| 01:15:29 | kerneljacabo | anybody here? |
| 01:18:16 | kerneljacabo | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:41:10 | andersee | howdy |
| 01:43:17 | Aelhaz | Hiya |
| 01:43:38 | andersee | Tried the build system? |
| 01:47:16 | Aelhaz | Nope |
| 01:47:23 | Aelhaz | been dealing with too much other stuff |
| 01:47:39 | Aelhaz | it sounds pretty nice tho |
| 01:50:14 | andersee | I just keep hoping to hear that somebody has tried it and had it work for them... :) |
| 01:54:01 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 01:57:43 | Aelhaz | i do want to give it a try |
| 02:03:21 | sammy | ohhh....when I make the kernel , and type the command make target-device_config ....but it say make: /skiff/local/arm-linux/bingcc: Command not found ,what should I support to do ? |
| 02:13:07 | andersee | sammy: what is the name of your cross compiler? |
| 02:13:20 | andersee | Something other than 'arm-linux-gcc'? |
| 02:13:53 | andersee | Edit linux/Makefile and change CROSS to match your toolchain. |
| 02:14:37 | sammy | but I have already change it to /skiff/local/arm-linux/bin |
| 02:16:12 | andersee | linux/Makefile should have CROSS_COMPILE = arm-linux- or whatever the correct prefix is. If that is not in your PATH, then add it... |
| 02:17:21 | lfjewett | Hello.. |
| 02:17:39 | lfjewett | quiet in here for so many names on the list. |
| 02:17:40 | sammy | yah , like this CROSS_COMPILE =/skiff/local/arm-linux/bin |
| 02:18:15 | andersee | sammy: Is there a /skiff/local/arm-linux/usr/bin directory? |
| 02:19:55 | sammy | ? but I don't have usr directory , only /skiff/local/arm-linux/bin where the gcc is in it... |
| 02:21:16 | andersee | What is under /skiff/local/bin then? |
| 02:21:22 | andersee | And /skiff/local/arm-linux? |
| 02:22:00 | andersee | Somewhere there will be a dir with the cross tools you are looking for... |
| 02:24:00 | sammy | and in the arm-linux have the same directory as the /skiff/local/ |
| 02:33:42 | kerneljacabo | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:33:58 | kerneljacabo | anybody here familiar with flashing the memory? |
| 02:35:14 | sammy | andersee : and the /skiff/local/lib inside is all the execute file something like arm-linux-c++ |
| 02:35:39 | kerneljacabo | sammy! |
| 02:35:42 | kerneljacabo | whats up? |
| 02:54:57 | loopstart | BZ, busy? |
| 02:59:32 | loopstart | can someone tell me of the original software( of any) of the tux? |
| 02:59:52 | lordkiwi | wiz the 5v is the older pcmcia spec right? |
| 03:01:04 | lordkiwi | wiz the 5v is the older pcmcia spec right? |
| 03:01:09 | Aelhaz | loopstart: it runs Inferno, and some other stuff |
| 03:01:20 | Aelhaz | lordkiwi: I don't know if voltage is part of the pcmcia spec per se |
| 03:01:34 | Aelhaz | lordkiwi: most pcmcia cards are 5v |
| 03:01:44 | loopstart | so there is a working telephony console running under inferno..? |
| 03:02:08 | Aelhaz | yes |
| 03:02:37 | loopstart | k |
| 03:02:49 | Aelhaz | internet tools too, but the browser is useless |
| 03:02:58 | loopstart | i c |
| 03:03:11 | loopstart | just curious about the telephony driver fromt he inferno OS |
| 03:03:12 | Aelhaz | it will dial ppp over the modem, but won't do ppp over the serial line |
| 03:03:16 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 03:03:28 | Aelhaz | it has an answering machine & caller id & whatnot, iirc |
| 03:04:10 | loopstart | ok but does it function has a simple serial modem? |
| 03:04:20 | loopstart | i mean its interface to the systek |
| 03:04:27 | loopstart | system |
| 03:05:04 | BZFlag | no answering machine. |
| 03:06:24 | BZFlag | modem does not look like a serial modem. it should handle similar issues, but is not likely to have an AT command set or anything like that. |
| 03:06:30 | Aelhaz | my mistake |
| 03:10:39 | sammy | if my LCD is 16 bpp how do I allot it ? |
| 03:11:04 | sammy | R ->5 , G -> 5 , B -> 5 or ...? |
| 03:11:33 | sammy | R->6 , G->5 , B->5 |
| 03:14:06 | Aelhaz | the lcd in the tux phone is 12 bit, iirc, but it may be possible to address it as 16 bits |
| 03:15:27 | sammy | so if that is 12 bit , how do I allot it ? R->4 ,G->4 ,B->4 ? |
| 03:21:53 | Aelhaz | i believe currently it's addressed as 8 bit with a 12 bit pallette |
| 03:22:06 | Aelhaz | don't know much more than that, sorry |
| 03:22:27 | loopstart | what the interface from the touch screen and the lcd? |
| 03:35:40 | lordkiwi | what is the pcmcia control on the phone |
| 03:49:17 | Aelhaz | loopstart: touch screen is through ucb1200, lcd controller is on-cpu |
| 03:49:30 | Aelhaz | lordkiwi: I don't understand your question, but I'm going to bed anyway |
| 03:50:53 | sammy | andersee : and now I use the cross compiler by erikm and rebuild again but still stuck on make dep ? |
| 03:51:57 | sammy | can you check it for me ? |
| 03:53:59 | andersee | sammy: ok. What am I checking? |
| 04:13:07 | loopstart | how is the interface on the original software? |
| 04:28:37 | GoRK | does anyone think that it might be possible to get the DSP to capture audio without having to replace its rom or some other hardware modification? |
| 04:28:57 | GoRK | or play audio |
| 04:29:13 | GoRK | i saw that there was a bit of discussion earlier about it |
| 04:31:17 | BZFlag | GoRK: it is expected to be possible, yes. |
| 04:31:47 | bmidgley | BZFlag: are you still going to speak at next week's plug? |
| 04:32:08 | GoRK | cool. i read that lucent paper where they talk about voip on the is2630 and it says they replaced the DSP rom to do packet audio |
| 04:32:17 | GoRK | so i was scared!!!!!!! |
| 04:34:05 | GoRK | i'm still learning much about the architecture of these beasts so that hopefully ill be useful |
| 04:39:27 | BZFlag | bmidgley: well, my wife is not free to babysit, but if we can find a sitter, then yes. |
| 04:39:43 | BZFlag | unless you want to chase my 2 year old around the room. ;-) |
| 04:40:42 | bmidgley | i know the feeling (19 mo old) |
| 04:41:59 | bmidgley | BZFlag: didn't you buy up a bunch of ethernet cards? can i buy one from you? |
| 05:41:39 | vosque | alo? |
| 05:50:48 | GoRK | which kernel image and ramdisk should i be using? im using zImage-2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 and rootfs-20010829.jffs2 and getting weird messages re: jffs and / |
| 05:51:23 | GoRK | whoops im stupid |
| 05:51:27 | GoRK | n/m |
| 05:54:39 | andersee | GoRK: why not use the stuff from CVS and build your own? |
| 06:02:10 | GoRK | andersee: Because im still just getting it going.... im going to develop on top of PicoGUI i think |
| 06:03:30 | BZFlag | nite |
| 06:07:00 | GoRK | the sourceforge cvs? |
| 06:10:25 | andersee | GoRK: yup |
| 06:11:17 | andersee | GoRK: Should make everybodys life easier, and should be easy enough to add in new things (like picogui) as well. |
| 06:11:29 | GoRK | ahh yes you were looking for people to try that out, eh? |
| 06:13:06 | GoRK | ill check it out tomorrow.. just want to get things sort of running right now |
| 06:13:42 | GoRK | i really wish my nics would get here so i could get debian on this thing. i feel so lost!!! |
| 06:15:10 | andersee | heh |
| 06:16:00 | andersee | I look forward to hearing what you think of it. Do let me know if you see any problems... |
| 06:17:30 | GoRK | will do |
| 06:17:49 | GoRK | did you know if bzflag was going to put the kernel into cvs? |
| 06:18:16 | GoRK | or who all is working on that anyway? |
| 06:21:51 | andersee | Check out my buildroot -- it does it all automagically, including the kernel. |
| 06:22:32 | andersee | downloads the source, applies the needed patches, installs the .config, compiles it up, the works. |
| 06:22:53 | GoRK | what do the batteries in the phone back up, exactly? |
| 06:23:00 | andersee | Then it downloads (if necessary) the code for user space and compiles that up too. |
| 06:23:16 | GoRK | im cvs co'ing it as we speak |
| 06:23:29 | andersee | dunno -- check the wiki or ask BZFlag... |
| 06:23:50 | andersee | It is really quite small. :) |
| 06:25:22 | GoRK | seems if it's all flash memory they are sort of useless |
| 07:07:43 | vosque | I want to get blob-2.0.4, yes? |
| 07:30:42 | vosque | looks like I do |
| 07:30:44 | vosque | hope so |
| 07:31:40 | GoRK | yes |
| 07:31:45 | GoRK | sorry didnt look over here in a while |
| 07:35:19 | GoRK | blob-2.0.4 is right |
| 07:35:22 | vosque | okay |
| 07:35:24 | vosque | great. |
| 07:35:25 | vosque | thanks |
| 07:35:31 | GoRK | no problem |
| 07:35:43 | vosque | has to do something constructive or he'll go insane |
| 07:35:53 | vosque | fortunately, I received my tuxscreens today |
| 07:36:09 | GoRK | i got mine on monday but didnt get a chance to start working until today |
| 07:41:45 | GoRK | I got linux and all installed. . . now im trying to build everything from source so i can test my cross environment... then i'm on to coding |
| 07:43:00 | GoRK | getting a funny error though |
| 07:43:09 | ` | arm-linux-ld -r -o sa1100.o generic.o irq.o dma-sa1100.o shannon.o |
| 07:43:09 | ` | make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/tuxscreen/cvs/buildroot-tux/linux/arch/arm/mach-sa1100' |
| 07:43:09 | ` | make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/tuxscreen/cvs/buildroot-tux/linux/arch/arm/mach-sa1100' |
| 07:43:09 | ` | make CFLAGS="-D__KERNEL__ -I/root/tuxscreen/cvs/buildroot-tux/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fno-common -pipe -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mshort-load-bytes -msoft-float " -C arch/arm/kernel |
| 07:43:28 | GoRK | hmm |
| 07:43:39 | GoRK | that skunked. why don't i have flood protection? |
| 09:38:07 | vosque | agh |
| 09:38:13 | vosque | finally assembled a tool to get the flash cleared. |
| 09:38:18 | vosque | fortunately, it was successful |
| 10:49:20 | vosque | re |
| 10:51:15 | vosque | HELO |
| 11:04:27 | Ottavio84 | Hi |
| 11:06:02 | Ottavio84 | I received yesterday my 2 Tuxscreens. I already Linuxed the first, and I would like to try out Microwindows, but I have a problem with the images provided in the site |
| 11:06:24 | Ottavio84 | The kernel hangs at "UCB1200 generic module installed" |
| 11:06:28 | Ottavio84 | I have blob 2.04 |
| 11:06:33 | Ottavio84 | what can I do? |
| 11:10:24 | ctr | is away: getting some lunch |
| 11:12:07 | vosque | hmm |
| 11:12:10 | vosque | I think they want you |
| 11:12:11 | vosque | ... |
| 11:12:12 | vosque | forget it |
| 11:37:54 | vosque | I checked out the new buildroot out of CVS and I got a kernel compile error. |
| 11:41:50 | rehashed | hi |
| 11:42:00 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 hours, 38 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: nite [Thu Sep 13 07:03:29 2001] |
| 11:42:00 | rehashed | ibot, seen BZFlag? |
| 12:07:08 | Ottavio84 | WHYYYYYY |
| 12:07:10 | Ottavio84 | Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30 |
| 12:07:10 | Ottavio84 | pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured |
| 12:07:10 | Ottavio84 | UCB1200 generic module installed |
| 12:07:21 | Ottavio84 | and then the kernel hangs!!! |
| 12:08:01 | ctr | is back (gone 00:57:02) |
| 12:11:15 | Ottavio84 | is there anyone? |
| 12:41:06 | kerneljacabo | hey is anyone here awake |
| 12:42:15 | kerneljacabo | ls |
| 12:43:37 | pattieja | is back (gone 38:49:23) |
| 12:44:16 | pattieja | morning |
| 12:47:39 | vosque | hmm |
| 12:47:46 | vosque | anyone else try the new build system from CVS? |
| 12:47:50 | vosque | I'm having trouble with it |
| 13:05:53 | mallum | whats up ? |
| 13:06:18 | vosque | won't load init when I bulid the image. |
| 13:06:54 | vosque | And the kernel didn't compile right, but I don't think that's the fault of the build system |
| 13:07:07 | vosque | Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
| 13:07:11 | vosque | that's about it |
| 13:07:23 | vosque | I thought it might have something to do with /sbin/init being a symlink, but that really shouldn't affect it. |
| 13:08:03 | cworth | OK, just added some notes on RunningX and RunningFamiliar to the wiki. |
| 13:14:27 | boodle | cworth: excellent |
| 13:14:40 | vosque | very cool. |
| 13:14:51 | vosque | I'll probably do something like that once I have an eth card working in it. |
| 13:15:50 | boodle | cworth: I used pivot_root to go to familiar but couldn't get X to run due to kernel version on tux being different than familiar's... they do have to match, correct? |
| 13:16:09 | boodle | hence h3600_ts.o wouldn't load |
| 13:16:25 | cworth | vosque: nod. I'm hoping to make some Familiar-based images for the flash soon. I might even squeeze tiny-X in there. |
| 13:16:50 | mallum | cworth: thx |
| 13:17:33 | vosque | Very good. |
| 13:17:34 | cworth | boodle: I'm quite sure I did not load h3600_ts... |
| 13:17:55 | vosque | are there any 802.11 card that are known to work in the tuxscreens yet? |
| 13:18:00 | vosque | just got mine last night. |
| 13:18:01 | cworth | boodle: all I did was copy some /dev files. chroot to familiar, and /etc/init.d/x start |
| 13:18:24 | boodle | cworth: heh prolly my problem then...trying to.. hmm ok |
| 13:18:48 | cworth | vosque: not that I've heard. I'm guessing they'll work though |
| 13:19:10 | vosque | okay |
| 13:19:59 | cworth | vosque: Unfortunately the default tux kernel has orinoco_cs builtin, (which has alignment problems for ARM), and not wvlan_cs. |
| 13:20:30 | vosque | that's not good. |
| 13:20:36 | vosque | I'll have to recompile |
| 13:20:39 | boodle | my 3com airconnect is recognized by kernel but doesn't power up |
| 13:20:57 | vosque | might need a reset |
| 13:21:02 | vosque | which means you're in trouble |
| 13:21:14 | boodle | part of the problem is I haven't fiddled with iw tools yet.. |
| 13:21:43 | vosque | okay |
| 13:21:45 | vosque | that's new |
| 13:21:58 | vosque | 'Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream' |
| 13:22:21 | cworth | vosque: I did pop in my Lucent card, and it appeared hopeful, (can't remember if I saw blinking lights or something), but then I hit the misalignment in orinoco_cs. |
| 13:22:28 | travis|away | when is the tuxscreen going to be sold pre loaded? |
| 13:22:30 | vosque | okay. |
| 13:23:22 | vosque | travis|away: I'm guessing not for quite some time. |
| 13:23:57 | vosque | hmm |
| 13:24:06 | mallum | boodle: I dont think X will work if you have a tux with a currently unsupported touch screen |
| 13:24:16 | vosque | when I try to specify a init, it complains about a lack of root. |
| 13:24:33 | vosque | how do you know if your touchscreen's supported? |
| 13:24:37 | boodle | mallum: so the driver failure I'm getting denotes this? |
| 13:24:48 | mallum | boodle: yes |
| 13:25:02 | boodle | mallum: time to try the 2nd one that came in :) |
| 13:25:36 | boodle | One thing I did not do is copy the /dev stuff back over familiar image.. |
| 13:25:52 | mallum | boodle: Im pretty sure thats the problem I had when I tried X. microwindows would not work either on my tux |
| 13:26:33 | boodle | mallum: I remember it complaining about the version of the module.. seems like the tux kernel built with module version checking... |
| 13:26:56 | mallum | boodle: see http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//TouchScreen |
| 13:27:32 | mallum | boodle: I could be completely wrong however - Im no hardware/kernel expert |
| 13:27:46 | boodle | mallum: ok I'll add my info there |
| 13:28:03 | cworth | mallum: hmmm... doesn't appear to be much correlation with the SN# and the touchscreen yet, (still a small sampling of course) |
| 13:28:57 | boodle | I'd be very curious to see the exact kernel version cold-booted on tux as a column in that table |
| 13:29:11 | mallum | cworth: yes I just noticed that, looking at the wiki page |
| 13:29:48 | cworth | boodle: good point. |
| 13:29:56 | vosque | Waiting for chip to read, status = 4 |
| 13:30:18 | boodle | vosque: I get 4-5 of those too on a boot |
| 13:30:21 | vosque | okay |
| 13:30:24 | vosque | cool |
| 13:30:30 | vosque | I loaded the image on the tuxscreen.net site |
| 13:32:00 | vosque | hmm |
| 13:32:01 | vosque | the speakerphone was apparently software controlled? |
| 13:32:01 | vosque | that's odd. |
| 13:32:04 | vosque | well, through the DSP, I guess. |
| 13:37:37 | mallum | cworth: were you still getting random lockups with X on the tux ? |
| 13:39:10 | boodle | prolly a silly ? but has anyone tried the ltmodem driver with it? |
| 13:39:21 | vosque | hmm |
| 13:39:31 | vosque | the xirc2ps pcmcia driver is in the kernel |
| 13:39:36 | vosque | has that been known to work? |
| 13:40:14 | cworth | mallum: I did get some lockups, but it's been running for a few days now without problems. I'm guessing that X clients may have allocated too much memory in the server... |
| 13:41:23 | cworth | mallum: time to upgrade my memory, (and maybe think about using fbvnc with the X server running remotely). |
| 13:42:59 | mallum | cworth: cool. Im still confused on why Python locks up with largeish scripts |
| 13:43:28 | mallum | remembers he has to compile it against x86 uclibc and see if that works ok |
| 13:51:02 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Do the symptoms differ from kernel to kernel? |
| 13:51:12 | vosque | okay |
| 13:51:24 | vosque | I'll need to screw around with the buildroot setup |
| 13:51:41 | vosque | The images I'm getting from the website are working, but the ones I'm building are not. |
| 14:03:32 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I've only tried on the one ( 0.3 ) kernel |
| 14:16:09 | travis|away | wants to buy a tuxscreen pre-loaded with linux... Don't have the time or patience to load myself right now |
| 15:26:32 | pattieja | is away: testing drives... |
| 15:27:21 | GoRK | I'm getting a funny message trying to compile the kernel: |
| 15:27:35 | GoRK | entry-armv.S: Assembler messages: |
| 15:27:35 | GoRK | entry-armv.S:781: Error: Internal_relocation (type 199) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) |
| 15:27:39 | GoRK | entry-armv.S:783: Error: Internal_relocation (type 197) not fixed up (IMMEDIATE)entry-armv.S:830: Error: Internal_relocation (type 199) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) |
| 15:28:00 | GoRK | entry-armv.S:1052: Error: Cannot represent SWI relocation in this object file format |
| 15:28:04 | GoRK | anyone know? |
| 15:40:41 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: compiler? |
| 15:41:12 | GoRK | the one from emdebian: |
| 15:41:12 | GoRK | [/usr/src/linux] # arm-linux-gcc -v |
| 15:41:12 | GoRK | Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/specs |
| 15:41:15 | GoRK | gcc version 2.95.2 20000313 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 15:41:45 | GoRK | This is using andersee's buildroot system |
| 15:42:54 | CosmicPenguin | mmkay... where did you get your .config for the kernel? |
| 15:43:51 | GoRK | from the sourceforge CVS in the buildroot-tux tree... so basically from andersee |
| 15:44:47 | GoRK | i have successfully compiled every userland thing i have tried |
| 16:05:54 | giuseppe | hi |
| 16:06:49 | giuseppe | is there anybody that had his tux |
| 16:06:59 | giuseppe | screen running with microwindows? |
| 16:10:33 | blzbubba | giuseppe yes, |
| 16:10:42 | blzbubba | patience |
| 16:13:49 | CosmicPenguin | He bailed on us! |
| 16:17:39 | GoRK | ok got it |
| 16:17:59 | GoRK | header and toolchain problems |
| 16:18:22 | GoRK | arm-linux-ld -r -o piggy.o -b binary piggy.gz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' |
| 16:26:10 | GoRK | --- blob question |
| 16:26:50 | GoRK | if i do download blob and then reblob am i running the blob i just uploaded from RAM -- e.g. can i test a new blob or other type bootloader without screwing up the flash? |
| 16:30:37 | vosque | does that coincide with the european one? |
| 17:10:51 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: All is still well with your family? |
| 17:11:28 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: sure |
| 17:11:35 | CosmicPenguin | Good... |
| 17:11:59 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Has something new happened? |
| 17:12:20 | CosmicPenguin | The American Express building might collapse.... |
| 17:12:39 | andersee | Is that next to the WTC? |
| 17:12:50 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: yes |
| 17:13:52 | Ottavio84 | Has it received so much damage from the wtc collapse?? |
| 17:24:20 | cory | there was a lot of crap falling down |
| 17:25:06 | vosque | they're saying the WFC might go, too |
| 17:25:11 | vosque | It was on fire yesterday |
| 17:47:38 | GoRK | andersee: I tried out your buildroot stuff |
| 17:48:42 | GoRK | I had a toolchain problem and the kernel wasn't compiling, but that is fixed. The only problem I am having now is that I can't seem to get the base compiled kernel+image to boot. I get this error: |
| 17:48:54 | GoRK | fatfs: bogus logical sector size 408 |
| 17:48:54 | GoRK | Child dir "." (ino #1) of dir ino #1 appears to be a hard link |
| 17:48:54 | GoRK | VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem). |
| 17:48:54 | GoRK | Freeing init memory: 68K |
| 17:48:57 | GoRK | Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
| 18:30:58 | andersee | GoRK: Ugh. Could be a problem with mkfs.jffs2... |
| 18:31:29 | andersee | GoRK: I'll take a look this evening (unless someone beats me to it) |
| 18:38:43 | GoRK | andersee (or anyone): is there a seperate jffs2 patch for the kernel I can apply on my development PC? |
| 18:41:35 | GoRK | hmm is it in the -ac distribution? |
| 18:43:04 | andersee | For what purpose (there is likely no flash in your devel PC)? |
| 18:44:01 | andersee | If you look in the mtd snapshot (in buildroot-tux/util) there is a tool called jffs2reader which I recently fixed up so I could take a look inside jffs2 images |
| 18:44:38 | GoRK | you can't mount them with -o loop ? |
| 18:44:44 | mallum | GoRK: its in ac but you cant mount jffs2 via loopback |
| 18:44:53 | GoRK | oh. my apologies |
| 18:45:27 | GoRK | can i use jffs2 on a CF card between my PC and the phone? |
| 18:45:32 | andersee | Thats why I make jffs2reader behave itself. Give you the same result -- you can examine structure, permissions, and pull out files |
| 18:45:34 | mallum | GoRK: np. I only know cos I tried doing it for ages :) |
| 18:45:57 | mallum | andersee: jffs2reader sounds cool |
| 18:46:04 | andersee | kant tipe |
| 18:46:18 | GoRK | or would you suggest that I use a different filesystem on my CF card? |
| 18:47:06 | andersee | See, a CF card has the interface of an IDE disk. So standard filesystems like ext2 and such are best |
| 18:47:22 | andersee | You can't directly access the flash chips... |
| 18:47:31 | GoRK | ok that makes sense enough then. i see now |
| 18:50:30 | mallum | GoRK: AFAIK it way be best to use a journaled filesytem on the cf as that will reduce writes ( or is that deletes ) which will make it last longer |
| 18:50:36 | mallum | s/way/may/ |
| 18:51:03 | GoRK | yes i was probably going to use ext3 so i can mount it readonly ext2 in the phone |
| 18:51:22 | GoRK | now that jffs is out |
| 18:51:39 | mallum | GoRK: I think the 0.3 kernel has rieserFS support built in too |
| 18:51:45 | GoRK | hmm none of the other images have /linuxrc symlinked |
| 18:52:04 | GoRK | but andersee's buildroot does |
| 18:53:33 | vosque | hey |
| 18:53:39 | vosque | fry's had the trendnet pcmcia cards. |
| 18:53:49 | vosque | rock on. First time I went there and they had what I needed. |
| 19:00:11 | mallum | I went to frys when I was in sv |
| 19:00:17 | mallum | Id never seen anything like it |
| 19:00:36 | mallum | we dont have supermarkets as big as that place let alone computer shops |
| 19:02:22 | AlHazWork | I've never been to a fry's, tho I've been within sight of them in phoenix and somewhere south of santa rosa, ca |
| 19:02:44 | GoRK | i havent ever been to one either, but i'd really like to go |
| 19:03:08 | AlHazWork | Next time i get to phx, I'll have to actually visit one |
| 19:03:15 | AlHazWork | well, the one in phoenix |
| 19:06:28 | GoRK | andersee: do you have a mkfs.jffs2 binary that works? |
| 19:06:55 | GoRK | if you could send it to me, I can check if it's that is my problem |
| 19:08:27 | vosque | heh |
| 19:08:30 | vosque | I live in Tempe |
| 19:08:33 | vosque | I went to the one there. |
| 19:14:56 | AlHazWork | I live in Utah, and we're not cool enough to have anything higher tech than CompUSA |
| 19:15:27 | CosmicPenguin | To be fair, we had others, but they went bankrupt.... |
| 19:15:47 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: maybe in salt lake city |
| 19:16:10 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Very true |
| 19:16:26 | CosmicPenguin | Lindon is not the tech capital of the world |
| 19:16:48 | AlHazWork | well, I live in orem, but it's the same thing |
| 19:17:34 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, I failed "geography of happy valley" |
| 19:17:38 | CosmicPenguin | in school... :) |
| 19:17:49 | AlHazWork | incredible universe was just a really huge radioshack |
| 19:18:00 | AlHazWork | lousy prices, unpredictable inventory |
| 19:18:18 | AlHazWork | and - I don't know how - but somehow they made that huge building seem claustrophobic |
| 19:19:00 | AlHazWork | I'm vaguely aware that there used to be some other sort of large computer store in south SLC |
| 19:21:18 | GoRK | does anyone have a mkfs.jffs2 binary that they have used to create a root fs for their phone? |
| 19:25:59 | mallum | GoRK: Does CosmicPenguin have one ? |
| 19:26:29 | BZFlag | GoRK: you can get one buy running andersee's build scripts. ;-) |
| 19:26:33 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm... I do, but i wonder if the MTD has a better version |
| 19:26:55 | andersee | GoRK: The mkfs.jffs2 you are using is the very latest from the mtd CVS. The problem is that I have been adjusting it and (from your report) there may be a problem... |
| 19:28:33 | vosque | there is a problem with the build root scripts? |
| 19:29:15 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: The one used with my buildroot is the latest and greatest. It looks like I need to fix things. I suspect that if one makes the needed /dev nodes as root and eliminates the device table command line option, it _should_ work. I must have made a mistake somewhere when adjusting mkfs.jffs2 for device tables.... |
| 19:30:04 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Ok... you are using devfs then? |
| 19:30:05 | GoRK | hmmmm..... |
| 19:30:09 | andersee | nope |
| 19:30:41 | CosmicPenguin | So you are suffering from "It works on my machine" syndrome? |
| 19:31:30 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I have modified mkfs.jffs2 (my changes are in the MTD cvs tree) to allow it to read a "device table" file, which can modify permissions, and create dirs "on the fly"... |
| 19:31:35 | GoRK | well yes i have the one that was built from the scripts but i want to rule out mkfs as the problem. I'm going to try to use it to remake another rootfs from the .tar and see if that works and if not then ill try to use it with a different kernel... could it just be the kernel maybe? |
| 19:32:47 | andersee | Could be. Easy enough to check. Flash in a working system and check that it boots. Then flash in just the kernel from my buildroot system. If that works, my kernel is good... |
| 19:32:56 | GoRK | hmm that worked |
| 19:33:05 | GoRK | ok mkfs.jffs2 must not be the problem |
| 19:33:18 | andersee | What worked? |
| 19:33:20 | GoRK | and i used your device_table instead of the files in /dev |
| 19:33:56 | GoRK | mkfs.jffs2 making an image out of the rootfs-20010829.tar.bz2 minus the /dev tree which i used your device_table for |
| 19:33:59 | GoRK | it booted fine |
| 19:34:21 | andersee | Hmm, ok. Thats good to know. |
| 19:34:38 | andersee | is relieved |
| 19:35:02 | andersee | Anyway, if you can isolate the problem that would be very cool |
| 19:35:29 | GoRK | working on it. should /linuxrc be a symlink to busybox? |
| 19:36:53 | andersee | If it is, and if we are booting as an initrd, then /linuxrc will invoke, effectively, /sbin/init |
| 19:37:51 | GoRK | busybox is crazy!!!! |
| 19:38:07 | GoRK | ok im going to recompile everything except the kernel which i know works |
| 19:38:14 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: crazy good or crazy bad? |
| 19:38:36 | GoRK | that would be good |
| 19:38:51 | GoRK | when is somoene going to build perl into it? |
| 19:39:10 | GoRK | heh |
| 19:39:12 | vosque | busybox rules. |
| 19:39:26 | vosque | really wished familliar would just adopt it and save us a hell of a lot of space. |
| 19:39:33 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: You putting that on your list? :-) (kidding) |
| 19:40:36 | GoRK | will busybox's ash source a login script? |
| 19:40:58 | andersee | sure |
| 19:41:11 | GoRK | ~/.ashrc or .profile or which |
| 19:41:34 | andersee | /etc/profile works |
| 19:41:40 | GoRK | here goes |
| 19:41:44 | andersee | Or are you talking about per user? |
| 19:42:04 | GoRK | no just one user is cool. it is embedded after all |
| 19:42:16 | GoRK | after i recompiled everything it still didnt work |
| 19:42:48 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 19:43:03 | GoRK | that same hard link junk |
| 19:43:35 | andersee | I wonder.. Could you modify the device table to _not_ create /dev and add /dev to skel.tar instead? |
| 19:43:56 | andersee | I wonder if I foobared dir creation... |
| 19:45:35 | GoRK | i dont think so. i used the device table to create /dev for my mkfs.jffs2 test on the 0.3 rootfs |
| 19:47:30 | andersee | What wat the exact error msg again? |
| 19:47:41 | andersee | err. s/wat/was/ |
| 19:48:02 | GoRK | fatfs: bogus logical sector size 408 |
| 19:48:02 | GoRK | Child dir "." (ino #1) of dir ino #1 appears to be a hard link |
| 19:48:02 | GoRK | VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem). |
| 19:48:02 | GoRK | Freeing init memory: 68K |
| 19:48:03 | GoRK | Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
| 19:48:43 | GoRK | i also tried replacing linuxrc with the script from the working rootfs |
| 19:49:42 | andersee | Hmm. Anyway I could grab a copy of your jffs2 fs? |
| 19:50:40 | andersee | It is probably only ~300k |
| 19:50:51 | cworth | vosque: Familiar could easily be convinced to adopt busybox... |
| 19:51:21 | BZFlag | andersee: cvs commit. ;-) |
| 19:51:39 | vosque | cworth: You think so? It seemed to me like they wanted to remain somewhat debian like |
| 19:51:44 | cworth | all that's needed is an ipkg for busybox, (using update-alternatives with a low priority to generate the links), that works with task-bootstrap. |
| 19:52:18 | vosque | hmm |
| 19:52:21 | BZFlag | cworth: the c lib is the issue. |
| 19:52:27 | cworth | vosque: well, with update-alternatives and the like, (ipkg will do Provides soon), users can install GNU tar if they really need it. |
| 19:52:27 | vosque | nah |
| 19:52:39 | cworth | BZFlag: busybox also works with glibc, no? |
| 19:52:40 | BZFlag | busybox is easy, but all the familiar apps are glibc |
| 19:52:52 | vosque | busybox works just fine with real glibc. |
| 19:52:57 | vosque | Which I need to use on my iPAQ |
| 19:53:01 | cworth | BZFlag: yes, glibc would be a much harder sell. |
| 19:53:04 | BZFlag | cworth: yes. I thought you meant to run on the TuxScree. the extra meg of space is a big deal here. |
| 19:53:11 | cworth | BZFlag: uclibc I mean. |
| 19:53:17 | BZFlag | right. |
| 19:53:21 | AlHazWork | There are probably scripts included with familiar that will need tweaking before they will work with busybox |
| 19:53:28 | cworth | ah, no I was talking iPAQ there. |
| 19:53:30 | AlHazWork | someone ought to dive in and figure out what they are, and how to fix them, tho |
| 19:53:35 | vosque | AlHazWork: ipkg is an ash script.. |
| 19:53:45 | AlHazWork | vosque: it's not that |
| 19:53:54 | vosque | which one's specifically? |
| 19:53:57 | vosque | any idea? |
| 19:53:59 | AlHazWork | vosque: bb-grep, for instance, doesn't support all the options grep does |
| 19:54:08 | cworth | vosque: yes, but there are non-busybox options for sed and tar that are currently used in ipkg. |
| 19:54:13 | AlHazWork | vosque: so any script using gnu-grep will have to be checked to see if it works with bb-grep |
| 19:54:21 | vosque | Ah, alright. |
| 19:54:28 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: I've done it. there are a couple of sed and tar and wget things in ipkg. easy edits. I've done it on a number of boxes now. |
| 19:54:45 | vosque | :doesn't run full familliar.. I use QPE on the ipaq. |
| 19:54:48 | vosque | agh |
| 19:55:01 | vosque | s-\:-/me-; |
| 19:55:08 | cworth | BZFlag: I'm motivated to make a bb/Familiar now for my tuxscreen, but that should translate over to the iPAQ as well. |
| 19:55:21 | BZFlag | very true. |
| 19:56:00 | GoRK | i am only motivated for PicoGUI mmmmmmmmmm tasty |
| 19:56:42 | cworth | personally, I can't live on my tuxscreen without remote-displayed X apps. Might go the vnc route to preserve memory on the phone though... |
| 19:57:08 | vosque | cworth: I was thinking exactly the same thing. |
| 19:57:26 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Can we call you the TuxScreen PicoGUI expert? |
| 19:57:28 | vosque | fbvnc is really cool. |
| 19:57:38 | lordkiwi | I cant get anything shiped its driving me crazy |
| 19:58:37 | mallum | GoRK: I compiled PicoGui on my desktop the other day |
| 19:58:59 | mallum | GoRK: It uses SDL thought right - does that not make it a little bulky ? |
| 20:00:18 | GoRK | it can use SDL, fb, serial LCD, or a number of other interfaces. it's self contained |
| 20:01:08 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Can you be convinced to say a few words about PicoGUI on the wiki? |
| 20:01:22 | GoRK | i will once i get something workable |
| 20:01:23 | CosmicPenguin | Instructions, URLs and other timely advice? |
| 20:01:23 | mallum | GoRK: but doesn't it use SDL to speak to the fb ? |
| 20:01:36 | GoRK | no it doesnt have to use sdl |
| 20:01:51 | CosmicPenguin | I think that it would be nice if we can get as many graphics engines as possible running on the tuxscreen |
| 20:02:06 | GoRK | stripped elf's of picogui are about 100k the webpage says. the author has it running on a uCsimm |
| 20:02:31 | GoRK | it can run on top of microwindows too, i think |
| 20:02:37 | GoRK | just in case you want to do that |
| 20:02:43 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Can it write directly to the FB or not? |
| 20:02:48 | GoRK | im checking |
| 20:03:49 | GoRK | yep |
| 20:03:50 | GoRK | if (!(fbdev_fd = open("/dev/fb0", O_RDWR))) |
| 20:03:57 | CosmicPenguin | Impressive |
| 20:04:18 | GoRK | or it can use sdlfb |
| 20:05:01 | GoRK | oh yeah also for whoever it was that wanted to hand the tuxscreen upside down it has built in screen rotation 90 or 180 degrees |
| 20:05:28 | GoRK | i think the only component that we'll have to write to get picogui working is the touchscreen driver |
| 20:05:47 | GoRK | and then a calibration program... but that's not going to be hard |
| 20:06:08 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: What is the API like? Is it X like? |
| 20:06:33 | BZFlag | eep. /me broke cvs... |
| 20:06:59 | GoRK | it's client/server but fonts, bitmaps, and even widgets are all in the server |
| 20:07:18 | GoRK | apps aren't very portable into or out of picogui |
| 20:07:47 | GoRK | i also like the theme support :) |
| 20:08:01 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Too bad - I had a Microwindows calibrator that cworth is converting to X. I thought it might see life under a third GUI |
| 20:08:38 | GoRK | well i think it would still be useful. i know a client program can draw raw graphics. . . i think there is a canvas widget |
| 20:09:35 | andersee | BZFlag: whatd you do now? |
| 20:11:12 | BZFlag | heh, turned on bb nfs, but not uclibc rpc. fixing now... |
| 20:13:32 | BZFlag | should be fixed now. building. |
| 20:13:42 | andersee | cool. |
| 20:14:01 | andersee | I seem to recall that Russ had a page somewhere listing all modes he made from stock... |
| 20:14:11 | andersee | Might be worth consulting. |
| 20:14:19 | pattieja | is back (gone 04:47:46) |
| 20:16:38 | andersee | BZFlag: did you just add uClibc.patch? |
| 20:18:30 | bmidgley_ | GoRK: that open call is weird. usually the test is >= 0 for success |
| 20:18:33 | BZFlag | yes and then a change as well. also busybox.patch |
| 20:18:44 | andersee | uClibc/uClibc_config.h is a generated file... You should just add INCLUDE_RPC=true on the make command line, or use perl to modify uClibc/Config |
| 20:18:57 | GoRK | bmidgley_: that's not the whole thing |
| 20:19:02 | bmidgley_ | maybe all the fds were closed so they knew it would take 0? |
| 20:19:17 | BZFlag | andersee: I patched config.arm instead. cvs update -PdA now. |
| 20:20:00 | andersee | Umm. But that patch won't apply. |
| 20:20:01 | BZFlag | though the make option might be a cleaner approach... hmm. |
| 20:20:20 | BZFlag | hmm. it jus did here. did you update again? |
| 20:20:28 | bmidgley_ | vosque: are you using fbvnc on tuxscreen? |
| 20:21:11 | BZFlag | oh. nevermind... |
| 20:21:12 | andersee | "#define __UCLIBC_HAS_RPC__ 1" doesn't fit into uClibc/extra/Configs/Config.arm |
| 20:21:24 | BZFlag | my build just died... |
| 20:22:04 | andersee | If you look at uClibc/extra/Configs/Config.arm you will see you need a patch like -INCLUDE_RPC = false |
| 20:22:09 | andersee | +INCLUDE_RPC = ture |
| 20:22:20 | andersee | Better yet, don't patch it, use make... |
| 20:25:46 | BZFlag | well, I fixed the patch. (I think) |
| 20:30:43 | AlHazWork | oops, cut off my tunnel |
| 20:31:01 | mallum | ooh err |
| 20:31:06 | mallum | missus |
| 20:34:07 | GoRK | actually now that i finally got picogui running on my own system this is really going to be awesome |
| 20:34:16 | GoRK | there is already a screen calibration program also |
| 20:36:54 | BZFlag | andersee: nfsmount.o(.text+0xbc): undefined reference to `pmap_getmaps' <- still getting. =( |
| 20:38:36 | BZFlag | ahh, rebuild of uClibc does not update the staging_dir. I nuked that and rebuilt it. proceeding. |
| 20:44:13 | andersee | Yeah. Sorry about that -- that should be fixed... |
| 20:44:40 | andersee | Or rather, someone should fix that... ;) |
| 20:46:47 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: You have PicoGUI running? |
| 20:50:00 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I've got it runnign ( not on TUX ) |
| 20:50:18 | CosmicPenguin | Ohh.... |
| 20:51:11 | mallum | Its very thin on docs though at the mo :( |
| 20:52:50 | mallum | Im not 100% sure what Im actually doing, but I've had it open up a window ( on X ) and display its supplied apps in it |
| 20:55:45 | BZFlag | andersee: fb numbers are jumping by 32 as well as the node ids. |
| 20:56:03 | andersee | Ugh. |
| 20:56:36 | andersee | Sounds like I made a nasty mistake in mkfs.jffs2 -- indexing the wrong item.. |
| 20:56:44 | andersee | Lemme take a look.... |
| 20:56:59 | BZFlag | and there are 32 of them instead of 4 |
| 20:57:13 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: not on the phone yet, though that will probably be only a couple days if even that |
| 20:57:25 | andersee | Oh geez... |
| 20:57:28 | andersee | crw-r----- 1 0 5 2 Sep 13 15:58 /dev/fb0 |
| 20:57:28 | andersee | crw-r----- 1 0 5 2 Sep 13 15:58 /dev/fb32 |
| 20:57:28 | andersee | crw-r----- 1 0 5 2 Sep 13 15:58 /dev/fb64 |
| 20:57:28 | andersee | crw-r----- 1 0 5 2 Sep 13 15:58 /dev/fb96 |
| 20:57:38 | GoRK | andersee: is this the one that i sent you? |
| 20:57:46 | andersee | Yup. That would be me screwing things... |
| 20:58:28 | GoRK | that's cool. once i get a root that i can build im going to start picogui work |
| 20:58:31 | andersee | the increment is supposed to be moding the minor #... |
| 20:58:44 | andersee | feels foolish |
| 20:59:02 | BZFlag | heh, that's what testers are for. ;-) |
| 20:59:13 | GoRK | i dont have a NIC yet so i have to work off of flash till then |
| 20:59:32 | GoRK | well i have some 5V ones but that doesnt help |
| 20:59:44 | GoRK | bbiaw |
| 21:00:06 | BZFlag | hmm... we should add pppd to the rootfs for those nfsroot over serial masochists. |
| 21:00:25 | andersee | Could use slip for that... |
| 21:00:37 | CosmicPenguin | Ugh.... I would rather eat glass.... :) |
| 21:01:32 | BZFlag | ir should run at at least 230400 so with compression it might be barely tolerable. |
| 21:01:41 | BZFlag | s/ir/it/ |
| 21:07:28 | andersee | I think I have it fixed. Lemme fix jffs2reader so it shows major/minor like ls does so I can be sure |
| 21:09:25 | BZFlag | that was going to me my next comment. ;-) |
| 21:09:32 | BZFlag | that was going to be my next comment. ;-) |
| 21:12:00 | BZFlag | skel.tar is not needed now, right? |
| 21:13:56 | andersee | It does create some symlinks, which I can't (currently) create via the device table... |
| 21:14:38 | andersee | It would be easy enough to fix that up... I just havn't yet. |
| 21:15:44 | BZFlag | ok. |
| 21:16:24 | BZFlag | I updated mtd cvs and re mkfs but still have the fb issues. you didn't commit them yet? |
| 21:16:45 | meatsicle | is there any way to boot the inferno os from the blob loader? |
| 21:16:55 | BZFlag | meatsicle: not at present. |
| 21:17:13 | meatsicle | but it is possible. |
| 21:17:20 | BZFlag | though the free inferno will run on x86 under X11 |
| 21:17:57 | meatsicle | yes but I would like to load blob on the phone and be able to run either linux or inferno. |
| 21:18:05 | BZFlag | so if your tux has linux and x, many of the apps should run remotely. no DSP access that way though. |
| 21:18:14 | AlHazWork | meatsicle: there aint room for both |
| 21:18:22 | AlHazWork | we're only talking about 4 megs of flash here |
| 21:18:24 | BZFlag | meatsicle: no dual boot option at this point. |
| 21:18:28 | meatsicle | I realize that. but I mean one or the other. |
| 21:18:47 | meatsicle | its just the bootloader replacement that is a pain. |
| 21:19:01 | BZFlag | blob might get kernel/initrd over tftp/cf at some point, then it might be possible to hack up dual boot support. |
| 21:19:12 | meatsicle | yeah that would be cool. |
| 21:19:20 | meatsicle | who is doing work on the lucent dsp driver for linux? |
| 21:19:31 | BZFlag | check the LucentDSP wiki page. |
| 21:19:41 | BZFlag | folks that are working on it should register there, |
| 21:20:36 | meatsicle | I'm not seeing any names. |
| 21:22:08 | meatsicle | those schematics are neat though |
| 21:31:26 | andersee | BZFlag: I've got the reader showing symlink targets now (had to do the same amount to work to read link targets and to read major/minor) |
| 21:32:04 | BZFlag | cool. holler when it's in cvs. |
| 21:32:39 | BZFlag | you know you can use the ram mtd device for testing, right? |
| 21:33:28 | andersee | Why do that when I can read things w/o the kernel's help? :) |
| 21:34:19 | BZFlag | 84906 wiki page views this month. |
| 21:34:36 | BZFlag | andersee: what evern floats your boat. |
| 21:35:41 | andersee | cool, its working. :) |
| 21:35:56 | andersee | is a super genius |
| 21:36:05 | andersee | anvil falls on head |
| 21:36:19 | andersee | bird escapes |
| 21:38:15 | GoRK | so is that problem i was having fixed in the cvs andersee? |
| 21:39:50 | andersee | Its about to be in about 1 minute |
| 21:40:27 | GoRK | ok well i have to jet for an hour or two anyway so ill catch you this evening maybe |
| 21:49:37 | andersee | BZFlag: k, its in CVS... |
| 21:55:33 | andersee | the mtd cvs tree that is... 'cd buildroot-tux/mtd/util; cvs up; make' |
| 23:06:11 | joev | Anyone ever try to do a "c F!all D!inferno.img"? |
| 23:08:37 | joev | hrm. |
| 23:11:21 | CosmicPenguin | joev: Never worked for me.... |
| 23:11:32 | joev | Darn.. I want to back up Inferno.. |
| 23:11:50 | joev | I issue the command, and sboot just sits there. |
| 23:12:13 | joev | I want to make sure everything's cool before I "bite the bullet", and make a nice new paperweight. |
| 23:13:43 | CosmicPenguin | I think that somebody probably has an inferno image or two laying around if you really want to put inferno back on... |
| 23:14:01 | joev | Yeah.. I'll just go for it, I guess. |
| 23:14:10 | CosmicPenguin | note however, that if the tuxscreen blobbing doesn't work, then the inferno backup will do you no good |
| 23:14:52 | joev | Yeah, I'll have to bust out my soldering iron if that happens :^( |
| 23:15:10 | CosmicPenguin | Not to scare you or anything, of course..... |
| 23:15:17 | joev | heh. That' why I have two :^) |
| 23:15:52 | CosmicPenguin | joev: If the first one breaks, does that make you more or less confient about the second one? |
| 23:16:12 | joev | neither :^/but it will be "back to the 'ol drawing board" |
| 23:16:28 | CosmicPenguin | Good luck.... |
| 23:16:37 | joev | I don't expect too much trouble, though.. I mean, I get the rdp connection just fine. |
| 23:16:38 | joev | Thanks |
| 23:17:07 | joev | Maybe the flash has to be unprotected for me to copy the inferno image out.. |
| 23:18:02 | CosmicPenguin | I thought so too, but no..... |
| 23:18:12 | joev | hm. |
| 23:18:15 | joev | wish me luck :^) |
| 23:18:19 | CosmicPenguin | Good luck.... |
| 23:18:31 | CosmicPenguin | I am headed for the gym, and then home for a good evening of tuxscreen programing (i hope) |
| 23:18:37 | joev | have fun |
| 23:18:39 | CosmicPenguin | bye! |
| 23:18:41 | joev | thanks for yr help |
| 23:53:31 | pattieja | just finished putting up the images for the Audrey (again). |
| 23:54:02 | pattieja | This time there are four extra scanned images of the motherboard and riser card, if anyone wants to look at them again and see if they can make anything out of what's there. |
| 23:54:03 | pattieja | Thanks |
| 23:54:09 | pattieja | www.pcxperience.com/audrey |