| 02:51:01 | kerneljacabo | hey quick question |
| 02:51:20 | kerneljacabo | if anyone is awake |
| 02:53:10 | kerneljacabo | hello? |
| 02:53:23 | | kerneljacabo: no idea |
| 02:53:23 | kerneljacabo | ibot have you seen kerneljacabo? |
| 02:53:58 | kerneljacabo | yo |
| 05:07:49 | Aelhaz | Man alive, I had no idea the jailbait linux distro would be *so *bad . . . |
| 05:08:07 | Aelhaz | what were they thinking . . . |
| 05:17:17 | Meatsicle | dang |
| 05:19:36 | Meatsicle | hey Gork |
| 12:53:34 | pattieja | morning |
| 12:53:38 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: morning |
| 12:53:52 | pattieja | hello CosmicPenguin |
| 12:54:49 | cworth | morning CosmicPenguin. |
| 12:55:07 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: did you say you have some calibration code for me? :) |
| 12:55:30 | CosmicPenguin | Sure, lemme get my laptop set up.... |
| 13:05:54 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: Ready for a DCC? |
| 15:12:17 | kerneljacabo | hey guys |
| 15:13:09 | kerneljacabo | anybody in here willing to take on a question |
| 15:13:10 | CosmicPenguin | kerneljacabo: Hows it going? |
| 15:13:15 | kerneljacabo | its going good |
| 15:13:23 | kerneljacabo | can i ask you a question real quick |
| 15:14:02 | AlHazWork | you've asked two already |
| 15:14:03 | andersee | sure. Wanna ask another one? |
| 15:14:13 | CosmicPenguin | Mmm... questions.... |
| 15:14:19 | kerneljacabo | yup |
| 15:14:27 | AlHazWork | it's in the wiki |
| 15:14:36 | kerneljacabo | when i try o run jflash it gives me an error of cannot read manufacturer id |
| 15:15:22 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Doh! |
| 15:16:44 | kerneljacabo | any ideas? |
| 15:18:05 | AlHazWork | None at all |
| 15:18:21 | AlHazWork | I think the parallel port needs to be set to EPP, check that |
| 15:19:25 | kerneljacabo | from bios you mean? |
| 15:19:39 | AlHazWork | right |
| 15:19:45 | AlHazWork | ECP won't work |
| 15:21:43 | kerneljacabo | ok ill be back. do i need to do any linux configuration to change parport to epp |
| 15:22:53 | AlHazWork | shouldn't |
| 15:23:05 | kerneljacabo | ok ill be back |
| 15:33:12 | BZFlag | AlHazWork: needs to be bi-di, _not_ EPP |
| 15:34:59 | bmidgley | dlink dfe-670 doesn't work (see wiki) |
| 15:35:00 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: hmm, my mistake. I haven't seen a bidirectional option in most bioses, tho |
| 15:35:21 | AlHazWork | bmidgley: pcnet_cs sometimes reports it couldn't find an MII on my trendnet nic, but it works anyway |
| 15:36:35 | bmidgley | i tried ignoring the error but after ifconfiging the card i can't ping my router |
| 15:37:18 | AlHazWork | hmm |
| 15:39:12 | bmidgley | after inserting the card, the only module loaded is 8390 |
| 15:39:19 | bmidgley | shouldn't pcnet_cs be loaded too? |
| 15:39:53 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 15:40:29 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: I get the same warning on my card (probably because we have the same card... :-) ) |
| 15:40:35 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, just another success report... :) |
| 15:41:04 | bmidgley | CosmicPenguin: yours works? |
| 15:41:40 | CosmicPenguin | I have a Trendnet.... sorry, that wasn't very clear... |
| 15:42:11 | andersee | Has anyone tried my buildroot-tux thing? |
| 15:43:21 | bmidgley | CosmicPenguin: for nfsroot?? |
| 15:43:50 | bmidgley | err, andersee: |
| 15:44:04 | CosmicPenguin | bmidgley... :) |
| 15:47:34 | AlHazWork | finally got the new bios chip for my iopener last night, and now I'm wondering if there's an iopener-geared linux distro that doesn't suck |
| 15:48:09 | AlHazWork | I've installed jailbait, and I'm at a loss as to how they came to the conclusions about how they had to set it up that they aparantly did |
| 15:48:34 | AlHazWork | half a dozen partitions with cramfs images in them, for starters |
| 15:49:11 | andersee | bmidgley: It is for just typing 'make' and automagically sucking down sources and patches and building all the software for the tuxscreen. When it is done, it dumps out a jffs2 target image and a kernel, all ready to flash. Makes it _very_ easy to make updates. |
| 15:49:50 | andersee | AlHazWork: Makes it easy to swap out bits and pieces I suppose... |
| 15:51:46 | AlHazWork | andersee: *shrug* I don't quite understand how. every directory off of / has it's own partition, and they're using lilo to boot, a partition . . . |
| 15:51:58 | AlHazWork | and then the one place they have a regular filesystem, it's ext2 |
| 15:52:47 | AlHazWork | Where I'm at with it, I don't like the idea of running 2.4.0test1, but it looks like it could be an incredible PITA to replace it |
| 15:53:09 | andersee | I wasn't suggesting it made sense -- just trying to understand the twisted soul that put it together... :) |
| 15:54:34 | AlHazWork | andersee: under "known issues" they list "can't su to root as a normal user - tinylogin probably needs updating" and "rxvt doesn't work as a normal user, probably a problem with devfs" which both lead me to believe it's compiled by morons |
| 15:55:07 | AlHazWork | they've got unix98 pty's and devpts fs compiled into the kernel, but they're not mounting /dev/pts - that explains rxvt not working immediately |
| 15:55:15 | andersee | i.e. never discovered 4755 for tinylogin? |
| 15:55:27 | AlHazWork | and they would only have to RTFM to figure out tinylogin |
| 15:55:33 | andersee | right. |
| 15:56:28 | andersee | That is why I finally in the latest versions, FORCE it to be installed setuid root, since I kept getting so many idiots whining about "Its broken -- I can't su!" |
| 15:57:20 | AlHazWork | My guess, as to multiple cramfs partitions, is that they simply don't grok the concept of mount points . . . |
| 15:57:40 | AlHazWork | I'm even *more confused by the fact that /lib/modules is a symlink to /boot/modules |
| 15:58:04 | AlHazWork | that makes it seem like they had som clue that they could maybe do it properly, but didn't follow through |
| 15:58:12 | andersee | I've done that before -- when wanting to keep all kernel stuff on the same partition... |
| 15:58:20 | AlHazWork | right, but they didn't |
| 15:58:24 | andersee | oh |
| 15:58:26 | andersee | idiots |
| 15:58:39 | AlHazWork | the kernel is aparantly dd'd to hdb2 |
| 15:58:54 | AlHazWork | which *works, but . . . . |
| 15:58:59 | andersee | geez |
| 16:00:07 | AlHazWork | I'd have made it a 16 meg minix fs, mounted a cramfs file through loopback, and symlinked in the stuff that simply must be read/write |
| 16:00:23 | AlHazWork | or, something |
| 16:00:38 | AlHazWork | make /boot minixfs, / cramfs |
| 16:01:11 | AlHazWork | immitate the way /tmp and /var are ramfs in familiar |
| 16:01:22 | AlHazWork | *shrug* |
| 16:01:25 | AlHazWork | just not what they did . . . |
| 16:01:47 | BZFlag | andersee: SF is having openldap issues. you account is broken. I asked em to fix it soon, we'll see. |
| 16:01:48 | AlHazWork | I'll give it another look tonight, see if i can make head or tail of it |
| 16:02:12 | Russ|werk | andersee: is anything moving to sf? |
| 16:02:44 | AlHazWork | andersee: the shocking bit is that they went to such pains to make everything small / compressed, and then stuck netscape 4.7 on it |
| 16:03:38 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Thats what you have to do to fit netscape on, right... :) |
| 16:04:09 | AlHazWork | we really need a good compressed filesystem for block devices. Maybe I'll give that mtd emulation for block devices w/ jffs2 thing a whirl |
| 16:04:49 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I suppose |
| 16:05:18 | AlHazWork | I'm about ready to install embedix on it and hack up a kernel for nfsroot-over-usb |
| 16:05:21 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: the MTD emulation is sort of the holy grail of embedded folks.... |
| 16:05:49 | andersee | BZFlag: thx |
| 16:05:53 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: how do you mean? |
| 16:06:30 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Just blabbering, sorry.... I have wanted a journaling filesystem for my CF for a long time now.... |
| 16:07:07 | andersee | Russ|werk: As soon as SF gets their crap under control I'll be checking in my buildroot system to make it easy for people to modify and keep it under control |
| 16:07:44 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: We going to start doing more CVS stuff now that we are a bit more stable? |
| 16:10:40 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: Yes, it would be really nice |
| 16:10:52 | andersee | I dunno about BZFlag, but thats my plan -- I hate working with unreproducable hand rolled stuff, since I always end up rolling something wrong... |
| 16:16:21 | BZFlag | agreed. we should get the patches and buildscripts into CVS. ideally with a simple config someplace to change which things you want to build. |
| 16:21:10 | Russ|werk | wb Tangent |
| 16:21:32 | Tangent | Russ|werk : Thanks... but I'm only back very breifly for now... |
| 16:21:56 | Tangent | I'm on a dial-up line at the moment... It means that my GF can't phone her mum |
| 16:22:16 | Tangent | Russ|werk : How's things going on the TuxScreens? |
| 16:22:40 | Tangent | Ooooh... just read the topic... did TuxScreens make it onto Slashdot? |
| 16:26:27 | Russ|werk | Tangent: yah |
| 16:30:29 | Russ|werk | andersee: should I change the lockf's to fcntl |
| 16:37:57 | ree | what kind of profit margin are we talking about? |
| 16:38:32 | andersee | Russ|werk: yes, you should as a rule use fcntl(2) when writing new code... |
| 16:38:52 | Russ|werk | happen to know how to code a lockf with fcntl |
| 16:38:55 | andersee | Russ|werk: fcntl(2) works over NFS and it other odd places |
| 16:39:09 | Russ|werk | lockf is an interface to fnctl |
| 16:39:33 | Russ|werk | that seems to make it much easier to do the simple task of obtaining/releasing a lock |
| 16:39:35 | andersee | This is for udhcp? Lemme take a look |
| 16:40:06 | Russ|werk | yah |
| 16:40:17 | Russ|werk | uclibc lockf seems to be broken |
| 16:42:06 | andersee | Hmm. It should do something like |
| 16:42:11 | andersee | struct flock lock; |
| 16:42:11 | andersee | ... |
| 16:42:11 | andersee | lock.l_type = F_WRLCK; |
| 16:42:11 | andersee | lock.l_whence = SEEK_SET; |
| 16:42:12 | andersee | lock.l_start = 0; |
| 16:42:14 | andersee | lock.l_len = 0; |
| 16:42:15 | andersee | if (fcntl(fd, F_SETLK, &lock) < 0) { |
| 16:42:17 | andersee | fprintf(stderr, "%s: %s\n", filename, |
| 16:42:19 | andersee | strerror(errno)); |
| 16:42:21 | andersee | return 1; |
| 16:42:23 | andersee | } |
| 16:42:25 | andersee | <do stuff> |
| 16:42:27 | andersee | lock.l_type = F_UNLCK; |
| 16:42:29 | andersee | fcntl(fileno(fp), F_SETLK, &lock); |
| 16:42:34 | andersee | Err. |
| 16:42:37 | andersee | Last line should be |
| 16:42:45 | andersee | fcntl(fd, F_SETLK, &lock); |
| 16:42:48 | Russ|werk | actually F_SETLKW |
| 16:43:06 | Russ|werk | so it sleeps on the lock |
| 16:43:21 | Russ|werk | so....should that be in uclibc? |
| 16:43:46 | andersee | yup. |
| 16:43:51 | andersee | Lemme go look... |
| 16:44:00 | Russ|werk | lemme send you something |
| 16:44:40 | andersee | I'm having a problem this morning -- it seems the pricks at a certain former employer of mine have cut off my access to cvs.uclinux.org |
| 16:44:42 | Russ|werk | thats dietlibc's interface |
| 16:45:13 | andersee | is getting very pissed |
| 16:45:22 | Russ|werk | heh, thats funny, because I still have access |
| 16:45:51 | andersee | Russ|werk: thx -- I'll take a look and fix flock. After I kill someone. |
| 16:49:25 | nelson | Russ|werk: how good is dietlibc? |
| 16:54:58 | Russ|werk | andersee: do you want me to add you key to my list? |
| 16:54:59 | Russ|werk | nelson: its ok |
| 16:54:59 | Russ|werk | nelson: it generally requires a lot of tweaking |
| 16:54:59 | Russ|werk | nelson: but it makes *very* small binaries |
| 16:55:20 | nelson | tweaking of applications or tweaking of itself? |
| 16:55:20 | Russ|werk | nelson: I haven't been able to cross compile anything, only native |
| 16:56:04 | Russ|werk | applications |
| 16:56:33 | nelson | Hmmm... I'll try compiling gpsd with it. Do you have it on the skiffs? |
| 16:57:49 | andersee | I'm hoping it was an oversight... |
| 16:58:11 | andersee | I'll try and handle things politely if possible... |
| 16:59:12 | Russ|werk | ok, if you want to send me a key, just let me know |
| 16:59:28 | andersee | I may take you up on that. |
| 17:00:06 | andersee | Worst case, I may need you help me grab a tarball of the CVS archive... |
| 17:21:53 | GoRK | if i want to play with doing an inferno update to check things out, which should i install: all_1999.gz or all2.3e-010122.gz? I'm presuming the latter is the latest? |
| 17:24:38 | RobFlynn | Russ|werk: How goes the DSP work ? |
| 17:24:46 | RobFlynn | Russ|werk: I just got another phone today and I'm ready to play :) |
| 17:25:00 | RobFlynn | BZFlag: Got a phone yesterday, and our other two today. Thanks. :-) |
| 17:26:53 | GoRK | the DSP doesnt work under linux yet (well.. you cant interface to it anyway) ... but if you want to try to hack it, you talk to it over some of the GPIO lines. Presumably, (and there is a lucent paper to indicate this) the DSP code is already in a ROM, so things like using the modem features may not be so difficult to accomplish |
| 17:27:55 | CosmicPenguin | If you can figure out what to say to it... |
| 17:28:43 | GoRK | i'd be going for something simple like enabling DTMF... you think there is any way to sniff the GPIO lines in inferno? |
| 17:29:46 | GoRK | if i want to play with doing an inferno update to check things out, which should i install: all_1999.gz or all2.3e-010122.gz? I'm presuming the latter is the latest? |
| 17:32:00 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I don't know myself... sorry... |
| 17:32:34 | GoRK | that's cool. i just dont want to screw my phone up and have to buy a JTAG dongle |
| 17:33:12 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: I don't have problems buying one, it just scares the hell out of me to solder it on |
| 17:33:30 | GoRK | hah yeah i guess so... |
| 17:36:50 | | i don't know, kerneljacabo |
| 17:36:50 | kerneljacabo | ibot have you seen BZFlag? |
| 17:37:00 | | bzflag is, like, TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 17:37:00 | kerneljacabo | ibot where is bzflag |
| 17:37:14 | kerneljacabo | ibot help |
| 17:37:35 | | well, bzflag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 17:37:35 | kerneljacabo | ibot where can i find bzflag |
| 17:37:41 | | it has been said that BZFlag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 17:37:41 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: BZFlag |
| 17:37:48 | CosmicPenguin | Dumb ass.... |
| 17:37:53 | kerneljacabo | yeah |
| 17:37:57 | | ...but ibot is an infobot owned by Tangent with some assistance from BZFlag... |
| 17:37:57 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: You are useless |
| 17:38:03 | kerneljacabo | yo cosmic whats up man |
| 17:38:16 | CosmicPenguin | kerneljacabo: not a whole lot, whats going on with you |
| 17:38:46 | kerneljacabo | nothing much. can you help me out with some stuff |
| 17:39:52 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe, maybe not.... |
| 17:40:18 | CosmicPenguin | But I will try |
| 17:41:02 | kerneljacabo | well do you have any experience with flashing the tuxcsreen using the jtag |
| 17:41:39 | CosmicPenguin | not at all, sorry.... |
| 17:41:39 | kerneljacabo | dang |
| 17:41:51 | kerneljacabo | well how do you load inferno or blob onto yours? |
| 17:42:39 | CosmicPenguin | I used the Inferno emulator and sboot... but then again, I already had inferno running on mine, so it was an easy jump |
| 17:44:25 | kerneljacabo | oh so you just used a serial connector |
| 17:44:45 | CosmicPenguin | Yep.... I had little pain and/or suffering... |
| 17:45:23 | kerneljacabo | do you use just a straight up fem/fem serial cable or a nullmodem? |
| 17:45:28 | GoRK | null |
| 17:46:37 | GoRK | personally, i like to wire up those little DB9->RJ45 hoods.. so easy |
| 17:47:45 | GoRK | RS-232D |
| 17:49:26 | kerneljacabo | wait gork, im a newbie to this please explain whats db9->rj45 |
| 17:49:52 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Null modem cable for me.... |
| 17:50:08 | CosmicPenguin | Or rather, kerneljacabo |
| 17:50:48 | GoRK | sorry to confuse you.. basically i just turn all my serial ports into RJ45 connectors like used for ethernet. It's still just a null modem cable |
| 17:51:13 | GoRK | http://www.zytrax.com/tech/layer_1/cables/tech_rs232.htm#rj45 if you really want to know more about it |
| 17:51:49 | kerneljacabo | so basically you connect the serial side to the tuxscreen and the other to your ethernet side |
| 17:51:59 | GoRK | no serial on both sides |
| 17:52:34 | GoRK | there is a little gizmo that you put on both ends of the serial port that change the standard connector to an RJ45 connector |
| 17:59:03 | andersee | k. They appologized and re-enabled my account. |
| 17:59:36 | andersee | Russ|werk: I'll take a few and try and get locking to behave for you |
| 18:08:55 | BZFlag | is here again... |
| 18:09:33 | bmidgley | BZFlag: do you have a stock of working eth cards fs? |
| 18:09:33 | BZFlag | sweet! andersee posted the build tree! |
| 18:11:51 | BZFlag | andersee: did you hear back vis uclibc cvs? |
| 18:12:28 | andersee | They appologized and re-enbled my account about 10 min ago. :) |
| 18:12:50 | andersee | I figured they didn't want the things I was threatening... :) |
| 18:13:41 | cworth | andersee: would there be any way to easily let uclibc and glibc binaries intermingle on a system? |
| 18:14:04 | andersee | sure. Several ways. |
| 18:14:14 | andersee | One way is to include glibc in /lib |
| 18:14:55 | andersee | Another way, pivot_root to a flash card with lots of glibc stuff on it |
| 18:15:12 | andersee | Or you can staticly link some app with glibc and include just that |
| 18:16:21 | cworth | well, this weekend I started playing with Familiar on my phone, (over NFS), and I kept going back and forth over the chroot to get access to binaries that only existed in one system or another... |
| 18:17:35 | andersee | You could mount the target system somewhere, put symlinks to glibc and friends in /lib alongside uClibc, and then run that way |
| 18:17:51 | andersee | There is more then one way to do it.(tm) |
| 18:18:07 | andersee | You could even use LD_PRELOAD is you wanted to. |
| 18:18:20 | cworth | andersee: cool. I just wasn't sure if there were name conflicts anywhere, no ldd in the base and I didn't have much time to look. |
| 18:19:06 | cworth | andersee: I'll play around some more. I may just end up making my own glibc-based root image though. *gasp of horror* |
| 18:44:41 | BZFlag | there are a few eth cards left. I'm asking $30 now though cause so many people wanted them I'm trying to lower the demand and have them in stock for longer |
| 18:45:07 | CosmicPenguin | Ain't capitalism great? |
| 18:45:23 | BZFlag | heh, supply and demand 101 ;-) |
| 18:45:43 | BZFlag | anyone can order them from ebay if they want for like $35 plus shipping. ;-) |
| 18:50:14 | dec__ | bzflag, what was the original? |
| 18:50:36 | dec__ | price |
| 18:50:57 | dec__ | bzflag, what about the hardware hack? |
| 18:53:23 | AlHazWork | I've still got the one ctr told me to hang onto. If he doesn't buy soon, I'll sell it to someone else |
| 19:06:19 | meatsicle | hullo |
| 19:16:06 | CosmicPenguin | hi meatsicle |
| 19:16:20 | kerneljacabo | is away: hacking the tuxscreen working on redboot |
| 19:16:24 | CosmicPenguin | Boris: Are you there? |
| 19:18:04 | meatsicle | I had a question but found the answer in a document |
| 19:26:00 | GoRK | if i want to play with doing an inferno update to check things out, which should i install: all_1999.gz or all2.3e-010122.gz? I'm presuming the latter is the latest? |
| 19:52:47 | boodle | help |
| 19:52:54 | CosmicPenguin | boodle: whats the news? |
| 19:53:10 | boodle | oops :) now I know what allchan does ;p |
| 20:03:24 | BZFlag | dec__: which hw hack? |
| 20:04:13 | GoRK | umm i am guessing this is bad: |
| 20:04:14 | GoRK | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 20:04:14 | GoRK | CRC/SIZE error: CRC:-73a9759e(-3c802780) len:688128(1517271403)593860 -> -1 |
| 20:04:14 | GoRK | Flash write: 161648,ffffffff -> 0-fffffffe |
| 20:04:15 | GoRK | flash: 0-7fff: erasing/writing... flash: erasing boot area! (0-7fff) |
| 20:04:23 | andersee | BZFlag: BTW, looks like part of buildroot-tux/target_skeleton didn't get committed. Fixing. |
| 20:05:26 | meatsicle | not necessarily |
| 20:05:29 | meatsicle | it should also say <58?> |
| 20:05:32 | andersee | bother. checkout -P is nuking empty dirs. I'll compensate in the makefile |
| 20:05:39 | meatsicle | <terminal mode> |
| 20:07:11 | BZFlag | GoRK: that was from flashing blob under inferno? that's ok then. |
| 20:07:25 | GoRK | no that was from trying to flash all_1999.gz |
| 20:07:38 | meatsicle | you probably have to seperate it into three parts. |
| 20:07:48 | BZFlag | ahh. that's ok too. |
| 20:08:05 | meatsicle | bloader, kernel and ramdisk |
| 20:08:23 | GoRK | well i waited five minutes after i got the erasing boot area message to reset but i get no boot screen at all |
| 20:08:31 | BZFlag | meatsicle: no, he's in inferno. |
| 20:08:45 | GoRK | no logo screen :-/ |
| 20:08:53 | BZFlag | inferno will flash to F!all from a single flash image. |
| 20:08:57 | meatsicle | I see |
| 20:09:02 | BZFlag | GoRK: did it finish? |
| 20:09:34 | GoRK | well.. when it said uncompressing ... and the bar was filling up on the screen it stopped about 1/4 the way up |
| 20:09:41 | BZFlag | ie you get >>> back? |
| 20:10:13 | GoRK | i didnt know i was supposed to get >>> back after the flash |
| 20:10:57 | BZFlag | hit ctrl-d on the current serial console and see if you get anything. |
| 20:12:26 | GoRK | nothing. i think i hosed this one :( |
| 20:12:55 | BZFlag | you did an unlock first? and it showed all 0's? (or I did it?) |
| 20:13:48 | lfjewett | Hello |
| 20:14:06 | GoRK | yes it did |
| 20:14:46 | GoRK | its ok i always wanted a JTAG dongle! |
| 20:14:58 | meatsicle | when you perform operations such as changing the bootloader to blob or re-infernoing a phone and something goes wrong the device isnt rendered totally useless is it? |
| 20:15:26 | AlHazWork | I still have a complete iopener jtag kit for sale for $30 + shipping |
| 20:15:43 | meatsicle | how do you interface with the jtag? serial on a pc? |
| 20:15:50 | GoRK | parallel isnt it |
| 20:15:54 | meatsicle | oh yeah |
| 20:16:14 | AlHazWork | you can get jtag programmers that connect to just about anything - this one is parallel |
| 20:16:53 | meatsicle | so the answer to my previous question is 'no'? |
| 20:17:09 | lfjewett | Can someone just tell me how to "stop" the bootloader.. I got the new bootloader on, but the "press any key" doesn't work.. |
| 20:17:21 | meatsicle | it should timeout |
| 20:17:31 | lfjewett | LOL any idea how long? |
| 20:17:45 | lfjewett | Left that dang window up about 30 min now. |
| 20:17:48 | meatsicle | oh |
| 20:17:56 | meatsicle | sorry I have no clue |
| 20:18:20 | lfjewett | Ahh it's cool. Somebody will know.. or I'll just smack it around a bit.. |
| 20:18:32 | CosmicPenguin | lfjewett: Never saw it do that before..... |
| 20:18:38 | GPSFan | Hello, has anyone successfully downloaded all_1999.gz lately? |
| 20:18:48 | lfjewett | It doesn't except input from the IR keyboard or the Linux box. |
| 20:18:59 | GoRK | GPSFan: i just failed |
| 20:19:47 | CosmicPenguin | lfjewett: What happens when you reboot |
| 20:19:48 | GPSFan | I have several times, I can get newinferni.img and all2.3..... but not all_1999.gz |
| 20:20:24 | GPSFan | I mean I have failed to get it several times. |
| 20:20:26 | GoRK | all_1999.gz doesnt gunzip on my machine |
| 20:20:38 | GoRK | i think the file on tuxscreen.net is maybe fubar? |
| 20:21:15 | GoRK | im about to try all2.3... |
| 20:21:22 | GoRK | which is the newest inferno? |
| 20:21:26 | GPSFan | Me too, alsom the all_2.3....gz downloads as a 4M file and looks a lot like newinferno.img when viewed with a hex editor. |
| 20:23:07 | GoRK | when all_1999 downloads, the status bar locks when it says "decompressing" and i get this message: |
| 20:23:31 | GoRK | >>> c/u D!/tmp/all_1999.gz F!all |
| 20:23:31 | GoRK | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 20:23:32 | GoRK | CRC/SIZE error: CRC:-73a9759e(-3c802780) len:688128(1517271403)593860 -> -1 |
| 20:23:32 | GoRK | Flash write: 161648,ffffffff -> 0-fffffffe |
| 20:23:32 | GoRK | flash: 0-7fff: erasing/writing... flash: erasing boot area! (0-7fff) |
| 20:24:53 | GPSFan | GoRK, I'm downloading it on a Win98 machine, all_1999 doesn't download at all. I think thet the other all2.3 file is really an image, like newinferno.img. |
| 20:25:34 | GoRK | im in linux but all_1999.gz doesnt download or gunzip. all2.3e does gunzip and im seeing if it downloads now |
| 20:26:01 | GoRK | i just wanted to look at the new inferno on one phone, load up linux on the other and start hacking. bleh. JTAG time!!! |
| 20:26:44 | lfjewett | Why GoRK did you destroy your flash? |
| 20:26:50 | GoRK | well i think so |
| 20:27:12 | lfjewett | Loaded a bad image to it? |
| 20:28:00 | GPSFan | I want to try the updated inferno too, I got the flash unlocked RDP working, and am to the point of trying to re-flash inferno. |
| 20:28:14 | GoRK | well i downloaded all_1999.gz to load a newer inferno and check it out but it wouldnt gunzip so i downloaded it from a different machine, copied it over and compared the two files and they were the same so i loaded it up following the procedure exactly and did not get the same results |
| 20:28:29 | GoRK | this one seems to be going better maybe... |
| 20:29:12 | GoRK | it is probably 66% done now |
| 20:29:25 | GPSFan | GoRK, what other machine did you get all_1999.gz from? |
| 20:29:53 | GoRK | the same site but i downloaded it from a different machine |
| 20:30:09 | GoRK | tuxscreen.net/download/inferno |
| 20:30:36 | meatsicle | good luck |
| 20:30:58 | GPSFan | Oh, what is the file size? |
| 20:31:19 | GoRK | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2373232 Sep 12 15:44 all_1999.gz |
| 20:31:56 | andersee | BZFlag: I just made some minor updates to the buildsystem. Should work perfectly now straight from cvs. |
| 20:32:38 | GPSFan | Thanks, there maybe some problem with my Win98IE5.0 downloading a .gz file |
| 20:32:44 | GoRK | ok this time everything uncompressed properly. but i think one of these phones will have to have its guts messed with |
| 20:32:57 | GoRK | well my file doesnt seem to work either so... |
| 20:33:40 | GPSFan | GoRK, did your all2.3... finish? and what was its file size? |
| 20:33:46 | GoRK | BZFlag: is it possible that all_1999.gz on the tuxscreen site is messed up? should I be able to gunzip this file? |
| 20:33:59 | GoRK | it finished i am waiting while it rewrites the flash |
| 20:34:12 | GoRK | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2422644 Sep 12 16:14 all2.3e-010122.gz |
| 20:35:57 | GoRK | >>> c/u D!/tmp/all2.3e-010122.gz F!all |
| 20:35:57 | GoRK | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 20:35:57 | GoRK | 2422644 -> 4194304 |
| 20:35:58 | GoRK | Flash write: 155544,400000 -> 0-3fffff |
| 20:35:58 | GoRK | flash: 0-7fff: erasing/writing... flash: erasing boot area! (0-7fff) |
| 20:36:08 | GoRK | ^^^^^ after I get that should it return me to a >>> prompt? |
| 20:36:28 | meatsicle | so you toasted 2 phones now? |
| 20:36:47 | GoRK | no not yet. i am waiting to reboot this other one |
| 20:36:54 | GoRK | did you flash yours yet? |
| 20:37:01 | GPSFan | Hmmmm, when I get it from tuxscreen.net/download/inferno it comes in as 4Mbytes, again with Win98IE5.0 |
| 20:37:14 | GoRK | that is ie gunzipping it |
| 20:37:25 | GoRK | it should be fine though |
| 20:37:34 | GoRK | just it will take longer to download |
| 20:38:16 | meatsicle | no I'm chicken |
| 20:38:40 | GoRK | well if this works OK then im loading linux on phone 3 |
| 20:38:46 | GPSFan | It must be, but it doesn't like all_1999.gz though. I guess my basic question is which of the three files is the Updated Inferno? I know all_1999.gz is supposed to be, but is it ok to use the others? |
| 20:40:55 | GoRK | oh yeah 2.3e worked |
| 20:41:50 | GPSFan | GoRK so your last flash attempt worked?? Great if it did, I'll try 2.3e later this pm, Thanks. |
| 20:42:04 | GoRK | yes it worked |
| 20:42:12 | GoRK | but download with some other program other than IE |
| 20:42:19 | GoRK | make sure you get the gzipped file |
| 20:42:41 | GoRK | i wouldnt bet the farm on the 4mb one working |
| 20:44:17 | meatsicle | for real |
| 20:44:25 | meatsicle | is the new inferno any good? |
| 20:46:33 | GoRK | well it doesnt look like there are any apps |
| 20:46:38 | GoRK | that may not be the full deal |
| 20:46:45 | GoRK | maybe only the new sboot and things |
| 20:47:04 | GoRK | and updated o/s |
| 20:50:38 | meatsicle | oh |
| 20:51:58 | GPSFan | I thought that all_1999 was a gzipped image of the flash with all of the latest sw apps. |
| 20:53:51 | GoRK | ditto |
| 20:53:54 | meatsicle | do you have a flash card in there? |
| 20:54:26 | GoRK | it's not in there no |
| 20:55:16 | GoRK | ok i gotta go ill bbl |
| 20:55:22 | meatsicle | well its almost going home time.. talk to yall later. |
| 20:59:35 | lfjewett | Still can't figure this guy out.. Anyone in here know how long the timeout for blob takes? |
| 20:59:48 | GPSFan | You should be able to use the c command without the /u if you have an image (.img) file rather than a gzipped (.gz) file |
| 21:00:52 | lfjewett | Was that to me GPS? |
| 21:01:27 | GoRK | oh |
| 21:01:28 | GoRK | cool |
| 21:01:59 | GoRK | ok i figured out why i didnt think i had any apps- forgot to stick the DIMM back in. doh |
| 21:03:30 | GPSFan | lfjewett, no, just to whoever may be listening, and after I RTFM'd the sboot command set. |
| 21:04:18 | lfjewett | O ok.. :( |
| 21:04:25 | RobFlynn | Any progress been made on the DSP yet ? |
| 21:10:16 | BZFlag | GoRK: if you want to pay postage both ways + $25 I'll jtag the dead one. Many others here could do that as well. perhaps they will under bid me. |
| 21:10:48 | GoRK | i can do it myself without a problem |
| 21:10:56 | BZFlag | even better. |
| 21:11:34 | GoRK | what do i need? just some headers and a dongle? where might i get a good dongle or can i make one of those too? |
| 21:12:26 | lfjewett | Hey BZFlag.. I had a problem nobody else could answer. said to run it by you.. |
| 21:13:03 | lfjewett | I can't get the autoboot sequence on the bootloader to stop, and it's not timing out (10 min and counting) |
| 21:13:17 | pattieja | is away: bible study |
| 21:14:26 | BZFlag | GoRK: eep! all_1999.gz is corrupt. Don't know how. ok, If you want to pay both way postage, I'll jtag it for free. sorry! |
| 21:15:17 | BZFlag | lfjewett: you need to hit a key while dots are printing. after the dots stop, it thinks it is running the kernel. |
| 21:15:57 | BZFlag | lfjewett: you are talking about blob right? you have hw _and_ sw flox control _off_ right? |
| 21:16:06 | BZFlag | er flow control. |
| 21:17:06 | BZFlag | andersee: you try ssh to SF? they say the first ssh makes the home dir. |
| 21:17:18 | CosmicPenguin | Dammit - Thats the second time I've mad that flow control mistake this week....... |
| 21:17:23 | CosmicPenguin | s/mad/made/ |
| 21:18:01 | lfjewett | Hmm let me check BZ :-) |
| 21:18:07 | GoRK | BZFlag: is all_1999.gz the latest inferno? |
| 21:18:43 | lfjewett | LOL ok well $me=stupid.. |
| 21:18:52 | lfjewett | Hardware Flow Control was yes. |
| 21:19:16 | GoRK | err latest inferno+apps |
| 21:20:22 | BZFlag | GoRK: don't recall which is newer. |
| 21:20:50 | BZFlag | but, yes it is the entire Inferno image. bootloader, kernel, splash screen, and fs. |
| 21:21:17 | BZFlag | all_1999.gz is BAD. delete it now. I removed it from the site. |
| 21:21:19 | andersee | BZFlag: to where do I ssh to? |
| 21:21:29 | BZFlag | tuxscreen.net will work. |
| 21:21:37 | GoRK | well it doesnt really matter that much ... do you have a good copy of it? |
| 21:21:55 | BZFlag | GoRK: no. my local copy was bad too. I nuked it. |
| 21:23:38 | BZFlag | newinferno and all2.3 are both valid images. |
| 21:24:01 | GoRK | ok. where can i buy a JTAG dongle? |
| 21:24:34 | GoRK | i dont really want to build one... might take longer than having someone else do it |
| 21:24:37 | BZFlag | see the HollyGates link. or Aleph1 may be ordering more for resale. |
| 21:25:17 | GoRK | ok thanks |
| 21:25:57 | lfjewett | Aleph1 said it would be about 2 weeks before they had them available GoRK |
| 21:26:05 | lfjewett | They were 29 USD I think. |
| 21:28:12 | GoRK | ok well ill send an email then so that i can be sure to get one |
| 21:28:42 | lfjewett | That is what I did.. even though I don't need one now.. thanks to Mr BZ I think I will have linux up in 2 shakes. |
| 21:28:58 | kerneljacabo | says hey to BZFlag |
| 21:33:24 | lordkiwi | its going to take me forever to getthing thing |
| 21:33:26 | lordkiwi | Im in DC |
| 21:33:35 | lordkiwi | All shipping here is shutdown |
| 21:33:42 | lfjewett | Hey Lordkiwi. |
| 21:33:48 | lfjewett | I'm 20 miles outside DC |
| 21:33:52 | lfjewett | I got mine on Monday :-) |
| 21:34:02 | lordkiwi | lucky you. |
| 21:34:13 | lfjewett | I'd share.. hehe |
| 21:34:33 | lordkiwi | I orderd a couple of 128mb compact flash cards from newegg and a 3com audrey over the weekend |
| 21:35:10 | lfjewett | Geez, gonna be hooked up I see.. nothing like that here.. just getting linux flashed right now. |
| 21:35:20 | lordkiwi | who know when there going to arive |
| 21:35:36 | lfjewett | at this rate, prolly 2 weeks. |
| 21:35:57 | lordkiwi | im glad i didnt waist any money shipping two days |
| 21:37:31 | lordkiwi | www.newegg.com has a great deal on Compact flash cards |
| 21:37:57 | lordkiwi | but I have to wait for mine to arive befor I can realy endorce them |
| 21:38:54 | lordkiwi | lfjewett -> 20 miles out side of DC eh, Want a free kitten? or two? |
| 21:39:16 | lfjewett | No thank you.. alergic to cats. |
| 21:39:21 | lfjewett | though my wife loves them. |
| 21:39:28 | lordkiwi | Ill shave them for you |
| 21:39:56 | lfjewett | LOL Whooo hoooo |
| 21:40:01 | lfjewett | Microwindows is up and running |
| 21:40:51 | lordkiwi | im sure your alergy is all in your head |
| 21:41:15 | lordkiwi | and you know kids that grow up with pets have fewer alergies when there older |
| 21:41:49 | lordkiwi | ... |
| 21:41:52 | lfjewett | Didn't know that.. |
| 21:41:58 | lordkiwi | you cant blame me for trying |
| 21:42:10 | CosmicPenguin | Good deal! |
| 21:42:11 | lfjewett | In my case it's asma (sp) that kills me with them. |
| 21:42:20 | lfjewett | can only be around cats 1 or 2 hours.. |
| 21:42:23 | lfjewett | Thanks Cosmic. |
| 21:42:47 | lfjewett | FYI my touchscreen works fine.. |
| 21:42:49 | lfjewett | :-) |
| 21:43:03 | CosmicPenguin | Record your serial number on the WIKI, lfjewett.... |
| 21:43:22 | lfjewett | I will do just that.. |
| 21:43:47 | lfjewett | Built a linux box (pc) and a tuxscreen in 1 day.. it's a good day.. |
| 21:45:07 | lfjewett | being new to small devices.. Is microwindows an X clone on top of linux kernel? |
| 21:45:20 | lfjewett | mem |
| 21:45:29 | lfjewett | ops.. sorry for mem |
| 21:45:43 | CosmicPenguin | lfjewett: Thats pretty close... its not an X clone, it has its own API that is X-lib like..... |
| 21:47:02 | andersee | Almost the same as X, except for the color model (and X's color model is pretty lame anyways) |
| 21:47:36 | CosmicPenguin | Right - No networking either, it just uses local unix sockets..... |
| 21:47:51 | lfjewett | ok. great. well 10 hours of work 99 bucks and it's working..so the real question is, now what? :-) |
| 21:48:30 | CosmicPenguin | lfjewett: Development... help us with some killer apps |
| 21:49:46 | lfjewett | The last time I built a program was in high school with Fortran 77.. |
| 21:50:03 | lfjewett | However I do plan on using this guy for a brain for a robot. |
| 21:50:48 | lfjewett | So I've been re brushing up on C. Maybe you guys will find the Artificial Neural Net or IA software port of use.. |
| 21:51:04 | blzbubba | cosmicpenguin any luck on touch screen drivers yet? |
| 21:51:45 | CosmicPenguin | No, I didn't program last night... when I get it compiled up I can use you as test case right? |
| 21:51:54 | blzbubba | sure |
| 21:52:07 | CosmicPenguin | Kewl.... |
| 21:55:07 | lfjewett | Does this device have a built in sound card by chance? or has anyone know of / tried a PCMCIA sound card? |
| 21:57:10 | AlHazWork | lfjewett: Linux supports no pcmcia sound cards. never has. |
| 21:57:24 | AlHazWork | i think that's even in bold text at pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net |
| 21:59:11 | lfjewett | O'well, guess that leaves out having your phone talk to you in a nice voice then huh.. |
| 22:00:09 | AlHazWork | there are at least half a dozen pcmcia sound cards in existance. I'll bet you $5 that every one of them is 5v. |
| 22:00:09 | AlHazWork | and i doubt you'll be able to find programming docs |
| 22:00:09 | AlHazWork | most of them haven't had drivers for anything newer than Win 3.1 |
| 22:00:16 | AlHazWork | it has built in audio that's probably tied into the phone |
| 22:00:30 | AlHazWork | via the ucb1200 |
| 22:00:42 | CosmicPenguin | Russ sez that the DSP probably controls it though.... |
| 22:00:51 | AlHazWork | one could concievably attach a burr-brown dac to the right chips and turn it into an mp3 player |
| 22:03:14 | lfjewett | Hmm I will look through that info on the dsp and see what it has.. I'm sure there is a way to get at least basic beeps and such out.. |
| 22:03:57 | andersee | AlHazWork: Do you suppose the circuitry used when using the speakerphone button could do the job? |
| 22:05:30 | AlHazWork | andersee: Maybe, I haven't looked at it very closely. the audio in these is not something that particularly interests me |
| 22:21:59 | lordkiwi | on the subject of PCMCIA sound cards |
| 22:22:11 | lordkiwi | I think you might actualy beable to run the IBM one with linux |
| 22:23:55 | lordkiwi | I remember somewear IBM releaseing linux drivers for the Mwave DSP they use in it |
| 22:23:57 | AlHazWork | lordkiwi: Which IBM one? they made like three |
| 22:24:23 | AlHazWork | There was one with no synth, one with a wavetable synth, and a "3d" one |
| 22:24:34 | AlHazWork | I used to have one of the "wavetable" ones |
| 22:24:41 | AlHazWork | I can assure you there was no mwave dsp in it |
| 22:24:52 | AlHazWork | couple of Crystal Semi chips |
| 22:25:04 | AlHazWork | and an IBM pcmcia interface glue chip of some sort |
| 22:25:08 | AlHazWork | and a little ram |
| 22:25:11 | lordkiwi | Oh, I found the Slashdot link |
| 22:25:12 | lordkiwi | http://slashdot.org/articles/01/02/13/0254220.shtml |
| 22:25:22 | lordkiwi | it was for there winmodem sorry |
| 22:25:39 | AlHazWork | that's not vaguely pcmcia sound card OR mwave related |
| 22:25:49 | AlHazWork | the mwave was axed as a product about two years before that laptop was sold |
| 22:26:12 | AlHazWork | oh, wait, sorry, mis-read it |
| 22:26:16 | AlHazWork | but still |
| 22:26:21 | AlHazWork | that's for an on-board mwave chip in an aincent laptop |
| 22:26:27 | AlHazWork | pcmcia sound is entirely different |
| 22:26:39 | lordkiwi | yes but they both use the mwave DSP |
| 22:26:44 | AlHazWork | no, they don't |
| 22:27:01 | AlHazWork | I have hacked open an ibm pcmcia sound card and it had no mwave |
| 22:27:07 | lordkiwi | thats the whole purpose of a DSP. reprogrambility |
| 22:27:13 | lordkiwi | http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/VLAR-3VJPYG.html?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=root&doctype=&subtype=Cat |
| 22:27:25 | lordkiwi | that link says its based on the Mwave DSP |
| 22:28:05 | AlHazWork | Hell, if you like i can scan some high rez pictures of it |
| 22:28:54 | AlHazWork | OK, the 3D one is based on an MWave |
| 22:29:23 | AlHazWork | the GPL driver /. refers to is a modem driver |
| 22:29:57 | lordkiwi | I realized that when I corrected my self |
| 22:30:37 | lordkiwi | but the Souce code might go a long way to writing a sound card driver. |
| 22:32:17 | AlHazWork | might |
| 22:32:25 | AlHazWork | tho the faq says it only supports the 3870i chipset |
| 22:58:46 | lordkiwi | snap |
| 22:58:55 | lordkiwi | I found some more information about the mwave dsp |