| 00:02:59 | lchvdlch | arrow refuses to subscribe me... :o( |
| 01:03:23 | kerneljacabo | hey guys quick question |
| 01:03:46 | kerneljacabo | the ARM thats in the shannon is it a brutus or Assabet |
| 01:03:56 | Aelhaz | don't be silly |
| 01:03:59 | Aelhaz | it's a Shannon |
| 01:04:14 | Aelhaz | Assabet is an evaluation platform, not intended for production |
| 01:04:28 | Aelhaz | the chip itself is an SA1100 |
| 01:04:33 | Aelhaz | but the board is a Shannon |
| 01:04:50 | Aelhaz | there's another board that it's vaguely similar to, but i forget the name |
| 01:05:18 | kerneljacabo | is it the intel SA-1100 multimedia board, by any chance? |
| 01:07:15 | Aelhaz | hell no |
| 01:07:20 | Aelhaz | it's the Philips Shannon |
| 01:08:21 | kerneljacabo | well im trying to download a version of redboot for it and the only two options are the assabet or the multimedia board |
| 01:08:35 | Aelhaz | you'd best start with source |
| 01:09:03 | Aelhaz | since the only known boot loaders to work on this board are Shanmon (which only boots inferno) and Blob 2.0.3 |
| 01:09:33 | kerneljacabo | well tim said no one ever tried redboot |
| 01:09:37 | Aelhaz | right |
| 01:09:47 | Aelhaz | you can sure try it, but i don't expect it to work |
| 01:10:04 | Aelhaz | even though the board is somewhat similar to the LART, blob required significant hacking before it worked |
| 01:10:37 | kerneljacabo | i see |
| 01:10:59 | kerneljacabo | so let me ask you something lets say i have the redboot.bin i should just run jflash and say redboot.bin |
| 01:11:07 | Aelhaz | there |
| 01:11:15 | Aelhaz | there's no "bios" or "firmware" on arm boards |
| 01:11:20 | Aelhaz | the boot loader has to do it all |
| 01:11:34 | kerneljacabo | yeah redboot is a bootloader |
| 01:11:35 | Aelhaz | an arm processor powers up, goes to memory address 0, and executes whatever it finds there |
| 01:11:50 | Aelhaz | what it finds there better be able to set up memory, cpu registers, etc, or you're getting nowhere |
| 01:11:58 | kerneljacabo | i know |
| 01:12:00 | Aelhaz | redboot won't know where the ram is, for starters |
| 01:12:11 | Aelhaz | because it's not where it is on the assabet |
| 01:12:32 | kerneljacabo | whats the brutus? |
| 01:12:38 | kerneljacabo | another board |
| 01:13:08 | Aelhaz | yeah, some other board |
| 01:14:23 | Aelhaz | http://www.eclipse.net/~shaggy/shannon.html |
| 01:14:44 | Aelhaz | that faq implies that the Shannon is very similar to the Brutus |
| 01:15:01 | Aelhaz | since you're using jtag, there's no harm in trying the brutus version of redboot |
| 01:15:23 | Aelhaz | might work |
| 01:15:29 | kerneljacabo | ok thanks |
| 01:16:48 | Aelhaz | sez " The driver for a variety |
| 01:16:48 | Aelhaz | of 3COM 3C589 cards is compiled into sboot, but the hardware |
| 01:16:48 | Aelhaz | will need to be modified to support 5V. It is also unknown |
| 01:16:48 | Aelhaz | as to whether this driver will actually work on the Shannon. |
| 01:16:48 | Aelhaz | It works on the Brutus, and the core sboot code is the same |
| 01:16:50 | Aelhaz | for both the Shannon and Brutus, so it ought to work when 5V is supplied, but this cannot be guaranteed. |
| 01:16:52 | Aelhaz | " |
| 01:20:24 | Aelhaz | what's desirable about redboot, anyway? |
| 01:28:00 | kerneljacabo | i wanna run EL/IX |
| 01:28:14 | kerneljacabo | instead of trying to port over regular linux like evryone is trying |
| 01:28:39 | kerneljacabo | i dont mind writing custom apps and i have a DSP driver close to 90% complete |
| 01:51:02 | Aelhaz | evenin BZFlag |
| 02:06:49 | zachh | BZFlag: Thanks for the docs, I read over them and I think I have a good grasp of what is needed. |
| 02:07:28 | zachh | to get the lucent at our command |
| 02:08:48 | BZFlag | nice |
| 02:17:32 | travis_143cw | damn work computer.... |
| 03:46:24 | BZFlag | just sent an empty message to andersee, oops. |
| 03:47:06 | BZFlag | heya |
| 03:47:11 | swag-e | hey |
| 03:47:52 | swag-e | i was interested in using one of the consoles to hack some programs for telephony and home automation |
| 03:48:01 | BZFlag | ok. |
| 03:48:21 | swag-e | what is the possibility of that, how functional have you gotten with it so far? |
| 03:49:42 | BZFlag | home automation off the a x-10 adapter on the serial port should be easy now. |
| 03:50:05 | BZFlag | telephony would require a DSP driver which is not written yet. |
| 03:50:08 | Aelhaz | swag-e: telephony is being worked on. I haven't heard of anyone working on home automation but since x10 controllers are rs232, it shouldn't be difficult |
| 03:50:21 | BZFlag | glad we agree. ;-) |
| 03:50:56 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: I had IS punch a firewall hole for irc.openprojects.net so you should not need anything funky from work. |
| 03:51:07 | BZFlag | just an FYI. |
| 03:52:39 | swag-e | i am not a linux expert or anything, but when i have very specific tasks i have been able to get through them in a wide range of environments |
| 03:52:47 | swag-e | but what exactly is a dsp driver |
| 03:56:34 | zachh | a driver providing an interface for userland programs to access the gpio of the Lucent DSP responsible for telephony functions |
| 03:56:55 | zachh | i am currently working on said driver, and a program to use it |
| 03:56:58 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Ah, I'm running socks5 over ssh already |
| 03:57:11 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: So easy I wish i'd tried it a year ago |
| 03:57:34 | Aelhaz | big ugly ssh commandline, but it's just an alias in bashrc anyway, now |
| 03:58:04 | swag-e | how is it going zachh |
| 03:58:05 | Aelhaz | and xchat is set to connect to a socks5 server on localhost, which is port-forwarded to a socks5 server on my firewall at home |
| 03:58:07 | Aelhaz | works like a charm |
| 03:58:16 | Aelhaz | slam-dunk the first time i tried it |
| 03:59:06 | zachh | mostly pseudo-code |
| 03:59:07 | Aelhaz | maybe "nothing but net" is a better analogy, if it has to be a basketball analogy |
| 03:59:45 | zachh | swag-e: been studying the inferno interface code |
| 04:01:02 | zachh | swag-e: you interested in the telephony code? |
| 04:01:10 | Aelhaz | since i had the socks5 server running anyway |
| 04:01:35 | Aelhaz | my firewall is at 280-some days uptime, now I'm considering waiting for it to hit 365 before shutting it down for good . . . |
| 04:01:58 | zachh | what os on the firewall? |
| 04:02:23 | Aelhaz | zachh: linux-AXP, 2.2.15 |
| 04:02:39 | Aelhaz | it's a Dec Multia, alpha 21066 at 166mhz |
| 04:02:45 | zachh | Aelhaz: nice, I have had excellent luck with freeBSD |
| 04:02:56 | zachh | hows it run? (speed) |
| 04:02:59 | swag-e | zach yeah like i said before i would like to eventually use a tuxscreen for telephony and home automation |
| 04:03:11 | Aelhaz | zachh: Slower than molasses in january |
| 04:03:24 | Aelhaz | 'course, I've only got 32 megs of ram in there |
| 04:03:29 | zachh | swag-e: you have any specific ideas you can throw out? |
| 04:03:44 | Aelhaz | and I'm running it off an old 1gb notebook harddrive |
| 04:03:49 | zachh | Aelhaz: Alphas are RISC though, right? |
| 04:03:51 | swag-e | zachh: about which aspect |
| 04:03:52 | Aelhaz | and the ide interface in the multia utterly blows |
| 04:03:57 | Aelhaz | zachh: Very much so |
| 04:04:16 | Aelhaz | I get 1.2mb/sec out of the ide harddrive. |
| 04:04:16 | zachh | swag-e: telephony really |
| 04:04:20 | zachh | wpw |
| 04:04:21 | zachh | wow |
| 04:04:29 | Aelhaz | worse than my old 386-40 got with an isa controller |
| 04:04:41 | zachh | thats pretty incredible |
| 04:04:56 | Aelhaz | there's a scsi controller onboard, but notebook formfactor scsi drives are very rare |
| 04:05:06 | zachh | i dont remember seeing any... |
| 04:05:14 | Aelhaz | I've seen 'em. but not many of 'em. |
| 04:05:27 | zachh | early on |
| 04:05:31 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 04:05:52 | zachh | didnt catch on, but should be pretty useful |
| 04:06:01 | Aelhaz | as far as raw computing power for every day tasks, the 21066-166 is roughly equivalent to an intel P-66 |
| 04:06:10 | zachh | hmmm |
| 04:06:24 | Aelhaz | floating point is supposed to be far better, say, 4x faster than the pentium |
| 04:06:38 | Aelhaz | but that doesn't mean much when you're waiting for a kernel to finish building |
| 04:06:53 | zachh | firewalling code, however, dosent do too much floating point calculations.... |
| 04:06:58 | Aelhaz | right |
| 04:07:02 | Aelhaz | it makes a peachy firewall |
| 04:07:15 | Aelhaz | I'm using the on-board ethernet and a pcmcia nic |
| 04:07:16 | zachh | dont need too much power for firewalling |
| 04:07:22 | Aelhaz | tho i could install a pci ethernet card in it |
| 04:07:39 | zachh | i got a a lot of Intel Intelligent server cards on ebay |
| 04:07:47 | zachh | a couple of months ago |
| 04:07:51 | Aelhaz | the multia has turned out to be a lousy box to use as a firewall, for other reasons |
| 04:07:53 | Aelhaz | it runs hot |
| 04:07:59 | Aelhaz | and the cooling fan is loud |
| 04:08:01 | zachh | i can image |
| 04:08:03 | zachh | imagine |
| 04:08:04 | bmidgley | anyone using debian on nfs root? |
| 04:08:40 | Aelhaz | the cooling fan has a thermistor on it that regulates the speed according to temperature. the box was crashy until I clipped off the thermistor to force the fan to run at top speed all the time |
| 04:08:42 | bmidgley | (wondering which dist i should start with) |
| 04:09:02 | BZFlag | bmidgley: I am. |
| 04:09:03 | zachh | makes sence |
| 04:09:20 | bmidgley | should i use 2.2r3, unstable? sid? |
| 04:09:42 | BZFlag | potato is the only version I've had luck with on arm. |
| 04:09:51 | bmidgley | ok |
| 04:09:53 | BZFlag | I run sid on all my x86 boxes |
| 04:10:08 | Aelhaz | zachh: the good news is, it only cost me $50, plus about $20 for the old notebook harddrive, and I should be able to get roughly that for it on ebay when i shut it down |
| 04:10:19 | zachh | definately |
| 04:10:27 | bmidgley | i assume you put the pivot_root cmd in linuxrc? what does your linuxrc look like? (net card init etc) |
| 04:10:30 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: be sure to list the uptime there. ;-) |
| 04:10:45 | BZFlag | bmidgley: see the PivotRoot wiki page. |
| 04:10:48 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Definately - that's why I'm considering waiting for it to hit 365 days :) |
| 04:10:50 | bmidgley | k |
| 04:11:27 | Aelhaz | [alhaz@thinmint alhaz]$ uptime |
| 04:11:27 | Aelhaz | 11:13pm up 288 days, 12:05, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 |
| 04:11:37 | BZFlag | bmidgley: the root linuxrc execs the nfs linuxrc which then execs /sbin/init this is needed so that the original fs can be unmounted. |
| 04:12:56 | BZFlag | well.. off to do tonights orders. back in a few while I'm doing FlashUnlocks |
| 04:16:11 | Aelhaz | g'nite folks |
| 04:23:41 | swag-e | will the phone support sound? for telephony? |
| 04:24:21 | zachh | what do you mean sound? |
| 04:24:30 | zachh | through the speaker on the phone? |
| 04:24:53 | zachh | or external sound source? |
| 04:25:09 | swag-e | for prompts and things like that |
| 04:25:19 | zachh | to callers? |
| 04:25:27 | swag-e | so yeah through the phone to callers |
| 04:25:32 | zachh | hmmm |
| 04:26:01 | zachh | i dont know immediately if that would be available to us, anything is possible with the right software |
| 04:26:21 | zachh | but i dont know if its possible right now |
| 04:26:43 | swag-e | ok, what kind of telephony apps would not require prompts? |
| 04:27:19 | zachh | apps that allow you to control the various systems from an interface on the screen |
| 04:27:43 | zachh | but yes, the lucent chip has the ability to decode audio buffers |
| 04:28:11 | zachh | indeed, without this capability it would be pretty useless.... |
| 04:28:19 | zachh | generally speaking |
| 04:29:08 | swag-e | well you would have a reference to the sequences i guess |
| 04:29:41 | swag-e | i guess it would be more secure in a sense, heh |
| 04:29:47 | zachh | hehe |
| 04:29:51 | zachh | true |
| 04:30:16 | zachh | did you check out the data sheets on the wiki pages? |
| 04:31:29 | zachh | interesting read |
| 04:32:03 | swag-e | not all of them yet |
| 04:32:13 | swag-e | starting to read everything throug |
| 04:32:22 | zachh | yea |
| 04:33:04 | bmidgley | argh cardmgr says the d-link is unsupported |
| 04:33:38 | zachh | dlink what? |
| 04:33:40 | zachh | ethernet? |
| 04:33:53 | bmidgley | 670txd lan |
| 04:33:59 | zachh | ahh |
| 05:59:50 | andersee | bmidgley: How does the dlink fit? Nice and comfy in the tuxscreen slot? |
| 10:15:16 | travis_143cw | anyone know anything about using darwin on a x86? |
| 10:24:34 | travis_143cw | k, thank you |
| 12:45:39 | pattieja | morning |
| 12:47:06 | travis_143cw | hey |
| 12:47:29 | travis_143cw | here that a couple planes decided to crash into the world trade center? |
| 12:47:39 | pattieja | just now |
| 12:47:41 | Morn | and the pentagon |
| 12:47:48 | Morn | they have shut down the whole city |
| 12:48:12 | Morn | bridges, tunnels, subways... airports... everything |
| 12:49:44 | travis_143cw | geez |
| 12:49:55 | travis_143cw | a fire by the whitehourse... |
| 12:50:01 | travis_143cw | is there any news site open? |
| 12:50:07 | travis_143cw | everything else is just flooded |
| 12:50:30 | mallum | I cant get anything |
| 12:51:10 | travis_143cw | i tried cnn and abc |
| 12:52:02 | boodle | ABC realplayer streaming feed of coverage: http://209.215.175.40:8480/ramgen/encoder/cincinow_stream.rm |
| 12:54:20 | travis_143cw | thanks |
| 12:54:23 | travis_143cw | let me look |
| 12:54:36 | travis_143cw | its full |
| 12:58:26 | travis_143cw | i am watching now |
| 12:58:28 | travis_143cw | shit! |
| 13:25:30 | BZFlag | to work. |
| 13:26:23 | blzbubba | apparently he hasn't heard the news yet |
| 14:04:26 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: you're at work pretty early |
| 14:05:07 | pattieja | BZFlag: have you heard the news? |
| 14:05:25 | pattieja | /join #worldtradecenter #wtc |
| 14:09:05 | BZFlag | I heard. Aelhaz tv on in my cube. |
| 14:11:10 | Aelhaz | I woke up at about 7, turned on my monitor, saw what people were talking about, fired up xawtv. |
| 14:13:29 | Aelhaz | i haven't made it into the shower, much less into work . . |
| 14:52:54 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: have you heard? |
| 14:53:06 | CosmicPenguin | I have indeed..... This is not good |
| 15:22:10 | travis|still_alive | i wish i was george bush right now |
| 15:22:18 | travis|still_alive | .... |
| 15:22:22 | travis|still_alive | get out the nukes |
| 15:23:40 | andersee | And who would you nuke? |
| 15:23:57 | andersee | Granted, I'm as pissed as anybody... |
| 15:26:26 | travis|still_alive | i forget who they are |
| 15:26:36 | travis|still_alive | it sounds like they know who it is though |
| 15:31:13 | cory | somebody just called me asking for "commander fufi" |
| 16:45:18 | lordkiwi | I want to make an order |
| 17:00:54 | AlHazWork | lordkiwi: read the topic |
| 17:15:22 | lordkiwi | yes and the website says contact over irc first is prefered |
| 17:15:54 | CosmicPenguin | This probably isn't the best time to order, people are preocupied elsewhere.... |
| 17:16:48 | lordkiwi | hell im in DC |
| 17:17:27 | lordkiwi | This is not a great place to be either |
| 18:09:33 | mallum | hi bworth |
| 18:10:32 | bworth | hi mallum |
| 18:10:38 | bworth | sad day in history |
| 18:10:51 | mallum | yes, unbelievable |
| 18:11:58 | cworth | a true tragedy. |
| 18:12:40 | cworth | it seems less substantial now, but I did get Familiar running reasonably well in an NFS chroot on my tuxscreen this weekend. |
| 18:13:38 | mallum | nice. |
| 18:13:55 | mallum | cworth: have you played with the buildroot script ? |
| 18:14:07 | CosmicPenguin | I did a lot of work last night too.... I thought it was important to get it out today.... I guess I was wrong |
| 18:14:20 | cworth | yes, X and ion, plus konqueror cross-displayed from an i386/linux box. Very slick. |
| 18:16:40 | cworth | mallum: not really. ipkg does a fine job of assembling a root image. I think getting task-bootstrap to fit on the phone shouldn't be that bad, (busybox could help quite a bit). |
| 18:17:00 | BZFlag | lordkiwi: I'm here. wiki page is correct. paypal when ready |
| 18:17:46 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Is that andersee's scripts? |
| 18:17:57 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 18:17:57 | cworth | current problems are: touchscreen is not calibrated, X doesn't work if started from console, and my machine experienced mysterious crashes once or twice, (hard hangs). |
| 18:18:23 | CosmicPenguin | Cool, he got them up.... |
| 18:18:36 | cworth | anyway, time for me to run. I'll put some notes regarding my work on the wiki soon. |
| 18:18:42 | mallum | cworth: I wonder if the hard hangs are related to what Im experiencing with Python |
| 18:18:51 | mallum | cworth: cool |
| 18:19:07 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I dont think there set up for a X-compile though |
| 18:19:22 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: they definetly look pretty neat though |
| 18:19:54 | CosmicPenguin | FYI: I have a Microwindows calibrator - An X expert could add the X code needed in a few minutes |
| 18:20:05 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I will have to add Microwindows to it a little later.... |
| 18:20:11 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: we're not sure yet that xcalibrate doesn't work |
| 18:20:23 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: All good. Let me know if i can help |
| 18:20:27 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: OK |
| 18:20:32 | AlHazWork | I need to try familiar *again |
| 18:21:07 | CosmicPenguin | I wrote some ts driver code to average the readings from the TS as Shaggy suggested, but I haven't put it on my box yet..... |
| 18:22:02 | CosmicPenguin | Might or might not get to it tonight... I guess it all depends... :( |
| 19:01:37 | mallum | andersee: hi |
| 19:02:04 | mallum | was it something I said ... ? |
| 19:02:11 | AlHazWork | probably not |
| 19:03:24 | andersee | mallum: howdy |
| 19:04:06 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 19:08:26 | mallum | andersee: couple questions about your build root script ( which is very cool BTW ) |
| 19:08:58 | mallum | andersee: It dosent look like its set up to work with a x-compiler non ? |
| 19:11:22 | andersee | thx. |
| 19:11:36 | andersee | It is designed for cross compiling... |
| 19:12:07 | andersee | Is it not working for you? |
| 19:13:37 | andersee | Hmm. |
| 19:13:58 | mallum | andersee: are you assuming you'd do the PATH trick with the X-compile like with uClibc ? |
| 19:14:08 | andersee | Did you grab buildroot.tar.gz from ftp://oss.lineo.com/ or did you grab buildroot-tux.tar.gz? |
| 19:14:26 | mallum | buildroot-tux |
| 19:14:54 | GoRK | is there a file repository/cvs that folks are using for code? on sourceforge, lineo? |
| 19:15:18 | GoRK | ive been trying to follow on irc but ive been out of town for 4 days |
| 19:15:47 | andersee | Nah, I use the full path tot the compiler, with directives such as 'make CC="$(TARGET_CC1)" PREFIX="$(TARGET_DIR)" -C busybox' |
| 19:15:50 | GoRK | i mean stuff that is tuxscreen-specific |
| 19:15:57 | andersee | TARGET_CC1=$(BUILD_DIR)/usr/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc |
| 19:17:43 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Most of the stuff is in http://tuxscreen.net/downloads/ |
| 19:17:49 | GoRK | or at the very least is there a kernel kept in cvs? |
| 19:18:19 | CosmicPenguin | But there is also a SF cvs and FTP site. No kernel in CVS, but the patches should be in the downloads directory |
| 19:18:30 | CosmicPenguin | Unless of course, BZFlag has put it out there very recently |
| 19:19:26 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: thank you. yes. I found all that -- i was just wondering if there was a more recent kernel of some sort |
| 19:19:34 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I'll be checking the buildroot-tux thing into the SF cvs tree later tonight. I just posted it to oss.lineo.com so BZFlag could poke at it first |
| 19:19:35 | mallum | andersee: the kernel is being build with just make ( no CC flag ) - Im guessing I should change TARGET_CC to my X-compiler gcc ? |
| 19:19:54 | CosmicPenguin | You've got the good stuff GoRK.... :) |
| 19:19:58 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Cool |
| 19:20:01 | GoRK | mainly i did not want to code on something that is already being done |
| 19:20:09 | andersee | Nope -- one of the kernel patches fixes linux/Makefile to use arm-linux-gcc |
| 19:20:14 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: What are you working on? |
| 19:20:21 | andersee | mallum: so nothing to worry about |
| 19:20:42 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: are you here? |
| 19:21:07 | mallum | andersee: aha. but I should make sure arm-linux-gcc is in my path ...? |
| 19:21:19 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: Well I am working on a PBX/NBX system built using these phones and Quicknet Internet Linejacks |
| 19:22:31 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: That sounds good. I doubt that you are infringing on anything that somebody else is working on at this point.. hack away! |
| 19:23:40 | andersee | mallum: yup. Also on oss.lineo.com is a package called cross.tar.gz which has (packaged as .debs) and arm cross compiler/binutils... |
| 19:24:01 | GoRK | CosmicPenguin: they will send dialing instructions and recieve Caller-ID and other telephony apps over a PPP serial link or Ethernet (until DTMF works anyway) and the PBX will do call routing and whatnot -- when more DSP functions come online, I'll be able to use the keypad for dialing, speakerphone, intercom (HFAI style), maybe H.323+NBX VoIP services |
| 19:24:40 | andersee | mallum: BTW, I found a buglet in my mods to mkfs.jffs2 last night (I'll be fixing that today) where --squash wins over explicit file permissions set in the device table... |
| 19:25:32 | mallum | andersee: I use the lart x-compiler currently - do you think the lineo one is any better ? |
| 19:26:28 | GoRK | using the linejack i can detect or simulate most of the DSP functions so i can go ahead and develop apps before the DSP even works in linux |
| 19:28:40 | andersee | mallum: ha! No, it isn't a lineo one (I was fired from Lineo on Friday). I'm just using it since I still own that box and it has more bandwidth then I do on my DSL line. |
| 19:28:44 | GoRK | are the lineo .deb packages the same as in the unstable debian distro? |
| 19:29:24 | mallum | andersee: also I was thinking I could hack togeather a quick perl script for a simple cmd line config of busybox's Config.h .... |
| 19:29:29 | andersee | The .deb packages that I placed on oss.lineo.com (they are not Lineo stuff) are the ones from emdebian.org |
| 19:30:07 | andersee | mallum: check out the Makefile in buildroot-tux -- already does that after using wget to grab the daily snapshot. :) |
| 19:30:14 | GoRK | yes i think those are the ones then |
| 19:38:12 | mallum | andersee: busybox config.h has 'built in' perl ? |
| 19:38:28 | mallum | andersee: sorry to here about your layoff BTW ... |
| 19:38:54 | andersee | mallum: perhaps I misunderstood you.. No, there is no builtin perl. |
| 19:39:38 | andersee | The tuxscreen build system I have constructed uses perl to automagically enable/disable certain bb Config.h options during the buildprocess |
| 19:39:39 | mallum | andersee: I see the makefile uses Perl to do some substitutions on Config.h |
| 19:39:46 | andersee | right |
| 19:39:58 | andersee | That was all I meant |
| 19:40:19 | mallum | andersee: what I meant was a simple Perl script that would parse the Config.h , probting the using if they wanted to turn on / off options |
| 19:40:42 | andersee | Ahh. |
| 19:41:11 | mallum | andersee: does that sound like a useful addition to you ? |
| 19:41:44 | CosmicPenguin | Kinda of like a menuconfig for BB? |
| 19:41:45 | andersee | Actually, I am planning on merging the Linux kernel's config system into busybox, so you will be able to run 'make menuconfig' and get a pretty menu for enabling/disabling stuff... :) |
| 19:42:14 | andersee | I have a prototype I started a couple months ago, but I havn't had time yet to finish it. |
| 19:42:48 | mallum | andersee, CosmicPenguin: yeah just like a kernel textconfig |
| 19:43:45 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Bet you cash that the menuconfig app will be bigger than the average BB binary... :) |
| 19:43:49 | GoRK | what version of gcc is the nicest for this system? |
| 19:43:50 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I think I showed Jason a demo of my prototype a couple months ago... |
| 19:43:58 | GoRK | the phones i mean |
| 19:44:17 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: fortunately, it won't be a bb applet... :) |
| 19:44:22 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK - I use skiff x-compiler 2.95.1.... |
| 19:44:26 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 19:45:32 | GoRK | well are there any huge problems using gcc 2.95.2 x86->arm cross? I was poking around on the SH4 chip a bit and 2.95.2 skunked really badly |
| 19:46:07 | GoRK | well mostly with -O flags but still pretty awful |
| 19:46:12 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: Sorry -I *am* using 2.95.2... |
| 19:46:18 | CosmicPenguin | GoRK: You mean the binary size is bad? |
| 19:46:24 | CosmicPenguin | s/bad/too big |
| 19:46:28 | CosmicPenguin | Poor optimization? |
| 19:46:41 | GoRK | no i mean it did not produce code that even did the same thing with -O flags |
| 19:46:51 | GoRK | so yeah, poor as in totally broken |
| 19:47:19 | GoRK | i figured arm would be a lot more stable in gcc than sh4 though |
| 19:47:40 | GoRK | but i just dont want to have to set up my environment twice |
| 19:47:52 | CosmicPenguin | We have been using the 2.95.2 compiler from handhelds.org for almost a year now, and the only thing we have encountered is that char defaults to 'unsigned char'... |
| 19:47:59 | CosmicPenguin | I would call this a very stable compiler. Andersee, comments? |
| 19:48:53 | andersee | Yup. The one I've been using (from embedian.org) is 2.95.2 as well. Solid as a rock. |
| 19:49:25 | andersee | On my NetWinder, where I compile arm stuff natively, I use 2.95.4 |
| 19:50:14 | andersee | I had to upgrade since I couldn't make PHP4 compile with 2.95.2... But that is the only app I ran into, and even that worked with 2.95.2 after dropping to -O1 |
| 19:52:21 | mallum | andersee: if im not too busy tommorow do you think its worth me hacking a simple config Perl script togeather ? |
| 19:52:43 | GoRK | hmm so there are -O issues with 2.95.2 and ARM then? -- what version are you running? 3.0? |
| 19:53:59 | andersee | mallum: I think it would be more valuable to work on the final sulution, rather then an interum one... If you want to help me get CML1 into busybox, that would be cool. |
| 19:54:50 | mallum | andersee: ok I'll check it out. I have never even seen any CML before though :) |
| 19:54:55 | CosmicPenguin | No CML2? No "BB Adventure" ?? |
| 19:55:09 | mallum | isn't CML2 built with Python ? |
| 19:55:45 | andersee | CML1 is what Linux has been using for years now. Bourne shell. |
| 19:56:17 | andersee | It has some quirks, but is very usable, and doesn't require lots of tools to make it go (read python) |
| 19:56:17 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: It is. I should've used the time tested XML <sarcastic></sarcastic> |
| 19:56:47 | mallum | likes python |
| 19:58:54 | andersee | I have no personal argument with python, but I like that CML1 is a lightweight well solution. Look at the flamefests re CML2 on l-k. I don't want to don an asbestos suit to improve busybox. :) |
| 19:59:10 | mallum | heh , ok I unerstand |
| 19:59:17 | andersee | s/well solution/well tested solution/ |
| 20:54:43 | zachh | an airplane crashed into the va medical building in dayton ohio |
| 20:54:45 | zachh | where i live |
| 20:56:02 | AlHazWork | what sort of airplane? |
| 20:56:28 | zachh | they dont know yet |
| 20:56:39 | zachh | big enought to make an atomic clould looking blast |
| 20:56:52 | zachh | they cant fly their with a helicopter because of being grounded |
| 20:56:57 | zachh | but they are driving there now |
| 20:57:12 | zachh | sorry for the misspelling |
| 20:57:19 | AlHazWork | np |
| 20:57:23 | matrix | zacch- when was this? |
| 20:57:38 | zachh | 5-10 mins ago |
| 20:57:40 | matrix | is in nyc |
| 20:57:49 | zachh | i just saw some pictures on the news |
| 20:57:56 | zachh | from the tower cam |
| 21:01:21 | matrix | a missle was just launched in afghanistan |
| 21:01:41 | CosmicPenguin | CNN has it live |
| 21:01:55 | matrix | i'm sorry, this is all off topic, i'm still in shock from this morning |
| 21:02:12 | mallum | this is insane |
| 21:02:51 | zachh | yes indeed |
| 21:10:26 | jacques | missile? |
| 21:13:58 | CosmicPenguin | zachh: Any news on Dayton? |
| 21:14:21 | zachh | they havent said anything yet.... |
| 21:14:34 | zachh | there are sonic booms all around us |
| 21:15:14 | zachh | reports of low flying aircraft above a suburb of dayton |
| 21:16:51 | zachh | i keep you informed, i am kinda scared right now |
| 21:22:05 | jacques | zachh: please do |
| 21:27:22 | zachh | here is the very latest... http://www.activedayton.com/partners/whiotv/news/0911_vacenter.html |
| 21:28:56 | zachh | they dont know too much, still |
| 21:37:10 | CosmicPenguin | It doesn't matter if the plane hit the VA center or not... there should be no planes in the air |
| 21:38:18 | zachh | we live by one of the biggest airforce base in the nation (Wright Patterson) |
| 21:38:36 | zachh | so a bit of traffic make sence |
| 21:38:53 | zachh | things have settled down a bit... |
| 21:54:09 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 22:20:28 | CosmicPenguin | zachh: Good news that crash was a rumor, eh? |
| 22:25:46 | zachh | indeed |
| 22:26:07 | zachh | just sonic booms, people just assumed |
| 22:26:23 | zachh | the smoke plumes turned out to be brush fires |
| 22:26:49 | CosmicPenguin | Well, for tonght at least, if you see a plane it had better be military |
| 22:27:10 | zachh | indeed |
| 22:27:21 | zachh | at least I hope they are... |
| 22:36:35 | jacques | zachh: im glad everything's ok |
| 23:14:57 | CosmicPenguin | Bye all...... |