| 00:24:14 | sammy | hello everyone... |
| 01:16:30 | zachh | GoRK: you around? |
| 01:31:57 | as2 | Id be inclined to take that as a no. |
| 01:32:21 | zachh | hehe |
| 01:32:28 | zachh | i suppose so |
| 03:37:26 | BZFlag | crap isp.... |
| 03:41:47 | AeroSpace | I'm on modem, does that make you fell better? |
| 03:47:16 | Sebas | anybody who can't help me find why PCMCIA is not compiling? |
| 03:47:40 | BZFlag | heh. at least your dialup isp seems to grasp rdns |
| 03:47:52 | BZFlag | Sebas: from buildroot-tux ? |
| 03:48:36 | Sebas | plain buildroot worked fine |
| 03:48:44 | Sebas | but now I'm starting to play arround... |
| 03:48:51 | BZFlag | pcmcia-cs tries to build a bunch of stuff in debug-tools that are x86 only. ignore the errors and move on it that's what you are seeing |
| 03:49:16 | Sebas | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `sa1100.o', needed by `all'. Stop. |
| 03:49:39 | Sebas | only changes from buildroot: reconfigured the kernel without pcmcia... compiled and booted ok |
| 03:49:49 | Sebas | and did an interactive ./Configure on pcmcia-cs |
| 03:50:10 | Sebas | only change: the modules dir points to my buildroot-tux/root/lib/modules |
| 03:52:59 | BZFlag | Sebas: I have not tried that yet. You need a sa1100*.c from someplace. |
| 03:55:07 | Sebas | now... how come it compiled ok from buildroot the first time? I did a "make clean" on pcmcia-cs, and then a make all on buildroot after removing sbin/cardmgr... and now I get the same error |
| 04:06:26 | BZFlag | pcmcia-cs looks to see if the kernel services are turned on. |
| 04:06:35 | BZFlag | if they are then it only builds the utilities. |
| 04:07:04 | Sebas | so... I should 'yes' PCMCIA, but 'no' any of the kernel drivers for pcmcia devices? |
| 04:07:19 | Sebas | I want to compile the wvlan_cs driver, which doesn't seem to be included on the kernel |
| 04:07:52 | BZFlag | no. you should say yes to pcmcia and the drivers if you want the kernel ones, and no to pcmcia and cards plus fix the pcmcia-cs build inorder to use the pcmcia-cs modules. |
| 04:08:08 | BZFlag | good luck. |
| 04:08:27 | BZFlag | you might ask on familiar/ipaq/handhelds.org to see how they do it. |
| 04:08:31 | BZFlag | nite. |
| 04:08:35 | Sebas | thaks |
| 04:09:59 | Aelhaz | Sebas: fwiw, i have heard that you *must use kernel pcmcia in order to have functional pcmcia on strongarm |
| 04:10:14 | Aelhaz | so, why did you compile the kernel w/o pcmcia? |
| 04:10:30 | Sebas | 'cause the kernel doesn't seem to have the wvlan_cs driver |
| 04:10:35 | Sebas | and I want the wvlan_cs driver |
| 04:10:39 | Sebas | and it's not in the kernel |
| 04:10:54 | Sebas | and it's driving me mad not being able to network my tuxscreen :-) |
| 04:11:31 | Aelhaz | I've heard from some that orinoco_cs should support most of what wvlan_cs does |
| 04:11:36 | Aelhaz | but not tried it |
| 04:12:04 | Sebas | tried it, but got a buffer alignment error |
| 04:14:14 | Aelhaz | hmm |
| 04:14:26 | Aelhaz | what card? |
| 04:14:51 | Sebas | Linksys wireless... PrismII based |
| 04:16:08 | Sebas | I rebuild a fresh kernel and it's flashing now... I'll try orinoco again |
| 04:19:49 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 04:20:02 | Aelhaz | why not try wlan-ng? |
| 04:20:21 | Sebas | any pointers for info? |
| 04:21:17 | Sebas | Kernel Panic: bad buffer alignment |
| 04:21:18 | Sebas | :-( |
| 04:50:46 | Aelhaz | Sebas: linux-wlan.org iirc |
| 04:53:58 | Sebas | went there... downloaded... i380 / ppc / alpha... no arm :-( |
| 04:56:35 | Sebas | I'm going to bed... good night |
| 12:11:21 | bworth | hello all |
| 12:12:51 | mallum | hello mr bworth |
| 12:13:11 | bworth | hey mr mallum, what's up? |
| 12:14:22 | mallum | I got XRender working on my Laptop :) |
| 12:14:41 | mallum | Can compile/run new Xstroke + kiethp's demos etc |
| 12:15:04 | mallum | have xterm with lovely AA lucida console font - buetiful |
| 12:18:00 | bworth | COOL - xstroke is really coming along (and yes, aa fonts are beautiful) |
| 12:18:53 | bworth | cworth: g' morning |
| 12:18:56 | cworth | mallum: congrats |
| 12:19:45 | bworth | cworth: how's the rotation code sizing up? can't wait to try it |
| 12:22:30 | cworth | it's really close to ready. The rotation worked immediately, the trick has been getting feedback to the uiser that looks nice. I think I've got this figured out now. |
| 12:24:24 | mallum | cworth: cool |
| 12:24:59 | bworth | does it only handle full rotation, or can it handle skew? (characters are written on a horizontal baseline but vertical strokes are angled) |
| 12:43:19 | cworth | bworth: hmm... it does rotation only. I'll think a bit about skew. |
| 12:57:07 | pattieja | is back (gone 15:19:08) |
| 13:03:11 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:07:39 | Error403- | Does anyone know if there are any Tux Screens left? |
| 13:08:20 | prpplague | see the topic |
| 13:08:43 | Error403- | none recieved |
| 13:09:10 | prpplague | TimRiker says he has around 900 left |
| 13:09:23 | Error403- | wow |
| 13:09:25 | Error403- | :) |
| 13:09:36 | Error403- | Didn't sell many |
| 13:12:28 | prpplague | i think he's sold something like 200 or 300 |
| 13:32:51 | prpplague | morning folks |
| 13:39:09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Hi! How goes the omnimeter? |
| 13:39:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm getting ready to try and boot an fs using a pcmcia flash |
| 13:40:39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: cool - good luck! |
| 13:41:15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks, i'll need it |
| 13:49:42 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hi |
| 13:54:04 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: hello.... |
| 13:54:09 | CosmicPenguin | You guys see this: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/20/1946233&mode=nested |
| 13:54:49 | CosmicPenguin | Its a VNC based phone from AT&T.... |
| 13:54:55 | CosmicPenguin | Hah! |
| 13:55:10 | mallum | Yes I think thats been round for a while .... |
| 13:56:55 | CosmicPenguin | I should post some of the TuxScreen VNC screenshots.... maybe next week |
| 13:58:56 | Aelhaz | ip telephony is a sow's ear, tho |
| 13:59:30 | Aelhaz | your packets can and will be queued, and occasionally dropped, making IP an unacceptable transport for realtime voice communications |
| 13:59:51 | Aelhaz | the sooner the industry realizes that, the better |
| 14:00:08 | Aelhaz | (I'm embittered, I used to work at a Cisco IP-Phone beta site) |
| 14:00:32 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: The secret is of course in the switching / routing.... |
| 14:00:44 | prpplague | Aelhaz: we have the cisco 7960 phones and the cisco voip gateways, they suck |
| 14:00:48 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i aint doing the JVM |
| 14:00:54 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Well sure, if everybody obeys TOS bits and gives voice chatter top priority |
| 14:00:54 | CosmicPenguin | boris: No? |
| 14:00:55 | boris | i got persuaded otherwise |
| 14:01:07 | boris | CosmicPenguin: my mentor doesn';t think i can get a 1st class degree with that |
| 14:01:10 | Aelhaz | prpplague: You have the old white ones, or the new grey ones? |
| 14:01:14 | Aelhaz | we had the old white ones |
| 14:01:17 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: Everyone has that dream, but nobody can agree on what that means.... |
| 14:01:19 | Aelhaz | they sucked excrement through a straw |
| 14:01:19 | prpplague | Aelhaz: the new grey ones |
| 14:01:20 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i am going to work on a Code Refactory program |
| 14:01:31 | CosmicPenguin | <---- I used to work at Cabletron (now Enterasys) |
| 14:01:36 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Whats that? |
| 14:01:37 | boris | CosmicPenguin: to allow Refactoring of java code |
| 14:01:38 | prpplague | Aelhaz: we spent $250k on the system and it barely works |
| 14:01:43 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Ahh..... |
| 14:02:02 | Aelhaz | prpplague: and the fscking digital gateway card kept FALLING OUT of the fscking "call manager" |
| 14:02:06 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: There are two attitudes in the networking world - Cisco's and everybody elses..... |
| 14:02:24 | Aelhaz | just a Proliant server with a Cisco face plate, running NT, Apache-for-NT, and the call manager app |
| 14:02:25 | boris | CosmicPenguin: well it allows you to modify sections of a program - ie major changes in terms of structure and the Refactory rogram will make sure it gets done properly - ie so the semantics of the program dont change |
| 14:02:55 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Wow - I would assume theres a little fuzzy logic associated then? |
| 14:03:00 | Aelhaz | prpplague: I hear that BYU is "upgrading" to the cisco ip phone system, and installing an entire new switched network to carry it |
| 14:03:07 | boris | CosmicPenguin: eg. select a block of code hit a "Make Function" and the program makes sure return values, paramteres are correct, sorts out loval variables etc |
| 14:03:14 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya we're hoping to swap things out with a linux box in 6 months when the vovida stuffs gets a little better |
| 14:03:18 | boris | CosmicPenguin: rename of variables etc etc |
| 14:03:30 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Sounds good..... |
| 14:03:37 | boris | CosmicPenguin: changing the scope of a variables |
| 14:03:46 | Aelhaz | prpplague: we went through like four digital gateway cards. And at the time we were the only site in the world using them |
| 14:04:07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well my boot up failed, looks like have some config issues in my initrd |
| 14:04:11 | boris | CosmicPenguin: rebuilding classes to be more correct but retaining functionality that is identical to the previous program |
| 14:04:22 | Aelhaz | prpplague: Cisco ended up pulling the voicemail addon app at the time because two of their top techs had spent a week on the phone with us and it still didn't work |
| 14:04:36 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya we've had lots of problems, and when we call for tech support they say " your using what?" |
| 14:04:53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Wouldn't you have been scared if it worked first time? |
| 14:04:56 | boris | CosmicPenguin: i got told it is apparently a project he never thought *any* student would take up due to it's hardness |
| 14:05:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya maybe |
| 14:05:11 | Aelhaz | "I need a replacement DT24X" "A What?" |
| 14:05:15 | boris | but ho hum |
| 14:05:18 | boris | nevermind :) |
| 14:06:03 | prpplague | boris: sounds like a nice challenge to me |
| 14:06:19 | boris | prpplague: thats what i said |
| 14:06:37 | CosmicPenguin | boris: What language are you going to write it in? |
| 14:06:43 | boris | CosmicPenguin: Java |
| 14:07:22 | boris | CosmicPenguin: it would be hypocritical to write a Java code modification tool not in Java |
| 14:07:51 | Aelhaz | at the very least, ethernet is a pisspoor physical layer for real-time traffic of any kind, if you expect to share it with other traffic |
| 14:08:05 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Not really... Sometimes I massage C code with perl... better for the regexp stuff.... |
| 14:11:51 | prpplague | anyone had any experience with the "Arm Firmware Suite" partitioning for flash devices? |
| 14:14:02 | nam9 | anyone succeeded in writing blob using jtag ? |
| 14:14:25 | markl | i believe bzflag has done it |
| 14:14:46 | nam9 | I have problem with it. |
| 14:15:45 | Aelhaz | the old cisco phones were this white plastic thing with a 2x20 lcd character display on them, and they were a two-port switch, the entire concept was that you would plug your phone into your network jack, and your computer into your phone, and use all your existing networking |
| 14:16:58 | Aelhaz | but you couldn't use the network and talk at the same time. Accessing, say, an NT domain, would make the voice signal break up |
| 14:17:04 | Aelhaz | a lot |
| 14:18:05 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya we have alot of problems with echos,delays and jitter |
| 14:18:26 | nam9 | Is it possible that flash could be broken if I write flash with 12 V supplied. |
| 14:18:27 | nam9 | ? |
| 14:18:44 | Aelhaz | prpplague: you just need to replace all your switches with cisco layer 3 stuff and enable full QOS :) |
| 14:19:08 | prpplague | Aelhaz: we already have... |
| 14:19:27 | Aelhaz | prpplague: obviously you should have spent more money, replace them with more expensive models :) |
| 14:19:36 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:19:52 | nam9 | In the morning I succeeded in writing blob, but after that I couldn't rewrite it. |
| 14:20:09 | Aelhaz | nam9: did you unlock the flash? |
| 14:20:15 | nam9 | sure.. |
| 14:20:36 | nam9 | now my flash may have garbage.. |
| 14:21:32 | prpplague | brb |
| 14:22:05 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: any luck sorting out the Disctionary ? |
| 14:22:18 | mallum | s/Disctionary/Dictionary/ |
| 14:22:25 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: No... would you believe it? They actually expected me to do work yesterday..... |
| 14:22:35 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 14:23:20 | CosmicPenguin | So here I am fighting with this piece of junk MIPS device..... |
| 14:24:45 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: But I will get it this weekend. |
| 14:26:01 | Aelhaz | I used to admire MIPS a lot, but after working with some sa1110 i don't think it's so hot |
| 14:26:39 | Aelhaz | On the other hand, I've seen some choice pieces of the sa1110 datasheet, and several driver developers have vented their frustrations at me over it |
| 14:26:57 | Aelhaz | something about registers that don't get set when you set them, or that accidentally reset other registers, etc |
| 14:27:35 | Aelhaz | the sa1110 seems to have terriffic performance for the size, power, etc, but it's this tight little bundle of ugly workarounds |
| 14:27:44 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: A good chunk of the problem with MIPS is that it is literally 6 - 8 months behind the stable edge of the linlux planet |
| 14:27:44 | Aelhaz | tradeoff, I guess |
| 14:27:51 | CosmicPenguin | s/linlux/linux |
| 14:27:53 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: that's definately a problem |
| 14:28:20 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: The only stable kernel for this TX3192 is 2.3.99........ :) |
| 14:28:26 | Aelhaz | eu |
| 14:28:56 | Aelhaz | I did the testing for lineo's sdk for the IDT 79s334a cpu, which is an impressive little chip |
| 14:28:56 | CosmicPenguin | And because the hot platform is SA, everyone is working on that, and nobody is worrying about MIPS |
| 14:29:09 | Aelhaz | same physical size as an sa1110 |
| 14:29:18 | Aelhaz | integrated pci, io, etc |
| 14:29:22 | Aelhaz | only 50mhz tho |
| 14:29:43 | Aelhaz | oh, and it only has two interrupts, and only one is available to pci |
| 14:30:30 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, that's definately happening |
| 14:30:41 | Aelhaz | Same thing is happening to 32-bit sparc |
| 14:30:54 | Aelhaz | in 2.2 it was as stable or more stable than 64-bit |
| 14:30:56 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: Yep.... |
| 14:31:03 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: ok np - thanks |
| 14:31:08 | Aelhaz | in 2.4 you're lucky if it even compiles, and even if it does compile, you're lucky if it boots |
| 14:31:14 | Aelhaz | and if it boots, you're lucky if it doesn't crash |
| 14:31:59 | Aelhaz | I have a sparc 10 serving up web pages with a pair of 50mhz cpus and a half a gig of old fast page ram, and it will probably be the last sparc i own |
| 14:32:22 | mallum | Aelhaz: I have one of them too ! |
| 14:32:29 | mallum | Aelhaz: got it given to me |
| 14:32:40 | Aelhaz | mallum: I had to pay usd$10 for mine :) |
| 14:32:55 | mallum | Aelhaz: installed Linux on it but it went like even more of a dog |
| 14:33:05 | mallum | Aelhaz: so I put solaris back on. |
| 14:33:21 | Aelhaz | mallum: they make lousy xterminals w/ linux |
| 14:33:31 | Aelhaz | X is far faster on them w/ solaris or *bsd |
| 14:33:38 | Aelhaz | mine is running headless |
| 14:33:49 | mallum | Aelhaz: I think the Linux disk drivers are crap for em |
| 14:33:51 | Aelhaz | co-located about a half hour from work |
| 14:33:57 | Aelhaz | mallum: could be |
| 14:34:16 | Aelhaz | mallum: XSun still sucks, tho |
| 14:34:16 | mallum | Aelhaz: I couldn't get netBSD to install as the floppy drive is flakey |
| 14:34:36 | mallum | Aelhaz: I had to make about 5 debian boot disks till I could get one to boot |
| 14:34:37 | Aelhaz | mallum: Ah, well, it's a sparc, the one good thing about them is OpenBoot |
| 14:34:46 | Aelhaz | eschew disks completely |
| 14:34:48 | Aelhaz | netboot it |
| 14:35:05 | mallum | Aelhaz: When I originally got it , it had nextstep on it which was pretty cool, as I'd never seen nextstep before |
| 14:35:05 | boris | w000h000 |
| 14:35:06 | Aelhaz | it sounds tricky, but it's soo easy compared to fiddling around with floppies |
| 14:35:10 | boris | my domains are working |
| 14:35:27 | boris | www.darkrock.net www.sekrit.org.uk www.uberleet.net and www.chris-ross.net |
| 14:35:32 | boris | hnow |
| 14:35:40 | CosmicPenguin | boris: they were down? |
| 14:35:43 | Aelhaz | if you've got dhcpd and tftpd you're all set to boot a sparcstation off of your network |
| 14:35:45 | CosmicPenguin | boris: nimba? |
| 14:35:47 | mallum | Aelhaz: hmmm netbooting a netBSD install ? is that possible ? |
| 14:35:51 | Aelhaz | Anyway, I've gotta get to work |
| 14:35:53 | boris | all i have to do put some ocntnent there |
| 14:35:53 | Aelhaz | mallum: Should be |
| 14:35:55 | boris | CosmicPenguin: nah |
| 14:36:04 | mallum | Aelhaz: ok thx, I'll look into it |
| 14:36:13 | boris | CosmicPenguin: changed the primary and secondary nameservers on all of them |
| 14:36:21 | CosmicPenguin | boris: Lots if ISP were shutting down port 80 here in the States because of nimba.... |
| 14:36:35 | boris | CosmicPenguin: and registered sekrit.org.uk |
| 14:37:49 | prpplague | ok folks, anyone got time to explain some things to a newbie? |
| 14:39:13 | prpplague | what is occuring here: |
| 14:39:16 | prpplague | static void __init |
| 14:39:16 | prpplague | fixup_omnimeter(struct machine_desc *desc, struct param_struct *params, |
| 14:39:16 | prpplague | char **cmdline, struct meminfo *mi) |
| 14:39:16 | prpplague | { |
| 14:39:16 | prpplague | SET_BANK( 0, 0xc0000000, 16*1024*1024 ); |
| 14:39:16 | prpplague | mi->nr_banks = 1; |
| 14:39:17 | mallum | What do you wanna know ? |
| 14:39:18 | prpplague | ROOT_DEV = MKDEV(RAMDISK_MAJOR,0); |
| 14:39:20 | prpplague | setup_ramdisk( 1, 0, 0, 8192 ); |
| 14:39:22 | prpplague | setup_initrd( __phys_to_virt(0xd0000000), 0x00400000 ); |
| 14:39:24 | prpplague | } |
| 14:39:36 | mallum | hides |
| 14:39:39 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:39:51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Ok, you're seting up a 16MB bank of memory at 0xC0000000 |
| 14:40:01 | prpplague | ok |
| 14:40:07 | prpplague | i see that |
| 14:40:09 | CosmicPenguin | Then you are making a 8MB ramdisk... |
| 14:40:17 | mallum | this is kernel code right ? |
| 14:40:25 | prpplague | mallum: yes |
| 14:40:33 | CosmicPenguin | Then it looks like you are setting up a initrd at 0xd0000000..... |
| 14:40:35 | mallum | hides even more |
| 14:40:39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so the ramdisk is hard coded here? |
| 14:41:04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Well, you're creating it here, and making the appropriate device.... |
| 14:41:24 | CosmicPenguin | Which can then be mouted later for your ramdisk using pleasure.... |
| 14:42:33 | CosmicPenguin | s/mouted/mounted/ |
| 14:43:22 | prpplague | ok so what about the initrd, what is the __phys_to_virt doing? |
| 14:43:55 | CosmicPenguin | taking the physical address and mapping it to virtual space so you can use it.... |
| 14:44:33 | prpplague | ok so what is the address 0x00400000, a flash memory location or ram? |
| 14:46:08 | CosmicPenguin | Its the size of your initrd..... 4MB |
| 14:46:15 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:47:19 | prpplague | hmm, so i guess my problems is how to get the initrd to right location... |
| 14:48:47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the bootloader would normally move the initrd to a memory location before executing the kernel right? |
| 14:50:23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Usually..... |
| 14:51:30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so how would you handle it if it doesn't? after the initial decompression of the kernel, add a fix_up function to take care of the initrd mov? |
| 14:51:53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Where does your initrd live? |
| 14:53:22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: currently i'm locating it in flash, and begins at 0x04020040 |
| 14:53:33 | CosmicPenguin | [OT] - Anyone know how to force Emacs to show the current file being edited in the window title? |
| 14:54:18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry, i'm a mcedit loser |
| 14:54:22 | prpplague | |
| 14:54:41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Ok, so in your situation, I would allocate a chunk of memory at the end of your |
| 14:55:01 | CosmicPenguin | bank, and copy the initrd there. |
| 14:55:24 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, when I say allocate, I mean in your head.. don't acually allocate memory.... |
| 14:55:45 | prpplague | understood |
| 14:56:20 | prpplague | i wonder if this has been done with other platforms before |
| 14:57:32 | prpplague | hmm, looks like something similiar has been done with L7200 |
| 15:02:07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I dunno... most of the time, I have dealt with initrds that are linked together with the kernel.... |
| 15:04:02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, can you explain that statement |
| 15:04:36 | CosmicPenguin | On some of the arches, the link script is built in such a way that the initrd is linked directly |
| 15:05:08 | CosmicPenguin | into the kernel image. |
| 15:05:55 | prpplague | so you would have final zImage file that would include both the initrd and the kernel? |
| 15:12:17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: In that case it probably wouldn't be a zImage.... |
| 15:12:37 | CosmicPenguin | Usually, in that case it would just be a binary image.... vmlinux.bin... :) |
| 15:13:00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok that makes sense now |
| 15:13:29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i found some docs on initrd, i'll do some reading |
| 15:16:36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Look at arch/arm/boot/bootp.... |
| 15:16:57 | CosmicPenguin | That will build a binary image with the initrd linked in..... |
| 15:18:45 | boris | what file system do we use on the tux screens? |
| 15:18:57 | boris | j2ffs? |
| 15:19:09 | CosmicPenguin | Or jffs2.... :) |
| 15:20:25 | boris | ok bbl |
| 15:22:14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks, looking at it now |
| 16:55:40 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: looks like I'll add the bootp option to udhcpc/udhcpd |
| 17:00:27 | AlHazWork | bootp in what sense? |
| 17:01:20 | Russ|werk | like siaddr (next server), sname (server name), file (boot file) |
| 17:01:35 | Russ|werk | options that are static parts of the bootp header and not dhcp options |
| 17:11:33 | BZFlag | nice. |
| 17:11:49 | BZFlag | maybe it should be upump then? ;-) |
| 17:16:55 | prpplague | BZFlag: feeling better today? going to get some units shipped? |
| 17:30:30 | pattieja | is away: clients |
| 17:33:58 | BZFlag | prpplague: yep. dropped off all the oders as of 10pm last night. |
| 17:34:19 | Russ|werk | I'm not familiar with pump |
| 17:34:23 | BZFlag | I think there are 2 or 3 so far this morning that will go out with tomorrows. all the others have shipped. |
| 17:34:45 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: it's a RH thing. both a dhcp and bootp client. |
| 17:36:47 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: it's like a 50k binary though. |
| 17:36:49 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: It works suprisingly well IMHO |
| 17:37:21 | BZFlag | is glad to get rid of those oders ;( s/oders/orders/ |
| 17:49:36 | mallum | The London LUG wanted me to demo a tuxscreen at there meet tommrow |
| 17:49:43 | mallum | but I cant make it :( |
| 17:49:51 | mallum | but I said I'll do the next one |
| 17:52:31 | as2 | LUG? |
| 17:52:53 | as2 | L? User group? |
| 17:53:39 | Russ|werk | linux |
| 17:54:30 | as2 | Ahh. |
| 17:58:47 | mallum | yep |
| 18:11:47 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: What were you going to show them>? |
| 18:24:18 | as2 | I suspect its the 'linux on a phone' vibe. |
| 18:24:43 | Russ|werk | that aqua theme |
| 18:25:11 | Russ|werk | tim... |
| 18:25:13 | Russ|werk | The authenticity of host 'opensource.lineo.com (204.246.147.130)' can't be established. |
| 18:25:50 | Russ|werk | and it forgot my host key |
| 18:29:59 | BZFlag | Russ: huh? were you using oss.lineo.com (alias) before? |
| 18:30:36 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: it works from here still. |
| 18:30:59 | Russ|werk | maybe my ssh got upgraded |
| 18:32:07 | Russ|werk | oops |
| 18:32:10 | Russ|werk | I'm root |
| 18:32:23 | BZFlag | you have russ@timmy as a authorised_keys, you had it in identity.pub too, I just nuked that one. |
| 18:33:14 | BZFlag | heh. I run ssh-add before "sudo bash" and then I can still ssh as root into places using timr's key. |
| 18:33:15 | Russ|werk | ack |
| 18:33:28 | Russ|werk | it was just that I was root |
| 18:34:19 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 18:36:46 | Russ|werk | ok, bootp option support for server in cvs |
| 18:39:34 | Russ|werk | hey ray |
| 18:39:54 | raybass | hiya russ |
| 18:40:04 | raybass | just woke up |
| 18:40:37 | | i think paper is about randr, and the implications of Render/FB and RandR taken together. |
| 18:40:37 | Russ|werk | paper? |
| 18:40:48 | | Sorry, Russ|werk, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 18:40:48 | Russ|werk | ibot: shutup |
| 18:41:37 | dec | paper? |
| 18:41:47 | raybass | no paper. :( |
| 18:41:54 | dec | beer? |
| 18:42:02 | | no idea, russ|werk |
| 18:42:02 | Russ|werk | ibot: beer? |
| 18:42:02 | dec | YES |
| 18:42:03 | raybass | I even bought two dr peppers last night so I could write it. I didn't even drink them |
| 18:42:18 | Russ|werk | can I have them? |
| 18:42:21 | raybass | no |
| 18:43:00 | raybass | I'm going to spend about an hour studing for my physics test @2:40, and paper is gonna have to be this weekend |
| 18:43:05 | | OK, dec. |
| 18:43:05 | dec | ibot, beer is fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt and hops |
| 18:43:09 | dec | beer? |
| 18:43:25 | cory | iboot, beer? |
| 18:43:26 | dec | nah, it needs to be asked. |
| 18:43:30 | cory | iboot, beer? |
| 18:43:33 | | hmmm... beer is fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt and hops |
| 18:43:33 | cory | ibot, beer? |
| 18:43:36 | cory | hehe. |
| 18:43:43 | cory | sorry |
| 18:43:53 | cory | I got an ibook so I am used to typing the "iboo" part |
| 18:44:25 | dec | cory, are you happy with it? I want one! How much is it? |
| 18:44:57 | cory | I like the ibook |
| 18:45:03 | cory | I plan to install linux this weekend |
| 18:45:07 | cory | mine was $1500. |
| 18:45:12 | cory | it's the dvd one |
| 18:45:32 | cory | but I also got airport and an extra 128mb ram. |
| 18:45:39 | cory | that's not part of the standard $1500 |
| 18:45:42 | cory | I got a special deal |
| 18:45:49 | cory | (bought it from my boss) |
| 18:45:55 | dec | i see. |
| 18:46:14 | cory | the standard dvd one is $1500 |
| 18:46:34 | dec | if you'd visit an Apple exhibition, you can get one with discount for 1000 USD I think. |
| 18:46:44 | cory | an extra 256mb is $60 not from apple, and aiport is $100 extra |
| 18:47:19 | dec | g3-400MHz? |
| 18:47:42 | dec | I think I'll wait g5. |
| 18:48:00 | cory | g3-500 |
| 18:48:10 | cory | portable g4's are expensive |
| 18:48:14 | cory | and I am sure g5's will be too |
| 18:48:25 | cory | portable g4's will become cheaper when g5's come out though I am sure |
| 18:49:26 | dec | coworker says ibook is the best machine he's ever had. thinks its better than g5. |
| 18:49:28 | dec | g4. |
| 18:50:41 | cory | heh |
| 18:50:45 | cory | it's the best machine I've ever had. |
| 18:50:54 | cory | but it's also my first real notebook |
| 18:51:25 | cory | I have a tandy 3800HD notebook (486 25, 4mb ram) and a compaq armada (p120, 48mb ram, 1gb disk, broken display) |
| 18:51:58 | cory | and comparable to my current computer (dual celeron 366, 512 mb ram, 20gb hd) |
| 18:56:54 | AlHazWork | I like the specs on the g4 portables |
| 18:57:03 | AlHazWork | but, I can't stand greaspads as pointing devices |
| 18:57:09 | cory | hehe |
| 18:57:11 | AlHazWork | and the thought of only one mouse button isn't a happy one |
| 18:57:45 | AlHazWork | I use a 4-button trackball on my linux boxes, still haven't found a use for button #4, to tell the truth, but I use the other three . . |
| 19:00:06 | Russ|werk | AlHazWork: chaingun |
| 19:00:40 | AlHazWork | Russ: yeah, that should work . . |
| 19:03:08 | Ottavio84 | Hi |
| 19:03:14 | Ottavio84 | i added my page to wiki |
| 19:10:41 | zachh | Hey guys, could I run another StrongARM boot loader other than blob on the tuxscreen, or will I run into problems? |
| 19:11:07 | CosmicPenguin | zachh: What were you thinking of trying? |
| 19:11:42 | zachh | CRL/OHH Bootldr v2.15.6 |
| 19:11:48 | zachh | from familiar |
| 19:12:10 | Russ|werk | isn't bootldr for sa1110? |
| 19:12:29 | zachh | for an ipaq |
| 19:12:30 | Russ|werk | or does it have sa1100 support as well |
| 19:12:38 | zachh | is that sa1110? |
| 19:13:00 | Russ|werk | zachh: is what? |
| 19:13:16 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I dunno, i used on an assabet once... is that SA1100 or SA1110? |
| 19:13:24 | zachh | is the ipaq SA1110? |
| 19:13:25 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: bootp paramater support for client in CVS, give it a try |
| 19:13:31 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: assabet is sa1110 |
| 19:13:36 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh..... |
| 19:13:46 | Russ|werk | zachh: think so |
| 19:14:03 | Russ|werk | zachh: also, you'd have to add the tuxscreen arch number to bootldr |
| 19:14:18 | zachh | yea... |
| 19:14:40 | zachh | not really worth the trouble, we have a nicely working bootldr |
| 19:15:11 | Russ|werk | well, there is a lot of work going into blob right now, to make it a sutible replacement for bootldr |
| 19:15:32 | Russ|werk | (netboot, tftp, paramater block, bootldr partition table, etc) |
| 19:15:53 | zachh | yea, it suits my need right now i guess |
| 19:16:47 | zachh | what is the size limit for an rootfs imgage? |
| 19:16:48 | zachh | image |
| 19:17:08 | zachh | i cant load a sizeable image into flash |
| 19:18:00 | Ottavio84 | and what about redboot? |
| 19:19:29 | Russ|werk | the flash is 4M total |
| 19:19:54 | zachh | ahh, ok |
| 19:20:13 | zachh | that sucks |
| 19:24:15 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, he really hated 4M, huh? |
| 19:25:04 | Russ|werk | maybe someone could have said it takes CF cards |
| 19:25:13 | Russ|werk | 4M is quite a bit when you are talking about a phone |
| 19:25:31 | Russ|werk | wonders where BZFlag went |
| 20:01:16 | prpplague | andersee: you alive? |
| 20:01:53 | CosmicPenguin | network is really unstable lately, eh? |
| 20:02:46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i wonder what's being going on, lilo general keeps things running pretty smooth |
| 20:03:23 | CosmicPenguin | Nimba? |
| 20:03:56 | prpplague | ya must be |
| 20:04:41 | CosmicPenguin | Where did they get that name, anyway |
| 20:04:50 | andersee | prpplague: yup... |
| 20:05:27 | CosmicPenguin | Reminds me of a simpsons episode.... |
| 20:06:08 | prpplague | andersee: i'm working on this sa-1100 platform for which the bootloader doesn't handle the loading of a initrd, how would you handle getting a initrd image into ram? |
| 20:06:11 | Russ|werk | its nimda, and its admin backwards |
| 20:06:58 | andersee | prpplague: I'd probably start by fixing the bootloader... |
| 20:07:02 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:07:15 | prpplague | blob? |
| 20:08:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the initd.o route didn't work for you? |
| 20:08:38 | andersee | I think blob is a nice choice. |
| 20:08:40 | CosmicPenguin | Or rather, the initrd.o.... |
| 20:08:41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm still reading |
| 20:09:11 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, I see.... Russ and andersee are smarter at this then I am anyway.... :) |
| 20:29:50 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I was going to show them a shell prompt ;) |
| 20:30:27 | CosmicPenguin | Hey, tux poping up in the corner is good enough for geeks like me.... |
| 20:30:30 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 20:30:30 | CosmicPenguin | ibot:wb |
| 20:30:36 | | i guess beer is fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt and hops |
| 20:30:36 | CosmicPenguin | ibot:beer |
| 20:30:41 | CosmicPenguin | Hehehe...... |
| 20:30:43 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:34:10 | mallum | Its my gf's b'day this weekend so I am banned from computers after this evening |
| 20:34:16 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: hectic day at work is all. might test tonight. |
| 20:34:20 | mallum | till monday |
| 20:34:41 | Russ|werk | how did that ibot <reply> thing go? |
| 20:34:45 | BZFlag | ipaq is sa1110, tux is sa1100, the two are similar, so blob and/or bootldr should be able to handle both. |
| 20:35:00 | Russ|werk | they need different memsetup code |
| 20:35:10 | BZFlag | I think bootldr does support some sa1100 platforms now, blob may support the iPAQ soon. |
| 20:35:34 | prpplague | mallum: buy her a tattoo of a keyboard, that way you won't be lonely |
| 20:35:42 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: true, but the arch handling should cover that, no? |
| 20:35:58 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: its different code |
| 20:36:10 | BZFlag | I'm not saying it's there now, just that it could be added fairly easily. |
| 20:36:22 | Russ|werk | right |
| 20:36:32 | mallum | prpplague: ;) |
| 20:43:53 | prpplague | thats fun... |
| 20:44:45 | Russ|werk | whee |
| 20:50:19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: would i use a command like this to create a binary that included the kernel and the initrd image - #ld -o kernel linux.o initrd.o |
| 20:51:53 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: What was the path/filename for the backlight stuff we were discussing?? |
| 20:54:03 | CosmicPenguin | drivers/char/ucb1200_ts.c |
| 20:54:35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yeah, see arch/arm/boot/bootp/bootp.lds |
| 20:54:44 | prpplague | andersee: man there seems to have been some intense discussion of initrd-tftp stuff |
| 20:55:13 | andersee | prpplague: where? |
| 20:55:49 | prpplague | andersee: the linux-kernel mailing list |
| 20:56:52 | andersee | Hmm. havn't read it yet today... |
| 20:58:17 | prpplague | andersee: this is old, back in jan 2000 |
| 20:58:36 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, the days before MTD.... :) |
| 20:58:43 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Hmm. So not in drivers/video/sa1100_frontlight.c? |
| 20:59:04 | CosmicPenguin | Nope...... Do you have Russ's patch applied |
| 20:59:07 | andersee | prpplague: Oh. I recall that discussion. I think ac and I argued a bit. |
| 20:59:18 | prpplague | andersee: ya thats the one |
| 20:59:28 | andersee | I thought I did... Checking. |
| 21:03:51 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Could you email me that patch? |
| 21:05:22 | BZFlag | someone should upload that patch someplace. ;-) |
| 21:06:23 | CosmicPenguin | I'll get it here shortly andersee.... |
| 21:07:22 | CosmicPenguin | I'm a tad busy |
| 21:07:49 | andersee | k |
| 21:11:22 | Russ|werk | like....on my page, yah, the first thing I do this weekend will be release a patch against the latest kernel along with the ts patch |
| 21:14:10 | andersee | Russ|werk: could you re-send that backlight blanking patch to me? I lost it in the process of giving my laptop back to Lineo it seems... |
| 21:14:33 | Russ|werk | I'm at work |
| 21:14:41 | Russ|werk | don't have it with me |
| 21:15:05 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Ok, ok..... :0 |
| 21:16:11 | CosmicPenguin | incomfing |
| 21:16:39 | andersee | is supposed to join a conference call in about 12 min -- working on the phone till then... :) |
| 21:19:53 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: thx. |
| 21:20:35 | prpplague | ok guys, so i can use the #make bootpImage , or use mknbi-linux to create a network bootable style image which includes the zImage and the initrd image right? |
| 21:27:56 | CosmicPenguin | I believe so... anyone smarter want to chime in on that? |
| 21:28:59 | prpplague | i think andersee is on a call |
| 21:36:18 | BZFlag | andersee: heh, just got your email. like my auto-reply? ;-) I checked my attachments folder and have the doc. thanx! |
| 21:37:08 | BZFlag | prpplague: never tried that one... It looks possible. |
| 21:39:56 | prpplague | BZFlag: which one have you not tried? |
| 21:42:28 | BZFlag | prpplague: bootp kernel files built from the kernel make. |
| 21:43:20 | prpplague | BZFlag: ok, i'm going to do so more reading, after i figure this out, i'm going to write a howto |
| 21:43:29 | BZFlag | nice. |
| 21:44:36 | lchvdlch | OT-question: How can I interface a 5v bus with 3.3v devices? |
| 21:46:12 | Russ|werk | with the proper tolerant logic |
| 21:47:25 | lchvdlch | Russ|werk: can a cmos (3.3v powered) resist a TTL-5v input? |
| 21:48:02 | Russ|werk | depends on the logic |
| 21:48:23 | CosmicPenguin | Resistance is futile....... |
| 21:48:34 | CosmicPenguin | (Sorry for the lame joke, but hey, its Miller time....) |
| 21:52:34 | lchvdlch | Russ|werk: please, can you be a little more specific? (sorry about my bad english) |
| 21:52:55 | Russ|werk | lchvdlch: check you data sheet |
| 21:53:48 | lchvdlch | Russ|werk: well, 3.3v "device" (DIMM), explains max absolute Vdd of 4.6, but "recommended" is 3.3v |
| 21:54:36 | Russ|werk | ok, "absolute max" means anymore, and you'll break it |
| 21:55:19 | Russ|werk | so if absolute max is 4.6V, its not 5V tolerant |
| 21:55:51 | lchvdlch | yes, I know, that's why I'm asking for some "interface" |
| 21:56:39 | lchvdlch | I was wondering about to put three diodes to get 1.8v decrease, but don't know how it will affect speed |
| 21:57:39 | Russ|werk | you want buffers that are 5V tolerant |
| 21:59:39 | lchvdlch | I would prefer something like transceiver (74XX245), 3.3v powered and "un-burn-able" with direct TTL 5v input |
| 22:00:34 | Russ|werk | a 245 is a buffer |
| 22:02:06 | lchvdlch | ok (I know it as "octal transceiver"), a CMOS gate can accept Vdd+1.8v on its input? |
| 22:05:39 | Russ|werk | different logic accepts different levels |
| 22:05:44 | Russ|werk | take a look at LVC and AHC |
| 22:06:03 | Russ|werk | "cmos" is a general term |
| 22:08:29 | lchvdlch | Russ|werk: can you point me to some site? (or may I use google?) |
| 22:09:11 | Russ|werk | google for 74AHC245 or 74LVC245 |
| 22:09:24 | Russ|werk | philips has good data sheets |
| 22:09:44 | lchvdlch | ohh.. those are from 74 family.. :o) |
| 22:10:04 | Russ|werk | umm....right, thats not important though |
| 22:10:19 | Russ|werk | if you are using DRAm, you want to watch your timings |
| 22:10:23 | Russ|werk | er, DRAM |
| 22:10:46 | Russ|werk | I don't know of to many 5V devices that are set up to do refreshes on today's DRAM |
| 22:10:57 | Sebas | good evening all |
| 22:11:45 | Russ|werk | evenin` |
| 22:12:09 | lchvdlch | hi |
| 22:13:23 | lchvdlch | Russ|werk: TI site says "LV-A devices (LV00A, LV02A, ...) have improved operating characterisitics and new features such as 5-V tolerance" |
| 22:13:53 | Russ|werk | I'm not familiar with LV-A logic |
| 22:16:34 | Russ|werk | http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/datasheets/74AHC_AHCT245_2.pdf |
| 22:19:40 | CosmicPenguin | There is a "linux files" download at www.castlewolfenstein.com... I pray that they are not toying with us.... |
| 22:23:06 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:23:22 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 22:24:00 | lchvdlch | Russ|werk: DIMM PC100/PC133 are safe running at 10MHz? |
| 22:25:35 | BZFlag | cya |
| 22:32:23 | Russ|werk | lchvdlch: no |
| 22:32:28 | Russ|werk | lchvdlch: they are dynamic |
| 22:32:37 | Russ|werk | lchvdlch: they need to be refresed |
| 22:32:42 | Russ|werk | er, refreshed |
| 22:32:49 | Russ|werk | (most likely no) |
| 22:32:55 | Russ|werk | study your timings |
| 22:33:31 | Russ|werk | in a 10MHz design, you probably want SRAM |
| 22:35:11 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 22:44:13 | lchvdlch | Russ|werk: thanks so much... I've found what I've looking for... :o) |
| 22:44:32 | Russ|werk | weird |
| 22:45:40 | Russ|werk | cool, just got back the third prototype from the boardhouse for the third time |
| 22:45:48 | Russ|werk | and they actually didn't fuck it up this time |
| 22:46:45 | prpplague | Russ|werk: build a new system? |
| 22:47:19 | Russ|werk | yah, I've had it for a while, but waiting on populating the third one |
| 22:47:32 | Russ|werk | but when I did send it in, I got it back with chips missing/backwards |
| 22:48:12 | Russ|werk | so I sent it back, and when it came back to me, it wasn't working, discovered some solder bridges after many hours, sent it back again |
| 22:48:37 | prpplague | bummer |
| 22:48:53 | Russ|werk | now I have three working ones though |
| 22:49:05 | Russ|werk | one for a debian nfsroot system, one for devel, and one for demo |
| 22:49:16 | prpplague | sa based? |
| 22:49:20 | mallum | Russ|werk: whats it for ? |
| 22:49:47 | Russ|werk | sa1100 internet firewall |
| 22:50:10 | Russ|werk | I initially designed a high speed periphreal board for a lart (two cs8900a's) |
| 22:50:26 | Russ|werk | but then it turned out the lart flash simply wasn't available |
| 22:50:37 | prpplague | Russ: that was my next question - lart related design? |
| 22:50:40 | Russ|werk | so I had to design a sa1100 board with the same high speed connector as the lart |
| 22:51:17 | Russ|werk | ends up being very similar to the lart, except its all surface mount, it has TSOP flash, and no low speed connectors |
| 22:51:45 | mallum | Russ|werk: is this a work project ? |
| 22:51:50 | Russ|werk | yup |
| 22:53:11 | mallum | cool |
| 22:53:13 | prpplague | Russ: man you guys are my heros |
| 22:53:26 | mallum | hi Aelhaz |
| 22:53:27 | Russ|werk | did it with gschem and pcb |
| 22:53:33 | Aelhaz | hi mallum |
| 22:55:57 | prpplague | Russ|werk: how long have you been working with embedded systems like the sa? |
| 22:56:45 | Russ|werk | I produced the boards from zero sa experince in about 4 months |
| 22:57:02 | prpplague | wow |
| 22:57:17 | Russ|werk | like I said, originally, it was only a project to create a perephrial board for the lart, and use the existing lart design |
| 22:58:11 | Russ|werk | anyway, /me goes home |
| 22:58:25 | prpplague | its taken me two year years to learn what i needed to build this - http://www.linuxdevices.com/products/PD4854992533.html |
| 23:00:32 | mallum | prpplague: cool |
| 23:01:19 | prpplague | mallum: thanks |
| 23:01:55 | mallum | prpplague: did you build it for bussiness or pleasure ? |
| 23:03:35 | prpplague | mallum: both, my company gives me projects, and i learn (the pleasure part) what i need to complete the project |
| 23:04:47 | prpplague | mallum: my two current projects are a unix friendly print server, and portable inventory device |
| 23:05:12 | mallum | prpplague: portable inventory device ? |
| 23:05:53 | prpplague | mallum: a device with a barcode scanner, touch screen, and 802.11b |
| 23:06:54 | mallum | prpplague: nice |
| 23:07:12 | mallum | prpplague: sa based ? |
| 23:07:31 | Aelhaz | So, how much does this thing *cost? |
| 23:07:54 | prpplague | mallum: ya i'm wanting to use this - http://www.inhandelectronics.com/html/elf.html |
| 23:08:00 | Aelhaz | I mean, the man who concieved of PC/104 did so with the dream of "low cost" modular computers |
| 23:08:19 | Aelhaz | leaving me wondering who they would be low cost for, certianly not for the people buying them |
| 23:08:30 | prpplague | Aelhaz: you mean the tcsx-1? we are retailing them for $400 |
| 23:08:50 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 23:09:39 | prpplague | Aelhaz: ya not exactly cheap on the pc side, but we sell tons because people don't want to pay $850 for a wyse terminal |
| 23:11:43 | prpplague | Aelhaz: as our volume increases we expect to get the costs down to $225 |
| 23:13:41 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 23:14:17 | Aelhaz | Axis says their system-on-chip kit will be $80 or something, that doesn't have video or keyboard or anything of that ilk, tho |
| 23:14:32 | Aelhaz | still, I'm in wait-and-see mode on that one. It would be a keen little board to work with |
| 23:14:43 | Aelhaz | integrated scsi, ethernet, etc |
| 23:14:52 | Aelhaz | Anyway, I'm off to get some indian food, bbl |
| 23:15:13 | prpplague | enjoy some curry |
| 23:16:55 | prpplague | and i'm headed home, after a fruitless day, maybe i'll make some progress tomorrow |
| 23:17:05 | prpplague | night all |