbga isn't exactly a hobbiest-friendly package, boards might not be cheap. they want $40 qty1 for the etrax100lx chip, $400 for the developer board. . . . . hmm 03:31:19 prpplague i'm out here folks 03:31:23 prpplague later 03:32:33 andersee BZFlag: The "reblob" command -- does it allow me to test blob w/o having to flash it? 03:33:14 andersee is wanting to make a few minor adjustments w/o hosing his phone 04:34:52 andersee just checked in to buildroot-tux support for building your own blob 04:39:38 andersee And after flashing in the automagically compiled up blob binary, I am pleased to report that it actually works. :) 04:40:21 andersee Now to backport 230400 baud support... 05:25:49 BZFlag reblob never worked for me, never poked around to see why not. 05:26:12 BZFlag 230400 might be there now. 05:26:21 BZFlag I never tried it though. 05:27:33 NamKyu where can I find a working blob source ? 05:27:48 BZFlag blob SF project. 05:27:50 andersee BZFlag: I'm about to try it now... 05:27:53 NamKyu The blob source from cvs seems not working .. 05:28:24 BZFlag https://sourceforge.net/projects/blob/ 05:28:43 BZFlag NOT cvs from tuxscreen project. CVS from blob project. 05:28:44 NamKyu After I run configure, run make. 05:29:00 NamKyu make print riker's comment message.. 05:29:23 BZFlag see above comments...... blob from blob SF project NOT tuxscreen. 05:29:30 andersee BZFlag: There is now a 'make blob' target in the tuxscreen's buildroot-tux 05:29:37 andersee It worked for me... 05:29:44 NamKyu echo 'DO NOT USE THIS RELEASE!!!' 05:29:44 NamKyu echo 'IT IS STILL HERE JUST TO PRESERVE THE FRAME BUFFER CODE!' 05:29:44 NamKyu echo 'Tim Riker <Tim@Rikers.org>' 05:29:55 BZFlag NamKyu: are you even listening? 05:29:56 NamKyu In my case, this message show up.. 05:30:15 BZFlag is Tim Riker <Tim@Rikers.org> 05:30:28 NamKyu Hi, 05:30:38 BZFlag are you listening? 05:30:47 NamKyu yes.. 05:30:57 NamKyu i'm here.. 05:31:10 BZFlag you are trying to build blob from the tuxscreen project. DO NOT USE THAT VERSION. 05:31:21 NamKyu then ? 05:31:25 BZFlag go use the mainstream release in the blob SF project. 05:31:31 andersee Bummer. It seems my hacking broke blob. Time to make pull out that JTAG dongle... 05:31:50 BZFlag andersee: might just be a baud rate thing? 05:32:07 andersee Well, it doesn 05:32:14 andersee Well, it doesn't seem to be booting at all... 05:32:23 andersee I musta broke it. 05:32:31 BZFlag yep. sounds like it. 05:32:55 andersee goes to read the wiki re using the JTAG dongle... 05:32:55 BZFlag NamKyu: did you find the blob project? http://sourceforge.net/projects/blob/ 05:33:00 NamKyu ok 05:33:37 BZFlag NamKyu: be sure to get the 2.0.4 release version if you do not have jtag, current cvs snapshots might be broken. 05:34:01 NamKyu Now my jtag is stable.. 05:34:07 BZFlag ok. cool. 05:34:21 NamKyu so I program blob-2.0.4 binary prebuild. 05:34:41 NamKyu And I would like to add some function to blob.. 05:35:21 BZFlag nice. what are you planning on adding? 05:35:30 NamKyu hmm.. 05:35:59 NamKyu i'm goint to add zmodem downloading feature.. 05:36:18 BZFlag cool. use the latest CVS version then. erikm changed the command line handling. 05:36:47 NamKyu I failed in downloading kernel and ramdisk using uuencode.. 05:36:49 BZFlag I have not tested the very latest on the tux though, so try the latest version without any mods first to be sure it works. 05:37:07 BZFlag failed with 2.0.4 or with the latest cvs? 05:37:23 NamKyu 2.0.4.. 05:37:37 NamKyu failed in CHECK_OUT_OF_RANGE 05:37:38 NamKyu .. 05:38:20 BZFlag NamKyu: what did you do to build it? 05:38:48 BZFlag I do: spam... 05:38:50 NamKyu After receive blob src, 05:38:51 BZFlag #!/bin/sh 05:38:51 BZFlag make maintainer-clean 05:38:51 BZFlag tools/rebuild-gcc 05:38:51 BZFlag tools/rebuild-gcc 05:38:51 BZFlag CC=arm-linux-gcc 05:38:51 BZFlag export CC 05:38:53 BZFlag # --enable-blob-debug \ 05:38:55 BZFlag ./configure \ 05:38:57 BZFlag --with-linux-prefix=/usr/src/linux-2.4.6-rmk2-np1-tux3 \ 05:38:59 BZFlag --enable-maintainer-mode \ 05:39:01 BZFlag --with-board=shannon \ 05:39:03 BZFlag arm-linux 05:39:05 BZFlag make 05:39:21 NamKyu Ok .. same as .. 05:39:29 NamKyu ok .then I will try again.. 05:41:12 NamKyu riker, sorry for my bad english.. 05:41:56 BZFlag no problem. I just want to make sure that you know where to start so you don't have to redo work that has been done. ;-) 05:44:06 NamKyu cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.tuxscreen.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/tuxscreen co blob 05:44:18 NamKyu after get blob from cvs.. 05:44:27 BZFlag no... 05:44:32 NamKyu ? 05:45:10 BZFlag cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.blob.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/blob co blob 05:45:25 NamKyu Ok .. 05:45:46 NamKyu current blob source in tuxscreen project is broken ? 05:46:15 BZFlag cd blob ; tools/rebuild-gcc ; tools/rebuild-gcc ; CC=arm-linux-gcc ; export CC 05:46:39 BZFlag yes. blob is tuxscreen is broken and will forever be broken. use the normal blob. 05:46:59 NamKyu ok thanks.. 05:47:56 BZFlag is glad he added the message to tux cvs blob. flashing that broken version would be bad. 05:50:24 NamKyu now the blob version is blob version 2.0.5-pre1 05:50:33 NamKyu and just I finished program a new blob.. 05:50:40 NamKyu It works.. 05:50:43 BZFlag yes. as I mentioned erikm has added some new code since 2.0.4 05:50:51 NamKyu thank you.. 05:50:57 BZFlag nice. that's the version to add stuff to. 05:51:02 NamKyu ok.. 05:51:52 BZFlag please send patches if you get it working. You can upload them to the blob SF project into the patches tree or just mail them to one of the team members. (me for example. ;-) Tim@Rikers.org 05:52:40 NamKyu Yes.. 05:52:41 zachh Anybody around? 05:52:58 BZFlag zachh: yep, but we should be sleeping. 05:53:04 zachh heh 05:53:15 zachh i am having trouble getting a pivot root working... 05:53:30 zachh i can chroot into the cf card nicely 05:53:38 BZFlag what's the issue? you using v0.3 or buildroot-tux ? 05:53:54 zachh but when I pivot root it says that i passed an invalid argument 05:53:58 zachh v0.3 05:54:01 BZFlag if v0.3 do you have the script from the PivotRoot page? 05:54:08 zachh yep 05:54:22 zachh i think, lemme double check it.... 05:56:17 zachh still says invalid arguments 05:56:59 zachh hmm 05:57:22 BZFlag after what command? (try adding a -x to the first line) 05:58:05 BZFlag do you have linuxrc on the CF and is it +x ? 05:58:36 BZFlag and do you have a /initrd directory on the CF? that might me it. 05:58:48 zachh after the pivot root command 05:58:59 BZFlag got /initrd directory? 05:59:08 zachh yep 05:59:12 zachh on the cf 05:59:25 BZFlag and a /linuxrc that is +x ? 05:59:32 zachh yeppers on the cf 05:59:57 BZFlag hmmm.... you command line is: pivot_root /mnt /mnt/initrd && exec /linuxrc ? 06:00:02 BZFlag er your... 06:00:50 zachh yep, but i do have one descrepency, instead of the /mnt its in the directory /mnt/task-bootstrap 06:00:54 BZFlag I have used that exact script here. 06:01:24 BZFlag so you have pivot_root /mnt/task-bootstrap /mnt/task-bootstrap/initrd ? 06:01:30 zachh yep 06:01:39 BZFlag hmmm.... 06:01:42 BZFlag ponders. 06:01:54 BZFlag I doubt that will work. 06:02:02 zachh really? 06:02:16 BZFlag it wants a real mount point, not a directory. 06:03:13 zachh hmmm well worth a try 06:03:17 BZFlag pivot_root /mnt /mnt/task-bootstrap/initrd && exec chroot /task-bootstrap /linuxrc might work 06:04:00 BZFlag though I doubt even that as the chroot will be process 1 and /linuxrc will be some other process. 06:04:41 BZFlag I wonder if you can: exec chroot /task-bootstrap exec /linuxrc 06:05:09 BZFlag is doubtful. 06:05:34 BZFlag is there some reason you don't just ( cd /mnt/task-bootstrap ; cp -a * .. ) ? 06:05:48 zachh not really, just lazy 06:05:50 zachh heh 06:05:53 BZFlag er... mv * .. , but you knew that. 06:05:59 zachh thats what i was going to do 06:06:03 BZFlag ok. 06:06:04 zachh yep 06:07:16 zachh what terminal emul do you use? 06:09:30 BZFlag minicom, debian sid. 06:13:23 zachh i've been making pretty good headway getting x up and running, etc 06:13:47 zachh once i get a comfortable x env up I will begin the coding process.... 06:16:36 zachh COOL, i got it working!!! 06:16:39 zachh thanks, bud! 06:18:58 BZFlag you bet. 06:20:52 andersee gcc -c -g -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -o Jflash.o Jflash.cpp 06:20:52 andersee Jflash.cpp:56: ../blob/include/splash.h: No such file or directory 06:25:06 BZFlag hehe 06:25:25 BZFlag well, perhaps you need tuxscreen blob. 06:25:38 BZFlag actually the code for the splash screen should die. 06:25:42 andersee Oh man. This app is a mess. Hard coded paths galore... 06:25:52 andersee BZFlag: I'm killing it... 06:26:12 BZFlag you should have seen it when I got it. I did enough cleanup to get it into cvs anyway. 06:26:31 BZFlag want a binary? 06:27:08 BZFlag though I suppose if you clean is up more we could add it to the buildroot ;-) 06:27:12 andersee yes, that would be nice. Is there one posted? 06:27:21 BZFlag hmmm... /me looks 06:27:46 BZFlag not yet... 06:30:10 andersee K. Got it fixed so it compiles. Fixed the hard coded path so it will work within buildroot (still messy and hardcoded). 06:31:34 andersee So how do I make this goofy thing work? 06:31:51 BZFlag lags 06:32:30 BZFlag flash < blob 06:33:19 andersee How do I know tell if it is doing something... I exits immediately. 06:33:35 BZFlag no message at all? that's not right. 06:33:55 BZFlag sounds like the cable is not working... 06:34:23 andersee No msg, no nothing. 06:34:26 BZFlag I uploaded my binary in a tgz 06:34:39 BZFlag try flash_locks 06:34:49 andersee I checked in my changes to make it compile... 06:35:18 andersee # ./jflash flash_locks 06:35:19 andersee # 06:35:24 andersee nada 06:35:31 BZFlag no... ./flash_locks 06:36:21 andersee Ahh. 'make install' target. Someone should teach it about proper multi-call behavior... 06:37:05 BZFlag heh. I hear rumors of a jtag project starting... jflash has been hack so many times by so many projects. 06:38:43 cory how far are we from 802.11b carrying command signals to a tuxscreen and voip back and forth using, say, a notebook as a cordless phone? 06:40:20 BZFlag a assume you want to talk out the voice line? then we need the DSP to work. no progress on that ove rthe last few weeks. 06:41:01 cory nods 06:41:20 BZFlag a linksys 802.11b 3.3v card should work to talk to the notebook, and h323 could run on the notebook, but h323 will not yet run on the phone as the sound/dsp is not there yet. 06:41:46 BZFlag andersee: progress? /me wants to sleep 06:42:10 andersee I seem to be flashing something. Need to try again with a non-broken blob this time... 06:42:30 BZFlag k. 06:42:43 andersee BTW, I think we shoudl take some current buildroot images and post them... 06:43:00 andersee The stuff in v.03 is a bit dated now. 06:43:05 BZFlag yeah. Sounds like a Good Thing. 06:43:23 BZFlag feel free to make a v0.4 ;-) 06:43:23 andersee I think we are now better in everything... 06:43:30 andersee heh 06:43:36 andersee perhaps I will 06:43:45 BZFlag zmodem yet? 06:44:06 BZFlag that's the only thing I can think of. 06:44:31 cory what about 802.11b airport client to 802.11b linksys wap11 base station to linux box over ethernet using ssh to serial port connected to a tuxscreen on the phone line? 06:45:06 cory now that, that would be cool. 06:45:29 andersee Why bring the serial port into it? 06:45:49 cory too cheap 06:45:59 BZFlag you mean ppp over the serial line instead of a eth card? should work. 06:46:05 cory yes, bzflag. 06:46:23 cory ok, that sounds cool. is it possible to damage the lucent dsp while hacking on it? 06:46:28 andersee But if you're already doing 802.11b, just plug one of 'em in? 06:46:29 BZFlag phone should at least handle 115200 baud with pppd 06:46:40 cory andersee: that requires purchasing another card 06:46:44 andersee ahh 06:47:16 BZFlag dsp: unknown. it might be possible to erase the firmware in the dsp and we do not have it to replace at this point. 06:47:36 andersee BTW, my phone is now officially resurrected 06:47:51 BZFlag there is a jtag on the dsp, but nobody I know has hooked up to it. 06:47:54 cory bzflag: eek. :) 06:48:07 BZFlag andersee: sweet. 06:48:34 BZFlag andersee: you going to try rz/sz for buildroot? then we would be all around better. 06:48:37 andersee Its kindof funny, I have the phone propped up sideways sitting on the 2 MO drives (which hold it close enough) 06:49:08 andersee Hadn't hit my "itch" list. 06:49:16 andersee Would be nice I suppose. 06:49:25 BZFlag I might do it tomorrow then. 06:49:29 andersee k. 06:49:49 BZFlag wait till tomorrow night before making a new release. k? 06:49:53 andersee Tomorrow I think I will do some service -- like fixing cdrecord for debian 06:49:54 cory hm 06:50:09 cory so, if you don't have the dsp figured out, what can you do w/ a tuxscreen? 06:50:17 andersee mkisofs is missing from testing... 06:50:17 cory where are the major hacking efforts right now? 06:50:51 andersee cory: I was going to make tone dialing work today -- but I got distracted since blob was annoying me. 06:50:54 BZFlag cory: a cheap color xterm? 06:51:28 cory bzflag: ah. 06:51:29 andersee I guess there is still plenty of today left... ;) 06:51:44 BZFlag wonders why rz and sz are two binaries... ;-) 06:52:59 BZFlag well. catch ya tomorrow 17:00:45 Antity Hi all. 17:06:48 Antity I'd like to order one from Germany; anyone else here from Germany or near countries so we could bundle orders/payment? 17:07:14 Antity BZFlag: :) I just sent you a mail a few minutes ago 17:08:22 BZFlag got it. you can do paypal, money order (bank draft) or a check in USD. 17:09:08 Antity BZFlag: Do you have similar questions from other people "here" so we could combine orders and shipment? 17:10:19 Antity money order is way... expensive to the US here, and sending a check - insecure, I think. My sister's packet to the US got stolen half a year ago, although it only contained clothes. 17:12:03 Antity So if there are more people from Germany insterested in buying one, I'd be glad if you could return them my contact (because of privacy) so we could gather orders and share the risk. 17:13:06 BZFlag I don't have any from germany at the moment. uk, kr, nl are a few I can think of. 17:13:24 BZFlag have you tried paypal? 17:14:03 Antity AFAIK you need a credit card to be able to use Penpal in Germany. I don't have one (and 'm not planning to get one because of security) 17:14:21 BZFlag ah 17:14:32 Antity Credit cards may be "normal" in the US, however, they are definitely not in Germany. :-( 17:14:57 Antity Most US online shopping sites don't seem to understand this. 17:15:14 BZFlag what do online shoppers use in germany? 17:15:48 Antity "Lastschrift", "Nachnahme" or "Rechnung" 17:16:16 BZFlag ibot x de en "Lastschrift", "Nachnahme" or "Rechnung" 17:16:17 BZFlag: " debit ", " cash on delivery " or " calculation " 17:16:20 Antity The first is, you tell the company your bank account and they have allowance to get the cash from the bank. Only works within Germany, AFAIK. 17:16:26 Antity :-) 17:16:51 Antity The "Nachnahme" translation is quite correct, because you pay the packet delivery man. 17:16:54 BZFlag what's the last option? calculation? 17:17:10 Antity "Rechnung" is more like.. You get the bill and tell your bank to send the money to that account 17:17:20 BZFlag ah 17:18:01 BZFlag international COD (Nachnahme) is very risky here. many times one would not get payment, but they will get the package. 17:18:57 BZFlag and you are correct on debit, there is no way in the US to do this afaik. 17:19:16 Antity It's problematic in Germany, too. You (customer) will only get the package if you pay. That's ok, but the package company (mostly Deutsche Bundespost) will charge about $9 just for doing this extra. 17:19:36 Antity Even within Germany. 17:20:00 BZFlag I should be able to send my account info to you and have you do a transfer to it, but I don't have the routing code info right now. 17:20:37 Antity I would send you 2x $50 traveller cheques by mail, if that is ok, if there's a secure way they'll arrive at your home. 17:21:06 BZFlag and shipping? 17:21:19 Antity It's just too easy to fish them out of the usual shipping stream 17:21:27 Antity sh.. you're right, I forgot shipping. sorry. 17:22:08 BZFlag there won't be any problem with delivery on this end. It's the routing in between that concerns me. 17:22:33 BZFlag I've gotten quite a few checks in the mail, none reported lost or delayed yet. 17:22:50 Antity DE<->US should be mostly air fright, which could be heavily disturbed ATM because of these attacks 17:22:50 BZFlag from as far away as korea and australia. ;-) 17:22:59 Antity :) 17:23:20 Antity s/fright/freight/ 17:23:25 BZFlag things seem to be mostly recovered from what I've heard from people I ship to. 17:23:53 BZFlag "air fright" <- all to apropriate now. ;-/ 17:24:22 Antity ok, I'll take the risk. What do you prefer? Sent cheques or directly between our banks? which is more expensive and takes more than a week AFAIK, too 17:24:31 Antity BZFlag: Freud knew. :-/ 17:24:39 BZFlag heh 17:24:57 BZFlag whichever is cheaper for you. 17:25:01 Antity k 17:25:08 BZFlag they are all fine for me. 17:26:32 BZFlag http://ircalc.usps.gov/speed.asp?Country=Germany&Pounds=7&Ounces=13&cmdSubmit=Continue&Contents=1 17:26:40 Antity Now playing on TV: "Monkey King" *urgh* 17:27:16 BZFlag global express mail would be 47.60, so three $50 travelers checks would be close... 17:27:44 BZFlag air mail would be http://ircalc.usps.gov/details.asp?txtMaxIndemnity=5000&txtIndemnity=100&RadioReturn=0&Method=20&Cost=31.45&Commit=4+-+7+Days&MethodText=Airmail+Parcel+Post&Country=Germany&Pounds=7&Ounces=13&Oversize=&GXGNonWeight=Max.length+60%22%2C+max.+length+plus+girth+108%22&bCOM=True&bPickup=True&bReturnReceipt=True&RadioSS=2&cmdSubmit=Continue 17:27:59 BZFlag air mail + ins would be $34.05 17:28:09 Antity 'M still wondering why they're still charging about $50 for such a packet. 17:29:04 BZFlag me too, but they do get there in a timely manner. 17:29:14 BZFlag I've gotta run. back in a few hours. 17:34:11 prpplague howdy howdy 17:47:41 zachh anybody here have any experience with pump the dhcp client? 17:48:39 zachh specifically on the tuxscreen i guess 17:49:16 prpplague zachh: sorry, only under x86 17:50:18 zachh ahh 22:31:32 Russ zachh: why do you ask? 22:58:38 zachh about what? 23:00:24 prpplague zachh: i think he is refering to your question on dhcp client 23:00:40 zachh ahh 23:00:58 zachh i was having some major trouble with pump 23:01:00 zachh all day today 23:01:55 zachh i tried everything, but all it does it return me directly to the command prompt 23:02:02 zachh without saying anything else 23:05:12 prpplague normally pump doesn't produce any output, did you check to see if you ifconfig had changed? 23:15:25 zachh ifconfig did indeed not change 23:15:36 zachh i did every combination 23:15:41 zachh but no returns 23:22:36 Russ try udhcp 23:25:50 prpplague zachh: not that i wish you trouble, but its good to know someone else has porblems with pump 23:26:45 Russ I should look at the pump source sometime 23:47:58 zachh where would i get this fabled udhcp 23:48:14 zachh i looked everywhere for another alternative 23:49:44 zachh nevermind i got it 23:49:44 zachh .... 23:53:35 Russ freshmeat 23:53:51 Russ BZFlag: did you ever give the cvs a try for the bootp options? 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