| 00:57:50 | RobFlynn | is away: eat'n |
| 04:02:48 | ronin | a7r: Yeah, but you masturbate to ascii porn too, so your opinion doesn't matter. |
| 04:02:59 | ronin | whups, wrong window :P |
| 05:10:31 | Russ | haha |
| 05:55:06 | andersee | Hey Russ |
| 06:00:27 | RobFlynn | lol |
| 06:22:29 | cdm | neat. |
| 06:22:30 | cdm | peoples. |
| 06:22:36 | cdm | living people? |
| 06:23:36 | andersee | dead mostly |
| 06:24:02 | cdm | ;) |
| 06:25:35 | cdm | is gonna see if he can get some QNX people interested in this project to help unburden Tim of some more units. |
| 06:26:24 | andersee | I'm sure Tim won't mind getting them out of his garage.... |
| 06:27:45 | cdm | I am sure! ;) |
| 06:37:39 | cory | tim can be paid via CC? |
| 06:44:05 | andersee | CC? Credit Card, sure. |
| 06:47:00 | cory | credit card, paypal? |
| 06:48:59 | andersee | yup. http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//TimRiker |
| 06:49:28 | cory | nice. |
| 06:49:33 | cory | I'm getting a credit card soon. |
| 06:49:54 | cory | I want my parents to loan me money soon. I get paid $400 in 3 weeks. |
| 06:50:28 | cory | I should be +$800 in my bank account right now but I'm an idiot and didn't work and didn't submit timesheets at my job |
| 06:50:34 | cory | *pounds head in* |
| 06:51:11 | cory | heh. and I just blew $300 on a linksys wap11 and a wintv/go+fm |
| 06:51:41 | cory | </minor_troubles> |
| 07:14:30 | GoRK | yo |
| 07:18:29 | andersee | hey man |
| 07:18:33 | GoRK | sup? |
| 07:18:41 | GoRK | i got picogui problems almost totally solved |
| 07:18:48 | GoRK | also i met rammstein |
| 07:18:59 | andersee | Not too much. I was just poking at trying to make the backlight turn itself off. |
| 07:19:11 | GoRK | oh. do you have russ's patch? |
| 07:19:21 | andersee | I do -- locks my phone solid. |
| 07:19:31 | GoRK | it supports brightness, contrast, and backlight ioctls |
| 07:19:33 | GoRK | oh |
| 07:19:36 | GoRK | hmm |
| 07:19:36 | andersee | Unless there is an update... |
| 07:20:22 | GoRK | gork 3549 Sep 15 16:55 /home/gork/ts.diff <-- that the one you have? |
| 07:21:10 | GoRK | my backlight comes on and off fine using it. i've tried it on 3 phones now.. one of mine and two of my friends' |
| 07:21:48 | andersee | [andersen@dillweed buildroot-tux]$ md5sum ts.diff |
| 07:21:48 | andersee | 6e3e38a30fca85289b8c0e86b9c84e31 ts.diff |
| 07:22:08 | GoRK | 2c44f1d49a3acc43bd91666dab873a46 /home/gork/ts.diff |
| 07:22:12 | GoRK | ooooh |
| 07:22:28 | andersee | Mind emailing that one to me and I'll add it to the build |
| 07:22:35 | GoRK | i have to email it to you. cheap firewall no dcc |
| 07:22:40 | GoRK | try it first |
| 07:22:48 | andersee | but of course. |
| 07:22:56 | GoRK | you might want to check brightness/contrast ioctls also. i havent written that app yet |
| 07:23:03 | GoRK | but russ put em in there |
| 07:23:08 | GoRK | what email? |
| 07:23:44 | andersee | I just bumped up the mtd version as well -- the mtd.patch isn't needed any more (in CVS) and this eliminates the "Child dir "." (ino #1) of dir ino #1 appears to be a hard link" noise |
| 07:24:04 | GoRK | hehe i rode the elevator and stayed next door to rammstein :) |
| 07:24:22 | andersee | who is rammstein? |
| 07:24:39 | GoRK | the german band |
| 07:24:55 | andersee | Ahh. |
| 07:25:22 | GoRK | they got the finger pointed at them for a lot of the columbine incident. i didnt get a chance to ask them if they had gotten any bad vibes from being back in denver the first time since then |
| 07:25:46 | GoRK | although it is very possible that that is why they started the tour in denver |
| 07:26:09 | andersee | I recall at least one song by them -- not bad listening |
| 07:26:31 | GoRK | it's pretty hardcore stuff but good |
| 07:27:04 | GoRK | they purposely pick words that sound vulgar and violent in english but mean very neutral or even pleasant things in german. |
| 07:28:00 | GoRK | such as rammstein. literally translated it means 'ram in' but it's also just the name of a city |
| 07:28:36 | GoRK | and the song 'rammstein' by rammstein can be taken to be a nice little tune about the city :) |
| 07:29:07 | GoRK | anyway they are touring with 'disturbed' and i drank a couple beers with them yesterday |
| 07:30:30 | andersee | cool -- not often us lowly peons get to hang with the famous folks. |
| 07:32:00 | GoRK | well they are europeans. it's a different deal for them |
| 07:32:07 | GoRK | ok you should have that patch in short order |
| 07:32:26 | andersee | thx |
| 07:32:44 | GoRK | (as in it just went out, check yer email) |
| 07:42:44 | Meatsicle | yo |
| 07:42:59 | GoRK | yo i gotta go to sleep |
| 07:43:19 | Meatsicle | goodnight |
| 07:43:47 | GoRK | later |
| 07:52:45 | andersee | night |
| 09:42:58 | raybass | time for bed |
| 09:43:01 | raybass | but I can't sleep |
| 09:43:36 | raybass | i can play snake on my tuxscreen |
| 09:45:49 | raybass | damnit |
| 09:45:50 | raybass | i died |
| 09:47:00 | raybass | tries to shove alcohol down russ' throat |
| 09:59:28 | cory | hehe |
| 10:01:23 | raybass | bah, he won't drink |
| 10:01:27 | raybass | all he wants to do is play worms |
| 10:03:18 | cory | |
| 10:03:22 | cory | ~. |
| 10:03:49 | cory | oops. |
| 10:04:14 | cory | thought my ssh was dead. |
| 10:08:07 | raybass | Russ: no worms |
| 13:54:16 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:10:55 | Aelhaz | morning |
| 14:41:18 | prpplague | Aelhaz: got a minute? |
| 15:26:36 | prpplague | is away: out for coffee |
| 15:35:36 | prpplague | is back (gone 00:09:00) |
| 15:41:03 | Aelhaz | oh, er, I do now |
| 15:47:57 | prpplague | Aelhaz: thanks anyway, i answered my own question |
| 16:12:58 | Aelhaz | sorry for disappearing :) |
| 16:20:02 | prpplague | Aelhaz: thats ok, i'm still battling combining the kernel image and initrd image |
| 16:22:20 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 16:23:11 | prpplague | Aelhaz: got a good kernel, got a good initrd, just not quite sure about putting them together |
| 16:23:43 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 16:24:13 | Aelhaz | I recall that javastations have to be booted with a method wherein the initial ramdisk is glommed onto the end of the kernel file itself |
| 16:25:36 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya i know it can be done, just not sure if i've got the grey matter to understand it |
| 16:27:13 | Aelhaz | the javastation howto made it sound pretty easy, but i ended up never picking up a javastation |
| 16:27:44 | prpplague | Aelhaz: the javastation a sa based unit? |
| 16:27:54 | Aelhaz | I was interested in turning one into a console mp3 player, but nobody could give me any real specs for the audio capabilities, or any reports of how clean the audio was |
| 16:28:01 | Aelhaz | prpplague: No, it's a sparc based unit |
| 16:28:30 | Aelhaz | 110mhz sun4m cpu |
| 16:28:52 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ahh, got the howto, i'll look at the info in there |
| 16:29:36 | Aelhaz | the bootloader in the javastation 1 is braindamaged, required some hacks |
| 16:32:51 | prpplague | Aelhaz: looks like they just used the piggyback command to combine the images |
| 16:33:05 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 16:33:10 | prpplague | Aelhaz: but they also used .a files not ELF |
| 16:34:29 | Aelhaz | yeah, no elf support in that boot loader |
| 16:36:03 | prpplague | hmm, guess i can try the piggyback command and see what i get |
| 16:38:53 | prpplague | looks like piggyback is a sparc only app |
| 16:43:40 | pattieja | is back (gone 18:08:25) |
| 16:48:27 | prpplague | ahh, piggyback is just included in the source tree under sparc, it can be downloaded for other archs |
| 17:25:12 | andersee | Russ: You here? |
| 17:25:30 | Russ | yes |
| 17:26:05 | andersee | I spent a few minutes messing your the ts.diff patch last night. |
| 17:26:38 | andersee | Both yours, and Cosmic's variant lock my phone solid when starting the ts driver... |
| 17:27:03 | andersee | Without the patch it boots up just fine. |
| 17:27:21 | andersee | Any suggestions on what I should look at? |
| 17:27:44 | Russ | its calls into the ucb driver |
| 17:33:20 | prpplague | Russ/andersee: can either one of you guys give me some pointers on combine a kernel image with an initrd image? |
| 17:35:14 | Russ | prpplague: why do you need to? |
| 17:36:20 | prpplague | Russ: the bootloader i'm dealing with does not handle the extraction of the initrd image to ram |
| 17:36:57 | Russ | "extraction" |
| 17:37:02 | Russ | it just needs to be copied |
| 17:37:27 | prpplague | Russ: sorry my incorrect phrasing |
| 17:37:41 | Russ | don't know anything about that combination |
| 17:38:28 | prpplague | Russ: there are lots of references for people who have done it for bootloaders and network booting, but no real docs |
| 17:39:21 | prpplague | Russ: there is even a "make bootpImage" that will combine and create an image, but no docs on how to use it |
| 17:40:24 | andersee | prpplague: Check out the zImage.initrd target linux/arch/ppc/boot/prep/Makefile |
| 17:49:02 | prpplague | andersee: i see makefile and that they are creating an image, but i can't seem to follow what they are doing... |
| 17:49:43 | andersee | see the target right before -- they use objcopy... |
| 17:50:57 | prpplague | yes |
| 17:51:27 | andersee | Thats the magic you need to do... |
| 17:51:57 | andersee | Glomming an initrd into the kernel image is nice for tftp booting and such... |
| 17:55:40 | prpplague | andersee: i understand the concept, and the purpose of combining initrd to the kernel for netboot, but i'm not understanding functions involved |
| 17:55:46 | prpplague | andersee: thanks for the help |
| 17:56:05 | prpplague | andersee: i'm going to read some more about the ppc/boot stuff |
| 17:59:13 | andersee | Theres nothing all that special about how the ppc does it -- that just the only arch where I'd seen it in the kernel tree |
| 18:00:25 | prpplague | andersee: i'm sure there is some small piece of info that i need to draw it all together |
| 18:44:27 | prpplague | this is stupid, i need to quit messing around with this bootload and get a better one |
| 18:57:11 | prpplague | the blob files on the tuxscreen web site are already compiled for the shannon right? |
| 19:18:30 | Russ | right |
| 19:18:40 | Russ | you can get the source from blob.sf.net |
| 19:22:35 | prpplague | Russ: thanks, i've got the source, but i'm having trouble with the configure app |
| 19:22:57 | prpplague | Russ: it keeps seeing my gcc rather than the linux-arm-gcc |
| 19:24:01 | Russ | export CC=... |
| 19:24:04 | Russ | rm config.cache |
| 19:24:10 | Russ | do you have your arch number in there? |
| 19:25:29 | prpplague | Russ: not yet, i'm testing on the shannon first then make my mods. |
| 19:25:35 | prpplague | Russ: thanks that was it |
| 19:34:35 | prpplague | Russ: the --with-linux-prefix , is that refering to the kernel source, or arm includes? |
| 20:13:17 | andersee | bother. I need to teach blob to just use a single speed... All the mucking about changing speeds for downloads is stupid... |
| 20:17:13 | prpplague | ya, that is kinda pain |
| 20:20:49 | prpplague | andersee: whats the correct hex entry for 206mhz cpuspeed in blob? |
| 20:21:32 | andersee | dunno I'm afraid |
| 20:23:07 | andersee | Russ: I found where it is hanging for me... |
| 20:23:13 | andersee | UCB1200 generic module installed |
| 20:23:13 | andersee | if ((1023 >> 0) & 1) ucb1200_set_io_direction(0, 1); |
| 20:23:40 | andersee | Inside backlight_init() in drivers/char/ucb1200_ts.c |
| 20:45:03 | prpplague | Russ/andersee: either one of you guys know what the mcs0 memory setting is defined as in blob? |
| 20:58:31 | Russ | andersee: then its probably in ucb1200_set_io_direction |
| 21:08:06 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:10:46 | prpplague | andersee: you still around? |
| 21:10:52 | andersee | Russ: Yup. Seems that ucb1200_set_io_direction() chokes on 'data = sib_read_codec(UCB1200_REG_IO_DIRECTION);' |
| 21:11:00 | andersee | prpplague: just got outta the shower |
| 21:11:25 | prpplague | andersee: mind answering a couple questions about blob? |
| 21:12:26 | andersee | I can try, but I |
| 21:12:33 | andersee | I can try, but I'm not a blob developer... |
| 21:13:04 | andersee | I've never looked at the blob code... I'm sure I could and I'm sure I could figure stuff out... |
| 21:13:09 | Russ | waiting for an interupt? |
| 21:13:17 | andersee | BZFlag is a blob developper... |
| 21:13:43 | prpplague | andersee: hmm, i thought i say a couple of rem's in there from you |
| 21:13:43 | andersee | Russ: Havn't had time to check yet.... I had to mow the lawn -- just finished taking a shower. |
| 21:14:18 | prpplague | andersee: ok, i'll bushwach BZFlag when he shows up then |
| 21:14:31 | andersee | prpplague: perhaps people have swiped my code? dunno... |
| 21:15:22 | prpplague | software_interrupt:/* NOTE: This is NOT an error! If you think that blob should return |
| 21:15:22 | prpplague | * from software interrupts, you're plain WRONG. The source of the |
| 21:15:22 | prpplague | * problem is in the kernel: you should *disable* CONFIG_ANGELBOOT |
| 21:15:22 | prpplague | * simply because blob is not angel. -- Erik |
| 21:15:22 | prpplague | */ |
| 21:15:23 | andersee | I do plan on looking. I'd love to be able to set it to use 230400 always -- not change for d/ls |
| 21:15:49 | prpplague | must be a different erik |
| 21:16:17 | andersee | prpplague: Erik Mouw |
| 21:16:21 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:16:35 | andersee | http://www-ict.its.tudelft.nl/~erik/ |
| 21:18:22 | prpplague | ya i see eriks posts on the linux-arm mailing list, just didn't make the connection |
| 21:24:11 | prpplague | did BZFlag do the changes on blob for the shannon? |
| 21:30:40 | Russ | most of them |
| 21:30:49 | Russ | I did the rest |
| 21:33:06 | prpplague | Russ: if i need to have blob execute not a the normal 0x0000000 location, but from a different location, is there an easy way to do that? |
| 21:41:00 | Russ | probably |
| 21:41:56 | Russ | you'd probably just want the "rest" part |
| 21:42:31 | prpplague | Russ: this sa-1100 system has a fail safe bootloader at 0x000000 and if it detects a boot loader in flash it jumps to that location and executes |
| 22:31:11 | prpplague | well i'm getting larted but not much farther |
| 22:58:20 | prpplague | hmm, seems blob dies when writing zeros to 0xc1000000 |
| 23:04:41 | andersee | prpplague: Are you working with the latest blob from CVS? |
| 23:06:20 | prpplague | no, i'm working on the blob from the lart site, blob is already running in ram at 0xc1000000 and when it writes zeros it kills itself |
| 23:07:16 | Russ | run it from flash then |
| 23:07:32 | Russ | make a head that jumps to flash |
| 23:07:41 | andersee | Russ: Is the latest from CVS safe to use at the moment? |
| 23:08:03 | Russ | think so, its been very volitile |
| 23:09:13 | andersee | Ugh. Very volatile doesn't sound promissing... |
| 23:09:18 | prpplague | Russ: thats the the issue, i thought i was running in flash |
| 23:09:42 | Russ | you sure it isn't copying it to ram first? |
| 23:09:55 | prpplague | Russ: thats what i'm looking at now |
| 23:13:59 | prpplague | Russ: ya i looks like blob is coping itself to ram and then jumping to that code |
| 23:14:15 | andersee | Russ: Is the version of blob currently in use for the tuxscreen stock blob 2.0.4? |
| 23:16:37 | Russ | right |
| 23:16:56 | Russ | (pretty sure, I run off CVS, but its not the most up to date CVS) |
| 23:18:05 | andersee | Anything sneaky needed to compile up blob? I'm wanting to get blob added into the buildroot system to ensure we have something that works... |
| 23:18:54 | Russ | not really, just make your CC an env when running ./configure |
| 23:19:42 | andersee | k, thx. |
| 23:20:17 | andersee | has gotten distracted from fixing the backlight blanking... |
| 23:27:03 | prpplague | Russ: well i'm confused on why blob is coping itself ram and then tries to write zeros to the ram |
| 23:53:59 | prpplague | well you gurus, i'm calling it a night |
| 23:54:04 | prpplague | later |
| 23:54:16 | prpplague | thanks for the help today |