| 00:18:16 | BZFlag | GoRK: tried acetone, and in many cases it just smeared the text and made ugly splotches. scraping seems to work better for me. Yes, Philips required it. |
| 00:18:56 | BZFlag | I imagine that acetone after scraping would clean the surface up. |
| 00:22:21 | GoRK | BZFlag: well that's too bad .. thought i'd mention it anyway |
| 00:29:00 | BZFlag | yep, thanx |
| 01:18:57 | Aelhaz | goes and installs Woody on the PII he's throwing together for video recording |
| 02:15:05 | Sebas | hey... if I try a 5V PCMCIA Card... can I damage my tuxscreen or the card? |
| 02:30:05 | Aelhaz | prolly not |
| 02:30:22 | Aelhaz | so far, cards that only accept 5v just don't work |
| 02:30:27 | Aelhaz | 'cause they don'thave enough voltage |
| 02:30:29 | Sebas | next question... how can I tell if my card is 5 or 3 volts? |
| 02:30:35 | Aelhaz | try it and see if it works :) |
| 02:30:42 | Aelhaz | or ask the manufacturer |
| 02:31:00 | Aelhaz | sometimes they have a "5V" logo on the back, but that doesn't always mean it can't do 3.3v |
| 02:31:42 | Sebas | the website says 3.3/5V |
| 02:31:58 | Sebas | and after plugging it in, I get the "power" light on... |
| 02:32:29 | Sebas | it's an 802.3b card... Lynksys... |
| 02:33:05 | Sebas | hmmm... at least the kernel is detecting it |
| 02:56:39 | Aelhaz | wonders who decided ne.o shouldn't be on the idepci boot floppy . . . . |
| 02:56:46 | Aelhaz | but via-rhine.o should be |
| 03:05:10 | Aelhaz | Evenin, andersee |
| 03:05:33 | Sebas | Mr. "the-man" has arrived :-) |
| 03:07:09 | andersee | evening all |
| 03:07:17 | andersee | Sebas: ha! |
| 03:07:33 | andersee | Anything of interest happening? |
| 03:08:07 | Sebas | not much... I gave up on my "blob is dead" tuxscreen... got the second one out of the box and started to play around with it |
| 03:08:16 | andersee | Anybody made tone dialing work? |
| 03:08:24 | andersee | Sebas: bummer. |
| 03:08:39 | andersee | So your going to need JTAG to revive it I guess? |
| 03:08:51 | Sebas | but if I manage to get my wireless network card runing today, I'll be a very happy person |
| 03:09:00 | Sebas | yup... jtag seems to be the only chance... |
| 03:09:18 | Aelhaz | bah, this sucks. my 3c905tx was a dud, and woody doesn't see my pci ne2k at all . . |
| 03:09:25 | Sebas | but since I got two screens, I decided to let the dead one rest for a while |
| 03:10:22 | Aelhaz | still has a complete tuxscreen jtag kit for sale, $30 |
| 03:10:45 | Russ | pci ne2k isn't ne.o |
| 03:10:54 | Aelhaz | Russ: I know |
| 03:10:58 | andersee | has a complete tuxscreen jtag kit for sale -- $29 ;) |
| 03:11:09 | Aelhaz | Russ: ne can be forced to drive pci nics tho, I've done it |
| 03:11:14 | Aelhaz | just have to hand-feed it the io port |
| 03:11:33 | Russ | ph34r |
| 03:11:37 | Aelhaz | not optimal, but better than nothing |
| 03:11:58 | Russ | I thought ne2k pci was in the bootdisk kernel |
| 03:12:10 | Aelhaz | Russ: well it says it is, but it |
| 03:12:15 | Aelhaz | it's not detecting my nic |
| 03:14:30 | Aelhaz | trying a different pci slot |
| 03:17:40 | Aelhaz | hmm, sees it now. ok. |
| 03:18:13 | Aelhaz | the twin channel lvd controller works too . . . . |
| 03:18:20 | Aelhaz | man, I HATE floppies. Another one bites the dust. |
| 03:31:51 | Aelhaz | evenin b |
| 03:38:08 | BZFlag | later |
| 03:41:41 | GoRK | the only floppies i will use anymore are floppies made before like 1991/2 if i can find them |
| 03:44:47 | Sebas | I'm getting plenty of " |
| 03:44:47 | Sebas | Waiting for chip to read, status = 4 |
| 03:44:48 | Sebas | Waiting for chip to read, status = 7 |
| 03:44:52 | Sebas | while booting |
| 03:44:57 | Sebas | is that normal? |
| 03:45:07 | GoRK | Sebas: that is fine. that only happens on the first boot after a flash. it is jffs2 |
| 03:45:16 | Aelhaz | a few years ago, i was unemployed for a while, and really bored one day. decided to go through all my floppies. burn a cd of everything useful, throw away the bad floppies, reformat the good ones |
| 03:45:24 | Aelhaz | I threw away over 80 floppies |
| 03:45:28 | cory | not surprising |
| 03:45:30 | GoRK | it's waiting to do journal updates but the chip is reading |
| 03:45:33 | Aelhaz | kept like 12 |
| 03:45:39 | Aelhaz | Sebas: that's normal |
| 03:45:53 | Sebas | ok... I guessed so... but needed confirmation |
| 03:46:12 | GoRK | you shouldnt see it again unless you reboot without a clean shutdown and even then maybe not |
| 03:46:18 | GoRK | or if you reflash you will |
| 03:46:36 | Sebas | that's right... I only see them after a reflash |
| 04:05:55 | GoRK | www.emdebian.org/gcc.html |
| 04:06:01 | GoRK | whops |
| 04:37:04 | Aelhaz | i don't understand this at all. Twice now, installing from mirrors.xmission.com |
| 04:37:14 | Aelhaz | the base system has to be installed via http, and works |
| 04:37:22 | Russ | you keep getting the virus too? |
| 04:37:33 | Aelhaz | and then apt is completely unable to get anything from mirrors.xmission.com via http afterward |
| 04:37:42 | Russ | j/k |
| 04:37:46 | Aelhaz | switch it to ftp, it works fine |
| 04:38:22 | Aelhaz | first time was potato on a sparc 10 |
| 04:38:31 | Aelhaz | get the same issue with woody on this PII |
| 04:39:32 | Aelhaz | is waiting for that "you are pushing the limits of your useage cap, buddy!" email from xmission |
| 04:42:11 | Russ | maybe the apt format is different in woody |
| 04:42:18 | Russ | so you need to change you sources.list |
| 04:44:50 | Aelhaz | no, it's not the apt format |
| 04:45:01 | Aelhaz | all i have to do is change http:// to ftp:// and it works |
| 04:45:15 | Aelhaz | maybe the install floppies aren't using apt? |
| 04:45:30 | Aelhaz | and whatever they're using has a more compatible http handler |
| 04:45:57 | Aelhaz | the httpd on mirrors.xmission.com is *probably Roxen Challenger, which isn't the most normal httpd in the world |
| 04:46:18 | andersee | Aelhaz: if it is any consolation, I've had trouble with mirrors.x.c as well, and finally gave up on using it... |
| 04:46:21 | Aelhaz | the ftpd is ncftpd, iirc |
| 04:46:34 | Aelhaz | andersee: it seems to be working via ftp at the moment |
| 04:46:36 | Aelhaz | *shrug* |
| 04:48:39 | andersee | I've only tried it via http... |
| 04:49:07 | Aelhaz | andersee: yeah, and that works for the install floppies, but not apt. *shrug* |
| 05:05:08 | Aelhaz | gah, this sucks. Two files fail to download and apt wants to grab all of them over again. |
| 05:05:52 | andersee | Aelhaz: Welcome to one of the many weaknesses of ftp... |
| 05:06:27 | Aelhaz | andersee: Bull |
| 05:06:45 | Aelhaz | the weakness is not apt |
| 05:06:59 | Aelhaz | the weakness *is apt, rather |
| 05:07:06 | Aelhaz | why the hell can't it retry? |
| 05:07:17 | Aelhaz | where the hell did all the files it spent a half an hour downloading go? |
| 05:07:28 | andersee | /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 05:07:39 | Aelhaz | so why isn't it using them? |
| 05:07:55 | andersee | This is potato's apt? |
| 05:07:58 | Aelhaz | woody |
| 05:08:09 | andersee | dunno then |
| 05:12:49 | Aelhaz | I guess first thing tomorrow I figure out who to submit a bug report to |
| 05:13:17 | Aelhaz | 'course, the only responses i get to debian bug reports are "gee, this should be fixed" |
| 05:13:56 | andersee | "scratch what itches" -- when a bug bugs me I fix it... |
| 05:14:48 | Aelhaz | that's fine for you, sure |
| 05:15:59 | andersee | My point is, Debian is a volunteer org -- things get fixed because volunteers take time to fix things... |
| 05:19:14 | Aelhaz | true enough, but the attitude leads me to believe that having a "testing" tree is merely a pretense |
| 05:19:35 | andersee | perhaps... |
| 05:19:44 | andersee | There are people that do testing. |
| 05:20:03 | andersee | There are many people that _use_ testing (like me). |
| 05:20:17 | GoRK | i run testing pretty much exclusively for actually testing. i submit bugs out of it |
| 05:20:26 | GoRK | i run it on productin stuff though |
| 05:20:41 | andersee | me too |
| 05:20:41 | GoRK | i dont submit bugs out of unstable (which i run on this machine) |
| 05:21:08 | GoRK | i sometimes end up compiling a lot of stuff out of unstable on testing though to get support for new stuff |
| 05:21:27 | andersee | Yup, me too |
| 05:22:06 | Aelhaz | I can't write code to save my life, so I'm basically screwed |
| 05:22:18 | andersee | Ahh. |
| 05:22:34 | Aelhaz | Maybe I'll rebuild my old pentium 200 and go back to using OS/2. |
| 05:22:41 | sock | Is Mr. Riker running around in here? |
| 05:22:47 | GoRK | any debian other than unstable is perpetually out of date and unstable will f**k you when you least expect it, so just run testing and compile packages you want from unstable |
| 05:23:04 | GoRK | it's really easy; so why not? |
| 05:23:07 | andersee | Aelhaz: Well, then very detailed bug reports are your best bet then. |
| 05:23:11 | Aelhaz | sock: he went to bed |
| 05:23:34 | Russ | compile packages? naw, just run unstable |
| 05:23:40 | sock | Hrm. Does anyone know if he'd donate some to a non-profit org as a tax-deductible donation? |
| 05:23:42 | GoRK | apt-get build-deps package ; apt-get source package ; cd package ; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b ; cd .. ; dpkg -i package.deb |
| 05:23:50 | Aelhaz | andersee: I've submitted half a dozen for potato, many of them got no response, the few responses i got were "gee i thought that worked" |
| 05:24:03 | GoRK | i do run unstable on this machine. i run testing on production servers |
| 05:24:15 | GoRK | i wouldnt dare put unstable on a production server |
| 05:24:17 | andersee | Aelhaz: problem is -- very few developers run potato anymore... |
| 05:24:38 | Aelhaz | andersee: but if bugfixes aren't going to come, why call it "Stable"? |
| 05:24:46 | Aelhaz | why not call it "old crappy shit we won't touch anymore"? |
| 05:25:07 | andersee | Perhaps we sould adjust the archive naming a bit |
| 05:26:10 | GoRK | a lot of the bugfixes for stable early on are to recompile testing packages for stable. the problem is that as stable ages, developers stop being able to do that without breaking stuff and they have to concentrate on the new release |
| 05:26:15 | andersee | It _is_ stable. Very much so -- but about the only attention it gets is security fixes. No new features (which sometimes means no new bugfixs) |
| 05:27:27 | Aelhaz | I'm just frustrated. This happens every time i install a new system, because basically all linux sucks, doesn't really matter which distribution, they all just suck in subtly different was |
| 05:27:45 | GoRK | i find debian testing tends to suck least |
| 05:28:11 | Aelhaz | *shrug* |
| 05:28:46 | andersee | Aelhaz: Have you tried testing? |
| 05:28:48 | GoRK | you think potato is bad try the current 'stable' version of freebsd |
| 05:28:58 | Aelhaz | andersee: this is my first time attempting the testing tree |
| 05:29:02 | GoRK | distribution. not the kernel |
| 05:29:19 | andersee | GoRK: No doubt. The install _sucks_ too, IMHO. |
| 05:29:43 | GoRK | AlHaz: so you had problems installing testing or what? |
| 05:29:50 | Aelhaz | GoRK: I've never been able to stomach the attitude long enough to actually use *bsd |
| 05:30:01 | Aelhaz | GoRK: apt is being moronic |
| 05:30:08 | GoRK | with http, eh? |
| 05:30:15 | Aelhaz | GoRK: not just that |
| 05:30:48 | Aelhaz | socket timed out downloading 1 file out of a few dozen, about 160 megs of .deb files |
| 05:30:48 | andersee | Aelhaz: So don't use mirrors.xmission.com -- I've had bad luck with that despite it being close... |
| 05:31:00 | Aelhaz | andersee: I don't think it's the server at fault |
| 05:31:07 | Aelhaz | just one file out of many failed to download |
| 05:31:16 | GoRK | the bootfloppies don't exactly like to use apt http and don't exactly like to lose their transfers. which is why they are currently recieving the most attention in the freeze (if the DP article is correct) |
| 05:31:27 | Aelhaz | the installer started over, and didn't use any of the files previously downloaded |
| 05:31:37 | Aelhaz | I don't know if they were deleted beforehand, or just ignored |
| 05:31:50 | Aelhaz | installer started over at the task selection level, I mean |
| 05:32:04 | Aelhaz | GoRK: this is well past the floppies |
| 05:32:17 | GoRK | oh |
| 05:32:19 | GoRK | hmm |
| 05:32:21 | GoRK | apt |
| 05:32:22 | Aelhaz | this is at the point of running dselect after selecting tasks |
| 05:32:36 | GoRK | i hate dselect too. argh |
| 05:32:43 | Aelhaz | the socket times out downloading 75dpi fonts. Fine, whatever. |
| 05:32:51 | Aelhaz | Preferably, apt should try again |
| 05:32:56 | Aelhaz | it doesn't. Whatever. |
| 05:33:17 | Aelhaz | So dselect fails, I'm kicked back to task selection |
| 05:33:21 | Aelhaz | go through again |
| 05:33:27 | Aelhaz | and it downloads all 160 megs of .deb files AGAIN |
| 05:33:49 | Aelhaz | stupid stupid stupid |
| 05:34:18 | GoRK | the first time i installed debian it took me 36 hours ... and that was from CD! |
| 05:34:40 | Aelhaz | To be fair, OS/2 3.0 had the worst installer I've ever used to install any OS |
| 05:34:52 | Aelhaz | 4.0 was marginally better, but so was 2.11 |
| 05:35:09 | Aelhaz | I've been through much worse |
| 05:35:25 | Aelhaz | I've been through a stack of floppies 16 inches high five times in one night, to be precise |
| 05:35:36 | GoRK | the worst installer i ever used was Apple's installer for Rhapsody/x86 alpha 1 and 2 -- the predecessor to MacOS X |
| 05:36:13 | Aelhaz | OpenBSD 2.3/sparc is a close second |
| 05:36:28 | Aelhaz | but only because the documentation ranged from misleading to dead wrong |
| 05:36:59 | GoRK | although admittedly after it installed it was pretty freaky to see the little apple menu on my PC |
| 05:37:02 | Aelhaz | all the docs would say on configuration was "To configure foo, run fooconf" |
| 05:37:09 | GoRK | too bad the project was canned. would have been fun |
| 05:37:13 | Aelhaz | turns out fooconf is "alias fooconf vi /etc/foo.conf" |
| 05:37:41 | Aelhaz | which would be nonexistant, so I'd be sitting there looking at an empty buffer |
| 05:37:56 | Aelhaz | "Gee, I'm glad I ran fooconf instead of editing the file by hand" |
| 05:38:32 | Aelhaz | that and their "stable" installer didn't work fer shit |
| 05:38:36 | Aelhaz | at all, in any way |
| 05:38:42 | Aelhaz | it'd boot, but it wouldn't do anything after that |
| 05:38:49 | Aelhaz | the "experimental" one worked, but had no docs |
| 05:47:01 | Aelhaz | GoRK: Someone at microsoft slipped an image of XP running on an obvious G3 macintosh into the WinXP installer, obviously photoshop work, that looked a little odd . . . |
| 05:47:50 | Aelhaz | the register had a screen shot of it, can't find it now . . . |
| 05:48:18 | GoRK | heh this was the opposite but for real |
| 05:48:37 | GoRK | the core of OS/X used to be (what was left of) OpenSTEP which at that time ran on PPC and X86 |
| 05:49:11 | Aelhaz | heck, openstep runs on sparc, pa-risc, etc |
| 05:49:20 | GoRK | Apple was toying with the idea of making MacOS X for both X86 and PPC and went so far as to release two alphas of it -- which i have somehwere around here on a CD |
| 05:49:26 | Aelhaz | for a while, NeXT was selling NeXTStep for nearly everything |
| 05:49:30 | GoRK | well yeah but apple didnt carry those farther |
| 05:49:58 | Aelhaz | I know they were toying with it, but figured they'd never do it |
| 05:50:06 | GoRK | well they did twice |
| 05:50:29 | GoRK | they also ported system 7 to x86 at one point. i forgot the codename but it never made it out of apple |
| 05:50:52 | Aelhaz | I should go to bed |
| 05:51:25 | Aelhaz | Apple's short experiment with clone systems was proof positive that Apple should get out of the hardware business, but they don't want that |
| 05:51:25 | Aelhaz | so they'll continue to do whatever they can to drive their own hardware |
| 05:55:02 | Aelhaz | Nearly every company that tried was cheaper, faster, and better |
| 05:55:38 | Aelhaz | so apple shut 'em all down |
| 05:56:06 | Aelhaz | it really pissed 'em off when their competitors were going to have G3's shipped to market before Apple had a working prototype |
| 05:56:37 | Aelhaz | I'm just full of attitude tonight. It's nothing personal. |
| 05:57:22 | Aelhaz | My evening started out with a drive to the ass-end of provo to pick up a package from the UPS dock, where i found that UPS had moved to a new facility, effective today, in the arm-pit of orem |
| 05:57:51 | Aelhaz | just south of the steel mill and just east of the lake. the combination of stenches was nausiating. |
| 05:59:15 | Aelhaz | forget it, I'm goin to bed. |
| 05:59:26 | GoRK | later |
| 05:59:38 | GoRK | heheh he can rant |
| 05:59:42 | andersee | indeed |
| 05:59:53 | andersee | tuned it out |
| 06:00:15 | GoRK | i am just configuring a new mail system so it was sort of fun to switch over and egg it on a little |
| 06:00:16 | GoRK | hehehe |
| 06:00:31 | GoRK | courier-mta ... mmm nice system |
| 06:01:09 | andersee | courier? never heard of it |
| 06:01:21 | andersee | I use postfix and like it |
| 06:01:27 | GoRK | i hadnt either until i started researching it. apparently a lot of people use it |
| 06:01:45 | GoRK | i have to support tons of virtual domains :-/ |
| 06:02:07 | GoRK | and imap and pop3 on them |
| 06:02:27 | andersee | postfix is pretty easy for that |
| 06:02:28 | GoRK | so it's really nice having the MTA work with the IMAP and POP3 clients. plus it has a built in mailing list manager |
| 06:02:41 | andersee | Hmm |
| 06:02:55 | andersee | That would be nice |
| 06:03:40 | GoRK | and i have to support SASL authentication on all services, plus provide webmail access and have the ability to write an admin interface so individual domain users can manage their own email accounts |
| 06:04:10 | GoRK | courier does all of that, so im going to try it on this test box for a couple weeks and if it works, roll it in |
| 06:04:24 | andersee | Let me know how it goes |
| 06:04:35 | GoRK | k |
| 06:04:41 | GoRK | hey got a quick q for you |
| 06:04:44 | andersee | used to run an ISP in a past life and stays current |
| 06:04:48 | GoRK | sort of a design issue |
| 06:04:50 | andersee | k |
| 06:05:03 | andersee | is designing as we |
| 06:05:08 | andersee | speak |
| 06:06:28 | andersee | yes? |
| 06:06:33 | GoRK | i plan on writing telephony apps for the tux and integrating it into a full pbx system.. anyway i'm going to use an LDAP directory to cache users personal speeddials, voicemail index, call history, etc. etc. but i also want to cache users personal data locally on the phone with some small db engine |
| 06:06:43 | GoRK | i was thinking gdbm or bdb |
| 06:06:52 | GoRK | berkely db that is |
| 06:07:00 | andersee | ok |
| 06:07:06 | GoRK | or is that overkill? ive never really done any embedded work before |
| 06:07:23 | GoRK | normally i would have just used mysql and been done with it :) |
| 06:07:52 | andersee | Well, considering the type of data you are storing, its limited extent, and the limited resources of the tux... |
| 06:08:14 | andersee | I think flat ascii files might be a better choice. |
| 06:08:48 | andersee | You could make things easy to parse by storing one "record" per ascii file. A bit wastful of inodes but easy to parse. |
| 06:09:15 | GoRK | yeah... i just wanted the flexibility of a kind of DB.. that way i could add fields and not be locked into a huge data conversion or something |
| 06:09:26 | andersee | true. |
| 06:09:27 | GoRK | plus i dont want to wear out the flash |
| 06:09:48 | andersee | and a db is less flash wearing then ascii? |
| 06:10:09 | GoRK | well not necessarily but you can have it in a ramfs and dump it to flash only occasionally |
| 06:10:29 | GoRK | i guess i could do the same thing with flat files |
| 06:10:53 | andersee | Right. that applies regardles of the means you use to store data -- db or flat or xml or whatever |
| 06:11:03 | GoRK | ooh xml |
| 06:11:10 | GoRK | hey i totally forgot about that |
| 06:11:27 | GoRK | ooooh that sounds good |
| 06:11:29 | andersee | even buzzword compliant... |
| 06:11:47 | andersee | You can put that on your resume. :) |
| 06:11:49 | GoRK | PBX XML LDAP VoIP f0n |
| 06:12:04 | andersee | heh |
| 06:12:53 | GoRK | i have to grok a bunch of XML for this other website i run |
| 06:13:48 | GoRK | i can probably scrap the LDAP for XMLRPC and alleviate the problem of the phone having to talk LDAP too |
| 06:13:54 | andersee | Well then, I think we have a winner. Write a ldap2xml and xml2ldap util (though surely someone has already written such beasties) |
| 06:14:16 | andersee | Yeah that too |
| 06:14:51 | GoRK | that fixes the other problem too... call announcements, etc |
| 06:15:07 | GoRK | which i was going to do as a custom client/server thing |
| 06:15:51 | GoRK | e.g. when your phone rings the callerid gets sent to the phone over the network not over callerid |
| 06:16:04 | GoRK | which makes more sense anyway -- plus it happens faster |
| 06:16:41 | andersee | sounds like a winner |
| 06:16:48 | GoRK | i need to plan this better. once i get picogui up in full force and release it im going to start this deal |
| 06:17:35 | andersee | just wants to make tone dialing work |
| 06:17:44 | GoRK | i just hope someone figures out how to get raw audio samples from the DSP so we can do voip and play sounds through the speakerphone speaker |
| 06:17:46 | andersee | and speakerphone would be nice too |
| 06:18:04 | GoRK | i actually have tone dialing working in a super hacked out kludgy way |
| 06:18:12 | andersee | Oh? |
| 06:18:18 | GoRK | yeah well it's not with the dsp |
| 06:18:24 | andersee | Wh'd you have to do? |
| 06:19:06 | GoRK | my phone is plugged into a quicknet linejack which sits on another computer |
| 06:20:06 | GoRK | anyway i have a little picogui program that has a phone keypad on it and when you push the numbers it echos them out to the serial port where a program on the computer with the linejack makes the linejack generate tones |
| 06:20:32 | andersee | Ahh. So computer B does the dialing... |
| 06:20:35 | GoRK | yeah |
| 06:20:36 | andersee | cheater |
| 06:20:39 | andersee | ;) |
| 06:20:48 | GoRK | but i can push the screen and get beeps!!!! |
| 06:22:21 | andersee | yup. |
| 06:22:24 | GoRK | who is working on the dsp? |
| 06:22:27 | GoRK | anyone really? |
| 06:22:37 | andersee | As near as I can tell, nobody... :( |
| 06:22:40 | GoRK | shaggy could do it |
| 06:23:11 | GoRK | i thought inferno source was available? can someone not look at it and see how it works? |
| 06:23:15 | andersee | I'm glad that at least now have a stable Linux distro people can build off of. |
| 06:23:56 | GoRK | oh yeah i was going to get a tiny telned running |
| 06:23:58 | andersee | GoRK: Perhaps it may be availble |
| 06:24:05 | andersee | GoRK: Would be nice |
| 06:35:45 | GoRK | are you familiar with the tnlited telnet daemon? |
| 06:35:58 | andersee | Nope. |
| 06:36:19 | andersee | If you look on the busybox mailing list, there is a busybox'ed telnetd that was recently mentioned. |
| 06:36:32 | andersee | I was going to apply the patch today, but got busy |
| 06:36:49 | GoRK | oh ... well then ill hold off on tnlited then |
| 06:36:50 | andersee | It creates a seperate binary (see the thread for why) |
| 06:37:02 | GoRK | maybe this is the one then |
| 06:37:05 | GoRK | i use it on the tivo |
| 06:37:17 | andersee | Either way |
| 06:37:38 | GoRK | did you see the busybox irc client? |
| 06:37:59 | andersee | I seem to recall such a patch. |
| 06:38:49 | andersee | I've gotten a bit behind since getting fired from Lineo, and I need to give it some time and attention. |
| 06:39:00 | GoRK | pretty soon you're going to have busybOS |
| 06:39:32 | andersee | heh |
| 06:39:51 | andersee | Well, a decent chunk of user space anyways |
| 06:40:14 | andersee | heck, the phone is nearly that as is |
| 06:40:17 | andersee | :) |
| 06:40:38 | GoRK | yeah the only binaries that i have that are not busybox are the pcmcia, lrzsz, and picogui+clients |
| 06:40:48 | GoRK | and udhcpc |
| 06:43:29 | andersee | BZFlag: go to bed |
| 06:46:25 | BZFlag | hey, you too! ;-) |
| 06:46:30 | andersee | :-) |
| 06:46:36 | andersee | Whazzup? |
| 06:46:45 | andersee | Work keeping you busy? |
| 06:56:17 | GoRK | whoot this mail system rules! |
| 06:56:31 | GoRK | andersee: this rules (if it will handle my load) |
| 06:56:43 | andersee | Hmm, cool |
| 06:57:14 | GoRK | argh i had sendmail set up doing all that stuff. it took days just to set it up and it never even worked quite right |
| 07:00:54 | andersee | But that is because sendmail is utter crap... |
| 07:01:23 | GoRK | it's not crap if you're a human m4 processor |
| 07:01:42 | andersee | I've been very happy with postfix. It is extremely fast and mere mortals can read the config files |
| 07:01:57 | andersee | Quite flexible too |
| 07:02:41 | GoRK | ill have to check it out sometime. if this breaks down ill go for it |
| 07:02:45 | GoRK | what about exim? |
| 07:02:47 | andersee | When I converted over that ISP I used to run, load average on the server dropped from 12-18 to 0.2-0.5... And that was an SMP box |
| 07:03:05 | andersee | exim is also quite usable. |
| 07:03:37 | andersee | Just about everything designed after sendmail is a huge improvement |
| 07:03:48 | andersee | Some more, some less so |
| 07:03:58 | GoRK | right now my production server is using a hacked to hell sendmail with a hacked to hell gnu-pop3d to support virtual domains and some perl scripts that do fun things like play grim reaper to gnu-pop3d processes that hang in FIN_WAIT |
| 07:04:10 | andersee | postfix and qmail are at the top of the heap. But qmail has a screwy license |
| 07:04:24 | GoRK | i also personally hate qmail |
| 07:04:39 | andersee | GoRK: I know all about pop reaper scripts... :( |
| 07:04:52 | andersee | right |
| 07:05:23 | GoRK | this one wont have that problem though ... it lets you fire up pop3 AND imap as many times as you want on the same mailboxes hehehe |
| 07:05:35 | GoRK | and it reaps what it sows |
| 07:05:45 | GoRK | part of the install was to make sure it did that properly |
| 07:06:17 | GoRK | (sorry im just psyching myself up about courier because finally i have SOMETHING that actually works) |
| 07:06:29 | andersee | heh |
| 07:06:36 | andersee | well, I'm off to bes |
| 07:06:39 | andersee | err |
| 07:06:42 | andersee | bed |
| 07:06:46 | andersee | is sleepy |
| 07:06:58 | GoRK | [TiVo [p1] /sbin]# busybox help |
| 07:06:59 | GoRK | BusyBox v0.48 (2000.12.22-03:36+0000) multi-call binary -- GPL2 |
| 07:07:04 | GoRK | yeek need to update that puppy |
| 07:07:17 | andersee | Hmm. The tivo uses busybox? |
| 07:07:25 | GoRK | i use busybox on it |
| 07:07:32 | andersee | Cool |
| 07:07:46 | GoRK | internally, tivo uses a lot of tcl |
| 07:08:16 | GoRK | - /dev/hda7 124M 19M 98M 16% / |
| 07:08:38 | GoRK | not like i am trying to save space .. just trying to save the hassle of compiling a billion programs |
| 07:08:53 | andersee | well <yawn> I'm outta here |
| 07:08:56 | GoRK | later |
| 07:14:29 | GoRK | damnit someone should start a free signing authority |
| 07:14:43 | GoRK | like that would ever happen |
| 13:12:55 | pattieja | is back (gone 14:07:05) |
| 13:18:37 | mallum | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 13:19:02 | ctr | mallum, what do i need to pick up to get the tuxscreen phone working in the uk? |
| 13:19:07 | ctr | and what about power |
| 13:20:24 | mallum | ctr: you need a US power adaptor tranformer thingy |
| 13:20:38 | mallum | ctr: you can get them from Maplins for 15 pounds |
| 13:21:02 | mallum | ctr: or elecrical shops off TCR have them, but more expensive and bulky |
| 13:22:27 | ctr | k |
| 13:27:10 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: hello! |
| 13:31:12 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Did you see TimGray's report on the Wiki? |
| 13:37:58 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hi |
| 13:38:07 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: no not yet :) |
| 13:38:40 | CosmicPenguin | See if it sounds familiar to your python issues.... |
| 13:39:43 | CosmicPenguin | I had one mysterious lockup last weekend, but I have been unable to recreate it |
| 13:41:33 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: no, thats sounds differnt to me, mine only locks when I throw something big at python |
| 13:42:05 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Ok... Just wondering... |
| 13:42:09 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I could well be building something in Python wrongly as its quite a complicated build |
| 13:42:21 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thanks for the pointer though :) |
| 13:42:51 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Not to get your hopes up or anything, but I have an experimental driver that I am going to be testing on blzbubba's machine soon..... |
| 13:43:11 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I just rebuilt a new Python against the buildroot stuff, I'll try it when I get home. Also I can use the swap from mu uDrive now bb-swapon is included :) |
| 13:43:27 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: cool.... the uDrive working well then? |
| 13:43:34 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool :) well I'll be happy to test too if you want |
| 13:43:57 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep seems to be ;) |
| 13:44:13 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: its really lame right now, it just throws out many prink statements... |
| 13:44:36 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: The US stock market is on sale right now, so I can't decide if I should buy some stocks or a uDrive... :) |
| 13:45:58 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hmm, I lost too much money on stock to ever be bothered again |
| 13:46:59 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: all of 300 $ ;) |
| 13:49:25 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I lost alot too recently...... but its bound to go back up... :) |
| 13:57:39 | blzbubba | bonds look kinda smart now don't they |
| 13:58:04 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: Its the patriotic thing to do... :) |
| 14:27:33 | RobFlynn | Heya Russ. |
| 14:45:06 | GoRK | goodyear stock looks kinda smart now too |
| 14:45:07 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: No joy on the TS driver..... |
| 14:45:21 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: you there? |
| 14:46:11 | ctr | ho hum |
| 14:46:38 | ctr | i added some info to the wiki |
| 14:46:39 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: ok np, thanks for trying though ;) |
| 14:46:41 | ctr | :) |
| 14:46:54 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Its almost like we're not getting interrupts or something.... its bizzare... |
| 14:47:22 | GoRK | are the physical part numbers different for the touchpanels themselves? |
| 14:47:30 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Actually, hold on a second.... |
| 14:47:37 | blzbubba | waah |
| 14:48:51 | CosmicPenguin | Oops, I have one more thing to try... coming over blzbubba |
| 14:52:34 | CosmicPenguin | be back in a minute.... |
| 14:58:12 | CosmicPenguin | Doh! |
| 14:58:58 | CosmicPenguin | Welllll..... that didn't work... |
| 14:59:41 | mallum | getting closers though .....? |
| 15:00:12 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Nope... :( |
| 15:00:46 | CosmicPenguin | Russ - Is that you or is it just your agent reconnecting automagically? |
| 15:07:33 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I think we are dealing with an interrupt problem here, but I can't figure out why.... |
| 15:08:07 | ctr | hrmm |
| 15:08:18 | ctr | maybe there should be a "Get The Inferno Source" fund |
| 15:08:29 | ctr | to see what inferno does |
| 15:09:03 | CosmicPenguin | Or we can have BZFlag bother Shaggy again.... |
| 15:09:31 | ctr | :) |
| 15:09:39 | ctr | or do that |
| 15:09:40 | ctr | =P |
| 15:09:50 | Russ | I autoreconnect |
| 15:09:50 | CosmicPenguin | The reason i think that it is interrupt related is that the machines with the bad TS halt when we try to set the backlight power |
| 15:10:31 | CosmicPenguin | But I tried switching the TS interrupt and it still didn't help....:( |
| 15:10:53 | blzbubba | double waah |
| 16:34:21 | CosmicPenguin | Has anyone see this project: http://www.rdesktop.org/ |
| 16:34:30 | GoRK | yes |
| 16:34:38 | CosmicPenguin | Is there any one out there that wuold be interested in something like that on the TuxScreen? |
| 16:34:55 | GoRK | yes i'd like to see rdesktop on the tux. i dont think i'd really use it though |
| 16:35:10 | GoRK | it'd be cool to see windows on the tux heh |
| 16:35:22 | GoRK | have you used rdesktop before? |
| 16:35:25 | cworth | VNC should do this just fine, no? |
| 16:35:34 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I have not used it before... how is it different than VNC? |
| 16:36:17 | GoRK | rdesktop uses the rdp protocol which is more tightly integrated with the OS than vnc - thus it is a lot smaller, faster protocol |
| 16:36:33 | GoRK | if you are familiar with citrix's ICA protocol, it's basically the same thing albeit not as good |
| 16:36:49 | GoRK | it's designed for thin client stuff |
| 16:37:07 | CosmicPenguin | So its not nessesarly a rehash of VNC then.... |
| 16:37:14 | GoRK | but it requires windows nt 4 terminal services edition or win2k server or advanced server |
| 16:37:32 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Is that a standard NT4 thing, or is it an add-on? |
| 16:37:34 | GoRK | no it's microsoft's own protocol. rdp stands for 'remote display protocol' |
| 16:37:47 | GoRK | no that is an entirely different edition of NT4 |
| 16:38:07 | CosmicPenguin | Doh! So it isn't very useful for the general public then.... |
| 16:38:19 | GoRK | well it will be. winxp has built in rdp on all versions |
| 16:38:37 | GoRK | i dont think that rdesktop can talk to winxp yet |
| 16:38:42 | CosmicPenguin | I see... |
| 16:38:44 | GoRK | the way rdesktop is maintained is very strange |
| 16:39:08 | CosmicPenguin | See, the problem is that Microwindows is seriously lagging in thin client support, so I was on the hunt for some other thin client apps to port.... |
| 16:39:09 | GoRK | basically there is a year old tarball and everything else is maintained as patches to that |
| 16:39:57 | GoRK | rdesktop would be good; really. anyone who has win2k server running somewhere probably is already using rdp and microsoft's 'terminal services client' |
| 16:41:31 | GoRK | if you want access to an RDP server to test, let me know and i can hook you up an account somewhere |
| 16:44:38 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure we can find one around here... our other division makes a terminal emulator... I bet they already support RDP... :) |
| 16:46:56 | ctr | CosmicPenguin, i added some information to the Wiki about me |
| 16:47:29 | ctr | god damn I love being able to type on my keyboard without actually having to look at it |
| 16:48:26 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Cool... that lightweight java should be very interesting |
| 16:48:44 | ctr | CosmicPenguin, yep |
| 16:48:49 | ctr | CosmicPenguin, well i have da skillz :) |
| 16:49:01 | ctr | and i think i should be able to persude my lecturers |
| 16:49:09 | ctr | if needs be i'll get you lot to email him |
| 16:49:10 | ctr | :) |
| 16:49:29 | CosmicPenguin | I think that he should agree - Java is a hot item in the embedded world right now |
| 16:49:39 | ctr | yep |
| 16:49:46 | ctr | i have to say i love java |
| 16:50:05 | ctr | hence while i steal a fair bit of it for ferite :) |
| 16:54:08 | ctr | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/ChrisRoss |
| 17:33:46 | CosmicPenguin | This new M$ virus is pretty brutal.... |
| 17:34:08 | blzbubba | you're not kidding |
| 17:34:24 | blzbubba | i sure hope people wise up and stop using IIS |
| 17:35:30 | CosmicPenguin | slashdot says that some of the boxes have been hacked with anti-american messages, but I haven't seen that yet |
| 17:36:55 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: you missed the TFTP instructions too.... |
| 17:37:22 | blzbubba | tftp? |
| 17:37:41 | CosmicPenguin | edit %systemroot/system32/drivers/etc/services. |
| 17:37:42 | CosmicPenguin | change the line; |
| 17:37:42 | CosmicPenguin | tftp 69/udp |
| 17:37:42 | CosmicPenguin | to; |
| 17:37:42 | CosmicPenguin | tftp 0/udp |
| 17:37:56 | CosmicPenguin | Becuase it is apparently using TFTP to get the infected files over... |
| 17:38:57 | blzbubba | interesting. we have tftp blocked by the firewall luckily. you can't just tftp a file onto a red hat system, can you? |
| 17:39:07 | blzbubba | that would be bad |
| 17:39:16 | CosmicPenguin | Not if you don't have the server running. |
| 17:40:20 | CosmicPenguin | I doubt that readme.exe would run on my machine anyway.... :) |
| 17:40:54 | blzbubba | looks like they're trying to put wine in red hat 7.2. that could be dangerous |
| 17:48:06 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, the simple pleasures.... sitting back, eating a sandwich, watching a virus fill my httpd log files...... |
| 17:50:33 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: sounds like fun. The same 'ol Code Red default.ida junk? |
| 17:51:10 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Nope, this is the new cmd.exe one.... it tries 4 or 5 different exploits.... |
| 17:51:10 | blzbubba | similar |
| 17:51:31 | blzbubba | fgrep -r 'c+dir' /var/log/httpd/ | wc -l |
| 17:51:36 | andersee | cool. Sounds like a thing of beauty. |
| 17:51:39 | blzbubba | assuming your apache logs are in /var/log/httpd |
| 17:51:47 | andersee | check his web logs |
| 17:54:25 | andersee | GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 232 |
| 17:54:57 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the one..... |
| 17:54:59 | andersee | Geez. I've been hit zillions of times already. Glad I'm not on windoz |
| 17:56:13 | CosmicPenguin | We need to get the code red perl script and adapt it.... |
| 17:56:27 | CosmicPenguin | You know, the one that sends the mail: "Dear webmaster, user, idiot..." |
| 17:56:58 | andersee | yup |
| 18:08:27 | mallum | hi all |
| 18:09:34 | AlHazWork | hi |
| 18:12:13 | Russ | arghhh |
| 18:12:27 | Russ | apache needs a filter for those pesky microsoft systems |
| 18:12:35 | Russ | makes it a lot harder to read my web logs |
| 18:13:54 | CosmicPenguin | I'm surprised that somebody hasn't already made one.... |
| 18:16:07 | mallum | grep -iv default.ida ? |
| 18:16:31 | AlHazWork | this new worm tries about 25 different exploits |
| 18:16:52 | CosmicPenguin | 2413 hits so far on my box... |
| 18:16:58 | AlHazWork | so if you're running Microsoft Internet Intrusion Service, look out |
| 18:17:16 | mallum | ouch. |
| 18:18:08 | BZFlag | is really lagging... |
| 18:18:45 | CosmicPenguin | And they are all from the same class A address.... |
| 18:19:34 | AlHazWork | i think a major factor has *got to be that IE 4.0 and up quietly give up when a download fails |
| 18:19:50 | AlHazWork | so people hit the download button, and figure the patch is installed when the window goes away |
| 18:21:04 | GoRK | AlHazWork: were you who was selling a JTAG? |
| 18:21:10 | AlHazWork | GoRK: Yeah |
| 18:21:21 | GoRK | is it the same one that works with the tuxscreen? |
| 18:21:23 | AlHazWork | I have one dongle, two cables, and one header |
| 18:21:31 | AlHazWork | it's precisely what's pictured on the wiki |
| 18:24:10 | BZFlag | Is today a hit day for the worm then? that could be what's happening on my DSL net here. |
| 18:24:11 | BZFlag | Can anyone get to my home page out there? http://rikers.org/ |
| 18:24:52 | GoRK | i can sort of pull it up. it's slow. that's probably what's happening |
| 18:24:54 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: who is your ISP? |
| 18:25:30 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: Yeah, it's slow |
| 18:25:35 | CosmicPenguin | XMission is filtering port 80 right now |
| 18:25:43 | AlHazWork | XMission had big problems with dsl to utah valley this morning |
| 18:25:51 | AlHazWork | it wasn't slow, it was dead |
| 18:25:55 | GoRK | Nimda. what a stupid name |
| 18:26:08 | GoRK | i'd have called it NukeIraq |
| 18:26:39 | Russ | page comes up slowly for me |
| 18:26:48 | CosmicPenguin | Rumor has it that there are some mutations to this bug that hack the boxes with anti-american slogans... |
| 18:27:03 | Russ | I use QWest f... |
| 18:27:44 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Isn't Qwest swtiching to MSN soon? |
| 18:27:55 | Russ | I was reading his homepage |
| 18:28:00 | Russ | it stops in midsentance |
| 18:28:12 | Russ | I got *a* packet aparently |
| 18:28:18 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh.... |
| 18:28:25 | Russ | got, even internet2 is snail's pace |
| 18:28:58 | Russ | http://www.ucaid.edu/abilene/ |
| 18:29:04 | Russ | ... |
| 18:29:23 | AlHazWork | qworst is selling their isp to MSN, yeah |
| 18:29:24 | Russ | I can't access ucaid.edu |
| 18:29:33 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: That sucks.... |
| 18:29:35 | AlHazWork | the DSL infrastructure will still be qworst |
| 18:29:55 | Russ | 1 router-11707.inre.asu.edu (129.219.167.1) 3.232 ms 18.795 ms 4.229 ms |
| 18:29:56 | Russ | 2 asu-gw-ascix1.inre.asu.edu (149.169.254.11) 407.678 ms * 354.750 ms |
| 18:30:01 | Russ | grr.... |
| 18:30:04 | Russ | damned MS bastards |
| 18:30:14 | GoRK | haha you can't access it and it's Internet2 |
| 18:30:22 | travis_143cw | ms is gay |
| 18:30:29 | Russ | 9 * arena.internet2.edu (209.211.239.209) 547.041 ms * |
| 18:30:32 | travis_143cw | of course i am using ms at work.... |
| 18:30:35 | travis_143cw | shit |
| 18:30:40 | travis_143cw | i have a girlfriend! |
| 18:30:48 | Russ | I don't! |
| 18:31:26 | travis_143cw | just saying that so know one gets the wrong impression... |
| 18:31:36 | Russ | how the hell am I supposed to play a game like this |
| 18:31:40 | travis_143cw | is it bad if you have a girlfriend and another girl kissed you? |
| 18:31:51 | travis_143cw | kissed me rather |
| 18:31:51 | AlHazWork | travis_143cw: Sure it's not a florida state trooper in drag? |
| 18:31:54 | Russ | umm...yah, because the chicks in #tuxscreen are crawling all over you |
| 18:31:59 | AlHazWork | travis_143cw: They love to troll around the 'net, yaknow |
| 18:32:12 | travis_143cw | no fl state trooper |
| 18:32:15 | travis_143cw | i live in MN! |
| 18:32:36 | AlHazWork | just remember, if she says she'll meet you at a seedy motel in florida, don't go :) |
| 18:32:52 | travis_143cw | no my friends sister kissed me when i left her house |
| 18:33:13 | mallum | travis_143cw: with tounges ? |
| 18:33:13 | travis_143cw | no motel! |
| 18:33:24 | CosmicPenguin | She was probably turned on by your TuxScreen.... I get that all the time.... |
| 18:33:27 | travis_143cw | well, yes... but it surprised me |
| 18:33:41 | travis_143cw | mallum: look above |
| 18:33:56 | AlHazWork | travis_143cw: it's bad in the sense that your girlfriend will freak out on you, but it's not like you did anything wrong |
| 18:34:12 | AlHazWork | You can't apply logic to these situations, you know |
| 18:34:17 | travis_143cw | it surprised the hell out of me |
| 18:35:04 | Russ | travis_143cw: then what do you have to worry about? |
| 18:35:04 | mallum | travis_143cw: well if your young you may as well make the most of it |
| 18:35:14 | travis_143cw | i am 19! |
| 18:35:32 | CosmicPenguin | Then definately make the most of it..... |
| 18:35:34 | mallum | cool ! |
| 18:35:45 | Russ | its ok, its not like we haven't already told your gf about it |
| 18:35:55 | AlHazWork | travis_143cw: the best way to handle it is probably to refer to it sarcastically in some situation - say, "Man, I'm not goin to *his house again, that sister of his is nuts!" |
| 18:36:29 | AlHazWork | travis_143cw: I mean, if your girlfriend finds out about it in the form of you speaking negatively about it, she's less likely to jump to the conclusion that you're cheating |
| 18:36:33 | CosmicPenguin | So, anyway.... BZFlag... your ISP still treating you bad? |
| 18:36:35 | GoRK | actually the best way to handle it is to see if you girlfriend wants to hook up some funky 3way jank |
| 18:36:42 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:36:44 | ronin | haha |
| 18:36:56 | BZFlag | someone should do a class action suit agains't MS for leaving this known bug open for so long. |
| 18:36:57 | ronin | travis_143cw: Best way to handle it is to not do it. |
| 18:37:05 | travis_143cw | i didnt try to |
| 18:37:20 | travis_143cw | she just wanted a hug and it happened |
| 18:37:28 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: yep. the DSL router is constantly doing who-has requests for the whole net. |
| 18:37:43 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder why anyone hasn't written an Apache mod to filter a given regexp from the logs.... |
| 18:37:43 | ronin | Yeah, we were just hugging and then my tounge just sort of jumped into her mouth! |
| 18:37:58 | BZFlag | missed what happened... |
| 18:38:14 | ronin | BZFlag: travis_143cw is having womens issues. |
| 18:38:27 | GoRK | travis_143cw got attacked by a succubus. no big deal. |
| 18:38:33 | AlHazWork | <travis_143cw> is it bad if you have a girlfriend and another girl kissed you? |
| 18:38:42 | BZFlag | sounds like a talk show |
| 18:38:42 | GoRK | only that he has no soul anymore, but... whatever. |
| 18:38:44 | Russ | BZFlag: I have 400ms ping times to a router a quarter mile away |
| 18:39:01 | Russ | thats linked to me throught 100Mbit/gigabit lines |
| 18:39:48 | GoRK | what is springer? |
| 18:39:54 | CosmicPenguin | Hehehe.... :) |
| 18:40:41 | AlHazWork | former mayor of indianapolis, right? |
| 18:40:42 | mallum | I think its a bit weak for jerry springer |
| 18:40:49 | GoRK | ah |
| 18:41:01 | GoRK | bbiaw |
| 18:41:13 | AlHazWork | mallum: Yes, but the girlfriend is hiding out behind something, we'll bring her out after we've convinced travis to say something incriminating |
| 18:41:41 | ronin | BZFlag: Oh hey, so I was thinking of sending my brick back for you to take a look at. Is that still cool? |
| 18:41:50 | mallum | AlHazWork: I think a career as a talk show producer looms for you |
| 18:41:52 | ronin | er, sending it today even. |
| 18:42:44 | BZFlag | ronin: sure. |
| 18:42:52 | ronin | killer, danke. |
| 18:43:13 | AlHazWork | heh |
| 18:44:13 | AlHazWork | mallum: I was hoping to become a pundit if the economy continues to go south |
| 18:44:22 | AlHazWork | but I'd settle for talk show producer . . . |
| 18:44:32 | GoRK | just buy goodyear and/or firestone stock and you'll be all set |
| 18:45:44 | Russ | 22 packets transmitted, 16 packets received, 27% packet loss |
| 18:45:44 | Russ | round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 273.520/335.108/404.223/33.728 ms |
| 18:45:54 | Russ | ping times to my second hop |
| 18:46:02 | Russ | normally, about 3ms |
| 18:48:03 | mallum | AlHazWork: pundit ? |
| 18:48:45 | AlHazWork | mallum: One who spouts catchy nonsense about subjects with which they are only vaguely aware. See also: Robert Cringely, John Metcalf, etc |
| 18:48:54 | BZFlag | 33% packet loss, round-trip min/avg/max = 75.9/314.7/874.6 ms |
| 18:48:55 | AlHazWork | The important part is getting paid to do it |
| 18:50:03 | mallum | AlHazWork: sounds like most of the managers I've worked for ;) |
| 18:50:18 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Its as easy as picking a side of the political spectrum, and then assuming that the other side is dead wrong..... |
| 18:50:25 | AlHazWork | mallum: Ahh, see, they get that way by reading articles written by pundits in trade rags |
| 18:50:53 | BZFlag | round-trip min/avg/max = 207.8/419.3/1012.2 ms < to the DSL router. |
| 18:51:09 | BZFlag | normally, like 10ms times. |
| 18:51:27 | CosmicPenguin | Just got another 100 in the last 5 minutes..... |
| 18:52:08 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: well, you need to be able to spout misleading statistics at will too. |
| 18:52:11 | CosmicPenguin | All but 40 of the ones I've gotten so far have been from 208.x.x.x |
| 18:52:28 | CosmicPenguin | and all but about 500 have been from 208.219.x.x |
| 18:53:02 | CosmicPenguin | It is being quite intellegent about the IP selection..... |
| 18:53:28 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: you are on 208.219 as well? the current worm is supposed to try "near" servers first |
| 18:55:24 | mallum | does it infect m$ machine via shares too ? |
| 18:55:46 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Yep, we're on 208.219.... |
| 18:59:02 | BZFlag | well, it might be time to install a CodeGreen counter virus. |
| 18:59:58 | blzbubba | mallum yes, supposedly |
| 19:00:08 | blzbubba | email attachments too |
| 19:00:50 | mallum | my friend says his whole office is infected |
| 19:01:36 | blzbubba | that's what you get for using windows |
| 19:02:26 | mallum | sad thing is he's the only one that dosn't |
| 19:04:07 | zachh | hey has anybody here had success with getting a sandisk compact flash working? |
| 19:05:05 | GoRK | is anyone else using a TRENDnet TE100-PC16R? |
| 19:05:34 | zachh | also does anybody know if the hawking 10/100 ethernet pc card is 3.3V |
| 19:05:56 | TimRiker | argh... |
| 19:07:12 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I am using a Trendnet.... highly recommend it |
| 19:07:43 | BZFlag | wants a script that triggers off the web request and kill the sender hard. |
| 19:08:47 | BZFlag | something simple like removing the tcp stack from the machine would be nice. |
| 19:13:38 | GoRK | argh no way this sucks |
| 19:13:57 | GoRK | i got some of those TE100-PC16R's that were reported to work and guess what? They are all 5V now! |
| 19:14:55 | ronin | is away: babysitting HS students. |
| 19:17:18 | GoRK | the card is still labeled TE100-PC16R but it has a blue housing on the end instead of clear and there are 3 led's |
| 19:19:15 | GoRK | yep "Normal operation +5V 350mA max |
| 19:19:24 | GoRK | from the manual. crap crap |
| 19:20:56 | BZFlag | update the wiki, and send em back. |
| 19:21:13 | CosmicPenguin | No way...... |
| 19:21:15 | GoRK | yeah im going to once i verify that all the cards i got are 5v |
| 19:21:25 | GoRK | yes way i am bitching to netica mall now |
| 19:21:35 | GoRK | the website shows straight up 3.3v |
| 19:21:57 | GoRK | and the picture on the box is the older card with the clear housing and no led's |
| 19:22:15 | GoRK | but the card in the box is much nicer looking |
| 19:22:42 | GoRK | i was quite happy when i saw the new card. it even fits in the top slot and looks very smooth in the phone |
| 19:23:12 | GoRK | the only difference seems to be the 3 led's. boy if they went to a 5v card to run some led's ... hehe |
| 19:26:32 | GoRK | actually two i got have serial numbers starting with 1800 and two have serials starting with 1700 |
| 19:27:30 | GoRK | ahh joy |
| 19:27:34 | GoRK | looks ilke a 3.3v one |
| 19:27:50 | GoRK | man that is hokey changing your hw like that |
| 19:28:28 | blzbubba | just use the driver disk they include. ;P |
| 19:29:09 | GoRK | well the driver is the same for them all |
| 19:29:19 | GoRK | my laptop says this one is 5v too |
| 19:29:24 | GoRK | and it has 6!!! lights on it |
| 19:29:59 | GoRK | it has a clear housing but it's still not what's shown on the box or on the web |
| 19:30:35 | GoRK | this is messed up |
| 19:30:53 | GoRK | ok the laptop says it was a 5v card but the phone is recognizing it and ident'ed it |
| 19:30:59 | GoRK | lets see if we ethernet |
| 19:32:09 | GoRK | it is a heck of a lot uglier |
| 19:34:14 | AlHazWork | zachh: compact flash cards have always worked. Feel free to call hawking and ask them if their card will do 3.3v, or just plug one in and see if it works if you have one |
| 19:35:43 | GoRK | can some cards work on 3.3v OR 5v? |
| 19:36:45 | AlHazWork | GoRK: Yeah |
| 19:36:59 | AlHazWork | many cards only work on 5v |
| 19:37:05 | AlHazWork | a small handfull only work on 3.3v |
| 19:37:13 | AlHazWork | and several are either/or |
| 19:37:29 | GoRK | well this card might work then |
| 19:37:37 | zachh | AlHazWork: Thanks |
| 19:37:49 | GoRK | if so i'll post the info. cardctl ident spits out a message about what it is |
| 19:38:01 | GoRK | but i need to get a kernel to support it |
| 19:38:18 | GoRK | doing that now |
| 19:38:43 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: doesn't your microwindows distro have all the stuff for it? |
| 19:38:53 | GoRK | (just to test anyway) |
| 19:39:11 | zachh | AlHazWork: More specifically, is there a way to format the cf, linux reports that the partition table is invalid |
| 19:39:38 | AlHazWork | GoRK: the clear ones have like six LEDs . . . |
| 19:39:49 | GoRK | ok this is one |
| 19:39:55 | GoRK | the one on the photo has no led's |
| 19:40:20 | AlHazWork | GoRK: they're clear :) |
| 19:40:27 | GoRK | looks like serial numbers that start with 1800 are the blue kind (5v only) and 1700 and lower are 3.3/5 |
| 19:40:53 | GoRK | there is more circutry under the clear hood to drive those led's though. that's not on the box |
| 19:41:05 | AlHazWork | mine is 16045669 |
| 19:41:39 | GoRK | the one that didnt work was 18062602 |
| 19:41:58 | GoRK | the one that might (still checking) is 17001326 |
| 19:42:11 | AlHazWork | hmm, we need to bitch to trendware that it's irresponsible to change the product without changing the model number |
| 19:42:56 | GoRK | except that they are jicky taiwan crap. in all fairness the 1800+ cards look a hell of a lot better than the ones with the clear housing |
| 19:43:03 | GoRK | esp stuck in the top slot of the tux |
| 19:43:11 | AlHazWork | GoRK: got a picture anywhere? |
| 19:43:17 | GoRK | i can take one hold up |
| 19:44:10 | GoRK | agg crap i just wrote ramdisk into kernel |
| 19:44:27 | GoRK | why doesnt blob let you backspace |
| 19:44:45 | AlHazWork | i thought it did? might be terminal emulation problems |
| 19:53:54 | GoRK | AlHazWork: does yours work out of the box with the build system or did you have to edit anything? |
| 20:04:42 | AlHazWork | GoRK: I had to harass andersee and bzflag |
| 20:04:50 | AlHazWork | fixes arrived and then it worked |
| 20:04:54 | AlHazWork | well, it mostly works |
| 20:05:18 | AlHazWork | are you asking if the builder works or if the root fs & whatnot works? |
| 20:12:54 | GoRK | no the network card |
| 20:13:00 | GoRK | you have one of these same cards don't you? |
| 20:13:28 | GoRK | this card will do cardctl ident and return something |
| 20:13:39 | GoRK | but i cant run ifconfig on it |
| 20:23:59 | AlHazWork | Oh, well, with the buildsystem, I've only tried my LP-E |
| 20:24:05 | AlHazWork | which works anyway |
| 20:24:24 | AlHazWork | but i found that it wouldn't boot up properly if the nic was inserted when i booted |
| 20:24:38 | AlHazWork | and then I'd have to start rc.pcmcia myself |
| 20:26:16 | AlHazWork | with the trendnet nic, the old root fs needed tweaking before it would load pcnet_cs instead of axnet_cs |
| 20:26:29 | GoRK | which rootfs was that? |
| 20:26:32 | GoRK | 0.2 ? |
| 20:26:35 | AlHazWork | the, er, 0.3 |
| 20:26:39 | GoRK | ok |
| 20:26:44 | AlHazWork | I forget the date on the file |
| 20:26:51 | GoRK | what did you do ? the cd /etc/pcmcia ; cp config config.asix ; sed -e 's/axnet_cs/pcnet_cs/' < config.bak > config thing? |
| 20:27:10 | AlHazWork | Yeah |
| 20:27:39 | AlHazWork | which would prevent actual axnet nics from working, not that we had axnet_cs on the fs anyway |
| 20:27:50 | GoRK | ok |
| 20:56:59 | Russ | arghh...isn't this fun |
| 20:57:03 | GoRK | heh |
| 20:57:11 | GoRK | what is a good 10/100 nic that i can be sure works in the tux? |
| 20:57:19 | GoRK | this trendnet crap is driving me nuts |
| 20:58:06 | Russ | you're not going to get too much more than 10Mbit out of the pcmcia slots anyway |
| 20:59:31 | AlHazWork | Russ: I still need to benchmark it . . . I mean, the preconceptions about various bus interfaces are legion, it could get *some decent speed . . . but the pcmcia slots in a strongarm aren't likely to perform as well as some |
| 21:00:13 | AlHazWork | I mean, USB certianly can't really take advantage of a 100baseTX nic because it has barely enough bandwidth to handle 10baseT |
| 21:00:23 | AlHazWork | but that's not necesarily the case with pcmcia |
| 21:00:38 | Russ | the problem is the chips |
| 21:01:02 | Russ | the timings for pcmcia chips is designed around the timings for pcmcia slots |
| 21:01:19 | AlHazWork | I don't have the specs for that - what are they? |
| 21:01:35 | GoRK | yeah that's true but there's a lot of network overhead that gets eaten by the card anyway - before the bus |
| 21:01:49 | AlHazWork | I'm given to understand that pcmcia is isa-like, 16 bit, 8mhz or so, interrupts, io ports, shared memory, no DMA |
| 21:02:11 | GoRK | then i guess maybe i should just ask what is a good network card with a real ethernet jack on it that is going to work for sure? |
| 21:02:14 | Russ | there is DMA, but not on the strongarm |
| 21:02:18 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 21:02:33 | GoRK | i can't get this trendnet to work although cardctl ident returns something |
| 21:02:35 | Russ | kingston CIO10T |
| 21:02:37 | AlHazWork | I've never seen a pcmcia card use DMA in the usual ISA sense of a DMA channel |
| 21:02:50 | Russ | any compact flash card is 3.3V |
| 21:02:58 | Russ | most pccards aren't |
| 21:03:03 | AlHazWork | GoRK: What does cardctl ident return? |
| 21:03:14 | GoRK | hang on trying one more thing |
| 21:03:23 | AlHazWork | GoRK: Have you tried the instructions in the pcmcia_cs howto regarding adding support for an ne2k compatible nic? |
| 21:03:32 | BZFlag | well, any CF card is both 5v and 3.3v so it will run at 3.3v in the tux |
| 21:03:57 | GoRK | AlHazWork: from the wiki? |
| 21:04:01 | GoRK | i went through that |
| 21:04:02 | GoRK | Socket 1: |
| 21:04:02 | GoRK | product info: "Dual Speed", "10/100 Port Attached PC Card", "1.0", " " |
| 21:04:02 | GoRK | manfid: 0x0149, 0xc1ab |
| 21:04:03 | GoRK | function: 6 (network) |
| 21:04:13 | Russ | if its 5V, it won't work |
| 21:04:35 | AlHazWork | GoRK: no - http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| 21:04:55 | BZFlag | GoRK: grep /etc/pcmcia/config for "Dual Speed" and/or 0x0149, 0xc1ab |
| 21:05:28 | AlHazWork | Russ: I'll try and cook up some performance numbers for the trendnet nic in my notebook and then in the phone, sooner or later |
| 21:05:52 | Russ | AlHazWork: its mostly the strongarm waiting on its timings |
| 21:06:07 | AlHazWork | GoRK: that's exactly how my trendware nic is identified |
| 21:06:14 | AlHazWork | Russ: I can believe that |
| 21:06:16 | GoRK | BZFlag: im using the 'stock' 0.3 kernel/rootfs |
| 21:06:46 | AlHazWork | One thing a 100baseTX nic saves you regardless, on a large enough network, is the overhead involved in bridging between 100 and 10 networks |
| 21:06:55 | AlHazWork | makes it easier to deal with broadcast radiation, etc |
| 21:07:06 | AlHazWork | but that doesn't make a difference until your network is at least small company sized |
| 21:07:13 | kram | has returned. |
| 21:07:45 | GoRK | shouldnt carcmgr load the pcnet_cs module automatically? i dont have to do that manually do i? |
| 21:08:09 | AlHazWork | GoRK: Not just should, it has to. I don't think you can load it manually and have it work. not easily, at least |
| 21:08:39 | Russ | AlHazWork: the timings can be adjusted if the chip will take them |
| 21:08:46 | GoRK | ok here goes again |
| 21:09:00 | BZFlag | GoRK: see /etc/pcmcia/config what ever that says is what gets loaded. |
| 21:09:34 | GoRK | hey! whoot |
| 21:09:50 | GoRK | it works |
| 21:09:54 | GoRK | yay. headache gone |
| 21:09:57 | AlHazWork | GoRK: the new blue ones work? |
| 21:10:00 | GoRK | no |
| 21:10:03 | AlHazWork | oh, ok |
| 21:10:06 | GoRK | the newer clear ones work |
| 21:10:11 | AlHazWork | what does cardctl ident say about the blue ones? |
| 21:10:16 | GoRK | hang on |
| 21:11:13 | GoRK | with the blue ones i get: |
| 21:11:14 | GoRK | Socket 0: |
| 21:11:14 | GoRK | 3.3V 16-bit PC Card |
| 21:11:15 | GoRK | function 0: [ready] |
| 21:11:27 | GoRK | but ident returns |
| 21:11:28 | GoRK | Socket 0: |
| 21:11:28 | GoRK | no product info available |
| 21:11:50 | AlHazWork | I've worked with extremely large bridged networks where there was easily 4 or 5 mbit/sec of broadcast junk. 10baseT nics are totally screwed in that sort of situation. |
| 21:12:45 | AlHazWork | no ammount of switching will do anything for it. slow it down, maybe. |
| 21:13:42 | AlHazWork | GoRK: That sure sounds like the card just doesn't come up at all at 3.3v |
| 21:13:49 | GoRK | right |
| 21:13:54 | AlHazWork | I'd send it back |
| 21:14:05 | AlHazWork | it's not the product you ordred |
| 21:14:07 | GoRK | the manual for both the clear ones and the blue ones say 5V but the clear ones work at 3.3 |
| 21:14:08 | AlHazWork | even if the box says it is |
| 21:14:15 | GoRK | it's too bad |
| 21:14:17 | GoRK | ill show you a pic |
| 21:14:25 | GoRK | it is sweet looking and fits in the top slot |
| 21:15:27 | GoRK | http://www.blurbco.com/~gork/tuxscreen/gork-borked-nic.jpg |
| 21:16:37 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 21:16:52 | AlHazWork | do I remember someone saying they tried the DLink 670txd and it didn't work? |
| 21:17:16 | zachh | has anybody heard anything about hawkings cards? |
| 21:17:16 | kram | is away - Not here right now, sorry... - Your msgs will be saved. |
| 21:17:30 | GoRK | hawkings CF cards? |
| 21:17:30 | AlHazWork | zachh: just from you. Why do you ask? |
| 21:18:06 | zachh | i can get one real cheap |
| 21:18:13 | zachh | not cf just plain pcmcia |
| 21:18:26 | zachh | i hate waiting for mail order stuff! |
| 21:18:34 | AlHazWork | zachh: model number? |
| 21:19:14 | BZFlag | still has like 7 cio10t cards at $30 each |
| 21:19:21 | zachh | PN652TX / PN650TX |
| 21:20:26 | AlHazWork | http://www.dlink.com/products/adapters/dmf560txd/ <-- May be the same stinkin nic as the TE100-PC16R |
| 21:20:52 | AlHazWork | er, wait, that's a combo nic/modem |
| 21:20:56 | AlHazWork | looks awfully similar tho |
| 21:20:57 | zachh | yea |
| 21:21:14 | zachh | the hawking page is down else I would give a link |
| 21:23:11 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 21:23:24 | zachh | this has a suprisingly similar model number http://www.dlink.com/products/adapters/dfe650tx/ |
| 21:23:52 | AlHazWork | http://www.provantage.com/scripts/go.dll/magnify//HW_54054.GIF |
| 21:24:02 | zachh | i cant remember, though, if anybody had luck with these d-links |
| 21:24:02 | AlHazWork | that looks shockingly similar to the trendnet nic, except it's black |
| 21:24:16 | mallum | GoRK: do you have any shots of picogui running on the tuxscreen ? |
| 21:24:24 | zachh | indeed |
| 21:25:04 | zachh | AlHazWork: do you think its worth a try? |
| 21:25:55 | AlHazWork | zachh: Yeah |
| 21:26:02 | zachh | cool |
| 21:26:11 | AlHazWork | it's a gamble, of course, but it's worth a try |
| 21:26:42 | zachh | sure.... |
| 21:27:19 | GoRK | mallum: on the wiki |
| 21:27:31 | GoRK | mallum: they're crappy from my webcam |
| 21:27:58 | zachh | GoRK: are you going to make an image for pico? |
| 21:28:05 | AlHazWork | I've decided that D-Link doesn't want people to know what they sell . . . since it's so freakin hard to find any sort of a complete index of products |
| 21:28:16 | zachh | heh |
| 21:28:39 | GoRK | yeah once i get 1) keyboard driver 2) console blanking 3) terminal |
| 21:28:45 | zachh | cool |
| 21:29:02 | GoRK | there is also an issue of the mouse cursor leaving garbage behind that i want to address before a 'release' |
| 21:29:40 | GoRK | well this one pings |
| 21:30:14 | GoRK | so ill just send these two back and ask if they can send me lower serial numbers of the others |
| 21:30:21 | GoRK | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=1.4 ms |
| 21:31:42 | AlHazWork | 802.11b cf card from dlink . . . two hundred bucks |
| 21:33:18 | haydnjones | is 802.11b wireless network? |
| 21:33:31 | zachh | yep |
| 21:33:59 | haydnjones | is a ob b the standard one? |
| 21:34:07 | AlHazWork | a doesn't exist |
| 21:34:10 | AlHazWork | b is the standard |
| 21:40:15 | haydnjones | i hered of an unwired village in the us which uses the non standard.... but no-one realy wants it their |
| 21:41:21 | GoRK | a does exist, there is just not equipment that talks 802.11a |
| 21:41:35 | GoRK | well.. not for public consumption yet |
| 21:41:54 | haydnjones | i see-- just a concept |
| 21:42:13 | GoRK | there is some mmds equipment that some companies have in beta that works at 2.5ghz that uses (roughly) the 802.11a standard at 45mb but we (ahem) don't know about it yet |
| 21:42:48 | GoRK | it's licensed spectrum, so it's not like the public could use it until they produce the 2.4ghz equipment |
| 21:47:26 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Does that 802.11B CF card work? |
| 21:47:51 | mallum | GoRK: looks really nice ! |
| 21:47:53 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I still haven't seen the one curt said he was going to loan us |
| 21:48:28 | AlHazWork | next time I see duck i'll ask him about it |
| 21:48:36 | GoRK | mallum: thanks |
| 21:49:21 | mallum | GoRK: did you build from the picogui cvs stuff ? |
| 21:49:49 | GoRK | yes. against uclibc |
| 21:50:01 | andersee | GoRK: ehh? |
| 21:50:02 | GoRK | and had to write a ts driver |
| 21:50:06 | GoRK | talking to mallum |
| 21:50:09 | andersee | ahh |
| 21:50:14 | GoRK | got my nics |
| 21:50:26 | GoRK | a fiasco but two out of 4 work |
| 21:50:32 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I've been ruminating about the TS driver all day, and I gotta tell you that I am stumped.... |
| 21:51:29 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thats ok |
| 21:51:44 | mallum | GoRK: will you make you patches publically available |
| 21:52:49 | GoRK | mallum: of course. i hope that they'll just put them in picogui cvs |
| 21:54:33 | zachh | anybody know where i can get the ide_info binary? |
| 21:54:44 | haydnjones | anyone here involved with the tuxscreen directely? |
| 21:55:30 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: yes, I'm touching one right now |
| 21:55:42 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: We tried Shaggy's method of reading the four edges of the screen, but that no effect on the boxes with the broken TS |
| 21:56:02 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: but I'm not "involved" with it per se, we're just, you know, aquainted |
| 21:56:13 | AlHazWork | it's a working relationship, really |
| 21:56:32 | mallum | GoRK: are you involved with the general dev of picogui ? |
| 21:56:43 | GoRK | mallum: no. i just like the concept |
| 21:56:46 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: You love your work too much, eh? |
| 21:56:50 | haydnjones | i am intrested in it and would would like advice on weather oi should get one |
| 21:56:54 | CosmicPenguin | Yes |
| 21:57:04 | CosmicPenguin | Buy two.... |
| 21:57:14 | mallum | GoRK: If I can figure it out Id like to maybe write some python bindings for it |
| 21:57:55 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: We can answer whatever questions you have |
| 21:58:05 | AlHazWork | and if we don't know the answer we'll make stuff up :) |
| 21:58:18 | haydnjones | can i use a compact flash pcima as a small hd? |
| 21:58:30 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: Several of us are doing that, yes |
| 21:58:52 | GoRK | mallum: there are already perl bindings for it. it should be easy. just check out cli_perl out of cvs |
| 21:59:02 | haydnjones | i am not a programer mind |
| 21:59:11 | GoRK | mallum: it works over tcp/ip |
| 21:59:30 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: that's ok, neither am i |
| 22:00:04 | AlHazWork | compactflash memory cards are ATA devices, when you plug one into the tuxscreen (using a pcmcia adapter - they're very cheap), it will show up as an IDE hard disk |
| 22:00:07 | AlHazWork | /dev/hda even |
| 22:00:39 | haydnjones | can you instal to a second hd in linux? |
| 22:01:12 | haydnjones | i havent got a verson of linux on my new comp.. i cant find one that works |
| 22:01:37 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I spose I'll try to write up some makefile scripts for Microwindows for the buildroot tonight..... |
| 22:01:40 | haydnjones | and run app off it... dont they have to be in certain directorys? |
| 22:02:11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 22:02:31 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 22:02:45 | prpplague | i was thinking of ordering one of the tuxscreens for dev work |
| 22:03:10 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I need to udate my phone -- I wrote all that stuff and still havn |
| 22:03:24 | prpplague | is it a nice platform to work with? |
| 22:03:25 | andersee | err. Still havn't flashed it with the new buildroot image |
| 22:03:29 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: whether you can run particular programs varies from program to program |
| 22:03:41 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: if you are new to linux, the tuxscreen might be a little bit more advanced than you can handle |
| 22:03:51 | AlHazWork | unless you have a lot of other unix experience |
| 22:04:46 | haydnjones | i have a klot of time to learn.. want it for intrest n uni |
| 22:05:07 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 22:05:21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Its a most excellent platform.... |
| 22:05:25 | AlHazWork | you can have at least 255 hard drives in linux, depending on what your hardware will allow |
| 22:06:02 | haydnjones | is the cpu 1333 or 206? |
| 22:06:07 | haydnjones | 133 |
| 22:06:39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows the support for it under linux so far? |
| 22:06:45 | ctr | hey all |
| 22:07:28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: most excellent... there are really only two sticking points at the moment.... we can't access the phone DSP (for caller ID, etc...) and there seems to be a problem with the touchscreen driver |
| 22:08:00 | CosmicPenguin | The touchscreens on some of the boxes don't work with Linux for some reason |
| 22:08:08 | andersee | I suspect both of those will be cleared up though, now that we've got the other things straightened out |
| 22:08:17 | haydnjones | how is it so cheap? |
| 22:08:27 | ctr | CosmicPenguin, hi :) |
| 22:08:41 | andersee | Because our friends a Philips payed for building them. |
| 22:08:58 | andersee | Then decided they werent going to make money and dumped them... |
| 22:09:04 | haydnjones | rejects/surplus stocks? |
| 22:09:17 | CosmicPenguin | ctr - How are things going? |
| 22:09:21 | haydnjones | i see |
| 22:09:31 | ctr | CosmicPenguin, not to bad, itching for my tuxscrenn to arrive :) |
| 22:09:51 | haydnjones | because the have the same specks to ipac dont they? |
| 22:10:00 | CosmicPenguin | I'll bet..... It probably has to take a slow boat and spend many days in customs.... |
| 22:10:10 | ctr | nah |
| 22:10:16 | ctr | should be here in a coupla days |
| 22:10:26 | haydnjones | where are you cosmick? |
| 22:10:38 | haydnjones | where are you cosmic? |
| 22:10:52 | CosmicPenguin | Utah |
| 22:11:23 | haydnjones | coustoms??? where are the coming from?? |
| 22:12:12 | CosmicPenguin | ctr lives across the pond.... :) |
| 22:12:18 | ctr | yeah |
| 22:12:23 | haydnjones | uk? |
| 22:12:30 | ctr | i hope my touch screen works under lunix |
| 22:12:41 | ctr | but thats not necessary for my plans just yet :) |
| 22:12:44 | ctr | haydnjones, yep |
| 22:12:50 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Have you gotten enough serial numbers to determine good boxes vs bad boxes? |
| 22:13:17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've been working on learning sa based system, guess i'll place an order tomorow, thanks for the info |
| 22:13:29 | zachh | speaking of which I will add my box to the list of working screens |
| 22:13:34 | haydnjones | so the post to sansea wil be quite cheap then? |
| 22:13:39 | haydnjones | swansea |
| 22:13:40 | zachh | after i find the serial number |
| 22:14:39 | SubOpt | has anyone gotten the qt palmtop environment up/running on the tuxscreen? |
| 22:15:15 | CosmicPenguin | Somebody was working on that...... hold on a second |
| 22:15:52 | CosmicPenguin | SamMulvey has some stuff on the Wiki about that.... |
| 22:16:08 | CosmicPenguin | That would be vosque... :) |
| 22:16:26 | GoRK | yeah it's huge though |
| 22:16:43 | SubOpt | is there a quick way to search a wiki for nodes? and what is vosque? |
| 22:16:47 | haydnjones | what is wiki? |
| 22:16:58 | CosmicPenguin | vosque is a IRC name for SamMulvey... :) |
| 22:17:16 | GoRK | supopt just type graphicsengine in the box as the top right |
| 22:17:45 | GoRK | there is no touchscreen driver for qpe yet |
| 22:18:36 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... I would have thought that QPE would work on the assabet..... |
| 22:19:00 | ctr | bbl |
| 22:19:15 | SubOpt | thanks, guys. this whole tuxscreen thing sounds pretty cool. (and the cheapest assabet i can find is several hundred $) |
| 22:19:22 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: dunno. vosque couldnt get it working |
| 22:19:51 | GoRK | i want to replace the screen with active matrix |
| 22:19:58 | CosmicPenguin | Wierd..... I'm also surprised it wouldn't fit in 3MB... i thought QPE was just as small as Microwindows.... |
| 22:20:16 | GoRK | well it's C++ too and so he's cramming glibc in there |
| 22:20:31 | GoRK | probably not static |
| 22:20:52 | GoRK | he kept saying he is going for the smallest glibc based distro he can make |
| 22:20:57 | haydnjones | you can replace the scren? |
| 22:21:13 | GoRK | i aim to |
| 22:21:30 | haydnjones | can you get 100's of cols? |
| 22:21:30 | GoRK | you can replace anything that will detatch :) |
| 22:21:58 | zachh | does anybody know where i can pick up ide_info as a binary, i want to put it on my tuxscreen |
| 22:21:59 | haydnjones | can someont tel me the cpuspeed? |
| 22:22:10 | zachh | it says it is missing when I insert my cf card |
| 22:22:22 | GoRK | 106-206MHz |
| 22:23:08 | andersee | haydnjones: You can overclock 'em up to 206Mhz |
| 22:23:22 | haydnjones | safe? |
| 22:23:44 | AlHazWork | currently they are stable at 197mhz or therabouts in linux |
| 22:24:45 | haydnjones | ca you put one of the ps1 screens on it you think? |
| 22:27:28 | GoRK | ok i can't get this card working now using the image i made with the build system.... i changed /etc/pcmcia/config and apparently i have the pcnet driver. .. but it is compiled directly into the kernel |
| 22:27:44 | GoRK | does it have to be a module or what |
| 22:30:17 | prpplague | sounds like this channel has more strongarm development gurus than #handhelds.org |
| 22:30:39 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: ps1 screen? what? |
| 22:30:43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: they have alot of the same grurus from #handhelds.org... :) |
| 22:31:01 | AlHazWork | GoRK: no that's fine, but cardmgr has to be running |
| 22:31:11 | AlHazWork | GoRK: nothing happens without the card manager . . . |
| 22:32:19 | haydnjones | a screan that fits on to the ps1 console.... can something like this be adapted tpoo work on the tuxscreen?? |
| 22:32:25 | AlHazWork | GoRK: I had to manually start /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia on mine |
| 22:32:43 | AlHazWork | haydnjones: *shrug* What I know about LCD interfaces could fill a thimble |
| 22:33:30 | AlHazWork | I'm pretty sure they're digital. and they have sometimes a few wires, and sometimes a lot of wires. And they're often different. |
| 22:33:41 | AlHazWork | that's about it |
| 22:34:25 | AlHazWork | you could start by reading intel's datasheets for the SA1100 processor, and then by figuring out what display is in the PS1 screen and find a datasheet for that |
| 22:35:55 | AlHazWork | I've even seen lcd interfaces that had a lot of pins but not so many wires. |
| 22:36:04 | haydnjones | you know more than me.. was just wondering |
| 22:40:12 | GoRK | AlHazWork: i got it now! |
| 22:40:39 | AlHazWork | GoRK: cool :) |
| 22:41:06 | GoRK | haydnjones: i doubt it. that screen probably accepts only NTSC and is therefore too low resolution for the phone. plus there is no touchscreen |
| 22:41:07 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Trendnet, right? |
| 22:41:27 | GoRK | TrendNET's new slogan should be: "WE SUCK ASS!" |
| 22:41:55 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: did you hear about my 5v fiasco? |
| 22:42:10 | CosmicPenguin | I did. That sucks. |
| 22:42:34 | haydnjones | their is a pal version |
| 22:42:38 | CosmicPenguin | I have lead such a charmed life with the Tuxscreen - The touchscreen works, and my trendnet worked first time right out of the box..... |
| 22:42:46 | CosmicPenguin | I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop...:( |
| 22:42:55 | GoRK | hey wait does this thing try to switch_root to nfs if it has the nic in there on boot? |
| 22:43:07 | GoRK | argh |
| 22:43:08 | GoRK | ok |
| 22:43:13 | GoRK | at least it's working |
| 22:44:41 | AlHazWork | GoRK: I think it might |
| 22:45:02 | AlHazWork | GoRK: And i think it doesn't recover if the dhcp server doesn't pass it a root fs location |
| 22:45:25 | AlHazWork | GoRK: not that udhcpc will work until you give some script execute permissions, unless that's fixed |
| 22:45:44 | andersee | AlHazWork: lemme check that one... |
| 22:46:02 | AlHazWork | I forget the path & filename . . . |
| 22:46:23 | GoRK | i got it |
| 22:47:15 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 22:48:06 | mallum | GoRK: when I try and run the picogui demo apps I get - Error opening file in pgFromFile() - do you know how I fix that ? |
| 22:54:00 | GoRK | mallum: are you running this on the tuxscreen? |
| 22:54:06 | GoRK | or on your computer? |
| 22:54:26 | mallum | yeah on my laptop, with sdl |
| 22:54:39 | GoRK | well the filenames are hardcoded into the programs |
| 22:54:54 | GoRK | some need parameters |
| 22:55:06 | GoRK | if you want to run imgview you have to do ./imgview <image> |
| 22:55:16 | GoRK | and image has to be an absolute path i think |
| 22:55:37 | GoRK | otherwise usually they look for data under ./apps/data/* |
| 22:55:58 | GoRK | err actually |
| 22:56:01 | GoRK | it's ./demos/data |
| 22:56:17 | GoRK | so if you go into the cli_c directory and exec apps from there they wil work |
| 22:57:20 | mallum | ok I got flying tux running ;) |
| 22:57:54 | mallum | I guess themedemo needs something passed to it |
| 22:58:05 | mallum | are there any docs yet for it ? |
| 22:59:38 | GoRK | themedemo needs you to specify a .th file |
| 22:59:49 | GoRK | it is an on-the-fly theme switcher |
| 23:00:02 | GoRK | well those are just mostly useless demo apps (except maybe pterm) |
| 23:00:08 | GoRK | there are docs on the api, yeah |
| 23:01:07 | GoRK | hmm udhcpc doesnt seem to be getting an ip on my setup |
| 23:02:04 | mallum | where abouts are they in /doc ? I do a make in there and it seems like Im missing some needed executables |
| 23:02:52 | andersee | GoRK: I just updated the device_table so the udhcp script is executable.... |
| 23:03:51 | GoRK | i changed it manually but it still isnt working |
| 23:03:58 | GoRK | it's probably my dhcp server |
| 23:04:08 | GoRK | i use one of those linksys gateway jobbers |
| 23:04:35 | andersee | Can you run tcpdump and watch the traffic on the wire? |
| 23:09:04 | CosmicPenguin | 3634 virus hits today.... |
| 23:10:19 | CosmicPenguin | Well, good bye all...... |
| 23:23:05 | GoRK | well i found out that my pterm problem is in the picogui server and i found out that my cursor problem is also in the server! |
