| 00:07:19 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 01:08:59 | BZFlag | andersee: built, not yet tested. back in a bit |
| 01:37:03 | lordkiwi | I just ordered an audrey |
| 01:47:33 | loopstart | whats the interface from the LCD and whats the interface from the touch screen? are the reusable else where? |
| 01:49:42 | Aelhaz | thought i told you last night |
| 01:49:54 | Aelhaz | the lcd is connected to the lcd controller on the SA1100 |
| 01:50:03 | Aelhaz | the touchscreen is connected to the UCB1200 |
| 01:50:31 | Aelhaz | The touchscreen and LCD are useable for other projects, yes, but Tim won't sell you a tux phone for that |
| 01:50:44 | Aelhaz | the LCD and touchscreen are worth at least $150 |
| 01:51:12 | loopstart | i realize that, but if all else fails i will be wanting to use the parts elsewhere |
| 01:51:48 | lordkiwi | its not like the LCD uses a VGA connector |
| 01:51:55 | Aelhaz | of course not |
| 01:52:04 | Aelhaz | the touchscreen is a normal 4 connector sorta touchscreen |
| 01:52:15 | Aelhaz | the lcd is, well, the info is on the wiki, go look for yourself |
| 01:55:41 | loopstart | im wondering if i can translate thias to a serial signal |
| 01:56:41 | Aelhaz | I sincerely doubt it |
| 01:56:56 | Aelhaz | without hooking up a touchscreen controller to a serial port, I mean |
| 01:57:07 | Aelhaz | it's just a resistive touchscreen |
| 01:57:43 | loopstart | that connector for the LCD on the board, looks like a std 50 pin for LCD panels, is this true? |
| 01:57:51 | Aelhaz | probably |
| 01:58:04 | Aelhaz | it might be in one of the schematics online |
| 01:59:03 | loopstart | loading.. adobe reader sucks |
| 02:45:36 | GoRK | it probably only drives DSTN panels though |
| 02:45:47 | Aelhaz | evenin andersee |
| 02:45:58 | Aelhaz | GoRK: dunno, but the sa1100 docs are easy to come by at least |
| 02:46:23 | andersee | howdy |
| 03:23:45 | vosque | Hmm |
| 03:23:52 | vosque | has anyone tried QPE with the tux yet? |
| 03:23:57 | andersee | QPE? |
| 03:24:08 | vosque | http://qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 03:24:14 | vosque | I'm going to give it a try now |
| 03:24:16 | Aelhaz | qt palm environment |
| 03:24:22 | vosque | if it works I'll tack it onto the wiki |
| 03:24:48 | Aelhaz | the ipaq version probably needs only minimal adjustments |
| 03:25:22 | vosque | if the Xipaq X server works, I can't see why it wouldn't work as well. |
| 03:25:32 | vosque | probably only need to change the resolution |
| 03:26:02 | Aelhaz | qt embedded uses fbdev |
| 03:26:04 | Aelhaz | no x |
| 03:26:10 | vosque | yes |
| 03:26:13 | vosque | but it's the same hardware |
| 03:26:16 | vosque | you se |
| 03:26:18 | vosque | +e, :) |
| 03:26:19 | GoRK | QTE, Microwindows(Nano-X), Xipaq, PicoGUI, yada yada |
| 03:26:35 | vosque | I'm using QPE on my ipaq |
| 03:26:39 | vosque | it's rather nice. |
| 03:26:48 | vosque | lacks for applications, though. |
| 03:27:07 | Aelhaz | vosque: I've run familiar on my phone. the rez was fine, the orientation was wrong |
| 03:27:18 | vosque | okay. |
| 03:27:31 | vosque | I'm downloading familiar-task-complete right now.. |
| 03:27:38 | vosque | and I've already got qpe 1.3.0 ipkg's |
| 03:27:59 | vosque | hasn't seen if qt/e and qpe works with uClib |
| 03:28:04 | vosque | I'll hit the list. |
| 03:29:37 | andersee | vosque: If it doesn't work, lemme know and I'll fix uClibc. :) |
| 03:29:45 | vosque | okay. |
| 03:30:00 | vosque | will familiarize himself with uClibc |
| 03:30:10 | vosque | I'll probably be asking a lot about it in the near term. |
| 03:30:19 | vosque | would like IPSec on his phone. |
| 03:30:34 | andersee | Nothing too much to get used too, since I use glibc headers... Just don't count on threads and locales. |
| 03:30:44 | GoRK | ipsec would probably run fine already |
| 03:31:00 | andersee | if it doesn't, I want to know about it. |
| 03:31:02 | vosque | Alll that it requires that's strange is libgmp |
| 03:32:15 | vosque | qhoa |
| 03:32:18 | vosque | whoa |
| 03:32:20 | vosque | 1.4 came out |
| 03:32:27 | vosque | Looks like a busy evening for me! |
| 03:32:41 | andersee | 1.4? |
| 03:32:50 | vosque | qpe 1.4 |
| 03:32:53 | vosque | I still have 1.3 |
| 03:33:37 | GoRK | how small can you get glibc anyway? |
| 03:33:43 | andersee | Hmm. qpe uses c++ because it is based on qt, right? |
| 03:34:00 | vosque | oh hell |
| 03:34:02 | GoRK | yes |
| 03:34:04 | vosque | yes, it does. |
| 03:34:05 | vosque | silly me |
| 03:34:26 | andersee | c++ is still a problem -- I havn't fixed global constructors/destructors and libstdc++ doesn't yet work. |
| 03:34:39 | vosque | yeah |
| 03:34:41 | andersee | I know what to do -- just need to do it. |
| 03:34:41 | vosque | I read that. |
| 03:34:46 | vosque | Ah well, soon, soon. :) |
| 03:34:56 | GoRK | andersee: is that jffs problem fix in cvs? |
| 03:35:28 | andersee | GoRK: yup. just 'cd buildroot-tux/mtd/util ; cvs up; make' and you should be ok. |
| 03:35:48 | vosque | another neat thing about QPE is Konqueror/Embedded.. |
| 03:35:59 | vosque | though the ipkg for it is huge. |
| 03:36:38 | GoRK | this is on cvs.infradead.org? |
| 03:38:40 | andersee | yup. But if you are using the buildroot, the snapshot is all setup for anon cvs. |
| 03:38:53 | andersee | The mtd snapshot that is. |
| 03:39:36 | GoRK | well i had to login but i got it |
| 03:41:41 | andersee | I also fixed up jffs2reader a bit to show symlink targets and major/minor on device nodes |
| 03:43:05 | GoRK | cool. well it finds init now |
| 03:43:19 | andersee | Wohoo! Very cool. |
| 03:43:23 | GoRK | i still get this error: |
| 03:43:24 | GoRK | Child dir "." (ino #1) of dir ino #1 appears to be a hard link |
| 03:43:36 | GoRK | and then these: |
| 03:43:45 | GoRK | init: can't resolve symbol '_stderr' |
| 03:43:51 | GoRK | init: can't resolve symbol '_stdin' |
| 03:43:54 | GoRK | init: can't resolve symbol '_stdout' |
| 03:43:56 | GoRK | and hang |
| 03:44:24 | GoRK | err well i dont know if it's completly hung since i dont think it's set up for serial console... *shrug* |
| 03:44:53 | andersee | Well, if init failed to resolve some symbols, you are indeed hosed. |
| 03:45:21 | GoRK | hmm yeah but it's no longer the jffs because it can find init now |
| 03:45:47 | andersee | Did you start from a totally clean uClibc snapshot, or did you reuse an existing uClibc tree? |
| 03:46:27 | GoRK | i used whatever buildroot-tux downloaded |
| 03:46:36 | andersee | k, just checking |
| 03:46:39 | GoRK | unless there has been an update since this morning |
| 03:46:49 | GoRK | want me to try it completely clean? |
| 03:46:55 | GoRK | redownload and everything |
| 03:47:12 | andersee | that _stderr stuff shouldn't be happening... |
| 03:47:36 | GoRK | lemme recompile from scratch |
| 03:48:05 | andersee | I'm going to try building again and then try chroot into it on my NetWinder... |
| 03:48:09 | GoRK | starting with cvs co buildroot-tux |
| 03:54:54 | KumaSan | how good is the tuxscreen display in sunlight? |
| 03:55:08 | GoRK | ooh that's not going to be pretty |
| 03:55:34 | KumaSan | GoRK: the display? |
| 03:55:36 | Aelhaz | it's a transmissive screen |
| 03:55:44 | Aelhaz | so my guess is "not at all" |
| 03:55:44 | GoRK | yeah it's going to be pretty bad |
| 03:55:55 | GoRK | it's bad enough in room light |
| 03:55:56 | KumaSan | can a trransflective screen be replaced? what is the interface? |
| 03:56:22 | KumaSan | frankly, for $99, I am interested in the main board |
| 03:57:10 | GoRK | if it's compatible with a Sharp LM8V31 DSTN screen it should work |
| 03:57:40 | GoRK | Sharp probably made several compatible panels |
| 03:57:44 | KumaSan | GoRK: good point. I don't know what interface the sharp uses, but Sharp is usually pretty good about documenting stuff |
| 03:58:19 | KumaSan | anyone take the main board out and use it w/o the rest of the thing? What's the current draw? |
| 03:58:42 | Meatsicle | how do I quit vi? |
| 03:58:49 | andersee | :q! |
| 03:59:00 | KumaSan | Meatsicle: escape then q or use zz |
| 03:59:28 | KumaSan | Meatsicle: but zz will write the file first |
| 04:00:38 | GoRK | 1.21 Jiggawatts |
| 04:01:04 | Meatsicle | 1.21 |
| 04:01:11 | Meatsicle | got it |
| 04:01:19 | KumaSan | hmm, from the wiki page, the ps provides no more than 600mA@5V amd 1.25A@3.3V doesn't look too bad |
| 04:01:59 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 04:02:14 | Aelhaz | so if you really wanted to battery power it, a couple infolithiums should do it |
| 04:02:35 | Aelhaz | but the screen may be entirely unreadable under sunlight |
| 04:03:52 | KumaSan | Aelhaz: more interested really in the main board, the Screen would be gravy for what I want |
| 04:05:12 | Aelhaz | KumaSan: I'm not sure how dependent the main board is on the board that holds the dsp, etc, and connects to the screen |
| 04:05:24 | Aelhaz | KumaSan: each board isn't particularly large, but they are off-set |
| 04:05:33 | Aelhaz | the end of one plugs into the middle of the other |
| 04:05:41 | Aelhaz | so together they are a little cumbersome |
| 04:06:10 | KumaSan | Aelhaz: that's the communication board? |
| 04:06:20 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 04:07:03 | GoRK | andersee: it's hung up trying to get --00:00:33-- http://tinylogin.lineo.com/tinylogin.patch |
| 04:07:48 | KumaSan | Aelhaz: all I really need is the mainboard with the pcmcia slots. |
| 04:07:51 | andersee | Odd. It shouldn't be fetching such a thing. |
| 04:08:05 | GoRK | *shrug* |
| 04:08:23 | andersee | Grr. BZFlag made a mistake... |
| 04:08:38 | GoRK | Makefile:TINYLOGIN_SNAPSHOT=tinylogin.patch |
| 04:08:51 | andersee | +TINYLOGIN_SNAPSHOT=tinylogin.tar.gz |
| 04:10:03 | GoRK | roger that |
| 04:10:20 | GoRK | hey there it goes! |
| 04:10:28 | andersee | :) |
| 04:11:39 | GoRK | ok now it's done compiling from scratch and no errors cept for that one |
| 04:11:48 | GoRK | it even downloaded the kernel source and the whole bit |
| 04:12:00 | GoRK | so now i am putting it on the phone |
| 04:12:04 | andersee | Pretty cool, huh? :) |
| 04:12:45 | vosque | neat that you don't have to download the kernel source if you've already got it. :) |
| 04:13:03 | GoRK | if you just stick it in the source dir it's all good |
| 04:13:18 | vosque | I have 2.4.4 and patch all the way through 9 |
| 04:13:24 | vosque | so I make a tarball up to 7 |
| 04:15:32 | KumaSan | does the IR kbd work ok with the system? The more I look at this the more I want one to just play with :) |
| 04:16:08 | KumaSan | The only real downside is not builtin 10BaseT, but the pcmcia card slots are okay for that |
| 04:16:09 | andersee | Mine works fine, though I probably need some new batteries.... |
| 04:16:55 | GoRK | ok this is writing to flash |
| 04:17:24 | GoRK | oh.. and i did cvs up from the nbd/utils directory since i saw that it downloaded a snapshot that didnt contain the changes |
| 04:18:09 | andersee | mtd/utils you mean? |
| 04:18:17 | GoRK | err yeah |
| 04:18:18 | GoRK | sorry |
| 04:18:29 | andersee | Lemme check when the last daily snapshot was made, perhaps I can update that |
| 04:19:30 | KumaSan | anyone try openssh with this yet? |
| 04:21:25 | KumaSan | can you replace the 8MB sodimm with a bigger one like 32MB? |
| 04:21:32 | KumaSan | (sorry, so many ???) |
| 04:21:53 | vosque | A lot of those questions are already in the wiki, iirc. |
| 04:22:27 | KumaSan | vosque: yeah, I am starting to find that out, I am new to wiki, so much info grin :) |
| 04:22:44 | vosque | heh |
| 04:22:44 | vosque | yeah |
| 04:22:48 | vosque | takes some getting used to |
| 04:23:04 | GoRK | does blob support flow control on the serial port? |
| 04:23:32 | GoRK | hmm software flow contrl |
| 04:23:40 | GoRK | maybe my download of the image was screwing up |
| 04:24:21 | vosque | okay.. what is this 'audrey' thing? |
| 04:29:04 | GoRK | now i get the no init found thing |
| 04:29:16 | GoRK | argh. i wonder if my binary is messed up |
| 04:33:19 | GoRK | hmm no /linuxrc |
| 04:33:37 | KumaSan | dang, this thing looks like more fun that a bucket of wired weasels, how much did these things not sell for? |
| 04:34:25 | GoRK | 650 |
| 04:35:17 | KumaSan | GoRK: well, I can understand them not moving for that. |
| 04:36:37 | GoRK | argh... this sucks |
| 04:37:01 | GoRK | i presume everything works on your end? :) |
| 04:37:32 | GoRK | the buildroot script did not make a /linuxrc in the root |
| 04:37:55 | vosque_ | :(\ |
| 04:39:52 | KumaSan | the wiki page seems somewhat ambiguous about the CPU speed, is it 206MHz or 133? or do the ssytems differ? |
| 04:40:48 | GoRK | it can be set in software |
| 04:41:32 | KumaSan | GoRK: ok, can you change it w/o rebooting? |
| 04:41:45 | KumaSan | GoRK: speaking of which, how fast is the startup? |
| 04:41:49 | andersen | GoRK: Since we are not running as an initrd, no /linuxrc is needed |
| 04:44:06 | GoRK | oh |
| 04:44:32 | GoRK | well im getting that same message as before |
| 04:44:44 | GoRK | im going to make sure my busybox binary runs properly |
| 04:46:27 | KumaSan | is there an easier way to install linux than the install process listed on the wiki page, using the pcmcia slot for a HD or ethernet card? Or am I whining too much? |
| 04:48:37 | GoRK | no not really |
| 04:48:45 | GoRK | not yet anyway |
| 04:49:20 | KumaSan | hmm, I assume the difficulty is install blob in the first place? |
| 04:50:27 | KumaSan | things are complicated for me because I don't have a windows box. Can Blob be installed from linux? |
| 04:50:30 | GoRK | well it was the difficulty. blob is actually pretty easy to install once you get inferno remote working |
| 04:50:38 | GoRK | yes i installed it under linux |
| 04:50:49 | KumaSan | GoRK: ah, cool |
| 04:50:51 | vosque | KumaSan: I used linux to install infernoremote and everything.. It was real easy. |
| 04:51:35 | KumaSan | vosque: cool, reading the infernoremote stuff now. |
| 04:51:50 | vosque | The inferno stuff is actually kinda neat. |
| 04:51:58 | vosque | I'll be playing with it a little more at some point. |
| 04:52:55 | KumaSan | vosque: inferno does look like fun, but I don't know it well enough to do more than play with it. |
| 04:53:18 | KumaSan | vosque: although the temptation is to buy 2 phones and leave one standard |
| 04:56:46 | KumaSan | BZFlag: you are the Tim Riker who is selling these items yes? |
| 04:59:09 | KumaSan | later all, |
| 05:02:36 | BZFlag | is, but he's gone. |
| 05:03:19 | GoRK | argh i dont think busybox is building properly |
| 05:03:30 | BZFlag | from tux cvs? |
| 05:03:31 | GoRK | but i have a hard time believing that when the kernel works fine |
| 05:03:44 | GoRK | from buildroot-tux |
| 05:03:55 | BZFlag | try a cvs up -PdA to make sure you have the latest. I made some changes. |
| 05:04:03 | GoRK | just 5 seconds ago? |
| 05:04:21 | GoRK | err 45 minutes |
| 05:04:50 | GoRK | i downloaded buildroot-tux 45 minutes ago and did make completely from scratch and got the same init problem |
| 05:05:31 | GoRK | if i only had a nic.... |
| 05:05:33 | GoRK | sings |
| 05:07:47 | GoRK | everything looks all kosher |
| 05:12:27 | BZFlag | rebuilding... |
| 05:13:08 | GoRK | argh i think i know what it might be |
| 05:14:16 | BZFlag | waits |
| 05:14:31 | GoRK | well maybe not |
| 05:14:42 | GoRK | i am wondering about my cross environment |
| 05:15:28 | GoRK | if i build busybox and then upload my binary to the phone it doesnt run |
| 05:15:44 | GoRK | can it be that somehow busybox is getting built against glibc? |
| 05:16:06 | GoRK | how does arm-uclibc-gcc in the staging_dir work anyway |
| 05:16:53 | BZFlag | that's where headers and librarys go to build against. |
| 05:16:57 | GoRK | i am just running the compilers that i got from installing the task-cross-arm packages from emdebian |
| 05:17:15 | BZFlag | I have not yet deployed from erik's build tree. I will, but no tonight. |
| 05:17:30 | BZFlag | that's the same toolchain I use. |
| 05:17:51 | GoRK | good |
| 05:18:13 | BZFlag | well. it's going to take a while. I'm headed to bed. |
| 05:18:18 | GoRK | well i can compile the kernel fine so now it just seems to be a library issue |
| 05:18:55 | BZFlag | uclibc builds too? |
| 05:19:05 | BZFlag | what is the failure message? |
| 05:19:33 | GoRK | well on boot it is just something like 'can't find init try passing init= option to kernel' |
| 05:19:51 | GoRK | but i think that's because busybox (providing init) can't run properly |
| 05:20:50 | GoRK | everything builds just fine.. or appears to |
| 05:23:08 | BZFlag | try init=/bin/sh instead? |
| 05:23:53 | BZFlag | well, I'm off good luck. |
| 05:24:19 | GoRK | thanks see ya |
| 05:37:12 | GoRK | strip: Warning: Output file cannot represent architecture UNKNOWN! |
| 05:37:51 | andersen | GoRK: Ugh. Thats not a good thing. |
| 05:38:23 | andersen | just got back from grabbing some candy at the gas station |
| 05:38:34 | andersen | GoRK: Try something for me, k? |
| 05:39:24 | andersen | GoRK: Try editing busybox/Makefile s/STRIP/FOOSTRIP/g |
| 05:40:01 | andersen | I'm going to go check the make info page... |
| 05:40:47 | GoRK | wait |
| 05:40:54 | GoRK | i think im using the wrong 'ar' binary on busybox |
| 05:41:09 | GoRK | it's not using arm-uclibc-ar |
| 05:41:12 | GoRK | or whatever |
| 05:41:16 | GoRK | it's just straight up ar |
| 05:41:37 | GoRK | how is your path set up? |
| 05:41:41 | andersen | Hmm. ar _should_ be portable. In theory... |
| 05:41:54 | GoRK | well maybe it's using the wrong other tool or the wrong strip |
| 05:42:14 | andersen | I think we may be hitting a funky make interaction. |
| 05:42:43 | andersen | strip --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment busybox |
| 05:42:43 | andersen | strip: Warning: Output file cannot represent architecture UNKNOWN! |
| 05:43:06 | GoRK | i notice that when uclibc builds it calls arm-linux-ar and arm-linux-strip |
| 05:43:06 | andersen | See. It is calling 'strip' not arm-linux-strip, which is going to totally hose us... |
| 05:43:14 | andersen | right |
| 05:43:15 | GoRK | ok then maybe that is the only problem |
| 05:43:45 | andersen | Lemme check. That may simply be a thinko on my part in the upstream busybox source... |
| 05:44:02 | andersen | I think make is munging STRIP on us. |
| 05:45:01 | andersen | testing a possible fix... |
| 05:45:44 | GoRK | well this in the busybox Makefile: |
| 05:45:45 | GoRK | # If you are running a cross compiler, you may want to set this |
| 05:45:45 | GoRK | # to something more interesting, like "powerpc-linux-". |
| 05:45:45 | GoRK | CROSS = |
| 05:45:45 | GoRK | CC = $(CROSS)gcc |
| 05:45:45 | GoRK | AR = $(CROSS)ar |
| 05:45:47 | GoRK | STRIPTOOL = $(CROSS)strip |
| 05:45:58 | andersen | STRIPTOOL is ok. |
| 05:46:08 | andersen | Later on I use the variable STRIP |
| 05:46:27 | andersen | I'm testing changing that to STRIPCMD |
| 05:46:44 | andersen | It appears the make is munging that one... |
| 05:47:02 | andersen | Gack! |
| 05:47:11 | andersen | Trying something else... |
| 05:48:01 | GoRK | im going to try to make it unstripped real fast |
| 05:48:05 | andersen | k |
| 05:48:22 | andersen | While you check that, I'll work on a proper/final fix |
| 05:50:58 | GoRK | you know, if they hadn't lost the order for my nic's i'd just have pivot_root'ed over and been running debian a long time ago :) |
| 05:52:12 | GoRK | busybox is hella busy |
| 05:52:24 | andersen | :) |
| 05:52:39 | GoRK | i see it's got dpkg in it now too |
| 05:52:59 | andersen | If I had a nic (havn't gotten around to ordering one) I'd NFS mount my NetWinder's root fs... |
| 05:53:26 | GoRK | what do you use? just flash the image onto the thing or use a CF card? |
| 05:53:44 | GoRK | i havent even messed with PCMCIA yet even though I have a 64MB CF card right here |
| 05:54:13 | GoRK | dude that strip was so IT |
| 05:54:32 | andersen | I have a 32M CF card, but its in my camera. I just do most of my testing on my netwinder, and then occasionally flash things. |
| 05:54:43 | andersen | GoRK: Cool, so its working now! |
| 05:54:50 | GoRK | sort of |
| 05:54:53 | GoRK | i never got to a login |
| 05:55:08 | GoRK | it says /bin/ciimager: not found over and over.. about 1 per second |
| 05:55:33 | andersen | Thats because tinylogin uses the same build login as busybox... which means its hosed too. |
| 05:55:41 | andersen | Oh. |
| 05:55:41 | GoRK | ok ill fix that one too then |
| 05:55:43 | andersen | heh. |
| 05:55:57 | GoRK | or at least try it unstripped |
| 05:56:06 | andersen | Thats a relic from the consulting gig I'm doing for the government. |
| 05:56:35 | andersen | I need to fix the script that is invoking that... |
| 05:56:40 | andersen | is embarrased |
| 05:57:19 | GoRK | is tinylogin still hosed too then? |
| 05:57:45 | andersee | probably -- just kill the strip there for now. Something _wierd_ is going on in the Makefiles... |
| 05:57:53 | GoRK | ill check it out |
| 05:59:09 | GoRK | arg! you have a lot of shit in /etc/init.d |
| 05:59:12 | GoRK | heh |
| 05:59:16 | andersee | ?? |
| 05:59:26 | GoRK | oh wait that's my /etc/init.d |
| 05:59:27 | andersee | Should be only like 5 files.. |
| 05:59:29 | GoRK | LOL |
| 05:59:32 | andersee | :) |
| 05:59:53 | GoRK | i was just about to say 'looks like somebody copied that over from some debian box' |
| 06:00:17 | andersee | is also known as andersee@debian.org :) |
| 06:00:48 | andersee | bits and pieces of /etc/init.d did indeed come from debian... |
| 06:00:54 | andersee | rcS for example |
| 06:01:05 | andersee | Gack! |
| 06:01:29 | andersee | skel.tar dups content in target_skeleton |
| 06:01:37 | GoRK | i can probably just steal the inittab from the 0.3 rootfs, eh? |
| 06:02:15 | andersee | Well, that may be a bit much, considering... |
| 06:02:23 | andersee | No need to fsck |
| 06:02:33 | GoRK | not the one that i have |
| 06:02:37 | GoRK | it unpacks to ./root |
| 06:04:19 | andersee | k. I didn't spend a lot of time on that part, so there is plenty of improvement possible... |
| 06:04:39 | BZFlag | so what's the latest? |
| 06:04:43 | GoRK | hey yeah there's a shell on tty2 |
| 06:04:49 | BZFlag | GoRK: who lost your nic order? |
| 06:04:59 | GoRK | netica mall. |
| 06:05:06 | BZFlag | ah. ok. not me. |
| 06:05:13 | GoRK | they apologized profusely though |
| 06:05:20 | BZFlag | andersee should buy a nic from me. ;-) |
| 06:05:25 | GoRK | what nics are you selling? |
| 06:05:32 | andersee | BZFlag: Turns out busybox and tinylogin are running 'strip', not $(CROSS)strip. The native strip is hosing the arm binaries... |
| 06:05:37 | BZFlag | andersee: you headed to plug? it's next week now. |
| 06:05:59 | BZFlag | nice. free of charge. =( |
| 06:06:01 | andersee | BZFlag: Until you get some 10/100s... |
| 06:06:10 | BZFlag | oh, yeah. |
| 06:06:19 | GoRK | i ordered those 10/100's that are reported to work |
| 06:06:34 | andersee | I think it has to do the three levels of needed shell expansion not working... |
| 06:07:00 | andersee | Gahh. Not it either. |
| 06:07:02 | GoRK | might work if i tried to build using zsh instead of bash |
| 06:07:05 | GoRK | ? |
| 06:07:05 | andersee | wierd |
| 06:07:30 | andersee | Wow. 10 orders, just like that. |
| 06:07:33 | andersee | :) |
| 06:07:42 | GoRK | i have been trying it out all day! |
| 06:07:49 | BZFlag | heh. ok, my math was off. leave mem alone. ;-) |
| 06:07:52 | GoRK | are there really still over 900 left? |
| 06:08:02 | BZFlag | GoRK: yes. |
| 06:08:05 | vosque | cworth: still awake? |
| 06:08:07 | GoRK | crazy man |
| 06:09:12 | andersee | Ok, trying something comletely different this time -- hope it fixes it. |
| 06:09:22 | BZFlag | thinks some university should do a class on embedded systems and get one for each student. ;-) |
| 06:09:37 | BZFlag | ldap at sf is back up right? |
| 06:09:43 | andersee | GoRK: BTW, still seeing that "hard link" msg with the non-stripped target image? |
| 06:10:04 | GoRK | yes still seeing it |
| 06:10:30 | GoRK | but im not so sure im not seeing it even when i'm using the images i have downloaded |
| 06:10:35 | GoRK | i just havent checked |
| 06:10:45 | andersee | That has got to be a mkfs.jffs2 buglet. Not fatal. I'll look into it though. |
| 06:11:08 | andersee | Perhaps / isn't supposed to have an inode. I recall adding one for / |
| 06:11:27 | andersee | maybe that was a mistake |
| 06:14:35 | andersee | Gack! |
| 06:14:59 | andersee | We arn't passing in CROSS to the busybox build. Of _course_ it isn't working. |
| 06:15:04 | andersee | Doh!!! |
| 06:15:40 | BZFlag | is mkfs.jffs2 doing hard links yet? if so can busybox install with them now? |
| 06:16:50 | andersee | I started to look at that. The raw inodes don't seem to support things like links counts... Perhaps I missed something, but the underlying fs doing seem ready. |
| 06:16:52 | BZFlag | added a /linuxrc might help you boot. ;-) |
| 06:17:16 | GoRK | naw doesnt need it. the only thing that is screwed up now is /etc/inittab |
| 06:17:21 | andersee | BZFlag: but we arn't booting as an initrd... |
| 06:17:24 | BZFlag | hmm. I can make them on a mounted fs. |
| 06:17:40 | GoRK | i successfully built and booted from the buildroot-tux |
| 06:17:43 | BZFlag | yesm but I think russ passes a init= line. |
| 06:18:06 | BZFlag | GoRK: with your own kernel command line or the built in one? |
| 06:18:11 | GoRK | built in |
| 06:18:31 | GoRK | unless there is something in the buildroot-tux makefiles that change that in some way |
| 06:18:59 | GoRK | question -- if i download ramdisk into blob, do i have to flash ramdisk before i can boot using it... it is after all a ramdisk, right? |
| 06:19:03 | BZFlag | CONFIG_CMDLINE="console=ttySA0,9600 console=tty1 root=/dev/mtdblock2 init=/linuxrc" |
| 06:19:53 | BZFlag | GoRK: no. you can dl both kernel and ramdisk and boot from them without flashing. |
| 06:20:25 | BZFlag | guess that should be a yes, not a no. ;-) |
| 06:21:10 | BZFlag | no to the have to flash, yes to the "right?" /me is tired. |
| 06:22:22 | GoRK | cool well i have been burning unnecessarily on my flash then |
| 06:22:30 | BZFlag | the linuxrc I added tries to probe pcmcia, which is not there yet, but should still boot. |
| 06:24:11 | BZFlag | well. headed to bed unless there is anything else. I plan on adding blob to the tree soon. |
| 06:24:21 | andersee | Ok, I think I've got the busybox and tinylogin builds behaving. No more native strip being called.... |
| 06:24:24 | BZFlag | but not tonight. ;-) |
| 06:24:35 | andersee | That would be nice. |
| 06:24:48 | andersee | BTW, following the bootloader thread on arm-l-k? |
| 06:26:09 | BZFlag | no. what's up? |
| 06:26:48 | andersee | Some discussion of merging certain bit of the bootloader into the kernel, to make bootloaders less hardware specific |
| 06:31:28 | GoRK | andersee: can you send me a patch or something and ill test it out? |
| 06:32:32 | BZFlag | is reading the thread |
| 06:33:09 | andersee | GoRK: I'm still fighting with make unfortunately. This is turning out to be a real bugger... |
| 06:34:12 | GoRK | ok well dont worry about it.. it's not like im aching for the 100K (yet) .. just send me a /msg or whatever tomorrow and ill test it |
| 06:34:18 | GoRK | or whenever |
| 06:34:20 | vosque | is there a tuxscreen specific mailing list somewhere? |
| 06:35:02 | GoRK | sourceforge has a list but it's pretty desolate |
| 06:35:26 | vosque | ah |
| 06:39:56 | GoRK | ok now im rebuilding this jank all again (except the kernel) |
| 06:41:43 | BZFlag | having one kernel for multiple archs is good for rmk, but not many others. I say that "feature" should be removed. I see drivers etc that do ifdef on arch stuff. this is already broken for a multiple arch kernel. |
| 06:41:55 | BZFlag | arch decisions should be done at compile time. |
| 06:42:08 | BZFlag | the passing a machine id is a broken concept. |
| 06:43:11 | BZFlag | vosque: most all the tux conversation happens here. ;-) |
| 06:43:55 | BZFlag | andersee: you read my bootloader comments? |
| 06:44:04 | BZFlag | I think I'll replay on the list... |
| 06:44:33 | andersee | Just posted to a-l-k? |
| 06:45:19 | andersee | I agree the whole machine ID thing is messed. |
| 06:46:02 | andersee | It is silly baggage. That is why god invented config.in... |
| 06:46:44 | vosque | BZFlag: cool. |
| 06:46:58 | vosque | I wonder exactly how cworth does the chroot over to familiar |
| 06:47:48 | andersee | yipe. |
| 06:47:53 | GoRK | all of this distro,toolkit,gui junk -- man i am so ready to write some APPS!!! |
| 06:47:58 | GoRK | hehe |
| 06:48:28 | andersee | I'd accidentally commited CC=i386-uclibc-gcc in tinylogin's makefile a bit back.. |
| 06:50:54 | andersee | GoRK: you will need to do a cvs up in tinylogin, and a cvs up on the main Makefile. |
| 06:51:13 | andersee | As of now, everything should now build and work. |
| 06:51:51 | GoRK | what about bb? |
| 06:52:15 | andersee | Should be fine. The top level Makefile was not passing in $(CROSS) |
| 06:52:31 | andersee | It was just setting $(CC). naughty |
| 06:52:35 | BZFlag | vosque: see the PivotRoot wiki page |
| 06:53:13 | GoRK | ok so bb goes unchanged ... good deal |
| 06:58:52 | andersee | k. |
| 06:59:32 | andersee | GoRK: I think we now have a totally working system. It isn't done or anything, but it should all work now. :) |
| 06:59:39 | vosque | wow |
| 07:00:05 | GoRK | cept for inittab |
| 07:00:09 | andersee | I think I will do a clean build, just to be sure and then tag CVS before someone screws something up... |
| 07:00:13 | GoRK | unless you fixed that |
| 07:00:19 | andersee | Oh? whats up with inittab? |
| 07:00:26 | GoRK | yoru govt. mumbo jumbo |
| 07:00:43 | GoRK | that and it leaves that extraneous file in init.d |
| 07:01:17 | GoRK | whoops i think it's fixed |
| 07:01:29 | GoRK | cvs up fixed it |
| 07:02:09 | andersee | :) |
| 07:03:59 | GoRK | imo the kernel build needs to be more seperated from the other stuff |
| 07:04:39 | andersee | In what way? Whats the problem? |
| 07:04:48 | GoRK | well there really is no problem |
| 07:05:18 | GoRK | i guess mainly i think it would be useful to be able to make clean without cleaning the kernel tree |
| 07:05:30 | andersee | Ahh. |
| 07:05:45 | GoRK | ok here we go clean compile of everything ... |
| 07:05:52 | andersee | Sort of a clean, kclean, and distclean seperation... |
| 07:05:55 | andersee | can do. |
| 07:06:26 | GoRK | sure. in my testing, cleaning was the hardest stuff |
| 07:06:46 | GoRK | either i make clean and recompile the kernel |
| 07:06:55 | GoRK | or go into each and every dir and make clean |
| 07:07:14 | GoRK | or mv linux linuxdonttouchme; make clean |
| 07:07:16 | GoRK | etc |
| 07:07:52 | GoRK | ok it all built cleanly |
| 07:08:10 | BZFlag | and did it boot? ;-) |
| 07:08:28 | GoRK | blob is getting it all now |
| 07:08:29 | andersee | finished adding kclean. clean no longer kills the kernel. |
| 07:08:32 | GoRK | TBD |
| 07:08:51 | BZFlag | is there a make target that nukes everthing and re downloads stuff? |
| 07:09:03 | andersee | Lemme know if it works and I'll tag CVS. |
| 07:09:19 | andersee | BZFlag: yep. 'make distclean' does that. |
| 07:09:22 | BZFlag | make pristine or make maintainer-clean etc. |
| 07:09:25 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 07:09:34 | andersee | Even deletes your sources. use with care. |
| 07:09:46 | BZFlag | right. |
| 07:09:49 | GoRK | hmm... are all these changes you had to make to tinylogin, etc rolled into the tarballs the build system downloads? |
| 07:09:57 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 07:09:59 | andersee | nope. |
| 07:10:12 | andersee | Lemme go rebuild the tinylogin daily snapshot... :) |
| 07:10:20 | GoRK | heh. CHEATER! |
| 07:10:35 | GoRK | hehehe |
| 07:10:48 | GoRK | could it pull sources from cvs instead of using wget? :) |
| 07:10:55 | andersee | yeah well. |
| 07:11:09 | andersee | Yeah it could, but cvs pulling is much slower... |
| 07:11:27 | GoRK | you could make it even harder and wget then cvs up |
| 07:11:39 | andersee | True... |
| 07:11:51 | GoRK | or cvsup |
| 07:11:59 | GoRK | haha talk about a mess |
| 07:12:07 | BZFlag | ahh, but if the busybox dir were in -tux cvs then cvs up -PdA would walk that tree too, no? |
| 07:12:45 | GoRK | hey, im' all for cramming the whole thing into the same cvs |
| 07:12:47 | andersee | Hmm. Perhaps so. BZFlag, could you check that theory for us? |
| 07:12:59 | andersee | That would be very cool. |
| 07:13:04 | BZFlag | where busybox = busybox/tinylogin/uClibc/etc |
| 07:13:21 | BZFlag | hmm... |
| 07:13:30 | andersee | then one cvs up would update busybox, tinylogin, uClibc, and mtd. |
| 07:13:33 | GoRK | i think you can make cvs traverse different repositories |
| 07:13:53 | GoRK | eg. have a subdirectory in your tree thats cvs is on a different server |
| 07:14:09 | GoRK | ill have to look into it |
| 07:14:53 | BZFlag | adding: D/busybox//// to CVS/Entries does indeed cause that. |
| 07:15:03 | andersee | heh. |
| 07:15:06 | andersee | cool |
| 07:15:37 | GoRK | <-- lots of good ideas!!! |
| 07:15:47 | GoRK | <-- can't code for shit!!! |
| 07:16:07 | BZFlag | uClibc anon cvs denied? |
| 07:16:26 | GoRK | there is some funky password |
| 07:16:30 | GoRK | hangon |
| 07:17:14 | GoRK | it's 'anonymous' for # /sbin/getty invocations for the runlevels. |
| 07:17:14 | GoRK | # |
| 07:17:14 | GoRK | # The "id" field MUST be the same as the last |
| 07:17:14 | GoRK | # characters of the device (after "tty"). |
| 07:17:14 | GoRK | # |
| 07:17:14 | GoRK | # Format: |
| 07:17:16 | GoRK | # <id>:<runlevels>:<action>:<process> |
| 07:17:18 | GoRK | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 07:17:20 | GoRK | 2:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 |
| 07:17:22 | GoRK | #3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3 |
| 07:17:24 | GoRK | #4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4 |
| 07:17:26 | GoRK | #5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5 |
| 07:17:28 | GoRK | #6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6 |
| 07:17:30 | GoRK | |
| 07:17:32 | GoRK | # Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal) |
| 07:17:34 | GoRK | # |
| 07:17:36 | GoRK | argh damnit |
| 07:18:07 | GoRK | the password for uClibc anon cvs is 'anonymous' and it's: :pserver:anonymous@oss.lineo.com:2401/var/cvs |
| 07:18:38 | GoRK | why does blob flash fast sometimes and super slow others? |
| 07:20:36 | andersee | GoRK: That inittab stuff you pasted won't work with busybox init... |
| 07:20:56 | GoRK | yeah i know |
| 07:21:05 | GoRK | i dont know where it came from |
| 07:21:14 | andersee | k -- just checking. |
| 07:21:20 | GoRK | ok it booted fine but getty is lookinf ro libcrypt.so.0 |
| 07:21:52 | GoRK | so no login is happening |
| 07:22:26 | GoRK | but it's using stripped binaries and obviously both busybox and tinylogin are trying to execute (which wasnt happening at all before) |
| 07:23:12 | BZFlag | staging dir has ./staging_dir/lib/libcrypt-0.9.5.so |
| 07:23:17 | BZFlag | not in root though |
| 07:23:25 | GoRK | yes but it doesnt get copied into root |
| 07:23:38 | GoRK | libresolv and such other things are probably necessary too, huh? |
| 07:23:42 | BZFlag | copy it and rebuild |
| 07:23:53 | BZFlag | well, nuke the image, and run make. |
| 07:24:33 | BZFlag | resolv should not be required. afaict |
| 07:24:52 | andersee | GoRK: doh. I forgot to include libcrypt. |
| 07:25:04 | andersee | BZFlag: did you add it yet? |
| 07:25:11 | BZFlag | no. |
| 07:25:20 | andersee | k. I'll get it. |
| 07:25:22 | GoRK | what about libresolv? |
| 07:26:09 | GoRK | libresolv, libutil, libdl, libcrypt are all built and not included in root -- do they need to be? what about crt0.o? |
| 07:26:36 | BZFlag | hmmm some things will want libdl. |
| 07:26:59 | BZFlag | whats in libutil? |
| 07:27:35 | GoRK | dunno but it's only 5k |
| 07:27:56 | andersee | BZFlag: shall I just include the lot of 'em? |
| 07:28:00 | BZFlag | openpty, logwtmp, login, forkpty. |
| 07:28:20 | BZFlag | sure. then we need an open source lipo later. ;-) |
| 07:28:55 | GoRK | ok here goes a boot with all those extra libs |
| 07:28:56 | andersee | BZFlag: mklibs.sh, mklibs.py, and montavista's "library optimizer" all all open source. :) |
| 07:29:13 | GoRK | Waiting for chip to read, status = 4 |
| 07:29:14 | GoRK | Waiting for chip to read, status = 7 |
| 07:29:26 | BZFlag | cool. we'll look at that later. |
| 07:29:35 | GoRK | ^^^ are those normal? Can they be nuked? they are annoying |
| 07:29:46 | BZFlag | they happen on first boot. |
| 07:30:19 | BZFlag | oh, ramdisk.... you can run a ramdisk from ram, but not a jffs2 image. |
| 07:30:43 | GoRK | ah |
| 07:30:48 | GoRK | ok |
| 07:30:58 | BZFlag | so if you take root and build a minix fs, initrd should work. with jffs2 it will read from flash. |
| 07:31:05 | GoRK | well it booted and is running. i have logins on serial console, tty5 and tty6 |
| 07:31:19 | BZFlag | sweet! |
| 07:31:43 | GoRK | the message 'dma period = 2440000 ps' is printing out absolutely EVERYWHERE |
| 07:31:53 | BZFlag | pcmcia-cs is the thing I need. I'll hack it up before wed next week if erik does not beat me to it. |
| 07:32:21 | GoRK | and getting: setutent: Can't open utmp file: No such file or directory |
| 07:32:27 | BZFlag | dma is a arm 2.4.7 thing, I have not looked to see where it is coming from |
| 07:32:43 | BZFlag | > var/log/utmp ? |
| 07:32:46 | andersee | k. I now add in all the uClibc shared libs. |
| 07:32:52 | GoRK | um does root have a password ... hmm |
| 07:33:10 | andersee | shouldn't. But I didn't check too closely |
| 07:33:17 | GoRK | it doesnt in /etc/shadow |
| 07:33:21 | GoRK | i cant login though |
| 07:33:29 | BZFlag | heh. it has no valid password... ;-) |
| 07:33:45 | BZFlag | oh. there is a shadow file... |
| 07:33:58 | andersee | Umm. Did we enable shadow in tl? |
| 07:34:10 | BZFlag | did not look. |
| 07:34:28 | BZFlag | we did not set shadow to 600 though |
| 07:34:59 | andersee | perl in Makefile is alledgedly doing that. Cept it didn't seem to take... |
| 07:35:21 | andersee | BZFlag: need to fix up the device table for that |
| 07:35:22 | BZFlag | added to device-table. |
| 07:35:27 | andersee | thx. |
| 07:35:30 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 07:35:35 | andersee | I'm looking at tl now... |
| 07:36:33 | GoRK | tty1::respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5 |
| 07:36:33 | andersee | Oh bother. I'm turning _off_ shadow, not enabling it. |
| 07:36:34 | GoRK | tty2::respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6 |
| 07:36:45 | BZFlag | heh |
| 07:36:55 | GoRK | ^--- can those be changed back to tty1 and 2 rather than 5 and 6 while one of you is at it ? :) |
| 07:37:54 | GoRK | unless there is some other reason they are like that... *shrug* |
| 07:38:22 | andersee | k. I just told the Makefile to quit hosing up the safe tinylogin defaults. |
| 07:38:33 | andersee | Should work now. |
| 07:38:48 | GoRK | what do i need to update: buildroot-tux or tinylogin? |
| 07:39:05 | BZFlag | inittab fixed. |
| 07:39:21 | andersee | rm -rf sources/tinylogin* tinylogin && cvs up |
| 07:39:29 | andersee | then run 'make' |
| 07:39:46 | GoRK | sweet-ah |
| 07:40:07 | andersee | It will grab the fixed tinylogin and then Make wont hose the config like it previously did |
| 07:41:47 | BZFlag | GoRK: we often run X on tty1 so something other than 1 is desired for tiny login. not an issue here, so I changed em back. |
| 07:41:57 | GoRK | i also nuked busybox for good measure. it's building now |
| 07:42:15 | GoRK | ahh good ol bloated X.... that is cool |
| 07:42:43 | BZFlag | same issue will apply to nanogui or microwindows though when they are added. |
| 07:43:32 | GoRK | anyone porting DOOM yet? |
| 07:44:41 | GoRK | DooM |
| 07:45:55 | GoRK | here goes |
| 07:48:14 | GoRK | hmm that's weird. i can login as root from tty1 and 2 but not from the serial. is there a securettys file now too? |
| 07:49:14 | GoRK | ahh yes it's calling itself ttySA0 |
| 07:49:36 | BZFlag | ticks off rmk on a-lk |
| 07:50:27 | GoRK | there it goes... can we change ttyS0 to ttySA0 or just add it to /etc/securetty ? |
| 07:50:39 | BZFlag | GoRK: updated. |
| 07:51:46 | GoRK | also root probably needs /sbin and /usr/sbin in the path.. that isnt happening yet |
| 07:53:44 | GoRK | does ash source a .profile in ~ ? |
| 07:54:30 | GoRK | yup |
| 07:57:30 | GoRK | can maybe add these lines to root/root/.profile: |
| 07:57:30 | GoRK | export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH |
| 07:57:31 | GoRK | alias ls='ls -CF' |
| 07:57:54 | GoRK | ^- gratuitous since --color is not supported heheh |
| 07:58:10 | andersee | How about adding an /etc/profile and check for rootfulness |
| 07:58:25 | BZFlag | just added sbin's to etc/profile. |
| 07:58:50 | andersee | works |
| 07:58:55 | BZFlag | does not care if sbin's are on non-root path. ;-) |
| 07:59:03 | andersee | me either. |
| 07:59:16 | GoRK | your busybox has adduser.. might as well check |
| 07:59:30 | andersee | adduser itself checks... |
| 07:59:53 | GoRK | no i mean for the sbin.. whatever. it's embedded, right?!?! |
| 07:59:59 | BZFlag | no point. either you have permission to run the app or you don't. why not have em on your path if you can? |
| 08:00:44 | BZFlag | often runs ifconfig as self. so almost always adds sbin to path in etc/profile on his boxes. |
| 08:00:49 | andersee | I think, after adding in a basic /etc/profile we are about ready to tag CVS. i.e. before we break something. :) |
| 08:01:05 | GoRK | as a side note, busybox 'help' doesnt print out all the commands it understands |
| 08:01:08 | BZFlag | there is an etc/profile now. |
| 08:01:33 | BZFlag | GoRK: yeah, but "busybox" does. |
| 08:03:42 | GoRK | we dont have pcmcia tools in there, correct? |
| 08:03:56 | andersee | Nope. Not yet. |
| 08:04:16 | GoRK | are you going to try to stuff those into busybox or will they remain on their own ;) |
| 08:04:25 | GoRK | hehehe |
| 08:05:02 | andersee | I was thinking I'd put those in. Right after I merge the atari 800 emulator. |
| 08:05:10 | GoRK | hey can you adjust the processor speed up to 206mhz with linux or blob somehow? |
| 08:05:25 | GoRK | just put MAME into it.. it's kind of like the multi-call emulator anyway |
| 08:06:53 | BZFlag | GoRK: not yet. mem timeing need some review. |
| 08:07:16 | BZFlag | has xmame on his yopy |
| 08:07:18 | vosque | ergh |
| 08:07:58 | GoRK | ok now what about fixing utmp? |
| 08:08:11 | andersee | Whats up with utmp? |
| 08:08:25 | GoRK | setutent: Can't open utmp file: No such file or directory |
| 08:08:53 | GoRK | i touched /var/log/utmp but nothing |
| 08:09:03 | andersee | Do we have a /var/run dir? |
| 08:09:26 | andersee | symlink to /tmp |
| 08:09:29 | BZFlag | yes |
| 08:09:33 | GoRK | yup |
| 08:09:46 | andersee | That _should_ work. |
| 08:10:07 | GoRK | it works to touch utmp in /var/run |
| 08:10:11 | andersee | We should mount tmpfs on /tmp btw |
| 08:10:33 | andersee | Don't want such things going to flash... |
| 08:10:34 | BZFlag | I plan to conver var to ramfs and link tmp into it. then tar up var and untar on boot after mount. |
| 08:10:55 | GoRK | symlinking doesnt work |
| 08:11:16 | BZFlag | huh? can you cd /var/run ? |
| 08:11:31 | andersee | Hmm. Am I lstat'ind or readlink'ing or something. |
| 08:11:33 | GoRK | tmp does get mounted ramfs |
| 08:11:55 | BZFlag | not yet, no. var will be and tmp -> /var/tmp imho |
| 08:12:28 | GoRK | bin/echo Mounting ramdisks on /var, /tmp ... |
| 08:12:29 | GoRK | |
| 08:12:29 | GoRK | |
| 08:12:37 | GoRK | it's all in your /linuxrc |
| 08:12:38 | andersee | GoRK: cool. I'd forgotten I was doing that. |
| 08:12:58 | GoRK | so touching /var/run/utmp should be fine then |
| 08:13:19 | BZFlag | I plan to change the linixrc |
| 08:14:11 | andersee | BZFlag: but is it running the /linuxrc? |
| 08:14:24 | GoRK | mine is running it |
| 08:14:28 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 08:14:33 | BZFlag | it should be, yes. kernel args are set in russ patches |
| 08:15:13 | andersee | Ahh. init=/linuxrc |
| 08:15:18 | BZFlag | yep |
| 08:15:20 | GoRK | offtopic: when you push the stylus into the stylus holder you can feel a little click -- is that a button? |
| 08:15:27 | BZFlag | no. |
| 08:15:34 | andersee | I was wondering, since we arn't running as an initrd... |
| 08:16:08 | BZFlag | right. but we could be if one wanted to. |
| 08:16:16 | GoRK | narf i am writing a contrast changing program right now!! |
| 08:16:23 | BZFlag | sweet. ;-) |
| 08:16:24 | GoRK | boy is it going to suck too |
| 08:16:38 | GoRK | i cant see the screen |
| 08:16:41 | andersee | BZFlag: so any reason not to tag CVS now? |
| 08:16:51 | andersee | I think we have a working system... |
| 08:17:04 | BZFlag | not that I can see, but I have not deployed yet. |
| 08:17:17 | BZFlag | I meant, tagging. |
| 08:18:38 | andersee | Hmm. Shall we adjust /linuxrc to touch /var/run/utmp first? |
| 08:18:56 | BZFlag | must sleep. thanx all! remind me to double erik's salary again. |
| 08:19:27 | andersee | night |
| 08:19:29 | BZFlag | sure. that sounds goo. |
| 08:19:39 | GoRK | actually .. yeah screw the contrast program im sleeping too |
| 08:19:43 | andersee | I'm using that drive you gave me... |
| 08:19:52 | andersee | Counts for something. :) |
| 08:19:53 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 08:19:56 | andersee | night |
| 08:20:00 | GoRK | touch utmp. go for it |
| 08:22:47 | GoRK | ok im off |
| 08:22:48 | GoRK | later |
| 08:22:59 | andersee | night |
| 08:36:26 | vosque | ah well |
| 10:52:58 | NamKyu | |
| 10:52:58 | NamKyu | |
| 10:52:58 | NamKyu | |
| 10:53:03 | NamKyu | |
| 10:53:08 | NamKyu | |
| 11:21:10 | vosque | uh |
| 11:41:45 | travis|work | wants to learn to sleep someday, damn computers.... |
| 12:54:14 | pattieja | is back (gone 12:46:52) |
| 12:56:03 | pattieja | anybody get to take a look at the audrey pictures? |
| 13:24:27 | travis|work | what audrey pictures? |
| 13:28:43 | pattieja | travis|work: www.pcxperience.com/audrey |
| 13:31:09 | vosque | I saw them.. |
| 13:31:11 | vosque | what is it? |
| 13:33:39 | joev | cp: You there? |
| 13:36:56 | CosmicPenguin | I am here |
| 13:37:32 | joev | Kewl; I successfully did a "c F!all D!inferno.img" last night.. I just let it sit there for a lonooong time. |
| 13:38:59 | CosmicPenguin | long meaning 5 minutes or 5 hours? |
| 13:39:52 | joev | cp: I just let it sit there.. Did laundry, made dinner.. I'd say it took at least half an hour until I got the ">>>" prompt again. The resulting file on my PC was a bit more than 4MB... |
| 13:39:58 | joev | I think I was at 9600bps. |
| 13:41:28 | joev | sboot/rdp gives no feedback about a copy in progress, and the file wasn't steadily growing on my file system.. (I was using Win98) |
| 13:41:34 | CosmicPenguin | Geeez.... |
| 13:42:12 | peen-away | whats the url for the slashdot item on the tuxscreen? |
| 13:43:13 | peen-away | slashdots search is down :/ |
| 13:43:55 | CosmicPenguin | peen-away: Sorry, I can't help you. Most of the factual news in that article can be found on the tuxscreen webpage though, if that helps |
| 13:44:10 | peen-away | ahh ok |
| 13:44:27 | CosmicPenguin | Any questions in particular? |
| 13:45:06 | peen-away | not really.. ive just seen this channel in someones whois and was interested :) |
| 13:45:32 | CosmicPenguin | Cool - Feel free to peruse http://tuxscreen.net at will... :) |
| 13:46:09 | peen-away | thanks :) |
| 13:46:17 | peen-away | seems like a very cheap linux device to hack |
| 13:46:36 | peen-away | how come theyre only 99$? |
| 13:46:44 | travis|work | needs sleep |
| 13:47:31 | CosmicPenguin | You can get the whole history from http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//SomeHistory |
| 13:47:44 | peen-away | ok thanks :) |
| 13:47:55 | CosmicPenguin | But basically, they are a fail venture between two companies, BZFlag (TimRiker) got 'em cheap |
| 13:47:57 | peen-away | im not relly used to wiki's |
| 13:48:01 | CosmicPenguin | and he is selling them to the community.... |
| 13:48:07 | peen-away | nice! |
| 13:48:36 | peen-away | cos im in the uk, id probabl need to get an adapter so i can plug them in over here |
| 13:50:35 | pattieja | vosque: the Audrey is an Internet device produced by 3Com. It is now discontinued and selling for around $89 on TigerDirect. |
| 13:50:54 | pattieja | it currently runs QNX, and there are individuals (like myself) who would like to get Linux running on it |
| 13:57:01 | vosque | runs a geode |
| 13:57:16 | vosque | I don't think the kernel presently runs on that |
| 13:59:19 | blzbubba | geode is x86 |
| 13:59:27 | CosmicPenguin | vosque: The kernel runs great on a Geode.... |
| 13:59:31 | vosque | NO kidding? |
| 13:59:34 | vosque | hah |
| 13:59:40 | vosque | Must have my wires crossed. |
| 13:59:41 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a dozen devices within 10 feet of me running both Linux and the Geode |
| 13:59:54 | vosque | sorry about that. |
| 14:05:38 | CosmicPenguin | 10 of em are same type of device, but thats not the point.... |
| 14:05:53 | vosque | what are they? |
| 14:05:54 | vosque | hmm |
| 14:06:04 | vosque | does it have some sort of pcmcia slot or anything like that? |
| 14:06:06 | vosque | or just he USB |
| 14:06:22 | CosmicPenguin | National semiconductor devices... see http://www.linux4.tv |
| 14:06:42 | CosmicPenguin | All the ones I see have CF / USB, but these are just reference platforms.... |
| 14:07:05 | CosmicPenguin | Individual HW companies would presumable roll their own.... |
| 14:07:34 | vosque | rock on |
| 14:27:05 | joev | Cc: joev@atg.com |
| 14:27:18 | joev | Oops. Damn middle mouse buton :^) |
| 14:34:44 | kram | has returned. |
| 14:42:58 | boodle | cworth: I did get x running last night (no blackbox).. I think the copy /dev part was my missing piece. But nothing would run in it.. I need to try making/using swap space... |
| 14:43:18 | boodle | (nothing ran other than gtkmenu and battery monitor) |
| 14:44:04 | CosmicPenguin | boodle: Thats a start... ;) |
| 14:44:28 | boodle | CosmicPenguin: yepper :) |
| 14:44:42 | cworth | boodle: cool. Did I mention on my page that blackbox has problems allocating colors with a PseudoColor visual? |
| 14:45:00 | boodle | Has anyone been able to run X and also run, say, rxvt or some other large applications? |
| 14:45:15 | cworth | boodle: also, I didn't try running anything other than X, ion, xstroke, and gtk-menu on my phone. Everything else I did remote. |
| 14:45:24 | boodle | cworth: hmmm.. maybe I am running it then...(using my ipaq familiar image on a udrive).. it starts up all blue |
| 14:46:02 | cworth | boodle: no, wait. I did try rxvt and got "failed to open pseudo-tty", and it exits. |
| 14:46:11 | boodle | I also want to try pivot_root vs chroot... I was successful with chroot |
| 14:46:37 | cworth | boodle: I get the all-blue thing when I run X from the console. It doesn't seem to work at all, (cursor doesn't respond). |
| 14:46:50 | boodle | cworth: ok. I 'feel' like it's all a memory issue (I hope).. and swap space may help/solve it |
| 14:47:06 | cworth | boodle: If I run X from a serial-port login, it works though. Probably has to do with handling of ttys. |
| 14:47:22 | boodle | cworth: for me, it acts like it won't work but if I let it sit for 10-20 secs, cursor starts responding.. then I have to rotate to Landscape-Left |
| 14:47:33 | boodle | cworth: hmm prolly |
| 14:47:44 | boodle | cworth: I've only run it from console so far |
| 14:49:27 | boodle | My next goal is to get my familiar udrive switched to debian-arm... I need a libc5 version of dpkg (or start from fam-.05 ;) |
| 14:50:59 | kram | is away - Not here right now, sorry... - Your msgs will be saved. |
| 15:59:20 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 15:59:39 | CosmicPenguin | as_: Good midday to you too..... :0 |
| 15:59:45 | CosmicPenguin | s/:0/:)/ |
| 16:01:11 | as_ | All the fun of cross continant telephony with less of the cost. |
| 16:21:58 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I have added a new WIKI page: |
| 16:22:00 | CosmicPenguin | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/GraphicsEngine |
| 16:22:16 | CosmicPenguin | To try and bring all of the graphics engines together in one spot. Please review and edit as nessesary |
| 16:24:25 | Russ|werk | #nvidia support: |
| 16:24:28 | Russ|werk | <Primer> and don't forget rm -rf /bin/laden |
| 16:24:29 | Russ|werk | <amk> Primer: what does that do? |
| 16:24:29 | Russ|werk | <amk> I know it'll remove the dir/file |
| 16:24:46 | Russ|werk | <Russ|werk> /bin/laden is bad |
| 16:24:46 | Russ|werk | <amk> there is no /bin/laden |
| 16:24:46 | Russ|werk | <amk> ok brb |
| 16:25:19 | CosmicPenguin | hehehe |
| 16:25:38 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the geekiest joke since cd /pub; more beer |
| 16:28:09 | Russ|werk | the funny thing is, he never got it |
| 16:28:51 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: I know... Its fun to mess with guys like that... :) |
| 17:31:53 | as_ | Hi BZ, did you get the bank details sorted? |
| 17:33:18 | RobFlynn | Russ|werk: Howdy |
| 17:35:07 | BZFlag | nope. been busy. |
| 17:35:24 | as_ | Thats ok, just so long as you dont forget me ;] |
| 17:42:19 | boodle | BZFlag: Meant to say earlier, everything arrived and works well. Thank you! |
| 17:45:29 | BZFlag | sweet. now you can check out erik's build env. ;-) |
| 17:46:32 | Russ|werk | hey RobFlynn |
| 17:46:45 | Russ|werk | sorry I've been sitting on the file transfer packages for so long |
| 17:47:02 | Russ|werk | its ein the state now of being integrated into icq as well |
| 17:47:19 | Russ|werk | batch transfers in ICQ to be more specific |
| 17:47:21 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: you check out the build tree yet? |
| 17:47:39 | BZFlag | wonders if Russ could put in the pcmcia-cs stuff he did. |
| 17:47:43 | Russ|werk | not yet, been a strange/busy week |
| 17:47:54 | Russ|werk | I didn't do much for pcmcia-cs |
| 17:48:02 | BZFlag | agreed. no rush, just looking for an update. |
| 17:49:07 | BZFlag | yeah, I have not looked at cross compiling it yet. I expect it's straight forward, just looking to reuse the first had experience you have. ;-) |
| 17:49:20 | BZFlag | er s/had/hand/ |
| 17:50:48 | Russ|werk | I just compiled one of the dirs and hand configured a bit |
| 17:51:05 | Russ|werk | I really dislike packages with these all inclusive configuration scripts for newbs |
| 17:51:18 | Russ|werk | (not speaking of autogen) |
| 17:58:07 | BZFlag | you speak of the build system erik built? |
| 17:58:38 | BZFlag | or the default build system in pcmcia-cs and similar? |
| 17:59:16 | BZFlag | headed into work... |
| 18:37:48 | Russ|werk | andersee: did that lockf thing go in? |
| 18:41:26 | skip-99 | sup |
| 18:41:41 | skip-99 | just looked at that tuxscreen on the webpage, it looks sweet |
| 18:41:49 | skip-99 | is BZFlag here? |
| 18:42:23 | CosmicPenguin | skip-99: Nope, but he will be back soon |
| 18:43:06 | skip-99 | okie dokie |
| 18:43:32 | skip-99 | so this is really a full Arm based embedded device with a phone and a touch screen for $99!?!? |
| 18:43:43 | skip-99 | that doesn't sound right |
| 18:44:11 | CosmicPenguin | skip-99: Thats the story |
| 18:44:46 | cworth | skip-99: thank Phillips for throwing $30 million into this project and then canning it. :) |
| 18:44:48 | CosmicPenguin | You've seen the screenshots, I hope.... |
| 18:45:31 | CosmicPenguin | Speaking of screenshots -- cworth - are you taking snapshots of your progress? |
| 18:46:38 | skip-99 | yeah, I saw the screenshots, they look fantastic |
| 18:47:35 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: I should be, but haven't. No digital camera at home, (and somehow straight screen dumps aren't as convincing). |
| 18:47:56 | CosmicPenguin | I know how you mean, I had to borrow a co-workers camera for my shots.... |
| 18:48:04 | GoRK | cworth: what are you working on? |
| 18:48:39 | andersee | Russ|werk: not yet -- I've got distracted. I'll do that today, I promise. |
| 18:48:50 | cworth | xstroke at the moment. :) But I like RunningX and RunningFamiliar on my tuxscreen. |
| 18:49:21 | cworth | I've started porting CosmicPenguin's calibration program from MicroWindows to X. |
| 18:49:42 | GoRK | cool. im going for picogui |
| 18:50:18 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK, cworth - Did you notice I added a unified page for all the graphics engines? |
| 18:50:34 | GoRK | yeah saw that |
| 18:51:04 | CosmicPenguin | Feel free to make improvements.... |
| 18:52:39 | GoRK | i improved on the picogui page yesterday :) |
| 18:53:35 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Noticed that. |
| 18:59:12 | GoRK | bbiaw |
| 19:00:41 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: yes, I noticed that. Well done and thank you. :) It's nice to have a feeliing of unity rather than religious fighting here. ;-) |
| 19:01:07 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: Thats my goal.... |
| 19:16:33 | Russ|werk | andersee: its ok if you don't get to it |
| 19:18:59 | BZFlag | thinks "andersee doesn't get it" ;-) |
| 19:54:24 | CosmicPenguin | Wow andersee, Russ|werk -- congratulations on your promotion... :) |
| 19:55:21 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: promotion? |
| 19:55:35 | CosmicPenguin | your +o promotion.... :) |
| 19:56:49 | andersee | Hmm. What do I do with it? Doesn't pay the bills. I'll ask my wife if it makes me sexier... :) |
| 19:57:06 | andersee | She says "no" |
| 19:57:17 | CosmicPenguin | Damn.... |
| 19:57:43 | andersee | Oh well. Was worth a try. |
| 19:58:59 | joev | Heh. |
| 20:03:24 | joev | What's on the jffs root filesystem from tuxsceen.net? |
| 20:06:48 | CosmicPenguin | Busybox, tinylogin and pcmcia... |
| 20:14:04 | joev | cool. thanks. I'll be installing it tonight. |
| 22:15:52 | GoRK | andersee: the only irc promotion that makes you sexier is a umode o. not a pansy cmode o |
| 22:17:11 | GoRK | you didnt' go to dallas? |
| 22:17:32 | Meatsicle | negative |
| 22:20:50 | pattieja | just put my Audrey back together (after the scans) |
| 22:22:02 | Meatsicle | I have stuff I need to do here. |
| 22:31:44 | Meatsicle | give me a shout if anything is going on later. I'm goin to take a nap now. |
| 22:35:12 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 22:35:22 | GoRK | k later |
| 22:39:51 | GoRK | do i have to partition my CF card before I put a filesystem on it just like an IDE disk? |
| 22:40:19 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Yep |
| 22:40:20 | GoRK | eg do i do fdisk /dev/sda add a primary partition, then mke2fs /dev/sda1 |
| 22:40:28 | GoRK | ok just making sure since i hadnt really used one before |
| 22:40:45 | GoRK | i just got picogui to successfully crosso compile with uclibc |
| 22:41:36 | GoRK | and since i have no nic i gotta get it over to the phone on a flash card |
| 22:45:40 | Russ|werk | cool |
| 22:45:51 | Russ|werk | or you could you rz |
| 22:46:07 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK - Did you have to write a touchscreen driver for it |
| 22:46:14 | GoRK | i havent yet no |
| 22:46:20 | GoRK | there are already several so it should be cake |
| 22:46:31 | GoRK | there is a calibration app also |
| 22:46:43 | GoRK | hey yeah rz forgot that one. that's easier anyway |
| 22:47:05 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: What are your binary sizes? |
| 22:47:33 | GoRK | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5764 787952 Sep 14 18:27 pgserver |
| 22:47:47 | CosmicPenguin | Stripped or unstripped? Static or unstatic? |
| 22:47:47 | GoRK | That's not stripped with every font and image library it has |
| 22:48:00 | CosmicPenguin | Well, strip it man! Thats the true measure of a good app... :) |
| 22:48:04 | GoRK | static too. i didnt want to goof something up. i just want to make sure it runs |
| 22:48:14 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh.... |
| 22:48:16 | GoRK | no way dude it has debugging symbols in there i *need* |
| 22:48:25 | GoRK | hehe |
| 22:48:39 | Russ|werk | at least do it with libraries |
| 22:48:45 | Russ|werk | shared that is |
| 22:50:27 | GoRK | 430772 Sep 14 18:42 pgserver-strip-static |
| 22:50:54 | lordkiwi | got a question |
| 22:51:07 | Russ|werk | ok |
| 22:51:09 | GoRK | if i took out most of the unnecessary fonts (there are i think 10 in there now), extra widgets, and libjpeg out it would shrink down a bunch |
| 22:51:28 | Russ|werk | try it stripped/shared |
| 22:51:33 | lordkiwi | will a 5v pcmcia card physicly fit into the phone |
| 22:51:39 | Russ|werk | yes |
| 22:51:53 | Russ|werk | you can probably do some hardware hack to make it give the card 5V |
| 22:52:07 | lordkiwi | what is the PCMCIA controler chip? |
| 22:52:10 | Russ|werk | but since 3V cards are avaible, no one has spent the time |
| 22:52:14 | Russ|werk | sa1100 |
| 22:52:29 | lordkiwi | built into the cpu? |
| 22:52:35 | Russ|werk | yup |
| 22:52:52 | BZFlag | there is a support chip as well. don't recall the chip num. |
| 22:52:56 | Russ|werk | pcmcia is very simple |
| 22:52:56 | GoRK | i thought the 5v was just on a different pin and that 3.3 and 5 were available to the cards at any time... all that's missing from the phone is the 5v line... |
| 22:53:02 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: just buffers |
| 22:53:30 | Russ|werk | GoRK: I think you are only supposed to turn 5V on if the card asks |
| 22:53:39 | GoRK | oh hmm |
| 22:54:05 | GoRK | how does it ask .. pull some pin high? it's probably ridiculously easy |
| 22:54:14 | Russ|werk | but if you know its a 5V card you will have in that slot, then there is no reason not to put 5V there |
| 22:54:41 | Russ|werk | GoRK: you'd probably want to borrow some extra tri-state buffers, and hook them into some extra GPIO's |
| 22:54:41 | lordkiwi | the 5v spec came first |
| 22:55:00 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: yes, buffers I believe. and they need to be 5v capable, and afaik they are. |
| 22:55:07 | lordkiwi | 3.3v was hacked in latter |
| 22:56:04 | Russ|werk | they are probably LVC logic |
| 22:58:55 | lordkiwi | does anyone know the number of the support chip>? |
| 23:00:23 | Russ|werk | define "support chip" |
| 23:03:09 | lordkiwi | the chip between the cpu and the pcmcia bush |
| 23:03:11 | lordkiwi | bus |
| 23:04:26 | Russ|werk | just a buffer or two |
| 23:04:43 | Russ|werk | probably just the one set |
| 23:14:13 | GoRK | what is libnsl for? |
| 23:15:15 | GoRK | n/m |
| 23:17:31 | Russ|werk | releases udhcp 0.9.5 |
| 23:39:39 | GoRK | hmm what special thing do i have to tell configure in lrzsz so that it doesnt try to compile against glibc??? |
| 23:40:24 | CosmicPenguin | IIRC Russ|werk provided lz/rz binaries with his image.... does that not work for you? |
| 23:40:44 | GoRK | no i get bad symbols |
| 23:40:55 | GoRK | it's uClibc |
| 23:41:15 | GoRK | i need to compile them against this new release |
| 23:41:46 | CosmicPenguin | New release of uClibc? |
| 23:42:05 | GoRK | err not a new relase but something is funky |
| 23:42:06 | GoRK | hold on |
| 23:42:16 | GoRK | ok |
| 23:42:28 | GoRK | it was saying cannot find symbol _stderr |
| 23:42:37 | GoRK | _stdin, and _stdout also |
| 23:43:10 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I'm wondering why you need to rebuild the lz/rz package? Russ had some uClibc binaries already built.... |
| 23:45:02 | GoRK | learning mainly .. plus those binaries dont run for some reason either |
| 23:45:17 | CosmicPenguin | I am gone everybody, hopefully I will have a new MIcrowindows package on Monday |