| 00:00:06 | prpplague | got a questions folks, what are you guys using as the machine type when compiling a new kernel? |
| 00:05:19 | Aelhaz | hmm, it should have it's own archetecture number |
| 00:05:39 | Aelhaz | I've never configured the kernel myself |
| 00:05:57 | Aelhaz | it's armv4l if that's what you're asking |
| 00:06:43 | prpplague | Aelhaz: thanks anyway, i found a diff on the tuxscreen web site that answered my questions |
| 00:06:53 | Aelhaz | oh, yeah, that was going to be my next question |
| 00:07:44 | prpplague | Aelhaz: i'm not working on the tuxscreen yet, but i'm working on another sa-1100 board and figured i could learn from how you guys have attacked the support issue |
| 00:07:49 | Russ | oops |
| 00:07:51 | Russ | negative ping |
| 00:07:53 | Russ | waits for xchat to punt him |
| 00:10:25 | BZFlag | prpplague: we started with another arch number till we got basic support working. Then I followed the kernel docs on registering a new arch number. |
| 00:11:46 | BZFlag | any ?s for me? |
| 00:12:26 | BZFlag | no progress on ts issues or dsp support that I am aware of. The buildroot system is reported working by quite a few people. |
| 00:12:47 | Russ | my bad |
| 00:12:48 | BZFlag | lot's of phones left, and all the other usual comments. |
| 00:12:59 | Russ | variety of personal problems over the last couple of weeks |
| 00:13:15 | prpplague | BZFlag: thanks for the info, the board i'm working is already registered ( ELF Board from InHand), but no real work has been done on its support |
| 00:13:18 | BZFlag | Russ: ? which? I have no expectations, but I do welcome time when you have it to give! |
| 00:13:35 | Russ | I know, I just enjoy working on the stuff |
| 00:13:36 | BZFlag | prpplague: got jtag? got a bootloader working? |
| 00:14:12 | BZFlag | Russ: yes, as do I. ;-) I'd rather be coding than shipping phones... ;=/ |
| 00:14:18 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya its got its own bootloader and i'm able to boot a kernel, however i've not built a fs yet |
| 00:14:26 | Russ | hire a trained monkey |
| 00:14:31 | Russ | heh |
| 00:14:59 | BZFlag | it's own bootloader? why not use one that is already out there? probably smaller, and more advanced. (not to mention free) |
| 00:15:13 | prpplague | BZFlag: well you'll be shipping one more, i'm sending in an order tomorrow |
| 00:15:20 | Russ | BZFlag: because...maybe he doesn't want to break it yet? |
| 00:15:41 | Russ | arghh...and I *still* have a lingering fever from everything thats been going on |
| 00:15:52 | BZFlag | Russ: my wife promised to do a lot of it, but as she's expecting in december, she's becoming less and less helpful. ;-) Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for whatever help she can give. |
| 00:16:10 | Russ | you ass, making a pregnant woman pack tuxscreens (j/k) |
| 00:16:23 | prpplague | BZFlag: ya, i'll probably get another bootloader working on the unit later, but i've not had any problems as far as that is concerned |
| 00:16:38 | prpplague | BZFlag: its very similiar to zboot that is used on the yopy |
| 00:16:40 | BZFlag | Russ: hey, at least I'm not making the 2 year old do it. |
| 00:17:34 | BZFlag | prpplague: ah. familiar with that one too. a port? or stated over? I have done a little work on getting blob onto a yopy. I wish I had a jtag interface to my units here. |
| 00:17:37 | Russ | naw, two year olds love hard labor |
| 00:17:56 | Russ | just get them some prison camp action figures to emulate |
| 00:18:09 | prpplague | BZFlag: its a totaly independent build, but very similiar in form |
| 00:18:15 | BZFlag | yes, but my 2 year old keeps sliming the screens, and popping the bubbles on the keyboard bags. |
| 00:19:16 | BZFlag | prpplague: would not your support/coding time have been/be better spent contributing to an existing project? |
| 00:19:51 | BZFlag | ask your self "why is it that we want Linux on this device". Now apply that to your bootloader. |
| 00:20:04 | prpplague | BZFlag: sorry for the mis-understanding, i didn't code the bootloader, i'm just using it because it was already there |
| 00:20:25 | BZFlag | I figured, just pass my comments upstream. ;-) |
| 00:20:49 | Aelhaz | Russ: A friend of mine has kids who watch a lot of anime . . . . and recently tried the "What would (random child anime hero) do if their father asked them to clean their room?" line . . . . and it worked |
| 00:20:53 | Aelhaz | it was spooky |
| 00:20:55 | prpplague | BZFlag: my intention was latter down the road to get blob or bootldr running on the unit |
| 00:21:33 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'm really new to the sa development scene so i'm taking it one step at a time |
| 00:22:07 | BZFlag | prpplague: nice. bootloader has licensing "issues" a mix of GPLed and non GPLed code that is most likely illegal in the US. That may get fixed at some point. Buyer beware. |
| 00:22:42 | BZFlag | prpplague: the tux buildroot should work for you assuming you have mtd and jffs2 support in your kernel. |
| 00:23:24 | BZFlag | just flash your kernel and the tux filesystem. you may have to change the jffs2 block size if your's is not 128k |
| 00:23:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: thanks i'll have a look |
| 00:24:13 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'm coming from the x86 side, this has been my last project - http://www.linuxdevices.com/products/PD4854992533.html |
| 00:24:57 | satai | hello. |
| 00:25:05 | prpplague | howdy |
| 00:27:24 | BZFlag | prpplague: nice looking box. you even kept the ide/floppy headers. cool. price? |
| 00:28:06 | prpplague | BZFlag: suggested retail $425 with 16meg ram, and 16meg Disk-On-Module |
| 00:28:51 | prpplague | BZFlag: next version will be 3/4" taller with dual pcmcia |
| 00:29:19 | Aelhaz | DOM gets a lot of press but I don't understand why it's more common than CF slots tied directly to ATA |
| 00:29:28 | BZFlag | wishes x86 boards would just use linear flash. |
| 00:29:35 | Aelhaz | commodity CF cards have *got to be cheaper, even if the CF slot is more expensive |
| 00:29:51 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: there is that |
| 00:30:03 | jcwren | Ever looked at the programming module for DOM? Nasty. |
| 00:30:08 | prpplague | Aelhaz: our costs on a 16 DOM is $28 |
| 00:30:35 | prpplague | jcwren: ?? no programming nessary, works just like an ide device |
| 00:31:01 | jcwren | Perhaps I am confusing DOM with Disk-On-Chip. |
| 00:31:15 | Aelhaz | prpplague: I can buy a 64 meg CF card for $2 more than that |
| 00:31:15 | BZFlag | 16M cf is like $13 in volume. |
| 00:31:17 | prpplague | jcwren: now Disk-on-chip is nasty |
| 00:31:41 | Aelhaz | disk on chip is just evil |
| 00:31:46 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:31:51 | jcwren | Yes, Disk-On-Chip is nasty. BTW, we're paying $14 for 32MB CF cards, and $1.62 for CF slots with no ejector lever. |
| 00:32:07 | prpplague | jcwren: wow, i need to know your source |
| 00:32:43 | jcwren | I can look it up in the next day or two. We found some guy around here who imports them from Taiwan or something like that. |
| 00:32:46 | BZFlag | jcwren: yes. I have a box here with both DOC and DOM options. DOC is much slower. Both are now supported with open source linux driver. DOM is easier as it's just ide, but DOC is MTD and so with a bit more work can be jffs2 |
| 00:33:25 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I imagine there's some management-enforced logic that people may want to run dos-alike operating systems on x86 embedded boards, and thus they want an ATA interface for software that was designed 20 years ago |
| 00:33:37 | jcwren | The issue with CF cards is the amount of cache. Typical CF cards have 1K cache (on a 32MB card, dunno about the larger ones). We had some lower cost cards with 0K cache, and the performance absolutely sucked. The 2K cache cards are rare, but they were running about $2 more. |
| 00:33:39 | BZFlag | prpplague: so the CF card would be cheaper and allow up to 1G capacities. |
| 00:34:47 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: DOC, DOM and CF are all ide as far as dos in concerned. |
| 00:35:09 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Yeah, but linear flash would be a bit more of a stretch |
| 00:35:17 | jcwren | Question for you folks. Had any TuxScreens die? One of mine started rebooting every few minutes, and about 30 minutes ago just totally gave up. The POTS interface still works, but the CPU seems dead. Haven't taken it apart, or swapped power supplies, but something has gone fubar. |
| 00:35:24 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: ah. true. |
| 00:36:01 | prpplague | BZFlag: the next revision of the unit with the dual pcmcia i could just use on of the slots for a CF card instead |
| 00:36:01 | Aelhaz | jcwren: yes, my $30 64-meg hitachi CF card has just a 1k buffer |
| 00:36:05 | jcwren | DOC is not IDE, unless you have a driver, in which case it looks like mass storage to DOS, not inherently IDE. |
| 00:36:28 | jcwren | At least, that's my experience with it. |
| 00:36:40 | BZFlag | jcwren: one reported DOA, replaced IO board and it's fine. Another report of a phone that locks up often, unresolved at this point. That's all at present from almost 200 sales. |
| 00:37:24 | BZFlag | jcwren: you'll notice I said from DOS, hence using the built in bios interface. |
| 00:37:30 | Aelhaz | jcwren: the phone that I've worked with so far, used to reset a lot when handling pcmcia cards, but dropped that habit |
| 00:37:30 | jcwren | Hrm. I suppose it's typicaly behavior for the thing to wake either every 10 minutes or every 30 minutes, then turn the backlight off after the standard delay? |
| 00:37:59 | prpplague | BZFlag: where did you learn all of you sa experience? |
| 00:38:11 | BZFlag | jcwren: I've seen that behavior when there was IR traffic around. |
| 00:38:41 | BZFlag | works at Lineo and has been a Linux hacker since kernel 0.94 |
| 00:39:05 | prpplague | BZFlag: ahh, a real guru |
| 00:39:23 | Guru | ;-) |
| 00:39:29 | prpplague | lol |
| 00:39:38 | jcwren | While I haven't bothered to lock it down to every 10 or 30 minutes, it's *always* the number of minutes after powering up. I.e, I powered it up at x:04, and everytime I saw it happen, it was always a 4 in the minutes section. |
| 00:40:42 | Guru | jcwren: that is odd. I have not messed with the timer setting in Inferno. I don't even recall if you can set alarms. poke around and look for something like that. |
| 00:41:23 | Guru | I have a box at home that has been hooked up for over a month and it always sits with the screen off till I touch the display or the phone rings etc. |
| 00:41:50 | jcwren | If I managed to do that, I don't know how. There are three IR sources in this room. The TV remote, the keyboard for the TS, and my laptop. And it's got the IR port disabled because of IRQ resource limits. But perhaps I'll put a piece of tape over it as a test. Assuming I can get it working... |
| 00:41:50 | Aelhaz | my tuxscreen has uptime in days and weeks, generally, tho i don't use it much at this point |
| 00:42:10 | Guru | Aelhaz: but your's is Linux now right? |
| 00:42:22 | jcwren | I'm still at the "new toy syndrome" stage, where I'm using it was it was intended. |
| 00:42:27 | Russ | it wouldn't surpise me if its responding t othe TV remote |
| 00:42:28 | Aelhaz | Guru: heh, 'course it is |
| 00:42:31 | Guru | My Linux box does not stay up much cause I keep reflashing it. ;-) |
| 00:42:38 | Russ | but it won't see your laptop |
| 00:42:39 | Aelhaz | Guru: you installed itinitially, remember? |
| 00:42:54 | Aelhaz | I need to fix the sodimm slot in the other and get it unlocked & blob'd |
| 00:43:25 | Guru | Aelhaz: yep. I recall. I'll be presenting at http://plug.org/ tomorrow and installing/unlocking more phones there. |
| 00:44:02 | Guru | Aelhaz: just unlock and then hotglue in the sodimm. ;-) |
| 00:44:04 | zachh | anybody here get familiar running? |
| 00:44:20 | Guru | zachh: I have had, but I'm using debian arm at present. |
| 00:44:42 | Guru | I had to change /dev/ts to the ucb1200 version was all. |
| 00:44:44 | zachh | Guru: did you download the image or compile it |
| 00:45:13 | Guru | familiar? I downloaded it and unpacked on a CF card. |
| 00:45:21 | zachh | ahh |
| 00:45:32 | Guru | just for kicks I did a reiserfs on a 64M CF. |
| 00:45:33 | Aelhaz | Guru: Maybe I'll tag along. I'm sortof, morbidly curious, about what sort of LUG provo would end up with |
| 00:45:44 | zachh | how would you go about booting from the cf |
| 00:45:49 | Aelhaz | I remember fondly investigating the utah valley os/2 user's group, and then backing away slowly |
| 00:45:52 | Aelhaz | :) |
| 00:46:09 | Guru | heh, there is talk about renaming it to PLUG Linux User's Group and dropping the Provo. ;-) |
| 00:46:19 | Aelhaz | zachh: boot from flash, mount the card, and pivot_root |
| 00:46:50 | Guru | zachh: see the PivotRoot wiki page or the /linuxrc in the buildroot tree. |
| 00:47:06 | zachh | ahh, thanks |
| 00:47:44 | Guru | it runs "cardmgr -o" to setup the cards, then mount, pivot_root, exec /linuxrc on the new fs, etc. |
| 00:47:49 | prpplague | Guru: i guess i'm going to have to add this channel to my list of hang outs |
| 00:48:12 | prpplague | Guru: i hope you guys aren't too hard on the newbie guestions |
| 00:48:20 | Guru | I just nuked a bunch of channels today cause of the M$ virus causining my net connect to suck. |
| 00:48:57 | Guru | prpplague: this is about the norm, if people are listening. Sometime the lights are on but nobody's home. |
| 00:49:46 | TimRiker | has to keep chanserv from expiring nicks sometime... ;-) |
| 00:49:58 | TimRiker | er nickserv, but you knew that. |
| 00:50:07 | zachh | Guru: Thanks, how hard was it to get debian running |
| 00:50:44 | prpplague | TimRiker: well i'll be sending in an order tomorrow for a tuxscreen, looks like a great unit to learn and develop on |
| 00:50:56 | TimRiker | fairly easy. I'm sticking to potato so far. untar the base_22.tgz, remove unconfigured.sh and set all the stuff up my hand. |
| 00:51:17 | zachh | nice... |
| 00:51:18 | Russ | thats what I did at work |
| 00:51:22 | zachh | gonna try that later |
| 00:51:24 | Russ | then dist-upgraded to sid |
| 00:51:29 | zachh | its going to be a long night..... |
| 00:51:29 | TimRiker | prpplague: that's my goal. to get em far and wide to potential embedded linux developers that could not afford the other options. |
| 00:51:39 | Russ | it was a little messy |
| 00:52:02 | jcwren | Hrm, I just had a theory to test. I noticed the battery low message coming up a few days ago. Wonder if the 10 minute thingy is how often it checks the batteries. Of course, I have no batteries handy, so I have to wait for some to recharge... |
| 00:52:12 | TimRiker | Russ: are you running sid now? I never made it. dependancy issues all over the place. tried twice and reverted both times. |
| 00:52:46 | TimRiker | jcwren: hmmm... can't recall if my Inferno box has batteries in it now or not. |
| 00:53:14 | TimRiker | jcwren: there should have been batteries in the box though. |
| 00:53:25 | jcwren | things Infernal might be a better name, at the moment. |
| 00:53:43 | TimRiker | what "Hell" is not good enough for you? ;-) |
| 00:53:56 | zachh | TimRiker: On Pivot Root, does the script listed go on the cf or on the flash |
| 00:53:59 | jcwren | Yea, those are the ones that are in there. I left the unit unplugged a day or two before I got enough sockets cleared on the power strip. Stupid wall-warts. Oughta be a law... |
| 00:54:37 | TimRiker | zachh: in the flash. the one on the cf can just be "exec /sbin/init" if you like. both need to be +x |
| 00:55:22 | zachh | ahhh ok, sorry I havent done anything like this before... |
| 00:55:43 | TimRiker | jcwren: I hear that. Someone tried to convince me to plug in 1000 phones and use em to do rc5. I started to think about how many power strips that would take.... |
| 00:56:04 | TimRiker | zachh: no prob. |
| 00:56:30 | jcwren | I prefer the way most laptop power supplies do it. 6' power cord from the brick to the laptop, 3' cord from the wall to the brick. That I can live with. |
| 00:56:46 | jcwren | Wonder what the key rate would be like on RC5. Or seti@home... |
| 00:56:58 | TimRiker | even 1' from brick to wall would be nice. |
| 00:57:45 | TimRiker | yeah, that would help, 1000 1' extension cords.... =) |
| 00:58:01 | jcwren | Your office would be toasty-warm... |
| 00:58:32 | TimRiker | heh, true. though the sa puts out less heat than most. but then add power supplies etc. |
| 01:00:45 | jcwren | We're using a 386EX/25 in a current embedded Linux product. When I built the first prototype, it was using the LIAB (Linux In A Box) board from Denmark. That part is a 5V part, and the power supply is poorly designed. That stupid thing runs so hot you could bake cookies on it. The 3.3V production version runs so cool that in a warm room, you can't tell if it's powered or not. |
| 01:02:14 | prpplague | jcwren: the stpc client i'm using in the tcsx-1 runs quite warm( not hot) as well, i really want to get away from x86 processor due to power and heat concerns |
| 01:03:22 | jcwren | Yea, and dealing with Intel is a major pain the rear, too. While the power doesn't concern me much, the lack of horsepower does. Intel has a 33Mhz version, but only at 5V (25Mhz at 3.3V). I'm considering the SA cores because of the performance. The low power is a bonus. |
| 01:05:22 | TimRiker | jcwren: easiest to create a link to the not there node on another page and then clock on it. |
| 01:06:26 | jcwren | I took the liberty of adding some instructions to the UsersWebHome page on how to add one self. It's not very apparent to someone who isn't a wiki-master. |
| 01:11:15 | TimRiker | you should add "Please set a title on all the pages you create" ;-) |
| 01:13:36 | TimRiker | added a comment to that effect and added a "Summary" line to SpencerUtley |
| 01:14:35 | jcwren | Is good. Back in a while, time to take care of the pets. |
| 01:20:55 | prpplague | i'm out here too, time to go home |
| 01:27:46 | TimRiker | nite |
| 02:43:51 | lfj | |
| 03:17:31 | lfj | Is it this quiet or is my irc broken? |
| 04:40:32 | ronin | Anybody home? |
| 04:40:38 | GoRK | yo |
| 04:40:53 | ronin | Having troubles with this badboy. |
| 04:41:15 | ronin | I fucked up when unlocking the flash |
| 04:41:26 | ronin | and now it's just a black, semi-lit screen |
| 04:41:30 | GoRK | did you touch the 12v on backwards or something? |
| 04:41:52 | ronin | nah, I spaced and tried to overwrite the shit on the actual tuxscreen |
| 04:42:01 | ronin | totally spaced on getting infernoremote up |
| 04:42:23 | GoRK | well did you get your flash unlocked or not? |
| 04:42:32 | ronin | Hell if I know, hard to tell with a black screen |
| 04:43:35 | ronin | I was just wondering if anybody has run into the same problem. |
| 04:43:40 | BZFlag | did you do a P/m after and see all 0s? |
| 04:43:41 | GoRK | ok well, take out the batteries in the phone and pull the power cord for a few seconds and then plug it back in and see if the philips logo comes up |
| 04:46:24 | ronin | nope |
| 04:47:18 | GoRK | hmm. did you have inferno remote working? |
| 04:47:53 | GoRK | before this problem, that is... |
| 04:48:51 | ronin | no, that's the thing I totally spaced on it. |
| 04:49:23 | GoRK | oh dear. were you working from the sboot console? (the blue screen with the white letters)? |
| 04:49:36 | ronin | yeah |
| 04:49:38 | ronin | twas no good. |
| 04:50:33 | GoRK | ok well i think it is possible (BZ may know for sure) to flash unlock from the console (besides the difficulty of actually using the phone while accessing the underside) |
| 04:50:44 | GoRK | did you issue a c command and try to flash something? |
| 04:51:09 | GoRK | or did you just try to do the P/m, P/u 0, P/m commands? |
| 04:51:15 | ronin | just the P/m |
| 04:51:16 | ronin | etc |
| 04:51:50 | GoRK | when did the screen go black? |
| 04:53:57 | ronin | soon as I hit enter for P/u 0 |
| 04:54:24 | GoRK | and you had 12V connected to the pads at this point? |
| 04:54:35 | ronin | yep |
| 04:57:19 | BZFlag | it is possible to do the P/u 0 at the console. it should not go blank. |
| 04:57:35 | BZFlag | did you try a P/m first? with 12v power connected? |
| 04:58:01 | BZFlag | unlocks a couple more phones to ship tomorrow.... |
| 04:59:59 | ronin | yeah. |
| 05:00:16 | GoRK | well... the long and short of is that if the phone is recoverable it seems at this point that you'll have to use JTAG to do it, but it is also possible if you got those leads backwards or touched the wrong pads that things are totally borked |
| 05:00:22 | ronin | More than likely. |
| 05:00:41 | ronin | Don't think that I switched the pads however. |
| 05:01:13 | GoRK | did you solder on wires or what? |
| 05:01:28 | ronin | It still does it's little red light blip on startup, which it didn't do earlier |
| 05:01:48 | GoRK | i have a briked phone that does that. i think that is just a power thing |
| 05:01:52 | ronin | ah. |
| 05:01:53 | GoRK | birked=bricked |
| 05:02:12 | ronin | Well, hopefully this'll be recoverable by jtag |
| 05:04:58 | GoRK-tux | hahahahaha wh00t |
| 05:05:17 | BZFlag | sup? you ircing from the tux? |
| 05:06:02 | GoRK-tux | yeah just thought i'd go for it. i'm just telneted to my pc then ssh'd out and not running anything natively |
| 05:06:28 | BZFlag | cool anyway. ;-) |
| 05:06:37 | GoRK-tux | the author of picogui emailed me this evening. he's going to try to work out the sprite issues with the cursor |
| 05:06:55 | BZFlag | have him order a phone. ;-) |
| 05:07:10 | GoRK-tux | he was tempted in his email. i told him to |
| 05:08:01 | BZFlag | cool. a nice platform to "demo his wares" ;-) |
| 05:08:05 | GoRK-tux | are we using the arm in big endian mode on this thing? i never even thought to look at that kind of stuff |
| 05:08:42 | GoRK-tux | if so, that is probably the deal. picogui was written for the uCsimm and thus had a lot of handwritten x86 asm in it at one point |
| 05:09:59 | GoRK-tux | maybe i should also work on getting this terminal to use the full screen properly |
| 05:10:17 | BZFlag | hmmm.. don't recall. I think it is little endian though. |
| 05:10:37 | BZFlag | try "reset" ? |
| 05:10:48 | BZFlag | as in the command |
| 05:10:56 | RobFlynn | What's a good NIC to use w/ the TS? |
| 05:11:11 | RobFlynn | I was looking through my box-o-hardware and dont have one, so im gonna try to find one. |
| 05:11:36 | BZFlag | I have a few Kingston cio10t CF ethernet cards with pcmcia carriers for $30. they work. see the PCMCIA wiki page for more info. |
| 05:11:51 | RobFlynn | Cool. |
| 05:12:00 | RobFlynn | can't wait for the sound stuff to work. |
| 05:12:09 | RobFlynn | has some super cool and fun ideas that he can't wait to implement. :-D |
| 05:13:30 | BZFlag | 2 unlocked ones headed to the netherlands tomorrow. |
| 05:14:01 | BZFlag | GoRK: not /dev/pts ? |
| 05:14:18 | GoRK | eh? oh my /msg? |
| 05:14:36 | BZFlag | yeah |
| 05:16:53 | GoRK | no /dev/ttypX major 3, minor 0-15 and /dev/ptypX major 2, minor 0-15 |
| 05:17:30 | GoRK | for launching up terminals in the window manager |
| 05:19:50 | BZFlag | looks into hacking up devices.txt |
| 05:19:57 | GoRK | i can give you the lines |
| 05:20:14 | BZFlag | for devices.txt? |
| 05:20:17 | BZFlag | sure |
| 05:20:39 | GoRK | yeah |
| 05:20:45 | GoRK | hang on lemme find what im using |
| 05:21:43 | GoRK | /boot/var/dev/ttyp c 640 0 0 3 0 0 |
| 05:21:44 | GoRK | 1 8 |
| 05:21:46 | GoRK | err |
| 05:21:49 | GoRK | that's all one line |
| 05:22:09 | BZFlag | what does 16 instead of 8 do? |
| 05:22:25 | GoRK | should make 0-f |
| 05:22:33 | GoRK | but i dont know |
| 05:22:34 | BZFlag | ahh, goes to 10, 11, etc. |
| 05:22:37 | GoRK | potential bug |
| 05:22:47 | GoRK | what if you put f instead of 16 |
| 05:23:07 | BZFlag | well, at least something it does not handle at present. I could add each one as a single line. |
| 05:23:44 | GoRK | who is going to fire up that many sessions to the tux? it'd kill it :) |
| 05:23:46 | BZFlag | f = just one. |
| 05:24:25 | BZFlag | wellm 0-9 work so I'm adding that much to cvs |
| 05:24:43 | GoRK | it can be changed after andersee fixes mkfs.jffs2 to deal with those #'s properly - in hex |
| 05:24:47 | GoRK | :) |
| 05:26:19 | BZFlag | added. |
| 05:27:02 | GoRK | sweet!!! |
| 05:33:08 | Russ | arghh, still can't seem to get my fever quite down |
| 05:33:23 | Russ | all the way at least |
| 05:35:35 | RobFlynn | Russ: Eric Warmenhoven wants to talk to you, if you have a moment. |
| 05:36:00 | RobFlynn | Russ: his name on here is: warmenhoven if you want to msg him. |
| 05:36:05 | RobFlynn | Russ: Btw, I hope you feel better soon. |
| 05:36:41 | Russ | so do I, because I can't code with a fever |
| 05:37:05 | RobFlynn | Yeah, I know how that goes. One of our employees has been out for a couple days with a fever and cold-ish symptoms. |
| 05:37:11 | RobFlynn | Must be something going around? |
| 05:37:24 | Russ | maybe, but it was largely stress induced |
| 05:37:43 | RobFlynn | Russ: Ahh, that sucks. What got ya stressed? |
| 05:37:53 | RobFlynn | I get like that, too. Sucks. I let myself worry about things too much |
| 05:38:00 | Russ | being hung out to dry for a week and a holf |
| 05:40:49 | RobFlynn | Ahh, thats no fun. |
| 05:41:07 | RobFlynn | I havent even gotten to play w/ my tuxscreen yet. =( |
| 06:27:53 | BZFlag | hacks another ipaq for plug tomorrow |
| 06:44:17 | GoRK | plug is a LUG? |
| 07:25:08 | BZFlag | yes. http://plug.org/ |
| 09:25:49 | GoRK | woot exclusive fb access (no console blanking) and backlight, contrast, brightness support are now in picogui! |
| 09:26:00 | GoRK | svaha! |
| 09:26:53 | ctr | hmmm |
| 09:27:03 | ctr | how easy is picogui to setup? |
| 09:34:43 | finalfantasydog | very |
| 09:36:07 | ctr | cool |
| 09:36:15 | ctr | will have to try it when i get my tuxscreen |
| 11:18:00 | bock | hi all :-) |
| 11:19:10 | bock | just a dump question (could not find it on tuxscreen.net): can I add more momoery to a tuxscreen phone? |
| 11:19:25 | ctr | believe so yes |
| 11:19:31 | ctr | upto 40Mb in totalk |
| 11:30:24 | bock | this sounds very fine |
| 11:30:42 | bock | ctr: do you have one? |
| 11:33:35 | ctr | not yet |
| 11:33:39 | ctr | it's on it's way though |
| 11:34:18 | travis_143cw | when are these things going to come preloaded with some linux on it? :P I dont have time to load |
| 11:34:31 | travis_143cw | i have no time for anything but work..... :-( |
| 11:35:23 | ctr | well |
| 11:35:38 | ctr | i am sure if you ask bzflag nicely, and pay him some $$'s he will do it for you |
| 11:36:01 | travis_143cw | probably... :P, i will ask him, i have known him for quite some time now, so we will se |
| 11:36:02 | travis_143cw | e |
| 11:36:19 | bock | i would like to get one, but shipping to germany is about $75 ... |
| 11:37:04 | ctr | yeah |
| 11:37:10 | ctr | shipping to the uk is $50 |
| 11:37:57 | bock | and than there are the taxes/customs :-( |
| 11:39:13 | ctr | yep |
| 11:41:37 | ctr | but the overall cost is still a hell of alot cheaper than i could build system like this mysefl |
| 11:43:37 | bock | that's true. Going to get a PayPal account |
| 11:43:50 | ctr | :) |
| 12:41:06 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:41:24 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 13:34:50 | kram | has returned. |
| 13:35:01 | kram | is away - really not here, not autoaway'd - Your msgs will be saved. |
| 13:40:55 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:43:20 | CosmicPenguin | morning prpplauge.... |
| 13:43:45 | ctr | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 13:43:54 | ctr | i hate you :) |
| 13:44:09 | ctr | if you hadn;'t emailed the list i wouldn;'t have found out about these tuxphones |
| 13:44:18 | ctr | and i wouldn't be sitting here itching for mine to turn up |
| 13:56:50 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: But think of the happiness when it actually shows up..... |
| 13:57:30 | ctr | heh |
| 13:57:33 | ctr | we shall see |
| 13:58:08 | CosmicPenguin | When you are surfing the web, reading email and playing solitare as you talk to your mom on the phone, it will be all worth it..... :) |
| 13:58:11 | nelson | ctr: you will be happy, *trust me* |
| 14:00:30 | ctr | hehehe |
| 14:01:38 | ctr | w000h0000 |
| 14:01:43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i'll be heading down to the post office at lunch to send off my order |
| 14:01:44 | ctr | > I have no objection to you changing project: but we do have to clarify |
| 14:01:44 | ctr | > and agree on what you change it to. We can only sort this out in a |
| 14:01:44 | ctr | > meeting. I will be available Friday this week but it can wait to start |
| 14:01:44 | ctr | > of term if you prefer. |
| 14:03:02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Good deal.... I think you'll be happy with it |
| 14:03:31 | ctr | CosmicPenguin, looks like i could be writing a JVM for embedded devices |
| 14:07:32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that is if i get time to play with it, i got handed about 6 projects this morning, all of which are loads of fun |
| 14:09:20 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: A JVM is a great idea.... If you need help writing Microwindows AWT modules, give me a ring..... |
| 14:09:27 | ctr | sure |
| 14:09:47 | ctr | well i dont know what i need to do |
| 14:09:55 | ctr | but as soon as my lecturer says ok |
| 14:10:01 | ctr | i will go ape shit researching it all |
| 14:10:06 | CosmicPenguin | Ack - My headphones just exploded... |
| 14:10:39 | ctr | ook |
| 14:45:53 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hi |
| 14:46:03 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: hi back at ya... |
| 14:46:39 | mallum | heh |
| 14:52:49 | smigs | Is there anything I can do with a Tuxcreen if I do not have a 256k/sec RaDSL line? |
| 14:53:49 | Aelhaz | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 14:54:03 | Aelhaz | it's a computer, right, in a small package, with a phone attached |
| 14:54:23 | Aelhaz | what can you do with a computer if you do not have a 256k/sec RaDSL line? |
| 14:55:28 | CosmicPenguin | Not that anyone is knocking a 256k/sec RaDSL line, of course..... |
| 14:55:39 | Aelhaz | limitations are the 640x480 screen, 40 megs of ram maximum, and 4 megs of on-board flash, but you can add more storage via pcmcia |
| 14:56:07 | Aelhaz | I like my 678k ADSL, so I could knock 256k, but, I won't |
| 14:56:21 | Aelhaz | hmm, he wimped out. |
| 14:56:25 | Aelhaz | well, I'm goin to work. |
| 16:03:35 | prpplague | is away: lunch |
| 16:09:39 | AlHazWork | bmidgley: hey, what was the final verdict on that dlink card? |
| 16:09:54 | AlHazWork | I ask because I often get the "MII missing" message with the trendnet nic, but it works anyway |
| 16:10:22 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Same here..... |
| 16:23:48 | ctr | anyone got any unicode experience? |
| 16:40:27 | bmidgley | i just updated wiki. |
| 16:41:13 | bmidgley | AlHazWork: what version of pcmcia-cs are we using? we need something newer than august if it's been released |
| 16:42:04 | bmidgley | http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=bff1c3146ae4e8b7&seekm=yK5b7.4948%24P15.53190%40typhoon.sonic.net&frame=off |
| 16:42:50 | bmidgley | AlHazWork: if you don't get tx timed out messages i guess you're ok |
| 16:44:36 | BZFlag | bmidgley: pcmcia-cs-3.1.29 is in the build-root tree but it's set to use kernel modules at present. |
| 16:44:56 | ctr | BZFlag, managed to ship that stuff to me yet? |
| 16:45:40 | BZFlag | is braindead. |
| 16:45:43 | BZFlag | which stuff? |
| 16:46:31 | ctr | tuxscreen + nic |
| 16:47:23 | BZFlag | orders go out like the day after I get them, I'd have to look up the exact date, but next day is the norm |
| 16:47:24 | bmidgley | BZFlag: is pcmcia-cs pcnet.o sitting in a tarball somewhere that i can try? |
| 16:47:33 | ctr | BZFlag, k |
| 16:47:55 | BZFlag | bmidgley: pcnet_cs.o from the kernel in compiled in at present. |
| 16:48:13 | bmidgley | oh |
| 16:48:18 | ctr | BZFlag, tis one for the uk :) |
| 16:48:29 | BZFlag | pcmcia-cs does not support the sa11* card manager does it? |
| 16:48:51 | bmidgley | dunno. |
| 16:48:57 | BZFlag | ctr: yeah I've sent quite a few out to the UK over the last few days. |
| 16:49:03 | bmidgley | i will try to dig up patches for the kernel module. |
| 16:49:04 | ctr | BZFlag, cool :) |
| 16:49:12 | ctr | BZFlag, just itching to get my hands on it :) |
| 16:49:22 | BZFlag | bmidgley: that might be nice, to get more drivers working. |
| 16:49:53 | bmidgley | it may have been fixed so it would be a backport |
| 16:50:12 | BZFlag | I'd like to see someone (Russ?) get the read-from-jffs2 patch into blob, then I'll switch the build tree to all modules and make the kernel much smaller. |
| 16:51:04 | BZFlag | have to run to work.. bbiaw |
| 16:51:53 | bmidgley | does anyone know if irc chat is logged/searchable? |
| 16:53:24 | CosmicPenguin | bmidgley: doubtful..... |
| 16:53:56 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure that ibot is set up for it, but I wonder if anyone bothered to set it up for #tuxscreen |
| 16:54:28 | CosmicPenguin | specifically, I mean.... :) |
| 17:31:06 | bmidgley | CosmicPenguin: thx |
| 17:39:05 | prpplague | is back (gone 01:35:29) |
| 17:50:37 | cory | chick in my engl class yesterday said she really likes my ibook2 |
| 17:59:03 | bmidgley | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/ has stuff that tuxscreen.net/downloads/ is missing |
| 17:59:31 | bmidgley | rmk2, np1 patches (found 'em) |
| 18:10:33 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Any reason why those arn't in the tuxscreen download (other than than that it would break andersee's script... :) ) |
| 18:12:13 | AlHazWork | There was a dotcom that wanted to be an "irc search engine" but the implementation went over like a lead balloon |
| 18:12:37 | AlHazWork | their concept was to get people to use their client, or their web based irc client, which would then spawn spybots |
| 18:12:49 | AlHazWork | that would go into random channels and record whatever was happening |
| 18:12:56 | AlHazWork | you can imagine how welcome the spybots were |
| 18:15:30 | bmidgley | i can't see loggin irc everywhere (that's the fbi's job) but searching tech talk would be useful. |
| 18:16:08 | bmidgley | i put the dlink patch in wiki topic MII |
| 18:17:11 | AlHazWork | initially they'd tried using centralized spybots, but they were quickly klined |
| 18:17:47 | AlHazWork | lotta load on a server when a single host joins every channel |
| 18:20:58 | bmidgley | does anyone have a working ethernet that i can borrow while i try to get the dlink working? (i'll be at plug tonight) |
| 18:21:20 | AlHazWork | bmidgley: Yeah, I could probably loan you my trendware nic |
| 18:21:27 | bmidgley | cool |
| 18:22:09 | AlHazWork | since i only have one phone up, and it's in a room that's never going to be faster than 10mbps, and it's got an lp-e in it |
| 18:22:37 | bmidgley | cat3 wiring? |
| 18:23:02 | AlHazWork | not even cat3 for some of it :) |
| 18:23:40 | bmidgley | i'm working on finishing my basement but i keep thinking of more cables i need to pull :) |
| 18:23:44 | AlHazWork | I live in a 4plex that was built in the early 70's, they used some uncategorized but occasioanlly twisted three pair wire for the telephone wiring |
| 18:23:52 | AlHazWork | I hijacked two pairs and put rj45's on 'em |
| 18:23:56 | AlHazWork | surprisingly enough it works |
| 18:24:00 | bmidgley | hehe |
| 18:24:02 | AlHazWork | but there's no way it'll work at 100mbps |
| 18:24:08 | bmidgley | yeah |
| 18:27:02 | bmidgley | back to work |
| 18:27:27 | bmidgley | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:47:22 | prpplague | ahh, there is nothing like geek humor - http://segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ba7eadc-03cdf340 |
| 18:49:23 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: no good reason, just that Russ wanted to post on his site, and nobody copied them over. |
| 19:04:25 | zachh | I bought the Hawking 652TX |
| 19:04:44 | zachh | and it is recongnized and all is well until i ifconfig it and I get MII is missing |
| 19:05:31 | zachh | i saw the new wiki page and am wondering how to go about implementing this patch |
| 19:06:33 | AlHazWork | zachh: See, I get the MII not found message with the trendware nic, and it still works |
| 19:08:46 | ronin | is away: Working like a mofro. |
| 19:08:49 | zachh | hmmm |
| 19:09:05 | zachh | after pinging another machine, i get network unreachable |
| 19:09:48 | zachh | or did i overlook a configuration step |
| 19:10:41 | AlHazWork | possibly |
| 19:10:44 | AlHazWork | what's ifconfig say? |
| 19:10:56 | AlHazWork | or it could be the same issue as the dlink |
| 19:11:05 | zachh | i just did: 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.15' |
| 19:11:10 | zachh | i am on a private network |
| 19:14:50 | AlHazWork | oh, try "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.15 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 up" |
| 19:15:04 | zachh | well now that makes more sence |
| 19:15:17 | zachh | duh |
| 19:15:19 | AlHazWork | but only because I'm a stickler for specifying what should be implied |
| 19:15:32 | zachh | but i didnt bring it up |
| 19:15:38 | AlHazWork | doesn't trust programs to understand what's implied |
| 19:15:42 | AlHazWork | yeah, that could be it |
| 19:15:44 | zachh | heh |
| 19:16:15 | zachh | well i'll be back only have 1 cable right now |
| 19:44:48 | zachh | AlHazWork: Well the ol' Hawkings came through.... |
| 19:45:04 | zachh | it reported itself as an Asix so it must just be a Trend clone |
| 19:45:18 | zachh | but it works well |
| 19:45:47 | AlHazWork | Cool |
| 19:45:57 | AlHazWork | add it to the list on the pcmcia wiki |
| 19:46:00 | zachh | yep |
| 20:35:16 | AlHazWork | hm, PLUG is within walking distance of my place this time |
| 21:18:40 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Does bmidgley's fix help with the MII problem? |
| 21:18:47 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: No idea |
| 21:19:07 | AlHazWork | i think it's supposed to, but I haven't tried it |
| 21:21:08 | pattieja | is away: bible study |
| 21:42:42 | CosmicPenguin | Quick vote: favorite POP3/IMAP library |
| 21:42:48 | CosmicPenguin | Any opinions? |
| 21:43:37 | AlHazWork | library, like for client use? |
| 21:43:42 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 21:43:46 | AlHazWork | not a clue, sorry |
| 21:44:18 | CosmicPenguin | I like the University of Washington one (the one they use for Pine), but I'm worried that its too big |
| 22:42:51 | CosmicPenguin | Off to watch Simpsons / hack on the tuxscreen |
| 22:43:50 | BZFlag | heh. plug tonight... |
| 22:50:54 | AlHazWork | bz: plug is two blocks from home for me, so I'll just walk there |
| 23:01:18 | prpplague | any of you strongarm gurus alive? |